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2008-05-20 15:37 < bumm13> landlords never do, generally
2008-05-20 15:37 < bumm13> real estate companies or slumlords own them
2008-05-20 15:37 < bumm13> there's a slumlord in Portland, Oregon that owns properties in my hometown area
2008-05-20 15:37 < bumm13> (of varying quality)
2008-05-20 15:37 < crazybanana> Hmm...
2008-05-20 15:38 < bumm13> it's all about chasing the dollars
2008-05-20 15:38 < crazybanana> :(
2008-05-20 15:38 < crazybanana> Why does the landlord have an economic interest in not fixing stuff?
2008-05-20 15:39 < bumm13> saves money
2008-05-20 15:39 < crazybanana> Shouldn't his job just be to collect rents and make sure that things work?
2008-05-20 15:39 < Shiroi_Neko> bumm13 you were an op here
2008-05-20 15:39 < Shiroi_Neko> I never knew...
2008-05-20 15:39 * Shiroi_Neko kicks bumm hard
2008-05-20 15:45 * bumm13 NP: Powerman 5000 - Nobody's Real (1999)
2008-05-20 16:00 * Pilotguy_aw wonders exactly what he was doing...
2008-05-20 16:01 < The359> fucking everything up
2008-05-20 16:11 < Juliancolton> Anybody from New York City here?
2008-05-20 16:12 < Juliancolton> I'm trying to decide if it's raining too hard down there to drive from upstate to the Yankees game :/
2008-05-20 16:14 < Juliancolton> Meh
2008-05-20 16:14 < nsh> wtf
2008-05-20 16:14 < Mbimmler> impatient
2008-05-20 16:15 < bumm13> yeah :P
2008-05-20 16:15 * bumm13 hates the Yankees anyway
2008-05-20 16:16 < gwern> 'Studies with rodents have shown that high-calorie foods cause a metabolic change that tamps the release of stress hormones like cortisol. '
2008-05-20 16:17 < gwern> 'Humans are not as lucky as monkeys in one way. “Female humans report that they eat high-calorie foods to make themselves feel better when stressed,” Dr. Zellner says, “but they actually don’t feel better after eating them. Instead, because they are restrained eaters, they feel guilt and actually feel worse. Female monkeys don’t have that cognitive baggage.”'
2008-05-20 16:18 < Project2501> http://mimbo.prothemedesign.com/ anyone care to give a opinion on this wordpress theme ;)~
2008-05-20 16:21 < gwern> Project2501: the shading and colors are nice, but somehow I feel a little overwhelmed by text and fonts and fading
2008-05-20 16:22 < quanticle> Wait, what?! Why is the title of my terminal window "Dr. Zellner says,"? And, why does it go back to normal if I switch to another window within screen?
2008-05-20 16:22 * quanticle wonders what irssi is doing, exactly.
2008-05-20 16:22 < bumm13> it's the questions troll, get him!
2008-05-20 16:22 * quanticle runs
2008-05-20 16:23 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-20 16:23 * bumm13 imagines quanticle as the Mattel "running man"
2008-05-20 16:23 < quanticle> Also, if I go to any other channel, the title goes back to normal. I think #wikipedia broke irssi, somehow
2008-05-20 16:24 < quanticle> Granted, I have had it running for the better portion of a week, now.
2008-05-20 16:24 * quanticle brb
2008-05-20 16:27 < quanticle> So I turned off irssi, created a new screen session, and everything went back to nomral.
2008-05-20 16:27 < quanticle> *normal
2008-05-20 16:28 < bumm13> even "minor" errors can cause programs to wig out sometimes
2008-05-20 16:28 < quanticle> As far as minor errors go, though, that's one of the weirder ones I've encountered.
2008-05-20 16:30 < quanticle> Huh. There goes my #wikipedia uptime record, I guess.
2008-05-20 16:31 < quanticle> wb ST47
2008-05-20 16:31 < bumm13> odometer reader!
2008-05-20 16:31 < quanticle> bumm13: What?
2008-05-20 16:31 < bumm13> watching measured numeric values increase :)
2008-05-20 16:32 < bumm13> (or turn over, as in odometers)
2008-05-20 16:32 < bumm13> perhaps a typically-male trait that is amplified via aspergers ;)
2008-05-20 16:32 < Lubaf> [[WP:KILLKILLKILL]]: I see a great need.
2008-05-20 16:33 < quanticle> bumm13: Who says I was actually *watching*?
2008-05-20 16:33 < bumm13> you know what I mean :P
2008-05-20 16:33 < bumm13> regularly checking
2008-05-20 16:33 < bumm13> my dad was very mechanically-inclined
2008-05-20 16:34 < bumm13> and he obsessed over checking his trip mileage on his vehicles :x
2008-05-20 16:34 < quanticle> bumm13: I think a better analogy would be e-peen. I mean, with a phrase like, "I have more uptime than you," do I really need to make it explicit?
2008-05-20 16:34 < bumm13> well, I'm not talking about that particular aspect of things
2008-05-20 16:35 < bumm13> personally, I understand that my computer will never have VAX-level uptimes, so.... ;)
2008-05-20 16:36 < quanticle> Heh. Forget VAX, I want to match OS/360 levels of uptime :)
2008-05-20 16:36 < bumm13> geez, that's ambitious
2008-05-20 16:40 * TheRtHonWeasel_ loves the tax protester arguments article
2008-05-20 16:40 < quanticle> The Right Honorable Weasel, eh?
2008-05-20 16:41 < TheRtHonWeasel_> whatever decision anyone has ever brought up to bolster an argument is killed at the end of the paragraph with "The cited case was neither federal, nor a tax law case."
2008-05-20 16:44 < quanticle> TheRtHonWeasel_: Which article?
2008-05-20 16:45 < TheRtHonWeasel_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_constitutional_arguments
2008-05-20 16:45 < gwern> 'An article interviews the longest-serving inmate in the United States, William Heirens, who has spent nearly 62 years in prison. Heirens was convicted in 1946 of three murders (including one of a 6-year-old girl).'
2008-05-20 16:45 < TheRtHonWeasel_> There'd be longer-term ones, but they all had their asses grilled.
2008-05-20 16:50 < hector> hmmm i need someone's opinion
2008-05-20 16:50 < hector> for the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Of_Virginia - there was a change made to the school colors, but then was reverted
2008-05-20 16:51 < hector> if you look at the history page, you will see what im talking about
2008-05-20 16:51 < hector> my question is, which colors are more appropriate?
2008-05-20 16:51 < gwern> well, that settles it. I've filed my withdrawal request from the Iowa Electronic Markets
2008-05-20 16:51 < gwern> I'll get a check for 38.99 dollars
2008-05-20 16:52 < CrazyChemGuy> Man, I just lost the game.
2008-05-20 16:52 < gwern> starting from an initial account capitalization of 15USD in 2004
2008-05-20 16:52 * gwern is kind of proud
2008-05-20 16:53 < gwern> I won the game once, thanks to xkcd
2008-05-20 16:53 < The359> I barely see a difference, hector
2008-05-20 16:54 < The359> Unless the school gives us a precise color beyond "Orange and Navy Blue"
2008-05-20 16:54 < The359> then it doesn't really matter
2008-05-20 16:54 < The359> it's all going to look different on people's computers anyway
2008-05-20 16:55 < gwern> 'Their outfit, called Stickk, allows you to buy "Commitment Contracts," which require the completion of a specified task that you might otherwise put off (finishing a paper, quitting smoking, losing weight). When you sign the contract, you hand over a sum of money and get it back only if you keep your commitment by a particular date.'
2008-05-20 16:55 < ijustam> can talk pages be tagged for deletion?
2008-05-20 16:55 < The359> not really, ijustam
2008-05-20 16:55 < ijustam> case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Ignudo_02_detail.jpg
2008-05-20 16:55 < gwern> 'Or, if you want some extra motivation, you can have your commitment payment go to an "anti-charity" of your choosing. They cater to all tastes—both Americans United for Life and the Pro-Choice America Foundation are possible recipients.' <-- brilliant
2008-05-20 16:55 < hector> The359: check out http://www.virginia.edu/uvalogo/guidelines.html
2008-05-20 16:55 < gwern> ijustam: they can in rare cicumstances
2008-05-20 16:55 < hector> should those be the colors used?
2008-05-20 16:55 < The359> ok, yes, that can be, ijustam
2008-05-20 16:56 < gwern> pure vandalism, a talk page of a deleted page *
2008-05-20 16:56 < gwern> * where it isn't needed in the future or the author requested deletion of the original, iirc
2008-05-20 16:56 < The359> ok, then I guess go with those
2008-05-20 16:56 < ijustam> "This image talk page does not qualify for speedy deletion! It is the talk page of a Commons image."
2008-05-20 16:56 < The359> They don't specify that they are for just the logo
2008-05-20 16:56 < gwern> 'Employees enrolled in the program decide ahead of time that a portion of future salary increases will be allocated to retirement savings. For example, you might commit 10 percent of your next raise to the savings program, and 20 percent of the one after that, and so on. Since the program isn't asking us to take away money from our present, spendthrift selves, we're more inclined to participate'
2008-05-20 16:56 < gwern> 'But here, finally, procrastination serves as a force for good. Since the opt-out decision is always available but may in fact take a little effort to take care of, why not just do it tomorrow?'
2008-05-20 16:57 < The359> they say "University's unified identity"
2008-05-20 16:57 < The359> which to me, would be the school colors
2008-05-20 16:57 < gwern> ijustam: if the talk page is on commons, how could en delete it?
2008-05-20 16:58 < ijustam> why is the alk page on en?
2008-05-20 16:58 < hector> The359: i ask because someone reverted my edit; is it appropriate to undo that persons undo?
2008-05-20 16:58 < hector> i edited to be in accordance with http://www.virginia.edu/uvalogo/guidelines.html and it was reverted
2008-05-20 16:58 < gwern> '“I drink to make other people interesting,” the theatre critic George Jean Nathan used to say.'
2008-05-20 16:59 < The359> Yes, and you might want to leave them a message
2008-05-20 16:59 < The359> on their talk page
2008-05-20 16:59 < The359> explaining it
2008-05-20 16:59 < ijustam> ah good
2008-05-20 16:59 < The359> Specify that the page says it is for the University universal identity
2008-05-20 16:59 < ijustam> that page was baleeted
2008-05-20 16:59 < The359> Not just for the logo
2008-05-20 16:59 < hector> Ok, cool...just wanted a second opinion
2008-05-20 17:01 < The359> Kennedy - It is uh tumah!
2008-05-20 17:01 < hector> Crap, it isn't even a user..all there is is an IP
2008-05-20 17:01 < The359> that's fine
2008-05-20 17:01 < The359> IPs still have talk pages
2008-05-20 17:04 < Broooooooce> is there a way I can make an image gallery show/hide ?
2008-05-20 17:04 < Sky2042> encase it in a table.
2008-05-20 17:04 < Sky2042> or a template which allows that.
2008-05-20 17:04 * Mike_H cuddles The359
2008-05-20 17:04 < Mike_H> even though he's a cranky bitch
2008-05-20 17:05 < Mike_H> :)
2008-05-20 17:05 < Broooooooce> Sky2042, thanks... I've not worked with those before, is there a page that explains tables you may be able to point me toward?
2008-05-20 17:05 < Sky2042> Broooooooce: Help:Table ?
2008-05-20 17:05 < Sky2042> xD
2008-05-20 17:05 < Broooooooce> ha
2008-05-20 17:07 < Broooooooce> no info on hiding tables on that page
2008-05-20 17:07 < Broooooooce> unfortunately
2008-05-20 17:15 * quanticle just read that 25% of all US corn production is currently going to ethanol
2008-05-20 17:15 < LOUD_CAT> Programming languages are like sewage plants: if the average user becomes aware of them, something's gone wrong.
2008-05-20 17:15 < quanticle> But who uses that ethanol? The vast majority of cars here are still traditional gasoline engines.
2008-05-20 17:15 < LOUD_CAT> -- http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000001048,39419834-6,00.htm
2008-05-20 17:15 * LOUD_CAT LULZ
2008-05-20 17:16 < quanticle> LOUD_CAT: Heh. I saw that too. No thanks, Java, I don't want OpenOffice. In fact, I've already got it installed.
2008-05-20 17:17 * quanticle gets the feeling that #wikipedia is just ships passing in the darkness for most of the day
2008-05-20 17:18 < hector> is it improper for there to be blank space around vector logos? i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Harvard_Wreath_Logo_1.svg
2008-05-20 17:19 < hector> would it be more appropriate for there to be no blank space surrounding the logo?
2008-05-20 17:19 < The359> quanticle
2008-05-20 17:19 < The359> Racing teams
2008-05-20 17:19 < quanticle> The359: Yes?
2008-05-20 17:20 < The359> there are several racing series which use either 100% ethanol exclusively
2008-05-20 17:20 < The359> Or various mixes of ethanol, E10, E85, etc
2008-05-20 17:21 < quanticle> The359: Right, but that'd hardly account for 25% of the US corn crop.
2008-05-20 17:21 < The359> I know
2008-05-20 17:21 * quanticle wonders where all the ethanol is going
2008-05-20 17:21 < The359> into the tractors to cut down the corn? ;)
2008-05-20 17:22 * quanticle wouldn't be surprised
2008-05-20 17:22 < quanticle> Agriculture takes a surprising amount of energy
2008-05-20 17:22 < Sky2042> hector: if yuo can trim the whitespace, d00 it
2008-05-20 17:23 < quanticle> gwern: What kind of account was it?
2008-05-20 17:56 < CrazyChemGuy> hector: the image looks just fine
2008-05-20 17:58 < hector> CrazyChemGuy: it looks fine, but there is unnecessary blank space bordering it
2008-05-20 17:59 < CrazyChemGuy> hector: It seems like the space makes the image show up better in the article, otherwise the borders of the image would touch the borders of the box
2008-05-20 18:00 < hector> it wouldn't touch the borders of the box
2008-05-20 18:00 < hector> the template puts a buffer around the image in the infobox
2008-05-20 18:00 < smithj> is there markup to automatically obfuscate email addresses?
2008-05-20 18:01 < Lucifer_Cat> smithj: yeah
2008-05-20 18:02 < Lucifer_Cat> theyre called underscores and abbreviations
2008-05-20 18:02 < CrazyChemGuy> hector: Well, if the template automatically puts the space there, then I can't see how it would hurt anything to remove the space if it bothers you, but then again I don't see how it would help.
2008-05-20 18:02 < smithj> that isn't helpful
2008-05-20 18:02 < hector> it kills my boredom =p
2008-05-20 18:03 < CrazyChemGuy> smithj: why can't you simply type _NOSPAM_ or somesuch, it would be just as quick as a typing a template?
2008-05-20 18:06 < Lucifer_Cat> Starnestommy
2008-05-20 18:09 < Lucifer_Cat> zomg
2008-05-20 18:10 < Lucifer_Cat> zombie organic mummifying gwern
2008-05-20 18:29 < Leslie_S> sigh, my left leg hurts from all that double clutching
2008-05-20 18:29 < Leslie_S> what a PITA
2008-05-20 18:30 < The359> better quit
2008-05-20 18:36 < jebuonag> Hey folks
2008-05-20 18:36 < jebuonag> Just wanted to let you know I'm logging
2008-05-20 18:40 < The359> hard to log if you're not here
2008-05-20 18:41 * chzz straightens his hair for the posterity of it all
2008-05-20 18:41 < The359> uh
2008-05-20 18:41 < The359> wtf is that?
2008-05-20 18:41 < The359> got, don't do that
2008-05-20 18:42 < got> My bad
2008-05-20 18:42 < The359> yes, your bad
2008-05-20 18:42 < Dendodge> does anyone else have 'server messages'?
2008-05-20 18:43 < The359> that was got, Dendodge
2008-05-20 18:43 < Dendodge> oh
2008-05-20 18:43 < Dendodge> how?
2008-05-20 18:43 < Pilotguy> Dendodge: Better not to ask
2008-05-20 18:43 < The359> he sent a channel notice
2008-05-20 18:43 < Dendodge> how?
2008-05-20 18:43 < Pilotguy> Dendodge: Better not to ask
2008-05-20 18:43 < The359> By...sending a channel notice?
2008-05-20 18:45 < got> :)
2008-05-20 18:45 < Leslie_S> shut the fuck up dipshits
2008-05-20 18:45 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-05-20 18:45 < wimt> Please don't CTCP the whole channel.
2008-05-20 18:45 < got> Ouch
2008-05-20 18:45 < Pilotguy> what wimt said
2008-05-20 18:46 < Pilotguy> You will be removed next time
2008-05-20 18:46 < got> Yes please don't ctcp me,, unless it is something crafty
2008-05-20 18:46 < got> Which I endorse
2008-05-20 18:46 < got> ]:-)
2008-05-20 18:46 * Mike_H cuddles got
2008-05-20 18:47 < got> That was a lil gay ok, let me rephrase that. ;)
2008-05-20 18:47 < Mike_H> :(
2008-05-20 18:47 < got> Yes please don't ctcp me,, unless it is something crafty or non gay.
2008-05-20 18:47 < got> and
2008-05-20 18:47 * Mike_H cuddles Pilotguy
2008-05-20 18:47 < got> ];-)
2008-05-20 18:47 < ollman> there seems to be an alien pubic hair in my gin.
2008-05-20 18:48 < The359> Is ED bored again?
2008-05-20 18:48 < The359> or Uncyc?
2008-05-20 18:48 < got> What kind of crap is going on in here?
2008-05-20 18:48 < got> :P
2008-05-20 18:48 < Leslie_S> sigh, if i have an apartment, with a roommate, and were both on the lease, and my roommate fucks me over and doesnt pay the bills and i get evicted for it, and i sue him and win, how hard will it be to get an apartment on my own later?
2008-05-20 18:49 < Dendodge> Dendodge was booted from #wikipedia by Pilotguy (Pilotguy)
2008-05-20 18:49 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S: That's why you get an apartment with individual leases like what they have around my university ;)
2008-05-20 18:49 * got sets mode: +o got
2008-05-20 18:49 < Leslie_S> individual leases?
2008-05-20 18:50 < Leslie_S> anyway, so now i get to move back in with my dad. lovely.
2008-05-20 18:50 < Pilotguy> yep
2008-05-20 18:50 < Pilotguy> separate leases per person
2008-05-20 18:50 * Leslie_S cries
2008-05-20 18:51 < Pilotguy> Though it's about $500 per month
2008-05-20 18:51 < Leslie_S> see, i cant afford that
2008-05-20 18:51 < Leslie_S> i was paying $540 month TOTAL (265 person) for a 2 bedroom WITH CABLE
2008-05-20 18:51 * Pilotguy doesn't know who can, especially around a college campus
2008-05-20 18:51 < Broooooooce> jesus... reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages makes me want to cry. The sheer volume of new CRAP that gets created is unsettling to say the least when compared with how much trouble it is to clean up or bring up to wp standards...
2008-05-20 18:51 < got> $540 a month!
2008-05-20 18:52 < got> :/
2008-05-20 18:52 < Pilotguy> Broooooooce: heh
2008-05-20 18:52 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy now, im an over the road truck driver now, and ill be making 34 cents a mile in 8 months. that means ill be able to afford my own apartment.
2008-05-20 18:52 < got> Hellfire do you live?
2008-05-20 18:52 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy only problem is that it cuts into my whole saving money up for my sex change thing :(
2008-05-20 18:52 < Pilotguy> what about gas?
2008-05-20 18:52 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy trucks dont use gas.
2008-05-20 18:52 < got> My god, is everyone in here gay? :P
2008-05-20 18:53 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy and im going to be driving a company truck, meaning all i do is drive.
2008-05-20 18:53 < Pilotguy> cool
2008-05-20 18:53 < Leslie_S> they give me a fuel card, i put fuel in the truck and run the card, and they get a bill and they pay it.
2008-05-20 18:53 < got> Gays, raise your hands.
2008-05-20 18:53 < got> :P
2008-05-20 18:53 < Leslie_S> they have toll cards for some tolls, too.
2008-05-20 18:53 < Pilotguy> got: Actually most wikip/medians are :)
2008-05-20 18:53 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy im in truck driving school, paid for by the company, right now.
2008-05-20 18:53 < Broooooooce> it takes a queer eye . . .
2008-05-20 18:54 < Leslie_S> anyway, while i live with my dad, ill only be home for 5 days a month
2008-05-20 18:54 < Leslie_S> so.....it wont be THAT horrible. :(
2008-05-20 18:54 < Pilotguy> Plus you're no longer with wal-mart
2008-05-20 18:54 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy what does walmart have to do with it?
2008-05-20 18:54 < Pilotguy> The fact that this job is better than that one
2008-05-20 18:54 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy "better"...
2008-05-20 18:55 < Pilotguy> yes
2008-05-20 18:55 < got> So, noone comfortable enough to admit they are gay?
2008-05-20 18:55 < Pilotguy> Remember you complained all the time about working at wal-mart
2008-05-20 18:55 < got> ];-)
2008-05-20 18:55 * Broooooooce bi.
2008-05-20 18:55 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy i have to share an 8x8x8 space with someone ive never met before, for a month at a time..
2008-05-20 18:56 < The359> That's called College
2008-05-20 18:56 < Pilotguy> All jobs suck
2008-05-20 18:56 < Leslie_S> that gives me 4x4x4 to myself
2008-05-20 18:56 < Pilotguy> The359: Actually college is more like 10x12 with someone
2008-05-20 18:56 < Pilotguy> And 8x10 solo
2008-05-20 18:56 < Pilotguy> Which is what I have
2008-05-20 18:57 < The359> Whatever
2008-05-20 18:57 < Leslie_S> The good thing is that ill be traveling all over the country
2008-05-20 18:57 < The359> point being sharing a small space with someone you don't know
2008-05-20 18:57 < The359> and that's for 3-4 months!
2008-05-20 18:57 < Leslie_S> And college dorms dont have wheels. :P
2008-05-20 18:57 < Leslie_S> i plan on working for this company for no more than a year
2008-05-20 18:59 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy heh, did you hear about the time when i got sent to the managers office, to help the store manager with a basic microsoft excel function?
2008-05-20 18:59 < Leslie_S> at walmart
2008-05-20 18:59 < Pilotguy> can't remember
2008-05-20 19:07 < Lastsal1> A couple of weeks ago someone was looking for a watchlist RSS feed and i know quite a few people are intereted, read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lastsal/Watchlist_RSS
2008-05-20 19:12 < TheRtHonWeasel_> Wow, Ted Kennedy has malignant brain cancer.
2008-05-20 19:13 < The359> Its not uh tumah
2008-05-20 19:13 < The359> oh, wait, it is
2008-05-20 19:15 < ijustam> BEEP BEEP
2008-05-20 19:15 < ijustam> http://orlando.craigslist.org/car/677390619.html
2008-05-20 19:16 < The359> I've seen other 6-wheel conversions
2008-05-20 19:16 < The359> but not with the Rolls-Royce front end
2008-05-20 19:16 * Mike_H does not live in Orlando :(
2008-05-20 19:16 * Mike_H lives 90 minutes to the west
2008-05-20 19:16 < ijustam> to be honest
2008-05-20 19:16 < ijustam> if i won the lottery
2008-05-20 19:16 < ijustam> id drive the shit out of that
2008-05-20 19:16 < The359> it already drives like shit
2008-05-20 19:16 < ijustam> make myself a public enemy
2008-05-20 19:16 < The359> so you wouldn't have to go far
2008-05-20 19:16 < geniice> ijustam hmmm photos appear to hav been taken by a woman
2008-05-20 19:16 < ijustam> and then drive it off a ramp
2008-05-20 19:16 < ijustam> just for the hell of it
2008-05-20 19:17 < geniice> 33800 miles on th clock
2008-05-20 19:18 < ijustam> it looks nice inside
2008-05-20 19:18 < ijustam> minus all the fiberglass
2008-05-20 19:18 < The359> I like how they seem to have replaced everything else but left the stock GM Aircon unit in the dash
2008-05-20 19:18 < The359> the same one you get in a Suburban
2008-05-20 19:18 < ijustam> those can be difficult to replace, really
2008-05-20 19:18 < ijustam> so much proprietary garbage
2008-05-20 19:18 < ijustam> lots of wiring
2008-05-20 19:19 < ijustam> that hummer is so over the top its fantastic
2008-05-20 19:19 < ijustam> like, there isnt much you can do to make it worse
2008-05-20 19:19 < ijustam> hahaha
2008-05-20 19:19 < ijustam> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/686431398.html
2008-05-20 19:20 < The359> someone's been looking at an Evo too much with those roof fins
2008-05-20 19:20 < ijustam> i love the TV
2008-05-20 19:51 < gwern> 'What is science fiction? It’s a convenient place in the bookstore to put Dune. Other than that, as Theodore Sturgeon said, "Science fiction is what I point at when I talk about science fiction".'
2008-05-20 19:51 < gwern> http://www.daikaijuzine.com/dkz/?p=4
2008-05-20 19:55 < geniice> nyet it's content of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Science_fiction
2008-05-20 19:58 < ST47> >.>
2008-05-20 19:58 < Prostate> HAGGER???
2008-05-20 19:58 < ST47> oshit
2008-05-20 19:58 < Leslie_S> i really wonder how easy itll be to transition and still be a truck driver...
2008-05-20 19:59 * Looooooooong_Cat cuddles Leslie_S
2008-05-20 20:00 < geniice> long cat is short
2008-05-20 20:00 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Hey
2008-05-20 20:01 < Leslie_S> hey ziggy
2008-05-20 20:01 < Ziggy_Sawdust> What dries as it gets wet?
2008-05-20 20:01 < Ziggy_Sawdust> The Holocaust.
2008-05-20 20:01 < Leslie_S> pussy
2008-05-20 20:01 < Leslie_S> thats not funny at all.
2008-05-20 20:01 < Leslie_S> and come to #wikipedia-xxx
2008-05-20 20:01 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-05-20 20:05 < Lucifer_Cat> wuss
2008-05-20 20:07 * Lucifer_Cat didnt get the dry wet joke
2008-05-20 20:07 < Ziggy_Sawdust> It's supposed to be "a towel"
2008-05-20 20:08 < Lucifer_Cat> lol, then how did hollercoaster come into the pic?
2008-05-20 20:08 < ST47> The holocaust is...a towel?
2008-05-20 20:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Yeah.
2008-05-20 20:09 < Leslie_S> wtf?
2008-05-20 20:09 < Lucifer_Cat> how?
2008-05-20 20:09 < Leslie_S> towel o caust?
2008-05-20 20:09 < Lucifer_Cat> thats too much of a stretch
2008-05-20 20:09 < Messedrocker> no Leslie_S
2008-05-20 20:09 < Messedrocker> Towlie-ban
2008-05-20 20:10 < Lucifer_Cat> nice one Messedrocker ... but just not mean enough.
2008-05-20 20:10 < Messedrocker> from South Park
2008-05-20 20:14 < Ziggy_Sawdust> hahaha
2008-05-20 20:14 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Actually, it wasn't supposed to make sense
2008-05-20 20:18 < Alkivar> i need an opinion from a few people
2008-05-20 20:18 < Alkivar> which of these is most "orange"
2008-05-20 20:18 < Alkivar> http://www.colorcombos.com/combotester.html?color0=DF7000&color1=ffa500&color2=ff6600&color3=ff5809
2008-05-20 20:18 < Messedrocker> you are color blind?
2008-05-20 20:19 < Messedrocker> i would say #ff5809 is most intensely orange
2008-05-20 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> ff6600
2008-05-20 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> by definition
2008-05-20 20:19 < Alkivar> no i'm not color blind... i'm getting an opinion...
2008-05-20 20:19 * Lucifer_Cat is an authority on Orange.
2008-05-20 20:20 < Alkivar> i've always thought the web palette color for orange was slightly "off"
2008-05-20 20:20 * Lucifer_Cat 's blood runs orange.
2008-05-20 20:20 < Lucifer_Cat> Alkivar: it indeed is.
2008-05-20 20:21 < Lucifer_Cat> Weird Al Kaviar
2008-05-20 20:21 < Alkivar> i personally think like Messed that FF5809 is closer to "orange"
2008-05-20 20:21 < Alkivar> but i'm surprised at the responses i've gotten
2008-05-20 20:22 < Alkivar> a lot of people have said the DF7000 is more "orange"
2008-05-20 20:23 < mattbuck> ff6600
2008-05-20 20:23 < Lucifer_Cat> Alkivar: gimme their names so i can make them pay for it
2008-05-20 20:23 < Alkivar> i think it may be a CRT vs LCD thing
2008-05-20 20:24 < geniice> people still use CRTs?
2008-05-20 20:24 < Alkivar> Messed are you using a TN LCD or an IPS LCD?
2008-05-20 20:25 < ggreer> geniice: poor people use CRTs
2008-05-20 20:25 < Lucifer_Cat> im using an AL LCD
2008-05-20 20:26 < Alkivar> poor people should switch... they save more money on electricity using a cheap lcd than a cheap crt
2008-05-20 20:26 < Lucifer_Cat> hey CoolBroccoli
2008-05-20 20:26 < ggreer> also poor people like to play sour grapes with LCDs
2008-05-20 20:26 < Lucifer_Cat> Alkivar: it takes a lot to break even.
2008-05-20 20:26 < Alkivar> Lucifer_Cat: bullshit
2008-05-20 20:26 < ggreer> they complain about view angles or color gamut or something
2008-05-20 20:26 < geniice> Alkivar yeah but old CRTs are effectively free. I think they should swich since my reasearch training is LCD based
2008-05-20 20:27 < Alkivar> i switched from a 17" Trini CRT to a 22" LCD and saw a 3$ drop the first month
2008-05-20 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> how much would it..
2008-05-20 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> ahh interesting
2008-05-20 20:27 < geniice> ggreer no those complaints are good increases chance of reasearch funing see
2008-05-20 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> but there could be other factors no
2008-05-20 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> geniice: haha nice
2008-05-20 20:27 < Alkivar> 2watt standby vs 60watt standby
2008-05-20 20:27 < ggreer> pretty much nobody is going to choose a CRT over an LCD
2008-05-20 20:29 < geniice> ggreer I can get large CRTs for pretty much nothing LCDs cost me money
2008-05-20 20:29 < Lucifer_Cat> and for some strange reason, poor people dont seem to have that kind of money
2008-05-20 20:29 < ggreer> sure, but if you can afford a computer you can probably afford a display
2008-05-20 20:30 < ColonelPanic001> half the time the screen costs 50% as much as the rest of everything
2008-05-20 20:30 < ggreer> not to mention most computer purchases these days are laptops
2008-05-20 20:31 < geniice> ggreer actualy the system I have a CRT on was built by combiening the remains of 3 older computers
2008-05-20 20:31 < Alkivar> actually LCD prices have fallen quite significantly
2008-05-20 20:31 < Alkivar> you can get a 19" LCD for less than 150$ just about everywhere now
2008-05-20 20:31 < Alkivar> you can get a 17" for less than 80$ many places
2008-05-20 20:32 < ggreer> correct. they're so freaking cheap
2008-05-20 20:32 < Alkivar> and realize your 17" LCD is typically the same viewable area as your 19" CRTs
2008-05-20 20:33 < ggreer> also LCDs are much friendlier on the environment. the only heavy metals used are lead solder and some mercury in the backlight
2008-05-20 20:33 < Alkivar> not even that much lead in them anymore
2008-05-20 20:33 < Alkivar> most are RHoS compliant now
2008-05-20 20:33 < ggreer> yeah, probably. and with LCD backlights you get rid of the mercury
2008-05-20 20:34 < Alkivar> damnit RoHS
2008-05-20 20:34 < Alkivar> i hate when i transpose letters
2008-05-20 20:34 < ggreer> CRTs need lead-doped glass in their screens to reduce x-rays
2008-05-20 20:34 < Messedrocker> that's nuts
2008-05-20 20:34 < Messedrocker> preventing one problem by replacing it with a less severe problem
2008-05-20 20:34 < Messedrocker> sounds like the United States
2008-05-20 20:34 < ggreer> mmmm soft x-rays
2008-05-20 20:34 < ggreer> Messedrocker: originally CRTs didn't have lead
2008-05-20 20:35 < ggreer> besides solder in the circuit boards
2008-05-20 20:35 < Messedrocker> but then everyone got face cancer
2008-05-20 20:35 < ggreer> eh, fluoroscopes were around for a long time and I don't see that many people with foot cancer
2008-05-20 20:35 < Ziggy_Sawdust> O_o
2008-05-20 20:35 < Ziggy_Sawdust> O_o
2008-05-20 20:35 < Ziggy_Sawdust> O_o
2008-05-20 20:35 < Alkivar> lol
2008-05-20 20:36 < Alkivar> thats cause the people getting scanned werent the ones dying
2008-05-20 20:36 < Alkivar> it was the employees using the machines 50-60 times a day
2008-05-20 20:36 < geniice> ggreer acutaly some of the chemicals used for alinement are somewhat toxic
2008-05-20 20:36 < Alkivar> and the xray dose from a fluoroscope is still 50x the standard dose used for medical scans today
2008-05-20 20:37 < Alkivar> thats a lot of needless rems
2008-05-20 20:37 < ggreer> but it looked so cool!
2008-05-20 20:37 < Alkivar> meh... learn to properly use your brannock device
2008-05-20 20:37 < privatemusings> (quick off topic question - am I right in thinking only 'auto-confirmed' logged in editors can create articles now?)
2008-05-20 20:37 < chzz> If anyone wants to contribute on #wikipedia-spotlight, that would be great. We're a bit short of people now
2008-05-20 20:38 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Ziggy_Sawdust
2008-05-20 20:38 < privatemusings> ah ceiling cat!
2008-05-20 20:38 < privatemusings> font of all knowledge!
2008-05-20 20:38 < privatemusings> your wisdom will certainly have the answer to my question above.....!
2008-05-20 20:38 < privatemusings> :-)
2008-05-20 20:38 * Ziggy_Sawdust pushes a wheelbarrow full of dicks
2008-05-20 20:39 < ijustam> ????
2008-05-20 20:40 * Messedrocker takes Dick Clark out of Ziggy_Sawdust's dick-mobile
2008-05-20 20:40 < privatemusings> ah messedrocker!
2008-05-20 20:40 < privatemusings> font of all knowledge!
2008-05-20 20:40 < Ziggy_Sawdust> lol
2008-05-20 20:40 < privatemusings> your wisdom will certainly have the answer to my question above.....!
2008-05-20 20:40 < Messedrocker> you are right
2008-05-20 20:40 < Messedrocker> [20:37] <privatemusings> (quick off topic question - am I right in thinking only 'auto-confirmed' logged in editors can create articles now?) << is correct
2008-05-20 20:41 < privatemusings> coolio. (thought so.....)
2008-05-20 20:41 < privatemusings> cheers!
2008-05-20 20:41 < privatemusings> I have a bag of macademia nuts as a prize...
2008-05-20 20:41 < Messedrocker> cheers, james
2008-05-20 20:44 < Leslie_S> ggreer i thought the glass was leaded to get a clearer picture though (which honestly made no sense to me)
2008-05-20 20:44 < ggreer> I'm pretty sure CRTs put out soft x-rays
2008-05-20 20:45 < Messedrocker> yeah
2008-05-20 20:45 < Messedrocker> cathode rays
2008-05-20 20:45 < Messedrocker> cathode rays are streams of electricity
2008-05-20 20:45 < ggreer> at least ones > 25kv or so
2008-05-20 20:47 * Messedrocker drives a car on a bunch of giant bouncy mushrooms
2008-05-20 20:47 < ggreer> The outer glass allows the light generated by the phosphor out of the monitor, but (for color tubes) it must block dangerous X-rays generated by high energy electrons impacting the inside of the CRT face. For this reason, the glass is leaded.
2008-05-20 20:47 < ggreer> from wikipedia
2008-05-20 20:50 < Messedrocker> bah
2008-05-20 20:50 < Messedrocker> forms!
2008-05-20 20:50 < Messedrocker> action="get" method="page" ?
2008-05-20 20:50 < Messedrocker> or the other way around
2008-05-20 20:50 < Messedrocker> i can never remember
2008-05-20 20:51 < scorchsaber> method="get" and action="page"
2008-05-20 20:51 < Messedrocker> DANKE!!!
2008-05-20 20:51 < scorchsaber> It's pretty easy as long as you consider GET, POST, etc. as methods of giving data to the server.
2008-05-20 20:51 < Messedrocker> indeed
2008-05-20 20:51 < scorchsaber> the action="" one is just stupidly labeled, ignore it. :P
2008-05-20 20:57 < Messedrocker> bouncy
2008-05-20 20:57 < Messedrocker> bouncy
2008-05-20 20:57 < Messedrocker> bouncy
2008-05-20 20:57 < ST47> stop
2008-05-20 20:58 * Rinn starts
2008-05-20 21:00 * Messedrocker will probably be up until midnight
2008-05-20 21:00 < Messedrocker> seeing as i slept over three hours earlier
2008-05-20 21:09 < Messedrocker> it always takes 11 minutes
2008-05-20 21:09 < Messedrocker> and it always ends in spring break
2008-05-20 21:13 * Lycurgus watches "Growing Up Online" (PBS Frontline)
2008-05-20 21:14 < Lycurgus> the parents and teachers comes off so lame
2008-05-20 21:14 < Messedrocker> no wonder kids resist authority
2008-05-20 21:14 < Messedrocker> they're all ineffective douchebags
2008-05-20 21:15 < Lycurgus> i guess I just never grew up cause I hate my generation
2008-05-20 21:15 < Lycurgus> bunch o' tired fat assholes
2008-05-20 21:15 < Messedrocker> Lycurgus, how old are you?
2008-05-20 21:15 < Lycurgus> 54
2008-05-20 21:15 < Messedrocker> dear GOD!
2008-05-20 21:15 < Messedrocker> you're older than my father!
2008-05-20 21:16 < Messedrocker> Lycurgus, you have license to complain about your age as you please
2008-05-20 21:16 < geniice> to old to die young!
2008-05-20 21:16 * chzz is eleventy one !!!111!1!
2008-05-20 21:17 < Lycurgus> well 54 would still in this culture be considered dying young though I've already lived 5 years longer than my father
2008-05-20 21:17 < Messedrocker> :|
2008-05-20 21:19 < Lucifer_Cat> ow
2008-05-20 21:19 * Lucifer_Cat huggles Lycurgus
2008-05-20 21:20 < Lucifer_Cat> wait
2008-05-20 21:20 < Lucifer_Cat> youre 54!!
2008-05-20 21:20 * Lycurgus huggles back. Yes, and 5 mo.
2008-05-20 21:20 < Lucifer_Cat> i didnt know any 54 year olds knew how to operate a computer
2008-05-20 21:20 < mattbuck> i think my dad must be about that age, and he knows
2008-05-20 21:20 < Lucifer_Cat> considering how the computer was invented just 5 years ago
2008-05-20 21:21 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, my dad is 53 and he's been using them since either the late 80s or early 90s
2008-05-20 21:21 < mattbuck> not too well, but...
2008-05-20 21:21 < Lycurgus> i'm a programmer. Have been all my adult life.
2008-05-20 21:21 < Messedrocker> and my dad can use them well. just that i surpassed his knowledge of computers when i was 10
2008-05-20 21:21 < Lucifer_Cat> jeez, guys. learn to detect a bad joke.
2008-05-20 21:21 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, we got the joke, it just led to conversation
2008-05-20 21:21 * Looooooooong_Cat huggles Lycurgus
2008-05-20 21:21 * Looooooooong_Cat huggles Messedrocker
2008-05-20 21:21 * Looooooooong_Cat huggles Lucifer_Cat
2008-05-20 21:21 * Looooooooong_Cat huggles geniice
2008-05-20 21:21 < Lucifer_Cat> Looooooooong_Cat: borderline flooding
2008-05-20 21:21 < geniice> long cat is short
2008-05-20 21:22 < Lucifer_Cat> Looooooooong_Cat: too short
2008-05-20 21:22 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: my prof knows computers ... and hes atleast 90
2008-05-20 21:22 < Messedrocker> my programming teacher was an electrical engineer for bell labs
2008-05-20 21:23 < geniice> bah my grandad still programs a bit and he is over 90
2008-05-20 21:23 < Lucifer_Cat> heh, just found out, the old wheezer has been referenced in WP
2008-05-20 21:24 < Lycurgus> well programming is older than me
2008-05-20 21:24 < Lycurgus> most people burn out of the actually doing of programming/sys dev after about 7 years
2008-05-20 21:25 < Lycurgus> they tend to be dilletantes who are driven out by the pressure and various uglinesses
2008-05-20 21:26 < Looooooooong_Cat> Lycurgus, i dare you to code a virus
2008-05-20 21:26 < Messedrocker> could burnout be prevented by working exclusively with your own code?
2008-05-20 21:26 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: no
2008-05-20 21:26 < Looooooooong_Cat> a self-replicating & self-sending one
2008-05-20 21:26 < Lycurgus> they either leave IT completely or go into some ancillary role
2008-05-20 21:26 < ggreer> you can prevent burnout by going on vacation or working fewer than 40 hours a week
2008-05-20 21:27 < Lycurgus> curiously, I've seen young people just out of school who are adamant about not coding
2008-05-20 21:27 < ggreer> or moving to different jobs
2008-05-20 21:28 < ggreer> writing code can be fun as long as you're always learning something. once you're done learning at a job there's no reason to stick around
2008-05-20 21:28 < Lycurgus> of course there all people like Knuth and others considerably older than me who still do the heavy lifting
2008-05-20 21:28 < Lycurgus> *are
2008-05-20 21:30 < Leslie_S> sadly, coding is a job that can be easily downsized when the economy goes down the toilet.
2008-05-20 21:31 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: sure. all those softwares and bugs are gonna manage themselves.
2008-05-20 21:31 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat you can cancel new software projeccts.
2008-05-20 21:32 < Leslie_S> you can end maintenance of older software
2008-05-20 21:32 < Lucifer_Cat> programmers may be stock cattle, but they arent as stupid as their code would have us believe.
2008-05-20 21:32 < bumm13> Lucifer_Cat: your prof is 90?
2008-05-20 21:32 < Lycurgus> actually the IT outsourcing thing peaked a few years ago and it was never a threat to me
2008-05-20 21:32 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat i never said they were stupid.
2008-05-20 21:32 < ggreer> hah. companies fire pretty much everyone before they fire coders
2008-05-20 21:32 < Lycurgus> i'm an independent so it actually helps me
2008-05-20 21:32 < Leslie_S> Anyway, i think my job is hard to kill
2008-05-20 21:32 < Leslie_S> :D
2008-05-20 21:32 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: i really have no words to even begin to even reason with you about the gaping hole in your logic
2008-05-20 21:33 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: except when they run out of gas.
2008-05-20 21:33 < bumm13> hiya ggreer
2008-05-20 21:33 < Lucifer_Cat> but then, the job would be the least of your problems
2008-05-20 21:33 < ggreer> yeah, the only people who couldn't find jobs after the bubble burst either sucked at coding or had no connections
2008-05-20 21:33 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat Trucks dont use gas, no problem.
2008-05-20 21:33 < ggreer> yo bumm13
2008-05-20 21:33 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat im only going to be doing it for like 5 years anyway, if i do this rigt
2008-05-20 21:33 * bumm13 is hot (thermally) :P
2008-05-20 21:33 < Leslie_S> we arent going to run out of oil in 5 years
2008-05-20 21:33 < ggreer> truck driving sounds like a pretty easy thing to automate, and the advantages are insane.
2008-05-20 21:34 < Lycurgus> (a lot of people went back to india where IT is booming and companies don't want to farm out their critical development, it's too sensititve a part of the corporate infrastructure)
2008-05-20 21:34 < Lucifer_Cat> gas =~ petroleum based fuels
2008-05-20 21:34 < bumm13> 54 F but 67% humidity :(
2008-05-20 21:34 < Leslie_S> ggreer meh, i cant really see an automated truck in the near future. however, a train would be super easy to automate, and a lot of truck freight could simply be put on trains, which could be automateed.
2008-05-20 21:35 * bumm13 gets hot too easily :<
2008-05-20 21:35 < ggreer> Leslie_S: this years darpa grand challenge has cars driving themselves in traffic
2008-05-20 21:35 < Leslie_S> ggreer trucks are harder to drive than cars.
2008-05-20 21:35 < geniice> trains frequently are automated
2008-05-20 21:35 * bumm13 imagines an autopilot tractor trailer driving off a cliff in bad weather ;)
2008-05-20 21:35 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-05-20 21:35 < geniice> the problem is that this only really works when the tracks are enclosed
2008-05-20 21:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: by "stupid" comment, i meant that the way they write critical (or any) software, programmers make sure that they are always needed.
2008-05-20 21:36 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat lol, nice ....but.......the company can still cancel projects and fire coders.
2008-05-20 21:36 < Lycurgus> well it's the level of sophistication of basic system software that drives the demand for programmers
2008-05-20 21:36 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: who do you think will be able to fix the banking and financial software
2008-05-20 21:37 < Leslie_S> God
2008-05-20 21:37 < Lucifer_Cat> you can always cut NEW ones
2008-05-20 21:37 < ggreer> Leslie_S: sure, but computers get twice as fast every couple of years. 5 years ago computers couldn't even drive a car on empty roads
2008-05-20 21:37 < Lycurgus> at some point it will have advanced to the point where people can just talk and tell them what they want
2008-05-20 21:37 < Leslie_S> ggreer ai in general sucks though
2008-05-20 21:37 < Lucifer_Cat> but you will need to maintain old software to keep it working
2008-05-20 21:37 < ggreer> eventually all our jobs will be eliminated by computers
2008-05-20 21:37 < Lycurgus> which is I guess sort of how a lot of people think it is now
2008-05-20 21:37 < Lycurgus> which it by no means is.
2008-05-20 21:38 < ggreer> most people hate that idea, but programmers try to automate as much as they can
2008-05-20 21:39 < ijustam> im automating an accountants job at work
2008-05-20 21:39 < Leslie_S> ggreer heh, one time i had a job at a factory that literally could have been replaced by a machine. When i say that, i mean that a machine to do exactly what i did existed, but the company was too cheap to buy it.
2008-05-20 21:39 < ijustam> should take a 2 day job until a couple hours
2008-05-20 21:39 < Leslie_S> i stacked prints on skids
2008-05-20 21:39 < Leslie_S> the skid stacking machine is actually pretty neat
2008-05-20 21:39 < Lycurgus> more likely you were cheaper than the machine
2008-05-20 21:40 < ggreer> of course the cost of that machine is going to get cheaper
2008-05-20 21:40 < ijustam> yeah stacking skids isn't really a race against efficiency
2008-05-20 21:40 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus but you have to keep paying me forever, you only have to pay for the machine once.
2008-05-20 21:40 < Leslie_S> ijustam actually it is.
2008-05-20 21:40 < ijustam> do you throw skids in a truck or what
2008-05-20 21:40 < ggreer> some companies would rather pay someone instead of using a machine. sort of a public service thing
2008-05-20 21:40 < Lycurgus> not as an employer in america I don't.
2008-05-20 21:41 < Leslie_S> heh.
2008-05-20 21:41 < ijustam> we only have 1 automated machine at my work
2008-05-20 21:41 < ijustam> and it's going to take a loooong time to pay it off
2008-05-20 21:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: if machine breaks, they have to repair it or pay for new one. if you break, they fire you and get a new one for cheaper because of "lack of experience"
2008-05-20 21:41 < Lycurgus> at most I would incur a liability to a contribution to workers comp.
2008-05-20 21:41 < Leslie_S> ggreer not this company.
2008-05-20 21:41 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat what if i break a machine?
2008-05-20 21:41 < Leslie_S> i actually did that once.
2008-05-20 21:41 < Leslie_S> i stripped out some gears on a printing press ;/
2008-05-20 21:41 < Lucifer_Cat> fool
2008-05-20 21:42 < Leslie_S> im a fool because i stripped out some gears on a printing press?
2008-05-20 21:42 < Leslie_S> its not like i crashed a semi, its not hard to do
2008-05-20 21:42 < Lucifer_Cat> idiot
2008-05-20 21:42 < ijustam> printing presses are obnoxiously complex
2008-05-20 21:42 < Leslie_S> fuck you
2008-05-20 21:42 < ggreer> that printing press should have used helical gears
2008-05-20 21:42 < Leslie_S> asshole
2008-05-20 21:42 < bumm13> Lucifer_Cat: are you talking to someone?
2008-05-20 21:42 < ggreer> hah
2008-05-20 21:42 < Leslie_S> ggreer it DID, actually.
2008-05-20 21:42 < Lucifer_Cat> bumm13: mostly to myself
2008-05-20 21:42 < Lycurgus> " Maintain civility and respect for other Wikipedians at all times "
2008-05-20 21:42 < Leslie_S> ggreer bigass helical gears, like 2 foot diameter, 4 inch thick....
2008-05-20 21:43 < Lucifer_Cat> though i'd wager that it applies to most people here
2008-05-20 21:43 < bumm13> ?
2008-05-20 21:43 < ggreer> printing presses are kind of obsolete too
2008-05-20 21:43 < bumm13> well, please refrain from "randomly" typing fool and idiot, thanks
2008-05-20 21:43 < Leslie_S> ggreer but if you have a huge electric motor with crazy torque running those gears, and theres a paper jam that isnt resolved quickly...
2008-05-20 21:43 < Leslie_S> SOMETHING has to break.
2008-05-20 21:43 < ggreer> none of my coworkers have paper subscriptions
2008-05-20 21:44 < bumm13> somehow not surprisingly
2008-05-20 21:44 < Leslie_S> Most of the time nothing breaks, because theres sensors that shut down the press in the event of paper jams. but this one happened in a place that didnt have a sensor.