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2008-05-15 15:42 < ideogram> oh heh turf wars
2008-05-15 15:42 < ideogram> imagine that
2008-05-15 15:42 < quanticle> '“If you’re defending in cyber, you’re already too late. Cyber delivers on the original promise of air power,” said Kass. “If you don’t dominate in cyber, you cannot dominate in other domains. If you’re a developed country, you can’t conduct daily life [after a large scale cyber attack], your life comes to a screeching halt.'
2008-05-15 15:42 < bumm13> really, if any branch needs money, it's the Army, not the damn Air Force
2008-05-15 15:42 < bumm13> lol
2008-05-15 15:42 < bumm13> "in cyber"
2008-05-15 15:42 < quanticle> bumm13: So we know how this dude like to cyber.
2008-05-15 15:42 < bumm13> sounds like a cheap hacker film from the early 90s
2008-05-15 15:43 < bumm13> haha
2008-05-15 15:43 < quanticle> bumm13: He likes it rough in the bedroom, methinks.
2008-05-15 15:43 < bumm13> apparently
2008-05-15 15:43 < CptnOrangeBeard> ooooh... virtual bedroom... kinky
2008-05-15 15:43 < quanticle> bumm13: Apparently he also likes to be on top.
2008-05-15 15:43 < CptnOrangeBeard> lol
2008-05-15 15:43 < bumm13> ah
2008-05-15 15:43 < bumm13> hiya NoPegs
2008-05-15 15:44 < CptnOrangeBeard> does nopegs have a pegged leg?
2008-05-15 15:44 < CptnOrangeBeard> I need a first mate
2008-05-15 15:45 < quanticle> "The Air Force recently put together a "Cyberspace Command," with a charter to rule networks the way its fighter jets rule the skies."
2008-05-15 15:45 < bumm13> lol
2008-05-15 15:45 * quanticle wonders why that task shouldn't be with the NSA or DARPA
2008-05-15 15:45 < bumm13> indeed
2008-05-15 15:45 < quanticle> Stupid turf wars.
2008-05-15 15:45 < CptnOrangeBeard> ... "Cyberspace Command"... sounds like a bad scifi enemy
2008-05-15 15:46 < bumm13> will their fancy cyber tools be programmed in Ada?
2008-05-15 15:46 < quanticle> CptnOrangeBeard: I think the strategy is to have our enemies rofl'ing so hard they can't type, or something.
2008-05-15 15:46 < ideogram> I seriously doubt any talented hacker will want to work for the Air Force
2008-05-15 15:46 < bumm13> indeed
2008-05-15 15:46 < quanticle> "The Department of Homeland Security, Darpa, and other agencies are teaming up for a five-year, $30 billion "national cybersecurity initiative." That includes an electronic test range, where federally-funded hackers can test out the latest electronic attacks."
2008-05-15 15:46 < bumm13> many jets, etc. have very old computer-hardware designs that are still in widespread use
2008-05-15 15:47 < CptnOrangeBeard> im not a major hacker but im enough of one to say with certainty that they do not want to work for government period
2008-05-15 15:47 * ThePolecat seriously finds the words "verce visa" in Wikipedia
2008-05-15 15:47 < bumm13> o.o
2008-05-15 15:47 < CptnOrangeBeard> lollerz
2008-05-15 15:47 < bumm13> instead of "merce mastercard"?
2008-05-15 15:47 < CptnOrangeBeard> indeed
2008-05-15 15:48 < ideogram> nothing suprises me about Wikipedia anymore
2008-05-15 15:48 < ideogram> my expectations have hit rock bottom
2008-05-15 15:48 < bumm13> $30 billion is a lot of money to simply shit down the toilet
2008-05-15 15:48 < quanticle> bumm13: Its funny, because that practice is biting the DoD on the ass right now. The electronics industry now moves on the 6-month consumer electronics schedule, rather than the multidecaded DoD schedule, so, advanced planes like the F-22 are actually running into trouble due to not having enough spares.
2008-05-15 15:48 < Vystrix_Nexoth> actually, I think "versa vice" would be correct, by Latin anyway. but "visa verce" (and vice versa) isn't.
2008-05-15 15:49 < CptnOrangeBeard> i think i have one of those... maybe the platinum card?
2008-05-15 15:49 < bumm13> quanticle: I imagine there are plenty of oddities like the AN/UYK-44 still in use, for example
2008-05-15 15:49 < ideogram> american express
2008-05-15 15:49 < CptnOrangeBeard> is there a canadian express?
2008-05-15 15:49 < ideogram> I think it's a train
2008-05-15 15:49 < ideogram> I'm hungry, what should I have for lunch?
2008-05-15 15:49 < CptnOrangeBeard> they carry trains in their wallets?
2008-05-15 15:50 < ideogram> they are just happy to see you
2008-05-15 15:50 < bumm13> sadly, it probably is good in some ways; keeps Microsoft software out of our military equipment ;p
2008-05-15 15:50 < CptnOrangeBeard> that sounds heavy?
2008-05-15 15:50 < CptnOrangeBeard> lol
2008-05-15 15:50 < ThePolecat> Exmerican Opress
2008-05-15 15:50 < CptnOrangeBeard> I would get one of those
2008-05-15 15:50 < quanticle> Hmmm. Reading more about the description, I think the Air Force is looking for a sort of exploit framework, like Metasploit, or something like that.
2008-05-15 15:50 < ThePolecat> or the Paleo-Conservative credit card... Mex-merican Oppress.
2008-05-15 15:50 < CptnOrangeBeard> loller
2008-05-15 15:50 * quanticle wonders if he can sell the Air Force a build of Metasploit, and collect his $30 million
2008-05-15 15:51 < ThePolecat> the card for the 21st century vigilante.
2008-05-15 15:51 < quanticle> Metasploit?
2008-05-15 15:51 < CptnOrangeBeard> perhaps
2008-05-15 15:51 < ideogram> vigilantes use credit cards?
2008-05-15 15:52 < bumm13> if the U.S. actually found a way to keep illegal Mexican immigrants out, we'd simply all starve to death ;p
2008-05-15 15:52 < ThePolecat> oh true, that's people tracking.
2008-05-15 15:52 < ThePolecat> so that's unpaleo.
2008-05-15 15:52 < ideogram> "they asked for labor and got people"
2008-05-15 15:52 < quanticle> "But, in the end, the Air Force wants to see all kinds of "techniques and technologies" to "Deceive, Deny, Disrupt, Degrade, [or] Destroy" hostile systems. And "in addition to these main concepts," the Research Lab would like to see studies into "Proactive Botnet Defense Technology Development," the "reinvent[ion of] the network protocol stack" and new antennas, based on carbon nanotubes."
2008-05-15 15:52 < bumm13> haha
2008-05-15 15:52 < quanticle> bumm13: So, in other words, the want magic.
2008-05-15 15:53 < quanticle> *they
2008-05-15 15:53 < ideogram> hmm someone got carried away with the buzzword generator
2008-05-15 15:53 < bumm13> yeah, basically
2008-05-15 15:53 < CptnOrangeBeard> I Invented The Internet
2008-05-15 15:53 < ThePolecat> Who knows what branch of the Trilateral Commission/Bilderberg/Rothschild trust codes the credit cards.
2008-05-15 15:53 < CptnOrangeBeard> just so you know
2008-05-15 15:53 < quanticle> ideogram: That is also a distinct possibility.
2008-05-15 15:53 < ideogram> always fun when marketroids try to talk tech
2008-05-15 15:53 < bumm13> they should have also asked for energon cubes
2008-05-15 15:53 < quanticle> I like the addendum about antennas based on carbon nanotubes at the end.
2008-05-15 15:54 * ThePolecat hopes the Excellence in Proactive Synergy at least gets the right things done.
2008-05-15 15:54 < bumm13> antennas!
2008-05-15 15:54 < ThePolecat> Mah antenner!
2008-05-15 15:54 * Messedrocker specializes in the strategies of global dynamic synergy solutions
2008-05-15 15:54 < Vystrix_Nexoth> yeah, well, I specialize in the *paradigms* of global dynamic synergy solutions.
2008-05-15 15:54 < Vystrix_Nexoth> so there!
2008-05-15 15:54 < bumm13> superscalar five-way digital radios! and megaflops P2P tank-to-tank communication!
2008-05-15 15:55 * ThePolecat strives for 100% customer satisfaction by ensuring exciting degrees of Web 2.0 quality
2008-05-15 15:55 < bumm13> :)
2008-05-15 15:55 < ideogram> p2p tanks, now that opens up a lot of interesting possibilities
2008-05-15 15:56 < bumm13> don't forget missile that implode rather than explode yet still kill their intended targets
2008-05-15 15:56 < ThePolecat> Eh... political boilerplate is my game, not marketing.
2008-05-15 15:56 < bumm13> (cold fusion, etc.)
2008-05-15 15:56 < bumm13> *missiles
2008-05-15 15:57 < bumm13> I'm surprised the Army didn't buy the old Atari MindLinks that got buried in that landfill in Alamogordo, New Mexico
2008-05-15 15:57 < bumm13> (in 1983)
2008-05-15 15:57 < ThePolecat> 25 years is a long-ass time.
2008-05-15 15:57 < bumm13> tell me about it ;p
2008-05-15 15:58 * ThePolecat skanks to Toots and the Maytals
2008-05-15 15:58 < bumm13> Mike_H music!
2008-05-15 15:58 < CptnOrangeBeard> Avast me hearties... I must be sailin' on now... perhaps I shall return an PLUNDER!!!! PLUNDER YOU ALL!!!!!
2008-05-15 15:58 < ThePolecat> not at all.
2008-05-15 15:59 < ThePolecat> Quality, non-Solid Gold reggae.
2008-05-15 15:59 < ideogram> that should be Capn
2008-05-15 15:59 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 16:00 < Candlejack> Hey
2008-05-15 16:00 < Pilotguy> Hey
2008-05-15 16:00 < ThePolecat> S.Sgt. Weasel screams at his bataillon
2008-05-15 16:00 < quanticle> Oh no! Its candleja
2008-05-15 16:01 < Anon> Newfag, you have to say candlejack to be kidnapp
2008-05-15 16:01 < Pilotguy> ?
2008-05-15 16:02 * bumm13 slaps Anon around a bit with a rotten cod
2008-05-15 16:02 < Pilotguy> ./whois newfag
2008-05-15 16:03 < Dendodge> No. You MINNOW the anons! [[WP:BITE]]
2008-05-15 16:04 < Anon> Pilotguy, quanticle is newfag
2008-05-15 16:04 < Lycurgus> who is kidnapp?
2008-05-15 16:04 * Pilotguy blinks
2008-05-15 16:05 < bumm13> Anon - please elaborate
2008-05-15 16:05 < ideogram> is this some kind of inside joke?
2008-05-15 16:05 < Lycurgus> or a wet brainfart?
2008-05-15 16:05 < Anon> bumm13, do you want me to elaborate on "newfag" or "kidnapp"
2008-05-15 16:05 < Anon> ?
2008-05-15 16:06 < Pilotguy> both! :D
2008-05-15 16:06 < Anon> okay, a newfag is one who is new to the internet
2008-05-15 16:06 < Lycurgus> k
2008-05-15 16:06 < Anon> and the candlejack joke is about the cartoon character candlejack
2008-05-15 16:07 < Anon> everytime you say candlejack, he would kidnapp you
2008-05-15 16:07 < Anon> *kidnap
2008-05-15 16:07 < Anon> usually when you were in the middle of a sentence
2008-05-15 16:07 < Lycurgus> *kidnapped
2008-05-15 16:07 < ideogram> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Newfag
2008-05-15 16:09 < The359> hmmm
2008-05-15 16:10 < The359> apparently Boeing has discovered that someone on their Philadelphia military helicopter assembly line has beeen intentionally vandalizing or sabotaging parts
2008-05-15 16:10 * bumm13 NP: Led Zeppelin - Down By the Seaside (1975)
2008-05-15 16:11 < bumm13> wb Demi
2008-05-15 16:11 < Demi> hi
2008-05-15 16:12 < Demi> i relocated to my "other office"
2008-05-15 16:12 < bumm13> heh, ok
2008-05-15 16:12 < bumm13> is that like how Fonz on Happy Days had his "office" in the men's restroom at Arnold's?
2008-05-15 16:13 < Demi> yup, pretty much like that, except with wi-fi
2008-05-15 16:13 < bumm13> \o/
2008-05-15 16:13 < Demi> though obviously the fonz and i wear the same jackets
2008-05-15 16:13 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 16:13 < Demi> wow, it's been a while since i typed on this laptop keyboard
2008-05-15 16:14 < Dendodge> It's been a while since I typed on a non-laptop keyboard
2008-05-15 16:15 < Dendodge> Except for at school
2008-05-15 16:15 < bumm13> I'm not too fond of typing on laptop keyboards
2008-05-15 16:15 < Anon> Labtop keyboards suck
2008-05-15 16:15 < Dendodge> They're easier to use, IMHO
2008-05-15 16:16 < bumm13> not for my big ol' fingers ;)
2008-05-15 16:16 < Dendodge> But I'm used to them, so...
2008-05-15 16:16 < Demi> i usually use a kinesis contour keyboard
2008-05-15 16:16 < Dendodge> ooh
2008-05-15 16:16 < bumm13> those "ergonomically-correct" ones?
2008-05-15 16:16 * Anon takes a large mallet to a labtop keyboard
2008-05-15 16:17 * Dendodge normally uses the HP keyboard built into his laptop
2008-05-15 16:17 * Dendodge takes a large mallet to Anon but stops after reading [[WP:BITE]]
2008-05-15 16:17 < bumm13> that doesn't technically apply here
2008-05-15 16:17 < Dendodge> So
2008-05-15 16:18 * Anon finally gets [[WP:BITE]]
2008-05-15 16:18 < kingturtle> rehi
2008-05-15 16:18 < bumm13> iher
2008-05-15 16:18 < Demi> bumm13 - ergonomically better for me, anyway
2008-05-15 16:18 < Dendodge> Anon=non-account=(usually) new #wikipedia=Wikipedia IRC channel=Wikipedia=policies apply
2008-05-15 16:18 < bumm13> ah
2008-05-15 16:18 < bumm13> Dendodge: that's nonsense
2008-05-15 16:18 < Dendodge> :)
2008-05-15 16:19 < Demi> the biggest difference is that the kinesis has several keys under the thumb
2008-05-15 16:19 < kingturtle> anyone interested in doing some copyediting? i've been editing an article, but it is turning into an edit war. it'd be nice to get a third party to clean the article up
2008-05-15 16:19 * bumm13 bases IRC channel law on the Prime Directive, naturally
2008-05-15 16:19 < bumm13> "law"
2008-05-15 16:20 < kingturtle> i'm not asking anyone to take my side. i am just asking for another brain to give the article a copyediting shot
2008-05-15 16:20 * bumm13 is really lagging today
2008-05-15 16:20 < Vystrix_Nexoth> kingturtle: sure, I'll have a look at it.
2008-05-15 16:21 * bumm13 NP: Aerosmith - Dream On (1973)
2008-05-15 16:23 < Demi> vallejo going bankrupt, hm
2008-05-15 16:23 < bumm13> the city government?
2008-05-15 16:23 < bumm13> not collecting enough taxes? ;p
2008-05-15 16:23 < Demi> http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/15/business/rtrcol16.php <- "Vallejo, a city in Northern California, said last week that it would file for bankruptcy, prompted by rising costs and falling tax receipts due to the housing slump."
2008-05-15 16:24 < bumm13> oh dear
2008-05-15 16:24 < bumm13> this is a city with a *theme park*, no less
2008-05-15 16:25 < Demi> maybe everyone will go to marine world with their stimulus checks
2008-05-15 16:26 < bumm13> lol
2008-05-15 16:26 < bumm13> or get drunk
2008-05-15 16:27 < Demi> won't everyone buy HDTVs?
2008-05-15 16:27 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 16:27 < Demi> the government is mandating i buy one, and then sending me a check for $1500
2008-05-15 16:27 < Demi> i think the hint is pretty clear
2008-05-15 16:28 < bumm13> so we can see the skin pores of the idiots on reality TV shows much more clearly
2008-05-15 16:29 < bumm13> 500 channel and nothing is on.....in high-definition!
2008-05-15 16:29 < bumm13> *channels
2008-05-15 16:29 < Vystrix_Nexoth> which is better than 500 channels of nothing in standard-definition.
2008-05-15 16:30 < Demi> i know i'll just *die* if i can't see robot chicken in hi-def
2008-05-15 16:30 < bumm13> enough to pay for a new set? :P
2008-05-15 16:30 < bumm13> Demi - or Cheaters
2008-05-15 16:30 < Demi> bumm13 - exactly
2008-05-15 16:30 < Demi> (actually i watch that show sometimes :/ )
2008-05-15 16:30 < bumm13> they show that trash on PDX 49 in the Portland TV market
2008-05-15 16:30 < bumm13> heehee
2008-05-15 16:32 < Demi> oh heavens, the people next to me are talking about intelligent design
2008-05-15 16:32 < Demi> oh, they're ridiculing it, whew
2008-05-15 16:32 < bumm13> :(
2008-05-15 16:32 < bumm13> still...
2008-05-15 16:32 < Demi> that ben stein ID propagandumentary is playing here :(
2008-05-15 16:32 < bumm13> Ben Stein is a loser
2008-05-15 16:33 < Demi> that's very irritating
2008-05-15 16:33 < Demi> it's like finding a chick tract for sale in a bookstore
2008-05-15 16:34 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 16:34 < Demi> i'll bet there are places you can find that
2008-05-15 16:35 < Demi> actually next to the movie theater downtown here is one of those christian science reading rooms, but i never really understood what those were about
2008-05-15 16:35 * bumm13 NP: Nirvana - Jesus Doesn't Want Me For A Sunbeam (live - 1993)
2008-05-15 16:35 < bumm13> (actually came up randomly)
2008-05-15 16:35 < Demi> hehe
2008-05-15 16:35 < Vystrix_Nexoth> it's a sign.
2008-05-15 16:37 < bumm13> it's telling me to play Bible Adventures on an emulator
2008-05-15 16:39 < Kofiz> lol wisdom tree... my dad sent me [[Spiritual Warfare (video game)]] a few days ago for my nes collection :D
2008-05-15 16:39 < bumm13> so you got it for free?
2008-05-15 16:39 < Alkivar> This is why i hate looking for tech work in maine
2008-05-15 16:39 < Kofiz> yesss
2008-05-15 16:39 < Alkivar> Job Requirements: . Strong Unix Systems Administration experience (minimum of 3 years) Strong Sun Solaris hardware support experience (minimum of 3 years) Solid Cisco Router and Firewall support experience (minimum of 2 years) Solid LAN and WAN experience VPN support experience - both Site-to-Site and Remote Client Apache Server and IIS support experience Working Knowledge of DNS and SMTP Perl programming ability, including data base access and CGI Ver
2008-05-15 16:39 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 16:39 < bumm13> zomg flood!
2008-05-15 16:40 < Alkivar> thats 4 different people's jobs
2008-05-15 16:40 < Alkivar> they're hiring 1 person to do it all
2008-05-15 16:40 < Alkivar> oh did i mention they're only offering 27k a year for that position?
2008-05-15 16:40 < zocky> "Although its unfortunate name is bound to be the source of many office jokes, the MSI Wind is certainly the strongest challenger to the near monopoly that the Asus EEE PC has on the ultra cheap, ultra portable laptop market."
2008-05-15 16:40 < Demi> haha, Alkivar
2008-05-15 16:40 < tawker2> Alkivar: yep
2008-05-15 16:40 < tawker2> Alkivar: and the pay is likely shite too
2008-05-15 16:40 < zocky> the "near monopoly"?
2008-05-15 16:40 < tawker2> 27K?
2008-05-15 16:40 < tawker2> Alkivar: is that a joke
2008-05-15 16:40 < zocky> wasn't asus's eee the only product on that market so far?
2008-05-15 16:40 < Alkivar> yes 27k + benefits
2008-05-15 16:40 < bumm13> Kofiz: I actually prefer Bible Adv. to Spiritual Warfare (game-wise) :x
2008-05-15 16:40 < Alkivar> i interviewed for that
2008-05-15 16:40 < Demi> Alkivar - 27k whats?
2008-05-15 16:40 < tawker2> how cheap is housign
2008-05-15 16:40 < Demi> portuguese johannes?
2008-05-15 16:40 < Alkivar> when they offered me 27k i laughed in their faces and walked out
2008-05-15 16:40 < tawker2> 27K is peanuts
2008-05-15 16:41 < bumm13> Portugal used escudos ;)
2008-05-15 16:41 < tawker2> really, tech skills are hot
2008-05-15 16:41 < tawker2> and it's constant training
2008-05-15 16:41 * soufron hello
2008-05-15 16:41 < tawker2> and guess what - people don't go to university for years to make minimum
2008-05-15 16:41 < tawker2> hi soufron
2008-05-15 16:41 < Alkivar> no joke
2008-05-15 16:41 < Alkivar> not to mention they want someone who's familiar with sun hardware... apple hardware AND cisco hardware
2008-05-15 16:41 < bumm13> Maine: Lobsters, Stephen King and Moxie!
2008-05-15 16:42 < Alkivar> oh and has certifications for all 3!
2008-05-15 16:42 < Alkivar> they really want someone with certifications for all 3
2008-05-15 16:42 < tawker2> they've gotta be joking
2008-05-15 16:42 < tawker2> certs are useless
2008-05-15 16:42 < Demi> jobs that ask for certifications at all, i think, are a warning sign
2008-05-15 16:42 < bumm13> tell them you want a new Harley
2008-05-15 16:42 < tawker2> i've seen guys w/ certs who are grossly incompetent
2008-05-15 16:42 < Alkivar> i'm taking my CCNA test in June... i've already passed one of the 2 apple certifications
2008-05-15 16:42 < tawker2> yep
2008-05-15 16:42 < tawker2> CCNA is useful
2008-05-15 16:43 < Alkivar> thats why i'm taking the test
2008-05-15 16:43 * tawker2 finds the whole thing where people have A+ and think they know everything
2008-05-15 16:43 < tawker2> it's pretty funny
2008-05-15 16:43 < bumm13> A+ for the roffle
2008-05-15 16:43 < Alkivar> i got my A+ in 1999
2008-05-15 16:43 < tawker2> w/ a CCNA you're 50K minimum
2008-05-15 16:43 < tawker2> heh
2008-05-15 16:43 < tawker2> I never bothered
2008-05-15 16:43 < Alkivar> i took it drunk
2008-05-15 16:43 < Alkivar> no joke
2008-05-15 16:43 < tawker2> heh
2008-05-15 16:43 < Alkivar> i was actually drunk when i walked in to take the test at 9am on a sunday
2008-05-15 16:43 < tawker2> well, it's only the big box stores that want A+
2008-05-15 16:43 < tawker2> and I think we all know big box stores don't know how to hire for IT
2008-05-15 16:44 < tawker2> at the store level
2008-05-15 16:44 < Alkivar> yeah well you'd be amazed though dude
2008-05-15 16:44 < bumm13> indeed
2008-05-15 16:44 < Alkivar> to get the IBM/Lenovo certs
2008-05-15 16:44 < Alkivar> you need to have an A+ first
2008-05-15 16:44 < Alkivar> to get the Dell Server certs ... you have to have an A+ first
2008-05-15 16:44 < Alkivar> alot of these manufacturer specific certs require your fucking A+ cert # to even authorize you to take the training
2008-05-15 16:44 < tawker2> bleh, I'm not going that path
2008-05-15 16:44 < tawker2> to me, it's too high of stress
2008-05-15 16:44 < Alkivar> i was working a tech bench doing manufacturer warranty work
2008-05-15 16:45 < tawker2> and people abuse the daylights out of you
2008-05-15 16:45 < Alkivar> so i had to take these fucking manufacturer specific cert tests
2008-05-15 16:45 < Alkivar> whats funny is 99% of these certs are online multiple guess questions
2008-05-15 16:45 < tawker2> heh
2008-05-15 16:45 < Alkivar> and you can have an open google search when your doing it
2008-05-15 16:45 < Alkivar> as well as printed manuals
2008-05-15 16:45 < Alkivar> they arent timed
2008-05-15 16:45 < tawker> heh
2008-05-15 16:45 < Alkivar> so why the fuck do you need the A+????
2008-05-15 16:46 < Demi> it's just something to put
2008-05-15 16:46 < Alkivar> not to mention they're end of lifing the A+ exams
2008-05-15 16:46 < Alkivar> the first exam is now going to be Net+
2008-05-15 16:46 < Alkivar> which is the A+ plus basic networking
2008-05-15 16:46 < Demi> like when people write job descriptions and don't actually know what's needed, they put certificate requirements
2008-05-15 16:46 < Demi> that's why i think it's a red flag
2008-05-15 16:46 < tawker> yeah
2008-05-15 16:46 < Alkivar> i dont even know where the fuck my A+ cert is
2008-05-15 16:46 < Alkivar> the company that i tested at doesnt exist anymore
2008-05-15 16:46 < Alkivar> i cant even prove i have the A+ anymore
2008-05-15 16:47 < tawker> I think I've got some cisco thing which is more or less the same stuff as an A+
2008-05-15 16:47 < Alkivar> but its still on my resume to shut the HR tards who cant find the power button up
2008-05-15 16:47 < Demi> i have a certificate of boating safety from the state of california, that's what i usually list for certifications
2008-05-15 16:47 < tawker> Demi: lol
2008-05-15 16:47 < tawker> oh yeah, you need boat licenses down there
2008-05-15 16:47 < Alkivar> Demi: for the longest time i had my NRA Distingushed Expert listed ;)
2008-05-15 16:47 < tawker> well, we do too
2008-05-15 16:47 * tawker creates the Wiki Cert Authority
2008-05-15 16:47 < tawker> just to issue meaningless certs
2008-05-15 16:47 < Alkivar> lol
2008-05-15 16:47 < Demi> tawker - you don't really, it actually doesn't let you do anything you can't otherwise do; and for lots of small craft you just need a driver's license
2008-05-15 16:48 < Demi> tawker - that's actually not that bad an idea
2008-05-15 16:48 < Alkivar> my friend lists his Pilot's License under his certifications section
2008-05-15 16:48 < Demi> like a free brainbench, sort of
2008-05-15 16:48 < Alkivar> lol i have some of those brainbench certs
2008-05-15 16:48 < tawker> well, it shows you're not a drone
2008-05-15 16:48 < Alkivar> what a fucking waste of time that shit is
2008-05-15 16:48 < tawker> heh
2008-05-15 16:48 < tawker> there's literally 2 types of companies in IT
2008-05-15 16:48 < tawker> those that get it (never see certs)
2008-05-15 16:48 < Alkivar> i was working 3rd shift and bored and the company had a contract with brainbench for stuff
2008-05-15 16:48 < tawker> and those that don't
2008-05-15 16:48 < Demi> LITERALLY!
2008-05-15 16:49 < Alkivar> so i just took whatever i felt like to cure my boredom
2008-05-15 16:49 < Alkivar> i have like 7 brainbench certs
2008-05-15 16:49 < Alkivar> none of them are worth the paper their printed on
2008-05-15 16:49 < Demi> tawker - there's a third kind, i think, which is where they hire on the basis of ability, but encourage obtaining certificates for marketing services
2008-05-15 16:49 < Alkivar> sometimes theres no choice
2008-05-15 16:49 < Alkivar> if you run certain types of shops
2008-05-15 16:49 < Alkivar> you have to get certs
2008-05-15 16:49 < tawker> warranty etc
2008-05-15 16:49 < tawker> yeah
2008-05-15 16:49 < tawker> well, here's the thing
2008-05-15 16:50 < tawker> I wonder how many of these companies that claim to have certs actually do
2008-05-15 16:50 < Dendodge> It's illegal to falsely claim them
2008-05-15 16:51 < Alkivar> no its not
2008-05-15 16:51 < Alkivar> as long as 1 person in the shop has the cert
2008-05-15 16:51 < Alkivar> they can claim the whole shop is certified
2008-05-15 16:51 < Alkivar> and with companies with 60 locations... 1 person at any location is enough to keep the manufacturers quiet
2008-05-15 16:52 < Demi> like auditing certificatons (don't get me started) no one has an interest in having non-certified, unapproved people
2008-05-15 16:52 < Alkivar> someone wanna nuke this as bandcruft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_Crew
2008-05-15 16:52 * bumm13 is a certified nut
2008-05-15 16:53 < tawker> heh
2008-05-15 16:53 * tawker issues the cert from WikiCert
2008-05-15 16:55 < tawker> Alkivar: done
2008-05-15 16:56 < tawker> well, here's the thing
2008-05-15 16:56 < tawker> I've decided IT will all be outsourced sooner or later
2008-05-15 16:56 < tawker> in house IT will be a thing of the past
2008-05-15 16:56 < Lycurgus> bullshit
2008-05-15 16:57 < Messedrocker> outsourced IT will be abandoned once it's realized that it's shit
2008-05-15 16:57 < tawker> Messedrocker: not overseas
2008-05-15 16:57 < tawker> it's going to be domestic
2008-05-15 16:57 < tawker> it's just going to be managed service providers
2008-05-15 16:57 < tawker> salesforce etc
2008-05-15 16:57 < tawker> thin clients
2008-05-15 16:57 < Demi> you can't outsource all IT. eventually there is the last company in the line that can't outsource.
2008-05-15 16:58 < Lycurgus> corporate US is no more going to outsource it's critical IT functions than say the military would weapons development or any other critical strategic development
2008-05-15 16:58 < Demi> sure they will. in lots of cases they already have.
2008-05-15 16:58 < Alkivar> Ahahahahahaha
2008-05-15 16:58 < Lycurgus> you might want to look into some studies of US outsourcing in a little more depth
2008-05-15 16:58 < Alkivar> SOMEONE RICKROLLED THE FUCKING AFD FOR ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA
2008-05-15 16:59 < Alkivar> LOL
2008-05-15 16:59 < tawker> Alkivar: caps...
2008-05-15 16:59 < Alkivar> We're no strangers to love. You know the rules, and so do I. Neapolitan Sixth (talk) 20:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
2008-05-15 16:59 < tawker> Lycurgus: lol
2008-05-15 16:59 < Lycurgus> it's low level shit that gets outsources for the most part
2008-05-15 16:59 < Lycurgus> *outsourced
2008-05-15 16:59 < Demi> i think people are using three or four different definitions of "outsource" here
2008-05-15 17:00 < tawker> yeah
2008-05-15 17:00 * Vystrix_Nexoth consults an outside company to get a definition of "outsource"
2008-05-15 17:00 * Demi hands Vystrix_Nexoth a giant binder, charges $768,000
2008-05-15 17:00 < kingturtle> anyone interested in doing some copyediting? i've been editing an article, but it is turning into an edit war. it'd be nice to get a third party to clean the article up
2008-05-15 17:00 < kingturtle> i'm not asking anyone to take my side. i am just asking for another brain to give the article a copyediting shot
2008-05-15 17:01 < Lycurgus> I think the peak of programmer outsourcing was a few years ago.
2008-05-15 17:01 < CrazyChemGuy> Is there an alternative tool that does the same thing as http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/templates/?type=pmid but is currently functioning? That citation tool for PMIDs seems to be down.
2008-05-15 17:02 < tawker> actually, I find it funny
2008-05-15 17:02 < tawker> I wonder what some companies actually do these days
2008-05-15 17:02 < tawker> most of their operations seem to be outsourced
2008-05-15 17:03 < tawker> are they literally just payment facilitators for various outsourcers?
2008-05-15 17:03 < Demi> tawker - they're focusing on their "core business"
2008-05-15 17:03 * Lycurgus sends tawker to Capitalism 101.
2008-05-15 17:04 < tawker> Lycurgus: I know what it is
2008-05-15 17:04 < tawker> it's a political comment
2008-05-15 17:04 < tawker> in a way
2008-05-15 17:05 < Lycurgus> <- a radical. Radical means "get to root of".
2008-05-15 17:07 < Lycurgus> in a world of superficility and confused issues and understand people who think things out clearly and to their fundaments come off as freaks.
2008-05-15 17:07 < Lycurgus> *superficiality
2008-05-15 17:07 < Lycurgus> *issues and understanding
2008-05-15 17:08 < Lycurgus> so although you say you know what it is, I wonder if in fact your appreciation is suffictient.
2008-05-15 17:08 < tawker> is our appreciation ever enough
2008-05-15 17:08 < tawker> that's the problem.... there's so much we must know nowadays
2008-05-15 17:08 < Lycurgus> *n
2008-05-15 17:08 < tawker> to understand our complex system
2008-05-15 17:09 < Kofiz> Guys I posted something on a talk page last night mostly because I wanted to be entertained by a possible flame war, was that bad
2008-05-15 17:09 < Alkivar> nah
2008-05-15 17:09 < Alkivar> we do that shit all the time
2008-05-15 17:09 < Alkivar> its called AFD/DRV
2008-05-15 17:10 < Lycurgus> yeah that was really bad unless they just blew your ass off
2008-05-15 17:10 < Kofiz> It didn't even work, it got no replies :P
2008-05-15 17:10 < Lycurgus> in which case it was poetic justice
2008-05-15 17:16 * Ziggy_Sawdust is free as a bird now
2008-05-15 17:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> AND AS BIRDS YOU CANNOT CHANGE
2008-05-15 17:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> OH WOO OH WOO OH WOO OH WOO OH
2008-05-15 17:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> AND AS BIRDS YOU CANNOT CHANGE
2008-05-15 17:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> OH WOO OH WOO OH WOO OH WOO OH
2008-05-15 17:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> okay, I'll stop now
2008-05-15 17:17 < tawker> Ziggy_Sawdust: caps....
2008-05-15 17:17 < tawker> oh, ok
2008-05-15 17:17 < nsh> you keep doin' your thing
2008-05-15 17:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> :D
2008-05-15 17:17 < Fou-Lu> lol
2008-05-15 17:17 * tawker was just about to +q Ziggy_Sawdust
2008-05-15 17:17 * Ziggy_Sawdust was just about to open WMP
2008-05-15 17:18 * Fou-Lu is saving those Ziggy_Sawdust quotes
2008-05-15 17:21 < Ziggy_Sawdust> XD
2008-05-15 17:21 * gwern envies: http://www.roflking.com/pictures/assorted 21/.thumbs/lr_1150333657956.jpg
2008-05-15 17:22 < Ziggy_Sawdust> gwern: lolwut?
2008-05-15 17:22 < Ziggy_Sawdust> gives me a 404
2008-05-15 17:23 < The359> probably because of the space
2008-05-15 17:24 < gwern> yeah. spaces don't help
2008-05-15 17:24 < gwern> strange how they're legal, it seems
2008-05-15 17:24 < The359> is it supposed to be a %20 or is the space not there at all?
2008-05-15 17:24 < ggreer> they're not. browsers just turn them into %20 automagically
2008-05-15 17:24 < Fou-Lu> or a _
2008-05-15 17:25 * gwern copied from the FF location bar, so I doubt the automagic part
2008-05-15 17:25 < The359> %20, deleting the space, and _ doesn't work at all
2008-05-15 17:25 < gwern> I mean, what the heck is automagically? It's not even on wikipedia! :)
2008-05-15 17:25 * The359 can't help but think the period helps either
2008-05-15 17:25 < The359> doesn't help
2008-05-15 17:26 < gwern> 'Instead, our politicians repeatedly assure Americans that they are just "folks," a patronizing term that you will search for in vain in important presidential speeches before 1980. (Just imagine: "We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain . . . and that government of the folks, by the folks, for the folks, shall not perish from the earth.")'
2008-05-15 17:26 < Demi> it's a space in the location bar
2008-05-15 17:26 < Demi> the URL that is being requested is escaped
2008-05-15 17:32 < Alkivar> someone just called me a racist
2008-05-15 17:32 < Alkivar> i'm not a racist...
2008-05-15 17:32 < Alkivar> racism is a crime....
2008-05-15 17:32 < Alkivar> and crime is for black people
2008-05-15 17:32 < Alkivar> :P
2008-05-15 17:33 < DoubleAW> how do I change my wikipedia hostmask
2008-05-15 17:34 < Alkivar> ask any of the ircops
2008-05-15 17:34 < Alkivar> they can do it for you
2008-05-15 17:34 < ST47> steffers
2008-05-15 17:34 < DoubleAW> well who are those dudes
2008-05-15 17:34 < ST47> staffers, even
2008-05-15 17:34 < Demi> stouffers
2008-05-15 17:34 < ST47> /stats p
2008-05-15 17:34 < DoubleAW> I remember they had that site that you put in what you wanted it to be, and they'd give you a wikipedia/blah hostmask
2008-05-15 17:34 < ST47> or #freenode
2008-05-15 17:34 < Alkivar> ask in #freenode
2008-05-15 17:34 < ST47> oh woit, don't
2008-05-15 17:34 < Alkivar> most of the ircops arent identified right now
2008-05-15 17:35 < ST47> oh wait, don't
2008-05-15 17:35 < ST47> Ask seanw
2008-05-15 17:35 < ST47> He is the god of hostmasks
2008-05-15 17:35 < DoubleAW> yeah, it was sean
2008-05-15 17:35 < DoubleAW> seanw: can you change my hostmask?
2008-05-15 17:35 < ST47> He's afk
2008-05-15 17:35 < DoubleAW> he's away
2008-05-15 17:35 < DoubleAW> yep
2008-05-15 17:35 < ST47> /msg memoserv send seanw zOMG I LUV U!
2008-05-15 17:36 < ST47> (replacing the last bit with your message)
2008-05-15 17:36 < DoubleAW> sent
2008-05-15 17:36 < gwern> Q: What did the Zen Buddhist say to the Hot Dog Vendor? A: Make me one with everything.
2008-05-15 17:36 < gwern> The vendor hands him the hot dog, and the Buddhist says "Can I have my change?"
2008-05-15 17:36 < gwern> The vendor shakes his head and replies, "Change must come from within."
2008-05-15 17:36 < Mike_H> ST47: hawt.
2008-05-15 17:37 * ST47 stares at Mike_H
2008-05-15 17:37 * Mike_H eyes ST47.
2008-05-15 17:37 < Mike_H> How you doin'?
2008-05-15 17:37 < ST47> alright
2008-05-15 17:37 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-05-15 17:37 < DoubleAW> gwern: nice
2008-05-15 17:37 < ST47> (How do you spell that? One l or two??)
2008-05-15 17:38 < DoubleAW> all right is with a space
2008-05-15 17:38 < DoubleAW> alright is with one l
2008-05-15 17:39 < kmccoy> Mike_H! I'm going to see Yo Yo Ma in concert tonight. I'm really excited.
2008-05-15 17:39 < bumm13> hiya kmccoy
2008-05-15 17:39 < kmccoy> bumm13!
2008-05-15 17:39 < bumm13> in what city?
2008-05-15 17:39 < kmccoy> Columbus, OH
2008-05-15 17:39 < bumm13> cool :)
2008-05-15 17:39 < kmccoy> Yeah. :)
2008-05-15 17:40 < kmccoy> It was just a spur of the moment thing when we saw his name on the theatre's marquee next to the hotel.
2008-05-15 17:40 < bumm13> heh, nice
2008-05-15 17:43 < Kofiz> what does it say about me that I am making ascii art of charlie parker
2008-05-15 17:43 < bumm13> you like jazz?
2008-05-15 17:43 < nsh> http://carryabigsticker.com/images/mirko_lib_just.jpg
2008-05-15 17:43 < nsh> enough to bring the objectum-sexual out in anyone
2008-05-15 17:45 * Mike_H NP: The Cars - Drive (1984)
2008-05-15 17:45 < bumm13> The Cars :)
2008-05-15 17:45 < CrazyChemGuy> What's a way to say "It has also been established that low doses of aspirin may also be given immediately after a heart attack to reduce the risk of another heart attack or death of cardiac tissue." ; it seems like that sentence has some sort of grammar issue
2008-05-15 17:46 < Mike_H> bumm13: :)
2008-05-15 17:46 < bumm13> sounds fine to me
2008-05-15 17:47 < Kofiz> two alsos
2008-05-15 17:47 < bumm13> yeah, that's a bit redundant
2008-05-15 17:48 < bumm13> remove the second "also"
2008-05-15 17:48 < CrazyChemGuy> "It has also been established that low doses of aspirin may be given immediately after a heart attack to reduce the risk of another heart attack or of the death of cardiac tissue."
2008-05-15 17:50 * Mike_H NP: Belinda Carlisle - Heaven is a Place on Earth (1987)
2008-05-15 17:50 < bumm13> I remember that song
2008-05-15 17:50 < Mike_H> bumm13: ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth?
2008-05-15 17:51 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 17:59 * bumm13 NP: Great White - Rock Me (1987)
2008-05-15 17:59 < gwern> wow. it's the 10th anniversary of Bruce Schneier's Crypto-Gram
2008-05-15 18:00 * gwern likes Crypto-Gram a lot, btw
2008-05-15 18:00 * Mike_H NP: Stacey Q - Two of Hearts (1986)
2008-05-15 18:00 < bumm13> beat as one? :-)
2008-05-15 18:00 < Mike_H> bumm13: I need you! I need you!
2008-05-15 18:00 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 18:01 < Kofiz> Mike H is playing everything from the 80s music channel I listened to when I still had digital cable :o
2008-05-15 18:02 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 18:02 < kmccoy> Mike lives in the 80s.
2008-05-15 18:02 < kmccoy> ;)
2008-05-15 18:02 < bumm13> I only had *analog* cable TV once during the 80s :o
2008-05-15 18:02 < Mike_H> kmccoy: :D
2008-05-15 18:03 < Kofiz> now he needs to play Oh Sheila
2008-05-15 18:03 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-15 18:03 < bumm13> back when Spike was TNN (as in Nashville)
2008-05-15 18:04 < Mike_H> Kofiz: omg
2008-05-15 18:04 < Mike_H> I have one better
2008-05-15 18:04 * Mike_H NP: DeBarge - Who's Holding Donna Now (1985)
2008-05-15 18:04 < Naria> How long does a Deletion Review take to be accepted or declined?
2008-05-15 18:04 < Kofiz> Real Life - Send me an Angel
2008-05-15 18:04 < Kofiz> or that
2008-05-15 18:04 < bumm13> (1983)
2008-05-15 18:06 < bumm13> here's a different sort of 80s tune
2008-05-15 18:06 < Kofiz> [[Catch Me (I'm Falling)]] <-- oh sweet I won a bet I made with my middle school teacher that I forgot about until now, it's Pretty Poison and not Debbie Gibson
2008-05-15 18:06 * bumm13 NP: Black Flag - Police Story (1981)
2008-05-15 18:07 < Naria> Anyone?
2008-05-15 18:07 < bumm13> Naria: it varies, I'd imagine
2008-05-15 18:23 < Malesca> GFDL question. If I were to use a Wikipedia article as part of a webpage (verbatim or modified) that has additional content, would I be required to license the entire page under GFDL, or just the copied/derivative content?
2008-05-15 18:24 * Sky2042 perks up to that question, and its related answer.
2008-05-15 18:29 * quanticle hears dead silence
2008-05-15 18:30 < Messedrocker> there is a charity basketball game at my school
2008-05-15 18:30 * bumm13 NP: Stooges - I Wanna Be Your Dog (1969)
2008-05-15 18:30 < Messedrocker> but i am weary about going
2008-05-15 18:30 < Messedrocker> fucking school people
2008-05-15 18:30 < Messedrocker> supposedly it'll be a spectacle though
2008-05-15 18:31 < bumm13> who is playing?
2008-05-15 18:31 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Wary, not weary.
2008-05-15 18:32 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Unless going to the game will make you exceptionally tired.
2008-05-15 18:34 < Messedrocker> i just don't feel like seeing people from school
2008-05-15 18:34 < Messedrocker> oh also i get extra credit for going
2008-05-15 18:44 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Messedrocker: bring a TI-84
2008-05-15 18:45 < ThePolecat> Hoola-hoop!
2008-05-15 18:46 < Messedrocker> Ziggy_Sawdust, I have a TI-89 Titanium
2008-05-15 18:46 < Messedrocker> HOWS ABOUT THAT
2008-05-15 18:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> ZOMFG
2008-05-15 18:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> doesn't support the TI-84's programs though
2008-05-15 18:46 * ThePolecat spent his high school days with a very basic Casio calculator
2008-05-15 18:46 * quanticle just has a Ti-89 regular.
2008-05-15 18:47 * quanticle went through high school with a Ti-83
2008-05-15 18:49 * Cream uses TI-84
2008-05-15 18:49 * Dendodge invites anybody with knowledge of Nazi Germany, or who just wants to improve the encyclopedia, to #wikipedia-spotlight - the now re-activated version.
2008-05-15 18:49 < Cream> actually
2008-05-15 18:49 < Cream> it's a Plus Silver Edition
2008-05-15 18:52 < quanticle> Cream: Ah. You're one of those cake eaters who can afford the deluxe editions, eh? :D
2008-05-15 18:52 < bumm13> I have an old TI-82 that I rarely use :)
2008-05-15 18:53 * Krimpet has a "TI-36X Solar." all I need. ;p
2008-05-15 18:54 * quanticle has a Ti-30X Solar as well.
2008-05-15 18:54 < Kofiz> now you're just making stuff up
2008-05-15 18:55 < Krimpet> Ubuntu has a nice algebra system in here somewhere, for when I need it
2008-05-15 18:55 < dquestions> is the weather just really bad right now in northern cali or.. is it extremely hot in other places too @tm?
2008-05-15 18:56 < Krimpet> it's awful nice here in Rochester, NY...
2008-05-15 18:56 < Krimpet> mid 60's, sunny, just a tad overcast. :)
2008-05-15 18:56 < dquestions> =-(
2008-05-15 18:56 < Messedrocker> what's the way to get started with the design of a web page?
2008-05-15 18:56 < Messedrocker> i haven't designed a website in years
2008-05-15 18:56 < Demi> confucius say, people in northeast should not boast about weather
2008-05-15 18:57 < dquestions> lol
2008-05-15 18:57 < Kofiz> hot here in santa cruz too
2008-05-15 18:57 < Messedrocker> Krimpet, now i am thinking about ebaum
2008-05-15 18:57 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: go into notepad and type "<html><head>"?
2008-05-15 18:57 < dquestions> 98 F here
2008-05-15 18:57 < dquestions> damn it
2008-05-15 18:57 < Demi> dquestions - do you live in the central valley?
2008-05-15 18:57 < Demi> i grew up in sacramento, where the weather is great if you like heatstroke
2008-05-15 18:57 < dquestions> i'm at school, near palo alto...
2008-05-15 18:57 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: thankfully, I've never seen any presence of ebaums world up here, ever.
2008-05-15 18:57 < Demi> 98 is pretty hot for the peninsula
2008-05-15 18:57 < dquestions> yeah wt f=-(
2008-05-15 18:58 < Krimpet> Demi: it's crap in this city all other days of the year <_<
2008-05-15 18:58 < Kofiz> heat stroke sucks i got it twice :(
2008-05-15 18:58 < Krimpet> only 3 more years and I can get out of here. :)
2008-05-15 18:58 < dquestions> o.o
2008-05-15 18:58 < Demi> Krimpet - i'm not down on the northeast in general, but i don't like the weather most of the time
2008-05-15 18:58 * quanticle gets out after one more semester
2008-05-15 18:59 < bumm13> 79 F here at the moment
2008-05-15 18:59 < Demi> Kofiz - i don't know if it's still like this but i remember in santa cruz 85+ would make the paper
2008-05-15 18:59 < Krimpet> Demi: oh, what don't you like, the summers or the winters?
2008-05-15 18:59 < Demi> Krimpet - exactly
2008-05-15 18:59 < Demi> though to be fair i've never been there for an actual winter
2008-05-15 19:00 < bumm13> it doesn't exactly snow in the lower elevations of California :P
2008-05-15 19:00 < bumm13> it can get cool at night though in the winter
2008-05-15 19:00 < Krimpet> I grew up in Philly, the seasons kinda felt "just right."
2008-05-15 19:00 < bumm13> o.o
2008-05-15 19:00 < bumm13> 95 F with high humidity is "just right"?
2008-05-15 19:00 < Demi> back east, the summers are uncomfortable because the humidity is high and people are being assholes to you
2008-05-15 19:01 < Krimpet> better than 110 F with high humidity. :p
2008-05-15 19:01 < Demi> though maybe some people don't consider assholes part of the weather
2008-05-15 19:01 < Krimpet> I spent a summer in TX, and two winters in ROC, and both make back home feel like nothing <_<