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2008-05-11 12:39 < Anthere3> for legal reasons, the board members WILL NOT edit themselves
2008-05-11 12:39 < White_Cat> Jimbo deleted the Wikipetan-lolicon ilustration not based on policy
2008-05-11 12:39 < SteveCrossin> is that /the/ anthere?
2008-05-11 12:39 < Anthere3> he should not have
2008-05-11 12:39 < Anthere3> that's your responsibility to make us obey the rules if necessary
2008-05-11 12:39 < Fire> Yes, Steve.
2008-05-11 12:39 < SteveCrossin> :o
2008-05-11 12:40 < White_Cat> Anthere3 you want me to wheel war with jimbo :D
2008-05-11 12:40 < Anthere3> err, I am on the wikimedia channel, that's not really surprising Steve....
2008-05-11 12:40 < SteveCrossin> White_Cat, desyssoped
2008-05-11 12:40 < SteveCrossin> ;)
2008-05-11 12:40 < Anthere3> well, no, not a good idea
2008-05-11 12:40 < White_Cat> oh I cannot be desysoped in commons
2008-05-11 12:40 < Anthere3> but you should not just profess that board members are beyond rules
2008-05-11 12:40 < Anthere3> some people might believe it ;-)
2008-05-11 12:40 < White_Cat> Anthere3 I talked to him about it
2008-05-11 12:41 < White_Cat> he started to get irritated so I walked away
2008-05-11 12:41 < Anthere3> and what did he say ?
2008-05-11 12:41 < Anthere3> see
2008-05-11 12:41 < Anthere3> people have the power you let them have
2008-05-11 12:41 * SteveCrossin thinks WP:ANOT#IMMUNE applies to everyone with "power"
2008-05-11 12:41 < Anthere3> if I do something wrong and you let me do, I'll do it again
2008-05-11 12:41 < Anthere3> arggg
2008-05-11 12:42 < Anthere3> I just go moderated on foundation list
2008-05-11 12:42 < Anthere3> ick
2008-05-11 12:42 < Fire> hmm?
2008-05-11 12:42 < White_Cat> Anthere3 you are talking to me here
2008-05-11 12:42 < Anthere3> wrong email address
2008-05-11 12:42 * Anthere3 goes send again
2008-05-11 12:42 < White_Cat> I do not have rouge points at all
2008-05-11 12:42 < Ljlego> somehow, this conversation seems better discussed privately
2008-05-11 12:42 < SteveCrossin> oh Anthere3, that reminds me, I had to ask you something some time back
2008-05-11 12:43 < SteveCrossin> someone said to ask you
2008-05-11 12:43 < Anthere3> okay
2008-05-11 12:43 < SteveCrossin> can i in a PM?
2008-05-11 12:43 < Anthere3> but quickly, I have to go take care of one kid
2008-05-11 12:43 < Anthere3> sure
2008-05-11 12:43 < Anthere3> why so Ljlego ?
2008-05-11 12:46 < Ljlego> it just seems rather two-sided
2008-05-11 12:46 < Ljlego> and no one in the channel could really have much to say regarding the issue
2008-05-11 12:46 < Ljlego> since it's a personal disagreement between the two of you
2008-05-11 12:47 < effeietsanders> Ljlego: I disagree
2008-05-11 12:47 < effeietsanders> it is a rather interesting discussion :)
2008-05-11 12:48 * Fire acks effeietsanders.
2008-05-11 12:48 < effeietsanders> well, or it could be :P
2008-05-11 12:48 < Ljlego> heh
2008-05-11 12:54 < effeietsanders> Anthere3: with "E-mail Mike" you refer to an internal email, right?
2008-05-11 12:54 < effeietsanders> ie, I did not miss something?
2008-05-11 12:55 < cimon> hi, any one here from the board of trustees adminstration group?
2008-05-11 12:55 < Ljlego> I am
2008-05-11 12:55 < Ljlego> not
2008-05-11 12:55 < cimon> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2008/Candidates/en
2008-05-11 12:56 < effeietsanders> cimon: you mean the election committee?
2008-05-11 12:56 < cimon> "The election has not begun. Votes will not be accepted." - isn't that incorrect?
2008-05-11 12:56 < cimon> ah, no it isn't
2008-05-11 12:56 < cimon> votes aren
2008-05-11 12:56 < cimon> 't
2008-05-11 12:56 < cimon> candidacies are...
2008-05-11 12:56 < cimon> sily me
2008-05-11 12:56 < cimon> how can I be so dense
2008-05-11 12:57 < cimon> (don't answer)
2008-05-11 12:58 * Fire deletes the few works he was typing.
2008-05-11 12:58 < Fire> words*
2008-05-11 14:15 < Ljlego> quack
2008-05-11 14:16 * kibble didn't know Ljlego was a duck
2008-05-11 14:16 < Ljlego> that's wh you're you and I'm a duck
2008-05-11 14:17 * wpedzich|away checkws when the duck season starts and runs off for his rifle with a laser scope
2008-05-11 14:17 < Ljlego> eek
2008-05-11 14:17 < Ljlego> wabbit season!
2008-05-11 14:17 < kibble> heheh
2008-05-11 14:17 < wpedzich|away> duck season!
2008-05-11 14:17 < kibble> Ljlego, quick! hide while wpedzich is |away
2008-05-11 14:18 < kibble> wpedzich|Elmer, like the glue?
2008-05-11 14:18 < wpedzich|Elmer> What glue?
2008-05-11 14:18 < kibble> Elmer's glue :P
2008-05-11 14:19 * wpedzich|Elmer does not remember that one
2008-05-11 14:19 < Lj|Wabbit> feh
2008-05-11 14:19 < kibble> wpedzich|Elmer, what does the |Elmer mean?
2008-05-11 14:20 < wpedzich|Elmer> Elmer Fudd,
2008-05-11 14:20 < Lj|Wabbit> Elmer Fudd
2008-05-11 14:20 < wpedzich|Elmer> Looney Tunes
2008-05-11 14:20 < Lj|Wabbit> I mean eek
2008-05-11 14:20 < kibble> O_O
2008-05-11 14:21 < Fire> Do the *rc.wikipedia channels still exist somewhere?
2008-05-11 14:21 < wpedzich|Elmer> Lj|Wabbit: wabbit season!
2008-05-11 14:21 < Ljlego> I agree
2008-05-11 14:21 < Ljlego> kill the wabbit
2008-05-11 14:22 < kibble> Fire, irc.wikimedia.org
2008-05-11 14:23 < Fire> wb anth
2008-05-11 14:23 < wpedzich|away> Fire!!!
2008-05-11 14:23 < Ljlego> oi
2008-05-11 14:23 < Fire> wpedzich|away: ?
2008-05-11 14:23 < wpedzich|away> Nuffin'
2008-05-11 14:23 < White_Cat> hello Anthere3
2008-05-11 14:23 < Shanel> Clearly he started a fire.
2008-05-11 14:23 * wpedzich|away runs off to put his son to bed
2008-05-11 14:23 < Ljlego> WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE
2008-05-11 14:24 < Ljlego> IT WAS ALWAYS BURNING SINCE THE WORLD'S BEEN TURNING
2008-05-11 14:24 < Ljlego> etc
2008-05-11 14:24 * White_Cat hands wpedzich|away a tranquliser
2008-05-11 14:24 < Shanel> Babypedzich is soooo cute.
2008-05-11 14:24 < kibble> heh
2008-05-11 14:24 < wpedzich|away> Spontaneous combustion? ;)
2008-05-11 14:24 * Shanel melts.
2008-05-11 14:24 < White_Cat> Shanel
2008-05-11 14:24 < Shanel> White_Cat
2008-05-11 14:24 < White_Cat> you have a msg in #wikimedia-stewards
2008-05-11 14:25 < White_Cat> http://lb.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benotzer_Diskussioun:Cornischong&oldid=451292#Rename_of_Cool_Cat_to_White_Cat
2008-05-11 14:25 < White_Cat> Shanel I am still waiting for that username rename
2008-05-11 14:26 < Shanel> White_Cat: If he's not gonna do it, there is not much I can do. He's not inactive.
2008-05-11 14:26 < White_Cat> he has openly insulted me
2008-05-11 14:26 < Ljlego> what'd he say?
2008-05-11 14:26 < Ljlego> "White_Cat, you black"?
2008-05-11 14:27 < White_Cat> Shanel what use does he have
2008-05-11 14:27 < White_Cat> really
2008-05-11 14:27 < White_Cat> http://lb.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial%3ALogbicher&type=renameuser&user=Cornischong&page=&year=&month=-1
2008-05-11 14:27 < White_Cat> no username renames ever
2008-05-11 14:27 < DragonFire1024> 560 Women arrested in Tibet
2008-05-11 14:28 < White_Cat> http://lb.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial%3ALogbicher&type=rights&user=Cornischong&page=&year=&month=-1
2008-05-11 14:28 < White_Cat> only two user rights granting
2008-05-11 14:29 < Shanel> It's a small(er) wiki. Even so, as long as he's still active and contributing, I can't do anything.
2008-05-11 14:29 < White_Cat> http://lb.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial%3ALogbicher&type=makebot&user=Cornischong&page=&year=&month=-1
2008-05-11 14:29 < White_Cat> 28 bot flag granting
2008-05-11 14:29 < White_Cat> and that is since 20:39, 10 July 2006
2008-05-11 14:29 < White_Cat> his entire use of bcrat tools is merely 30 times
2008-05-11 14:29 < White_Cat> he has never renamed a user
2008-05-11 14:29 < White_Cat> ever
2008-05-11 14:30 < White_Cat> Shanel you are telling me I cannot claim proper attribution for my work?
2008-05-11 14:30 < Shanel> That doesn't mean anything. You don't know why he hasn't.
2008-05-11 14:31 < White_Cat> Shanel I was told he is a non-cooperative person
2008-05-11 14:31 < White_Cat> by a few members of the community
2008-05-11 14:31 < White_Cat> Shanel he is unloved
2008-05-11 14:33 < White_Cat> "he chance of survival of this Wikipedia with a very restricted number of "active" users simply doesn't allow us to deal with playful harlequinades from people who mistake an encyclopaedia for a nursery."
2008-05-11 14:34 < White_Cat> thats the attitude we expect our bcrats?
2008-05-11 14:34 < White_Cat> and thats "With all due respect" mind you
2008-05-11 14:34 < White_Cat> if he decides to get genuenly incivil I dont know how low he would get
2008-05-11 14:43 < White_Cat> Anthere3 what do you reccomend I do with such a case?
2008-05-11 17:11 < SteveCrossin> O_O
2008-05-11 18:10 < geimfyglid> Majorly: do You have a minute please?
2008-05-11 18:14 < geimfyglid> crat on meta?
2008-05-11 18:15 * kibble waves geimfyglid
2008-05-11 18:17 < James_F> Casey> Oy. You're a Bureaucrat on meta as well as everything else?
2008-05-11 18:17 < kibble> yeah :P
2008-05-11 18:17 * James_F sighs.
2008-05-11 18:17 < James_F> Priv. queen. ;-)
2008-05-11 18:17 < kibble> lol
2008-05-11 18:17 < Soxred93> I'm a crat nowhere
2008-05-11 18:17 < kibble> James_F, I could say the same about you, crat on wm2008 wiki :P
2008-05-11 18:18 < James_F> Yeah yeah.
2008-05-11 18:18 < James_F> It's traditional by now. :-)
2008-05-11 18:18 < kibble> James_F, you don't need rfa on meta for crat now.. you can just request it if you've been a sysop for >3 months
2008-05-11 18:18 < James_F> Really?
2008-05-11 18:18 < James_F> Well, I don't really see why I would need it.
2008-05-11 18:18 < kibble> yeah, you might not need it :P
2008-05-11 18:19 < James_F> And the meta community can be pretty manic about foolish activity requirements.
2008-05-11 18:19 < James_F> No real point trying to get it only to have it taken away in a month. :-)
2008-05-11 18:19 < kibble> :-)
2008-05-11 18:19 * Rjd0060 waves to James_F
2008-05-11 18:19 < James_F> Heya.
2008-05-11 18:19 < kibble> oh, and we can remove sysop/crat now too, in addition to bot :P
2008-05-11 18:20 < kibble> without having to go through the stewards... I guess a good reason for that is meta is a like a steward "home-project"
2008-05-11 18:20 < James_F> Yes.
2008-05-11 18:21 < Majorly> geimfyglid, do you still need me
2008-05-11 18:21 < Majorly> James_F, he doesn't have checkuser, oversight or steward
2008-05-11 18:22 < James_F> Majorly> Yet. And only for cause of age. Give him a few years. :_)
2008-05-11 18:22 < kibble> :P
2008-05-11 18:22 * kibble stabs James_F
2008-05-11 18:22 * James_F grins.
2008-05-11 18:22 < Majorly> well he'll run for board when he can, methinks
2008-05-11 18:22 < James_F> That too.
2008-05-11 18:22 < Majorly> geimfyglid, Oh I think I see
2008-05-11 18:22 < James_F> But of course there's a danger of "crossing the streams".
2008-05-11 18:23 < geimfyglid> Majorly: thanks, kibble helped me
2008-05-11 18:23 * James_F wonders idly if any of MediaWiki still relies on globals.
2008-05-11 18:23 < Majorly> I protected her user page and talk page
2008-05-11 18:24 < kibble> James_F, hmm?
2008-05-11 18:24 < James_F> Casey> Globals are being removed from the next version of PHP, along with a few other changes.
2008-05-11 18:24 < kibble> what do you mean by globals?
2008-05-11 18:25 < flyingparchment> register_globals is being removed. globals certainly aren't
2008-05-11 18:25 < James_F> Casey> Variables which are globally available to all scripts rather than specific scope.
2008-05-11 18:25 < flyingparchment> and mediawiki hasn't needed register_Globals since before 1.2
2008-05-11 18:25 < kibble> oic
2008-05-11 18:26 < kibble> thank you flying p
2008-05-11 18:27 < James_F> flyingparchment> I've been away from MW for far too long, evidently. :-)
2008-05-11 18:29 < James_F> Casey> Hmm. Actually, given that it would let me help out with SUL stuff...
2008-05-11 18:34 * Majorly thinks geimfyglid should be a bcrat
2008-05-11 18:35 < geimfyglid> I think there are enough crats now on Meta :)
2008-05-11 18:35 < Majorly> oh jeez
2008-05-11 18:35 < Majorly> Anonymous Dissident beat me and kibble to it
2008-05-11 18:35 < geimfyglid> :D
2008-05-11 18:35 < kibble> yeah
2008-05-11 18:36 < kibble> Majorly, I have no idea how he managed that
2008-05-11 18:36 < Majorly> geimfyglid, well it would save having to ask a meta bcrat
2008-05-11 18:37 < Majorly> you can easily do it yourself
2008-05-11 18:37 < geimfyglid> I hope this won't happen so soon again :'(
2008-05-11 19:51 < Majorly> kibble, DerHexer knows Latin better than you!
2008-05-11 19:51 < DerHexer> xD
2008-05-11 19:51 < DerHexer> yeah, I've vandalized his page
2008-05-11 19:52 < DerHexer> well, good night, Major Ly!
2008-05-11 19:52 < Majorly> aw
2008-05-11 21:02 < Ljlego> buona sera
2008-05-11 22:08 < Ljlego> WHY IS THIS CHANNEL SO BORING?
2008-05-11 22:09 < Fire> We try to avoid you.
2008-05-11 22:10 < Ljlego> fiar enough
2008-05-11 22:10 < Ljlego> *fair
2008-05-11 22:20 < Ljlego> Coco Shanel
2008-05-11 22:21 < Shanel> :D
2008-05-11 22:52 < SteveCrossin> [[m:BASH]]
2008-05-11 22:52 < unilinky> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/m:BASH
2008-05-12 03:53 < |404NoTFounD|> hello?
2008-05-12 03:53 < Fire> Hi
2008-05-12 03:56 < |404NoTFounD|> Fire: where would i go about requesting a new project?
2008-05-12 03:59 < Fire> Depends. First link I'd give would be this one: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_project
2008-05-12 04:01 < |404NoTFounD|> any faster way?
2008-05-12 04:03 < Fire> Depends of what you need. Any special project, or just wiktionary/books/.../ in your language?
2008-05-12 04:03 < |404NoTFounD|> Special
2008-05-12 04:06 < Fire> Then I guess you'd need to request it on the link I gave you.
2008-05-12 04:07 < |404NoTFounD|> aww
2008-05-12 04:07 < Fire> Just being curious: What's you idea?
2008-05-12 04:07 < |404NoTFounD|> Wikigames.
2008-05-12 04:09 < |404NoTFounD|> what do you think Fire?
2008-05-12 04:09 < SteveCrossin> erm
2008-05-12 04:09 < SteveCrossin> as WMF?
2008-05-12 04:09 < |404NoTFounD|> WMF?
2008-05-12 04:10 < Fire> Wikimedia Foundation
2008-05-12 04:10 < |404NoTFounD|> ah
2008-05-12 04:10 < Fire> 404NotFound: What do you imagine as content?
2008-05-12 04:10 < |404NoTFounD|> Games: EVERY Game
2008-05-12 04:11 < Fire> 404NoTFounD: Read that: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_project_policy
2008-05-12 04:13 < Fire> 404: You really think that there's a need? I mean.. You could also do WikiMP3Players (for EVERY MP3Player) aswell as WikiSushi (for EVERY Sushi)...
2008-05-12 04:14 < |404NoTFounD|> ...
2008-05-12 04:14 < |404NoTFounD|> but an archive of all games
2008-05-12 04:14 < |404NoTFounD|> flash/console/pc/dos/mac/etc...
2008-05-12 04:15 < Fire> Well.. Request it.. And see if people agree.
2008-05-12 04:17 < |404NoTFounD|> erm
2008-05-12 04:19 < |404NoTFounD|> Fier: could yyou help me?
2008-05-12 04:20 < Fire> How can I help you ?
2008-05-12 04:22 < |404NoTFounD|> Set this proposal up
2008-05-12 04:23 < Fire> pm me
2008-05-12 04:25 * eiaway thinks wikia would be a better place for that
2008-05-12 04:25 < eiaway> and it would be much faster to get it if approved anyway :)
2008-05-12 05:15 * soufron hello
2008-05-12 05:17 * Warpath hello too
2008-05-12 06:00 < Borbus> Hi, I have a question about Commons? If this the right channel?
2008-05-12 06:00 < flyingparchment> #wikimedia-commmons might be better
2008-05-12 06:00 < Borbus> Thanks
2008-05-12 06:43 < hardertodrink> helllo
2008-05-12 06:46 < hardertodrink> hi amidaniel
2008-05-12 06:46 < hardertodrink> lol at my skool
2008-05-12 06:46 < hardertodrink> they had a handout
2008-05-12 06:46 < hardertodrink> for a project
2008-05-12 06:46 < hardertodrink> "using wikpaedia"
2008-05-12 06:47 < hardertodrink> it was spelt like that numerous times over the sheet
2008-05-12 06:47 < hardertodrink> "wikpaedia"
2008-05-12 07:12 < hardertodrink> BOY its QUIET in here
2008-05-12 07:29 < Submarine> Anthere3, http://david.monniaux.free.fr/dotclear/index.php/2008/05/12/189-the-erik-moller-case-and-freedom-of-speech
2008-05-12 09:06 < Submarine> howdie
2008-05-12 09:06 < Submarine> is there a Brit or an American awake?
2008-05-12 09:32 < brown_cat> Submarine: an aussie?
2008-05-12 09:33 < Submarine> brown_cat, Thanks but I have my answer.
2008-05-12 09:33 * brown_cat douses Submarine with holy water
2008-05-12 14:44 < Submarine> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=-kOGNTl7eyE
2008-05-12 14:44 < Submarine> if you can understand French this is excellent
2008-05-12 17:27 < Ten98> hi
2008-05-12 17:28 < Ten98> is it true that Wikipedia is run by a cabal of transexuals, jews, furries and transexual jew furries?
2008-05-12 17:28 < mark> would you expect anything less?
2008-05-12 17:29 < Ten98> hehe
2008-05-12 17:29 < Ten98> I was looking at this pic of a woman that was once a man
2008-05-12 17:29 < Ten98> called Kelly somethgin
2008-05-12 17:29 < Ten98> he/she seemed pretty scary
2008-05-12 17:29 < Ten98> and then something called a "Slimvirgin"
2008-05-12 17:29 < Ten98> seems like the admins have some pretty unusual personal lives
2008-05-12 17:30 < Ten98> and theres quite a lot on there about animal sex too
2008-05-12 17:32 < Rjd0060> Ten98: Something we can help you with?
2008-05-12 17:33 < smoddy> Rjd0060: if you think he's here to be productive, I suggest you do a /whois on him
2008-05-12 17:34 < Ten98> hi
2008-05-12 17:35 < kibble> smoddy, good point
2008-05-12 17:36 < mark> it's much better to bore them to death
2008-05-12 17:38 < Rjd0060> There is no reason for us to deal with that.
2008-05-12 17:40 < Rjd0060> And his PM to me suggests that banning was a good idea. :)
2008-05-12 17:42 < Majorly> lol
2008-05-12 17:42 < Majorly> what did he say
2008-05-12 17:42 < kibble> hehe
2008-05-12 17:42 < Fire> You can imagine, kibble, I guess.
2008-05-12 17:42 < Rjd0060> He was going on about the same thing he was saying here.
2008-05-12 17:43 < Rjd0060> He asked if I'm I a jew transexual or into animal sex
2008-05-12 17:43 < Rjd0060> And no to all of the above, btw
2008-05-12 17:44 < Rjd0060> Especially the latter two.
2008-05-12 17:45 < kibble> Rjd0060, I guess we have to desysop you then
2008-05-12 17:45 < Rjd0060> I guess so ;)
2008-05-12 17:46 < Rjd0060> Shanel: Please remove my admin flag.
2008-05-12 17:46 < Rjd0060> Shanel: I'm kidding actually. :)
2008-05-12 17:47 < Majorly> you have to be careful
2008-05-12 17:47 < Rjd0060> Majorly: What about?
2008-05-12 17:47 < Fire> hi anth, Chanel
2008-05-12 17:47 < Majorly> about everything
2008-05-12 17:48 < MrZ-man> especially having sex with things that have sharp claws
2008-05-12 17:49 < Majorly> that especially
2008-05-12 17:49 * Majorly wonders why trolls are obsessed with jews
2008-05-12 17:49 < Rjd0060> He is in -ops now
2008-05-12 17:49 < Majorly> yes, you were a little harsh
2008-05-12 17:50 < Rjd0060> He was banned from there to. Guess I wasn't
2008-05-12 17:51 < Majorly> (I was kidding)
2008-05-12 17:51 < Rjd0060> Majorly: Oh, sorry. I really didn't think you were.
2008-05-12 17:51 < Majorly> getting banned from the ops channel really means you're a troll
2008-05-12 18:58 * kibble tells brion that http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/ could use a redirect to /wiki/ instead of that blank page
2008-05-12 18:58 * kibble thanks/huggles him for setting up the wiki though
2008-05-12 18:58 < brion> reload pls
2008-05-12 18:58 < brion> [cache]
2008-05-12 18:59 < kibble> k
2008-05-12 18:59 < kibble> \o/
2008-05-12 18:59 * kibble huggles brion again
2008-05-12 18:59 < Majorly> I do agree, he's very huggly
2008-05-12 19:03 < Shanel> And briony.
2008-05-12 19:04 < Majorly> yes, that too
2008-05-12 20:24 < Ljlego> hai
2008-05-12 23:20 < Fire> hi
2008-05-12 23:33 < DragonFire_aw> all I can do is laugh
2008-05-12 23:34 < Fire> What' up?
2008-05-12 23:34 * Rjd0060 wonders what DragonFire_aw is laughing at
2008-05-12 23:34 < Fire> hi rjd :)
2008-05-12 23:34 < Rjd0060> Hi
2008-05-12 23:34 < DragonFire_aw> many things :)
2008-05-12 23:46 < DragonFire_aw> Bauer sued WMF 3 times
2008-05-12 23:46 < DragonFire_aw> well 2 others, including this recent, 3 times
2008-05-13 01:16 < mnemonic1> hi, folks
2008-05-13 01:21 < dungodung> hai
2008-05-13 01:30 < cimon> Hi, Mike.
2008-05-13 01:31 < cimon> mnemonic1: I was just saying the past week, that I wonder what Tom Maddox thinks of wikipedia, if he knows it exists.
2008-05-13 01:32 < mnemonic1> i'm sure tom knows about wikipedia, cimon
2008-05-13 01:32 < mnemonic1> tom was in canada for a while -- i don't know where he is now
2008-05-13 01:35 < cimon> The english language wikimedia mailing lists (including foundation-l) could do with a James D. Nicoll. David Gerard used to fulfill that role for quite a while, but it seems his reserves of patience have been somewhat depleted, what with getting a child.
2008-05-13 01:44 < Dmcsleep> "Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this software and database and its documentation for any purpose and without fee or royalty is hereby granted, provided that...[you don't use the name of Princeton to advertise]" http://wordnet.princeton.edu/license
2008-05-13 01:44 < Dmcsleep> The WordNet license actually looks like it could be made compatible with GFDL. It has the same basic purpose.
2008-05-13 01:46 < Dmcsleep> Is there anyway we could try to be able to use their work? Would they have to dual-license or something like that?
2008-05-13 01:47 < Shanel> Let's ask mnemonic1 :P
2008-05-13 01:48 < mnemonic1> sorry, ask me what?
2008-05-13 01:48 < Shanel> mnemonic1: See Dmcsleep's question above.
2008-05-13 01:48 < Dmcsleep> ;-)
2008-05-13 01:49 < mnemonic1> looks like it's freely licensed for any use, only you can't use "Princeton(TM)"
2008-05-13 01:49 < Dmcsleep> It's something we've discussed with Wiktionary before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordNet is a major free lexicon database.
2008-05-13 01:49 < Pathoschild> Dmcsleep: Well, that clause is fine if the work doesn't include the name of Princeton.
2008-05-13 01:50 < Shanel> Pathoschild: Quiet, non-lawyer.
2008-05-13 01:50 < Pathoschild> :O
2008-05-13 01:50 < Dmcsleep> Well, does this mean it is compatible?
2008-05-13 01:50 < Shanel> And you get back to your homework.
2008-05-13 01:50 < mnemonic1> i think that if you combine it with GFDL stuff, the result is more GFDL stuff
2008-05-13 01:50 < Pathoschild> Dmcsleep: Yes, for all works that don't contain the name "Princeton". For works that do, it's incompatible.
2008-05-13 01:50 < mnemonic1> but it's not strong copyleft
2008-05-13 01:51 < Dmcsleep> "provided that you agree to comply with the following copyright notice and statements, including the disclaimer, and that the same appear on ALL copies of the software, database and documentation, including modifications" implies that all derivatives have to be licensed under the WordNet license too, right?
2008-05-13 01:52 < mnemonic1> oh, i didn't see that -- sorry, should have clicked on the link
2008-05-13 01:52 < mnemonic1> in that case, it is strong copyleft as well
2008-05-13 01:53 < mnemonic1> so it could be combined with another freely licensed work
2008-05-13 01:53 < mnemonic1> but not locked up
2008-05-13 01:53 < Pathoschild> Hmm... Well, a technical problem is their requirement that "you agree to comply with the following copyright notice and statements, including the disclaimer, and that the same appear on ALL copies of the software, database and documentation, including modifications that you make for internal use or for distribution."
2008-05-13 01:53 < Pathoschild> We can do that on our own sites, but our "Cite the authors" links cites us, not them.
2008-05-13 01:53 < mnemonic1> "comply with"
2008-05-13 01:54 < mnemonic1> i would like to know more about the intentions of the person who crafted the wordnet license
2008-05-13 01:55 < Dmcsleep> Am I reading this right? You have to 1) comply with the copyright notice yourself, and then 2) include it with the derivative. Is that saying you have to license your under it or not?
2008-05-13 01:55 < Dmcsleep> *yours
2008-05-13 01:56 < Pathoschild> Yep.
2008-05-13 01:56 < Shanel> Yes what?
2008-05-13 01:56 < mnemonic1> i think it's a little ambiguous, actually
2008-05-13 01:57 < mnemonic1> i think you could meet the material terms of the license under GFDL or CC-BY-SA
2008-05-13 01:57 < Shanel> Hmph.
2008-05-13 01:57 < Shanel> Hmph I say.
2008-05-13 01:58 < Dmcsleep> As far as I'm aware, the WordNet people intend it to be completely free, though it seems odd to me that they use this unique license, instead of a common one.
2008-05-13 01:59 < mnemonic1> i think they didn't like GFDL and aimed for something they thought would be less onerous but would have the same effect
2008-05-13 01:59 < Dmcsleep> One interesting note is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCIDE is a derivative dictionary, a composite of WordNet and old PD dictionaries, but it's released under GPL.
2008-05-13 01:59 < mnemonic1> under GPL or GFDL?
2008-05-13 02:00 < Dmcsleep> The WP article says GPL.
2008-05-13 02:00 < Dmcsleep> It's hosted on gnu.org
2008-05-13 02:01 < flyingparchment> trust gnu to take free content and put it under their own restrictive license
2008-05-13 02:02 < flyingparchment> Dmcsleep: the WN license looks similar to BSD or X11... it's not uncommon
2008-05-13 02:03 < Dmcsleep> If we were able to use it, I think that it would quickly be incorporated into several Wiktionaries by bot, so it would be useful...
2008-05-13 02:03 < mnemonic1> the theory is that strong copyleft is the roach motel of licenses -- content checks in, but it can't check out
2008-05-13 02:03 < mnemonic1> i think WN is interoperable with GFDL, to the extent that WN stuff can be migrated into a GFDL project
2008-05-13 02:03 < Shanel> lol
2008-05-13 02:05 < Dmcsleep> mnemonic1: Could I trouble you to write that somewhere so we can post it to the project page before using any of their content? :-)
2008-05-13 02:06 < mnemonic1> well, it's just my impression -- i haven't really studied the issue. i think we'd want to research it a bit before offering a definitive opinion
2008-05-13 02:07 < mnemonic1> send me an email with the query, and i'll make my law clerks research it!
2008-05-13 02:08 < Dmcsleep> Of course. But we want a researched, definitive opinion before going ahead, too. ;-) Sounds like a good idea, I'll email.
2008-05-13 02:10 < mnemonic1> now i must sleep
2008-05-13 02:11 < Dmcsleep> Thanks mnemonic1.
2008-05-13 02:11 < mnemonic1> no problem
2008-05-13 02:11 < mnemonic1> good night
2008-05-13 03:43 * soufron hello
2008-05-13 03:44 * Gambit hello
2008-05-13 03:44 * wpedzich|away hello
2008-05-13 03:48 * fajro is away: Gone away for now.
2008-05-13 06:11 < Fire> Can someone PM me? I need to test something.
2008-05-13 06:12 < Pyb> ok
2008-05-13 10:44 < Cincy> Hi All Anyone have time to help a Newbie
2008-05-13 10:46 < VasilievVV> sure
2008-05-13 10:46 < Cincy> I could use all the help I can get
2008-05-13 10:47 < Cincy> What I was wondering if there was a way to load the mysql database and then create pages directly from the code
2008-05-13 10:48 < Cincy> the front end is slow and I need a lot of pages
2008-05-13 10:48 < VasilievVV> /join #mediawiki ?
2008-05-13 10:48 < Cincy> ?
2008-05-13 10:48 < Cincy> arent I there?
2008-05-13 10:48 < Cincy> oh wait
2008-05-13 10:49 < Cincy> Im just dislexic this morning
2008-05-13 11:06 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-05-13 16:00 < kibble> Anthere3, can you see my message to you on your foundationwiki talk?
2008-05-13 16:01 < Anthere3> I'll check
2008-05-13 16:03 < kibble> if I dont' make sense, feel free to ask me for a clarification here :P
2008-05-13 16:25 * kibble wonders if Anthere3 checked :P
2008-05-13 16:30 < DragonFire1024> database is locked
2008-05-13 16:30 < Microchip08> Anyone know when simple.wikipedia.org will be unlocked?
2008-05-13 16:30 < DragonFire1024> brion: are you changing our passwords? :P
2008-05-13 16:30 < VasilievVV> When sysadmins will fix all bugs
2008-05-13 16:31 < spacebird> _all_ bugs?
2008-05-13 16:31 < Microchip08> Any timescale?
2008-05-13 16:32 < DragonFire1024> yeah we have news to write
2008-05-13 16:32 < DragonFire1024> i think
2008-05-13 16:34 < kibble> https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Server_admin_log
2008-05-13 16:34 < kibble> "20:00ish jeluf, brion: replication is broken on s3; corrupted binlog. investigating"
2008-05-13 16:34 < kibble> that's when it was done, not when it'll be fixed ;-)
2008-05-13 16:36 < JeLuF> Please be patient. There are major problems with data consistency and it will take us some time to fix this.
2008-05-13 16:37 < Microchip08> Oh.
2008-05-13 16:37 < Microchip08> Aw.
2008-05-13 16:37 < kibble> what did you do?
2008-05-13 16:38 < JeLuF> nothing. It broke on its own!
2008-05-13 16:38 * skenmy eyes JeLuF
2008-05-13 16:38 < Microchip08> Added "s3 database locked - see #wikimedia-tech for info
2008-05-13 16:38 < skenmy> yeaaah, if I had a penny for every time I heard THAT story
2008-05-13 16:39 < kibble> JeLuF, lol, I meant Microchip08 :P
2008-05-13 16:40 < kibble> too long, being truncated
2008-05-13 16:40 * kibble fixes
2008-05-13 16:40 < kibble> :-D
2008-05-13 17:46 < DragonFire1024> so godwin bailed on the Panel on Wikipedia and ethics
2008-05-13 17:46 < Fire> hey
2008-05-13 17:47 < DragonFire1024> as a speaker
2008-05-13 17:47 < DragonFire1024> and
2008-05-13 17:47 < DragonFire1024> no one is replacing him...so No WMF representation...
2008-05-13 17:48 < brion> so.... <troll>wikipedia has no ethics!</troll>
2008-05-13 17:48 < DragonFire1024> We wanted to alert you to a change in the event. Mike Godwin, General Counsel of Wikimedia, was scheduled to participate in the panel, "The World that Wikipedia Made," on May 15. Last week, Mr. Godwin informed us that he would not participate, and subsequent discussions with Wikimedia Foundation indicated that they would not designate a replacement speaker.
2008-05-13 17:49 < Shanel> Of course, what with brion rampaging through cities and whatnot.
2008-05-13 17:49 < Warpath> :O
2008-05-13 17:49 < Anthere3> where did you read that DragonFire ?
2008-05-13 17:50 * Warpath noms brion for panel \o/
2008-05-13 17:50 < DragonFire1024> Anthere3: just got it in scoop from the organization
2008-05-13 17:50 * brion rarrrr
2008-05-13 17:50 * brion breathes fire and burns down some homes
2008-05-13 17:50 < Warpath> :DD
2008-05-13 17:51 < Fire> o_O
2008-05-13 17:51 < Anthere3> you mean, the conference organization contacted you to tell you that ?
2008-05-13 17:51 < Warpath> brion, aim for Tim's house :DD
2008-05-13 17:52 < DragonFire1024> Anthere3: yes
2008-05-13 17:52 < Anthere3> how odd
2008-05-13 17:52 < Luna-San> I'd pay to see brion's ethics demonstration, at that rate. :o
2008-05-13 17:52 < Anthere3> where is this event occuring ?
2008-05-13 17:52 < Anthere3> yeah, me too :-)
2008-05-13 17:52 < DragonFire1024> Anthere3: http://www.scu.edu/ethics/practicing/focusareas/technology/wikipedia-panel.htm
2008-05-13 17:53 < DragonFire1024> Santa Clara
2008-05-13 17:53 < Anthere3> I hope he had a very good argument
2008-05-13 17:53 < Anthere3> that's never good to cancel a week in advance.
2008-05-13 17:53 < DragonFire1024> yeah
2008-05-13 17:54 < Anthere3> I am surprised that no one heard of this talk
2008-05-13 17:54 < Anthere3> They could have run the request on internal-l at least
2008-05-13 17:59 < DragonFire1024> yeah
2008-05-13 17:59 < DragonFire1024> weird
2008-05-13 18:00 < Warpath> WMF needs an assistant General counsel :P
2008-05-13 18:00 < kibble> we have those
2008-05-13 18:00 < kibble> we call them "legal interns"
2008-05-13 18:01 < Warpath> ooh send them instead :P
2008-05-13 18:01 < kibble> we don't need to send a legal person, do we?
2008-05-13 18:02 < kibble> and they're remote, anyway
2008-05-13 18:02 < Warpath> oh, in Poland you mean ;)
2008-05-13 18:03 < kibble> O_O
2008-05-13 18:38 < kibble> Anthere3, where had Teofilo posted his text?
2008-05-13 18:38 < kibble> I'll link it from the notice as the
2008-05-13 18:38 < kibble> 'workspace'
2008-05-13 18:39 < Anthere3> french pump :-)
2008-05-13 18:39 < Anthere3> the text itself is frm meta
2008-05-13 18:39 < kibble> oh it is? where on Meta?
2008-05-13 18:39 < kibble> oh, I see
2008-05-13 18:39 < kibble> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9solutions
2008-05-13 18:40 < Anthere3> nod
2008-05-13 18:41 < kibble> Anthere3, sorry I didn't assume good faith :P
2008-05-13 18:42 < Anthere3> lol, it was funny
2008-05-13 23:20 < Charitwo> itsa spacebirdy
2008-05-14 01:22 < VasilievVV> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Article_templates
2008-05-14 01:22 < VasilievVV> Any ideas what's that and do we need it?
2008-05-14 01:29 < Fire> Hm, they're all used for the article HI:Wikinews
2008-05-14 01:31 < Fire> VasilievVV, the only thing I do not get is why there are english, arabic _and_ hindi templates.
2008-05-14 01:32 < VasilievVV> Fire: I think i'll transwiki them to incubator and delete then
2008-05-14 01:33 < Fire> Actualy, this page was made for preparation for he hi:wikinews project
2008-05-14 01:33 < Fire> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_language_pre-launch#Hindi
2008-05-14 01:35 < VasilievVV> http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/hi/विकिन्यूज़:लेख_पताकायें
2008-05-14 05:14 < dotKoen> hi! little question, the head of communication is Jay Walsh? So mails to press at wikimedia dot org go to him?
2008-05-14 05:15 < eia> dotKoen: no
2008-05-14 05:15 < eia> well, he is
2008-05-14 05:15 < eia> but emails to press@ go to otrs
2008-05-14 05:15 < eia> and more people have access there
2008-05-14 05:15 < eia> dotKoen: any specific issue at hand?
2008-05-14 05:17 < dotKoen> jep, OTRS
2008-05-14 05:17 < dotKoen> 2008051410014301
2008-05-14 06:19 * soufron hello
2008-05-14 07:57 < NonvocalScream> !admin@meta
2008-05-14 07:57 < Fire> o_O
2008-05-14 07:57 < geimfyglid> NonvocalScream: ?
2008-05-14 07:57 < VasilievVV> NonvocalScream: yes?
2008-05-14 07:58 < NonvocalScream> i pms geimfyglid
2008-05-14 07:58 < NonvocalScream> actually I can ask here
2008-05-14 07:58 < NonvocalScream> the global spam blacklist
2008-05-14 07:58 < NonvocalScream> May I get something removed so I can add it to an article, then readded right back to the bloacklist?
2008-05-14 07:58 < NonvocalScream> blacklist*
2008-05-14 07:58 < snowolf> you could get a local whitelist
2008-05-14 07:59 < NonvocalScream> There is a local whitelist?
2008-05-14 07:59 < geimfyglid> yes
2008-05-14 07:59 < snowolf> sure, don't ask me where is that however XD
2008-05-14 07:59 < NonvocalScream> Well butter my buns and call me a buiscuit
2008-05-14 07:59 < geimfyglid> You could also ask for removal if it is not justified
2008-05-14 07:59 < NonvocalScream> No, it would need to be readded.
2008-05-14 08:00 < geimfyglid> [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]]
2008-05-14 08:01 < NonvocalScream> meh
2008-05-14 08:01 < NonvocalScream> You want to pull it off the global meta one for a sec?
2008-05-14 08:05 < Warpath> O_O
2008-05-14 08:08 < geimfyglid> sorry, but I doubt it, the links added are there for a reason, with a lot of background mostly and this is why unlisting requests should be done on wiki please
2008-05-14 08:09 < DanielB> raise your hands if you like random OTRS statistics
2008-05-14 08:09 < Warpath> o/
2008-05-14 08:09 < DanielB> http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel/Access_groups
2008-05-14 08:12 < DanielB> S-S-S-Spam: http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_accounts
2008-05-14 08:14 < DanielB> crap, was posting this in the wrong channel. sorry :(
2008-05-14 08:14 * DanielB runs back to #wikimedia-otrs
2008-05-14 09:05 < brianmc> Not all legal threats are newsworthy, is this one? http://tinyurl.com/5kch5d
2008-05-14 09:08 < DanielB> omg
2008-05-14 09:08 < DanielB> as if someone nomed that for deletion
2008-05-14 09:08 * DanielB has half a mind to use rogue admin tools.
2008-05-14 09:08 < brianmc> To delete or...?
2008-05-14 09:09 < DanielB> no, to sk.
2008-05-14 09:09 < DanielB> there's no mention of OTRS
2008-05-14 09:09 < DanielB> in the article, and alleged abuse of OTRS goes via the OTRS admins, not Wikinews DR
2008-05-14 09:10 < brianmc> Cirt is very careful
2008-05-14 09:11 < brianmc> Adambro... on the other hand... Ignored advice to go get laid and/or get a blowjob
2008-05-14 09:12 < brianmc> tasteless, I know, but he needs to de-stress
2008-05-14 09:13 < DanielB> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Deletion_requests#Votes
2008-05-14 09:14 < brianmc> Thanks, Adambro has been after me ever since I admitted to checkusering ChurchofScientologyInt
2008-05-14 09:15 < DanielB> gather arbcom around and ban him. that'll be a good enough GTFO message, surely
2008-05-14 09:15 < brianmc> Most of the time he's okay, but like I say... God! does he need laid more often
2008-05-14 09:17 < brianmc> I've even managed to tell him that and he later told me when he was off to the pub where women would be present, so most of the time we get on okay.
2008-05-14 09:18 < DanielB> brianmc, feel free to fill in your details on http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_accounts by the way :)
2008-05-14 09:18 < DanielB> </canvass>
2008-05-14 09:46 * Majorly is already on that page O_O
2008-05-14 09:57 < Majorly> DanielB|Away, how did you make that table?
2008-05-14 10:18 < DanielB|Away> Majorly, a db dump and creative replace using notepad
2008-05-14 10:19 < Majorly> how did you get all the names and queues?
2008-05-14 10:19 < DanielB|Away> Majorly, a database dump
2008-05-14 10:22 < DanielB|Away> Majorly, are you going to fill out your part
2008-05-14 10:22 < Majorly> it is filled
2008-05-14 10:22 < DanielB|Away> not really
2008-05-14 10:22 < DanielB|Away> it doesnt list a home wiki, no babel, etc.
2008-05-14 10:22 < DanielB|Away> but meh
2008-05-14 10:23 < DanielB|Away> ill add your babel from meta
2008-05-14 10:23 < DanielB|Away> dont want to list your email?
2008-05-14 10:24 * DanielB|Away figures not.
2008-05-14 10:24 < Majorly> is it not?
2008-05-14 10:24 < DanielB|Away> not...?
2008-05-14 10:24 < DanielB|Away> i didnt list emails in the table because emails aren't readily apparent from the OTRS interface
2008-05-14 10:25 < DanielB|Away> available*
2008-05-14 10:25 < DanielB|Away> http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_accounts&diff=6891&oldid=6890
2008-05-14 10:27 < Submarine> Anthere3: Tu veux aller causer en juin à Cambridge (UK) ?
2008-05-14 10:28 < mardetanha> any one has access to Wikibooks.org main page?
2008-05-14 10:30 < Majorly> the front portal?
2008-05-14 10:30 < mardetanha> yes
2008-05-14 10:30 < mardetanha> http://www.wikibooks.org/
2008-05-14 10:30 < Majorly> yeah, I do
2008-05-14 10:30 < mardetanha> wikiboos in not in my scope !
2008-05-14 10:31 < mardetanha> find this part please Esperanto • صفحه‌ی اص • Galego 
2008-05-14 10:31 < mardetanha> ‏change ‫ صفحه‌ی اص to صفحه اصلی
2008-05-14 10:32 < Majorly> mardetanha, can you ask on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikibooks.org_template
2008-05-14 10:33 < mardetanha> :) i am on it
2008-05-14 10:35 < mardetanha> can you unprotect it formoment?
2008-05-14 10:35 < Majorly> no
2008-05-14 10:35 < mardetanha> :)
2008-05-14 10:36 < Majorly> just comment on the talk pag
2008-05-14 10:36 < Majorly> page*
2008-05-14 10:37 < mardetanha> done
2008-05-14 10:46 < mardetanha> thanks majorly
2008-05-14 13:38 < VasilievVV> Cool
2008-05-14 13:38 < VasilievVV> Now Russian Wikipedia has almost all cities of Brazil
2008-05-14 13:41 < Shiroi_Neko> VasilievVV yes
2008-05-14 13:41 < Shiroi_Neko> soon we wont need them
2008-05-14 13:42 < VasilievVV> Shiroi_Neko: we need more 6000 articles and we will be in the top-10
2008-05-14 13:42 * VasilievVV looks for his bot to create stubs about numbers
2008-05-14 13:42 < Majorly> lol
2008-05-14 13:43 < Shiroi_Neko> VasilievVV no
2008-05-14 13:43 < Shiroi_Neko> because the current top 10 wiki will start including all cities and towns in the US
2008-05-14 13:43 < VasilievVV> No
2008-05-14 13:43 < VasilievVV> svwiki decided to do radical cleanup
2008-05-14 13:44 * Shiroi_Neko traps VasilievVV in a tachikoma
2008-05-14 13:46 * VasilievVV throws Ghost in the shell at the Shiroi_Neko's head
2008-05-14 13:46 * Shiroi_Neko deflects
2008-05-14 13:46 < Shiroi_Neko> VasilievVV sv wiki needs to change their bot policy
2008-05-14 13:46 < Shiroi_Neko> allowing me to edit
2008-05-14 13:46 < Shiroi_Neko> or else I will cry
2008-05-14 13:47 < Shiroi_Neko> VasilievVV you suffer from a stand alone complex I think
2008-05-14 13:47 < Bspec> i want a cyberbrain :(
2008-05-14 13:47 < Bspec> and a prosthetic body :(
2008-05-14 13:47 < VasilievVV> Shiroi_Neko: nope