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2008-05-14 23:40 < privatemusings> full impulse is something I experience every once in while.....
2008-05-14 23:40 < ijustam> lame
2008-05-14 23:40 < Sky2042> Alkivar: skeet skeet
2008-05-14 23:40 < privatemusings> gets me in trouble occasionally...
2008-05-14 23:40 < Sky2042> what's warp 1?...
2008-05-14 23:40 < Sky2042> 2x c?
2008-05-14 23:40 < quanticle> bumm13: Because, I like some of XFCE's other features.
2008-05-14 23:40 < quanticle> bumm13: Its also because I have a sense of aesthetics.
2008-05-14 23:40 < ijustam> xfce has features?
2008-05-14 23:40 < ijustam> whoa
2008-05-14 23:40 < Mark_Ryan> "impulse power is therefore customarily limited to a maximum of ¼ lightspeed"
2008-05-14 23:41 < The359> Full Impulse is not light speed
2008-05-14 23:41 * The359 was going to say 3/4ths
2008-05-14 23:41 < Sky2042> Ok, warp 1 is presumably 1c... what's 2c?
2008-05-14 23:41 < Mark_Ryan> warp 1 is light speed, right?
2008-05-14 23:41 < The359> but 1/4ths makes sense
2008-05-14 23:41 < quanticle> ijustam: Compared to twm, XFCE's practically bloated with them...
2008-05-14 23:41 < Alkivar> According to the show, "full impulse" is light speed (300 million kilometres per second)
2008-05-14 23:41 < Sky2042> ask...
2008-05-14 23:41 < The359> Yes, Warp 1 is 1c
2008-05-14 23:41 < bumm13> quanticle: sense of aesthetics, how snooty of you ;)
2008-05-14 23:41 * Sky2042 goes away and looks it up
2008-05-14 23:41 * privatemusings is a close personal friend of Patrick Stewart, having met him for 20minutes once 10 years ago.....
2008-05-14 23:41 < The359> When did they say that on the show, Alkivar?
2008-05-14 23:41 < bumm13> haha
2008-05-14 23:41 * privatemusings will ask him.
2008-05-14 23:41 < Alkivar> thats from the Star Trek Tech Manual pdf i just downloaded lol
2008-05-14 23:41 < Sky2042> The359: then warp 2 is 2c...?
2008-05-14 23:41 < The359> the Star Trek Technical Manual?
2008-05-14 23:41 < The359> no, Sky2042
2008-05-14 23:42 < The359> It's a curved scale
2008-05-14 23:42 < Sky2042> Alkivar: just go look it up on memory alpha -_-
2008-05-14 23:42 * The359 gets out his physical Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual
2008-05-14 23:42 < Sky2042> The359: as in exponential?
2008-05-14 23:42 < Sky2042> or logarithimic
2008-05-14 23:42 < Alkivar> http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Generation-Technical-Unnumbered/dp/0671704273/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210822934&sr=8-1
2008-05-14 23:42 < The359> the Star Trek Technical Manual was unofficial, Alkivar, I think
2008-05-14 23:42 < The359> from the 1970s
2008-05-14 23:42 < Mark_Ryan> i own that, actually
2008-05-14 23:42 < The359> ok, that's the one I have, Alkivar
2008-05-14 23:42 < The359> let me get it out
2008-05-14 23:42 < The359> if I can find it
2008-05-14 23:43 < quanticle> This has to be one of my favorite Penny Arcade strips of all time - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/11/
2008-05-14 23:43 < quanticle> Tycho's expression in panel 3 seals the deal.
2008-05-14 23:43 * The359 has the DS9 Technical Manual as well ;)
2008-05-14 23:44 < The359> 6.1 Impulse Drive
2008-05-14 23:44 < Sky2042> memory alpha says impulse was .8 of warp 1 in 2270; while i haven't checked what warp 1 is, then presumably impulse is neither 1/4 nor full speed.
2008-05-14 23:44 < The359> "High impulse operations, specifically velocities above 0.75c, may require added power from the Saucer Module engines"
2008-05-14 23:44 < Mark_Ryan> the warp scale got changed
2008-05-14 23:45 < FastLizard4> Sky2042: Warp 1 always equals the speed of light
2008-05-14 23:45 < quanticle> Mark_Ryan: The warp scale has been changed on multiple occasions.
2008-05-14 23:45 < The359> this is in regards to the Enterprise-D, which had three impulse engines
2008-05-14 23:45 < gwern> quanticle: I like best the 'look at what you've *become*'
2008-05-14 23:45 < Sky2042> (is it sad we're even discussing this?...)
2008-05-14 23:45 < gwern> oh, and the foxy grin in panel 1 is FTW
2008-05-14 23:45 < quanticle> gwern: Yeah. That bit's pretty cool too.
2008-05-14 23:45 < The359> aha, here we go
2008-05-14 23:45 < gwern> tycho makes me want to learn to play D&D
2008-05-14 23:46 < gwern> what can I say?
2008-05-14 23:46 < The359> 6.2 Relativistic Considerations
2008-05-14 23:46 * gwern lols yet again at *YOU ARE SEARED!*
2008-05-14 23:46 < The359> Because nearing light speed is possible with impulse engines
2008-05-14 23:46 < gwern> tycho is like... like... he's like the geeky Sideshow Bob
2008-05-14 23:46 < The359> "It is for this reason that normal impulse operations are limited to a velocity of 0.25c"
2008-05-14 23:46 < The359> A galactic speed limit to prevent time problems
2008-05-14 23:47 < quanticle> gwern: This one's pretty cool too - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/23/
2008-05-14 23:47 < The359> regarding warp speed
2008-05-14 23:47 < The359> the scale shown here has Warp 1 = 1c
2008-05-14 23:47 < The359> Warp 2 = 10c
2008-05-14 23:47 < quanticle> gwern: Tycho's expression in panel two is WIN
2008-05-14 23:47 < The359> Warp 3 = 39c
2008-05-14 23:47 < The359> Warp 9 = 1516c
2008-05-14 23:47 < gwern> did Star Trek have FTL? it did, right?
2008-05-14 23:47 < quanticle> The359: Yeah - its a logarithmic scale.
2008-05-14 23:47 < quanticle> gwern: Indeed it did.
2008-05-14 23:47 < Mark_Ryan> i always thought warp speeds were kinda linear
2008-05-14 23:48 < gwern> how did it avoid time travel then?
2008-05-14 23:48 < The359> "Subspace"
2008-05-14 23:48 < Sky2042> The359: that make no sense. wth is the scale to that?
2008-05-14 23:48 < The359> They were not traveling faster than light in space
2008-05-14 23:48 < quanticle> Mark_Ryan: Nope, warp speeds were logarithmic. Originally, warp 10 was supposed to be infinite velocity, but they retconned that.
2008-05-14 23:48 < The359> But rather in subspace
2008-05-14 23:48 < Sky2042> 3^x?
2008-05-14 23:48 < Sky2042> no.
2008-05-14 23:48 < quanticle> Sky2042: Its a logarithmic scale.
2008-05-14 23:48 < Alkivar> well they broke Warp 10 in a couple episodes
2008-05-14 23:48 < Alkivar> so yeah... they had to RETCON
2008-05-14 23:48 < Sky2042> of course, quanticle, i got that.
2008-05-14 23:49 < gwern> The359: yeah, but the effect in the real world would still be time travel
2008-05-14 23:49 < Mark_Ryan> quanticle, I remember in one voyager episode they reached warp 10. and existed everywhere at once. then turned into lizards and mated.
2008-05-14 23:49 < The359> Voyager's top speed was quoted at Warp 9.975
2008-05-14 23:49 < Alkivar> the Borg travelled at more than warp 10 in an episode with Q as i recall
2008-05-14 23:49 < The359> according to this chart however, for each number in Warp Speed
2008-05-14 23:49 < The359> there's a transitional threshold
2008-05-14 23:50 < The359> That requires more power to get to the next digit
2008-05-14 23:50 < quanticle> gwern: I know they resolved the time travel thing somehow. Something about increasing the speed of light locally via massive expenditures of energy or something like that.
2008-05-14 23:50 < FastLizard4> quanticle: No, Warp 10 was originally not infinite, but now is
2008-05-14 23:50 < Sky2042> The359: ah...
2008-05-14 23:50 < The359> but less power to move at decimal increases
2008-05-14 23:50 < The359> It takes more power to go from Warp 1.9 to Warp 2, than it does to go from Warp 2 to Warp 2.1
2008-05-14 23:51 < gwern> quanticle: ridiculous, but at least they nod to the problem
2008-05-14 23:51 < Mark_Ryan> The359, if it's a logarithmic scale, doesn't that go without saying?
2008-05-14 23:51 < The359> "Warp bubble", quanticle?
2008-05-14 23:51 < The359> the warp scale is different in shape from the power scale, Mark_Ryan
2008-05-14 23:51 < quanticle> gwern: Yeah. It'd be difficult for them to have continued this long without acknowledging the problem somehow.
2008-05-14 23:51 < Mark_Ryan> wait. no, it's the opposite to what I thought
2008-05-14 23:51 < Sky2042> http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp#24th_century
2008-05-14 23:51 < Mark_Ryan> lol
2008-05-14 23:51 < Sky2042> read.
2008-05-14 23:52 < quanticle> The359: Yeah, something like that.
2008-05-14 23:52 < Soxred93> Night all
2008-05-14 23:52 < gwern> quanticle: not necessarily. if anyone challenged me here, I'd find it very hard to explain how traveling outside one's light cone leads to time travel
2008-05-14 23:52 < gwern> so they could easily ignore it
2008-05-14 23:52 < gwern> most fiction does
2008-05-14 23:53 < quanticle> Heh. I saw this headline: 'IBM Touts Supercomputers for the Enterprise', and the first thing that popped into my head was, "IBM makes supercomputers for starships now? Since when?"
2008-05-14 23:53 < gwern> 'In 1869 the waffle iron was invented for people who had wrinkled waffles.
2008-05-14 23:53 < The359> Star Trek also "fixes" Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle
2008-05-14 23:53 < The359> By claiming they have "Heisenburg Compensators" in the transporters
2008-05-14 23:53 < Sky2042> lol....
2008-05-14 23:53 < bumm13> quanticle: they probably would if real starships existed
2008-05-14 23:53 < quanticle> gwern: I'd refer people to Hawking's "A Brief History of Time". It has a very succint explanation for the phenomenon.
2008-05-14 23:53 < The359> which is in this technical manual as well...
2008-05-14 23:54 < Sky2042> foxing uncertainty principle
2008-05-14 23:54 < Sky2042> fixing*
2008-05-14 23:54 < Lucifer_Cat> assholes and baby elephants
2008-05-14 23:54 < gwern> quanticle: but that'd hardly win any arguments
2008-05-14 23:55 < gwern> 'Eleven tons of hair stolen. Police combing area.
2008-05-14 23:55 < Mark_Ryan> lol
2008-05-14 23:56 < quanticle> gwern: Well, I could quote them the explanation, but that'd involve typing.
2008-05-14 23:56 < Sky2042> gwern: LOL
2008-05-14 23:56 < Gracenotes> lim (latency -> 0) 1/quality(gracenotes' app) = 0
2008-05-14 23:58 * bumm13 removes two instances of "unfortunately" from a WP article on en:
2008-05-14 23:58 < quanticle> Gracenotes: As latency decreases, your app's quality goes to infinity?
2008-05-14 23:58 < Gracenotes> something like, yes
2008-05-14 23:58 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: also lol.
2008-05-14 23:59 < quanticle> Gracenotes: But latency isn't part of your equation.
2008-05-14 23:59 < quanticle> Gracenotes: Unless the quality function implicitly includes latency.
2008-05-14 23:59 < Gracenotes> it does include latency somehow. even I'm not sure how it's calculated
2008-05-15 00:00 < quanticle> Gracenotes: Well, latency itself is computed easily enough.
2008-05-15 00:01 < Gracenotes> well, yes. referring to the quality function, though.
2008-05-15 00:01 < Lucifer_Cat> DrSkullthumper
2008-05-15 00:02 < DrSkullthumper> Yes Lucifer_Cat?
2008-05-15 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> please beat some uncyc sense into these noobs
2008-05-15 00:02 < Gracenotes> I guess you could say it's d(fulfilling app specs satisfactorily)/d(my personal spec for the app)
2008-05-15 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> this is #wikipedia for cryin out loud! no serious discussions allowed!!
2008-05-15 00:03 < Lucifer_Cat> though thats why i come in here in the first place :P
2008-05-15 00:03 < Gracenotes> that would probably make sense if I had a calculus class some time in the last 10 months
2008-05-15 00:03 < Lucifer_Cat> DrSkullthumper: what do people in #uncyc argue about
2008-05-15 00:03 < Gracenotes> I knew taking Calc BC in my junior year would have some issues :(
2008-05-15 00:03 < DrSkullthumper> Lucifer_Cat: Sources, accuracy and whatnot
2008-05-15 00:03 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: truth. >_<
2008-05-15 00:04 < Lucifer_Cat> XD on uncyc??
2008-05-15 00:04 < Gracenotes> though I did get a 5
2008-05-15 00:04 < Sky2042> o_o
2008-05-15 00:08 < Gracenotes> hm, I must have used 10 GB bandwidth in the last week. sorry, ISP :(
2008-05-15 00:08 < bumm13> haha
2008-05-15 00:09 < bumm13> did they cap you?
2008-05-15 00:09 < bumm13> (for the rest of the month)
2008-05-15 00:09 < Gracenotes> no, not yet.
2008-05-15 00:09 < Gracenotes> I'm actually not sure of frontiernet's policies
2008-05-15 00:09 < bumm13> ah
2008-05-15 00:09 * bumm13 uses silly ol' DSL
2008-05-15 00:10 < Gracenotes> oh, so do I :) with a router
2008-05-15 00:10 < bumm13> (1.5Mbps down or whatever)
2008-05-15 00:11 * quanticle has 8Mbps (down) cable, but gets about 6 Mbps.
2008-05-15 00:11 < quanticle> Which is still better than the max 2Mbps promised by DSL in his area.
2008-05-15 00:11 < quanticle> Er, my area, rather
2008-05-15 00:11 < Gracenotes> I wonder if it charges per GB for anything over the cap
2008-05-15 00:11 < bumm13> well, DSL and cable just aren't the same beasts :-)
2008-05-15 00:12 < quanticle> bumm13: Funnily enough, I have Comcast, and their service viz. bittorrent throttling has been absolutely golden. I've never had my torrents throttled.
2008-05-15 00:12 < bumm13> :)
2008-05-15 00:13 < Lucifer_Cat> theyre logging you
2008-05-15 00:13 < gwern> I wonder how much bandwidth I use? I seed 200kb/s, then there's freenet uploading at about 20kb/s, and then irc, email and web browsing...
2008-05-15 00:13 < bumm13> I live in Comcast territory (like so many others do)
2008-05-15 00:13 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: appliedv for the CC?
2008-05-15 00:13 < quanticle> Of course, I do manually throttle my torrents to only use about 30kbps of upload, but that's only because the saturation point of my upload connection is about 45kbps.
2008-05-15 00:14 < quanticle> Er, KBps in both cases
2008-05-15 00:14 < quanticle> So that'd be around 240kbps and 360kbps respectively.
2008-05-15 00:14 < gwern> let's see, I've used 25.6GB upload in 35.5 hours...
2008-05-15 00:14 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Nope.
2008-05-15 00:14 < Gracenotes> gwern: encrypted?
2008-05-15 00:14 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I'll get around to it... eventually.
2008-05-15 00:14 < gwern> so in a month of 31 days, I'd use 1031 GBs
2008-05-15 00:15 < Lucifer_Cat> do it nao
2008-05-15 00:15 < Gracenotes> more than a TB :O
2008-05-15 00:15 < gwern> sweet, I need a petabyte a month?
2008-05-15 00:15 < FastLizard4> gwern: hehe
2008-05-15 00:15 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: And, of course I know I'm being logged. The issue is that every other ISP in my area would also be logging my activities, as well as giving me less bandwidth.
2008-05-15 00:15 < gwern> er. terabyte
2008-05-15 00:15 < FastLizard4> ``Sure, that will be $2723.99 a month''
2008-05-15 00:15 * gwern fails at units
2008-05-15 00:15 < quanticle> gwern: What the hell are you using all that throughput for?
2008-05-15 00:16 * FastLizard4 has transfered 178.25 MB/22.45 MB today
2008-05-15 00:16 < gwern> my ISP must hate people like me
2008-05-15 00:16 < gwern> Gracenotes: I think I have it and port randomization enabled
2008-05-15 00:16 < quanticle> gwern: Heh. As long as you're downloading but not uploading.
2008-05-15 00:17 < gwern> Gracenotes: well, obviously my computer is off sometimes
2008-05-15 00:17 < quanticle> gwern: I seed at 240kbps, and I've never had any issues.
2008-05-15 00:17 * Krimpet has a nice university LAN, that frequently gets clogged with all the people downloading shady porn, I think. -_-
2008-05-15 00:17 < Gracenotes> yeah
2008-05-15 00:17 < gwern> quanticle: I enumerated it above
2008-05-15 00:17 < bumm13> and using IE ;p
2008-05-15 00:17 < quanticle> gwern: Right. I just saw that, and responded to it.
2008-05-15 00:17 < gwern> also: spidering wikipedia external links, forgot that one
2008-05-15 00:17 < Gracenotes> Krimpet: and WoW makes the tiniest of dents
2008-05-15 00:17 < Krimpet> WoW can run on 56K, can't it?
2008-05-15 00:17 < The359> shady porn?
2008-05-15 00:17 < gwern> that's so lame. you're living in the '90s man!
2008-05-15 00:18 < FastLizard4> :O
2008-05-15 00:18 < quanticle> Krimpet: I don't think so.
2008-05-15 00:18 < Krimpet> when I played it years ago it said it on the box
2008-05-15 00:18 < gwern> quanticle: no, most of it is uploading
2008-05-15 00:18 < quanticle> Krimpet: Really? I thought that Everquest was the only game that could run on 56k.
2008-05-15 00:19 < Gracenotes> Online Backgammon takes 56k
2008-05-15 00:19 < quanticle> gwern: Right, but you're only uploading at 200kbps. I upload at 240 and I've never had any issue. AFAIK, ISPs care more about the rate of upload than the total upload used.
2008-05-15 00:19 * FastLizard4 waits for his SQL databases to load
2008-05-15 00:19 * Rinn only downloads bright porn
2008-05-15 00:19 * quanticle uploads his torrents at 240kbps.
2008-05-15 00:19 < yao_ziyua1> Rinn...
2008-05-15 00:19 < Gracenotes> Rinn: overexposed webcams?
2008-05-15 00:20 < gwern> quanticle: over time, rate of upload = total amount, really
2008-05-15 00:20 < Krimpet> the WiFi here is ridiculously flaky, though. there's this one spot in the library where my wireless drivers like to crash. <_<
2008-05-15 00:20 < yao_ziyua1> Rinn: a/s/l...
2008-05-15 00:20 < quanticle> gwern: Right, but you're also paying on a monthly basis as well.
2008-05-15 00:20 < The359> http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/Fffraulein/yaoiThomas.jpg Krimpet, do you mean shady porn like this?
2008-05-15 00:20 < gwern> latency vs throughput is a symmetrical relationship
2008-05-15 00:20 * Krimpet decides not to click that, being in a public place n'all
2008-05-15 00:20 < Gracenotes> The359: I know what that image is without clicking...
2008-05-15 00:20 < Rinn> Gracenotes: Flashlights and/or clever remarks during the acts.
2008-05-15 00:20 < quanticle> The359: Did you really have to link that? I mean, I can tell from the filename that its NSFW.
2008-05-15 00:21 * FastLizard4 is currently transfering 16.8 KB/sec DL / 1.4 KB/sec UL
2008-05-15 00:21 < gwern> The359: that's so terrible
2008-05-15 00:21 < The359> It's not Yaoi, quanticle
2008-05-15 00:21 < The359> it's a drawing of a train
2008-05-15 00:21 < The359> well, trains...
2008-05-15 00:21 < Gracenotes> not everyone knows what yaoi is...
2008-05-15 00:21 < gwern> male on male - yaoi to me
2008-05-15 00:21 < The359> well whatever
2008-05-15 00:21 < quanticle> The359: Well, its only yaoi if you consider trains to be male, I guess.
2008-05-15 00:21 * The359 would consider it semi-SFW
2008-05-15 00:21 < Gracenotes> c'mon, we want some real train action, The359
2008-05-15 00:22 < bumm13> trainnies?
2008-05-15 00:22 < Gracenotes> lol
2008-05-15 00:22 < The359> lol
2008-05-15 00:22 < quanticle> The359: Its semi-SFW only because, unless you have a dirty mind, you can't tell what's going on.
2008-05-15 00:22 < The359> yes, I know
2008-05-15 00:22 < Rinn> Thomas' googley-eyes make that image.
2008-05-15 00:23 < quanticle> Anyway, I'm off for the night. Cya everyone.
2008-05-15 00:23 < bumm13> later
2008-05-15 00:23 < chzz> OMG, not to-ma-su-san
2008-05-15 00:23 * Gracenotes ponders rimming trains and God's will
2008-05-15 00:23 < Krimpet> ok, I clicked and lol'd. :)
2008-05-15 00:23 < Rinn> Susan Toma.
2008-05-15 00:23 < The359> rimming?
2008-05-15 00:23 < chzz> he's got a tender behind!
2008-05-15 00:23 * Rinn has a new fake alias
2008-05-15 00:24 < The359> isn't Thomas a little...young?
2008-05-15 00:24 < Gracenotes> The359: well, how else are they gonna do it
2008-05-15 00:24 * Krimpet saves the dirty links for once she's back home <_<
2008-05-15 00:24 < Gracenotes> okay, rhetorical question.
2008-05-15 00:24 < FastLizard4> god dammit
2008-05-15 00:24 < Krimpet> The359: steam engines are pretty damn old
2008-05-15 00:24 < FastLizard4> some idiot oversighted the wrong rev on my wiki
2008-05-15 00:24 < FastLizard4> Now I have to much through the databases to find it
2008-05-15 00:24 < FastLizard4> s/much/muck
2008-05-15 00:25 < chzz> I'm chuckling about the ref linkage on the quake article - 14,866 are confirmed dead and 66,286 injured,[7][1][8] while the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported that 19,565 (including 7,700 in Yingxiu, near the epicenter) are dead and 26,206 injured.[9]
2008-05-15 00:25 < chzz> It's like, "There's 3 dead [1] [2] [3] or maybe 4 [5] [6] or 7 [8] [9] depending on who you read. Maybe it's 10 [11]. We don't f**king know, go read a paper.
2008-05-15 00:26 < Gracenotes> surely it's more uiseful than just taking an average :)
2008-05-15 00:26 < Gracenotes> -i
2008-05-15 00:27 < Sky2042> chzz: go read a paper... yeah, they don't now either.
2008-05-15 00:27 < patbam> how morbid.
2008-05-15 00:29 * FastLizard4 runs a few PHP queries
2008-05-15 00:29 < FastLizard4> *SQL
2008-05-15 00:29 < FastLizard4> >:( dammit
2008-05-15 00:30 * FastLizard4 can't find the revision :(
2008-05-15 00:30 < chzz> s'mad
2008-05-15 00:31 < chzz> Quoting here, apols, but this is classic;
2008-05-15 00:31 < chzz> A: From the 66,000 injured added to the 15,000 dead (this is rounded), wouldn't the casualties be around 81,000?
2008-05-15 00:31 < Krimpet> FastLizard4: DROP TABLE *;?
2008-05-15 00:31 < chzz> B: don't know. Does the cite say specifically, 81,000 casualties? We can't conduct original research according to Wiki policy. That means, no a+b=c.
2008-05-15 00:31 < FastLizard4> :|
2008-05-15 00:31 < FastLizard4> :(
2008-05-15 00:31 < gwern> chzz: lol
2008-05-15 00:31 < chzz> ...and my reply...
2008-05-15 00:31 < gwern> chzz: so are the dead not injured?
2008-05-15 00:31 < chzz> Wrong, sorry. If a cite says, "150 people in Footown like cheese, and 20 like milk", and we say "170 people in Footown like dairy products"? Original research? No. We summarise. Jeez...
2008-05-15 00:31 < Gracenotes> casualty is a definition though
2008-05-15 00:32 < Gracenotes> dead+injured.
2008-05-15 00:32 < Gracenotes> independently verifiable definition, btw
2008-05-15 00:32 < Gracenotes> it might be a problem, though, if someone were dead and injured at the same time
2008-05-15 00:33 < Gracenotes> ...for reasons other than verifiability...
2008-05-15 00:33 < chzz> Well, 7 hours ago, I did post "should we go with "More than 40,000 dead or missing in Chinese earthquake" as per [Times Online]? At least that would cover things whilst the 'official number' oscillates"
2008-05-15 00:33 < chzz> ...and I was flamed to buggery
2008-05-15 00:33 < patbam> flames cause buggery? did not know that.
2008-05-15 00:34 < chzz> Only if you do it right.
2008-05-15 00:34 < Luna-San> If they're really being that pedantic about it, just describe the casualties as "66,000 injured, 15,000 dead"
2008-05-15 00:34 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-15 00:34 < chzz> Luna-san: (Konbanwa) It's not that easy...many agencies post different figures.
2008-05-15 00:35 < Gracenotes> make ranges, then, perhaps
2008-05-15 00:35 < Luna-San> Just go with the one that agrees with your nationalistic POV. >.>
2008-05-15 00:35 < chzz> Aha!
2008-05-15 00:35 < chzz> lol
2008-05-15 00:35 < gwern> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/05/loving_robotic.php <-- so cool
2008-05-15 00:35 < Gracenotes> although that might be a bit of synthesis
2008-05-15 00:35 < FastLizard4> Krimpet: Go DROP DATABASE enwiki;
2008-05-15 00:35 < Gracenotes> which apparently is the new antichrist
2008-05-15 00:35 < Gracenotes> so :P
2008-05-15 00:36 < FastLizard4> better yet
2008-05-15 00:36 < FastLizard4> DROP TABLE enwiki.user_rights
2008-05-15 00:36 < chzz> WANT WANT WANT gimmie robot jellies NOW!
2008-05-15 00:36 < FastLizard4> DROP TABLE people.chzz
2008-05-15 00:36 < Gracenotes> Alice? Who the fuck is Alice?
2008-05-15 00:36 < Gracenotes> FastLizard4: *he* has his own table? what about me? :D
2008-05-15 00:37 < Lucifer_Cat> Gracenotes: smokie
2008-05-15 00:37 < FastLizard4> CREATE TABLE people.Gracenotes
2008-05-15 00:37 < Gracenotes> yay
2008-05-15 00:37 < FastLizard4> Hehe
2008-05-15 00:37 < Luna-San> DROP TABLE ow.my_foot
2008-05-15 00:37 < FastLizard4> DROP TABLE universe.earth
2008-05-15 00:37 < FastLizard4> God: Whoops
2008-05-15 00:37 * Krimpet drops a whole dinette set on Luna-San
2008-05-15 00:38 * Luna-San starts looking for a template warning for that!
2008-05-15 00:38 < Lucifer_Cat> CREATE TABLE big.bang
2008-05-15 00:38 < FastLizard4> DELETE TABLE Krimpet.knowledge
2008-05-15 00:38 < Gracenotes> {{subst:uw-dinette|#wikipedia|subst=subst:}} ~~~~
2008-05-15 00:38 < FastLizard4> XD
2008-05-15 00:39 < FastLizard4> DELETE TABLE *;
2008-05-15 00:39 < FastLizard4> 'night people
2008-05-15 00:39 < chzz> Robot jellys FTW {{fact}}
2008-05-15 00:39 < chzz> nite
2008-05-15 00:39 < FastLizard4> :)
2008-05-15 00:39 < FastLizard4> DROP TABLE FastLizard4.connection
2008-05-15 00:40 < Krimpet> *'''delete''' this dinette set. no-table. ~~~~
2008-05-15 00:41 < Gracenotes> ** [[WP:NDT]] is only a guideline! This means dinette tables are completely allowed. ~~~~
2008-05-15 00:43 < chzz> Gracenotes: you're in clear violation of [[WP:IGNORE]]
2008-05-15 00:43 * Sky2042 just... is amazed.
2008-05-15 00:43 * chzz is just {{fact}}
2008-05-15 00:44 < Gracenotes> * You're forgetting that [[WP:IGNORE]] is by Jimbo Wales, and argumentum ad Jimbonem, so there. ~~~~
2008-05-15 00:48 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: Fail, per all those interpretations of [[WP:IAR]]. ~~~~
2008-05-15 00:50 < chzz> Ah, but I was ignoring [[WP:IGNORE]]
2008-05-15 00:50 < Gracenotes> * Sky: Your application of IAR has been overturned by my subsequent application of IAR. ~~~~
2008-05-15 00:51 * chzz ignores himself avidly
2008-05-15 00:52 < Gracenotes> whenever there's vandalism for the purpose of framing in movies, it seems the framer always forgets to properly dispose of the spray paint cans.
2008-05-15 00:52 < Gracenotes> silly unscrupulous people...
2008-05-15 00:52 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: I ignore your reality and substitute my own. This is [[WP:TRUTH]].
2008-05-15 00:53 < Gracenotes> Oh yes, but is your reality verifiable?
2008-05-15 00:53 < Sky2042> Doesn't need to be; I already asserted it was truth.
2008-05-15 00:53 < Sky2042> Truth is truth.
2008-05-15 00:53 < Sky2042> ;o
2008-05-15 00:53 < Luna-San> Certainly it's verifiable. We just ask Sky2042 if it's true.
2008-05-15 00:54 < chzz> Hmm. NPOV. "20,000 dead, but 19 British tourists are fine. And the Panda's are OK"
2008-05-15 00:54 < Gracenotes> but Sky2042 isn't a realiable source, Luna-San
2008-05-15 00:54 < Luna-San> Think of the pandas!
2008-05-15 00:54 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: of course he is. He says so.
2008-05-15 00:54 < Luna-San> Pah! Sky2042, you're a reliable source, right?
2008-05-15 00:54 < Sky2042> Which is also a truth.
2008-05-15 00:54 < Sky2042> =]
2008-05-15 00:54 < Gracenotes> whereas I have appeared in a prestiguous magazine
2008-05-15 00:54 < Gracenotes> and thus I am reliable, by merit of my inherited prestige
2008-05-15 00:54 < chzz> [[WP:TRUTH|DARE]]
2008-05-15 00:54 < Gracenotes> amirite
2008-05-15 00:55 < gwern> Gracenotes: playgirl?
2008-05-15 00:55 < Gracenotes> not quite what I was thinking of
2008-05-15 00:55 < Sky2042> notability is not inherited!
2008-05-15 00:55 < Gracenotes> who says realiablility isn't, though?
2008-05-15 00:55 * chzz thinks it's *exactly* what (s)he was thinking of
2008-05-15 00:56 < chzz> Sky2042: certainly seems to be in the UK
2008-05-15 00:57 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: IAR says so.
2008-05-15 00:57 < chzz> What's "prestiguous magazine" - and where can I buy it? Is it about magic?
2008-05-15 01:04 < denelson83> ASCAP? More like "ass clap"
2008-05-15 01:08 < chzz> OK, read it. interesting. I have *views*. hmm.
2008-05-15 01:09 * Sky2042 sighs.
2008-05-15 01:10 < Sky2042> my t:navbox transcription to my local wiki fails in the skinning department; none of the <th>s are showing up in the (desired) normal blue color. halp?
2008-05-15 01:11 < Gracenotes> Sky2042: you have ParserFunctions enabled?
2008-05-15 01:12 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: yes, tidy is also true.
2008-05-15 01:12 < Sky2042> it's on 1.12 final, but i've been watching the 1.13a changes through signpost, and it doesn't look like anything that would affect navbox would be of issue :/
2008-05-15 01:14 < Sky2042> and the css is correct, as well.
2008-05-15 01:14 < Gracenotes> have you checked out the page source?
2008-05-15 01:14 < Gracenotes> HTML output\
2008-05-15 01:14 < Gracenotes> for any anomolies
2008-05-15 01:14 < Sky2042> no, but I can go have a look through that.
2008-05-15 01:14 < chzz> Sky2042: OK, here goes; (left sock) - Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia; it wastes huge resources trying to compete with news agencies; attempts are futile, at best. Viz. earthwuake - maybe 10 CC-licenced pictures available; we're just re-stating 'facts' from other websites; the citations/refs to other websites just mount up and the article gets meaningless...wikinews do a far better journalistic job; basically, it's impossible to write a GA ab
2008-05-15 01:15 < Gracenotes> er. anomalies
2008-05-15 01:15 < Sky2042> chzz: huh?
2008-05-15 01:15 < Sky2042> ;o
2008-05-15 01:15 < chzz> (right sock) WP is not a traditional, paper-based E, therefore by covering cur events it stands out; ppl are well impressed when they look up in wiki some curr event and see it's already got an article...so it attracts ppl. It demonstrates how 'to-the-minute' WP is.
2008-05-15 01:16 < chzz> Sky2042: Sorry, I'm addressing Gracenotes re. 'news on WP'
2008-05-15 01:16 < Sky2042> ahhhhhhhhhhh.
2008-05-15 01:16 < Sky2042> ok.
2008-05-15 01:17 < chzz> Sky2042: sorry it got mungled in with your questions and all that.
2008-05-15 01:17 < Sky2042> so what's the middle sock.
2008-05-15 01:17 < Sky2042> ?
2008-05-15 01:17 < Sky2042> oh wait, i haven't three feet... could have an issue with that >.>
2008-05-15 01:17 < Gracenotes> chzz: yeah. either way it's probably one of the most thoughtful articles on WP I've seen
2008-05-15 01:17 < chzz> Sky2042: We don't talk about the middle sock.
2008-05-15 01:17 < Gracenotes> as in news articles
2008-05-15 01:17 < chzz> Gracenotes: definitely.
2008-05-15 01:18 * chzz *might* have said, "If you had 3 feet, you'd need a very large middle sock". But he thought better of it.
2008-05-15 01:18 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: it looks like it's getting the correct class... :/
2008-05-15 01:19 * Sky2042 goes to double check the classes in commons... maybe he forgot to actually hit "edit"...
2008-05-15 01:20 < Sky2042> nope, classes there are fine.
2008-05-15 01:20 < Sky2042> bah, i'll go re- c+p
2008-05-15 01:21 < Sky2042> well, huh, maybe it is tnavbar
2008-05-15 01:23 < chzz> Anyone know kanji? Sichuan...????? ...4 river...people...err...?
2008-05-15 01:33 < Sky2042> woohoo
2008-05-15 01:33 < Sky2042> it workeeeed.
2008-05-15 01:38 < Sky2042_afk> I is happy now.
2008-05-15 01:39 < Kofiz> cool
2008-05-15 01:45 < Naria> Hello.
2008-05-15 01:45 < Naria> Can anyone help me out? There was a Wikipedia article that I was using, deleted on vandalism, can anyone please give me a help to put it back?
2008-05-15 01:46 < Luna-San> Which article?
2008-05-15 01:46 < Kofiz> Which article?
2008-05-15 01:46 < snowolf> lol
2008-05-15 01:46 < Kofiz> hivemind!!
2008-05-15 01:46 < Naria> (Deletion log); 00:37 . . Anetode (Talk | contribs) deleted "Aset Ka" (Speedy deleted per (CSD G4), was a copy of material previously deleted per XfD. using TW)
2008-05-15 01:47 < Naria> This is not true. The material was new, not copy of previously deleted.
2008-05-15 01:47 < Naria> And substantiated by published material, with ISBN numbers and all.
2008-05-15 01:48 < Naria> How can I solve this?
2008-05-15 01:49 < Naria> Images used in the article, as well as book covers and all were also deleted:
2008-05-15 01:49 < Naria> (Deletion log); 00:37 . . Anetode (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:DarkMark.jpg" (Speedy deleted per (CSD G4), was a copy of material previously deleted per XfD. using TW)
2008-05-15 01:49 < Naria> (Deletion log); 00:37 . . Anetode (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:AsetianBible.jpg" (Speedy deleted per (CSD G4), was a copy of material previously deleted per XfD. using TW)
2008-05-15 01:49 < Naria> When these images were before NEVER present on wikipedia. lol Makes no sense...
2008-05-15 01:49 < Lubaf> Now that would be telling.
2008-05-15 01:50 < Luna-San> Appears to have been deleted per [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aset Ka]]
2008-05-15 01:50 < Luna-San> Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aset_Ka if you prefer
2008-05-15 01:50 < Naria> No, that was a year ago.
2008-05-15 01:50 < Naria> Check the date.
2008-05-15 01:50 < bumm13> hnj0o9po-[079876-[[p'iu]
2008-05-15 01:50 < bumm13> oops
2008-05-15 01:50 < Luna-San> And? >.>
2008-05-15 01:50 < Alkivar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2YDq6FkVE <-- Bill O'Reilly Fuck It Remix
2008-05-15 01:51 < Naria> This article was a brand new one, with other sources AND new information AND published references on it.
2008-05-15 01:51 < Naria> So no reason for deletion, and certainly not a copy of old material.
2008-05-15 01:51 < bumm13> (the cat typage got sent instead of backspaced out ;p )
2008-05-15 01:52 < Ral315> Alkivar: That is awesome.
2008-05-15 01:53 < Naria> Any admin around or anyone that can help me out please?
2008-05-15 01:53 < Luna-San> Naria: I'd suggest contacting the deleting admin, then, hopefully to explain how the new copy substantially addresses the problems brought up in the earlier discussion
2008-05-15 01:53 < Naria> I will do that, how can I contact the deletion admin please?
2008-05-15 01:53 < Luna-San> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anetode
2008-05-15 01:54 < Naria> But it says "No longer active."
2008-05-15 01:54 < snowolf> Naria: nah, not true don't worry
2008-05-15 01:55 < snowolf> :)
2008-05-15 01:55 < Naria> And is he an admin?
2008-05-15 01:55 < Luna-San> Hmm... he's been less active than usual, but seems to be picking up in the past few days
2008-05-15 01:55 < snowolf> Naria: he is an admin indeed
2008-05-15 01:57 < Naria> So do I leave a message in his talk page?
2008-05-15 01:57 < snowolf> yup
2008-05-15 01:58 < snowolf> in case there's no reply in a few days (I doubt it), feel free to ping here and somebody will take care of the situation, but we prefer to leave to the deleting admin the job to deal with it ;-)
2008-05-15 01:58 < Naria> Ok, thank you.
2008-05-15 01:58 < Naria> I hope that he listens. Because this really made no sense.
2008-05-15 01:58 < snowolf> Naria: probably a misunderstanding, don't worry
2008-05-15 01:59 < Naria> Thanks a lot for the help. :)
2008-05-15 01:59 < Naria> I'll remain here in the channel anyways.
2008-05-15 01:59 < snowolf> anytime ;-)
2008-05-15 02:02 < Sky2042> well, that's frustrating...
2008-05-15 02:03 < Sky2042> Gracenotes: ok, I got the skinning to be all pretty... but I'm having this random whiteness come out of nowhere. :/
2008-05-15 02:03 < Sky2042> (i'm dual skinning; a white bg and a dark bg)
2008-05-15 02:03 < Gracenotes> :|
2008-05-15 02:03 < Luna-San> Random whiteness coming out? :x
2008-05-15 02:03 * Gracenotes knows not
2008-05-15 02:04 < Sky2042> Luna-San: heh, ok, that didn't make much sense, did it?
2008-05-15 02:04 < Gracenotes> Luna-San: pixel massacre! D:
2008-05-15 02:04 < Gracenotes> [[Defective pixel]]
2008-05-15 02:04 * Sky2042 needs help...
2008-05-15 02:04 < Luna-San> About the only skinning I've ever done was for Winamp, back before they allowed any really elaborate customization
2008-05-15 02:04 * Sky2042 sighs.
2008-05-15 02:05 < Gracenotes> LUNA-SAN IS AWESOME
2008-05-15 02:05 * Mike_H cuddles Luna-San
2008-05-15 02:05 < Luna-San> :x
2008-05-15 02:05 * Luna-San cuddle!
2008-05-15 02:05 < Mike_H> :D
2008-05-15 02:07 < Sky2042> Can I haz hug, at least?
2008-05-15 02:07 < Luna-San> You'll have to call my agent. o.o
2008-05-15 02:08 < Sky2042> But you cuddled... no fair. :(
2008-05-15 02:09 < Blu_Aardvark> Grah. I like everything about Firefox 3 (beta though it may be) except for the changes the made to the damned location bar.
2008-05-15 02:09 < Sky2042> Blu_Aardvark: screenshot? I haven't looked at 3b, so if you've got one you'd like to point me to, that works also.
2008-05-15 02:10 < Blu_Aardvark> Well, here's a blog entry about it, and it has a screenshot of the feature in action: http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/11/firefox-3-location-bar-just-became-almighty/
2008-05-15 02:11 * Mike_H pets Blu_Aardvark
2008-05-15 02:11 < Sky2042> oh jeez...
2008-05-15 02:11 < Sky2042> i think that might drive me nuts as well.
2008-05-15 02:11 < Blu_Aardvark> My complaint is that when I type in "en", I expect to see either Wikipedia or ED come up as my first result, depending on which I have been accessing more frequently.
2008-05-15 02:12 < Blu_Aardvark> And now, it's entirely unclear as to what I'll get. Might even be one of my porn sites.
2008-05-15 02:12 < Sky2042> ....
2008-05-15 02:12 < Sky2042> Lol.
2008-05-15 02:12 < Sky2042> eh, just learn to type :/
2008-05-15 02:13 < Luna-San> In all probability, you'll be able to turn some matching types on/off.
2008-05-15 02:13 < Blu_Aardvark> Well, yeah, but the new feature isn't searching just the page URL, as it used to. It searches the page title, as well as all portions of a URL, and it doesn't seem there's any way to turn the damn thing off without disabling autocomplete entirely, which I might end up doing, but it was a damned good feature
2008-05-15 02:13 < Blu_Aardvark> Hopefully so, Luna. Hopefully so.
2008-05-15 02:13 < Sky2042> Blu_Aardvark: you can change it in about:config if it really bugs you so much...
2008-05-15 02:13 < Sky2042> ah
2008-05-15 02:13 < Sky2042> k, nvm
2008-05-15 02:13 < Luna-San> Like the whole argument about closing tabs, do we go left, right, or most recent? Just MAKE IT AN OPTION so everybody shuts up. :p
2008-05-15 02:13 < Sky2042> feature request, imo.
2008-05-15 02:14 < Sky2042> default to new and "improved", can revert to normal if wanted.
2008-05-15 02:15 < Blu_Aardvark> They had it in there before, but took it out for some reason. There was an about:config entry, browser.urlbar.richResults, which you could set to false, but they removed that, and the code that checks for it. I have no idea why.
2008-05-15 02:15 < Sky2042> ugh
2008-05-15 02:15 < Blu_Aardvark> This at least relieves some of the pain: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227
2008-05-15 02:16 < Blu_Aardvark> But I'm still stuck with the "improved" algorithm.
2008-05-15 02:16 < Sky2042> combined back and forward buttons is a blessing, i think.
2008-05-15 02:17 < Blu_Aardvark> Probably. It seems odd to me, but that's something that themes are capable of fixing.
2008-05-15 02:17 < Sky2042> eh, it's a feature IE7 debuted with.
2008-05-15 02:18 < Sky2042> i was thinking of it recently too.
2008-05-15 02:19 < Sky2042> ooo, 3xfaster JS.
2008-05-15 02:20 < Sky2042> sweet deal.
2008-05-15 02:20 < Blu_Aardvark> Yeah, Firefox 3 renders and starts a lot faster. I'm very satisfied with that.
2008-05-15 02:20 < Blu_Aardvark> I also like the full page zoom feature.
2008-05-15 02:20 < Sky2042> chatzilla is affected, i presume (or maybe you don't know?)
2008-05-15 02:21 < Blu_Aardvark> No, I didn't know, actually.
2008-05-15 02:21 < Sky2042> Hmm.
2008-05-15 02:21 < Sky2042> Bet it is, which would also be a sweet deal.
2008-05-15 02:21 < Blu_Aardvark> I don't like chatzilla much as a browser extension. Stand-alone, though, now that's cool.
2008-05-15 02:22 < Sky2042> eh, I use the browser extension. i could use the stand alone if i wanted...
2008-05-15 02:22 < Sky2042> a difference of three clicks, from what I can tell.
2008-05-15 02:23 < Blu_Aardvark> Yeah, not much of a difference. I just like to keep my browser separate from my other internet programs. Personal preference and all that.
2008-05-15 02:23 < Sky2042> indeed.
2008-05-15 02:24 < Blu_Aardvark> I like my IRC client to be an IRC client, my web browser to be a web browser, and my mail application to be a mail application. Although I am starting to like Songbird, which blends the line between browser and media player quite a bit.
2008-05-15 02:24 < Sky2042> i actually wish they'd make it so that chatzilla would open in a tab instead of a new window, for the extension*
2008-05-15 02:24 < Sky2042> hehheh
2008-05-15 02:25 < Sky2042> hmm
2008-05-15 02:26 < Blu_Aardvark> I found that entirely by accident. I was viewing the install.rdf file in the adblock extension for some reason - I honestly don't remember why - and I saw Songbird listed as a supported application. My natural response was, "wtf is songbird?" and I went to find out. It's still a bit buggy, from my experience, and it doesn't have enough foothold to have a wide variety of extensions yet, but it certainly has some potential as a media player.
2008-05-15 02:29 < Sky2042> only for 3b+, or is there a 2.0 version?
2008-05-15 02:29 < Blu_Aardvark> Hmm?
2008-05-15 02:30 < Sky2042> songbird
2008-05-15 02:31 < Blu_Aardvark> Oh, actually that's a stand-alone application that runs on the XULrunner platform. http://songbirdnest.com/
2008-05-15 02:31 < Blu_Aardvark> And the obligatory Wikipedia entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(software)
2008-05-15 02:32 < Sky2042> Full screen version?
2008-05-15 02:32 < Blu_Aardvark> Eh?
2008-05-15 02:32 < Sky2042> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/03/true-full-screen-for-firefox-3/
2008-05-15 02:33 < Sky2042> oh, didn't now f11 worked on fx also.
2008-05-15 02:33 < Sky2042> what a pleasure.
2008-05-15 02:33 < Blu_Aardvark> Oh, I haven't really used fullscreen, although I presume it would be useful if I was doing a presentation
2008-05-15 02:34 < Sky2042> it's a bit of hassle working on a microsoft. have to hit the windows key to tab.
2008-05-15 02:34 < Sky2042> between apps.
2008-05-15 02:35 < Blu_Aardvark> Ow.
2008-05-15 02:35 < Sky2042> if you have hidden toolbar at the bottom, which is what i use.
2008-05-15 02:35 < Sky2042> if you don't, then i don't think that applies.
2008-05-15 02:36 < Blu_Aardvark> Ah, I keep my toolbar visible all the time, because I can usually work faster with multiple windows when I can see what those windows are. On the other hand, however, I've disabled all my desktop icons. To each their own.
2008-05-15 02:37 < Sky2042> don't really use my desktop icons. i have all of 7 on the main desktop, so i'm pretty minimalist in that regard.
2008-05-15 02:37 < Sky2042> only use 2 or 3 of them
2008-05-15 02:37 * Luna-San has 50-something icons
2008-05-15 02:37 < Sky2042> Luna-San: how can you use that many? :/
2008-05-15 02:38 < Sky2042> might as well search the start button..
2008-05-15 02:38 < Blu_Aardvark> I have 17 icons on my desktop, but I've docked the desktop as a taskbar entry, and can navigate my entire computer via a menu. Of course, that goes monstrously slow, and hangs my computer, when I'm accessing network resources or removable media
2008-05-15 02:39 < Luna-San> It's split into two 9x3 groups, on the left or right side of the screen, with a few stragglers thrown in when I can't bear to nix an icon but need to add one.
2008-05-15 02:39 < Luna-San> Topically sorted according to... uh... something
2008-05-15 02:39 < Sky2042> uh oh, have to disappear (just installed an extension), and i think it might be a good idea for me to take my leave for hte night anyway... nice time speaking with you aardvark.
2008-05-15 02:39 < Luna-San> People see it and freak out, but the up-side is that it includes almost everything I ever run
2008-05-15 02:39 * Sky2042 Sols Luna-San.
2008-05-15 02:40 < Sky2042> good night, and good luck!
2008-05-15 02:42 < Blu_Aardvark> http://i30.tinypic.com/35ix7dc.jpg - that's pretty much my layout.
2008-05-15 02:43 < Blu_Aardvark> I used to have the address bar docked as well, but I never really used it, and Windows XP SP3 removed my ability to.
2008-05-15 02:43 < Lubaf> Brown_Aardvark: How's life?
2008-05-15 02:43 < Blu_Aardvark> Fairly decent.
2008-05-15 02:44 < Lubaf> Blu_Aardvark: Aren't you banned?
2008-05-15 02:44 < Blu_Aardvark> On Wikipedia, yes.
2008-05-15 02:44 * Lubaf has a memory like a sieve on these matters.
2008-05-15 02:44 < Lubaf> Fair enough.
2008-05-15 02:44 * Lubaf moves on.
2008-05-15 02:45 < Mark_Ryan> hi, Blu_Aardvark
2008-05-15 02:45 < Blu_Aardvark> Hallo
2008-05-15 02:45 * Mark_Ryan is installing Fedora 7 in virtualisation
2008-05-15 02:46 < Mark_Ryan> this is much easier than Windows 95 was.
2008-05-15 02:46 < Blu_Aardvark> That says a lot.
2008-05-15 02:46 < Mark_Ryan> lol, well, Windows 95 didn't even boot from its install CD
2008-05-15 02:46 < snowolf> Mark_Ryan: fedora? :(
2008-05-15 02:46 < Blu_Aardvark> Oh, right. I recall that.
2008-05-15 02:46 < Mark_Ryan> snowolf, it was the first linux installer that I found on the gazillion cds around me I found
2008-05-15 02:47 < snowolf> :)
2008-05-15 02:47 < Blu_Aardvark> I never had a problem with that, though, as I usually had plenty of DOS boot disks lying around. Windows 95 would have been a nightmare to install from floppy, though. I understand that WAS an option.
2008-05-15 02:47 < snowolf> Mark_Ryan: wait! it's fedora 9 norw
2008-05-15 02:47 < snowolf> not 7
2008-05-15 02:47 < snowolf> you're a bit late...
2008-05-15 02:47 < Blu_Aardvark> Something like feeding 30 disks through the system. Joy.
2008-05-15 02:48 < Mark_Ryan> yeah, imagine if you got to disk 29 and it had died
2008-05-15 02:48 < Mark_Ryan> as floppy disks do
2008-05-15 02:49 < Lubaf> The most I ever had was 14 disks.
2008-05-15 02:49 < Lubaf> That was quite enough.
2008-05-15 02:49 < Blu_Aardvark> Yeah. I've had too many nightmares with floppies. I once backed up a number of files across six floppies with a split zip archive, and it dies on disk four 30 minutes later when I went to retrieve the files from another computer.
2008-05-15 02:49 < Mark_Ryan> how dodgy. 4Gb isn;t enough to install fedora
2008-05-15 02:50 < Lubaf> Mark_Ryan: Not shocking.
2008-05-15 02:50 < Mark_Ryan> that's like Windows Vista-esque
2008-05-15 02:52 < Lubaf> Mark_Ryan: It won't install period, or does it bring up prompts?
2008-05-15 02:52 * Lubaf can easily see a distro going to 4Gb, but only when all the optional stuff gets loaded on.
2008-05-15 02:53 < Mark_Ryan> Lubaf, well I'm using a livecd
2008-05-15 02:53 < Mark_Ryan> it says there's not enough room in the root i just set up for the livecd
2008-05-15 02:53 < Mark_Ryan> or something like that
2008-05-15 02:53 < Blu_Aardvark> Speaking of Vista, http://blimptv.blogspot.com/2007/11/vista-sucks.html
2008-05-15 02:53 < Mark_Ryan> oh well, no big loss, I'll just install knoppix.
2008-05-15 02:54 < Lubaf> How about Ubutu?
2008-05-15 02:55 < Mark_Ryan> I'd go for Kubuntu over Ubuntu
2008-05-15 02:55 < Mark_Ryan> i don't like gnome that much
2008-05-15 02:56 < Lubaf> How about Debian?
2008-05-15 02:56 < Lubaf> How about penile implants?
2008-05-15 02:57 < Lubaf> How about questions with no answers?
2008-05-15 02:57 < Lubaf> How about you telling me whether you've stopped beating your wife?
2008-05-15 02:57 < Lubaf> How about I stop asking random questions?
2008-05-15 02:57 < Mark_Ryan> that was funny, Blu_Aardvark :D
2008-05-15 02:58 * Mark_Ryan doesn't have Vista, and is considering never getting it
2008-05-15 02:58 < Lubaf> That last one sounds like a good idea.
2008-05-15 02:58 < Luna-San> It's okay, he probably put you on ignore ages ago. :o
2008-05-15 02:58 * Mark_Ryan ignores Lubaf