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2008-05-17 00:15 < Lubaf> ARISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!
2008-05-17 00:15 < Lubaf> POWER UP!
2008-05-17 00:15 < Alkivar> background-image: url("IMAGE")
2008-05-17 00:15 < Lubaf> WELCOME TO YOUR DOOM!
2008-05-17 00:15 < Alkivar> my bad
2008-05-17 00:15 < Messedrocker> <div style="width:100%; background-image:url("bg.jpg")>
2008-05-17 00:15 < Messedrocker> very odd looking
2008-05-17 00:16 < Alkivar> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html
2008-05-17 00:16 < Alkivar> thats what the CSS 2.1 standard defines :)
2008-05-17 00:16 < quanticle> "It’s one of those phrases that trips lightly off the
2008-05-17 00:16 < quanticle> editorial writer’s keyboard: “The international
2008-05-17 00:16 < quanticle> community should consider….” “The international
2008-05-17 00:16 < quanticle> community should act….” But the phrase
2008-05-17 00:16 < quanticle> more often obscures than illuminates.
2008-05-17 00:16 < quanticle> Whoops
2008-05-17 00:16 * quanticle didn't realize there were \n's there
2008-05-17 00:16 < Alkivar> Messedrocker: you need another " in that
2008-05-17 00:16 < Alkivar> <div style="width:100%; background-image:url("bg.jpg")">
2008-05-17 00:16 < Messedrocker> oh right
2008-05-17 00:17 < Messedrocker> still not working
2008-05-17 00:17 < Alkivar> is bg.jpg in the same folder as the html file?
2008-05-17 00:17 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-05-17 00:17 < Alkivar> try putting the background image before the width statment
2008-05-17 00:17 < Lubaf> ICE CUBE WARNING! ICE CUBE WARNING!
2008-05-17 00:17 < Lubaf> REBOMB! REBOMB!
2008-05-17 00:18 < Lubaf> RAINBOW MULTIPLIER!
2008-05-17 00:18 < quanticle> Lubaf: Katamari Damacy?
2008-05-17 00:19 < Lubaf> quanticle: Wetrix.
2008-05-17 00:19 < Alkivar> Messed it may also be sensitive to the space between the colon and url
2008-05-17 00:20 < Messedrocker> oh?
2008-05-17 00:21 < gwern> 'When McCain once misplaced his feather, there was momentary panic in the campaign, until his wife found it in one of his suits. When the compass went missing once, McCain assigned his political director to hunt it down.'
2008-05-17 00:21 < gwern> "Is it too much to ask that a Presidential candidate feel like he can function without his lucky feather?"
2008-05-17 00:21 < quanticle> Lubaf: Sweet - you get points for blowing up ducks.
2008-05-17 00:22 < Alkivar> did you hear who McCain is considering for a running made?
2008-05-17 00:22 < Alkivar> err mate
2008-05-17 00:22 < quanticle> gwern: Source?
2008-05-17 00:22 < Lubaf> quanticle: Yeah.
2008-05-17 00:22 < Alkivar> Carly Fiorina ... former head of HP
2008-05-17 00:22 < Alkivar> lolol
2008-05-17 00:22 < Alkivar> that'll be a fucking bomb if he does that
2008-05-17 00:22 < gwern> 'Don't try to pass a salt shaker to John McCain. He won't take it from your hand because it's bad luck.
2008-05-17 00:22 < gwern> The Arizona senator also won't throw a hat on a bed — it means death will soon visit the household — but he regularly carries 31 cents in lucky change in his pocket.'
2008-05-17 00:22 < quanticle> Alkivar: ORLY? I thought the lead candidate was the esteemed Governor of Minnesota - Tim Pawlenty.
2008-05-17 00:22 < gwern> quanticle: http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080416/NATION/132876017/1002/NATION
2008-05-17 00:22 < Alkivar> she is quite possibly the stupidest CEO in the history of CEOs as far as i am concerned
2008-05-17 00:23 < Alkivar> quanticle: Tim Pawlenty may be his #1 choice... but i know he's broached the subject with more than one person
2008-05-17 00:23 < gwern> 'Irish, indeed. On St. Patrick's Day in Chicago, "this guy had a lucky four-leaf clover that was laminated," Miss Buchanan said. "He pulled it out of his pocket and told the senator it had brought him good luck, and now the senator carries it around in his wallet."
2008-05-17 00:23 < gwern> "Am I superstitious? I'm that," Mr. McCain said. "But I don't think I'm alone there."'
2008-05-17 00:23 < gwern> man, mccain is really rying to imitate reagen huh
2008-05-17 00:24 < gwern> let's hope his wife doesn't start scheduling meetings based on astrology...
2008-05-17 00:24 < Alkivar> Quanticle: see these for her chances:
2008-05-17 00:24 < Alkivar> http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8493666
2008-05-17 00:24 < Alkivar> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/10/mccain_fiorina_sitting_in_tree/
2008-05-17 00:24 < Messedrocker> which color goes good with purple and black?
2008-05-17 00:25 < quanticle> gwern: The funny thing is that this sort of folk superstition is more likely to resonate with voters than backfire.
2008-05-17 00:25 < bumm13> Messedrocker: actual color?
2008-05-17 00:25 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-05-17 00:25 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Purple and black? What the hell kind of goth color scheme is this?
2008-05-17 00:25 < Alkivar> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQ_66yuOllKfOv1Awj7MnHXHpVhgD90MT2IG2
2008-05-17 00:25 < bumm13> neither red nor blue
2008-05-17 00:25 < Alkivar> Messedrocker: yellow
2008-05-17 00:25 < gwern> hey, trivia question: try to guess what 'poetaster' means
2008-05-17 00:25 < bumm13> (and silver/gray probably isn't what you had in mind)
2008-05-17 00:26 < gwern> quanticle: funny? if by funny, you mean sad...
2008-05-17 00:26 < Alkivar> Yellow/Purple is a good color pair
2008-05-17 00:26 < Alkivar> and black goes with anything
2008-05-17 00:26 < quanticle> bumm13: I don't know. Perhaps a dark blue might be ok. But, as I stated earlier, purple + black probably isn't the best color scheme to start out with.
2008-05-17 00:26 < bumm13> green contrasts poorly with purple
2008-05-17 00:26 < bumm13> quanticle: yeah
2008-05-17 00:26 < Messedrocker> ok, forget the black
2008-05-17 00:26 < Messedrocker> what color goes well with purple
2008-05-17 00:26 < Alkivar> bumm13: your color wheel (if you memorized it like me) would tell you yellow :)
2008-05-17 00:26 < quanticle> Alkivar: To be honest, I find purple + yellow to be too much contrast.
2008-05-17 00:27 < Alkivar> you should be using yellow only as an accent color
2008-05-17 00:27 < bumm13> hmm, a carpenter art just crawled in my window
2008-05-17 00:27 < bumm13> *ant
2008-05-17 00:27 < Alkivar> purple/amber is another decent color pair
2008-05-17 00:27 * quanticle would have been more amused if it really was a carpenter art
2008-05-17 00:27 < quanticle> Alkivar: Amber would be nicer than yellow.
2008-05-17 00:27 < Alkivar> and very traditional (going back to medieval period)
2008-05-17 00:28 < bumm13> I hope her buddies don't follow her in here ;p
2008-05-17 00:28 < gwern> oddly, 'poetaster' means 'an inferior poet, a poet not of the first rank'; has nothing to do with Poe or tasting
2008-05-17 00:28 < quanticle> bumm13: Huh? Oh, yeah - worker ants are all female.
2008-05-17 00:29 < The359> boo
2008-05-17 00:29 * The359 now has the 10th oldest GA nomination without review
2008-05-17 00:29 < quanticle> NP: Paul Oakenfold - Southern Sun
2008-05-17 00:32 < gwern> '
2008-05-17 00:32 < gwern> 4/9/07 • I'm not entirely sure why, but I searched ACM and IEEE for all papers with "Considered Harmful" in the title. The length of this list should substantiate my claim that that phrase should be banned from the literature. I was pleased to find that someone has already formed the same opinion as me but actually bothered to justify it: see "Considered Harmful" Essays Considered Harmful.'
2008-05-17 00:32 < gwern> http://jeff.over.bz/?04_Miscellaneous/03_Considered_Harmful
2008-05-17 00:33 < gwern> '
2008-05-17 00:33 < gwern> '
2008-05-17 00:33 < gwern> Knowledge considered harmful
2008-05-17 00:33 < gwern> Scott, P.D.; Markovitch, S.'
2008-05-17 00:34 < quanticle> "Adopting that suggestion, one regularly discovers that terms of political discourse are used with a doctrinal meaning that is crucially different from the literal one."
2008-05-17 00:34 < Messedrocker> how do i declare font color?
2008-05-17 00:35 < bumm13> "Text editor, I'd like to declare my intention to change the font color"
2008-05-17 00:36 < quanticle> "One such term is the "international community". The literal sense is reasonably clear - the UN General Assembly is a fair first approximation. But the term is regularly used in a technical sense to describe the US, its allies, and its clients. Therefore, it is impossible for the US to defy the international community."
2008-05-17 00:36 * bumm13 NP: Kiss - Psycho Circus (1998)
2008-05-17 00:36 < gwern> "I/O considered harmful (at least for the first few weeks)"
2008-05-17 00:36 < bumm13> the latter seems dubious to me
2008-05-17 00:37 < quanticle> Light techno + foreign policy + #wikipedia + no more school = relaxing
2008-05-17 00:37 * bumm13 hasn't been to school in about 7� years
2008-05-17 00:37 < quanticle> gwern: "Hello World Considered Harmful"
2008-05-17 00:38 * bumm13 needs to actually open up his PC and look around at what drive cables/connectors it has
2008-05-17 00:39 < The359> hmmm
2008-05-17 00:39 * The359 was wrong
2008-05-17 00:39 * The359 has the 5th oldest untouched GA
2008-05-17 00:40 < The359> nominee
2008-05-17 00:42 < Messedrocker> hmm
2008-05-17 00:42 < Messedrocker> as attributes there is padding and then there is...
2008-05-17 00:43 < Alkivar> Messedrocker: margin
2008-05-17 00:44 < gwern> http://static.flickr.com/15/19723356_927ddbddf2_o.jpg <-- are those shrimp or crawdads?
2008-05-17 00:44 < Alkivar> Messedrocker: as for font color its simply "color: ######"
2008-05-17 00:45 < Messedrocker> yep
2008-05-17 00:45 < Messedrocker> i figured that out with a google
2008-05-17 00:47 < gwern> ah well. I'll call'em shrimp
2008-05-17 00:47 < gwern> the crustacean god will know his own!
2008-05-17 00:47 < Alkivar> Messedrocker: use w3's CSS validator when your done... it'll save you a few headaches in the long run
2008-05-17 00:47 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-05-17 00:47 < Messedrocker> my first goal is W3C Transitional
2008-05-17 00:48 < Messedrocker> then W3C Strict
2008-05-17 00:48 < The359> Crawdads look more like lobsters, gwern
2008-05-17 00:48 < The359> they have claws
2008-05-17 00:49 < Alkivar> Messedrocker: there is no transitional or strict for CSS ... thats purely for XHTML/HTML
2008-05-17 00:49 < Messedrocker> err yes
2008-05-17 00:49 < Messedrocker> that is my goal for HTML
2008-05-17 00:49 < Alkivar> CSS uses a different validator
2008-05-17 00:49 < Messedrocker> my goal for HTML is to have it Transitional then Strict
2008-05-17 00:50 < Alkivar> dont bother using strict HTML... if your goal is to go strict... you might as well just use XHTML 1.1
2008-05-17 00:50 < Messedrocker> xhtml? pfft
2008-05-17 00:50 < Messedrocker> anyways, what's the difference between html and xhtml?
2008-05-17 00:50 < Alkivar> XHTML 1.1 is way stricter
2008-05-17 00:51 < Alkivar> it throws out all sorts of old kludgy ways of doing things
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> oh
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> but kludges are cool
2008-05-17 00:51 < Alkivar> its also XML based HTML
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> meh
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> i remember the good old days of HTML 4.0
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> and font tags
2008-05-17 00:51 < Alkivar> its modular HTML
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> and using tables for formatting websites
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> and CSS? pfft.
2008-05-17 00:51 < Alkivar> fuck that... dude i still have a hardcover copy of HTML 2.0 standard
2008-05-17 00:51 < Messedrocker> neat
2008-05-17 00:52 < Alkivar> seriously though... XHTML is where everything is going these days
2008-05-17 00:52 < Alkivar> you should really learn it
2008-05-17 00:52 < Alkivar> it just requires being more strict with your coding
2008-05-17 00:52 < Alkivar> no uppercase/lowercase mix matched tags
2008-05-17 00:52 < Messedrocker> WHAT!
2008-05-17 00:52 < Alkivar> it requires every tag to be properly closed
2008-05-17 00:53 < Alkivar> like if you have an img
2008-05-17 00:53 < Alkivar> its <img src="link" />
2008-05-17 00:53 < Messedrocker> well i have no problem with tag closing
2008-05-17 00:53 < Messedrocker> i already do <img src="stuff" alt="yadda" />
2008-05-17 00:53 < Alkivar> since there is no </img?
2008-05-17 00:53 < Messedrocker> gotta have alt
2008-05-17 00:53 < Alkivar> actually you dont really need alt to be standards compliant.... but its a good idea
2008-05-17 00:53 < pengo> alt="annoying irrelevant text for screen readers"
2008-05-17 00:54 < Alkivar> pengo: its required for govt sites due to compliance
2008-05-17 00:54 < kmccoy> Christ. If there ever was a country which needed some war-hungry president to set his sights on it, it's Myanmar.
2008-05-17 00:54 < pengo> which govt?
2008-05-17 00:54 < Messedrocker> pengo, US
2008-05-17 00:54 < Alkivar> US Govt... 508
2008-05-17 00:54 < Messedrocker> the US Government is a standards whore
2008-05-17 00:54 < Alkivar> http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/guide/1194.22.htm
2008-05-17 00:55 < Messedrocker> Alkivar, isn't there also that Bobby standard?
2008-05-17 00:55 < Alkivar> thats not really used that often Messed... 508 is really the only one applied
2008-05-17 00:55 < kmccoy> "It's true ... that natural catastrophes were not included because at the time nobody thought that any government would dare to refuse some help to its own population in case of natural catastrophes,"
2008-05-17 00:55 < Alkivar> 508 is required for ADA compliance
2008-05-17 00:56 < Messedrocker> pengo, alt text isn't supposed to be irrelevant
2008-05-17 00:56 < Messedrocker> it's supposed to provide a caption
2008-05-17 00:56 < pengo> Messedrocker: yes i know
2008-05-17 00:56 < Alkivar> Question: #8
2008-05-17 00:56 < Alkivar> Is BOBBY a Standard?
2008-05-17 00:56 < Alkivar> Answer:
2008-05-17 00:56 < Alkivar> No. "Bobby" was an web markup accessibility checker developed by the Center for Applied Special Technology (CAST), and later sold to the Watchfire group.
2008-05-17 00:57 < Alkivar> Bobby checks for Section 508 compliance was only partial at best, and did not guarantee accessibility of web pages
2008-05-17 00:59 < bumm13> hiya kmccoy
2008-05-17 00:59 < kmccoy> Hey, bumm13.
2008-05-17 00:59 < gwern> kmccoy: north korea is already more in need of invasion
2008-05-17 00:59 < kmccoy> Perhaps.
2008-05-17 00:59 < pengo> because they're not standards compliant?
2008-05-17 00:59 < gwern> *arguably, not already
2008-05-17 01:00 < kmccoy> This is just such a glaring thing at the moment.
2008-05-17 01:00 * bumm13 wonders where he should stash his DVDs at...
2008-05-17 01:00 < kmccoy> I'm sure it'll fade away after half a million people die from the lack of aid, and no one will care.
2008-05-17 01:00 < bumm13> these things are always distribution problems
2008-05-17 01:01 < pengo> americans are so good at invading. i'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms.
2008-05-17 01:01 < bumm13> the U.S. was so great helping Katrina victims, too!
2008-05-17 01:01 < kmccoy> I don't think you can really compare the two.
2008-05-17 01:02 < pengo> both were major cockups by US govt
2008-05-17 01:02 < pengo> were/are
2008-05-17 01:02 < kmccoy> I mean, you can, but I think it's such a vastly more disasterous situation there that it's almost insensitive to do so.
2008-05-17 01:02 < pengo> were/are/potentially will be
2008-05-17 01:02 < kmccoy> pengo, how so?
2008-05-17 01:03 < pengo> katrina was, iraq is, invading north korea by the US will be.
2008-05-17 01:03 < quanticle> I don't think invasion is the best way to fix any humanitarian crisis. Armies are designed to break things, not put them back together.
2008-05-17 01:03 < bumm13> Burma/Myanmar also is a smaller country
2008-05-17 01:03 < bumm13> the U.S. isn't going to invade N. Korea
2008-05-17 01:03 < pengo> if it were to be done
2008-05-17 01:03 < gwern> unfortunately
2008-05-17 01:03 < kmccoy> pengo, oh, I thought the comparison was between Katrina and the cyclone in Myanmar.
2008-05-17 01:03 < Messedrocker> Alkivar, my page achieved HTML 4.01 Transitional once I put a doctype in and that's it
2008-05-17 01:03 < pengo> someone mentioned n korea
2008-05-17 01:03 < Demi> quanticle - but there are people who are good at putting things back together, and an army could in theory remove the obstacle
2008-05-17 01:04 < bumm13> as long as China and India look the other way, nothing further can be done regarding the tragedy/disaster in Burma
2008-05-17 01:04 < bumm13> their inaction helps prop up the junta in Burma
2008-05-17 01:04 < quanticle> Demi: But, would that be the best way to get aid to those who need it? Arguably, wasting time with an invasion that turns the people against you hampers the delivery of aid and supplies.
2008-05-17 01:05 < Demi> quanticle - best way? as opposed to what?
2008-05-17 01:06 < bumm13> I think military action would be more of an option if it wasn't just those from outside South/SE Asia on an international "police action"
2008-05-17 01:06 < quanticle> Demi: As opposed to negotiation and international pressure. Lets take a concrete example: North Korea. Can you honestly say that having American Marines kick down the door would get aid to starving civilians faster than the current policy of diplomatic pressure?
2008-05-17 01:06 < bumm13> otherwise you get the whole "get the U.S. out of our country" issue
2008-05-17 01:06 < Demi> quanticle - i was just talking about kmccoy's suggestion
2008-05-17 01:07 < pengo> US have zero credibility nowadays. They need to work through the UN or something.
2008-05-17 01:07 < SWATJester> quanticle: yes.
2008-05-17 01:07 < bumm13> yeah, if such a thing could be done
2008-05-17 01:07 < BoL> /join #leifswolfbot
2008-05-17 01:07 < kmccoy> It wasn't a solid suggestion. I'm just frustrated at the news reports I keep seeing about Myanmar fucking things up even more.
2008-05-17 01:08 < bumm13> kmccoy: of course, it's terrible
2008-05-17 01:08 < bumm13> Ethiopia was bad in the 80s, Somalia from the early 90s on, etc.
2008-05-17 01:08 < scorchsaber> Hey guys, I see a confusing redirect here-- I go for "Medical Doctor", and it redirects to "Doctor of Medicine", which links to an article, and the link is labeled "medical doctors"-- so why wasn't I redirected to where that link goes?
2008-05-17 01:09 < bumm13> what's wrong with [[Doctor of Medicine]] ?
2008-05-17 01:09 < scorchsaber> On that link, even, it lists "medical doctor' as a synonym http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician
2008-05-17 01:09 < bumm13> that's the established term
2008-05-17 01:09 < scorchsaber> bumm13: No, you misread
2008-05-17 01:09 < SWATJester> I don't see it as wrong
2008-05-17 01:09 < bumm13> yeah, but an article can only have one name
2008-05-17 01:09 < scorchsaber> I said that what was wrong was the "Medical Doctor" redirected there
2008-05-17 01:09 < scorchsaber> bumm13: it can have redirects.
2008-05-17 01:10 < SWATJester> Medical Doctor redirects to Doctor of Medicine, which is the degree
2008-05-17 01:10 < Messedrocker> http://persiam.org/beta/test.html
2008-05-17 01:10 < SWATJester> the abbreviation is M.D.
2008-05-17 01:10 < bumm13> you just said it did have a redirect
2008-05-17 01:10 < kmccoy> scorchsaber, I think the reasoning is that Medical Doctor, as capitalized, is a sort of Englishified version of what MD stands for.
2008-05-17 01:10 < scorchsaber> SWATJester: And yet Medical Doctor is a synonym for physician, not for a doctorate.
2008-05-17 01:10 < bumm13> I'm not following you at all
2008-05-17 01:10 < pengo> "Medical doctor" (lowercase) redirects to Physician
2008-05-17 01:10 < scorchsaber> kmccoy: The whole thing is ridiculous. It has a link, first line or so, saying "here's the *real* medical doctor*. it's... strange.
2008-05-17 01:11 < scorchsaber> pengo: Now that's really confusing. :(
2008-05-17 01:11 < Demi> i'm pretty sure DOs can use MDs if they wish, at least in the u.s.
2008-05-17 01:11 < pengo> "Medical Doctor" redirects to "Doctor of Medicine"
2008-05-17 01:11 < Demi> i had a friend who was going into a DO program
2008-05-17 01:11 < Alkivar> When I got home last night my gf demanded I take her somewhere expensive.
2008-05-17 01:11 < Alkivar> so i took her to a gas station
2008-05-17 01:11 < kmccoy> scorchsaber, I wouldn't go so far as to call it ridiculous. I can see the logic to either redirect.
2008-05-17 01:11 < pengo> should "medical doctor" be a disambiguation page?
2008-05-17 01:11 < scorchsaber> kmccoy: But a degree is not a doctor, it might be a doctorate*, but..
2008-05-17 01:11 < scorchsaber> pengo: Best of both worlds.
2008-05-17 01:12 < Working_Cat> MWUAHAHAHAHAh
2008-05-17 01:12 < kmccoy> scorchsaber, yes, but you wouldn't normally capitalize it as "Medical Doctor" if you were referring to an individual.
2008-05-17 01:12 < Alkivar> Torrential rain has been hampering relief efforts in the Chinese earthquake zone....
2008-05-17 01:12 < Alkivar> Luckily for survivors, it's been raining cats and dogs
2008-05-17 01:12 < bumm13> given the situation, it probably makes more sense to redirect to the degree and not the profession itself
2008-05-17 01:12 < bumm13> that, too
2008-05-17 01:13 < bumm13> in fact, "Medical doctor" does just that (redirects to [[Physician]])
2008-05-17 01:13 < Alkivar> David Blaine today broke the world record for holding his breath on Oprah - 17 minutes and four seconds. Blaine has now frozen himself, he's starved himself, he's gone without sleep for weeks, and deprived himself of oxygen. Today, USA officials at Guantanamo Bay said, "See, it's not torture. It's magic."
2008-05-17 01:13 < Working_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxThvhtoqG8&NR=1 <--- there it goes
2008-05-17 01:13 < scorchsaber> kmccoy: I would.
2008-05-17 01:13 < kmccoy> scorchsaber, then you would be incorrect.
2008-05-17 01:13 < scorchsaber> kmccoy: I'm used to all encyclopedia entries being capitalized.
2008-05-17 01:13 < scorchsaber> kmccoy: No, I wouldn't-- it's the title of a page,.
2008-05-17 01:13 < bumm13> that's ridiculous
2008-05-17 01:13 < kmccoy> scorchsaber, welcome to Wikipedia, where we don't name things that way.
2008-05-17 01:14 < scorchsaber> kmccoy: Yes you do. Every single article has the first letter capitalized, at the least.
2008-05-17 01:14 < bumm13> besides, WP stopped using CamelCase years ago
2008-05-17 01:14 < bumm13> scorchsaber: right, what's your point?
2008-05-17 01:14 < kmccoy> scorchsaber, that's mostly due to technical considerations from way back. We don't automatically title caps every article.
2008-05-17 01:15 < bumm13> (nor should we)
2008-05-17 01:15 < scorchsaber> bumm13: My point got lost when we all started arguing about capitalization.
2008-05-17 01:15 < bumm13> no, it didn't
2008-05-17 01:16 < kmccoy> The capitalization is the reason that the redirect is set up as it is.
2008-05-17 01:16 < bumm13> perhaps it got lost in your attempt to obfuscate whatever point you may have had
2008-05-17 01:16 < scorchsaber> bumm13: Sure it did. Are we discussing "how we do it at wikipedia", or "hey, it's confusing to anybody that does notknow The Way"
2008-05-17 01:16 < scorchsaber> bumm13: I never tried to obfuscate it, ever.
2008-05-17 01:16 < bumm13> straw man
2008-05-17 01:16 < scorchsaber> It's plain as day.
2008-05-17 01:16 < BoL> anyone up for a game of mafia/werwolf?
2008-05-17 01:16 < scorchsaber> bumm13: You're straww-manning by claiming tried to obfuscate, christ.
2008-05-17 01:17 < kmccoy> scorchsaber, we attempt... erm, okay.
2008-05-17 01:17 < BoL> uhoh
2008-05-17 01:18 < Monobi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI-anYSs5yw&feature=related
2008-05-17 01:18 < Working_Cat> BoL: your turn on senate
2008-05-17 01:18 < gwern> I've never understood how David Blaine is a 'magician'
2008-05-17 01:18 < BoL> :o
2008-05-17 01:19 < arekz> Hello
2008-05-17 01:19 < bumm13> hi
2008-05-17 01:19 < Working_Cat> gwern: much the same way as cheney is not.
2008-05-17 01:19 < arekz> I am one of the contributors of Tagalog Wikipedia, can I ask assistance here.
2008-05-17 01:19 < bumm13> yes
2008-05-17 01:19 < Working_Cat> quanticle
2008-05-17 01:19 < quanticle> Yo
2008-05-17 01:20 < Working_Cat> sup
2008-05-17 01:20 < Working_Cat> oh, i didnt read earlier msgs... whats mafia/werewolf
2008-05-17 01:20 < arekz> We do have "stub" notice in our wiki. Its Tagalog translation is somewhat twisted and poorly translated. I have attempted to request its revision, but to no avail, it remains the same way.
2008-05-17 01:20 < Working_Cat> quanticle: im about to teach my comp Risk... wanna help?
2008-05-17 01:20 < arekz> Is there someone here who can make the changes to a protected page
2008-05-17 01:21 < bumm13> a steward could
2008-05-17 01:21 < bumm13> we have so few, though :(
2008-05-17 01:21 < arekz> It seems we have very few administrator there, and they comes only ones in a while
2008-05-17 01:21 < arekz> once*
2008-05-17 01:22 < arekz> I see. I guess, we just have to leave it the way that it is.
2008-05-17 01:22 < bumm13> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards
2008-05-17 01:23 < bumm13> unfortunately, none of the stewards understand Tagalog :(
2008-05-17 01:23 < bumm13> but they could still help (finding one can be difficult)
2008-05-17 01:23 < arekz> Yes. I understand.
2008-05-17 01:24 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Sure
2008-05-17 01:24 < Working_Cat> nice
2008-05-17 01:24 < Working_Cat> its basis is obviously graph theory
2008-05-17 01:24 < Working_Cat> and sundry stuff like setting up the board and calculating stuff like armies, cards and dice rolls.
2008-05-17 01:25 < Working_Cat> now the main part is getting it to make "conscious decisions" as to what to do next.
2008-05-17 01:26 < quanticle> Working_Cat: What sort of algorithm are you using? What's your minimax tree look like?
2008-05-17 01:27 < Working_Cat> wtf is that
2008-05-17 01:27 < bumm13> arekz - join #wikimedia-stewards and they can help you out
2008-05-17 01:27 < Working_Cat> and why would i ask others if i could do that
2008-05-17 01:27 < drini> someone called?
2008-05-17 01:28 < Ziggy_Sawdust> okay...
2008-05-17 01:28 < Ziggy_Sawdust> I just finished reading "Mai-chan's Daily Life"
2008-05-17 01:28 < Ziggy_Sawdust> WHAT...
2008-05-17 01:28 < Ziggy_Sawdust> THE...
2008-05-17 01:28 < Ziggy_Sawdust> FUCK...
2008-05-17 01:29 < bumm13> arekz here needs help on tl: (Tagalog)
2008-05-17 01:35 < planemad> test
2008-05-17 01:35 < pengo> fail
2008-05-17 01:37 < bumm13> SUCCESS!!!!1!!!1!one!
2008-05-17 01:37 < bumm13> \o/
2008-05-17 01:38 < planemad> is wp down?
2008-05-17 01:38 < bumm13> it works for me in North America
2008-05-17 01:38 < planemad> says cant find server
2008-05-17 01:38 < planemad> wtf
2008-05-17 01:39 < planemad> is there some way to check where the prob is?
2008-05-17 01:39 < quanticle> planemad: DNS issues?
2008-05-17 01:39 < planemad> everything else works fine
2008-05-17 01:39 < planemad> even commons opens
2008-05-17 01:40 * FastLizard4|away finished downloading Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS 32-bit desktop i386!
2008-05-17 01:40 < quanticle> planemad: Well, http://en.wikipedia.org loads up just fine for me here.
2008-05-17 01:41 < quanticle> planemad: Can you get to http://208.80.152.2
2008-05-17 01:41 < planemad> yea the ip loads
2008-05-17 01:41 < planemad> says wiki does not exist
2008-05-17 01:41 < bumm13> FastLizard4 - ubuntu-buntu-bu
2008-05-17 01:41 < FastLizard4|away> hehe
2008-05-17 01:41 < FastLizard4|away> hmm
2008-05-17 01:42 * FastLizard4|away wonders if the 699MB .iso image will fit on a 700MB CD-R
2008-05-17 01:42 < bumm13> planemad: when I tracerouted your IP, it said "network protocol unreachable" :x
2008-05-17 01:42 < FastLizard4|away> omg
2008-05-17 01:42 < bumm13> FastLizard4 - it should
2008-05-17 01:42 < FastLizard4|away> bumm13: heh
2008-05-17 01:42 < FastLizard4|away> Although I have had crazy things happen to CDs
2008-05-17 01:43 < planemad> um, so what does that mean
2008-05-17 01:43 < bumm13> no idea
2008-05-17 01:43 < bumm13> could just be some weird issue with your upstream Internet access
2008-05-17 01:43 < V`Ger> planemad bumm13: I think it means that the computer is blocking TCP connections
2008-05-17 01:43 < bumm13> if so, not much can be done
2008-05-17 01:44 < bumm13> V`Ger - that seems odd
2008-05-17 01:44 * Working_Cat rains V2 on V`Ger
2008-05-17 01:44 < bumm13> dude's computer?
2008-05-17 01:44 < V`Ger> bumm13: My intrusion detection on Norton has done that
2008-05-17 01:44 < bumm13> ick, Norton
2008-05-17 01:44 < planemad> it was working fine til about 10min back
2008-05-17 01:44 < bumm13> I doubt it's an antivirus/firewall issue
2008-05-17 01:45 < planemad> im on the university network
2008-05-17 01:45 < bumm13> yeah, I can't imagine your university blocking Wikipedia :P
2008-05-17 01:45 < bumm13> (or at least English WP)
2008-05-17 01:45 < V`Ger> my computer has been having DNS resolution problems today
2008-05-17 01:46 < planemad> all the wp are inaccesible
2008-05-17 01:47 < bumm13> :(
2008-05-17 01:47 < bumm13> I can't imagine a university in most countries blocking Wikipedia, of all things
2008-05-17 01:48 < planemad> yea thats out of the question especially here. im at one of the top insti's in india
2008-05-17 01:48 < bumm13> yeah, India just doesn't do stuff like that
2008-05-17 01:48 * bumm13 has no idea
2008-05-17 01:49 < Working_Cat> except to ban social networks in public cafes
2008-05-17 01:49 < Monobi> planemad, tell them to stop censoring you
2008-05-17 01:49 < Monobi> and that your basic rights are being violated
2008-05-17 01:50 < planemad> hehe, no ones blocking anything. the porn seems to load fine :D
2008-05-17 01:51 < V`Ger> hehe
2008-05-17 01:54 < arekz> I think the doctor who I am working for failed to read the disclaimer of Wikipedia
2008-05-17 01:54 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Ack aaack ack, ack ACK ACKKK ACKKK, Ackk ack ACK ACK ack-ack ACK ACK ACK. Ack ack ack Ack, aaack, ACK, ACK ACKKK ACK ACK ACKKKK ACKK ACK!!! ACK ack ack-ack ackk ack. Ack-ack, ack ACK ACKK Ackk? Ack, ACK ACK aack ACK ACK ACK ACK ack ack-ACK-ack ACK ACK ACK ack-ack ACK, ack ack ACK ACK ACKKK!!! Ack ack ackkkk-ack ACK ACK AAACK ACK AC
2008-05-17 01:54 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Aaaaack ack ack ACK-ACK ack aaaack ACK ACK-ACK-ACK ACK, ack. Ack ack ack. ACK ack ACK. ACK ack ack ack (ack ack, ack ack ACK), ack ACK ACK ACK. Ack ack aaaaack? ACK ack ACK ACK, ack ack ack aaaack ACK-ACKK (Ack ack ack ack; ack ack ack ACK). Ack ackk ack ackk ACK-ACK ACK ACKKK!! Ack ack ack.
2008-05-17 01:54 < Ziggy_Sawdust> ACK ACK ack-aaack: Ack ack ACK ACK ACK!!
2008-05-17 01:55 < arekz> one time, as a part of his discharge instruction, he printed an entry from Wikipedia and gave it to patient
2008-05-17 01:55 < bumm13> o_O
2008-05-17 01:55 < bumm13> o___O
2008-05-17 01:55 < planemad> i just did a remote desktop connection to the server. loads fine from there
2008-05-17 01:55 < arekz> the page explains the disease and some basic information. I hope that the page was accurate :|
2008-05-17 01:55 < bumm13> you don't have cancer, do you?
2008-05-17 01:55 < planemad> then wtf is wrong with my system
2008-05-17 01:55 < arekz> nah, I am a medical assistant
2008-05-17 01:56 < bumm13> ah
2008-05-17 01:56 < bumm13> still, that's very bizarre
2008-05-17 01:56 < arekz> and was surprised to see my doctor printing a page from Wiki
2008-05-17 01:56 < Rinn> Did "ack ack ack" come back again?
2008-05-17 01:56 < arekz> lol
2008-05-17 01:56 < bumm13> :# :# :#
2008-05-17 01:56 < bumm13> Rinn: who?
2008-05-17 01:56 < bumm13> planemad: gremlins
2008-05-17 01:56 < Rinn> bumm13: More aptly, what. It's an obscure meme.
2008-05-17 01:56 < bumm13> :p
2008-05-17 01:57 < planemad> gremlins are banned in india. must be something else
2008-05-17 01:58 < gwern> '. “Today, Mexicans drink more Coca-Cola than milk,” Patel reports. Roberts tells us that in India “obesity is now growing faster than either the government or traditional culture can respond,” and the demand for gastric bypasses is soaring.' http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2008/05/19/080519crat_atlarge_wilson?currentPage=2
2008-05-17 01:58 < bumm13> http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Eric_B/CarMovie.jpg
2008-05-17 01:58 < bumm13> o.o
2008-05-17 01:59 * Working_Cat teases Rinn
2008-05-17 01:59 * Rinn dies
2008-05-17 01:59 < bumm13> planemad: a sneaky ksitigarbha?
2008-05-17 02:00 < bumm13> http://image.linkinn.com/userfile/pictures_0801/Image/ronaldgetsshowfa0.gif
2008-05-17 02:00 < bumm13> o_____O
2008-05-17 02:00 < bumm13> (perhaps NSFW - violence/gore)
2008-05-17 02:01 < gwern> 'Joseph Henry shredded his wife’s silk petticoat to make insulation for the coil of wire he needed to wrap around an electromagnet. Thomas Edison didn’t wash, and was convinced that changing his clothes would alter his body’s chemistry, and not in a good way. Nikola Tesla, who developed the first motor for alternating current, had to do everything in multiples of three: twenty-seven laps in the pool, twelve hundred electric lamps for the city of Str
2008-05-17 02:01 < gwern> god forbid we ever eat anything whose cubic footage we don't know!
2008-05-17 02:03 < planemad> woohoo, wp is back
2008-05-17 02:03 < The359> your last statement was cut off, gwern
2008-05-17 02:03 < gwern> 'Gluttons for “Duck Soup” will remember the scene in which Groucho is faced with an official document. “Why, a four-year-old child could understand this report,” he says. “Run out and find me a four-year-old child.”'
2008-05-17 02:03 < bumm13> \o/
2008-05-17 02:04 < bumm13> must've been some upstream deal
2008-05-17 02:04 < Working_Cat> bumm13: just lemme know when you have NSFW - erotic/nudity
2008-05-17 02:04 < bumm13> network maintenance can cause weird things to happen
2008-05-17 02:04 < bumm13> ok
2008-05-17 02:04 < bumm13> Working_Cat: did you look at the gif?
2008-05-17 02:04 < Working_Cat> no
2008-05-17 02:05 < bumm13> it's mildly humorous
2008-05-17 02:05 < Working_Cat> heh its funny
2008-05-17 02:05 < bumm13> :)
2008-05-17 02:05 < Working_Cat> but still, im more interested in hardly clad gals
2008-05-17 02:05 < bumm13> we all hate Ronald McDonald ;p
2008-05-17 02:06 < The359> Ronald McDonald is a pedo
2008-05-17 02:06 < The359> The Burger King is a pimp
2008-05-17 02:06 < Working_Cat> not that i have any love for BK
2008-05-17 02:06 < bumm13> heh, understandable
2008-05-17 02:07 < bumm13> what's weird (being in the U.S.) is that I never ate any Burger King food until I was about 14-15 :x
2008-05-17 02:07 < bumm13> our family simply never went there
2008-05-17 02:07 < bumm13> (my hometown area had one location at that time)
2008-05-17 02:08 < bumm13> one Burger King store there actually burned to the ground :x
2008-05-17 02:08 < gwern> http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?sid=52890&did=4&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-randomcart <-- nice
2008-05-17 02:09 < bumm13> (grease fire)
2008-05-17 02:10 < gwern> 'So are we? That depends on your perspective. The law did slash the number of bankruptcies—they fell by sixty-two per cent between 2004 and 2006. And the credit-card companies should be happy—their profits rose thirty per cent between 2005 and 2007. But the law hasn’t done much for anyone else. Interest rates and credit-card fees have not fallen as promised. And for debtors life has become significantly harder: many can’t afford bankruptcy—stran
2008-05-17 02:10 < gwern> I like that line. 'too poor to be bankrupt'
2008-05-17 02:11 < gwern> 'Edison called his first two children Dot and Dash, and treated them, on days when he noticed them at all, like pets'
2008-05-17 02:11 < gwern> '“In every way satisfactory,” a reporter for the Times ho-hummed, in a column on page 8 of the next day’s paper, expressing appreciation that, although the new electric lamps looked just like the old gas ones, they were brighter, didn’t flicker, and didn’t stink.'
2008-05-17 02:12 < gwern> 'You can learn a lot about how the magnetic telegraph works in “The Power Makers,” but not that Samuel F. B. Morse was a Northern apologist for slavery who ran for Congress in New York, in 1854, on a platform which held that abolitionism was a foreign Catholic conspiracy aimed at destroying the United States, and who, when the war came, regretted that Lincoln had the advantage of the telegraph against the less well-wired Southern states.'
2008-05-17 02:14 < The359> Is this copypasta night?
2008-05-17 02:15 < Messedrocker> how do you pronounce "copypasta"
2008-05-17 02:15 < Messedrocker> "copy-paste-uh"
2008-05-17 02:15 < Messedrocker> or "copy-paw-stuh"
2008-05-17 02:15 < Working_Cat> with gwern, every night is copypasta night
2008-05-17 02:15 < gwern> 'On June 21, 1995, Roberts tells us, a hog lagoon burst into a river in North Carolina, destroying aquatic life for seventeen miles.'
2008-05-17 02:15 < Messedrocker> like the dish
2008-05-17 02:15 < gwern> The359: IT IS ALWAYS COPYPASTE NIGHT IN #WIKIPEDIA
2008-05-17 02:16 < gwern> '“Shrimp farming is so damaging to the environment and so polluting to the soil, trees, and water that it will be the last form of agriculture,” Ni says. “After it, you can do nothing.”'
2008-05-17 02:16 < gwern> mmm.... copypasta. factoidalicious
2008-05-17 02:18 < gwern> 'In the Netherlands, Germany, France, Austria, Belgium, and the United Kingdom, there are a hundred and sixty million consumers, fed by approximately 3.2 million farmers. But the farmers and the consumers are connected to one another by a mere hundred and ten wholesale “buying desks.”
2008-05-17 02:18 < bumm13> I wish the passenger-door window on my truck could roll down
2008-05-17 02:18 < bumm13> I'd consider going to get some fast food :(
2008-05-17 02:19 < bumm13> *driver's side window
2008-05-17 02:20 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-05-17 02:20 * V`Ger wonders why AntiSpamMeta hasn't yelled at gwern
2008-05-17 02:21 < gwern> V`Ger: maybe AntiSpamMeta has a thing for me
2008-05-17 02:21 < V`Ger> o_o
2008-05-17 02:22 < bumm13> it's rather quiet these days
2008-05-17 02:22 < Alkivar> is ED down at the moment
2008-05-17 02:22 < Alkivar> ?
2008-05-17 02:22 < bumm13> (it = the bot)
2008-05-17 02:23 < V`Ger> bumm13: Except when SteveCrossin posted an LM link in #wikipedia-en when Betacommand told him to do so, and both Soxred93 and TenPoundHammer clicked on it :x
2008-05-17 02:24 < V`Ger> rather, Betacommand jokingly told him to do so
2008-05-17 02:24 < bumm13> LM?
2008-05-17 02:24 < V`Ger> Last-Measure
2008-05-17 02:24 < bumm13> Betacommand needs to fix his WP bot ;p
2008-05-17 02:24 < bumm13> I would have stabbed him for that
2008-05-17 02:24 < bumm13> *stab*
2008-05-17 02:25 < V`Ger> Soxred93 and TenPoundHammer wasted away the rest of their evenings running virus scans
2008-05-17 02:25 < bumm13> ,o_/
2008-05-17 02:25 < bumm13> meh
2008-05-17 02:26 < bumm13> were they using IE?
2008-05-17 02:26 < V`Ger> No, Firefox
2008-05-17 02:26 < bumm13> if I had been in that channel, I'd have banned Betacommand
2008-05-17 02:27 < V`Ger> Of course, that's just what SteveCrossin said
2008-05-17 02:27 < V`Ger> I don't know if Betacommand actually did give him the link
2008-05-17 02:28 < bumm13> I don't think lastmeasure is a huge security issue, just mostly annoying as hell
2008-05-17 02:30 < supermanoncrack> huh
2008-05-17 02:30 < supermanoncrack> why was i autokicked?
2008-05-17 02:31 < supermanoncrack> =-= Mode #wikipedia +b hardtodrink!*@* by ChanServ
2008-05-17 02:31 < supermanoncrack> <--| YOU (hardtodrink) have left #Wikipedia
2008-05-17 02:31 < The359> looks to me like the ban was to the name "Hardtodrink"
2008-05-17 02:31 < The359> not his ISP
2008-05-17 02:31 < The359> which is...odd
2008-05-17 02:33 < V`Ger> fascinating
2008-05-17 02:33 < Flo_1> hes trolling in #wikipedia-en now
2008-05-17 02:35 < The359> orly?
2008-05-17 02:36 < Flo_1> * he was :D
2008-05-17 02:36 < The359> I saw
2008-05-17 02:37 < bumm13> yeah, Krimpet did the honors
2008-05-17 02:37 < bumm13> (Krimpet was the original person who banned him in here)
2008-05-17 02:37 < Krimpet> he's constantly impersonating people, over and over again.
2008-05-17 02:38 < Flo_1> but anyway, i thougt autoremove/autokick would ban the ip...?
2008-05-17 02:38 < Krimpet> his IP is dynamic, sadly
2008-05-17 02:39 < The359> just fucking ban Australia
2008-05-17 02:39 < Kamping_Kaiser> :(
2008-05-17 02:40 < Kamping_Kaiser> at least be so good as to only ban victoria.
2008-05-17 02:41 < The359> nah, all or nothing
2008-05-17 02:43 * bumm13 's head hurts :(
2008-05-17 02:46 * Kamping_Kaiser cries
2008-05-17 02:55 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-05-17 02:55 < Lubaf> How's RAINBOW MULTIPLIER?
2008-05-17 03:20 < Ziggy_Sawdust> C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
2008-05-17 03:22 * Krimpet sees no combos to break?
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> _________________________________
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> < here's a combo you can break :p >
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> ---------------------------------
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> \ ^__^
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> \ (oo)\_______
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> (__)\ )\/\
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> ||----w |
2008-05-17 03:23 < Krimpet> || ||
2008-05-17 03:24 < Messedrocker> http://persiam.org/beta/test.html
2008-05-17 03:24 < Krimpet> lorem ipsum dolor sit amet? :o
2008-05-17 03:24 < V`Ger> :O
2008-05-17 03:24 < V`Ger> oh noes
2008-05-17 03:24 < V`Ger> lorem ipsum!"
2008-05-17 03:25 < Messedrocker> does it look nice at least?
2008-05-17 03:25 < Krimpet> consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua <_<
2008-05-17 03:26 < Mike_H> Krimpet: hi lover :)
2008-05-17 03:26 < Messedrocker> the thing is though, how many people would want to deal with download a 692KB background image
2008-05-17 03:26 < Mike_H> I just got back from the club
2008-05-17 03:26 < Mike_H> I'm tired as hell
2008-05-17 03:26 < Krimpet> aloha Mike_H
2008-05-17 03:27 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: looks good, btw. :)
2008-05-17 03:27 < Messedrocker> :)
2008-05-17 03:27 < Krimpet> the club, or da club?
2008-05-17 03:27 < Messedrocker> researchers will like having the stars in the background while they read journal articles :P
2008-05-17 03:27 < Mike_H> Krimpet: it's where people ask if they can buy girls "dranks"
2008-05-17 03:28 < Krimpet> hmm, probably not da club, then.
2008-05-17 03:29 < Messedrocker> Krimpet, are you sure people will be fine with downloading a 692KB background image?
2008-05-17 03:29 < Krimpet> I spent most of this evening... asleep, since I'd been up for 36 hours or so finishing a paper :p
2008-05-17 03:29 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: hmm, I dunno
2008-05-17 03:29 < Krimpet> might be best to size it down someho
2008-05-17 03:29 < Krimpet> somehow, even.
2008-05-17 03:30 < Messedrocker> but then it'll look odd on gigantic displays
2008-05-17 03:30 < Krimpet> hmm, yeah, I didn't notice it was so big on my laptop
2008-05-17 03:30 < Messedrocker> the image was smaller but then i tried it on my macbook pro and the image was "repeated" which frankly looks ugly
2008-05-17 03:31 < Messedrocker> especially if you are trying to go for only one image
2008-05-17 03:31 < Messedrocker> anyways, the image will work for most resolutions
2008-05-17 03:31 < Messedrocker> i believe it is 2000 pixels wide
2008-05-17 03:31 < Krimpet> personally I'd suggest trying to create a small, tiled star background
2008-05-17 03:32 < Messedrocker> eugh
2008-05-17 03:32 < Krimpet> it's a tough call, though
2008-05-17 03:33 < Krimpet> actually, I'd suggest seeing if you could convert it to a progressive JPEG.
2008-05-17 03:33 < Messedrocker> oooh
2008-05-17 03:33 < Messedrocker> what's a progressive JPEG
2008-05-17 03:34 < Messedrocker> as opposed to an interlaced JPEG?
2008-05-17 03:34 < Krimpet> a little different
2008-05-17 03:35 < Krimpet> this says it better than I could:
2008-05-17 03:35 < Krimpet> The advantage of progressive JPEG is that if an image is being viewed on-the-fly as it is transmitted, one can see an approximation to the whole image very quickly, with gradual improvement of quality as one waits longer; this is much nicer than a slow top-to-bottom display of the image.
2008-05-17 03:36 < Krimpet> also, you should set the background-color of the page to approximate the sky color, I think
2008-05-17 03:38 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: http://nutmeg.ws/francine/bg-progressive.jpg
2008-05-17 03:38 < Messedrocker> and if i saved that and uploaded it it would be progressive?
2008-05-17 03:38 < Krimpet> yeah, I converted it in the GIMP
2008-05-17 03:39 < Messedrocker> :)
2008-05-17 03:39 < Messedrocker> thank you
2008-05-17 03:39 < Krimpet> np. :)
2008-05-17 03:39 < V`Ger> Firefox is unable to establish a stable connection to en.wikipedia.org: The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond.
2008-05-17 03:39 < V`Ger> o_O
2008-05-17 03:40 < Messedrocker> Krimpet, the prog one is a whole 100KB smaller or so!
2008-05-17 03:40 < Krimpet> hmm, might've been the way GIMP compressed it
2008-05-17 03:41 < Messedrocker> doesn't look compressed to me :D
2008-05-17 03:41 < Messedrocker> or maybe prog is naturally smaller
2008-05-17 03:41 < Messedrocker> anyways, tyvm krimpet
2008-05-17 03:43 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: make sure you change the background-color to match the black sky, too, and it'll look even better. :)
2008-05-17 03:43 < V`Ger> Hehe
2008-05-17 03:43 < V`Ger> There are some things money /can/ buy. For everything else, there are photon torpedoes.
2008-05-17 03:43 < Messedrocker> Krimpet, who cares about the bgcolor when the entire screen is the black sky? :D
2008-05-17 03:44 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: because the image takes a few seconds to start showing up
2008-05-17 03:44 < Krimpet> at present, it's white for me at first.
2008-05-17 03:44 < Messedrocker> true
2008-05-17 03:45 < Krimpet> so if you match the colors, it'll look consistent as it loads.
2008-05-17 03:47 < Messedrocker> i also changed the CSS so that the entire image can be displayed
2008-05-17 03:47 < Messedrocker> and it's one of those fixed backgrounds
2008-05-17 03:47 < Messedrocker> like the 13 year olds manage to do on MySpace
2008-05-17 03:52 < Alkivar> so it appears that Windows XP SP3 instutes the same 10 concurrent TCP connection attempts limit
2008-05-17 03:52 < Krimpet> Alkivar: what limit is that?
2008-05-17 03:52 * bumm13 hopes that the heat of yesterday hasn't made him sick
2008-05-17 03:52 < Alkivar> it only affects people who do a bunch of bittorrenting
2008-05-17 03:53 < Alkivar> check your system Event Log for a Event ID 4226 warning
2008-05-17 03:53 < Alkivar> if you have it you've hit the limit
2008-05-17 03:53 * Krimpet uses ubuntu, thankfully. :p
2008-05-17 03:53 < Alkivar> how it affects me for example... if i leave bittorrents going for more than 30hrs
2008-05-17 03:53 < Alkivar> my network speed drops to about 10kbps
2008-05-17 03:54 < bumm13> bubuntubu
2008-05-17 03:54 < Alkivar> not an ISP cap... it apparently fucks up XP's tcpip stack until i reboot
2008-05-17 03:54 < Alkivar> soon as i reboot... poof problem disappears
2008-05-17 03:55 < Alkivar> apparently they put a cap in SP2 to slow down network worm/virus propigation
2008-05-17 03:55 < Alkivar> well SP3 has that same cap instuted (even though its a new TCPIP stack rewritten from the ground up in SP3)
2008-05-17 03:55 < Alkivar> SP3 is supposedly using the Vista TCPIP stack now
2008-05-17 03:56 < Working_Cat> AL CAVIAR
2008-05-17 04:00 < V`Ger> Alkivar: There's a stack override somewhere in the registry
2008-05-17 04:00 < Alkivar> theres also a patcher that updates that cap to 50 instead of 10
2008-05-17 04:00 < V`Ger> I got that error today while grabbing Ubuntu 8.04LTS 32bit desktop i386
2008-05-17 04:21 < Rachel> Lolz
2008-05-17 04:22 < Rachel> Anyone wanna help out
2008-05-17 04:22 < V`Ger> Rachel: for what?
2008-05-17 04:23 < Rachel> an ask n learn project
2008-05-17 04:23 < V`Ger> what's that?
2008-05-17 04:25 * V`Ger is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-17 04:27 < B-rat> when will wiki be back up ? </nag>