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2008-05-16 01:18 < Ceiling_Cat> if Obama was white, I'd say McCain had a 5% shot, at most
2008-05-16 01:18 < privatemusings> for 2009 --> 2012
2008-05-16 01:18 < bumm13> there won't be another 1984 election anytime soon, I'd say
2008-05-16 01:18 < Ceiling_Cat> the race factor is the wild card
2008-05-16 01:19 < Sky2042> privatemusings: way cool.
2008-05-16 01:19 < Sky2042> privatemusings: for all coursework?
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> it's a module (C) of the english HSC
2008-05-16 01:19 < Sky2042> bumm13: agreed.
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> 'Texts and Society'
2008-05-16 01:19 < Sky2042> haha, society.
2008-05-16 01:19 * Sky2042 chuckles.
2008-05-16 01:19 < Enok|Walker> lol, australia
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> "In this elective students explore a variety of texts that deal with the ways in which individuals and
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> communities experience and live in a global context. Students consider the positive and negative
2008-05-16 01:19 < Enok|Walker> that last comment won't go over well will it >_>
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> aspects of the global village and the consequences of these on attitudes, values and beliefs. Students
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> also consider the role and uses of media and technology within the global village and different
2008-05-16 01:19 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: yeah, but he's not.
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> attitudes people may have towards them. Students respond to and compose a range of texts to
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> investigate how and in what ways living in a global village may influence the ways we communicate,
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> engage and interact with each other."
2008-05-16 01:19 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: he's black :(
2008-05-16 01:19 < privatemusings> arrghh! sorry!
2008-05-16 01:19 < Krimpet> I know a guy back from Iraq, fed up with Republican policies, wants to vote Democratic, but he's super islamophobic after serving and is afraid of Obama for gawd knows what reason
2008-05-16 01:20 < bumm13> that's silly
2008-05-16 01:20 < Sky2042> Krimpet: HIS NAME. GOD, ITS THE NAME.
2008-05-16 01:20 < Sky2042> -_-
2008-05-16 01:20 < Krimpet> oh, it is. but I'm afraid people like this might be widespread. our country's dumb -_-
2008-05-16 01:20 < Ceiling_Cat> Sky2042 - right. And that's why race is the great unknonw factor in this election
2008-05-16 01:20 < bumm13> there is a lot of islamophobia
2008-05-16 01:20 < bumm13> and that seed won't die with Bush leaving office, sadly
2008-05-16 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Also, just to reiterate what I said earlier --- 2 weeks before the election, Oliver Stone's movie "W." comes out
2008-05-16 01:21 < bumm13> oh gawd, Oliver Stone?
2008-05-16 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Yes
2008-05-16 01:21 < bumm13> ewwww
2008-05-16 01:21 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: I wouldn't say it's unknown.
2008-05-16 01:21 < Enok|Walker> wat
2008-05-16 01:21 < Krimpet> I hate it when I see people say "if (Obama|Hillary) wins the primaries, I'm voting McCain"
2008-05-16 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> apparently he decided to include all the really seedy stuff from Bush's past that nobody really knows about
2008-05-16 01:21 < bumm13> Krimpet: well, many people will do just that
2008-05-16 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> like the fishfight with papa
2008-05-16 01:21 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: there's definitely a strong black turnout for obama.
2008-05-16 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> fistfight*
2008-05-16 01:22 < bumm13> but that's small scale stuff
2008-05-16 01:22 < bumm13> not everyone will vote party line
2008-05-16 01:22 < Soxred93> I'm just want Obama to win, so Hillary doesn't.
2008-05-16 01:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Soxred93 - Hilary is done
2008-05-16 01:22 < Sky2042> Soxred93: what he said.
2008-05-16 01:22 < Ceiling_Cat> the more I think about it, in fact, the more I'm sorta glad she did stay in it
2008-05-16 01:22 < Soxred93> :)
2008-05-16 01:22 < Sky2042> she cannot physically win at this point.
2008-05-16 01:23 < Enok|Walker> yeah that sums me up as well
2008-05-16 01:23 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm *much* happier the whole Reverend Wright thing came out in March instead of Octobr
2008-05-16 01:23 < Ceiling_Cat> October*
2008-05-16 01:23 < Soxred93> Why?
2008-05-16 01:23 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: definitely.
2008-05-16 01:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Soxred93 - because by November it will be safely forgotten
2008-05-16 01:23 < Ceiling_Cat> old news
2008-05-16 01:23 < Sky2042> bumm13: the black population is small scale?... o_o
2008-05-16 01:23 < Cyrius> not so much forgotten as people will have gotten over it
2008-05-16 01:23 * Krimpet voted Clinton early enough when the vote actually _meant_ something -_-
2008-05-16 01:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Sky2042 - yes, they are. They only make up 12% of the population and they already vote 90%+ democratic
2008-05-16 01:23 < Cyrius> or be tired of hearing about it
2008-05-16 01:24 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: but there's never been this kind of turnout for a candidate.
2008-05-16 01:24 < Sky2042> Democratic*
2008-05-16 01:24 < Ceiling_Cat> Sky2042 - that's true -- he might increase the turnout
2008-05-16 01:24 < bumm13> Sky2042: I wasn't talking about that
2008-05-16 01:24 < Sky2042> bumm13: oh?
2008-05-16 01:25 < Sky2042> Krimpet: oh well. You get to vote again. ^^
2008-05-16 01:25 < Ceiling_Cat> also, the thing about Clinton -- by staying in the race and keeping the democratic primary competitve, they have effectively blown McCain off the TV
2008-05-16 01:25 < Sky2042> Krimpet: as for me, it's the first time my state actually gets to finish off the primary season.
2008-05-16 01:25 < bumm13> Sky2042: it was a response to Krimpet
2008-05-16 01:25 < Sky2042> bumm13: ah.
2008-05-16 01:25 < Ceiling_Cat> Clinton, Obama, Clinton, Obama, Clinton, Obama... and oh yea, that republican guy
2008-05-16 01:25 < Krimpet> I could've probably voted in three primaries if I were in a fraud-mongering mood :p
2008-05-16 01:25 * Sky2042 cheers for living in Oregon.
2008-05-16 01:25 < Sky2042> Krimpet: lol.
2008-05-16 01:26 * Ceiling_Cat sends Krimpet to federal PMITA prison
2008-05-16 01:26 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: so true. xD
2008-05-16 01:26 < Krimpet> I have a choice between voting in NY, TX, or PA, legally.
2008-05-16 01:26 < Sky2042> Krimpet: o_o
2008-05-16 01:26 < Alkivar> hey mccain said something not completely stupid today
2008-05-16 01:26 < Sky2042> Krimpet: how did you manage that mix?
2008-05-16 01:26 < bumm13> just scratch off TX, your vote won't matter as much there :P
2008-05-16 01:26 < Sky2042> Alkivar: yes, that's typical of republicans.
2008-05-16 01:26 < Sky2042> :P
2008-05-16 01:27 < bumm13> although all three are high-populous states
2008-05-16 01:27 < Krimpet> Sky2042: college, plus my family moved, but didn't sell the old house.
2008-05-16 01:27 < Alkivar> he wants to institute UK parlimentary style Q&A sessions with both houses of congress if elected
2008-05-16 01:27 < Sky2042> Krimpet: lol! why not?
2008-05-16 01:27 < Krimpet> bumm13: well, when I voted in the primaries it counted. :)
2008-05-16 01:27 < bumm13> Texas bleeds red :|
2008-05-16 01:27 < Alkivar> i dont see how that shit will fit into the schedule... but its certainly a good idea
2008-05-16 01:27 < Krimpet> Sky2042: because the market is crap :p
2008-05-16 01:27 < Sky2042> Alkivar:agreed.
2008-05-16 01:27 < Sky2042> Krimpet: investing, then.
2008-05-16 01:27 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - lyndon johnson once said that the 1964 civil rights act made being a democrat in texas socially unacceptable
2008-05-16 01:28 < bumm13> I'd tend to agree
2008-05-16 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> you couldn't tell your friends you were a democrat without hanging your head in shame
2008-05-16 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> The thing is
2008-05-16 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> For people of my generation
2008-05-16 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Bush has done the same with for republiacans
2008-05-16 01:28 < Krimpet> in fact, the company my family moved to so my mother could work there got bought out, so they're just moving back into the old house later this year. <_<
2008-05-16 01:28 < Alkivar> quite frankly i'm surprised black voters forgot that the KKK was a pro-democrat group
2008-05-16 01:28 < bumm13> not in Texas :P
2008-05-16 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> I ask my friends what their political offiliation is, and they are ashamed to admit they are republicans
2008-05-16 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> they say they are independent, or that "my family" is republican
2008-05-16 01:28 < Alkivar> i'd love to know what shifted black voters from the Party of Lincoln to the Dems
2008-05-16 01:28 < bumm13> that doesn't mean quite as much in the Mid-Atlantic states
2008-05-16 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> This is a very, very good thing.
2008-05-16 01:29 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - actually, mid-atlantic states were historically hte bell-weathers
2008-05-16 01:29 < Sky2042> Alkivar: black rights, naturally.
2008-05-16 01:29 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: civil rights had a huge influence on the assassination of JFK the year before
2008-05-16 01:29 < Ceiling_Cat> delaware picked right in every presidential election in the 20th century
2008-05-16 01:29 < Alkivar> not that the republicans of the past 2-3 decades are really the party of lincoln anymore
2008-05-16 01:29 < Ral315> Ceiling_Cat, Did you see Bush challenge Obama's foreign policy today? McCain has to be pissed.
2008-05-16 01:29 < Krimpet> Alkivar: the New Deal, basically
2008-05-16 01:29 < bumm13> Krimpet: you asked the assassin about their views on civil rights?
2008-05-16 01:29 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral315 - yes, I caught part of it. I love it. The best thing Obama can do is pick a fight with W.
2008-05-16 01:29 < Sky2042> Alkivar: actually, what krimpet said now that i think on it.
2008-05-16 01:29 < Krimpet> bumm13: I went to the JFK museum in Dallas. it explains it pretty well :p
2008-05-16 01:30 < Alkivar> bah... oswald was a plant
2008-05-16 01:30 < bumm13> well, when they learn who fired the fatal shot, lemme know :P
2008-05-16 01:30 < Alkivar> it was the grassy knoll people
2008-05-16 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> at 26% approval, Bush has that Nixonesque quality of making his allies seem worse and his enemies seem nobler
2008-05-16 01:30 < Alkivar> i'm telling you i have proo... !@#!disconnected
2008-05-16 01:31 < Ral315> I was at the Obama-Edwards rally yesterday. The area is very, very Dutch-Republican, and I've never seen people so electrified over a Democratic candidate.
2008-05-16 01:31 < Ceiling_Cat> "Nixon had the unique ability to make his enemies seem honorable, and we developed a keen sense of fraternity. Some of my best friends have hatedNixon all their lives. My mother hates Nixon, my son hates Nixon, I hate Nixon, and this hatred has brought us together." -- Hunter S. Thompson
2008-05-16 01:31 < Alkivar> Raul: his approval rating as of this morning was 34%
2008-05-16 01:31 < bumm13> that's the words of one person
2008-05-16 01:31 < Krimpet> by the time of the New Deal, the Republicans were the big-business, screw the poor party, while FDR was championing the rights of the poor. then the Democrats added civil rights to the mix, and Black voters and racist assholes switched parties, basically.
2008-05-16 01:31 < bumm13> plus Nixon faced removal from office for a crime
2008-05-16 01:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - differnet polling organizations put him at slightly different levels
2008-05-16 01:32 < Enok|Walker> hey this isn't wikipedia chat AT ALL
2008-05-16 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> 34% is on the high end
2008-05-16 01:32 < Sky2042> Alkivar: of course, Reps point to the fact that Congress' is about half that. =)
2008-05-16 01:32 < Alkivar> Raul: Zogby says 34%
2008-05-16 01:32 < Ral315> Haha
2008-05-16 01:32 < Ral315> He should see it devolve into sex discussions like it usually does.
2008-05-16 01:32 < bumm13> .
2008-05-16 01:32 < Werdna> yaaay
2008-05-16 01:32 < Werdna> sex discussions
2008-05-16 01:32 < Krimpet> well, we should [[wikilink]] random [[words]] to keep up the [[illusion]]. :)
2008-05-16 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral315 - if you ever want to read some genuinely fun-to-read political assassination, read this: http://www.counterpunch.org/thompson02212005.html
2008-05-16 01:32 * bumm13 fights his cat off of his keyboard
2008-05-16 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Nixon's epitaph, according to Thompson
2008-05-16 01:33 < Alkivar> quite frankly we need to fire every one of our representatives/senators/congress critters .... and start over
2008-05-16 01:33 < Alkivar> all of the fuckers are greedy bitches
2008-05-16 01:33 < Ral315> I've seen at least part of that, but it's worth reading again.
2008-05-16 01:33 * Mike_H NP: Kool and the Gang - Celebration (1981)
2008-05-16 01:33 < Alkivar> and as far as i'm concerned that includes mr hot air himself Obama
2008-05-16 01:33 < bumm13> Ral315 - Dutch-Republican?
2008-05-16 01:33 < Sky2042> Alkivar: truth.
2008-05-16 01:33 < Mike_H> bumm13: celebrate
2008-05-16 01:34 < Mike_H> good times
2008-05-16 01:34 < Ral315> bumm13: The kind of Republican that voted for Nixon for a third term.
2008-05-16 01:34 < Mike_H> come on!
2008-05-16 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> Obama has said if/when elected, he'll appoint a special prosecutor to investigate and prosecute criminal wrongdoings by the bush administration
2008-05-16 01:34 < bumm13> um, they performed magic? :P
2008-05-16 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> (or at least the ones who Bush doesn't pardon before he leaves office)
2008-05-16 01:34 < Alkivar> Raul: thats flat out pandering and you know it
2008-05-16 01:34 < Krimpet> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993 pisses me off, insanely.\
2008-05-16 01:34 < Enok|Walker> you know what song is good
2008-05-16 01:34 < Alkivar> you know damn well that will never happen
2008-05-16 01:34 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: we'll see
2008-05-16 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - it's also about time. Bush and several of his cabinet and advisors are guilty of war crimes
2008-05-16 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> among other crimes
2008-05-16 01:35 < bumm13> does he have a max pardon limit? ;p
2008-05-16 01:35 < Alkivar> seriously raul if you believe that pull your head out of your ass
2008-05-16 01:35 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: I was talking about that creepy bill Congress is hearing.
2008-05-16 01:36 < Krimpet> 'The act deals with the issue through the creation of a congressional commission that will be empowered to hold hearings, conduct investigations, and designate various groups as "homegrown terrorists."'
2008-05-16 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - Before 9/11, he began planning to attack Iraq. (There's actually a great deal of documentation to support this). 9/11 gave his the pretext, and he and his administration manipulated the intelligence to convince people it was necessary. Do you disagree with any of this?
2008-05-16 01:36 < Enok|Walker> how you ignore on xchat
2008-05-16 01:36 < bumm13> /ignore foo
2008-05-16 01:36 < Alkivar> Raul: your sounding like a 9/11 Truther now
2008-05-16 01:37 < bumm13> or foo@foofoo.com
2008-05-16 01:37 < bumm13> etc.
2008-05-16 01:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - no, I believe AL-Queda planned and executed the attacks just as described in the 9/11 report
2008-05-16 01:37 < Enok|Walker> oh cool it worked
2008-05-16 01:37 < Ceiling_Cat> I just think that Bush used it as a pretext to attack a country that had no involvement in those attacks
2008-05-16 01:37 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: they didn't really manipulate the intelligence persay, the manipulated what the the intelligence people said. which, i'd say is a fine line.
2008-05-16 01:37 < Mike_H> bumm13: Solid Gold taught me that "Morning Train (9 to 5)" by Sheena Easton was the #9 song of all of 1981.
2008-05-16 01:37 < Mike_H> That's really depressing.
2008-05-16 01:37 < Sky2042> and Ceiling_Cat, yes.
2008-05-16 01:37 < bumm13> heehee
2008-05-16 01:37 < Enok|Walker> Wait no it didn't
2008-05-16 01:37 < Alkivar> oh right cause no one outside of the US in any intellegence agency thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction
2008-05-16 01:38 < Alkivar> just the UK, France, Spain, Germany and Russia
2008-05-16 01:38 < Werdna> Alkivar: sauce plz
2008-05-16 01:38 < Ceiling_Cat> Sky2042 - the Downing street memo says pretty clearly that the Bush administration had "fixed" the intelligence around a policy of invading Iraq
2008-05-16 01:38 < Alkivar> everyone thought he had them... til we went in and got proven otherwise
2008-05-16 01:38 < Sky2042> Alkivar: And?
2008-05-16 01:38 < Mike_H> bumm13: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0vw-afywW8
2008-05-16 01:38 < Ceiling_Cat> There aren't many ways to interpret that
2008-05-16 01:38 < Alkivar> hell even Bill Clinton said Saddamn has WMDs
2008-05-16 01:39 < Werdna> Alkivar: sauce plz.
2008-05-16 01:39 < Alkivar> yeah Bush changed the intelligence 6 years before he took office
2008-05-16 01:39 < Krimpet> y'know, getting pissed off at real-world politics helps me forget about en.wiki politics :p
2008-05-16 01:39 < Sky2042> Alkivar: that doesn't make 9/11 a legitimate excuse to enter Iraq, which is what Bush ended up using... :/
2008-05-16 01:39 < Enok|Walker> I can't ignore you guyz for some reason I better just leave
2008-05-16 01:39 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar -- no, everyone did not think he had them. They systematically supressed all the intelligence suggesting he did not have them
2008-05-16 01:39 < Sky2042> Krimpet: LOL
2008-05-16 01:40 < Ceiling_Cat> and they relied on Iraqi expatriots who lied their asses off and made things up out of whole cloth
2008-05-16 01:40 < Mike_H> bumm13: I miscounted, apparently
2008-05-16 01:40 < Mike_H> it's actually #10 for 1980
2008-05-16 01:40 < Mike_H> 1981
2008-05-16 01:40 < Mike_H> but still, too high :/
2008-05-16 01:40 < Ceiling_Cat> See: [[Curveball (informant)]]
2008-05-16 01:41 < Ceiling_Cat> "Despite warnings from the German Federal Intelligence Service regarding the authenticity of the claims, the US Government utilized them to build a rationale for military action in the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, including in the 2003 State of the Union address"
2008-05-16 01:41 < Ceiling_Cat> "Former CIA official Tyler Drumheller summed up Curveball as "a guy trying to get his green card essentially, in Germany, and playing the system for what it was worth.""
2008-05-16 01:41 < Krimpet> I handled an OTRS ticket on the author of Curveball a while back - was full of political intrigue :o
2008-05-16 01:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Anyway, getting back to Krimpet's point - Krimpet, do you or do you not believe that the administration is guilty of many instances of criminal wrongdoing?
2008-05-16 01:42 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: erm, I didn't say that?
2008-05-16 01:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - uh, this channel is busy, so I couldn't keep track of what everyone was saying. Plz repeat ;)
2008-05-16 01:42 < Krimpet> I think someone else said that. :)
2008-05-16 01:43 < Alkivar> do i believe this govt committed crimes? yes
2008-05-16 01:43 < Krimpet> I only brought up an unrelated creepy Orwellian bill
2008-05-16 01:43 < Alkivar> do i think they committed "war crimes" no
2008-05-16 01:43 < bumm13> get used to Orwell ;p
2008-05-16 01:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - you know that waging a war of aggresssion is a war crime, right? And that torturing people is as well.
2008-05-16 01:43 < Alkivar> and to werdna: "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton
2008-05-16 01:43 < Ceiling_Cat> And that we tried and executed people for both.
2008-05-16 01:43 < Ceiling_Cat> after WWII
2008-05-16 01:44 < Sky2042> bumm13: heh, orwell ftw.
2008-05-16 01:44 < bumm13> ftl :p
2008-05-16 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> So how is this administration different?
2008-05-16 01:44 < bumm13> they hire mercenaries? ;p
2008-05-16 01:44 < Sky2042> It's America!
2008-05-16 01:44 < Sky2042> :D
2008-05-16 01:44 < Sky2042> Ceiling_Cat: ok, seriously: we didn't go along with killing 6million +
2008-05-16 01:44 < Alkivar> ok so waging a war of aggression is a crime huh?... file charges on bill clinton for somalia
2008-05-16 01:45 < Sky2042> for the purposes of mass murder.
2008-05-16 01:45 < Alkivar> oh wait
2008-05-16 01:45 < Krimpet> well, personally I think the weapons inspectors that were brought in - after the Clinton administration - should have dispelled the pretext for going in. <_<
2008-05-16 01:45 < Alkivar> how about bill clinton bombing serbia... oh wait nope not a war crime
2008-05-16 01:45 < Krimpet> [[Iraq disarmament crisis]]
2008-05-16 01:46 < Alkivar> if your going to go that route... apply equally to both parties or shut the hell up
2008-05-16 01:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - Comparing early-1990s somalia (which was in fact a region made of up 7 warlords, 6 of whom asked the US to intervene) is not quite the same as iraq circa 2003
2008-05-16 01:46 < Alkivar> and how is afghanistan any different than somalia was?
2008-05-16 01:46 < bumm13> neither have a legitimate government now ;p
2008-05-16 01:46 < Ceiling_Cat> it was the 7th warlord - mohammend ideed - that was responsible for black hawk down
2008-05-16 01:46 < Krimpet> the foreign policies of _both_ Clinton and Bush sucked.
2008-05-16 01:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - in that instance, the Bush administration can legimately claim to be acting in self defense
2008-05-16 01:47 < Sky2042> Alkivar: ^
2008-05-16 01:47 < Krimpet> IMO, Clinton still did a much better job at home, though.
2008-05-16 01:47 < Ceiling_Cat> We had been attacked, and they were harboring those responsible, and refusing to turn him over
2008-05-16 01:47 < Alkivar> oh right cause we have proof of afghanistan being involved too
2008-05-16 01:47 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - complicty after the fact is still complicty
2008-05-16 01:48 < Werdna> certainly in criminal law.. "accessory after the fact"
2008-05-16 01:48 < Werdna> not liable to same punishment, but certainly liable.
2008-05-16 01:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - actually, funny you should say that
2008-05-16 01:48 < kmccoy> Alkivar's arguments really carry more weight due to them being phrased as sarcastic comments.
2008-05-16 01:48 < Alkivar> Werdna here's another one for you
2008-05-16 01:48 < Alkivar> "Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
2008-05-16 01:48 * Krimpet just wishes we could pull out of the rest of the world and spend the damn money on keeping our country prosperous and safe.
2008-05-16 01:48 < Ceiling_Cat> the month before the sept 11 attacks, Al queda assassinated the leader of the northern resistant in afghanistan (the leader who was fighting the taliban)
2008-05-16 01:49 < Krimpet> we're not supposed to be the world's nanny.
2008-05-16 01:49 < Ceiling_Cat> Osama made a deal with the taliban - he'd kill the nothern resistance leader, if they would agree not ot go after him after the 9/11 attacks
2008-05-16 01:49 < Werdna> Alkivar: I didn't say Al Gore was perfect, either.
2008-05-16 01:49 < Ceiling_Cat> (although they didn't know the details of his plans)
2008-05-16 01:49 < Alkivar> Werdna: you didnt believe anyone else thought saddamn had wmds
2008-05-16 01:49 < Alkivar> well theres two people from the previous administration who did
2008-05-16 01:49 < Alkivar> the pres and vice pres
2008-05-16 01:49 < Alkivar> i think thats a point on my side
2008-05-16 01:50 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Ahmad Shah Massood]]
2008-05-16 01:50 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-05-16 01:50 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Ahmad Shah Massoud]]
2008-05-16 01:50 < Alkivar> no i'm not saying Saddamn did in fact have WMDs... we've proven he didnt now... but at the time before we went in... everyone thought he did because Saddamn did such a good job of bluffing
2008-05-16 01:50 < kmccoy> hah. Alkivar keeps a tally of "points" for IRC discussions? Those points will certainly come in handy one day.
2008-05-16 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - that's because all the intelligence indicating he might not have them was systematically supressed
2008-05-16 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Like Joe Wilson's report on Nigerian enriched uranium
2008-05-16 01:51 < Alkivar> Raul: and i dont buy that systematically suppressed horse shit
2008-05-16 01:51 < Krimpet> I wonder if *HITLER* would have thought saddam had WMDs?
2008-05-16 01:51 < Krimpet> 8<----- post godwin's law discussion starts here -------
2008-05-16 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - then you are simply in denial.
2008-05-16 01:51 < kmccoy> Can you change those points in for Hilton hotel points, perhaps? Or some sort of frequent flier miles?
2008-05-16 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Every book written about the iraq war makes it abundantly clear that CIA analysts were told what their bosses wanted them to say
2008-05-16 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> and that the Bush administration systematically played up any intelligence indicating saddam had WMD
2008-05-16 01:52 < Alkivar> ok that still doesnt explain why even Russia thought he had WMDs
2008-05-16 01:52 < Alkivar> the russians certainly werent working off CIA research
2008-05-16 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - Saddam did have chemical weapons in the early 90s
2008-05-16 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> we gave them to him in the 80s when he was our ally
2008-05-16 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> On the other hand, those were short range, high-density weapons
2008-05-16 01:53 < bumm13> we always get bit by arming/supplying our enemies' enemies :p
2008-05-16 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> not the kind that can take out a city like new york
2008-05-16 01:53 < Alkivar> Raul: i'm well aware of that part, we sold him enough sarin and VX to take out all of israel if he'd wanted to
2008-05-16 01:53 * Sky2042 doesn't say a word to that, though he could have...
2008-05-16 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> but bush's reason for going to war was that he was developing nuclear weapons
2008-05-16 01:54 < Ceiling_Cat> he even specically said in the state of the union that we could not afford to wait, because our first warning might be a mushroom cloud
2008-05-16 01:54 < Ceiling_Cat> that's *not* about chemical weapons
2008-05-16 01:54 < Ceiling_Cat> and now we know he was full of bullshit, and he knew it
2008-05-16 01:54 < bumm13> mushroom cloud, how nonsensical
2008-05-16 01:54 < kmccoy> There are three tour buses parked outside my hotel (well, three that aren't ours). I'm trying to figure out whose they are...
2008-05-16 01:54 < Liempt> Just because he used nuclear weapons as an example doesn't mean that he exclusively mean nuclear weapons, though.
2008-05-16 01:55 < bumm13> any smalltime nuclear country would be committing suicide by launching any nukes
2008-05-16 01:55 < Werdna> http://xkcd.com/424/
2008-05-16 01:55 < Werdna> haha
2008-05-16 01:55 < Liempt> It's just, that's the most devastating and thus is the one most like to scare people into joining.
2008-05-16 01:55 < Werdna> bumm13: right.
2008-05-16 01:55 * Krimpet NP: The Who - Heinz Baked Beans (1967)
2008-05-16 01:55 < bumm13> not really a song ;)
2008-05-16 01:56 < Krimpet> what's for tea, bumm13?
2008-05-16 01:56 < Sky2042> Liempt: "most devastating" is incorrect.
2008-05-16 01:56 * bumm13 owns The Who Sell Out
2008-05-16 01:56 * privatemusings is secretly proud of himself that he now know NP = now playing
2008-05-16 01:56 < bumm13> I forget which songs that follows (precedes?)
2008-05-16 01:56 < Liempt> I think in actuality yeah.
2008-05-16 01:56 < bumm13> *song
2008-05-16 01:56 < Liempt> But in the mind of the general public?
2008-05-16 01:56 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - or non-polynomial
2008-05-16 01:56 < Ceiling_Cat> as in, NP Complete :)
2008-05-16 01:56 < Sky2042> Liempt: you want to kill people, biological and chemical weapons would do the job much quicker.
2008-05-16 01:56 * Mike_H NP: Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing (1979)
2008-05-16 01:56 * Mike_H dances with bumm13
2008-05-16 01:56 * Krimpet NP: The Who - Mary Anne with the Shaky Hand (1967)
2008-05-16 01:56 < bumm13> 1978 :)
2008-05-16 01:56 < privatemusings> wait, The Who were non polynomial?
2008-05-16 01:56 < Krimpet> theres you go. :)
2008-05-16 01:56 < Liempt> I think that most people are much more afraid of nuclear than biological or chemical weapons.
2008-05-16 01:56 < bumm13> probably late though
2008-05-16 01:56 < Mike_H> bumm13: I don't think it was released in the US until 1979.
2008-05-16 01:56 * Ceiling_Cat throws a traveling sailsman at Krimpet
2008-05-16 01:56 < privatemusings> could be non polyphonic I suppose
2008-05-16 01:56 < Ceiling_Cat> salesman*
2008-05-16 01:57 < Sky2042> Liempt: Btw, for Godwin's law, here's an essential quote of Mein Kampf: "The masses are stupid".
2008-05-16 01:57 < bumm13> Mike_H: it probably wasn't
2008-05-16 01:57 < Sky2042> eek, didn't mean to address that to you :o
2008-05-16 01:57 < bumm13> being UK and all
2008-05-16 01:57 * Ceiling_Cat assigns bumm13 some maps to color
2008-05-16 01:57 < bumm13> drudgery :(
2008-05-16 01:57 < Mike_H> It entered the American music pop charts in early 1979. Unusually, the success of this single release came more than six months after the relatively unheralded release of the band's debut album in October of 1978; the song reached the top 10 in both the UK and the U.S., and helped drive sales of the album, which also became a hit.
2008-05-16 01:57 < Liempt> To be honest, I agree with that statement.
2008-05-16 01:57 < Alkivar> off to bed... gotta get up in a few hours
2008-05-16 01:57 < Mike_H> it doesn't say for sure.
2008-05-16 01:57 < Cyrius> the realization I've had is that although the masses are indeed stupid
2008-05-16 01:57 < Krimpet> for Mike_H, I'll play the Dire Straits' "Les Boys" next. :)
2008-05-16 01:57 < Cyrius> so are the elites
2008-05-16 01:57 * Ceiling_Cat gives privatemusings some knapsacks
2008-05-16 01:57 < Alkivar> we'll continue this debate some other time Raul :)
2008-05-16 01:57 < Cyrius> everyone is stupid
2008-05-16 01:57 < Sky2042> Cyrius: how so?
2008-05-16 01:57 < Ceiling_Cat> Alkivar - OK
2008-05-16 01:57 < bumm13> Cyrius: indeed
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> not the first time I've been given a nap, or the sack.....
2008-05-16 01:58 < Mike_H> bumm13: Its success was in 1979, in the US at least.
2008-05-16 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> grrr... how can it be 2 AM already?
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> :-)
2008-05-16 01:58 < bumm13> elites make a ton of dumb missteps
2008-05-16 01:58 < Mike_H> It was the #27 single of 1979.
2008-05-16 01:58 < bumm13> before succeeding in some manner or another
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> 62 mintues to beer o'clock
2008-05-16 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, goodnight folks!
2008-05-16 01:58 < bumm13> _o/
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> cheers cat!
2008-05-16 01:58 < Mike_H> privatemusings: I found a cute clip of TOTP
2008-05-16 01:58 < Mike_H> from April 1979
2008-05-16 01:58 < Sky2042> bumm13: The lightbulb.
2008-05-16 01:58 < Mike_H> Legs & Co. dances to Sultans of Swing :DD
2008-05-16 01:58 < bumm13> alas, money is money....
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> was once my ambition to dance in the crowd there....
2008-05-16 01:58 < bumm13> Edison was an elite? :x
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> sultans of swing!
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> awesome!
2008-05-16 01:58 < Sky2042> bumm13: I would say so.
2008-05-16 01:58 < privatemusings> I demand a link instantly.
2008-05-16 01:58 < Mike_H> privatemusings: let me get it
2008-05-16 01:58 * bumm13 NP: Blue Cheer - Summertime Blues (1968)
2008-05-16 01:59 < Mike_H> privatemusings: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9g3tkqNkj3Q
2008-05-16 01:59 < Krimpet> Les boys got leather straps / Les boys got SS caps / But they got no gun now / Get dressed up get a little risque / Got to do a little S&M these days / It's all in fun now.
2008-05-16 01:59 < bumm13> Edison was the typical "good taskmaster" with crew
2008-05-16 01:59 < Krimpet> Mr. Knopfler really let his true feelings known there. :o
2008-05-16 01:59 * privatemusings is digging the dance floor... and the dancers!
2008-05-16 01:59 < bumm13> an anti-punk, surely
2008-05-16 02:00 < Mike_H> privatemusings: brianmc said in Scotland, Legs & Co. was derisively nicknamed
2008-05-16 02:00 < bumm13> I'd say their influence won out over his ;p
2008-05-16 02:00 < Mike_H> "Legs & No." "No." being short for "nothing else"
2008-05-16 02:00 < Mike_H> ;)
2008-05-16 02:00 < Krimpet> which is funny, because my mom worships the Dire Straits album "Making Movies," but always turns it off right before that song comes on
2008-05-16 02:00 < privatemusings> heh.... prolly right!
2008-05-16 02:00 < bumm13> I do really like "Money For Nothing"
2008-05-16 02:00 < Mike_H> bumm13: what year was that?
2008-05-16 02:00 < bumm13> it knocks MTV though ;)
2008-05-16 02:00 < Mike_H> 1985?
2008-05-16 02:00 < bumm13> yep
2008-05-16 02:01 < privatemusings> quick trivia - do we all know who the money for nothing co-writer is?
2008-05-16 02:01 < bumm13> "Walk of Life" was constantly being played on the radio then
2008-05-16 02:01 < Mike_H> no :<
2008-05-16 02:01 < Krimpet> sting
2008-05-16 02:01 < privatemusings> two points ms. krimpet!
2008-05-16 02:01 < Krimpet> who also sings the "I want my MTV" :p
2008-05-16 02:01 < privatemusings> (although he didn't actually write anything...)
2008-05-16 02:01 < bumm13> he sings in it, you know :P
2008-05-16 02:01 < bumm13> yes
2008-05-16 02:01 < privatemusings> (just sang that bit to the tune of 'don't stand so')
2008-05-16 02:01 < Enok|Walker> How do I tell my mom I'm an atheist
2008-05-16 02:01 < bumm13> he does harmony vocals throughout
2008-05-16 02:01 < privatemusings> you say 'Mom, I'm an atheist'
2008-05-16 02:02 < Enok|Walker> wait this isn't the right channel
2008-05-16 02:02 < Mike_H> Oh, I have a worldwide hit
2008-05-16 02:02 < Enok|Walker> oh well
2008-05-16 02:02 < Mike_H> one of my favorites from the '80s
2008-05-16 02:02 * Mike_H NP: Mr. Mister - Kyrie (1985)
2008-05-16 02:02 < Krimpet> Enok|Walker: do it in drag, to make the news less shocking?
2008-05-16 02:02 < Mike_H> didn't make #1 until '86 though
2008-05-16 02:02 < Krimpet> (in comparison)
2008-05-16 02:02 < bumm13> heh, Mr. Mister
2008-05-16 02:02 < Mike_H> bumm13: Mr. Mister had a few #1s
2008-05-16 02:02 < Mike_H> I think three.
2008-05-16 02:02 < bumm13> I probably know the songs
2008-05-16 02:02 < bumm13> (not offhand though)
2008-05-16 02:02 < Mike_H> "Broken Wings" is the first #1 they had
2008-05-16 02:02 < Mike_H> and their best-known
2008-05-16 02:03 * Krimpet NP: The Rolling Stones - Short and Curlies (1974)
2008-05-16 02:03 < Enok|Walker> I just think she'll interpret it as "you didn't actually see the ghost of your friends / pets all those times"
2008-05-16 02:05 < bumm13> ghost?
2008-05-16 02:06 < Enok|Walker> yessss
2008-05-16 02:06 < bumm13> (< - - m m m m
2008-05-16 02:07 < Enok|Walker> is that supposed to be something dirty
2008-05-16 02:08 < bumm13> no, it's Pac-Man :-)
2008-05-16 02:08 < Liempt> My wine is far too sleep.
2008-05-16 02:08 < Liempt> . . .
2008-05-16 02:08 < Liempt> Sweet.
2008-05-16 02:08 < Liempt> =(
2008-05-16 02:18 < bumm13> hi Wiangchan
2008-05-16 02:22 < kmccoy> Anyone know anything about the laws in Canada regarding spring-assisted knives? One of my coworkers is trying to insist that I'm going to get our bus detained at the border because of my knife...
2008-05-16 02:23 < bumm13> no idea
2008-05-16 02:23 < Liempt> I know they're illegal here.
2008-05-16 02:23 < Liempt> Unless they're an antique.
2008-05-16 02:23 < kmccoy> Where is here?
2008-05-16 02:23 < Liempt> Here is Canada.
2008-05-16 02:24 < bumm13> the Queendom of Canada
2008-05-16 02:24 < Liempt> s/Canada/Canadia/
2008-05-16 02:24 * bumm13 ducks
2008-05-16 02:24 < kmccoy> Do you know specifically what kind of knife is illegal? People often mistake spring-assisted for switchblades...
2008-05-16 02:24 < Liempt> Any knife in which the blade is hidden and opens under it's own poer.
2008-05-16 02:24 < Liempt> Power.
2008-05-16 02:24 < kmccoy> Ah, that's not spring-assisted.
2008-05-16 02:25 < Liempt> Well, the spring is included.
2008-05-16 02:25 < Liempt> It's definitely illegal.
2008-05-16 02:25 < kmccoy> Hm, I guess [[switchblade]] has some information, poorly written though it is.
2008-05-16 02:25 < Liempt> I have a real article somewhere about melee weapons in Canada.
2008-05-16 02:25 < bumm13> remember, Canada also forbids caffeinated beverages that aren't brown-colored :P
2008-05-16 02:25 < Liempt> I can go and see if I can find it.
2008-05-16 02:25 < Krimpet> the Tim Horton mafia?
2008-05-16 02:26 < kmccoy> I've taken my knife into and out of at least six or seven countries. I suppose I was breaking some laws at some point.
2008-05-16 02:26 < Cyrius> kmccoy: found a site on the canada firearms centre site
2008-05-16 02:26 < Cyrius> er
2008-05-16 02:26 < Cyrius> a pdf on the site
2008-05-16 02:27 < Cyrius> gah
2008-05-16 02:27 < Cyrius> stupid pdfs
2008-05-16 02:27 < kmccoy> hehe
2008-05-16 02:27 < Liempt> kmccoy: No one is going to strip search you or anything.
2008-05-16 02:27 < kmccoy> Link?
2008-05-16 02:27 < Liempt> And I don't think anyone actually cares.
2008-05-16 02:27 < Liempt> I certainly don't.
2008-05-16 02:27 < Liempt> Just hide it or leave it at home.
2008-05-16 02:27 < kmccoy> Liempt, you never know. I'm a little worried about what my coworkers have on the bus that may prompt a more thorough search.
2008-05-16 02:27 < Cyrius> http://www.google.com/search?q=knife%20site:www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca
2008-05-16 02:27 < Cyrius> first link
2008-05-16 02:28 < Cyrius> left column, "prohibited weapon"
2008-05-16 02:28 < kmccoy> I have no home to leave it at. I already mailed my homemade venison jerky back to my parents'.
2008-05-16 02:28 < Liempt> kmccoy: If your co-workers sell you out, they're /seriously/ assholes.
2008-05-16 02:29 < kmccoy> Liempt, I don't think they're going to sell me out. I'm worried that they'll do a shitty job of hiding their drugs, or that the vast quantities of alcohol, or our bus driver's machete will prompt a more thorough search of the bus.
2008-05-16 02:29 < Liempt> . . .
2008-05-16 02:29 < Liempt> Yes.
2008-05-16 02:29 < Liempt> That would do it.
2008-05-16 02:29 < Cyrius> "a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife"
2008-05-16 02:29 < kmccoy> hehe
2008-05-16 02:29 < kmccoy> Hm, I suppose that includes my knife. That's unfortunate.
2008-05-16 02:30 < kmccoy> Oh well. If you guys don't hear from me for a few weeks, send help to a random Canadian prison.
2008-05-16 02:30 < Cyrius> woo, canadian prison tour
2008-05-16 02:30 < Liempt> Canadian prisons are more like resorts than anything else.
2008-05-16 02:30 < Liempt> Well, resorts with anal rape.
2008-05-16 02:30 < Cyrius> "we are from the internets. you have our comrade."
2008-05-16 02:30 < Liempt> WHICH ARE THE BEST KIND!
2008-05-16 02:30 < Liempt> =D
2008-05-16 02:31 < kmccoy> I'm still not convinced that includes my knife, but I can see how it could be interpreted as such. On mine, you have to actually start pushing the blade open until you overcome the resistance of a cam sort of thing on a spring, then the spring flicks the blade the rest of the way open.
2008-05-16 02:31 < Liempt> I'm almost certain that it does.
2008-05-16 02:32 < Mike_H> bumm13: I'm watching Gimme a Break! on DVD :DD
2008-05-16 02:34 < bumm13> :)
2008-05-16 02:34 < bumm13> "There's an obscure federal law that says you can't put caffeine in soft drinks that are not brown unless you put enormous labels about it all over."
2008-05-16 02:34 < bumm13> (in Canada)
2008-05-16 02:34 < Cyrius> it's not exactly obscure
2008-05-16 02:34 < Liempt> Canada has ridiculous laws, like everywhere else.
2008-05-16 02:36 < kmccoy> http://revver.com/video/343584/a-spring-assist-knife-vs-an-automatic-switchblade/
2008-05-16 02:36 < Liempt> Dude. Who cares.
2008-05-16 02:36 < Liempt> If you think it's illegal and you're worried, throw it away or stick it in your anal cavity.
2008-05-16 02:36 < bumm13> ...
2008-05-16 02:36 < Liempt> If you think it's legal, put it on your lap and go into canada.
2008-05-16 02:37 < bumm13> yeah, sticking knives in anal cavities, that's brilliant :-p
2008-05-16 02:37 < Liempt> Worst case scenario they'll say you can't bringit in.
2008-05-16 02:37 < kmccoy> Liempt, relax dude. Jeez.
2008-05-16 02:37 < Mike_H> bumm13: I'm sure there's some porn niche that demands such scenes.
2008-05-16 02:37 < Liempt> =D
2008-05-16 02:37 < kmccoy> I'm just posting a link to an interesting video I found.
2008-05-16 02:37 < Liempt> I'm not attacking or anything.
2008-05-16 02:37 < bumm13> Mike_H: ick
2008-05-16 02:37 < Werdna> Mike_H: how are you sure?
2008-05-16 02:37 * Werdna cringes.
2008-05-16 02:37 < Liempt> I'm just saying it's all good.
2008-05-16 02:37 * kmccoy gives Liempt a sedative.
2008-05-16 02:38 * Liempt is currently drinking a sedative.
2008-05-16 02:38 < Mike_H> Werdna: I'm not. I'm just not shocked at any genre of porn anymore. Anything gross and indescribable, there are some sick fucks who whack off to it.
2008-05-16 02:38 < bumm13> on top of THC's effects? :D
2008-05-16 02:38 < Liempt> Mike_H: Even SalsaSnack/Twogirlsonecup?
2008-05-16 02:38 < Liempt> bumm13: WHO TOLD YOU?!!
2008-05-16 02:38 < Liempt> =p
2008-05-16 02:38 < bumm13> I think he meant "genre"
2008-05-16 02:38 < Mike_H> Liempt: I don't know what SalsaSnack is, but if it's anything like 2girls1cup, I'll pass
2008-05-16 02:39 < Liempt> Does shock video count as a genre?
2008-05-16 02:39 < Liempt> Does it shock you?
2008-05-16 02:39 < bumm13> bzzzt
2008-05-16 02:39 < bumm13> (ouch)
2008-05-16 02:39 < Werdna> oh ffs
2008-05-16 02:39 < Liempt> HAHAH CAUSE IT'S LITERAL HAHAHA
2008-05-16 02:39 < Werdna> "Proposed ban of Kmweber"
2008-05-16 02:39 < bumm13> Werdna: lulz
2008-05-16 02:40 < Werdna> because he calls them the "arbitrary committee", pwer hungry opposes, opposing admin coaching
2008-05-16 02:40 < Werdna> ffs, I agree with him on half of that
2008-05-16 02:40 < Liempt> I don't think he deserves to be banned.
2008-05-16 02:40 < bumm13> he's no Lir :P
2008-05-16 02:40 < Liempt> Although I cant say I approve of the whole "I view self-noms as prima facie blaw blaw blaw" business.
2008-05-16 02:40 < Werdna> seriously.. I think self-nomination DOES occasionally show power hunger, and we SHOULDN'T be promoting MMORPGers to admin
2008-05-16 02:40 < Mike_H> bumm13: heh, the Chief said a racist comment about busing that pissed Nell off
2008-05-16 02:40 < Werdna> I think that admin coaching shows power hunger EVEN MORE.
2008-05-16 02:41 < Mike_H> and he was like "When I said problems about busing, I didn't mean black people"
2008-05-16 02:41 < Mike_H> and she goes "Oh, yes, the Australians are causing all the problems"
2008-05-16 02:41 < Liempt> What's wrong with power hunger?
2008-05-16 02:41 < Liempt> I want power. I want the tools to improve wikipedia
2008-05-16 02:41 < Liempt> What's wrong with that?
2008-05-16 02:41 < bumm13> you said "to improve Wikipedia"
2008-05-16 02:41 < bumm13> that's probably not what Werdna means
2008-05-16 02:41 < Werdna> People who focus too much on wanting adminship aren't in it for the project. They're in it for their own egos. We have enough problems with people treating Wikipedia as an MMORPG
2008-05-16 02:42 < Liempt> But you can't look at a self-nom and say "That person wants power and ergo is not in it for the project."
2008-05-16 02:43 < Werdna> indeed, I don't think that self-nomination is sufficient evidence.
2008-05-16 02:43 < Werdna> But he thinks so, and that's okay.
2008-05-16 02:43 < Liempt> I think you have to look at a person's actions.
2008-05-16 02:43 < bumm13> if self-noms were in themselves a problem, they'd be disallowed
2008-05-16 02:43 < Liempt> Exactly.
2008-05-16 02:47 < Liempt> So is it accurate that 'crats discount his votes as the transhumanist is want to believe, or are they counted as legitimate opposes?
2008-05-16 02:51 < Sky2042> Werdna: er,"and we SHOULDN'T be promoting MMORPGers to admin"... um, are you saying MMORPGers make poor admins?...
2008-05-16 02:58 < Werdna> Sky2042: yes.
2008-05-16 02:58 < Sky2042> Werdna: why?
2008-05-16 02:59 < Werdna> they don't do much useful.
2008-05-16 02:59 < Werdna> they just talk about stuff
2008-05-16 02:59 < Krimpet> we gotta check and see if the chinese MMORPG powerleveling services have added Wikipedia to their repertoire...
2008-05-16 02:59 < Sky2042> Werdna: talk about what stuff?
2008-05-16 02:59 < Werdna> Sky2042: have you never seen WP:AN/I?
2008-05-16 02:59 < Krimpet> "we'll bring your en.wiki account to admin for just $49.95!"
2008-05-16 02:59 < Werdna> or WP:AFD
2008-05-16 02:59 < Werdna> or WP:RFA
2008-05-16 03:00 < Sky2042> Werdna: and?... furthermore, how can you say for certainty that is administrators who play MMORPGs?
2008-05-16 03:00 < Sky2042> cause this*
2008-05-16 03:00 < Werdna> Sky2042: well, you can see a lot of people just talking about stuff there.
2008-05-16 03:00 < Werdna> not actually doing anything...
2008-05-16 03:01 < Werdna> I'm not talking about people who play MMORPGs
2008-05-16 03:01 < Werdna> I'm talking about people who treat wikipedia as an MMORPG
2008-05-16 03:01 < Sky2042> Werdna: ok!
2008-05-16 03:01 < Sky2042> Werdna: then I would suggest calling it something else, however.
2008-05-16 03:01 < Werdna> then what?
2008-05-16 03:01 < Sky2042> "Social site"
2008-05-16 03:01 < Sky2042> or something to that effect.
2008-05-16 03:01 < Werdna> nah
2008-05-16 03:01 < Sky2042> forum, etc.
2008-05-16 03:01 < Werdna> social site doesn't involve "levelling up"
2008-05-16 03:02 < Sky2042> o_o
2008-05-16 03:02 < Sky2042> so?
2008-05-16 03:02 < Werdna> well, that's the key feature of the analogy
2008-05-16 03:02 < Werdna> they see "admin" as "levelling up"
2008-05-16 03:04 < Sky2042> I'm still not sure that you should have said it the way you did originally. You see my confusion, of course?
2008-05-16 03:04 < Sky2042> Krimpet: also, lol.
2008-05-16 03:06 < Mike_H> bumm13: I was watching a Gimme a Break episode
2008-05-16 03:06 < Mike_H> where Nell invites her boyfriend over and the Chief hates it
2008-05-16 03:06 < Mike_H> and I was like "Nell's boyfriend looks familiar"
2008-05-16 03:07 < Mike_H> the credits just rolled, and it was Danny Glover in one of his earlier performances. :D
2008-05-16 03:07 < Mike_H> Pre-Lethal Weapon ;)
2008-05-16 03:15 < Netsniper> nice
2008-05-16 03:43 < denelson83> To Dubya: SHUT DA PHUK UP
2008-05-16 03:45 < Mike_H> NEW YORK - Oil futures ended a whipsaw session slightly lower Thursday as the expiration of options played havoc with prices, driving crude near record high levels at times and down by more than $3 a barrel at others. Retail gas prices, meanwhile, advanced past $3.77 a gallon.
2008-05-16 03:47 < denelson83> Speculators wanna bankrupt the American public
2008-05-16 03:48 < denelson83> They're ALL Bilderbergers
2008-05-16 03:48 < denelson83> Nasty fuckin' robber barons... ¬_¬
2008-05-16 04:13 < Luna-San> California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-gaymarriage16-2008may16,0,6169783.story
2008-05-16 04:17 < Lubaf> Actual line from a news story about R. Kelly's jury selection: "When the judge asked one prospective juror about his feelings regarding Kelly, he cryptically answered: "R. Kelly may have led the Taliban in attacking us on 9-11, but you can't prove it." You're right, we can't. In fact, we're fairly certain that no one has ever tried."
2008-05-16 04:34 * Mike_H NP: Air Supply - Every Woman in the World (1980)
2008-05-16 04:35 * The359 releases the Carbon Dioxide Supply
2008-05-16 04:35 < Mike_H> The359: nu.
2008-05-16 04:35 < The359> wtf us nu
2008-05-16 04:35 < The359> is
2008-05-16 04:35 < Mike_H> no.
2008-05-16 04:35 < Mike_H> nu.
2008-05-16 04:36 < Mike_H> nuuuuu.
2008-05-16 04:36 < denelson83> numa numa!
2008-05-16 04:36 * denelson83 is listening to "Big Girl (You Are Beautiful)" by Mika (4:10 - 128kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-16 04:36 < Mike_H> Mika, that's some faggy shit
2008-05-16 04:36 < Mike_H> and yes, I realize the irony since I'm listening to Air Supply
2008-05-16 04:36 * denelson83 punches Mike_H
2008-05-16 04:36 < Mike_H> but that's how faggy Mika is
2008-05-16 04:36 < denelson83> I don't care about who's singing
2008-05-16 04:36 < denelson83> I only listen to what pleases my ear
2008-05-16 04:37 < denelson83> [[Four on the floor]]: +3 points