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2008-05-14 08:43 < Werdna> any sysops?
2008-05-14 08:43 < Werdna> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Virtual_Tissue_Archive
2008-05-14 08:43 < Werdna> needs deletion - g4
2008-05-14 08:54 < bumm13> Werdna - done
2008-05-14 08:54 < Werdna> cheers.
2008-05-14 08:54 < bumm13> :)
2008-05-14 08:54 < bumm13> how goes it?
2008-05-14 08:55 < Werdna> it's alright.
2008-05-14 08:55 < Werdna> getting late :P
2008-05-14 08:55 < Werdna> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User_talk:Soulworx -- author
2008-05-14 08:55 < Werdna> the guy keeps using different capitalisation to recreate the page.
2008-05-14 08:56 < bumm13> :P
2008-05-14 08:56 < Werdna> I should run for RfA
2008-05-14 08:56 < ideogram> heh must remember that one
2008-05-14 08:56 < Werdna> ideogram: which one?
2008-05-14 08:57 < ideogram> mixing capitalization to defeat salting
2008-05-14 08:57 < Werdna> actually, I wonder if it would work
2008-05-14 08:57 < ideogram> sure it would
2008-05-14 08:58 < Werdna> I'm not sure of mysql select is case-sensitive for protected_titles table
2008-05-14 08:58 < ideogram> really now
2008-05-14 08:58 < bumm13> then keep extending the ban each time the person does that >:D
2008-05-14 08:58 < ideogram> is there ever a case where you actually want different capitalizations to go to different articles?
2008-05-14 08:58 < ideogram> I always thought that was dumb
2008-05-14 08:59 < Werdna> let me run a test locally
2008-05-14 09:02 < Werdna> I can verify that protected_titles is case-insensitive
2008-05-14 09:02 < Werdna> bug or feature? I don't know.
2008-05-14 09:02 < Werdna> But that's how it works
2008-05-14 09:03 < Werdna> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Talk:Northern_Ireland_Virtual_Tissue_Archive needs baleetion too
2008-05-14 09:03 < ideogram> wow that's really weird
2008-05-14 09:03 < Werdna> we delete orphaned talk pages right?
2008-05-14 10:17 < JessicaTaylor> night night everyone
2008-05-14 10:30 < Filll> here kitty kitty
2008-05-14 10:31 < cimon> Okay, any foolproof remedies for hiccups?
2008-05-14 10:32 < Filll> wow away
2008-05-14 10:32 < toresbe> cimon: cyanide
2008-05-14 10:33 < cimon> toresbe: I think you are right.
2008-05-14 10:33 < Filll> :)
2008-05-14 10:46 < Filll2> Wikinews has bad news on Scientology?
2008-05-14 11:06 < quanticle> Werdna: As I recall, SELECT is always case sensitive.
2008-05-14 11:38 < das_> is there any way, even a "hacky" way, with Wikipedua to do something like the following: have a wiki page with, say, a list of dates, and then somehow have a box on another page show only the next X number of them, in chronological order?
2008-05-14 11:38 < Lycurgus> "While out on the town, Sarah Jessica Parker reveals her 43-year-old hands." ABC News - 'Rich and Famous Caught Off Guard'
2008-05-14 11:39 < Mike_H> Lycurgus: Well, that's no shocker.
2008-05-14 11:39 < Mike_H> We've all known that SJP looks every year her 43 years.
2008-05-14 11:39 < Lycurgus> das_: do you mean the public wikipedia or the wikimedia package?
2008-05-14 11:39 < das_> well, really any way with mediawiki, but was just asking about wikipedia in particular
2008-05-14 11:40 < das_> this is actually for intellipedia
2008-05-14 11:40 < Lycurgus> yeah but they didn't look especially old to me, she's just very vascular
2008-05-14 11:41 < Lycurgus> you can do anything you are competent as a programmer to do with the distributed wikimedia package
2008-05-14 11:41 < Lycurgus> it's completely open source
2008-05-14 11:41 < Lycurgus> what's so fucking complicated about that?
2008-05-14 11:41 < das_> Uh
2008-05-14 11:41 < das_> Because not every mediawiki instance can be modified?
2008-05-14 11:42 < das_> I'm familiar with how open source "fucking" works, thanks.
2008-05-14 11:43 < Demi> Microsoft Word is just aggressively annoying
2008-05-14 11:43 < Demi> das_ - i don't know of a direct way to do what you're asking in mediawiki
2008-05-14 11:44 < das_> Yeah, I am coming to that conclusion myself.
2008-05-14 11:44 < Lycurgus> 'mediawiki' implies in this thread that you are going to get the tarball from the mediawiki site and work with it yourself
2008-05-14 11:44 < das_> Other than manually maintaining it.
2008-05-14 11:44 < Lycurgus> in which case you can do whatever you like
2008-05-14 11:44 < Demi> das_ - there are people around with significant template-fu but they might not be on now
2008-05-14 11:44 < Lycurgus> also there is #mediawiki
2008-05-14 11:44 < das_> Lycurgus: I am asking with regard to another mediawiki instance, which is fairly similar to wikipedia
2008-05-14 11:45 < Lycurgus> maybe they have thier own irc channel?
2008-05-14 11:45 < das_> *sigh*
2008-05-14 11:45 < das_> No, they don't.
2008-05-14 11:45 < das_> This is Intellipedia. Perhaps you've heard of it.
2008-05-14 11:45 < Lycurgus> no
2008-05-14 11:46 < das_> If there was a way to do it in Wikipedia, then that would obviously translate for me.
2008-05-14 11:46 < das_> I guess I should have just said, "Yes, I am asking about the public Wikipedia."
2008-05-14 11:54 < Alkivar> GAAAAAH i hate this
2008-05-14 11:54 < Alkivar> so i placed an order with a company April 19th for 2 day shipping
2008-05-14 11:54 < Alkivar> item still hasnt been shipped... and my credit card still hasnt been billed
2008-05-14 11:55 < Alkivar> i ended up ordering the parts from somewhere else
2008-05-14 11:55 < Alkivar> i STILL cant reach the first shop to cancel the order
2008-05-14 11:55 < Alkivar> i've been trying for 3 weeks now
2008-05-14 11:55 < Alkivar> i call the credit card company... they cant do anything til i get billed
2008-05-14 12:00 < madduck> consider banning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/168.169.179.202
2008-05-14 12:01 < madduck> no idea how to tell the admins
2008-05-14 12:01 < madduck> and no time
2008-05-14 12:01 < madduck> but i fixed the vandalism
2008-05-14 12:05 < das_> is there a way to find out the version of an extension on wikipedia? e.g., parserfunctions?
2008-05-14 12:07 < Cyrius> das_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
2008-05-14 12:07 < das_> hmm
2008-05-14 12:07 * das_ wonders what it means when no version is listed after ParserFunctions
2008-05-14 12:08 < Cyrius> they hadn't put the version in?
2008-05-14 12:08 < das_> where does it cull that version number from?
2008-05-14 12:08 < Cyrius> I have no idea
2008-05-14 12:14 < yrlnry> Why does the "random page" link on Finnish Wikipedia sometimes say "Satunnainen artikkeli" and sometimes "Satunnainen sivu"?
2008-05-14 12:24 < Mike_H> (CNN) -- An Austrian man has confessed to killing five members of his family with an ax, Vienna police said Wednesday.
2008-05-14 12:24 < Mike_H> Another reason to be weirded the fuck out about Austria!
2008-05-14 12:29 < Karambol> re
2008-05-14 12:32 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H
2008-05-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> I propose next wikimania to be in austria
2008-05-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> I want to have some incest fetish with axes
2008-05-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> :P
2008-05-14 12:35 < Alkivar> lol
2008-05-14 12:35 < Alkivar> hey Neko: do you know what the population of austria is?
2008-05-14 12:35 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> It used to be just that place where the von Trapps escaped the Nazis.
2008-05-14 12:35 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Now it's incest and flesh-eating and axe-murdering.
2008-05-14 12:36 < Alkivar> Shiroi_Neko: i dont either... but i bet its double our best guess ;)
2008-05-14 12:36 < Shiroi_Neko> Alkivar no
2008-05-14 12:36 < Shiroi_Neko> but I am sure I can find the right incest-axe fetish party
2008-05-14 12:39 < Alkivar> Shiroi_Neko: do you know why the US has a pedophile problem?
2008-05-14 12:39 < Shiroi_Neko> imported austrians??
2008-05-14 12:40 < Alkivar> nah but good try
2008-05-14 12:40 < Alkivar> the correct answer is "Sexy children"
2008-05-14 12:40 < Shiroi_Neko> austrian children?
2008-05-14 12:41 < Mike_H> Alkivar: so I'm reading Yahoo! News
2008-05-14 12:41 < Mike_H> and there's a big ad
2008-05-14 12:41 < Mike_H> and it says
2008-05-14 12:41 < Mike_H> "Should Obama Quit? Tell Us Your Opinion!"
2008-05-14 12:41 < Mike_H> and I'm like, why should HE quit? He isn't losing.
2008-05-14 12:42 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H WELL
2008-05-14 12:42 < Shiroi_Neko> he is loosing his patience
2008-05-14 12:42 < Mike_H> TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that Israel is dying and that its 60th anniversary celebrations are an attempt to prevent its "annihilation."
2008-05-14 12:42 < Mike_H> Ugh, that Ahmadinejad
2008-05-14 12:42 < Mike_H> STAY CLASSY, BRO
2008-05-14 12:43 < Shiroi_Neko> Ahmadinejawhat needs moar drama
2008-05-14 12:43 < Shiroi_Neko> I suggest a sex scandal
2008-05-14 12:43 < Mike_H> It sounds like he needs sex, period.
2008-05-14 12:44 < Shiroi_Neko> lets ship him to austria
2008-05-14 12:44 < Shiroi_Neko> h is a lunitic
2008-05-14 12:44 < Shiroi_Neko> so are the austrians
2008-05-14 12:44 < Alkivar> Mike_H: did you see the Obama curious george monkey tshirt yet?
2008-05-14 12:44 < Mike_H> Alkivar: no
2008-05-14 12:45 < Alkivar> someone took a picture of curious george eating a banana and captioned it "OBAMA 2008"
2008-05-14 12:45 < Alkivar> and is selling them in Georgia
2008-05-14 12:45 < Demi> he does have funny ears, to be sure
2008-05-14 12:45 < Alkivar> Demi: the implication is obama is a porch monkey
2008-05-14 12:46 < Mike_H> Alkivar: wow, we went back to 1932 with that one!
2008-05-14 12:46 < Shiroi_Neko> georgia as in he one bordering russia?
2008-05-14 12:46 < Mike_H> ugh.
2008-05-14 12:47 < Alkivar> http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7382
2008-05-14 12:47 < Alkivar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRIaIhk4eVA
2008-05-14 12:47 < Alkivar> Marietta Georgia bar owner
2008-05-14 12:47 < Alkivar> is the one who made me
2008-05-14 12:47 < Alkivar> err them
2008-05-14 12:48 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H
2008-05-14 12:48 < Shiroi_Neko> no one deserves to be exiled to austria
2008-05-14 12:48 < Shiroi_Neko> but ahmedinijawhat definately deserves austria
2008-05-14 12:49 < Lycurgus> what all cause of amstettin?
2008-05-14 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> he should be locked in an austrian celar and kept locked for 24 years + tax
2008-05-14 12:49 < Alkivar> do it british style... a box under a bed
2008-05-14 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H I think he would be kept company >:D
2008-05-14 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> Ahmedinijawhat is far too large to fit
2008-05-14 12:50 < Shiroi_Neko> he is a giant dick
2008-05-14 12:50 < Shiroi_Neko> despite being circumcised
2008-05-14 12:50 < Lycurgus> what does that have to do with it?
2008-05-14 13:00 < Ryanpostlethwait> Does Cirt come in here?
2008-05-14 13:01 < Mike_H> no, he is in #wikinews
2008-05-14 13:02 < kenlyric> zomg what is it?
2008-05-14 13:02 < Rinn> I'm a dine jad!
2008-05-14 13:02 < kenlyric> did nasa find v'ger?
2008-05-14 13:02 * Pasqual|XChat is away: tic absent/ocupat
2008-05-14 13:03 < Shiroi_Neko> kenlyric yes
2008-05-14 13:03 < Shiroi_Neko> it happens to be dick cheney
2008-05-14 13:12 < Mike5> why is the total number of pages in a category no longer shown?
2008-05-14 13:15 < Demi> "The truth is common property. You can't distinguish your group by doing things that are rational, and believing things that are true. If you want to set yourself apart from other people, you have to do things that are arbitrary, and believe things that are false."
2008-05-14 13:50 < Project2501a> /topic Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Status: up | Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/34mdzm | Gossiping about other wikipedians behind their backs is prohibited | forming cabals is allowed, though
2008-05-14 13:53 < gwern> Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, was on phone-bank duty one night during the Pennsylvania primary campaign. One night was all she could take: "It wasn't pretty." She made 60 calls to prospective voters in Susquehanna County, her home county, which is 98 percent white. The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"
2008-05-14 13:53 < gwern> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051203014_pf.html
2008-05-14 13:53 < Demi> do those robodialing campaign efforts actually work?
2008-05-14 13:53 < Demi> they just irritate me
2008-05-14 13:57 < Shiroi_Neko> robodialing is actualy illegal
2008-05-14 13:57 < Shiroi_Neko> aw makers and the government merely dont know about it yet
2008-05-14 13:57 < Cyrius> no, law makers and the government wrote themselves an exception
2008-05-14 13:58 < Shiroi_Neko> yes but the doctor will fix it
2008-05-14 13:58 < Shiroi_Neko> once he is done dealing with a dalek
2008-05-14 14:26 < Mike_H> Father jailed for 180 days after daughter fails GED
2008-05-14 14:26 < Mike_H> roffle
2008-05-14 14:26 < Mike_H> love it
2008-05-14 14:27 < Demi> i'm guessing there's more to that story
2008-05-14 14:27 < Phoenixwi> does anyone know what salve citizens means?
2008-05-14 14:27 < Demi> or is that what people are always referring to with "parental responsibility"
2008-05-14 14:27 < Demi> Phoenixwi - religion is the opiate of the masses, but opium is the salve of the masses
2008-05-14 14:28 < Phoenixwi> that's the translation or some saying associated with the motto?
2008-05-14 14:29 < Demi> i don't know, i usually just make stuff up
2008-05-14 14:30 < Phoenixwi> though so
2008-05-14 14:30 < Demi> to be fair, no one will have any idea what you're talking about because you didn't give a context
2008-05-14 14:30 < Demi> it's like "what does 'the oatmeal on my toe' mean?"
2008-05-14 14:31 * isdead I'm out
2008-05-14 14:31 < gwern> For my final I consumed half a bottle of wine and poured forth with a gonzoish lamentation on breaking up with my girlfriend. "You write better drunk than most students do sober," Mr. Hillerman scrawled on the paper. "A+."
2008-05-14 14:31 < Phoenixwi> it means good citizens...
2008-05-14 14:31 < Phoenixwi> actually "to be well citizens
2008-05-14 14:37 < eptalon> hello there.
2008-05-14 14:37 < Phoenixwi> hey eptalon :-)
2008-05-14 14:38 < eptalon> I am looking ofr osmeone who speaks/understands what looks like a norse language to me (Swedish, Icelandic)?-I do have a comment on my (simple english) talk page that I do not understand.
2008-05-14 14:38 < Shiroi_Neko> good citizens are like good articles
2008-05-14 14:38 < Shiroi_Neko> they shine but they arent featured
2008-05-14 14:38 < eptalon> hello Phoenixwi ;)
2008-05-14 14:40 < nsh> who has the access springerlink nowtimes?
2008-05-14 14:41 * quanticle bops Shiroi_Neko with a Menos Grande
2008-05-14 14:41 < eptalon> nsh: I think they are on a pay-per-article basis.
2008-05-14 14:42 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: I just got past the filler arc.
2008-05-14 14:42 < quanticle> Anyway.
2008-05-14 14:42 * quanticle out for lunch
2008-05-14 14:43 < nsh> eptalon, most academic institutions have some degree of subscription to their resources. but yeah, mostly payballs
2008-05-14 14:46 < eptalon> nsh: its different; usually I have no issues accssing IEEE or ACM publications, but springer is different.
2008-05-14 14:52 * nsh reconsiders his proposal to extent eminent domain to intellectual property
2008-05-14 14:52 < nsh> *extend
2008-05-14 14:52 < nsh> oo
2008-05-14 14:52 < nsh> someone else thought of it already
2008-05-14 14:53 < nsh> http://www.athenaalliance.org/weblog/archives/2005/03/eminent_domain_1.html
2008-05-14 14:53 < nsh> Reason, FUCK YEAH
2008-05-14 15:04 < lufis> Is there some guideline page against fanboyism, by any chance?
2008-05-14 15:04 < The359> Define fanboyism
2008-05-14 15:04 < DrSkullthumper> Is it a POV issue?
2008-05-14 15:05 < Shiroi_Neko> "It was only after Pinyan died, when law enforcement looked for one way to punish his associates, that the legality of bestiality in Washington State became an issue ... The prosecutor's office wanted to charge [his friend] with animal abuse, but the police found no evidence of abused animals on the many videotapes they collected from his home. As there was no law against humanely [having sex with] one horse, the prosecutors could only charge
2008-05-14 15:05 < lufis> fanboyism, as in, for example, saying a particular musical artist holds more weight in the industry than she really does because this one editor loves the artist and wants to elevate her
2008-05-14 15:06 < lufis> And won't listen to anyone else
2008-05-14 15:06 < Shiroi_Neko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoosexuality_and_the_law#Difficulty_in_establishing_legality
2008-05-14 15:06 < Shiroi_Neko> ol
2008-05-14 15:06 < DrSkullthumper> lufis: Yeah, if it's not cited stuff, get rid of it
2008-05-14 15:06 < DrSkullthumper> Anything that's not sourced is fair game for removal.
2008-05-14 15:07 < lufis> DrSkullthumper: Try telling the editor that! I swear to god, having to defend against idiots is the biggest pain in the ass
2008-05-14 15:07 < lufis> The editor won't listen to anyone
2008-05-14 15:07 < DrSkullthumper> lufis: [[WP:A]]
2008-05-14 15:08 < DrSkullthumper> It *must* be cited
2008-05-14 15:08 < Alkivar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNawTPE1ejg <-- effective
2008-05-14 15:08 < lufis> Fucking know-it-alls who won't listen to anything you have to say ruin wp
2008-05-14 15:08 < lufis> one of the reasons i haven't edited in so long
2008-05-14 15:08 < DrSkullthumper> lufis: If he keeps reverting you, I'd report it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR
2008-05-14 15:10 < The359> lufis, what article
2008-05-14 15:10 < lufis> The359: tori amos
2008-05-14 15:11 < The359> hmmm
2008-05-14 15:11 < The359> you'd think she'd have more intelligent fanboys
2008-05-14 15:11 < lufis> yeah well
2008-05-14 15:11 < The359> Convergence Dude?
2008-05-14 15:12 < mattbuck> you have to love fandalism
2008-05-14 15:12 * Shiroi_Neko wonders about fan girls
2008-05-14 15:13 < mattbuck> yeah
2008-05-14 15:13 < mattbuck> the vandalism to mcfly pages gets quite annoying "Harry has been spotted going out with <insert name of editor here>, and they seem to be in love. Let's hope they get married."
2008-05-14 15:14 < mattbuck> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Busted&curid=384601&diff=206284867&oldid=205100546 <--- I like that one though
2008-05-14 15:15 < lufis> The359: yup
2008-05-14 15:15 < The359> he seems to think she is a sole pioneer
2008-05-14 15:16 < The359> rather than one of the multiple leading female artists
2008-05-14 15:16 < The359> If she's the only one, it should be able to be referenced
2008-05-14 15:16 < The359> Throw some Citation Needed tags on it and tell him to cite it, or it'll be removed
2008-05-14 15:16 < lufis> That's what I'm trying to tell the guy
2008-05-14 15:16 < lufis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Samuel_Grant#Word_choices_on_Tori_Amos
2008-05-14 15:19 < The359> I left a message on his talk page, lufis
2008-05-14 15:19 < lufis> The359: thanks
2008-05-14 15:20 < lufis> Seems like this is going on all the damn time, makes me want to run away
2008-05-14 15:20 < lufis> screaming.
2008-05-14 15:20 < Messedrocker> The359, get your pearl harbor move out of the way
2008-05-14 15:20 < lufis> not that i think my judgment is infallible, you know, but shit.
2008-05-14 15:20 < The359> it looks like a horrible article to get involved in
2008-05-14 15:20 < The359> but hopefully I can curb this one guy
2008-05-14 15:21 < lufis> horrible, in what way?
2008-05-14 15:21 < lufis> Me and a friend have done a ton to improve it
2008-05-14 15:21 < lufis> but seems like there are always a few flakes out who refuse to listen to anyone else's opinion
2008-05-14 15:22 < The359> Just that it seems full of opinion and debate and such
2008-05-14 15:22 < The359> not saying you aren't improving it
2008-05-14 15:22 < The359> just that it suffers from the fanboyism you speak of
2008-05-14 15:23 < lufis> right
2008-05-14 15:23 < The359> there, Messedrocker
2008-05-14 15:23 < The359> I made a valiant attack against your little brigade
2008-05-14 15:23 < The359> but for nothing
2008-05-14 15:23 < Messedrocker> little?
2008-05-14 15:25 < The359> not last again, finally
2008-05-14 15:25 < The359> erm
2008-05-14 15:25 < The359> first out I mean
2008-05-14 15:26 < Messedrocker> The359, the same thing happened to me on another map
2008-05-14 15:26 < Messedrocker> i had only one territory left
2008-05-14 15:27 < Messedrocker> so i put up a "valiant fight for nought" as you would say
2008-05-14 15:27 < Messedrocker> just now, even
2008-05-14 15:27 < Messedrocker> http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2419203
2008-05-14 15:28 < Messedrocker> http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2419203
2008-05-14 15:41 < koavf> Are there any admins around who can take care of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Working/Manual#Ready_for_deletion
2008-05-14 15:43 < Mahlzahn> koavf: why did you bother? It would have been easier to do a CSD. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#Categories
2008-05-14 15:44 < koavf> That's what the page says to do.
2008-05-14 15:44 < koavf> That's why I did it.
2008-05-14 15:44 < koavf> I didn't put in {{db-orphan}} or {{db-empty}} or {{db-reason}} because they hadn't been empty for four days.
2008-05-14 15:45 < Mahlzahn> so wait four days. They won't be deleted before then anyway.
2008-05-14 15:45 < koavf> Nor did I want to try to remember them and come back four days later - I figured someone would have seen this list in the ensuing four days and delete them himself.
2008-05-14 15:45 < koavf> Well, they will, as some of them have been already.
2008-05-14 15:45 < koavf> Some of them will, some of them won't; I have no idea what rhyme or reason there is to it, if any.
2008-05-14 15:45 < koavf> I would have deleted them myself, of course, but I do not have access.
2008-05-14 15:46 < Mahlzahn> well, now its at CfD, so it will have to run its course.
2008-05-14 15:47 < Mahlzahn> btw, when adding material to an article, please take care to honor citation style.
2008-05-14 15:48 < koavf> I don't understand either of the things you just wrote.
2008-05-14 15:48 < koavf> What is "it" and the course it will have to run, and what are you talking about with citation style?
2008-05-14 15:49 < Lycurgus> i hope he means the style already established in the article
2008-05-14 15:49 < Mahlzahn> yes.
2008-05-14 15:49 < Lycurgus> (i really don't give a shit but that would be the best case)
2008-05-14 15:49 < Mahlzahn> heh
2008-05-14 15:50 < koavf> Do you have something in mind? An example?
2008-05-14 15:50 < Mahlzahn> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parsi&diff=206448648&oldid=203292699
2008-05-14 15:51 < koavf> Oh sure. Sometimes, it's just too much of a bother.
2008-05-14 15:51 < koavf> What does "well, now its at CfD, so it will have to run its course." mean?
2008-05-14 15:52 < Mahlzahn> "Too much of a bother" is a pretty pathetic excuse.
2008-05-14 15:53 < koavf> Okay.
2008-05-14 15:53 < Mahlzahn> and "now its at CfD" means you have to wait for it to go through the hoops.
2008-05-14 15:53 < koavf> It's not like I have to justify myself to you - I added a reputable source and made the information better.
2008-05-14 15:53 < koavf> It has been through the hoops.
2008-05-14 15:53 < koavf> I don't think you understand.
2008-05-14 15:53 < koavf> These categories are ready to be deleted now.
2008-05-14 15:53 < koavf> They are listed for deletion.
2008-05-14 15:53 < koavf> If you are an admin, you can delete them immediately.
2008-05-14 15:54 < Mahlzahn> I don't understand -- then why didn't use use {{db-catempty}}?
2008-05-14 15:55 < koavf> Because as far as I'm aware, they are to be empty for four days before using that, AND the entire point of listing them for deletion is that they get deleted once they are on that list; it's redundant.
2008-05-14 15:55 < koavf> Some of them haven't been empty for four hours, let alone four days.
2008-05-14 15:55 < Mahlzahn> well, thats what db-catempty does.
2008-05-14 15:56 < koavf> What is what db-catempty does?
2008-05-14 15:56 < koavf> I don't understand you.
2008-05-14 15:56 < The359> Why do they need to be deleted this instant?
2008-05-14 15:56 < The359> Someone will get to them
2008-05-14 15:56 < koavf> I can't put {{db-catempty}} there unless they've been empty for four days, right?
2008-05-14 15:56 < koavf> Well, they haven't been.
2008-05-14 15:56 < koavf> So it's not appropriate to use it.
2008-05-14 15:56 < The359> ...
2008-05-14 15:57 < The359> you said they've only been empty 4 hours
2008-05-14 15:57 < koavf> Right.
2008-05-14 15:57 < The359> you think there's people sitting there 24/7 waiting to delete shit?
2008-05-14 15:57 < koavf> No.
2008-05-14 15:57 < The359> It'll take a few days
2008-05-14 15:57 < The359> just wait
2008-05-14 15:57 < koavf> Did you look at the list in the first place?
2008-05-14 15:57 < Mahlzahn> You previously said: "Because as far as I'm aware, they are to be empty for four days before using that"
2008-05-14 15:57 < The359> Yes
2008-05-14 15:57 < koavf> Some of them have been on that list for several days.
2008-05-14 15:57 < The359> again, if they're empty, what does it matter if they're deleted now?
2008-05-14 15:57 < koavf> They are supposed to be deleted.
2008-05-14 15:57 < koavf> So someone needs to delete them.
2008-05-14 15:58 < koavf> Otherwise, they might get populated again.
2008-05-14 15:58 < The359> so someone will
2008-05-14 15:58 < Mahlzahn> whoa!
2008-05-14 15:58 < koavf> As users will see blue links instead of redlinks.
2008-05-14 15:58 < hevydevy81> privet
2008-05-14 15:58 < koavf> Yes, someone will if they notice.
2008-05-14 15:58 < Mahlzahn> if they get populated again then they are by definition useful to someone.
2008-05-14 15:58 < hevydevy81> hello
2008-05-14 15:58 < The359> they wont see them if nothing links to them
2008-05-14 15:58 < koavf> No, they are redundant.
2008-05-14 15:58 < koavf> They were renamed.
2008-05-14 15:58 < The359> And they are not populated
2008-05-14 15:58 < hevydevy81> j'ai une demande à formuler à un admin
2008-05-14 15:58 < hevydevy81> ah
2008-05-14 15:58 < hevydevy81> mince
2008-05-14 15:58 < koavf> Well, someone created them in the first place.
2008-05-14 15:58 < The359> so?
2008-05-14 15:58 < koavf> So someone can populate them again.
2008-05-14 15:58 < hevydevy81> je suis sur le wp anglais
2008-05-14 15:59 < Mahlzahn> hevydevy81: join #wikipedia-fr
2008-05-14 15:59 < The359> you think in a few days someone's going to write an article and throw in [[Category:Heads of state in Fiji]]?
2008-05-14 15:59 < The359> just wait
2008-05-14 15:59 < The359> calm down
2008-05-14 15:59 < koavf> Do I think it will happen?
2008-05-14 15:59 < koavf> No.
2008-05-14 15:59 < koavf> Why don't you calm down?
2008-05-14 15:59 < koavf> What is the point of telling me to calm down?
2008-05-14 15:59 < koavf> I'm making a simple request.
2008-05-14 16:00 < koavf> And I was given advice that is nonsense, so I rejected it.
2008-05-14 16:00 < koavf> I don't think I'm particularly worked up; I just want someone to assist me.
2008-05-14 16:00 < koavf> If you can't or won't, then why are you responding at all?
2008-05-14 16:00 < The359> and you will be assisted when someone gets to it
2008-05-14 16:00 < Messedrocker> The359, very interesting how you ended up being the last player eliminated from Pearl Harbor
2008-05-14 16:00 < The359> turning in some cards helped me stay alive a bit longer, Messedrocker
2008-05-14 16:00 < Messedrocker> i personally expected you to be the first to go, but you always manage to have those small comebacks that allow you to sustain for the next round
2008-05-14 16:01 < The359> yeah
2008-05-14 16:01 < koavf> And someone will get to it faster if someone is available right now.
2008-05-14 16:01 < Mahlzahn> koavf: your question has been answered. You've been told for two different reasons that your time is not more precious than anyone elses. So enough already.
2008-05-14 16:01 < koavf> I do not know who, if anyone watches that page.
2008-05-14 16:01 < Messedrocker> The359, i lose often; this was only the second game i won
2008-05-14 16:01 < koavf> Mahlzahn, you're being belligerent now.
2008-05-14 16:01 < koavf> And you gave me nonsense advice that doesn't solve my problem.
2008-05-14 16:01 < koavf> So enough already.
2008-05-14 16:01 < The359> koavf, for a simple request, you're fighting pretty fucking hard to get some empty categories dealt with quicker than they really need to be
2008-05-14 16:01 < koavf> And you're fighting pretty hard yourself.
2008-05-14 16:02 < The359> No?
2008-05-14 16:02 < The359> I'm telling you that they will be deleted
2008-05-14 16:02 < Mahlzahn> sounds like the deletion would be contested.
2008-05-14 16:02 < The359> Move on
2008-05-14 16:02 < amidaniel> Everybody chill ...
2008-05-14 16:02 < koavf> Deletion will not be contested, since they were speedy deletes. At least, that would be my guess - what leads you to believe otherwise.
2008-05-14 16:02 < koavf> ?
2008-05-14 16:02 < Mahlzahn> the way you are behaving.
2008-05-14 16:02 < The359> You're not in the Speedy Delete page
2008-05-14 16:02 < koavf> What does that mean?
2008-05-14 16:02 < The359> not even close
2008-05-14 16:03 < koavf> No, I am not a page at all. I honestly have no idea what you're even saying.
2008-05-14 16:03 < Working_Cat> Alkivar's law: as the number of users in #wikipedia increases... the closer to #GNAA it becomes
2008-05-14 16:03 < koavf> They were on Speedy Deletes.
2008-05-14 16:03 < koavf> Check the history.
2008-05-14 16:03 < koavf> That's why they are listed where they are listed.
2008-05-14 16:03 < koavf> They were moved there *from* speedy deletes; that's the whole point.
2008-05-14 16:03 < Mahlzahn> then wait it out.
2008-05-14 16:04 < koavf> I do not know if anyone checks this page.
2008-05-14 16:04 < Working_Cat> QUESTION: how many offences does it take to ban an IP?
2008-05-14 16:04 < Mahlzahn> Working_Cat: what kind of offenses
2008-05-14 16:04 < koavf> It probably depends on severity.
2008-05-14 16:04 < The359> Didn't you say at first that you didn't go to CSD?
2008-05-14 16:04 < amidaniel> Working_Cat: That's a case-by-case situation, there is no formula
2008-05-14 16:04 < koavf> No, I don't recall saying that; these categories were listed at CSD.
2008-05-14 16:04 < Working_Cat> Mahlzahn amidaniel : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:12.42.51.27
2008-05-14 16:04 < The359> <Mahlzahn> koavf: why did you bother? It would have been easier to do a CSD. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#Categories
2008-05-14 16:04 < The359> <koavf> That's what the page says to do.
2008-05-14 16:04 < The359> <koavf> That's why I did it.
2008-05-14 16:05 < koavf> What?
2008-05-14 16:05 < koavf> A CSD was done.
2008-05-14 16:05 < amidaniel> Working_Cat: Three problems over the course of three years = no
2008-05-14 16:05 < koavf> That is why they are already listed there.
2008-05-14 16:06 < The359> Koavf
2008-05-14 16:06 < The359> they should be listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion
2008-05-14 16:06 < Working_Cat> amidaniel: thats just 3 reported. for a few months hes been stalking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasistha
2008-05-14 16:06 < Mahlzahn> Working_Cat: add {{subst:3RR|<article>}} to talk page
2008-05-14 16:06 < koavf> Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.
2008-05-14 16:06 < koavf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy
2008-05-14 16:06 < Working_Cat> amidaniel, Mahlzahn : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palestine/Topic&diff=prev&oldid=212354043
2008-05-14 16:07 < Mahlzahn> Working_Cat: [[WP:AIV]]
2008-05-14 16:07 < koavf> Which is what I did.
2008-05-14 16:07 < Working_Cat> i'd really deal with some of these myself, but i dont wanna edit from work...
2008-05-14 16:08 < jont> I need some help with the site
2008-05-14 16:08 < koavf> Sure.
2008-05-14 16:08 < koavf> What do you need?
2008-05-14 16:08 < jont> I am a new user, and need to upload a picture...I have created an article, and need a picture with it
2008-05-14 16:08 < The359> well since they're apparently not quick enough for your standards
2008-05-14 16:08 < The359> Move the older ones to Category:Candidates for Speedy Deletion
2008-05-14 16:08 < koavf> Okay, do you know the copyright information of the picture?
2008-05-14 16:08 < Working_Cat> brb
2008-05-14 16:08 < jont> It requirs me to wait 4 days, but I took the picture, and would like to complete the page for a presentation - could any of you upload it for me?
2008-05-14 16:08 < The359> wait, presentation?
2008-05-14 16:09 < koavf> Oh, you're a new user and so you can't upload a photo? I didn't know that.
2008-05-14 16:09 < koavf> What is the page?
2008-05-14 16:09 < jont> yes, my class would like us to create or edit a wikipedia page regarding a historic building/figure/etc in our city
2008-05-14 16:09 < koavf> And what page did you create?
2008-05-14 16:09 < jont> "National Bank of Rolla"
2008-05-14 16:09 < koavf> And you have a picture of this bank?
2008-05-14 16:10 < The359> No such page exists?
2008-05-14 16:10 < koavf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bank_of_Rolla
2008-05-14 16:10 < jont> Yes
2008-05-14 16:10 < TheWeasel> Rolla seceded from the US? :-D
2008-05-14 16:10 < koavf> That page is empty.
2008-05-14 16:10 < jont> lol
2008-05-14 16:10 < TheWeasel> I'd call it "National Bank, Rolla"
2008-05-14 16:10 < TheWeasel> but that might be just me
2008-05-14 16:10 < jont> hmm, i just made it
2008-05-14 16:10 < The359> what is the address?
2008-05-14 16:11 < koavf> What is your username?
2008-05-14 16:11 < Messedrocker> actually "National Bank of Rolla" sounds right
2008-05-14 16:11 < TheWeasel> oh, fair enough
2008-05-14 16:11 < Messedrocker> like "National Bank"'s in Rolla
2008-05-14 16:11 < jont> sorry, "National Bank of Rolla Building"
2008-05-14 16:11 < TheWeasel> except it's National Bank at (or in) Rolla
2008-05-14 16:11 < koavf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jont
2008-05-14 16:11 < The359> hmmm
2008-05-14 16:11 < Messedrocker> TheWeasel, that's my point
2008-05-14 16:11 < The359> I think that article would be deleted, jont
2008-05-14 16:11 < The359> There's no citations or references
2008-05-14 16:11 < Mahlzahn> yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bank_of_Rolla_Building
2008-05-14 16:12 < TheWeasel> "of" sounds like Rolla was a nation.
2008-05-14 16:12 < jont> really?
2008-05-14 16:12 < jont> k
2008-05-14 16:12 < The359> just a history
2008-05-14 16:12 < koavf> Okay.
2008-05-14 16:12 < jont> I will put references
2008-05-14 16:12 < jont> Its on the national historic registry
2008-05-14 16:12 < koavf> There are other issues with the page, as point out.
2008-05-14 16:12 < TheWeasel> oh, brb
2008-05-14 16:12 < jont> here's a reference: http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/MO/Phelps/state.html
2008-05-14 16:12 < jont> its a historic building
2008-05-14 16:12 < jont> with a lot of history
2008-05-14 16:13 < koavf> Sure.
2008-05-14 16:13 < koavf> I believe you.
2008-05-14 16:13 < jont> i will continue to update it and add references - but i really need a picture
2008-05-14 16:13 < The359> What grade is this by the way?
2008-05-14 16:13 < koavf> And you can't upload one because you are a new user?
2008-05-14 16:13 < The359> or college class for that matter?
2008-05-14 16:14 < jont> its a high school class
2008-05-14 16:14 < jont> history
2008-05-14 16:14 < koavf> And you took the picture, so you have the copyright?
2008-05-14 16:14 < jont> my teacher doesn't let us use wikipedia for our papers, but he wants us to update it
2008-05-14 16:14 < jont> ;-)
2008-05-14 16:15 < jont> yes, i took the picture
2008-05-14 16:15 < The359> Did your teacher tell you how to edit Wikipedia
2008-05-14 16:15 < The359> Or just let you loose on it?
2008-05-14 16:15 < jont> he told us in 1 class how it works (for those who didn't know), and how to edit, etc
2008-05-14 16:16 < Lubaf> What's the template for a article that needs tone cleanup?
2008-05-14 16:16 < jont> he talked about references, and using the sandbox, etc
2008-05-14 16:16 < The359> Did he tell you about referencing?
2008-05-14 16:16 < The359> And notability?
2008-05-14 16:16 < koavf> Okay, well I can upload it myself. Just e-mail me something that says you give permission for it to be on Wikipedia, and I'll forward it.
2008-05-14 16:16 < koavf> {{tone}}
2008-05-14 16:16 < jont> koavf: thanks, whats your e-mail?\
2008-05-14 16:16 < koavf> If you want to e-mail the picture and permission: justinkoavf@gmail.com
2008-05-14 16:16 * The359 also notices it's not listed under National Historic Landmarks
2008-05-14 16:16 < The359> But rather Registered Historic Places in Missouri
2008-05-14 16:17 < koavf> And make sure you tell me how it is to be used (e.g. all non-commercial purposes, any purpose, only on Wikipedia, only on this article, etc.)
2008-05-14 16:17 < koavf> This is much easier once you have permission to upload, by the way.
2008-05-14 16:17 < jont> the359, lol, yes
2008-05-14 16:17 < Lubaf> I has added {{tone}} and {{cleanup}} to [[Weinberg-Witten theorem]].
2008-05-14 16:18 < jont> koavf: i know, any purpose
2008-05-14 16:18 < Lubaf> Does them article need moar or othar templates?
2008-05-14 16:19 < The359> jont, you said the National Register of Historic Places website was your reference
2008-05-14 16:19 < The359> But the article you wrote is about the history of the building
2008-05-14 16:19 < The359> None of that information is on the National Register of Historic Places website
2008-05-14 16:19 < jont> the359: yes, i was going to put that as 1 reference, not the only
2008-05-14 16:19 < Lubaf> Anybody?
2008-05-14 16:19 < The359> well what is your other reference?
2008-05-14 16:20 < The359> also, should building be lower case?
2008-05-14 16:20 < jont> the359: i have papers produced by the bank with the history of the building, i will do some research on wikipedia on how to properly site these resources
2008-05-14 16:21 < Lubaf> Come on, is [[Weinberg-Witten theorem]] in need of more or other templates than cleanup and tone?
2008-05-14 16:21 < jont> the359: i think thats why he assigned this project, to research the proper way of making articles on wikipedia, using sources, and changing articles appropriately
2008-05-14 16:21 < Mahlzahn> Lubaf: looking...
2008-05-14 16:21 < Lubaf> Mahlzahn: Danke.
2008-05-14 16:21 < The359> well it needs a lot of work, jont
2008-05-14 16:21 < The359> The article doesn't even mention the fact that it is on a National Register of Historic Places
2008-05-14 16:22 < The359> so to another editor, it would appear as though it is not notable and may be deleted
2008-05-14 16:22 < The359> As of now it simply claims to be an old building important in its town
2008-05-14 16:22 < jont> i will work on the sources
2008-05-14 16:22 < The359> sources and the text in the article itself
2008-05-14 16:22 < jont> wow, the new page looks great...thanks guys, i really appreciate the help - i will spend a couple of hours researching citations before i edit it further
2008-05-14 16:23 < jont> thanks again guys, much appreciated!!
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> Hi people. I need some English language help. I never know when to use dashes or not:
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> I am making a template that does namespace detection. (Never mind what that is, unless you are extra curious.)
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> Should I name it like this:
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> {{namespace detect| talk=something | other=something }}
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> Or like this:
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> {{namespace-detect| talk=something | other=something }}
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> Any advice apreciated.
2008-05-14 16:24 < Dendodge> doesn't matter
2008-05-14 16:24 < Mole2> Oh?
2008-05-14 16:24 < koavf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bank_of_Rolla_Building
2008-05-14 16:24 < koavf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National_Bank_of_Rolla_Building.jpg
2008-05-14 16:24 < Dendodge> Nah, it's personal preference
2008-05-14 16:24 < Lubaf> Mahlzahn: Arigato.
2008-05-14 16:25 < koavf> Please edit this to say who you are "author" and when this was taken "date."
2008-05-14 16:25 < koavf> 2005?
2008-05-14 16:25 < Mole2> Ah okay. So have to think about it. Guess I'll go without the dash since dashes makes the template name harder to type.
2008-05-14 16:25 < The359> it's a little crooked
2008-05-14 16:25 < Mahlzahn> Mole2: are there other {{namespace}} templates? If not, with hyphen.
2008-05-14 16:25 < Mole2> Thanks Dendodge.
2008-05-14 16:25 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: That's the first namespace template with that kind of naming.
2008-05-14 16:25 < Mahlzahn> Lobaf: np
2008-05-14 16:26 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: The "old" ones are instead named things like {{main talk other}} and so on.
2008-05-14 16:26 < Mahlzahn> then stay with the hyphen, unless you intend to extend it to other {{namespace xxx}} templates.
2008-05-14 16:26 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: That is, they just simply list the namespaces they detect. But I noticed people are confused by that so I wanted to add the "namespace detect" working to it in some way.
2008-05-14 16:26 < Mahlzahn> though the name is a bit wordy.
2008-05-14 16:26 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: Right.-
2008-05-14 16:27 < Mole2> Actually, that might be the "final" namespace detection template, since it will cover ALL cases that I know of in one single easy to use template. :)
2008-05-14 16:27 < Mahlzahn> Isn't there a {{NAMESPACE}} magic word?
2008-05-14 16:27 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: Yes, but that magic word isn't so easy to use when you do more complex things.
2008-05-14 16:27 < Mole2> Since you have to add #if: code and so on to use it.
2008-05-14 16:28 < Mahlzahn> switch?
2008-05-14 16:28 < Mole2> Yeasier for people to just use: {{image other| Text to show on image pages | Text to show on all other pages }}
2008-05-14 16:28 < Mole2> *Easier
2008-05-14 16:28 < Mahlzahn> aaah. Understand.
2008-05-14 16:29 < Mole2> Actually, that one is now used in more than 600,000 pages. So it is pretty popular. :)
2008-05-14 16:30 < Mahlzahn> so, you want to create some sort of meta template, right?
2008-05-14 16:30 < Mole2> But it seems many editors get confused by its barebones name.
2008-05-14 16:30 < Mole2> Right, I am going to make yet another namespace detecting meta-template.
2008-05-14 16:30 < Alkivar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74pVjP0Miy0
2008-05-14 16:31 < Mole2> It will work like this: {{namespace detect| image=Image text | talk=talk text | other=Any other pages text }}
2008-05-14 16:31 < Mole2> So it can be used for any combinations of namespaces.
2008-05-14 16:31 < Mahlzahn> Mole2: {{ifimage|true|false}} would be intuitive I think.
2008-05-14 16:31 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: Yeah, something like that. Perhaps even {{ifimagepage|true|false}} ?
2008-05-14 16:32 < Mahlzahn> yes :)
2008-05-14 16:32 < Mole2> The naming I used so far comes from that the first one we needed and I did was {{main talk other}}.
2008-05-14 16:32 < Mahlzahn> a meta could be... {{ifns|talk|true|false}}
2008-05-14 16:32 < Mole2> And then we needed {{main talk category other}}.
2008-05-14 16:33 < Mahlzahn> ewww. I see the problem.
2008-05-14 16:33 < Mole2> So for us that know the naming it is very easy to use, since the name of the template says the order of the parameters. :)
2008-05-14 16:33 < Mole2> But when seeing stuff like this people who don't know get confused:
2008-05-14 16:34 < Mahlzahn> so, {{ifns|talk=x|image=y|default=<whatever>}}
2008-05-14 16:34 < Mole2> {{category other| [[Category:Something]] | This message box should only be used on categories }}
2008-05-14 16:34 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: Yes, that is exactly what I am thinking of building now.
2008-05-14 16:34 < Mole2> Hmm, good point. "default" might be a better name than "other" for the last parameter.
2008-05-14 16:35 < Mole2> Of course, I am not sure we actually need that monster. But as I often do when I get an idea, I code it up and try it out to see if it is good or not. :)
2008-05-14 16:36 < Mahlzahn> yep, be bold :)
2008-05-14 16:36 < Mole2> "ifns" might be a good name. I noticed people like short names, and "if" makes it clear that it chooses one of the options.
2008-05-14 16:36 < Mole2> Thanks for that name suggestion.
2008-05-14 16:37 < Mahlzahn> with default=, {{ifns|...}} can actually map almost perfectly to a switch statement btw.
2008-05-14 16:37 < Mole2> Yep!
2008-05-14 16:37 < Sky2042> mixing templates and parsers in that way...
2008-05-14 16:38 < Mole2> Sky2042: Well, I am a programmer by habbit and profession. I like to package complex code in neat shiny boxes that are easy to use for less knowledgeable editors. :)
2008-05-14 16:38 < Mahlzahn> hehe. I hear you.
2008-05-14 16:38 < Sky2042> of course.
2008-05-14 16:38 < Mole2> With good documentation and examples to go with that. :)
2008-05-14 16:39 < Sky2042> actually, i had a question for an image person, if either you do any of that.
2008-05-14 16:39 < Mole2> I realised it is worth the time to document properly since some of the templates I made have been mass used.
2008-05-14 16:39 < Mahlzahn> that reminds me... anyone know if #ifexist works with categories?
2008-05-14 16:40 < Mahlzahn> Sky2042: shoot. Plenty of people listening.
2008-05-14 16:40 < Mole2> Sky2042: Well, you can ask and who knows, anyone in here that listens might know or atleast can come with some pointer.
2008-05-14 16:40 < Sky2042> is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:NGC_Gamecube.jpg really free for use?
2008-05-14 16:40 < Sky2042> :/
2008-05-14 16:40 < Sky2042> and why so, if it is.
2008-05-14 16:40 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: Haha, never tried #ifexist: with categories, but as far as I know if the category does have a category page it should work.
2008-05-14 16:41 < Mole2> Mahlzahn: Note that a category can have pages in it even if the category page has not yet been created.
2008-05-14 16:41 * Mole2 looks at Sky2042's image.
2008-05-14 16:41 < Mahlzahn> Sky2042: I'd think because it is a photo of an object. The object itself is not being copied.
2008-05-14 16:41 < Sky2042> aha...
2008-05-14 16:42 < Mole2> Oh, that one was a tricky image. It clearly can be used as fair use. But if it really can be GFDL...
2008-05-14 16:43 < Mole2> I live in Sweden and here it would be no problem to use that image for pretty much anything I think. But US copyright law is so screwed up. :(
2008-05-14 16:43 < Mahlzahn> IIRC, there are special copyright rules for 3D objects.
2008-05-14 16:44 < Mole2> Yeah, I seen examples where photos of comic book sharacter dolls or statues were used in their articles since those images were free.
2008-05-14 16:44 < Sky2042> Mole2: i think we need to blame the founding fathers for that problem... >.>
2008-05-14 16:44 < Mole2> So I guess that gamecube photo is free.
2008-05-14 16:44 < Mole2> Sky2042: Blame them? For not writing proper copyright laws that later judges and corporations could screw up? Nah, I don't think they could foresee what would happen.
2008-05-14 16:45 < Mole2> Its the current parliament that should be blamed.
2008-05-14 16:45 < Sky2042> Mole2: oh, they knew it would happen. -_-
2008-05-14 16:45 < Mahlzahn> the founding fathers knew nothing of copyright, did they?