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2008-05-11 01:34 * The359 is not going to survive
2008-05-11 01:34 < The359> jtizzle, as far as I know, the PS2 cables work on PS3
2008-05-11 01:34 < The359> since they have the same adapter
2008-05-11 01:35 < Lucifer_Cat> The359: i would say you have a pertty good chance if you choose the right alliances.
2008-05-11 01:35 < The359> I have no alliances
2008-05-11 01:36 < jtizzle> i thought the ps2 cable that plugs into the ps2 is a different size than the ps3
2008-05-11 01:36 < The359> no
2008-05-11 01:36 < The359> I just bought RGB cables for my PS3
2008-05-11 01:36 < The359> Sony made
2008-05-11 01:36 < The359> box says it works on PS2 or PS3
2008-05-11 01:36 < The359> so the port has to be the same
2008-05-11 01:37 < jtizzle> ok
2008-05-11 01:37 < jtizzle> RGB cables are they rca cables?
2008-05-11 01:38 < The359> no, they're the red/green/blue video cables
2008-05-11 01:38 < The359> with additional red/white audio cables just like RCA
2008-05-11 01:38 < jtizzle> i think their component cables
2008-05-11 01:38 < The359> yeah, I don't know
2008-05-11 01:38 < The359> I just remember them as red/green/blue
2008-05-11 01:38 < jtizzle> yeah that's component
2008-05-11 01:38 < jtizzle> cables
2008-05-11 01:41 < CatServ`> Werdna: ?
2008-05-11 01:41 * CatServ` pokes Werdna's +o
2008-05-11 01:42 < CatServ`> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-piglatin/ XD
2008-05-11 01:43 < jtizzle> Rca cables and the component cables have the same prong that you plug into the ps2 and ps3 so I think I can use my RF adapter for a PS3 that I might get
2008-05-11 01:44 < gwern> 'The one thing everyone wants to know is why the hell there is a strobe light in the toaster. When they ask, we simply smile and hand them the button. '
2008-05-11 01:44 < gwern> http://www.plasma2002.com/epb/
2008-05-11 01:45 < The359> sweet fuck
2008-05-11 01:46 < The359> how did I get laid to waste that quickly
2008-05-11 01:47 < The359> well that's pretty fucking lame
2008-05-11 01:48 < quanticle> The359: You want to talk about getting laid to waste - look at this http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2386655
2008-05-11 01:49 * The359 was still laid to waste
2008-05-11 01:49 < gwern> 'Grothendieck’s neighbors keep an eye on him, thwarting his occasional urges to eat nothing but dandelion soup, for example, and keeping Schneps and Lochak informed about his welfare.'
2008-05-11 01:50 < jtizzle> \does anyone know (probably someone that like technical things) if HDMI is better picture quality than component video??
2008-05-11 01:50 < Lucifer_Cat> heh, i thought this game looked familiar
2008-05-11 01:50 < gwern> mm, dandelion soup
2008-05-11 01:50 < CatServ`> The359: Go on pearl
2008-05-11 01:50 < quanticle> gwern: That button is AMAZING.
2008-05-11 01:50 < quanticle> gwern: I am inspired.
2008-05-11 01:51 < quanticle> gwern: That's the most amazing thing I've seen all month.
2008-05-11 01:51 < jtizzle> \does anyone know (probably someone that like technical things) if HDMI is better picture quality than component video??
2008-05-11 01:51 < gwern> 'Tchaikovsky didn't just have gay issues. He was romantically attracted to his teenaged nephew, for whom he wrote Symphony No. 6 (arguably his finest work), and then he killed himself a few days after that symphony premiered. I think that's a little bit crazier than 'gay issues'.'
2008-05-11 01:51 < The359> I believe HDMI is the only way you can reach 1080p, jtizzle
2008-05-11 01:51 < gwern> quanticle: amazingly expensive
2008-05-11 01:51 < gwern> 30 dollars?
2008-05-11 01:51 < The359> with the PS3
2008-05-11 01:51 < The359> Componant is only 1080i
2008-05-11 01:51 < quanticle> jtizzle: Yes. HDMI is better than Component.
2008-05-11 01:52 < quanticle> gwern: What's also amazing is the way he's got all that stuff camoflaged.
2008-05-11 01:52 < jtizzle> ok
2008-05-11 01:52 * The359 is dead, but I can take down quanticle's oil for a moment
2008-05-11 01:53 < gwern> only on reddit do you see someone react to the dandeloin soup bit like thus: 'They are packed with vitamins and minerals. One cup of cooked dandelion greens has more calcium than a cup of cottage cheese but only 34 calories. It provides 12% of the fiber, 19% of the iron and 28% of the Vitamin C that (averaging for adults and children) the USDA suggests that we get in our diets each day. Dandelion provides more vitamin A than an equal amount of kale, colla
2008-05-11 01:53 < gwern> 'The one cup serving also contains 2.1 grams of protein, many minerals including potassium, magnesium and phosphorous as well as vitamin E, thiamin, riboflavin, B-6 and folate.'
2008-05-11 01:53 < The359> Messedrocker, Pearl
2008-05-11 01:55 < quanticle> gwern: Only $630 odd dollars. I mean, that's about the price of a computer.
2008-05-11 01:56 < gwern> quanticle: curse those people with girlfriends and crazy dreams
2008-05-11 01:56 < jtizzle> why do people say a number 30 40 50 they say 30 odd dollars when 30 40 50 is even?
2008-05-11 01:57 < quanticle> gwern: Also, note that he outfitted more than one room. If I were to do this for my bedroom, it'd be a lot less, since I would only require two or so X10 modules.
2008-05-11 01:58 < quanticle> jtizzle: Well, according to his breakdown the total cost was $634, so I rounded it to 630 for convenience, and added the "odd" to make it clear that I was rounding.
2008-05-11 01:58 < The359> quanticle, Pearl
2008-05-11 01:58 < ocee> oi
2008-05-11 01:58 < ocee> bit of help?
2008-05-11 01:58 < ocee> anyone an admin on en.wiki?
2008-05-11 01:58 < yao_ziyua1> c-cpan is broadcasting a retired soviet KGB major general's talk in an american institute
2008-05-11 01:59 < Soxred93> Not me.
2008-05-11 01:59 < yao_ziyua1> and he speaks good english
2008-05-11 01:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: move on senate
2008-05-11 01:59 < jtizzle> but 630 is even
2008-05-11 01:59 < ocee> Messedrocker:
2008-05-11 01:59 < quanticle> Anyway.
2008-05-11 01:59 < jtizzle> ??
2008-05-11 01:59 < yao_ziyua1> it seems russia has now very close to america
2008-05-11 01:59 < ocee> hey
2008-05-11 01:59 < quanticle> I'm off to bed.
2008-05-11 01:59 < ocee> how do i invite myself to en-admins?
2008-05-11 01:59 < yao_ziyua1> even secret tycoons can give speeches in america
2008-05-11 01:59 < Messedrocker> ocee!!!!!
2008-05-11 02:00 < quanticle> jtizzle: 630-odd means that the figure is not exactly 630, but approximately so.
2008-05-11 02:00 < jtizzle> ok
2008-05-11 02:00 < ocee> messedrocker, i can't for the life of me figure it out
2008-05-11 02:00 < yao_ziyua1> rtsp://rx-wes-sea29.rbn.com/farm/pull/tx-rbn-sea005:2459/farm/cspan/g2cspan/live/cspan1-g2.rm
2008-05-11 02:00 < Messedrocker> try /cs invite #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-05-11 02:00 < ocee> granted, i'm half in the bag
2008-05-11 02:00 < ocee> yeah i tried that
2008-05-11 02:00 < jtizzle> like i'm 23 odd years old i'm really 24 is that a good example?
2008-05-11 02:01 < ocee> actually, that worked haha
2008-05-11 02:01 < ocee> cheers mate
2008-05-11 02:01 < Lucifer_Cat> WHAT IS LOVE!!!! BABY DONT HURT ME DONT HURT ME NO MORE....
2008-05-11 02:01 < jtizzle> ??
2008-05-11 02:01 * Lucifer_Cat what is love move
2008-05-11 02:01 < Moro55> xD
2008-05-11 02:02 < jtizzle> is that a good example?
2008-05-11 02:03 < Lucifer_Cat> i'd totally get that button in a few months if i had real friends
2008-05-11 02:03 < ocee> no moh
2008-05-11 02:03 < ocee> haha
2008-05-11 02:04 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle|away: move
2008-05-11 02:04 < Lucifer_Cat> dammit
2008-05-11 02:04 < Lucifer_Cat> is he gone for the night?
2008-05-11 02:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=429
2008-05-11 02:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> oh lawd
2008-05-11 02:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> this is... disturbing
2008-05-11 02:10 < Lucifer_Cat> " In a world [...] where I am expected to sell away my life at work in order to get the money to pay for the minimum I need to survive"
2008-05-11 02:11 < Lucifer_Cat> heh... all i can say is these...
2008-05-11 02:11 < Lucifer_Cat> 1. Hes either a worthless loafer who somehow thinks that he is entitled to whatever he wants..
2008-05-11 02:13 < Lucifer_Cat> 2. His idea of a "bare minimum" is really damned high, and he really is the kind of person "big corps" survive on.
2008-05-11 02:13 < Lucifer_Cat> 3. 1 and 2.
2008-05-11 02:13 < Messedrocker> 4. All of the above
2008-05-11 02:13 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: redundant. just like your existance.
2008-05-11 02:14 < Lucifer_Cat> but seriously, sometimes i really suspect the big corps arent that bad as they are made out to be.
2008-05-11 02:15 < Messedrocker> there are some big corps which have done evil things
2008-05-11 02:15 < Messedrocker> though many of them managed to become big because they managed to do business really well
2008-05-11 02:16 < Lucifer_Cat> and the whole "they put local businesses out of running by selling cheaper goods" is bullshit argument. suck it up losers, your defeat does not make them evil.
2008-05-11 02:17 < Messedrocker> the trick for local business is to specialize
2008-05-11 02:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> lol
2008-05-11 02:17 < Messedrocker> people are going to go to walmart for cheap stuff
2008-05-11 02:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> I shoplift because I'm a slimy piece of shit
2008-05-11 02:17 < Lucifer_Cat> "Supermarkets know they can charge me a dollar for bread because I will starve if I do not buy it from them; they know they can't charge me four dollars, because I will go somewhere else. So our interaction revolves around unspoken threats, rather than love"
2008-05-11 02:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> * slimy, dishonest bastard
2008-05-11 02:17 < Messedrocker> people will go to a local business for an expert to give them advice on which cheese goes best with a 1998 Pinot Noir
2008-05-11 02:18 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Messedrocker: lol, free
2008-05-11 02:18 < Lucifer_Cat> duh. you expect them to give it for free? and btw, can someone give him an economics 101
2008-05-11 02:18 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: true.
2008-05-11 02:18 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Actually, her
2008-05-11 02:18 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: explains a lot.
2008-05-11 02:18 < Ziggy_Sawdust> uses female pronouns throughout the piece
2008-05-11 02:18 < Ziggy_Sawdust> :P
2008-05-11 02:19 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Sexism? In /my/ Wikipedia?
2008-05-11 02:19 < Messedrocker> ooh, let's use sexist slurs now!
2008-05-11 02:19 * Ziggy_Sawdust It's more likely than you think.
2008-05-11 02:20 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: well just like guys are proven to think more about sex and watch more porn, women form a greater % of kleptomaniacs
2008-05-11 02:20 < Messedrocker> men are more wont to be sexmongerers because of testosterone
2008-05-11 02:20 < Messedrocker> how do you explain the alleged prevalence of kleptomania in women?
2008-05-11 02:20 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: /I/ cant.
2008-05-11 02:21 < AdamBishop> estrogen?
2008-05-11 02:21 < Lucifer_Cat> also, just like guys are a lot less prone to go shoe shopping
2008-05-11 02:21 < Lucifer_Cat> most of them that is
2008-05-11 02:21 < CatServ`> quanticle|away The359 Lucifer_Cat Messedrocker: I found out why Messedrocker and The359 couldn't join our team game
2008-05-11 02:21 < Lucifer_Cat> why
2008-05-11 02:22 < Messedrocker> y
2008-05-11 02:22 < Lucifer_Cat> its not for unranked riffraff
2008-05-11 02:22 < CatServ`> quanticle|away The359 Lucifer_Cat Messedrocker: They were unranked (new recruits)
2008-05-11 02:23 * Lucifer_Cat elevates CatServ` from "private fac't to "captian obvious"
2008-05-11 02:23 < CatServ`> XD
2008-05-11 02:24 * Lucifer_Cat curls up at CatServ` s feet
2008-05-11 02:24 < CatServ`> :|
2008-05-11 02:24 * Lucifer_Cat stretches
2008-05-11 02:26 < Lucifer_Cat> lizzy!
2008-05-11 02:27 < ocee> oi Lucifer_Cat
2008-05-11 02:27 < ocee> what's the etomology of your name, mate?
2008-05-11 02:27 < ocee> your irc name, that is
2008-05-11 02:28 < Lucifer_Cat> Lucifer and Cat
2008-05-11 02:28 < Lucifer_Cat> Cat is a common last name on #wikipedia
2008-05-11 02:29 < ocee> sure but what's the connection?
2008-05-11 02:29 < ocee> and dogs are better, btw
2008-05-11 02:29 < ocee> just wanted to throw that out there
2008-05-11 02:29 < Lucifer_Cat> between lucifer and cat?
2008-05-11 02:29 < Lucifer_Cat> >(
2008-05-11 02:29 < Lucifer_Cat> >:(
2008-05-11 02:30 < Lucifer_Cat> dogs... are .... better?
2008-05-11 02:30 < ocee> :D
2008-05-11 02:30 < ocee> yeah mate, there's no debate
2008-05-11 02:30 < Lucifer_Cat> Death to the Infidel!!!!
2008-05-11 02:30 < ocee> hehe
2008-05-11 02:30 < Lucifer_Cat> take your dog sorcerey to some other channel
2008-05-11 02:31 < ocee> haha, fair enough fair enough
2008-05-11 02:31 < ocee> i know there's a big cat contigent on #wikipedia
2008-05-11 02:31 < ocee> personally though, i'm a dog fellow
2008-05-11 02:31 * Flo_1 suggests his cat to join this channel, too ;)
2008-05-11 02:31 < Lucifer_Cat> and Richards was way better than Bradman
2008-05-11 02:32 < Messedrocker> i think Cool_Cat/White_Cat started the fad
2008-05-11 02:32 < Lucifer_Cat> so is Murali better than Warne
2008-05-11 02:32 < Messedrocker> no
2008-05-11 02:32 < Messedrocker> Ceiling Cat started the fad
2008-05-11 02:32 < ocee> or raul with his ceiling cat business
2008-05-11 02:32 < ocee> haha exactly
2008-05-11 02:32 * Lucifer_Cat wonders if theres anyone who can make sense of last 2 statements
2008-05-11 02:32 < Lucifer_Cat> i walked in once and there were cats all around
2008-05-11 02:33 < Lucifer_Cat> and since i was babysitting my sisters cat, i thought lets go with it
2008-05-11 02:34 < Lucifer_Cat> i used to be LuciferTiger
2008-05-11 02:34 < ocee> why make the change?
2008-05-11 02:34 < ocee> seems like you demoted yourself
2008-05-11 02:34 < Lucifer_Cat> to fit in?
2008-05-11 02:34 < ocee> weakkkkkkkk
2008-05-11 02:34 < Lucifer_Cat> a tiger is still a cat.
2008-05-11 02:35 < ocee> nah
2008-05-11 02:35 < ocee> a tiger is a tiger
2008-05-11 02:35 < ocee> a cat is a cat
2008-05-11 02:35 < Lucifer_Cat> [[Tiger]] and [[Big Cats]]
2008-05-11 02:35 < ocee> haha
2008-05-11 02:35 < ocee> so says wikipedia
2008-05-11 02:35 < ocee> wikipedia = bs
2008-05-11 02:38 < Lucifer_Cat> again, >:(
2008-05-11 02:44 < Lucifer_Cat> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI
2008-05-11 03:00 < Mike_H> I am 709901146 seconds old. (22.49589 years old) - DOB 11-11-1985 @ 15:15
2008-05-11 03:00 < Mike_H> it's my half-birthday
2008-05-11 03:00 < Mike_H> buy me presents :D
2008-05-11 03:02 < Werdna> Mike_H: where did that come from?
2008-05-11 03:03 < Mike_H> Werdna: what?
2008-05-11 03:03 < Werdna> Mike_H: 06:40 < Mike_H> I am 709901146 seconds old. (22.49589 years old) - DOB 11-11-1985 @ 15:15
2008-05-11 03:03 < Mike_H> oh
2008-05-11 03:03 < Mike_H> it's a script
2008-05-11 03:03 < Werdna> lols
2008-05-11 03:03 < Mike_H> I just type in /age and it does it
2008-05-11 03:03 < Werdna> funn
2008-05-11 03:05 * Lucifer_Cat gives Mike_H half a present
2008-05-11 03:05 < Lucifer_Cat> its a top half of a poster of a nude dude
2008-05-11 03:06 < Mike_H> :o
2008-05-11 03:07 * pengo gives Mike_H Nude Dude Zoo Doo
2008-05-11 03:07 < pengo> it's elephant poo with a picture of half a nude dude on the packaging
2008-05-11 03:07 < Mike_H> :<
2008-05-11 03:08 < pengo> good for roses
2008-05-11 03:26 < I_am_Keegan> ...we ride tonight (ghost horses)...
2008-05-11 04:04 * CatServ` is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-11 04:56 < taotao> ΪʲôÖйú´ó½Éϲ»ÁËwiki
2008-05-11 04:57 < Fire> o_O
2008-05-11 05:34 < gribouille> hi
2008-05-11 05:35 < gribouille> how can I suppress a wikipedia page about someone who isn't famous enough ?
2008-05-11 05:38 < bumm13> which language of Wikipedia?
2008-05-11 05:38 < gribouille> fr
2008-05-11 05:39 < bumm13> are you an admin on fr: ?
2008-05-11 05:39 < gribouille> bumm13, no
2008-05-11 05:40 < bumm13> you should probably find an admin on fr:
2008-05-11 05:40 < bumm13> some may be in #wikipedia-fr
2008-05-11 05:40 < gribouille> ok
2008-05-11 05:40 < gribouille> thanks
2008-05-11 05:43 < bumm13> no problem :)
2008-05-11 06:11 < JessicaTaylor> Hi all
2008-05-11 06:31 < JessicaTaylor> Yeah...fine...be that way
2008-05-11 06:34 < Gambit> hey JessicaTaylor
2008-05-11 06:34 < JessicaTaylor> Hi Gambit
2008-05-11 07:44 < cimon> http://www.gazette.com/opinion/saturday_36183___article.html/site_hosts.html
2008-05-11 07:46 < cimon> "The picture is disgusting, exploitative and dangerous. It serves the interests of none other than pedophiles. It's a veritable assault on children by the leading encyclopedia. The legality of hosting it should be a minor consideration for Wikipedia administrators. Legal or not, it's harmful and wrong. They have a responsibility to do the right thing. If they don't, the public will once again question the value of unfettered free speech. Freedoms su
2008-05-11 07:47 < Sfan00> cimon: The crazies moaning about 'explicit' images again?
2008-05-11 07:48 < Kamping_Kaiser> looks like it
2008-05-11 07:49 < Sfan00> The First Ammendment is NOT about protecting free speech for the beneft of the religous right
2008-05-11 07:49 < Sfan00> It's about protecting the right of free speech FROM the religous right and those that would try to POV what Americans think
2008-05-11 07:49 < Sfan00> :)
2008-05-11 07:50 * Kamping_Kaiser takes it on trust "the first ammendment" is something important ;)
2008-05-11 07:51 < Sfan00> And Honestly I can't see the logic behind keeping a 'questionable' image...
2008-05-11 07:51 < Sfan00> If it's illegal then it should go
2008-05-11 07:51 < Sfan00> (And probably to be fair given the community, probably already has)
2008-05-11 07:52 < geniice> If it is illegal I'm sure mike godwin will tell us
2008-05-11 07:53 < Sfan00> BTW IS the claim of an FBI investigation genuine?
2008-05-11 07:53 < geniice> for a given value of investigation probably
2008-05-11 07:53 < Sfan00> Also if the image is of so much concern, why is the religous right not contacting Wikimedia directly? Rather than using 'slime' tactics
2008-05-11 07:53 < geniice> they are contacting wikimedia
2008-05-11 07:54 < geniice> I think we already a standard responce
2008-05-11 07:54 < Sfan00> WP:NOT Censored the protection of idiots?
2008-05-11 07:54 < geniice> I assume that WND has contacted the FBI which means that there will be at least a low level investigation
2008-05-11 07:55 < Sfan00> Also the view expressed in the linked article is that 'legality' should be a minor concern...
2008-05-11 07:55 < cimon> The one statement made about that image that I would dispute is that the girl in the picture looks like she is 10 years old...
2008-05-11 07:55 < Sfan00> Wikipedia takes it's legal responsiblites very seriously, and given the scarcity of OFFICE actions, issues like this don't normaly show up
2008-05-11 07:56 < dungodung> *its
2008-05-11 07:56 < Sfan00> Of course the image concerned should probably go...
2008-05-11 07:56 < cimon> Apart from her not having boobs yet, to me she looks way older than 10 years.
2008-05-11 07:56 < geniice> nope it's one of the few album covers we can actualy make a reasonable fair use case for
2008-05-11 07:56 < Sfan00> or be replaced with a "Removed due to Blackmail!" placeholder
2008-05-11 07:57 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-11 07:57 < cimon> geniice: yes, in fact the image is even discussed in the article, so clearly has relevance.
2008-05-11 07:57 < geniice> Sfan00 nope as and untill we get contacted by actual law inforcement (or just posibly the record company) we do nothing
2008-05-11 07:58 < Sfan00> geniice: Whats the specfic-URL of the problem image so that I can blacklist it?
2008-05-11 07:58 < geniice> cimon On the other hand news searches don't turn up much. Article in the washtington post back in 88 sun mentions it in 08
2008-05-11 07:58 < Sfan00> given that I am in the UK
2008-05-11 07:58 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Virgin_Killer.jpg
2008-05-11 07:59 < Sfan00> OK
2008-05-11 07:59 < Sfan00> Thanks
2008-05-11 07:59 < cimon> geniice: given that there was legal issues way back then, likely some legal archives will have something verifyiable on it
2008-05-11 07:59 < geniice> cimon I can't find any evidence there actual legal issues
2008-05-11 07:59 < cimon> 1976 or whatever
2008-05-11 08:00 < cimon> so it was just the US distributor on their own?
2008-05-11 08:00 < geniice> probably
2008-05-11 08:00 < Sfan00> BTW Isn't calling for a boycott of a site now considered 'terrorism' in the US?
2008-05-11 08:00 < geniice> Record stores probably refused to carry it
2008-05-11 08:00 < geniice> Sfan00 no
2008-05-11 08:00 < Sfan00> Because it's requesting a disruption to a service to achive a political end?
2008-05-11 08:01 < geniice> still no
2008-05-11 08:01 < Sfan00> So why is calling for people to stop buying Nestle products considered bad? whilst calling for a boycott of Wikipedia good?
2008-05-11 08:02 < geniice> oh and the kid is 14
2008-05-11 08:02 < Sfan00> So the image is still not legal
2008-05-11 08:02 < Sfan00> Which means it should go
2008-05-11 08:03 < Sfan00> The gazzete article states that the band was German?
2008-05-11 08:04 < Sfan00> (Was the image banned in Germany?)
2008-05-11 08:04 < geniice> no
2008-05-11 08:04 < geniice> I can't find any evidence the image was banned anywhere ever
2008-05-11 08:04 < Sfan00> Other than the US
2008-05-11 08:05 < geniice> can't find any hard evidence it was banned in the US
2008-05-11 08:06 < Sfan00> geniice: Come on! There must be a court order or edict SOMEWHERE!
2008-05-11 08:06 < geniice> "their 1976 album Virgin Killer depicted a nude fourteen-year-old girl with a shattered pane of glass over her pubescent pubic delta— and was" Sound of the beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal
2008-05-11 08:06 < Sfan00> geniice: Question: Does the article actually need the controversial image?
2008-05-11 08:06 < geniice> Sfan00 nothing. The banned in the US meme appears to be a pretty recent creation.
2008-05-11 08:07 < geniice> The image is need rather more than most of our album covers
2008-05-11 08:07 < Sfan00> Because it's not possible to explain WHY it is contrversial without reference to it?
2008-05-11 08:08 < Sfan00> I would hope it's on the restricted list as well
2008-05-11 08:08 < geniice> "A member of the Child Safety Partnership wrote officials of RCA/Ariola Records concerning a disturbing jacket on the album "Virgin Killer" by the Scorpions." President's Child Safety Partnership: A Report to the President
2008-05-11 08:08 < geniice> still nothing about legal action
2008-05-11 08:09 < Sfan00> So the claim that it's banned is spurious?
2008-05-11 08:09 < geniice> probably
2008-05-11 08:10 < geniice> US gov certianly knew about it I've run across refs in a couple of gov reports but nothing about legal action
2008-05-11 08:10 < Sfan00> Even so, if it's not clearly provable that the model was over 18/21 then I would support removal of the image.
2008-05-11 08:11 < Sfan00> Presumably someone's asked the WnD and others complaining for a list of images they consider unacceptable?
2008-05-11 08:11 < Sfan00> (along with a justifcation)
2008-05-11 08:12 < Sfan00> I.E The 'moral' equivlant of a DCMA notice?
2008-05-11 08:12 < geniice> no they are a news organisation I doubt they would do that kind of research
2008-05-11 08:13 < Sfan00> So they are in effect moaning about non-specific images (barring one) with the aim of encouraging political actions against an otherwise lawfully operating service provider?
2008-05-11 08:13 < Sfan00> *political or judicial
2008-05-11 08:14 < Sfan00> The Best compromise would be to 'placeholder' the image
2008-05-11 08:14 < Sfan00> and remove the controversial one...
2008-05-11 08:15 < Leslie_S> i ate too much continental breakfast this morning :(
2008-05-11 08:16 < Sfan00> I.E Replace the controversial image with one saying " Image removed due to Legal threat! - Please see Chilling Effects for more details .."
2008-05-11 08:16 < geniice> nope no legal threats so far
2008-05-11 08:16 < Sfan00> Well the image needs placeholdering...
2008-05-11 08:16 < Sfan00> Any admins?
2008-05-11 08:16 < geniice> and most of the others can be guessed
2008-05-11 08:16 < Aqwis> YAWN
2008-05-11 08:17 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 whats upwith this image?
2008-05-11 08:17 < Aqwis> Sfan00, yes
2008-05-11 08:17 < geniice> the image is going nowehere accept it
2008-05-11 08:17 < Leslie_S> can i see a link?
2008-05-11 08:17 < Aqwis> but i'm not going to placehodler it.
2008-05-11 08:17 < Aqwis> *holder
2008-05-11 08:17 < Sfan00> Aqwis: Given the controversial nature would it not be reasonable to replace it at least temporarily with " Removed due to moral pressue" type placeholder...
2008-05-11 08:18 < Aqwis> no, it would not
2008-05-11 08:18 < Aqwis> until we get sued to hell
2008-05-11 08:18 < Sfan00> Aqwis: Thats not being responsible
2008-05-11 08:18 < Aqwis> i am not responsible
2008-05-11 08:18 < Aqwis> deal with it
2008-05-11 08:19 < Aqwis> wikipedia shouldn't be responsible
2008-05-11 08:19 < Aqwis> wikipedia should create the most useful online encyclopaedia possible
2008-05-11 08:19 < Sfan00> Aqwis: So you think it's acceptable for Wikipedia to ignore US laws when Wikipedia goals conflict?
2008-05-11 08:19 < jimius> don't we just put on-line that which exists/happened? regardless of the controversy around it?
2008-05-11 08:19 < Aqwis> Sfan00, yes
2008-05-11 08:20 < Aqwis> also <geniice> I can't find any evidence the image was banned anywhere ever
2008-05-11 08:20 < Aqwis> ?
2008-05-11 08:20 < Sfan00> Aqwis: Your name has been reported...
2008-05-11 08:20 < Aqwis> ok
2008-05-11 08:20 < Aqwis> reported to who?
2008-05-11 08:20 < Sfan00> to the appropriate entities
2008-05-11 08:20 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-11 08:20 < Aqwis> lol!
2008-05-11 08:21 < geniice> we host pictures of lynchings we host pictures of mohamed. we host images of tank man. When it comes to not censored we are not kidding
2008-05-11 08:21 < Sfan00> geniice: That's ture
2008-05-11 08:21 < Sfan00> but Wikipedia aims to respect US laws...
2008-05-11 08:21 < geniice> Aqwis while people keep claiming the image was banned I can find no hard evidence that this was the case
2008-05-11 08:21 < Sfan00> (at least in principle)
2008-05-11 08:21 < Aqwis> no, wikipedia does not "aim" to respect US laws
2008-05-11 08:22 < Aqwis> wikipedia "has to" respect US laws
2008-05-11 08:22 < geniice> may well be legal under US law
2008-05-11 08:22 < Aqwis> to avoid getting sued to hell
2008-05-11 08:22 < Aqwis> but when possible we should try circumventing the laws if necessary to improve Wikipedia
2008-05-11 08:23 < Sfan00> Aqwis: You are possibly on shaky ground here
2008-05-11 08:23 < Aqwis> ok
2008-05-11 08:24 < Werdna> Sfan00: I agree with Aqwis, actually.
2008-05-11 08:25 < Werdna> obviously we should avoid doing anything that opens us to prosecution
2008-05-11 08:25 < Werdna> but that's what Mike is for.
2008-05-11 08:25 < Aqwis> afk
2008-05-11 08:25 < Sfan00> Werdna: Removing a contrevisoal image does not establish liablitiy
2008-05-11 08:25 < Sfan00> or all others
2008-05-11 08:26 < Sfan00> (After all Images get nuked all the time for less minor issues like improper licensing)
2008-05-11 08:26 < NicDumZ> ahahah.
2008-05-11 08:26 < Werdna> we should be talking to Mike before making any decisions on that sort of thing.
2008-05-11 08:27 < geniice> As and when the FBI formaly contact us we take the image down and explain why
2008-05-11 08:27 < NicDumZ> Sfan00, could you seriously think that Freenode staff would remove access of someone saying "Wikipedia should 'circumvent' US laws in relation to censorship"
2008-05-11 08:27 < Sfan00> BTW Godwin has remained starangely quiet on this?
2008-05-11 08:28 < Sfan00> nicdumZ: To me it's no different from someone claiming Warez are acceptable for 'evaluation'
2008-05-11 08:28 < Sfan00> Something that's explictly barred in the terms of use
2008-05-11 08:29 < Starnestommy> there's a difference between talking about something and actually doing it
2008-05-11 08:30 < NicDumZ> *shrugs*
2008-05-11 08:33 < NicDumZ> Actually, what was Sfan00 complaining about ?
2008-05-11 08:35 < NicDumZ> (and I loved the "let's complain to #freenode to get #Wikipedia closed because they did not agree with me" part)
2008-05-11 08:38 < Aqwis> he's just notoriously paranoid
2008-05-11 08:48 < CharlotteWebb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Introduction_to_genetics
2008-05-11 08:48 < CharlotteWebb> hehehe
2008-05-11 08:48 < CharlotteWebb> how much you want to bet somebody responds with "WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS"
2008-05-11 08:48 < CharlotteWebb> i guess FAs can be crap
2008-05-11 08:50 < Aqwis> they are definitely not crap
2008-05-11 08:50 < CharlotteWebb> not that anyone would care as only deletionists have the energy to frequent AFD
2008-05-11 08:50 < Aqwis> pathetic
2008-05-11 08:50 < Aqwis> the only word for that.
2008-05-11 08:50 < Aqwis> the delete voters, i mean.
2008-05-11 08:51 < Leslie_S> I will not be returning to irc again.
2008-05-11 08:51 < Aqwis> oh?
2008-05-11 08:51 < CharlotteWebb> {{fact}}
2008-05-11 08:52 < geniice> CharlotteWebb the problem is that "Introduction to" articles are something of an odity and generaly go against the structure of an encyclopedia so if they are to exist they had better be darn good
2008-05-11 08:53 < geniice> otherwise we just end up splitting off effort from say genetics without gaining anything
2008-05-11 08:53 < Aqwis> who the heck cares about the structure of an encylopaedia
2008-05-11 08:53 < geniice> Aqwis people who use it
2008-05-11 08:53 < CharlotteWebb> it would be helpful in cases where the article is too long
2008-05-11 08:53 < CharlotteWebb> or the lead section too long
2008-05-11 08:53 < CharlotteWebb> maybe
2008-05-11 08:54 < Aqwis> if deleting an article makes Wikipedia worse, it should not be deleted period
2008-05-11 08:54 < CharlotteWebb> i don't really know enough about genetics to work on this
2008-05-11 08:54 < Aqwis> the Introduction to x articles are definitely useful, and thus should not be deleted
2008-05-11 08:55 < geniice> they are useful in some narrow cases
2008-05-11 08:55 < CharlotteWebb> unfortunately "useful" is on par with "othercrapexistsandisfeatured" in terms of arguments to avoid
2008-05-11 08:55 < geniice> introduction to genetics should be at [[genetics]]
2008-05-11 08:55 < Aqwis> no, they are useful for 90% of our readers who find [[Genetics]] an extremely complicated article
2008-05-11 08:55 < Aqwis> to read
2008-05-11 08:55 < CharlotteWebb> an essay with an obvious deletionist bias [[WP:ATA]]
2008-05-11 08:56 < Aqwis> if we were to merge them, the resulting article would be A) far too long and B) lacking important and useful information
2008-05-11 08:56 < Aqwis> CharlotteWebb, the "arguments to avoid" page is the largest pile of bullshit currently found in the Wikipedia: namespace
2008-05-11 08:57 < CharlotteWebb> see also [[WP:ATU]]
2008-05-11 08:57 < CharlotteWebb> somebody put a bloody humor tag on it but it is often too true to be funny
2008-05-11 08:59 < geniice> Aqwis our genetics article already suffers from oversimplifcation
2008-05-11 09:00 < Aqwis> then get rid of the oversimplification and keep the Introduction article
2008-05-11 09:00 < Aqwis> the middle-way is A) not useful for someone without any prior knowledge about the topic and B) not useful for those who do have prior knowledge
2008-05-11 09:01 < geniice> You forget the various articles on sub elements of genetics
2008-05-11 09:01 < geniice> The current genetics article drifts between GCSE level and a bit of A-level
2008-05-11 09:01 < Aqwis> let's see
2008-05-11 09:02 < Aqwis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_gene_expression
2008-05-11 09:02 < Aqwis> a horrible pile of jargon
2008-05-11 09:03 < geniice> well yes but the simplified version is "we don't really understand how this works" which doesn't make for a good article
2008-05-11 09:04 < Aqwis> i can't see why it would not be able to simplify it better than that
2008-05-11 09:04 < Aqwis> it's not like "Regulation of gene expression" would be a major part of an Introduction to Genetics article anyway
2008-05-11 09:04 < geniice> exactly
2008-05-11 09:05 < Aqwis> it -> one
2008-05-11 09:06 < geniice> so our genetics article serves as an introduction to genitics while the sub articles get onto the more complex stuff
2008-05-11 09:06 < geniice> [[Biaxial nematic]] is going to have to written assumeing quite a high level of background knowlage
2008-05-11 09:07 < Aqwis> the Genetics article might potentially be useful for someone at "GCSE level / A-level", but that excludes potentially 75% of WP's readers
2008-05-11 09:07 < Aqwis> you are welcome to try simplifying it even more, but i don't think the regular editors would be very happy
2008-05-11 09:08 < geniice> You are welcome to write a decent intoduction to genetics but untill then delete
2008-05-11 09:09 < geniice> I don't think our Liquid crysta article should say "Liquid crystals can be divided into thermotropic and lyotropic LCs. Thermotropic LCs exhibit a phase transition into the LC phase as temperature is changed, whereas lyotropic LCs exhibit phase transitions as a function of concentration of the mesogen in a solvent (typically water) as well as temperature" in the intro
2008-05-11 09:09 < geniice> I mean yes I know what that means but still
2008-05-11 09:11 < geniice> "Genetics is the study of the transmission of particular traits (known as phenotypes) through generations of organisms. These traits are known as genotypes, and are transmitted through a molecule of deoxyribonucleic acid."
2008-05-11 09:11 < geniice> is that really meant to be an introduction
2008-05-11 09:12 < Aqwis> should article quality really be grounds for deletion?
2008-05-11 09:13 < geniice> hmmm Web 4.0 - "Go outside and talk to people again"
2008-05-11 09:14 < geniice> in some cases
2008-05-11 09:15 < geniice> We do not want a large number of rotting introduction to articles
2008-05-11 09:15 < geniice> that is what portals for
2008-05-11 09:15 < geniice> that is what portals are for
2008-05-11 09:17 < Aqwis> why do we not want that? half of Wikipedia is the same quality as this article anyway
2008-05-11 09:17 < Aqwis> i can't see how a portal could potentially provide the same information as Introduction to Genetics
2008-05-11 09:18 < geniice> Normaly rotting articles don't impact other articles much introduction to articles risk pulling work away from the main article and give the main article an excuse to be written in extream technicalese
2008-05-11 09:19 < Aqwis> if it does "pull work away" it will improve
2008-05-11 09:19 < Aqwis> and i still think the main article *should* be written in technicalese
2008-05-11 09:20 < geniice> Why? why not instead have "general relitivity make complex"?
2008-05-11 09:20 < geniice> made complex
2008-05-11 09:21 < Aqwis> yes, why not
2008-05-11 09:21 < Aqwis> as long as we don't merger them
2008-05-11 09:21 < Aqwis> *merge
2008-05-11 09:23 < geniice> I think we call it Lorentz contraction
2008-05-11 09:24 < geniice> Ehrenfest paradox however is over simplified
2008-05-11 09:24 < Aqwis> brb
2008-05-11 09:26 < geniice> If you've gone to rotate a rigid disk at relitavistic speeds please video it
2008-05-11 09:29 < morwen> and stick it on youtube
2008-05-11 09:38 < geniice> no on wikipedia
2008-05-11 09:55 < Mike_H> YANGON, Myanmar - A Red Cross boat carrying rice and drinking water for cyclone victims sank Sunday, while the death toll jumped to more than 28,000 and aid groups warned of a humanitarian catastrophe.
2008-05-11 09:55 < Mike_H> Oh, great.
2008-05-11 09:55 < Mike_H> So the UN's aid was taken.
2008-05-11 09:55 < Mike_H> The Red Cross delivers aid
2008-05-11 09:55 < Mike_H> and now it's lost.
2008-05-11 09:56 < Lucifer_Cat> esteban!!
2008-05-11 09:56 < Lucifer_Cat> 28K?
2008-05-11 09:56 < Lucifer_Cat> wasnt it like 100K already?
2008-05-11 09:56 < geniice> Mike_H some of the red cross stuff is being alvaged
2008-05-11 09:58 < geniice> 100K was estimate based on level of damage shown by satilite pics
2008-05-11 10:10 < AwesomeGuy> ok this is weird, someone made edits to an article with my ip address
2008-05-11 10:10 < Aqwis> dynamic ip?
2008-05-11 10:10 < AwesomeGuy> how do I tell
2008-05-11 10:11 < AwesomeGuy> I'd rather have static :/
2008-05-11 10:14 < Lucifer_Cat> AwesomeGuy: not really, a dynamic one is better unless you want to run some sort of ip soecific service
2008-05-11 10:16 < AwesomeGuy> like a web server :/
2008-05-11 10:16 < AwesomeGuy> I have a web server but it only runs if I boot to debian
2008-05-11 10:16 < AwesomeGuy> I'm on win right now
2008-05-11 10:23 < Lucifer_Cat> use a DynDns in that case
2008-05-11 10:23 < Lucifer_Cat> or no-ip
2008-05-11 10:29 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: there?
2008-05-11 10:29 < Lucifer_Cat> or anyone who knows his notability stuff
2008-05-11 10:32 < JessicaTaylor> Bye bye everyone
2008-05-11 10:33 < AwesomeGuy> what's DynDns?
2008-05-11 10:33 < AwesomeGuy> is it free?
2008-05-11 10:34 < eth01> hmmm
2008-05-11 10:34 < eth01> it's provides a free dynamic DNS service to those with dynamic IP addresses?
2008-05-11 10:35 < Lucifer_Cat> eth01: wow. read what you just said again.
2008-05-11 10:35 < Lucifer_Cat> AwesomeGuy: it willl give you a url string, which will translate to your IP address.
2008-05-11 10:36 < eth01> Lucifer_Cat: sounds iffy, but it's fine.
2008-05-11 10:36 < Lucifer_Cat> you have to run a small service/daemon on your machine which will update your IP on their server when it changes.
2008-05-11 10:37 < eth01> you may want to consider this though...
2008-05-11 10:37 < eth01> DynDns is a *free* service, and it *does* oversell so to speak.
2008-05-11 10:38 < Lucifer_Cat> thankfully most of the hostnames are not in use/very very low traffic volume
2008-05-11 10:38 < eth01> you'll experience latency and their downtime is shambles.
2008-05-11 10:38 < eth01> Lucifer_Cat: oh. you have access to their statistics?
2008-05-11 10:38 < Lucifer_Cat> also, if you have any sort of regular traffic which you value, you really shouldnt be running it off your home box anyways.
2008-05-11 10:40 < AwesomeGuy> meh nvm then
2008-05-11 10:40 < Lucifer_Cat> eth01: thats the way it is with most of these services. I dont need to have stats to figure that out. remember blogs? the same thing (and i actually did see stats for them once) and before that, the ICQ users and before that something else
2008-05-11 10:40 < eth01> heh
2008-05-11 10:40 < eth01> yawn.
2008-05-11 10:42 < Lucifer_Cat> ofcourse. i knew you'd do that. if you *knew* i was wrong, you would have jumped out on it. you know i am right. you just wont admit it. thats ok, that puts you in with 95% humans.
2008-05-11 10:42 < eth01> no, it has nothing to do with that.
2008-05-11 10:42 < eth01> you can't say something like that, without solid evidence.
2008-05-11 10:43 < eth01> quote? backing up what you say?
2008-05-11 10:44 < Lucifer_Cat> fine. bring up your stats for what you said.
2008-05-11 10:44 < kim_bruning> #wikipedia-en-lectures ... lectures in 15 minutes
2008-05-11 10:44 < AwesomeGuy> how much would a real webserver cost to have..
2008-05-11 10:44 < Lucifer_Cat> AwesomeGuy: you dont need to go out and buy one! :P
2008-05-11 10:44 < Lucifer_Cat> what do you wanna host?
2008-05-11 10:44 < eth01> depends really..
2008-05-11 10:44 < kim_bruning> AwesomeGuy, totally depends. ... ;-)
2008-05-11 10:44 < AwesomeGuy> website I guess
2008-05-11 10:45 < AwesomeGuy> website/ftp
2008-05-11 10:45 < Lucifer_Cat> what kind of it
2008-05-11 10:45 < kim_bruning> AwesomeGuy, anything from for free to thousands of dollars
2008-05-11 10:45 < eth01> shared hosting and a domain. $4 at least.
2008-05-11 10:45 < Lucifer_Cat> running on what platform
2008-05-11 10:45 < Lucifer_Cat> also, ftp = security nightmare
2008-05-11 10:45 < AwesomeGuy> unix, that's what everyone uses
2008-05-11 10:46 < eth01> no, linux actually.
2008-05-11 10:46 < AwesomeGuy> linux w/e
2008-05-11 10:46 < Lucifer_Cat> sorry, i meant if you were serving up a webapp, what framework it would use...
2008-05-11 10:46 < eth01> centos, redhat, ubuntu, gentoo, debian.
2008-05-11 10:46 < Lucifer_Cat> JSP-Servlet or something with Perl-PHP
2008-05-11 10:46 < AwesomeGuy> apache i guess
2008-05-11 10:46 < AwesomeGuy> apache sounds good
2008-05-11 10:47 < AwesomeGuy> I use apache on debian already, it works good
2008-05-11 10:49 < AwesomeGuy> how would I go about having my own dns name, like awesomeguy.com
2008-05-11 10:52 < kim_bruning> AwesomeGuy, get a dns name from a dns provider
2008-05-11 10:53 < AwesomeGuy> how much does that cost
2008-05-11 10:53 < AwesomeGuy> meh I don't need to do that
2008-05-11 10:54 < AwesomeGuy> I just use my comp as a ftp server so I can get my files from anywhere, and my IP won't change if I don't reset the modem
2008-05-11 10:54 < quanticle> AwesomeGuy: http://www.dyndns.org
2008-05-11 10:55 < quanticle> AwesomeGuy: The nice thing about DynDNS is that they've got a utility (for both Windows and Linux) that automatically notifies them of IP address changes so your dynamic DNS updates automatically.
2008-05-11 10:55 < quanticle> Oh. He left.
2008-05-11 11:04 * gwern reads [[â–²]]
2008-05-11 11:07 < Leslie_S> my roommates are fucking idiots
2008-05-11 11:07 < Leslie_S> :(
2008-05-11 11:07 < Leslie_S> im gonna move out after the summer
2008-05-11 11:09 < gwern> srsly Leslie_S get a blog
2008-05-11 11:09 < Aqwis> i thought you said you weren't going to come back.
2008-05-11 11:12 < quanticle> gwern: Is that even a valid character?
2008-05-11 11:12 * quanticle wonders how gwern gets the triangle
2008-05-11 11:13 < gwern> quanticle: it's a honest to god page
2008-05-11 11:13 * gwern reflects that people don't understand unicode. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
2008-05-11 11:15 < quanticle> I seen no reason that [[â–²]] ought to be deleted.
2008-05-11 11:16 < quanticle> "What made Gordon Brown a great Chancellor of the Exchequer is exactly what makes him an awful PM; the man has the charisma of ground carp." <-- So true.
2008-05-11 11:17 < CharlotteWebb> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NN&diff=211670536&oldid=210308041
2008-05-11 11:17 < quanticle> I never understood why Gordon Brown was next in line for the Prime Ministership. I mean it would be rather like us having Larry Summers or Robert Rubin run for President.
2008-05-11 11:17 < gwern> 'Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.
2008-05-11 11:17 < gwern> This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to usin
2008-05-11 11:18 < gwern> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
2008-05-11 11:18 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: senate
2008-05-11 11:19 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: you have 2 of them now?
2008-05-11 11:21 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: Senate
2008-05-11 11:21 < Lycurgus> funny the unicode thing is being or was being discussed in the german channel
2008-05-11 11:22 < eth01> Gordon Brown, hah.
2008-05-11 11:22 < Lycurgus> my sense is that perhaps someone had become dispirited and/or negative about the speed with which unicode support is advancing in wm/wp
2008-05-11 11:22 < eth01> I saw him when Gordon Ramsey recived his OBE.
2008-05-11 11:22 < eth01> recieved, even
2008-05-11 11:23 < Lycurgus> received is correct
2008-05-11 11:23 < eth01> thanks.
2008-05-11 11:23 * eth01 wonders if he should take some ProPlus :P
2008-05-11 11:23 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-05-11 11:24 < quanticle> Yeah yeah, I'm moving.
2008-05-11 11:24 < quanticle> Sheesh.
2008-05-11 11:24 * quanticle hands Lucifer_Cat some Valium
2008-05-11 11:24 < Lucifer_Cat> i prefer vicodin
2008-05-11 11:24 < AwesomeGuy> I've been trying to find a freeware program to make my own font with, but I can't find one on google anywhere. anyone know of one
2008-05-11 11:25 < Lucifer_Cat> also, does "JSpider" deserve to be on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler#Open-source_crawlers
2008-05-11 11:25 < Lucifer_Cat> it sounds like a typical Java thingy...
2008-05-11 11:26 < eth01> valium? :/
2008-05-11 11:26 < Lucifer_Cat> but the site opens up irritating popups... the DL is off sourceforge and their "Developers documentation" is supposed to be "coming soon"
2008-05-11 11:26 < eth01> oh dear god.
2008-05-11 11:26 < Lucifer_Cat> [[valium]]
2008-05-11 11:26 < eth01> diazepam, actually..
2008-05-11 11:28 < eth01> benzodiazepines are a cult, anyhow.
2008-05-11 11:28 < jimius> odd nobody spotted it yet
2008-05-11 11:28 < jimius> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=209063556#Features
2008-05-11 11:29 < jimius> nvm, old version
2008-05-11 11:29 < eth01> almost placebo in my opinion
2008-05-11 11:29 < Aqwis> wikifiable
2008-05-11 11:29 < Aqwis> wrong channel
2008-05-11 11:30 < eth01> i'm sure it was.
2008-05-11 11:30 < Lucifer_Cat> jimius: without looking, im gonna guess its the "murders your wife" thing?
2008-05-11 11:30 < jimius> Lucifer_Cat. without answering, i'm gonnan guess it's pretty well known? :)
2008-05-11 11:31 < Lucifer_Cat> :)
2008-05-11 11:31 < eth01> Lucifer_Cat: if you don't mind me asking? are you a psychologist, or just obnoxious in general?
2008-05-11 11:31 < geniice> have to love OS featur sets
2008-05-11 11:31 < eth01> s/psychologist/psychiatrist et cetera?
2008-05-11 11:32 < Lucifer_Cat> eth01: i just know human nature. you, on the other hand i am willing to wager, are not that much. and also, given that you did not back up your own claims while asking others to do so, i would say you are pretty much a jerk too.
2008-05-11 11:33 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: All done on Perl and Senate
2008-05-11 11:33 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: like i care about prrrl
2008-05-11 11:33 < quanticle> Oh. Right.
2008-05-11 11:33 < quanticle> I forgot that you weren't in that game.
2008-05-11 11:34 < quanticle> But, yeah. I'm all done on Senate.
2008-05-11 11:34 < eth01> Lucifer_Cat: there was nothing that i needed "back up". it's called having a little "common sense"?
2008-05-11 11:34 < Lucifer_Cat> ofcourse. what you say is common sense, what i say needs numbers to back up. sure. lets roll with that.
2008-05-11 11:35 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: the only reason im not in that game is cuz you jumped the line. so dont rub it in.
2008-05-11 11:35 < Lucifer_Cat> XD
2008-05-11 11:35 < eth01> silly :)
2008-05-11 11:36 < quanticle> eth01: Also, a lot of "common sense" is dead wrong. I mean, it was "common sense" that stomach ulcers were caused by stress and acid, right up until some researchers actually investigated them and found that 90%+ were caused by bacterial infection.
2008-05-11 11:37 < quanticle> eth01: No rule saying the world has to be intuitive, is what I'm trying to say.
2008-05-11 11:38 < eth01> I think you're directing that at the wrong person, quanticle.
2008-05-11 11:39 < eth01> also, medical related stuff like that ^ ... should not be believed, without sufficient scientifical evidence as suggested.
2008-05-11 11:39 < quanticle> eth01: Well, you're the one falling back on "common sense".
2008-05-11 11:39 < eth01> that's common sense though, is it not?
2008-05-11 11:40 < eth01> or rather, you could be just gullable and a little thick around the ears ;)
2008-05-11 11:40 < Lucifer_Cat> he means /you/ used the "common sense" argument a little while before.
2008-05-11 11:40 < eth01> (which is definitely not my problem, but i can help)
2008-05-11 11:40 * Lucifer_Cat wonders if there were laws against "DisReason" in Soviet Russia.
2008-05-11 11:41 < quanticle> eth01: The bacteria is called H. Pylori, and my source is the NIH: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NN&diff=211670536&oldid=210308041
2008-05-11 11:41 < Lucifer_Cat> as a kid, i thought that given that they were all into science, they would have.
2008-05-11 11:41 < quanticle> eth01: Er, http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hpylori/#1
2008-05-11 11:41 < eth01> quanticle: I did spend 4 1/2 years at Manchester University?