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2008-05-18 02:55 < Werdna> Mike_H: he wasn't talking.
2008-05-18 02:55 < Dcoetzee> Lucifer_Cat: You can't start a fire without a spark.
2008-05-18 02:55 < Mike_H> Werdna: Oh, he was gonna.
2008-05-18 02:55 < SWATJester> Instead of going to basic, then MOS school, then advanced school, we do an OSUT which is your basic combined with your MOS basic, and thenyou go back to your unit and then go to advanced school
2008-05-18 02:55 < Lucifer_Cat> Dcoetzee: this guns for hire btw.
2008-05-18 02:56 < Dcoetzee> Lucifer_Cat: Sweet. There's this guy who's been causing me "trouble" and it might be nice if he "disappeared".
2008-05-18 02:56 < Dcoetzee> :-P
2008-05-18 02:56 < Krimpet> I guess there wasn't really an "Old York" either, now that I think about it
2008-05-18 02:56 < Scott5114> We have a school about the Manual of Style? It's that long? ;P
2008-05-18 02:56 < bumm13> just York in the UK
2008-05-18 02:56 < Mike_H> Krimpet: Of course there was
2008-05-18 02:56 < Mike_H> York-shire
2008-05-18 02:56 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: there was the original york thoguh
2008-05-18 02:56 < Krimpet> there was an Old Netherlands/Amsterdam, but they renamed it after the _Duke_ of York
2008-05-18 02:56 < bumm13> good ol' Penn's Woods ;)
2008-05-18 02:56 < Mike_H> Krimpet: whatever.
2008-05-18 02:57 < Mike_H> I don't know things about Yankees.
2008-05-18 02:57 * Lucifer_Cat gives Dcoetzee the gun... that will be 100$ down plus 150 for every round fired.
2008-05-18 02:57 * Krimpet knows York peppermint patties, and air conditioning. :)
2008-05-18 02:57 < bumm13> Green Mountain, (New) Hampshire, some northeast Native tribes
2008-05-18 02:57 < Dcoetzee> :-P
2008-05-18 02:57 < bumm13> and whatever "Maine" is :P
2008-05-18 02:57 < Lucifer_Cat> maime
2008-05-18 02:57 < bumm13> "Rhode"
2008-05-18 02:58 < bumm13> (which isn't an actual island)
2008-05-18 02:58 < Scott5114> I like how Idaho was named.
2008-05-18 02:58 < Mike_H> Lucifer_Cat: Auntie Maime?
2008-05-18 02:58 * Lucifer_Cat maimes Mike_H
2008-05-18 02:58 < Scott5114> basically some guy pulled it out of his arse trying to make it sound like an Indian name.
2008-05-18 02:58 < bumm13> actually, RI has an island called "Rhode Island", just to confuse people
2008-05-18 02:58 < bumm13> yep
2008-05-18 02:58 < Mike_H> bumm13: don't forget those Providence Plantations!
2008-05-18 02:58 < bumm13> \o/
2008-05-18 02:58 < Lucifer_Cat> so its RI,RI
2008-05-18 02:58 < Lucifer_Cat> reminds me of NIII!!
2008-05-18 02:58 < bumm13> well, it's not a city/place, but yeah
2008-05-18 02:58 < Lucifer_Cat> NNNI!!
2008-05-18 02:59 < Mike_H> Lucifer_Cat: Rhode Island (IPA: /ro?d 'a?l?nd/), officially named the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations,[2] is a state in the New England region of the United States. It is the smallest U.S. state by area.
2008-05-18 02:59 < Mike_H> It's RIPP.
2008-05-18 02:59 < bumm13> (New) Jersey
2008-05-18 02:59 * Lucifer_Cat RIPP
2008-05-18 02:59 < bumm13> Jersey and Guernsey, those UK islands in the English Channel
2008-05-18 02:59 < Lucifer_Cat> bumm13: you mean New India
2008-05-18 02:59 < bumm13> hmm?
2008-05-18 03:00 < Lucifer_Cat> bumm13: some parts in NJ have 90% indian population
2008-05-18 03:00 < Dcoetzee> bumm13: That's... really... confusing.
2008-05-18 03:00 < Dcoetzee> bumm13: But not half as confusing as Australia's time zones. :-P
2008-05-18 03:00 < Lucifer_Cat> btw, cann someone tell me... why is NJ so reviled?
2008-05-18 03:00 < bumm13> the S.F. Bay Area has a lot as well
2008-05-18 03:00 < Mike_H> Lucifer_Cat: Tell me
2008-05-18 03:00 < Mike_H> why is New Jersey called
2008-05-18 03:00 < Mike_H> The Garden State?
2008-05-18 03:00 * bumm13 has never actually been to NJ
2008-05-18 03:00 < SWATJester> you can smell it from old jersey
2008-05-18 03:00 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: wikkit
2008-05-18 03:00 < Mike_H> "Because it's too hard to put Oil and Petrochemical Refinery State on a license plate?"
2008-05-18 03:00 < Krimpet> Lucifer_Cat: because the part everyone drives through goes through all the refineries, basically
2008-05-18 03:01 < Lucifer_Cat> haha yeah i read that once many years ago
2008-05-18 03:01 < bumm13> the Meadowlands are horribly polluted
2008-05-18 03:01 < Krimpet> NJ == the Jersey Turnpike in most folks' minds
2008-05-18 03:01 < bumm13> (have been for decades)
2008-05-18 03:01 < Mike_H> Krimpet: on Big Brother one year
2008-05-18 03:01 < Mike_H> a girl was from New Jersey
2008-05-18 03:01 < Mike_H> and someone asked her "what exit are you from?"
2008-05-18 03:01 < Mike_H> and she got really offended
2008-05-18 03:01 < bumm13> northeast NJ was used as a big post-WWII garbage dump
2008-05-18 03:01 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: but i've heard more than one reference about people from there being D'Bags
2008-05-18 03:01 < bumm13> hahaha
2008-05-18 03:02 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: XD
2008-05-18 03:02 < Scott5114> the New Jersey Turnpike has to have the most decrepit road signs in the U.S...
2008-05-18 03:02 < Krimpet> Mike_H: ha, probably from south jersey
2008-05-18 03:02 < Mike_H> Krimpet: I know what town she's from
2008-05-18 03:02 < Mike_H> let me look
2008-05-18 03:02 < bumm13> New Jersey: The state that is a suburb
2008-05-18 03:02 < Scott5114> you can really tell how those 'what exit?' jokes started though
2008-05-18 03:02 < bumm13> (squished between New York City and Philadelphia)
2008-05-18 03:02 < Mike_H> Krimpet: no, actually, pretty close to New York
2008-05-18 03:02 < Scott5114> the signs have the exit number in like five-foot tall text
2008-05-18 03:02 < Mike_H> Saddle Brook is a township in Bergen County, New Jersey, United States. As of the United States 2000 Census, the township population was 13,155.
2008-05-18 03:03 < Krimpet> Mike_H: ah, nvm then
2008-05-18 03:03 < Scott5114> and the actual destinations in tiny letters underneath
2008-05-18 03:03 < bumm13> New Jersey gave us Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi and Kelly Ripa ;)
2008-05-18 03:04 < Krimpet> the Jersey Turnpike is obviously designed for people to stay on the whole way, instead of get off and see the state.
2008-05-18 03:04 < Mike_H> best headline ever
2008-05-18 03:04 < Krimpet> barely any exits, and in south jersey it connects to pretty much nothing.
2008-05-18 03:04 < Mike_H> "Internet Fame Is a Cruel Mistress for a Numa Numa Dancer"
2008-05-18 03:04 < Mike_H> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Numanumanewspaper.jpg
2008-05-18 03:04 < bumm13> Atlantic City is hardly "high-falutin'"
2008-05-18 03:05 < bumm13> (unless you own a casino)
2008-05-18 03:05 < Mike_H> bumm13: it is for the trash from New Jersey.
2008-05-18 03:05 < Mike_H> I mean
2008-05-18 03:05 < Mike_H> I love you, New Jersey...ans.
2008-05-18 03:05 < bumm13> and Camden = scary place
2008-05-18 03:05 < Krimpet> Mike_H: people in glass states shouldn't throw stones :)
2008-05-18 03:05 < bumm13> (as do much of Newark and Jersey City)
2008-05-18 03:05 < Mike_H> Krimpet: At least nobody can say Alabama smells like an oil refinery.
2008-05-18 03:05 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: alabama > nj
2008-05-18 03:06 < bumm13> again, just seventh-hand knowledge :P
2008-05-18 03:06 < Krimpet> south jersey is nice. north jersey is shit. :)
2008-05-18 03:06 < Scott5114> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:NJTP_exit_9.JPG
2008-05-18 03:06 < Krimpet> (south jersey == Philly suburbs.)
2008-05-18 03:06 < bumm13> Camden!
2008-05-18 03:06 < Mike_H> Scott5114: ugh, that reminds me of the shit signs in Georgia.
2008-05-18 03:06 < Dcoetzee> Mike_H: There are tons of oil refineries in Alabama.
2008-05-18 03:06 < bumm13> w00t
2008-05-18 03:06 < bumm13> :p
2008-05-18 03:06 < Mike_H> Dcoetzee: shush you.
2008-05-18 03:07 < bumm13> apparently not enough to keep gas prices down :(
2008-05-18 03:07 < Scott5114> Mike_H: Didn't GDOT replace most of them, in the Atlanta area anyway?
2008-05-18 03:07 < Krimpet> only after reading WP, though, did I figure out Joyce Kilmer was a man
2008-05-18 03:07 < Mike_H> Scott5114: no, they're still the same statewide
2008-05-18 03:07 < Scott5114> I remember they started using the Series D typeface everywhere
2008-05-18 03:07 < Mike_H> and it's annoying to see because the fonts used in Florida and Georgia are so different
2008-05-18 03:07 < bumm13> roadcruft! ;)
2008-05-18 03:07 < Mike_H> well, they're not DIFFERENT
2008-05-18 03:07 < Mike_H> Florida uses the fatter font
2008-05-18 03:07 < Mike_H> and Georgia's is skinny.
2008-05-18 03:08 < bumm13> I like the Interstate shield font that California uses on its 3-digit routes
2008-05-18 03:08 < Dcoetzee> Mike_H: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries#Alabama
2008-05-18 03:08 < Scott5114> Florida uses Series E Modified
2008-05-18 03:08 < bumm13> (on its old signs, anyway)
2008-05-18 03:08 < Krimpet> new york has some fugly highway signs.
2008-05-18 03:08 < LaraLove> I just had an "O, damn" edit save moment, hahaha
2008-05-18 03:08 < Scott5114> Georgia uses Series D.
2008-05-18 03:08 < Mike_H> Dcoetzee: SHUSH
2008-05-18 03:08 < Mike_H> Scott5114: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:I-4_east_exits_111A-B.jpg
2008-05-18 03:08 < LaraLove> O, and I'd timed out, so I had to relive it, XD
2008-05-18 03:08 < Dcoetzee> ;-)
2008-05-18 03:09 < Scott5114> Mike_H: Yeah, that's Series E Modified.
2008-05-18 03:09 * bumm13 has no idea what Washington state uses
2008-05-18 03:09 < Mike_H> Scott5114: Georgia's is skinnier
2008-05-18 03:10 < Scott5114> Mike_H: Yeah, it's Series D, then. Series F is the fattest, and it goes down to Series B, which is the skinniest.
2008-05-18 03:10 < Mike_H> Scott5114: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:I-4_east_exits_111A-B.jpg
2008-05-18 03:10 < Mike_H> zoom in on that
2008-05-18 03:10 < Scott5114> Unless they're using Series C, which I doubt.
2008-05-18 03:10 < Mike_H> ack
2008-05-18 03:10 < Mike_H> no, not that
2008-05-18 03:10 < Mike_H> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/13_Atlanta.jpg
2008-05-18 03:10 < Mike_H> this
2008-05-18 03:11 < Scott5114> kind of grainy, but that looks like Series D.
2008-05-18 03:12 < Lucifer_Cat> without atlanta, we'd be georgia.
2008-05-18 03:12 < Lucifer_Cat> oops
2008-05-18 03:12 < Lucifer_Cat> phail
2008-05-18 03:12 < Scott5114> Trust me, it could be a whole hell of a lot worse: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:US_60_West_Bartlesville.jpg
2008-05-18 03:13 < Mike_H> That's so ugly.
2008-05-18 03:13 < Mike_H> It looks like...
2008-05-18 03:13 < Mike_H> photoshop.
2008-05-18 03:13 < bumm13> Scott5114 - http://www.interstate-guide.com/images005/i-005_nt_09.jpg (Washington)
2008-05-18 03:13 < Scott5114> Texas and Pennsylvania started it, and other states are adopting it.
2008-05-18 03:13 < Scott5114> it's supposed to be easier to read
2008-05-18 03:14 < Mike_H> Scott5114: It's Series C
2008-05-18 03:14 < Scott5114> C? Really? Hm.
2008-05-18 03:14 < Scott5114> bumm13: Everything there is Series E Modified, except the "548", which is C.
2008-05-18 03:14 < bumm13> ah
2008-05-18 03:15 < bumm13> the one- and two-digit state route signs use a different font
2008-05-18 03:15 < bumm13> (I think)
2008-05-18 03:15 < Scott5114> yeah, the one digits use F, I think, and the two-digits probably use D.
2008-05-18 03:15 < Dcoetzee> One thing that freaked me out when I came to the West Coast was the change in the highways.
2008-05-18 03:15 < Dcoetzee> In Redmond, Washington, the HOV lanes are on the right-hand side.
2008-05-18 03:15 < Dcoetzee> It's so the buses can access them more easily.
2008-05-18 03:16 < Dcoetzee> Not a universal West Coast thing as it turns out, but it tripped me up.
2008-05-18 03:16 < Scott5114> Oklahoma doesn't have HOV lanes. :>
2008-05-18 03:16 < SWATJester> Redmond was weird
2008-05-18 03:16 < Scott5114> of course Redmond is weird. that's its major export.
2008-05-18 03:16 < Scott5114> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:044i_ok_exit229.jpg - More Clearview
2008-05-18 03:17 < SWATJester> I went on a date there once. I think we went to like....bellevue town center?
2008-05-18 03:17 < SWATJester> some outdoor strip mall thing?
2008-05-18 03:17 < Dcoetzee> Redmond Town Center.
2008-05-18 03:17 < Dcoetzee> Is what you're thinking of.
2008-05-18 03:17 < Dcoetzee> It's nice.
2008-05-18 03:17 < SWATJester> It had a freestanding mexican restaurant that was awful
2008-05-18 03:17 < Dcoetzee> You're probably thinking of Desert Fire.
2008-05-18 03:17 < SWATJester> yes
2008-05-18 03:17 < Dcoetzee> It's actually Southwestern.
2008-05-18 03:17 < Dcoetzee> They're not bad. I like their bread.
2008-05-18 03:18 < Dcoetzee> But authentic, they are not.
2008-05-18 03:18 < SWATJester> Yeah, I got some sort of southwestern pasta dish
2008-05-18 03:18 < SWATJester> it was foul
2008-05-18 03:18 < Dcoetzee> Could be worse.
2008-05-18 03:18 < Dcoetzee> You could've gone to Azteca.
2008-05-18 03:18 < SWATJester> and then I went for a walk in some residential neighborhood and got warned about bears.
2008-05-18 03:18 < Dcoetzee> Heh
2008-05-18 03:18 < Dcoetzee> There aren't bears in Redmond. :-P There's not enough forest to support them.
2008-05-18 03:18 < bumm13> Scott5114 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WA-7.svg
2008-05-18 03:19 < SWATJester> that's what I though
2008-05-18 03:19 < SWATJester> t
2008-05-18 03:19 < SWATJester> hence, weird peopel
2008-05-18 03:19 < SWATJester> seattle proper is fun though
2008-05-18 03:19 < Scott5114> bumm13: yeah, that's F.
2008-05-18 03:19 < Dcoetzee> Redmond is, above all, an ordinary suburb.
2008-05-18 03:19 < Dcoetzee> I know it well so I'm comfortable there. But like all suburbs, it's fake.
2008-05-18 03:19 < bumm13> Scott5114 - and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WA-14.svg
2008-05-18 03:20 < Dcoetzee> Trying to learn the city now. I live in the University District.
2008-05-18 03:20 < Scott5114> bumm13: That's Series D.
2008-05-18 03:20 < SWATJester> I had this weird idea of Redmond that it was some microsoft pre-fab city, sort of like Celebration is in Florida for Disney employees
2008-05-18 03:20 < bumm13> Fremont might be an interesting neighborhood to explore
2008-05-18 03:20 < Dcoetzee> SWATJester: Not at all.
2008-05-18 03:20 < Dcoetzee> SWATJester: It predates MS by many decades.
2008-05-18 03:21 < SWATJester> Yeah, I didn't know that
2008-05-18 03:21 < SWATJester> I'll be in Seattle in november I think
2008-05-18 03:21 < SWATJester> wait
2008-05-18 03:21 < SWATJester> august
2008-05-18 03:21 < Dcoetzee> MS has shaped its commerce to some extent. But generally, MS employees need the same everyday commodities as anyone else in their salary range.
2008-05-18 03:21 < SWATJester> for PAX 2008
2008-05-18 03:22 < bumm13> Seattle is large, thus it has suburbs
2008-05-18 03:22 < bumm13> like any city
2008-05-18 03:22 < bumm13> although Bellevue is kind of an anchor in its own right now (Redmond is near Bellevue)
2008-05-18 03:24 < Dcoetzee> Bellevue is one of the largest cities in the state.
2008-05-18 03:24 < Dcoetzee> Although it's really half-city, half-suburb.
2008-05-18 03:24 < Dcoetzee> The sprawl portion is indistinguishable from Redmond.
2008-05-18 03:25 < Dcoetzee> I don't argue that cities inevitably have suburbs. But there's no reason they have to be the fantasy-land carbon copies of some city designer's idea of the nuclear family paradise.
2008-05-18 03:26 < Dcoetzee> Little houses, all in a row, with neat cut lawns.
2008-05-18 03:28 < bumm13> basically, the Seattle-Tacoma area is starting to max out a bit and suffer from bad traffic
2008-05-18 03:28 < SWATJester> Shit
2008-05-18 03:28 < SWATJester> I can't find my PAX confirmation
2008-05-18 03:31 < SWATJester> woo found it
2008-05-18 03:31 < Shiroi_Neko> SWATJester PAX me not
2008-05-18 03:31 < SWATJester> anyway I'll be in Seattle August 29th weekend
2008-05-18 03:31 < Dcoetzee> bumm13: As a friend once said to me, Seattle suffers from inconveniently-placed lakes. :-P
2008-05-18 03:32 < SWATJester> so if any of you from seattle want to get a beer let me know in advance
2008-05-18 03:32 < Dcoetzee> It's hard to find pax in this world of strife.
2008-05-18 03:34 < Shiroi_Neko> Seattle August 29th weekend
2008-05-18 03:34 < Shiroi_Neko> I have planted the bombs SWATJester
2008-05-18 03:34 < SWATJester> nice
2008-05-18 03:34 < Shiroi_Neko> I will blow up all tall buildings but one of them
2008-05-18 03:34 < Shiroi_Neko> so you can watch them crumble
2008-05-18 03:34 < SWATJester> but then you'll have a convention full of counterstrike fans trying to defuse it
2008-05-18 03:34 < Shiroi_Neko> SWATJester I have plenty of dummy ones for them to play with
2008-05-18 03:35 < Shiroi_Neko> dont worry even the dumy ones have the yield to kill the defuser
2008-05-18 03:35 * Shiroi_Neko wonders if anyone got the fight club referance...
2008-05-18 03:35 < SWATJester> No, but I thought fight club was highly overrated anyway
2008-05-18 03:35 < Shiroi_Neko> yes
2008-05-18 03:35 < Shiroi_Neko> which is why we will cut your balls
2008-05-18 03:36 < Shiroi_Neko> rule #347 do not call fight club overrated
2008-05-18 03:36 < SWATJester> Rule #348 ignore all rules
2008-05-18 03:36 < Shiroi_Neko> no
2008-05-18 03:36 < Shiroi_Neko> thats rule #3
2008-05-18 03:36 < Werdna> what about rule #34?
2008-05-18 03:36 < Shiroi_Neko> rule #4 ignore rule 3 when cutting balls
2008-05-18 03:37 < Shiroi_Neko> rule #34 is reserved for the Internationa Rule Protocol Authority
2008-05-18 03:37 < SWATJester> Rule 34 is in effect
2008-05-18 03:37 < SWATJester> As soon as he started talking about ball cutting
2008-05-18 03:37 < Shiroi_Neko> its a secret
2008-05-18 03:37 < Shiroi_Neko> SWATJester I am not a ball cutter
2008-05-18 03:38 < SWATJester> Neutered_cat
2008-05-18 03:54 * V`Ger is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-18 03:54 < Dcoetzee> Goodnight, V`Ger. :-)
2008-05-18 03:54 < sphefx> good night V`Ger
2008-05-18 03:54 < V`Ger> :)
2008-05-18 04:18 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-05-18 04:18 < Species8472-> hi!
2008-05-18 04:18 < Dcoetzee> Hi Fabexplosive. :-)
2008-05-18 04:20 < Fabexplosive> hey Species8472-, Dcoetzee
2008-05-18 05:18 < Lubaf> Who's the black private dick who's a fax machine to all the chicks?
2008-05-18 05:33 < Lucifer_Cat> Lubaf: roger moore
2008-05-18 05:35 < On> <On> hoo???? now the abusing sysop is deleting my requests for unblock my account!
2008-05-18 05:35 < On> <On> woooow
2008-05-18 05:35 < On> <On> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daw24&diff=213214280&oldid=213213962
2008-05-18 05:35 < On> <shorten> On's url is at http://xrl.us/bkpdt
2008-05-18 05:35 < On> Hu12
2008-05-18 05:38 < bumm13> ?
2008-05-18 05:39 < Werdna> looks dodgy
2008-05-18 05:39 < Werdna> blocking admin removed an unblock template and then protected the page
2008-05-18 05:39 < Werdna> I didn't think you were supposed to do that
2008-05-18 05:41 < Lucifer_Cat> im not
2008-05-18 05:42 < Species8472> abuse!
2008-05-18 05:42 < bumm13> On: you are User:Daw24 ?
2008-05-18 05:45 * bumm13 suspects so
2008-05-18 05:46 * Werdna moos at NoPegs
2008-05-18 05:46 < On> NO
2008-05-18 05:46 < On> I am not, but i have no choice, i must use multiple accounts.
2008-05-18 05:47 < On> He is blocking anything I write in discusions.
2008-05-18 05:47 < Kamping_Kaiser> lol, :)
2008-05-18 05:47 < On> Search google its not first timehe is abusing his power like this.
2008-05-18 05:48 < JessicaTaylor> Kamping_Kaiser: lol
2008-05-18 05:48 < Kamping_Kaiser> :)
2008-05-18 05:48 < bumm13> On: you seem hell-bent on spamming Wikipedia articles
2008-05-18 05:48 < bumm13> and using sockpuppets to evade bans
2008-05-18 05:48 < bumm13> *blocks
2008-05-18 05:49 < JessicaTaylor> ooh
2008-05-18 05:49 < JessicaTaylor> what are sock puppets
2008-05-18 05:49 < JessicaTaylor> in this sense
2008-05-18 05:49 < Werdna> you know when you lose a sock?
2008-05-18 05:50 < On> bumm: he is talking about a one year ol case which is resolved.
2008-05-18 05:50 < On> it has NOTHINg to do with this issue.
2008-05-18 05:50 < bumm13> On: nonsense
2008-05-18 05:50 < On> Its true.
2008-05-18 05:50 < bumm13> you're just being silly
2008-05-18 05:50 < Kamping_Kaiser> JessicaTaylor, puppets i'm guessing
2008-05-18 05:50 < On> And I haveno spammed
2008-05-18 05:50 < hendry> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aplix&action=edit&redlink=1 I don't understand this deletion reason (A1/A7 content was: '{{db-a7}}'''
2008-05-18 05:50 < JessicaTaylor> :P
2008-05-18 05:50 < JessicaTaylor> On: orly?
2008-05-18 05:50 < bumm13> this isn't the place to argue about obvious vandalism/sockpuppet issues
2008-05-18 05:51 < Werdna> hendry: have a look at our speedy deletion criteria. Link coming
2008-05-18 05:51 < On> bumm13 if he is so right and i am so nonsense, why does he need to delete my discussion notes?
2008-05-18 05:51 < bumm13> you just create sockpuppets to avoids blocks, so why whine in here?
2008-05-18 05:51 < Werdna> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD
2008-05-18 05:51 < On> Why does he need to ban and block me?
2008-05-18 05:51 < Werdna> in particular, # No context. Very short articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Example: "He is a funny man with a red car. He makes people laugh." Context is different from content, treated in A3, below.
2008-05-18 05:51 < Werdna> and # An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. This is distinct from questions of verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability; to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable. A7 applies only to ...
2008-05-18 05:51 < bumm13> On: because you make spam edits to articles repeatedly
2008-05-18 05:51 < Werdna> ... articles about web content or articles on people and organizations themselves, not articles on their books, albums, software and so on. Other article types are not eligible for deletion by this criterion. If controversial, as with schools, list the article at Articles for deletion instead.
2008-05-18 05:51 < On> its complete crap. This is an abusing admin that is trying to hang on an old conlict to hide his actions
2008-05-18 05:52 < bumm13> On: take it to Requests for Comment, then
2008-05-18 05:52 < On> I did not make spam edits
2008-05-18 05:52 < bumm13> it's already verified that you did
2008-05-18 05:52 < bumm13> no sense in whining in here about it
2008-05-18 05:53 < On> No it is not
2008-05-18 05:53 < On> bumm please listen
2008-05-18 05:54 < hendry> Werdna: ok i think i understand A1/A7. Anyway, I would like to improve the artical. Not sure how to pull the old version of it from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aplix&action=edit&redlink=1
2008-05-18 05:55 < Werdna> hendry: what was the article about?
2008-05-18 05:57 < hendry> Werdna: company Aplix Corporation
2008-05-18 05:57 < hendry> Werdna: I work for the company and I want to add stuff to it.
2008-05-18 05:58 < Werdna> ah.
2008-05-18 05:58 < Werdna> Usually we discourage that.
2008-05-18 05:59 < Werdna> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:COI
2008-05-18 06:00 < Werdna> hendry: more info at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Business%27_FAQ#I_think_my_company_deserves_an_article_on_Wikipedia_but_none_exists._What_can_I_do.3F
2008-05-18 06:00 < hendry> Werdna: I understand. Though I just want to get at least a stub going. we're a member of a few groups and it's a pain to track that. well, that's my excuse
2008-05-18 06:01 < Werdna> hendry: that last link might be helpful.
2008-05-18 06:01 < hendry> Werdna: yes indeed it looks good.
2008-05-18 06:01 < hendry> Thank you for your help and time Werdna
2008-05-18 06:02 < Werdna> also https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:WWMPD
2008-05-18 06:05 < Filnik> how should I tag an article that imho it's a fake, on en.wikipedia?
2008-05-18 06:05 < Filnik> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Angelini )
2008-05-18 06:09 < Werdna> {{hoax}}
2008-05-18 06:09 < }{}> Why did you ban me? I am not a spammer, I never spamed.
2008-05-18 06:10 < Filnik> Werdna: thanks, but if I'm sure that's a fake and that it should be deleted (almoust) immediately? :)
2008-05-18 06:11 < Werdna> {{db-hoax}}
2008-05-18 06:11 < Filnik> ( His publications, about his work as headmaster, reached a great success; “A failure as Physicist but incomparable as headmaster” (an autobiography) and the remake of Machiavelli’s “The Prince” entitled “The Headmaster” are the most noteworthy. ....)
2008-05-18 06:11 < Filnik> Werdna: eehhmm... sorry, but it seems a redlink :)
2008-05-18 06:12 < Werdna> damn.
2008-05-18 06:12 < Werdna> I dunno then. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:HOAX
2008-05-18 06:13 < Filnik> Werdna: found the howTo-part, thanks :)
2008-05-18 06:19 < Abused_WP_user> I ask for help dealing with an abusive admin (Hu12), if he is so right as some of you mean, why does he need to delete all the original discussion notes and edit/block talk pages. Run search on google for power abuse and Hu12 and you will see that I am not his first victim. Why protecting such a grabage? Don't you understand that its his actions of playing with user talk pages and discussion notes that make WP users registering mult
2008-05-18 06:20 < Lucifer_Cat> hmmm though didnt he have a point?
2008-05-18 06:20 < Species8472> +b *!*@*.no ? :)
2008-05-18 06:20 < Werdna> yay!
2008-05-18 06:20 < bumm13> I referred him to RFC
2008-05-18 06:20 < Lucifer_Cat> hmmm
2008-05-18 06:21 < bumm13> I already dealt with him yesterday
2008-05-18 06:21 < bumm13> since then, he's been vandalizing/spamming more pages on WP
2008-05-18 06:21 < Lucifer_Cat> heh
2008-05-18 06:21 < bumm13> and using sockpuppet accounts to evade blocks
2008-05-18 06:21 < Lucifer_Cat> how sweet
2008-05-18 06:21 < Species8472> nice way of wasting his and your time
2008-05-18 06:21 < bumm13> then comes in here just to be disruptive and claim that an admin is out to get him, basically
2008-05-18 06:22 < Chris_G> Werdna, de op yourself
2008-05-18 06:22 < Species8472> yeah or freenode will come and arrest you
2008-05-18 06:22 < Werdna> Chris_G: why?
2008-05-18 06:22 < bumm13> if he has an issue with a specific admin, then RFC is the place he needs to go to
2008-05-18 06:22 < Lucifer_Cat> Werdna: NAO
2008-05-18 06:22 < Chris_G> I feel scared :P
2008-05-18 06:22 < Werdna> I'll deop later
2008-05-18 06:22 < Werdna> once he's not come back
2008-05-18 06:22 < Lucifer_Cat> way to be lazy
2008-05-18 06:23 < Werdna> efficient.
2008-05-18 06:23 < Lucifer_Cat> lazy + power hungry = so not cool = Werdna :P
2008-05-18 06:23 < Chris_G> yeh but then everone will be like "I want +o"
2008-05-18 06:23 < bumm13> but otherwise, he has no leverage in whatever issues he brings up due to his misbehavior
2008-05-18 06:23 < Werdna> Efficiency is a highly-developed form of laziness.
2008-05-18 06:23 < Lucifer_Cat> Laziness is the mother of all efficiencies
2008-05-18 06:23 < Lucifer_Cat> though given its nature, i'd bet laziness is the dad
2008-05-18 06:24 < Dcoetzee> Laziness is one of the three principle virtues of a programmer.
2008-05-18 06:24 < Dcoetzee> So I should hope Werdna is Lazy.
2008-05-18 06:25 < Werdna> :D:D:D
2008-05-18 06:26 < Species8472> seriously Werdna they will come and arrest you
2008-05-18 06:26 < Chris_G> I'm going to tell freenode :P
2008-05-18 06:28 < Werdna> oh noes
2008-05-18 06:28 < Werdna> lilo will come and get me
2008-05-18 06:28 < Werdna> zombiez!
2008-05-18 06:28 < Species8472> his ghost
2008-05-18 06:29 < Dcoetzee> msg nickserv ghost Werdna
2008-05-18 06:29 < Werdna> what's my passw0rd
2008-05-18 06:30 < Dcoetzee> ******
2008-05-18 06:30 < Species8472> when is someone going to answer my help desk question :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Integrating_a_list_notable_news_sources
2008-05-18 06:30 < Werdna> omg! see! I just typed my password hunter2 and it shows up as *s
2008-05-18 06:30 * Werdna ducks
2008-05-18 06:30 < Werdna> I'm kidding
2008-05-18 06:31 < Species8472> no you're not
2008-05-18 06:31 < Species8472> i'm going to report you now as abusive operator
2008-05-18 06:31 < Werdna> oh noes
2008-05-18 06:31 < Species8472> and I know how to use tor so don't try the banishment tricks
2008-05-18 06:31 < Luna-San> You'll never op in this town again!
2008-05-18 06:32 < Werdna> /mode +bb *!*@gateway/* species8472!*!*
2008-05-18 06:32 < Chris_G> Werdna: -NickServ- Password Incorrect
2008-05-18 06:32 < Species8472> /nick species8473
2008-05-18 06:32 < Werdna> Chris_G: that was a reference to bash.org
2008-05-18 06:32 < Lucifer_Cat> heh
2008-05-18 06:32 < Werdna> search google for hunter2
2008-05-18 06:33 < Lucifer_Cat> that was epic
2008-05-18 06:33 < Luna-San> Oh, is that actually the password in that quote? I hadn't remembered.
2008-05-18 06:36 < Lucifer_Cat> youre a lunatic
2008-05-18 06:47 < OilCrusher> :)
2008-05-18 06:47 < Dcoetzee> Goodnight all. :-)
2008-05-18 06:48 < OilCrusher> international distribution of Sky Wheel happens in a couple hours! :)
2008-05-18 06:49 < OilCrusher> I now pronounce May 18, 2008 Wheel Day
2008-05-18 06:51 < Lucifer_Cat> wassat
2008-05-18 06:52 < StayWheels> Sky Wheel by Digital Noise Control will be distributed within 24 hours on 3 continents in groups of 50 Compact Discs
2008-05-18 06:52 < StayWheels> :)
2008-05-18 06:52 < StayWheels> At least that's what we are aiming for
2008-05-18 06:53 * Lucifer_Cat tunes out
2008-05-18 06:53 < StayWheels> Did I mention that they would be free? :)
2008-05-18 06:54 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-05-18 06:54 < Lucifer_Cat> what is it exactly though
2008-05-18 06:54 < StayWheels> Music
2008-05-18 06:58 < Lucifer_Cat> why not just put it up for DL?
2008-05-18 06:58 < StayWheels> it is up for DL
2008-05-18 06:58 < Lucifer_Cat> you said CDa
2008-05-18 06:58 < Lucifer_Cat> CDs
2008-05-18 06:59 < Lucifer_Cat> and 50
2008-05-18 06:59 < StayWheels> yes - some people need CDs
2008-05-18 06:59 < Lucifer_Cat> ok
2008-05-18 06:59 < Lucifer_Cat> how will you distribute those
2008-05-18 06:59 < StayWheels> On the ground
2008-05-18 06:59 < Lucifer_Cat> how
2008-05-18 06:59 < StayWheels> Ancient Chinese Secret.
2008-05-18 07:00 < Lucifer_Cat> XD
2008-05-18 07:00 < StayWheels> Friends and Friends of Friends.
2008-05-18 07:00 < Lucifer_Cat> ok
2008-05-18 07:00 < StayWheels> And Friends of Friends of Friends of Friends.
2008-05-18 07:00 < Lucifer_Cat> lol got it
2008-05-18 07:00 < Lucifer_Cat> have a great opening :)
2008-05-18 07:00 < StayWheels> Did I mention its coming with a CC license?
2008-05-18 07:01 * Lucifer_Cat tunes out
2008-05-18 07:01 < Lucifer_Cat> really. this time i really did.
2008-05-18 07:01 < StayWheels> thank you
2008-05-18 07:01 < Lucifer_Cat> though i will DL and listen when you post the leenk
2008-05-18 07:01 < StayWheels> sure
2008-05-18 07:02 < Lucifer_Cat> for now, i will have my early morning sleep :)
2008-05-18 07:02 < StayWheels> http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/22583
2008-05-18 07:23 < cygnus_hansa> Hello all, this is Cygnus from India/United States
2008-05-18 07:31 < eptalon> heyas
2008-05-18 07:33 < eptalon> I was wondering: can I motivate any Icelandic speakers to join simple-english wikipedia?
2008-05-18 07:54 * soufron hello
2008-05-18 08:15 < StayWheels> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel
2008-05-18 08:36 < kim_bruning> helo
2008-05-18 08:37 < mattbuck> hello
2008-05-18 08:41 < Leslie_S> heh, my employer doesnt have a wikipedia article yet. what a surprise
2008-05-18 08:41 < Leslie_S> i was looking forward to reading the controversy section :(
2008-05-18 08:41 < Kamping_Kaiser> :(
2008-05-18 08:41 < Leslie_S> my company is quite controversial
2008-05-18 08:41 < Kamping_Kaiser> your mission, should you choose to accept it ...
2008-05-18 08:42 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser i dont know enough about the company to make an article on it, and wouldnt i be accused of pov pushing anyway?
2008-05-18 08:42 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, dunno. i dont edit, i just lurk on a few watchlists (and as such never bothered to properly read the rules)
2008-05-18 08:43 < Leslie_S> i havent edited in a few years
2008-05-18 08:44 < Leslie_S> and bah, im still in pain from yesterday
2008-05-18 08:44 * Kamping_Kaiser wishes there was a nicer way of getting watchlists then logging in by http
2008-05-18 08:45 < Leslie_S> yesterday, we drove the truck to downtown detroit, and theres this section of brick road on main street that we went over at 35mph...the pain!
2008-05-18 08:45 < Leslie_S> and then after that, more pain was caused by another student shifting extremely roughly
2008-05-18 08:45 < Kamping_Kaiser> you buggered up your back?
2008-05-18 08:45 < Leslie_S> no
2008-05-18 08:46 < Leslie_S> my stomach hurts though
2008-05-18 08:46 < Kamping_Kaiser> ah
2008-05-18 08:46 < Leslie_S> hell, i wasnt even driving, i was riding in the back seat (yes, a semi with a back seat :P)
2008-05-18 08:46 < Leslie_S> when i drove, i didnt notice the pain
2008-05-18 08:47 < Kamping_Kaiser> when you say 'semi' what do you mean?... and 'truck'?
2008-05-18 08:47 * Kamping_Kaiser has a memory that yanks use such words differently to their usage here
2008-05-18 08:47 < Leslie_S> It's a lorry
2008-05-18 08:47 < Kamping_Kaiser> ok. i know what that is *g*
2008-05-18 08:48 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-05-18 08:48 < Leslie_S> Our semis are a bit different than your lorries. iirc, yours are mostly cab-over (flat front, cab over engine, whole cab tilts forward for engine access...)
2008-05-18 08:48 < Kamping_Kaiser> sounds about right
2008-05-18 08:48 < Leslie_S> and ours are almost 100% conventionals, which have a bigass hood, and are about 6 feet longer
2008-05-18 08:49 < Kamping_Kaiser> hardly see any of those around here
2008-05-18 08:49 < Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, i'll brb
2008-05-18 08:49 < Leslie_S> yeah, and for good reason
2008-05-18 08:49 < Werdna> Leslie_S: what's an ass-hood?
2008-05-18 08:49 < Leslie_S> over there, the length of the total vehicle is restricted, so a cab-over allows you to pull a longer trailer.
2008-05-18 08:50 < Leslie_S> over here, they used to do that, and thats why we used to have a lot of cabovers. now, they just limit the length of the trailer
2008-05-18 08:50 < Leslie_S> Werdna ....
2008-05-18 08:51 < Werdna> http://xkcd.com/37/
2008-05-18 08:52 < Leslie_S> so uhm, im in truck driving school, so we're driving around trucks that have had the bed removed and seats installed in its place. a group of 5 students goes on the road with an instructor, and the students take turns driving.
2008-05-18 08:52 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, interesting
2008-05-18 08:52 < Leslie_S> nice werdna
2008-05-18 08:52 < Leslie_S> hey, im gonna run up and grab the last of the free continental breakfast...they stop serving in 8 minutes!
2008-05-18 08:52 < Kamping_Kaiser> :O go go go !
2008-05-18 08:53 < Werdna> Leslie_S: there are beds in trucks?
2008-05-18 08:54 < Kamping_Kaiser> i always think of beds+utes, not beds+trucks *grin*
2008-05-18 09:06 < Leslie_S> nice
2008-05-18 09:07 < Leslie_S> i locked myself out of my room when i did that
2008-05-18 09:07 < Leslie_S> Werdna the big ones that people sleep in, yes.
2008-05-18 09:07 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser when i say bed, i mean.....an actual bed. that you sleep in.
2008-05-18 09:07 < Leslie_S> these particular trucks actually have two beds normally
2008-05-18 09:07 < Kamping_Kaiser> *blink*
2008-05-18 09:08 < Leslie_S> and heh, if i keep eating like this, im gonna look like a truck driver ;/
2008-05-18 09:08 * ThePolecat reads today's FA but has some difficulty doing so
2008-05-18 09:08 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser the technical term is "sleeping berth", but i call it a bed.
2008-05-18 09:08 < kim_bruning> I always see trucks parked at truck-parks along freeways
2008-05-18 09:08 * Kamping_Kaiser wonders if it would be tasteless to say to Leslie_S 'pix or it hasnt happened' ;)
2008-05-18 09:08 * kim_bruning has never seen one, and wonders if it's comfortable
2008-05-18 09:09 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser I'll take pictures this week.
2008-05-18 09:09 * kim_bruning knows that certain boeing-747 aircraft have a sleeping area on board for the crew
2008-05-18 09:09 < kim_bruning> (I NEVER knew this)
2008-05-18 09:09 < Leslie_S> Woah, neato.
2008-05-18 09:09 < kim_bruning> and it's not in the bulge either, it's aft
2008-05-18 09:10 < Leslie_S> kim_bruning: You can upgrade the mattress though, so it can really be as comfortable as you want it to be.
2008-05-18 09:10 < Leslie_S> I slept in a truck a couple of times when i was a kid, but i dont really remember how comfortable they were.
2008-05-18 09:10 < kim_bruning> Leslie_S, plenty of room?
2008-05-18 09:10 < Leslie_S> kim_bruning its about the size of a twin size bed, and theres an extra 6 inches of non-bed at the foot of the bed on the passenger side, usually.
2008-05-18 09:11 < Kamping_Kaiser> didnt realise there was that much room in there
2008-05-18 09:11 < Leslie_S> kim_bruning the trucks with the tall sleepers (easy to tell...look for windows at the very top) are big enough to stand on the bed, but they have another bunk that folds out above the normal one, and it gets a bit cramped when thats folded out.
2008-05-18 09:12 < Leslie_S> hm, maybe its not a twin bed. but....my company told me to bring twin sheets.
2008-05-18 09:13 < kim_bruning> twin sheets?
2008-05-18 09:13 < kim_bruning> Ohhhh Booyyyyy
2008-05-18 09:13 < Leslie_S> ...
2008-05-18 09:13 < kim_bruning> maybe I'm thinking wrong :-P
2008-05-18 09:13 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-05-18 09:14 < Leslie_S> now, kim_bruning, i suppose youve seen those trucks with the extremely large sleepers?
2008-05-18 09:14 < Leslie_S> you can get aftermarket sleepers put on your truck, from the outside they look like this huge cube on the back of the truck...but, those can basically be a studio apartment
2008-05-18 09:15 < Leslie_S> ive never been in one, but i guess some of them have a little kitchen in them, a bathroom, a shower...
2008-05-18 09:15 < kim_bruning> wow
2008-05-18 09:15 < Leslie_S> it costs $30,000 to get the sleeper, and then you have to get it installed.....and im sure installation is expensive, since you have to extend the frame on the truck
2008-05-18 09:16 < Leslie_S> and tractors cost about $150,000 anyway, so these trucks are $200,000+ ...ouch!
2008-05-18 09:16 < kim_bruning> wow
2008-05-18 09:16 < kim_bruning> very
2008-05-18 09:16 < kim_bruning> must be useful at times though
2008-05-18 09:16 < kim_bruning> means you can stay on the road indefinitely
2008-05-18 09:16 < kim_bruning> http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=168823
2008-05-18 09:16 < kim_bruning> wtf?
2008-05-18 09:17 < Leslie_S> well, you can stay on the road indefinitely in a regular truck anyway
2008-05-18 09:17 < Leslie_S> big truckstops have showers and coin laundries
2008-05-18 09:17 < Leslie_S> its just not very comfortable
2008-05-18 09:18 < kim_bruning> I see
2008-05-18 09:18 < Leslie_S> the company im going to be working for in a week (im in their company sponsored training program right now) wants me to be on the road for 20+ days, with a week off every month (or so they claim)
2008-05-18 09:18 < kim_bruning> so the advantage of this kind of truck is that it's more comfortable?
2008-05-18 09:18 < kim_bruning> wow
2008-05-18 09:18 < kim_bruning> but that week off sounds cool
2008-05-18 09:18 < kim_bruning> do truck stops have wi-fi?
2008-05-18 09:18 < kim_bruning> :-)
2008-05-18 09:18 < Leslie_S> kim_bruning well, yeah. you dont have to be cramped up in an 8 foot by 8 foot closet
2008-05-18 09:19 < Leslie_S> kim_bruning yes, damn near everywhere has wifi
2008-05-18 09:19 < kim_bruning> :-P
2008-05-18 09:19 * kim_bruning presumes it's not a good idea to use internet while driving
2008-05-18 09:19 < kim_bruning> are there special qualifications needed for driving trucks?
2008-05-18 09:19 < kim_bruning> (besides the appropriate drivers license)
2008-05-18 09:20 < Leslie_S> You cant be so fat or crippled that you cant climb into the truck, or under the trailer, or onto the catwalk (behind the tractor, you have to climb up there to connect the airlines/electrical cable to the trailer)
2008-05-18 09:21 < kim_bruning> do you need to follow special defensive driving courses, etc?
2008-05-18 09:21 < Leslie_S> no
2008-05-18 09:21 < Leslie_S> Infact, you should hear how the school tells me to drive
2008-05-18 09:22 < Leslie_S> essentially, "fuck them"
2008-05-18 09:23 < Leslie_S> i have to make atleast one complete trip with a decent score on this stupid "safesim" driving simulator, where you basically drive a truck for an hour or so, and every hazard that could possibly happen happens
2008-05-18 09:24 < Leslie_S> deer, cow, etc run out in front of you, people run out in front of you, cars pull out in front of you, 2x4s are laying across the freeway, etc.
2008-05-18 09:25 < Leslie_S> and in the classroom training, there was a bit about handling these situations...but it was mostly obvious stuff, plus some stuff thats special for trucks because of their extremely poor stopping
2008-05-18 09:25 < Kamping_Kaiser> :/
2008-05-18 09:25 < Leslie_S> the license is hard to get....you have to go to school for it, which lasts between 3 months and 3 weeks (im in the three week course, and its REALLY pushing it), and costs $5000
2008-05-18 09:25 < Kamping_Kaiser> i'm thinking about getting a heavy vehicls (eg truck) licence
2008-05-18 09:27 < Leslie_S> and even after you get the license, you cant get a job without agreeing to a month or so of on-the-job training over-the-road, a whole month in the truck with some guy youve never met before
2008-05-18 09:28 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, that all sounds pretty crap. are all vehicles that hard to get a licence for over there?
2008-05-18 09:28 < Leslie_S> the way i did it was i found a company that would agree to sponsor my training, and basically i have a contract to work for them for 8 months, and if i dont pay them, i owe them money. and i have to pay some of it back in the form of paycheck deductions
2008-05-18 09:28 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser no, just commercial vehicles.
2008-05-18 09:28 < Leslie_S> its stupidly easy to get a car driving license here....no training at all required.
2008-05-18 09:29 < Kamping_Kaiser> weird
2008-05-18 09:29 < Leslie_S> and hell, a lot of people who graduate from the school im in and get their commercial drivers license (CDL) still cant drive!
2008-05-18 09:31 < Leslie_S> most of what im learning right now is how to back it up, and how to shift it. driving on the freeway is super easy, but the brakes are completely different from a car, and the shifting is just...extreme
2008-05-18 09:32 < Leslie_S> heck, i stalled it in an intersection yesterday, i was trying to shift from first to second before i made a left turn, in the middle of the intersection (you HAVE to do this, you can only go like 2mph in first gear), and i managed to bump the range selector switch, and it went into 7th gear, and stalled it :P
2008-05-18 09:32 * Kamping_Kaiser is having a bad case of 'your part of the world is crazy'
2008-05-18 09:33 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, hehe.
2008-05-18 09:33 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser your part of the world is pretty crazy too, dont forget that.
2008-05-18 09:33 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, how many gears do youhave?
2008-05-18 09:33 < Cream> hi Leslie_S :)
2008-05-18 09:33 < Leslie_S> its a 10 speed
2008-05-18 09:33 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, no joke. probably more so
2008-05-18 09:33 < Leslie_S> some trucks have MORE
2008-05-18 09:33 < Kamping_Kaiser> :|
2008-05-18 09:33 < Leslie_S> 10 speed is the most common transmission in these trucks
2008-05-18 09:34 < Leslie_S> theres also 13 speeds, and more.
2008-05-18 09:34 * Kamping_Kaiser has trouble keeping up with 5
2008-05-18 09:34 * Cream huggles Leslie_S
2008-05-18 09:34 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-05-18 09:35 < Leslie_S> were supposed to try to get it into 4th gear before we make that left turn in that intersection
2008-05-18 09:35 < Leslie_S> 4th gear goes like 12mph
2008-05-18 09:37 < Leslie_S> for gears past 6th gear, you can figure out how fast they go with some simple math......7 is 5+2, and 7th maxes out at 25mph. 8 is 3+5, and 8th maxes out at 35. 9th maxes out at 45. 10th can go any legal speed above 45
2008-05-18 09:38 < ThePolecat> Many would argue that this sentence contains weasel words.
2008-05-18 09:38 < Kamping_Kaiser> s is 2+5.. to be consistant?
2008-05-18 09:39 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser huh?
2008-05-18 09:39 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, nm.
2008-05-18 09:39 * Kamping_Kaiser is pattern matching
2008-05-18 09:40 < Leslie_S> lower gears are a bit more forgiving, a lot of them only have like 4 mph difference..
2008-05-18 09:40 < Leslie_S> so you can just jam it in a gear
2008-05-18 09:43 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser hey, did i mention that these trucks have to be double clutched?
2008-05-18 09:44 < Leslie_S> in general, trying to shift like a car will result in grinding gears and getting stuck in neutral
2008-05-18 09:44 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, no, you didnt :|
2008-05-18 09:44 < Kamping_Kaiser> they sound like a lot more effort then their worth tbh
2008-05-18 09:48 < Leslie_S> its......not hard
2008-05-18 09:48 < Leslie_S> theyre pretty easy to drive
2008-05-18 09:48 < Leslie_S> to upshift, you just clutch, neutral, clutch, upshift
2008-05-18 09:48 < Leslie_S> you have to do that in about 2 seconds, but thats enough time that you dont have to throw the shifter around like a race car driver
2008-05-18 09:49 < Leslie_S> downshifting is the hard part, you have to clutch, neutral, push the fuel pedal quickly to rev the engine to 1500 rpm, and the downshift
2008-05-18 09:50 < Kamping_Kaiser> 1500more-or-less exactly, or somewhere bwetween 1-2k rpm?
2008-05-18 09:50 < Leslie_S> 1500 more or less exactly. if you accidently rev it to 2000 or so, it just takes a half second or so longer to put it into gear
2008-05-18 09:51 < Leslie_S> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_transmission#Unsynchronized_transmission
2008-05-18 09:51 * Kamping_Kaiser will have to learn to drive before going for his Heavy vehicles licecnce *g*
2008-05-18 09:52 < Leslie_S> Kamping_Kaiser here, you have to have a drivers license for 2 years to get a cdl
2008-05-18 09:53 < Leslie_S> anyway, most truck drivers dont use the clutch except for starting/stopping
2008-05-18 09:53 < Kamping_Kaiser> Leslie_S, no idea about the specifics of the rules here
2008-05-18 09:54 < Leslie_S> But when you get the license, you have to double clutch
2008-05-18 09:54 < Leslie_S> and when you get a job, theyll take you for an orientation road test, to make sure you can drive it ok. they expect you to double clutch.
2008-05-18 09:55 * Kamping_Kaiser nods
2008-05-18 10:00 < Cream> Leslie_S, would you drive a bus?
2008-05-18 10:10 < cow_2001> re:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallin#Enzyme_activity "happy accident": not NPOV