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2008-05-09 21:50 < quanticle> Hmmm.
2008-05-09 21:50 * quanticle wonders why Flash would crash on 32-bit Linux.
2008-05-09 21:51 < bbot> Why not?
2008-05-09 21:51 < Krimpet> Skype doesn't like to work with pulseaudio, and Flash crashes on me half the time ever since I upgraded to hardy. :p
2008-05-09 21:51 < uberpenguin> Krimpet: adobe's flash player is horribly unstable; it's not just you
2008-05-09 21:52 < quanticle> Krimpet: Ah. I didn't realize you were using PulseAudio. Yeah. PA has a lot of issues. I don't know why Hardy Heron included PulseAudio enabled when there were so many issues with PulseAudio on other distros, such as Fedora.
2008-05-09 21:52 < uberpenguin> pulseaudio is a travesty
2008-05-09 21:52 < uberpenguin> reminds me of when Red Hat first switched to ALSA
2008-05-09 21:52 < uberpenguin> took two or three versions before things worked okay
2008-05-09 21:53 < uberpenguin> what's even better is that in true open-source style, some of the distro managers who are in charge of PA are total jerks about complaints
2008-05-09 21:53 < uberpenguin> "well you should've tested the prerelease", etc
2008-05-09 21:54 * PHMan will work on editing
2008-05-09 21:54 < Krimpet> I considered disabling it, but it looks like it replaced esd, so it would mess up my GNOME sounds if I ripped it out. -_-
2008-05-09 21:55 < uberpenguin> it's impossible to disable
2008-05-09 21:55 < uberpenguin> I tried for a few hours
2008-05-09 21:55 < uberpenguin> the dependency trees have already taken root in it
2008-05-09 21:55 < Krimpet> damn.
2008-05-09 21:56 < uberpenguin> the jerk distro maintainers will scoff at your consternation and tell you to just disable it
2008-05-09 21:56 < uberpenguin> but... you can't
2008-05-09 21:56 < Krimpet> hardy also runs really hot and drains my battery hella fast. I prolly shouldn't have upgraded <_<
2008-05-09 21:56 * uberpenguin broods
2008-05-09 21:57 < CatServ`> :O
2008-05-09 21:57 < CatServ`> Data from Columbia's hard drive recovered: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SHUTTLE_RECOVERED_DATA?SITE=CTDAN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
2008-05-09 21:58 < Krimpet> Edwards attributes that to a lucky twist: The computer was running an ancient operating system, DOS, which does not scatter data all over drives as other approaches do.
2008-05-09 21:58 < Krimpet> good to see NASA sticks with the latest technology
2008-05-09 21:59 < uberpenguin> bhaha
2008-05-09 21:59 < quanticle> Yeah, PulseAudio is the reason I didn't upgrade to Fedora 8, but am waiting 'til Fedora 9.
2008-05-09 22:00 < quanticle> I wonder why Antibuddha even bothers trying.
2008-05-09 22:08 < Wall_Cat> http://www.wikisky.org/ - woah
2008-05-09 22:09 < Wall_Cat> it's like google earth for the UNIVERSE
2008-05-09 22:09 < DrSkullthumper> liek wow
2008-05-09 22:09 < Wall_Cat> oh hai thar
2008-05-09 22:09 < DrSkullthumper> hallo thar wall kat
2008-05-09 22:09 < CatServ`> :O
2008-05-09 22:10 < Conniving> Hai pplz.
2008-05-09 22:10 < CatServ`> hai Conniving
2008-05-09 22:10 * Doomguy twitches
2008-05-09 22:10 < DrSkullthumper> the topic in here - it's amusing
2008-05-09 22:10 < DrSkullthumper> IMPOSSIBLE
2008-05-09 22:10 < CatServ`> DrSkullthumper: heh
2008-05-09 22:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Hello Conniving
2008-05-09 22:10 < Conniving> lol hao u noe mah name?
2008-05-09 22:10 * Conniving snaps out of it.
2008-05-09 22:10 < Ceiling_Cat> DrSkullthumper - you're welcome
2008-05-09 22:11 < DrSkullthumper> Wall_Cat? Ceiling_Cat?
2008-05-09 22:11 < DrSkullthumper> Where's Floor_Cat?
2008-05-09 22:11 < Wall_Cat> hmm....
2008-05-09 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Floor_Feline is around here somewhere, methinks
2008-05-09 22:11 < Wall_Cat> that is a good question =.
2008-05-09 22:11 < Floor_Cat> Someone took the name.
2008-05-09 22:11 < Conniving> Big no no.
2008-05-09 22:11 < Wall_Cat> I always wondered who registerd ceiling cat
2008-05-09 22:12 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-05-09 22:12 * Therapist_Cat cuddles with Wall_Cat
2008-05-09 22:12 < Ceiling_Cat> RUN! IT'S A TRAP!
2008-05-09 22:12 < Wall_Cat> well yeah
2008-05-09 22:12 * NotAWiki is Floor_Cat
2008-05-09 22:12 < DrSkullthumper> Raul654? Why's that sound so familiar
2008-05-09 22:12 * NotAWiki is also Attic_Cat
2008-05-09 22:12 < Wall_Cat> I figured someone named the rapist cat was a trap
2008-05-09 22:12 < Wall_Cat> Raul654 picks the FA, doesn't he?
2008-05-09 22:12 < Therapist_Cat> http://wiki-elysium.blogspot.com/2008/03/irc.html
2008-05-09 22:12 * Messy_Cat is dirty
2008-05-09 22:12 < DrSkullthumper> Ahhh that'd be it!
2008-05-09 22:13 * Messy_Cat cleans himself
2008-05-09 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Wall_Cat - yes he does
2008-05-09 22:13 < Doomguy> Cats...
2008-05-09 22:13 < Therapist_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-05-09 22:13 < DrSkullthumper> Why doesn't it say ___ is now known as ____ in here?
2008-05-09 22:13 < CatServ`> MOAR KATZ!
2008-05-09 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> DrSkullthumper - we do have al ist
2008-05-09 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> a list*
2008-05-09 22:13 < arcimboldo_> Ouch , a rapist cat!
2008-05-09 22:13 < CatServ`> DrSkullthumper: You probably have conference mode on
2008-05-09 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_administrators/IRC_nicknames
2008-05-09 22:13 < DrSkullthumper> CatServ`: Unfortunately, I'm not sure what that means... it works on all other channels...
2008-05-09 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> DrSkullthumper - see that page
2008-05-09 22:14 < DrSkullthumper> Ceiling_Cat: Thanks, but that's not what I meant. I'm talking about when people change nicks in here
2008-05-09 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> DrSkullthumper - it does at the time you change your nick
2008-05-09 22:14 * Therapist_Cat nods
2008-05-09 22:14 < DrSkullthumper> Like there's no " Conniving is now known as Floor_Cat " you know?
2008-05-09 22:14 < Conniving> I saw one.
2008-05-09 22:14 < Therapist_Cat> [22:11] * Floor_Cat is now known as Conniving
2008-05-09 22:15 < DrSkullthumper> Therapist_Cat: So weird, I don't see it.
2008-05-09 22:15 < Walsh_Cat> GET IT????????
2008-05-09 22:15 < Therapist_Cat> perhaps your client is supresses them
2008-05-09 22:15 < Krimpet> DrSkullthumper: it's usually something in your client that disables those sorts of notices in channels with lots of people in it.
2008-05-09 22:15 < Therapist_Cat> supressing*
2008-05-09 22:15 < CatServ`> omgnickflood
2008-05-09 22:15 < Attic_Cat> ChatZilla sometimes enables conference mode
2008-05-09 22:15 < DrSkullthumper> How do I un-enable
2008-05-09 22:15 < Attic_Cat> I'm trying to figure that out as well
2008-05-09 22:15 < Gracenotes> Preferences
2008-05-09 22:15 < Walsh_Cat> Therapist_Cat, do you get my name
2008-05-09 22:15 < Therapist_Cat> John Walsh?
2008-05-09 22:16 < Walsh_Cat> no, "Walsh Cat"
2008-05-09 22:16 < Walsh_Cat> as in "Kat Walsh"
2008-05-09 22:16 < Therapist_Cat> Oh
2008-05-09 22:16 * DrSkullthumper fixes it
2008-05-09 22:16 * Therapist_Cat thought you were referring to [[John Walsh]]
2008-05-09 22:16 < Attic_Cat> Gracenotes cz doesn't have anything in prefs for disabling conference mode
2008-05-09 22:16 * Therapist_Cat heads up to the attic for some quality time with Attic_Cat
2008-05-09 22:16 < Walsh_Cat> no Therapist_Cat I am making a cleverer pun
2008-05-09 22:16 < CatServ`> Attic_Cat: Yes it does
2008-05-09 22:16 < Krimpet> America's Most Wanted Cats. tonight, the serial voyeur Ceiling Cat.
2008-05-09 22:16 < Gracenotes> it does. you need to search around
2008-05-09 22:17 < DrSkullthumper> Conference mode is quite annoying.
2008-05-09 22:17 * Ceiling_Cat nods @ Wall_Cat
2008-05-09 22:17 * Attic_Cat agrees
2008-05-09 22:17 < Ceiling_Cat> Walsh_Cat*
2008-05-09 22:17 < Gracenotes> or, on the tab you want to disable it, do /pref conference.limit 0
2008-05-09 22:17 < Wall_Cat> lol
2008-05-09 22:17 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-05-09 22:17 * Walsh_Cat walks up to Wall_Cat
2008-05-09 22:17 < Gracenotes> if you want to disable it on a network to that on the network, or globally do that in the *client* tab
2008-05-09 22:17 * Ceiling_Cat glues whiskers, fur, and a tail on Gracenotes_Cat
2008-05-09 22:17 < DrSkullthumper> Attic_Cat: ChatZilla -> Preferences -> Global settings -> Apperance tab -> Set conference mode limit to 0
2008-05-09 22:17 * Walsh_Cat rubs his head against Wall_Cat
2008-05-09 22:17 < Wall_Cat> ok ^_^
2008-05-09 22:18 < Gracenotes> or just /pref conference.limit 0, again
2008-05-09 22:18 < Attic_Cat> done
2008-05-09 22:18 < Gracenotes> in the client tab, accessible from /client
2008-05-09 22:18 < Gracenotes> meow.
2008-05-09 22:18 < Yamakiri> Hey, I installed tried 4 times to use the .ogg help youse (American English = Y'all) gave me earlier, and each time it failed... Any more help?
2008-05-09 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Yamakiri!
2008-05-09 22:19 < arcimboldo_> We should set a limit to the number of cats allowed in this channel at the same time.
2008-05-09 22:19 * Ceiling_Cat drops off the ceiling, facehuggles Yamakiri
2008-05-09 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Yamakiri - what operating system and media player are you using?
2008-05-09 22:19 * Walsh_Cat runs up to Ceiling_Cat and attacks him while he is on the ground
2008-05-09 22:19 < bumm13> help control the pet population! spay and neuter your pets!
2008-05-09 22:20 * Walsh_Cat bites Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-09 22:20 < Conniving> CATFIGHT.
2008-05-09 22:20 < Conniving> <3
2008-05-09 22:20 < quanticle> Yamakiri: Did you try playing the OGG files in an external program like VLC?
2008-05-09 22:20 < Yamakiri> I use Win XP and I think (but don't know) I'm using VLC
2008-05-09 22:20 < Yamakiri> but there was also something about Java
2008-05-09 22:20 * Therapist_Cat finishes up with Attic_Cat, drops out of th attic, drags Walsh_Cat off to a nice secluded alley for some quality time
2008-05-09 22:20 < bumm13> with the orange cone?
2008-05-09 22:20 < bumm13> VLC doesn't use Java
2008-05-09 22:20 < Yamakiri> yeah, orange cone
2008-05-09 22:20 * Walsh_Cat meows very loudly
2008-05-09 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> Doesn't VLC support ogg natively?
2008-05-09 22:21 * bumm13 slaps Walsh_Cat around a bit with a dog bone
2008-05-09 22:21 < quanticle> Yamakiri: Download the file to your hard drive. Open VLC separately and see if you can play the file.
2008-05-09 22:21 < Therapist_Cat> Walsh_Cat - http://wiki-elysium.blogspot.com/2008/03/irc.html
2008-05-09 22:21 < Yamakiri> but I did something with two software packages because VLC still let it crash
2008-05-09 22:21 < bumm13> open the "Messages" option on VLC if you can
2008-05-09 22:21 < bumm13> it's good for debugging media issues
2008-05-09 22:21 < Yamakiri> quanticle: sure
2008-05-09 22:22 < bumm13> (under View->Messages or Ctrl+M)
2008-05-09 22:22 < quanticle> Therapist_Cat: NotACow is gone, by the way. She said that she would be taking an indefinite hiatus from all things Wikipedia related.
2008-05-09 22:22 < bumm13> quanticle: good for her mental health ;p
2008-05-09 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I figured, given her several-week absence from this channel
2008-05-09 22:23 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: She mentioned it on her blog.
2008-05-09 22:23 < quanticle> bumm13: I'm not begrudging her her sanity.
2008-05-09 22:23 < Yamakiri> It does <i>something</i> but only for a second and there's no sound
2008-05-09 22:23 < bumm13> Yamakiri: that's odd
2008-05-09 22:24 < quanticle> Yamakiri: What does VLC say in the "messages" tab?
2008-05-09 22:24 < Yamakiri> I've never been able to use VLC on either computer...
2008-05-09 22:24 < bumm13> have you tried Winamp?
2008-05-09 22:24 < Yamakiri> nothing
2008-05-09 22:24 < bumm13> sounds like an OS issue, perhaps
2008-05-09 22:24 < Yamakiri> not yet
2008-05-09 22:24 < bumm13> (specific to your installation)
2008-05-09 22:24 < quanticle> Yamakiri: Have you tried Winamp, or Media Player Classic
2008-05-09 22:25 < bumm13> I've never heard of this problem before
2008-05-09 22:25 < Yamakiri> no, I'll download winamp
2008-05-09 22:25 < quanticle> bumm13: Yeah. I've never had VLC just silently crash like that.
2008-05-09 22:25 < bumm13> VLC tends to be rather verbose
2008-05-09 22:25 < quanticle> Usually when VLC crashes, it does so loudly and painfuly.
2008-05-09 22:25 < bumm13> indeed
2008-05-09 22:25 < quanticle> *painfully
2008-05-09 22:25 < bumm13> that's why I like it for debugging media weirdo-ness
2008-05-09 22:26 * bumm13 can't wait for there to be an ffdshow filter/plugin deal for WMV 9 Advanced Profile (WVC1)
2008-05-09 22:26 < bumm13> as I've encountered a few things that require it ;p
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> oh! Something on VLC came up after another failed attempt main debug: creating new input thread
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: waiting for thread completion
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: thread 4020 (input) created at priority 1 (input/input.c:265)
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: drive letter C: found in source
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: `C:\Documents and Settings\JSLWalker\Desktop\test.ogg' gives access `' demux `' path `C:\Documents and Settings\JSLWalker\Desktop\test.ogg'
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: creating demux: access='' demux='' path='C:\Documents and Settings\[]\Desktop\test.ogg'
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: looking for access_demux module: 1 candidate
2008-05-09 22:27 < bumm13> slow down
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: creating access '' path='C:\Documents and Settings\[withheld]\Desktop\test.ogg'
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: looking for access2 module: 5 candidates
2008-05-09 22:27 < bumm13> please stop
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> vcd debug: trying .cue file: C:\Documents and Settings\[withheld]\Desktop\test.cue
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> vcd debug: could not find .cue file
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> access_file debug: opening file `C:\Documents and Settings\[withheld]\Desktop\test.ogg'
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: using access2 module "access_file"
2008-05-09 22:27 < Yamakiri> main debug: pre-buffering...
2008-05-09 22:28 < bumm13> please post in a private message or on a pastebin site
2008-05-09 22:28 < quanticle> bumm13: To be fair, you should have told him to use a pastebin beforehand
2008-05-09 22:28 < bumm13> sorry, I didn't think he'd do that
2008-05-09 22:29 < quanticle> Yamakiri: Drop the debug into a pastebin
2008-05-09 22:29 < Yamakiri> sorry...
2008-05-09 22:29 < bumm13> no malice intended
2008-05-09 22:29 < quanticle> Yamakiri: No offense taken.
2008-05-09 22:29 < Yamakiri> pastebin?
2008-05-09 22:29 < quanticle> http://pastebin.com/
2008-05-09 22:29 < bumm13> for things like what you just pasted ;)
2008-05-09 22:30 < quanticle> Yamakiri: drop the output into there and send us the link
2008-05-09 22:30 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Granville Liggins]] <-- the latest successful picture submission by email
2008-05-09 22:31 < Yamakiri> http://pastebin.com/m7d7676cb
2008-05-09 22:32 < quanticle> Huh, "garbage at input"...
2008-05-09 22:32 < quanticle> Yamakiri: What file are you trying to play?
2008-05-09 22:33 < bumm13> it seems the file may be broken in some manner
2008-05-09 22:33 < Yamakiri> I was using "test.ogg" which is the saved version of http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:17_KHz.ogg
2008-05-09 22:33 < bumm13> "ffmpeg debug: couldn't guess format"
2008-05-09 22:33 < bumm13> that seems problematic
2008-05-09 22:34 < atomicpotato> Yamakiri, looks like VLC failing in its usual way
2008-05-09 22:34 < bumm13> although...
2008-05-09 22:34 < quanticle> bumm13: "Garbage at input" seems even more problematic
2008-05-09 22:34 < bumm13> yeah
2008-05-09 22:35 < bumm13> it's 139k in size
2008-05-09 22:35 < atomicpotato> actually, the file is LULZ
2008-05-09 22:35 < atomicpotato> A: -0.2 (unknown) of inf (-24.-8) 0.5% <-- lol
2008-05-09 22:35 < bumm13> this file is broken
2008-05-09 22:36 < bumm13> it has no (noticeable) metadata at all
2008-05-09 22:36 < bumm13> and plays back nothing
2008-05-09 22:36 < bumm13> Yamakiri: it's the file, not your system ;)
2008-05-09 22:36 < quanticle> bumm13: Huh. Mplayer plays it just fine in Linux
2008-05-09 22:36 < Yamakiri> yeah!
2008-05-09 22:37 < bumm13> really???
2008-05-09 22:37 < atomicpotato> quanticle, it does? not here
2008-05-09 22:37 < quanticle> Yeah.
2008-05-09 22:37 < Krimpet> well, it's supposed to be that sound only teenagers can hear
2008-05-09 22:37 < atomicpotato> A: -0.2 (unknown) of inf (-24.-8) 0.5% <-- lol
2008-05-09 22:37 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Really? I get the 17khz tone
2008-05-09 22:37 < bumm13> ok, then they encoded it weird somehow
2008-05-09 22:37 * Krimpet is 19 and can't. too much rocking out I guess. :(
2008-05-09 22:37 < bumm13> my Winamp instance played nothing
2008-05-09 22:38 < quanticle> bumm13: Perhaps because its encoded in FLAC, not OGG Vorbis
2008-05-09 22:38 < atomicpotato> actually, on second thought, amarok via xine plays it
2008-05-09 22:38 < bumm13> oh, it's OGG/FLAC?
2008-05-09 22:38 < quanticle> bumm13: But VLC should have FLAC support too...
2008-05-09 22:38 < atomicpotato> quanticle, VLC FLAC is lolbroken
2008-05-09 22:38 < quanticle> Yeah, its OGG/FLAC
2008-05-09 22:38 < bumm13> perhaps not by default
2008-05-09 22:39 < bumm13> I think it's a bad idea to encode an .ogg with OGG/FLAC for Wikipedia sound samples
2008-05-09 22:39 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Ah. I didn't realize. I've been using mplayer on Linux for so long, I've lost track of VLC.
2008-05-09 22:39 < atomicpotato> oh, and MPlayer can't play it either
2008-05-09 22:39 < atomicpotato> only XINE \o/
2008-05-09 22:39 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Really? My mplayer plays it just fine.
2008-05-09 22:39 < bumm13> we're not really in the lossless sound business ;p
2008-05-09 22:39 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Then again, I've got a lot of 3rd party codecs for it.
2008-05-09 22:39 < atomicpotato> quanticle, mine errors out with a negative timestamp prolem
2008-05-09 22:40 < bumm13> I did get it to play in VLC
2008-05-09 22:40 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Perhaps a codec issue.
2008-05-09 22:40 < bumm13> probably
2008-05-09 22:40 < bumm13> but I still say that OGG/FLAC isn't a good idea for most Wikipedia .ogg files
2008-05-09 22:40 < atomicpotato> it's using ffflac. Hmm, maybe libflac is also a choice.
2008-05-09 22:40 < bumm13> when OGG/Vorbis is the norm
2008-05-09 22:41 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Strange. My mplayer is using ffflac too.
2008-05-09 22:41 < atomicpotato> ah well
2008-05-09 22:41 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Selected audio codec: [ffflac] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg FLAC audio decoder)
2008-05-09 22:41 < bumm13> Yamakiri: it's not your system, it's an encoding snafu :P
2008-05-09 22:41 < Krimpet> do WMF wikis accept files ending in .flac?
2008-05-09 22:41 < atomicpotato> btw: OGG sucks and so does Vorbis
2008-05-09 22:41 < Yamakiri> so...
2008-05-09 22:41 < bumm13> I doubt it
2008-05-09 22:41 < Yamakiri> that particular file doesn't work?
2008-05-09 22:41 < bumm13> Yamakiri: it works, but it's weird ;p
2008-05-09 22:42 < Yamakiri> I'll try another
2008-05-09 22:42 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Not really. Vorbis is a rather nice codec. Its just that no one supports it.
2008-05-09 22:42 < bumm13> but most don't use FLAC by default, either
2008-05-09 22:42 < atomicpotato> quanticle, no, Vorbis sucks. It can't do any channel coupling after 2.0
2008-05-09 22:42 < atomicpotato> and OGG is unarguable sucky.
2008-05-09 22:42 < quanticle> That's true. I don't like OGG.
2008-05-09 22:43 < Krimpet> unfortunately, it's probably the only realistic choice for WMF wikis
2008-05-09 22:43 < bumm13> right
2008-05-09 22:43 < bumm13> thing is, a program like Winamp supports Vorbis rather than (OGG) FLAC by default
2008-05-09 22:43 < Krimpet> anything better is either unfree, or even less supported than ogg <_<
2008-05-09 22:43 < bumm13> OGG/FLAC is a wrinkle in a quirk :x
2008-05-09 22:44 < atomicpotato> FLAC can be distributed as a raw bitstream and it'll still work
2008-05-09 22:44 < atomicpotato> no point putting it in something crappy like OGG
2008-05-09 22:44 < quanticle> Heh. I like the description of the file - 17khz "teenager tone"- encoded in FLAC for maximum quality
2008-05-09 22:44 < bumm13> FLAC is common enough, but not as part of the OGG container format
2008-05-09 22:44 < Yamakiri> apparently Winamp doesn't like the file either
2008-05-09 22:44 < quanticle> How much quality do you need for a constant 17Khz tone?
2008-05-09 22:45 < atomicpotato> <quanticle> Heh. I like the description of the file - 17khz "teenager tone"- encoded in FLAC for maximum quality <-- Vorbis is lossless too for a monotone sample
2008-05-09 22:45 < bumm13> Yamakiri: yeah, it's the FLAC part it doesn't like
2008-05-09 22:45 < Yamakiri> crappy Windows... Wish I had Mac
2008-05-09 22:45 < bumm13> quanticle: exactly
2008-05-09 22:45 < bumm13> no Yamakiri, it's not your system
2008-05-09 22:45 < bumm13> the encoding of the file is strange (choice-wise)
2008-05-09 22:45 < quanticle> Mac is no better when it comes to OGG support, anyway.
2008-05-09 22:45 < bumm13> nope
2008-05-09 22:45 < bumm13> OGG is highly associated with Linux/BSD
2008-05-09 22:45 < quanticle> I mean, I don't think iTunes supports OGG out of the box.
2008-05-09 22:46 < bumm13> probably not
2008-05-09 22:46 < atomicpotato> <quanticle> I mean, I don't think iTunes supports OGG out of the box. <-- iTunes does PCM, MP3, and AAC
2008-05-09 22:46 < bumm13> and most "quick install" Ogg support assumes Vorbis, not OGG/FLAC
2008-05-09 22:46 < quanticle> atomicpotato: It can't handle WMA?
2008-05-09 22:46 < atomicpotato> that's less formats number-wise than most Linux distros
2008-05-09 22:46 < atomicpotato> quanticle, not that I know
2008-05-09 22:47 < bumm13> so OGG/FLAC kind of creates headaches, especially for novices
2008-05-09 22:47 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Well, you have to be careful with that, since many Linux distros don't include support for nonfree codecs enabled by default.
2008-05-09 22:47 < Yamakiri> yay!!! At least other things like Image:Albanian numbers.ogg work
2008-05-09 22:47 < bumm13> it's like a Ferrari with snow tires
2008-05-09 22:47 < atomicpotato> quanticle, FLAC, Speeex, PCM, and Vorbis makes 4
2008-05-09 22:47 < atomicpotato> that's higher than 3
2008-05-09 22:47 < atomicpotato> :)
2008-05-09 22:47 < Yamakiri> why do we have .oogs as image files anyways?
2008-05-09 22:48 < quanticle> atomicpotato: I guess so.
2008-05-09 22:48 < bumm13> Yamakiri: yes, those probably use Ogg with Vorbis instead
2008-05-09 22:48 < atomicpotato> Yamakiri, no explicit support for media I suppose
2008-05-09 22:48 < quanticle> Yamakiri: Because people are dumb and don't use Media:<filename>
2008-05-09 22:48 < bumm13> the Ogg container format is for audio/video only, as far as I know
2008-05-09 22:48 < atomicpotato> or that
2008-05-09 22:48 < bumm13> Image:sound.ogg is a quirk of MediaWiki
2008-05-09 22:48 < atomicpotato> <bumm13> the Ogg container format is for audio/video only, as far as I know <-- according to [[ogg], the Xiph.org foundation defines a ".ogx" for "OGG Applications"
2008-05-09 22:48 < atomicpotato> lol @ ogg application. WTF?
2008-05-09 22:49 < quanticle> bumm13: I thought that MediaWiki supported Media:Sound.ogg as well...
2008-05-09 22:49 < bumm13> it might
2008-05-09 22:49 < bumm13> I really don't know for sure
2008-05-09 22:49 < Yamakiri> Thanks guys!!!
2008-05-09 22:49 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Well, it is a container.
2008-05-09 22:49 < bumm13> no problem
2008-05-09 22:49 < quanticle> Yamakiri: You're welcome.
2008-05-09 22:50 < quanticle> Well; that was satisfying.
2008-05-09 22:50 * quanticle feels like he's done his good deed for the day.
2008-05-09 22:50 * Ceiling_Cat gives quanticle a facehuggles
2008-05-09 22:51 < atomicpotato> hey cool, WINE is finally at 1.0
2008-05-09 22:51 < atomicpotato> \o/
2008-05-09 22:52 < quanticle> atomicpotato: Heh. That makes it, what, 10 years?
2008-05-09 22:53 < atomicpotato> quanticle, heh
2008-05-09 22:54 < chzz> gah
2008-05-09 22:56 < chzz> re. {{editprotected}} on virgin_killer : I'm almost perturbed! admin claims consensus not reached; clearly previous discussion reached consensus...if I now ask the many folk who voted for such a consensus to re-state their opinion I'll be accused of rigging the vote.
2008-05-09 23:05 < BoL> reconnecting...
2008-05-09 23:05 < quanticle> BoL, you're already connected to #wikipedia
2008-05-09 23:06 < BoL> I knkow
2008-05-09 23:06 < BoL> it's because my internet connection's screwed up
2008-05-09 23:07 < quanticle> Ah. DNS issues?
2008-05-09 23:07 < hardtodrink> "Gossiping about other wikipedians behind their backs is prohibited" - XD XD XD
2008-05-09 23:07 < quanticle> hardtodrink: Heh.
2008-05-09 23:09 < uberpenguin> DANCING IS PROHIBITED
2008-05-09 23:10 < hardtodrink> so i can't talk about #wikipedia's greats ops in other channels?
2008-05-09 23:10 < hardtodrink> XD
2008-05-09 23:11 * hardtodrink dances
2008-05-09 23:11 * quanticle dances
2008-05-09 23:11 < quanticle> o-|-<
2008-05-09 23:11 < quanticle> o-/-<
2008-05-09 23:11 < quanticle> o-|-<
2008-05-09 23:11 < quanticle> o-\-<
2008-05-09 23:12 < hardtodrink> quanticle: lol
2008-05-09 23:13 < Filll> hey
2008-05-09 23:13 < gwern> http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=BEAT-READING&Category_Code=SPDR <-- what a crazy shirt
2008-05-09 23:14 < hardtodrink> so I cant talk about how great an op quanticle is elsewhere? XD
2008-05-09 23:16 < quanticle> gwern: Even better shirt: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=3PS-QUID&Category_Code=3PS
2008-05-09 23:16 < quanticle> hardtodrink: No, not like that. You can't talk about Wikipedians behind their back on #wikipedia
2008-05-09 23:17 < hardtodrink> that dosent make any sense
2008-05-09 23:17 < hardtodrink> how is it talking about them behind their back if they are in that channel
2008-05-09 23:17 < gwern> quanticle: ? I don't get that shirt
2008-05-09 23:17 < quanticle> hardtodrink: Oddly enough, not all Wikipedians are in #wikipedia all the time.
2008-05-09 23:18 < quanticle> :)
2008-05-09 23:18 < hardtodrink> lol yea i guess lol
2008-05-09 23:18 < quanticle> gwern: I don't get it either, but Australian Indoor Rules Quiddich sounds a hell of a lot more fun than regular quiddich.
2008-05-09 23:19 < gwern> quidditch with random artillery firing from the ground wouldbe awesome
2008-05-09 23:19 < gwern> because two bludgers just aren't enough!
2008-05-09 23:23 < quanticle> gwern: Indeed. You know what else would be fun? Jousting on broomsticks.
2008-05-09 23:23 < gwern> brilliant
2008-05-09 23:23 < gwern> quanticle: you are an inspiration to us all
2008-05-09 23:28 < quanticle> gwern: Heh. My historian friend is doing his thesis on Middle Ages culture in Britain. He's got a good four or five pages on jousting alone.
2008-05-09 23:28 < Messedrocker> Who wishes to start a Conquer Club game with me?
2008-05-09 23:28 < quanticle> Messedrocker: I'm up
2008-05-09 23:29 < Messedrocker> Is anyone else up?
2008-05-09 23:29 < quanticle> gwern: Apparently, one common jousting-like pastime during the spring floods was to attach a shield to a floating log in the middle of a fast-flowing river, and then to get in a boat and "joust" with the log.
2008-05-09 23:30 < quanticle> And by joust, I mean let the stream propel you towards the log, while trying to simultaneously hit the shield, and avoid putting a hole in your boat.
2008-05-09 23:30 < gwern> I've heard that before
2008-05-09 23:30 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-05-09 23:31 * Lucifer_Cat huggles Krimpet
2008-05-09 23:31 * Krimpet infects Lucifer_Cat with cooties
2008-05-09 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> also laments about the declining quality of topics
2008-05-09 23:31 < Messedrocker> What is a throg, and why is there a bridge named after its neck?
2008-05-09 23:32 * Lucifer_Cat offers Krimpet crabs
2008-05-09 23:32 < Messedrocker> Anyone else up for a game of Conquer Quest?
2008-05-09 23:32 < Messedrocker> err
2008-05-09 23:32 < Messedrocker> Conquer Club
2008-05-09 23:32 < Krimpet> it's always summer at the shack. joe's crab shack.
2008-05-09 23:32 * Lucifer_Cat muzzles Messedrocker
2008-05-09 23:33 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Its your turn on the Greece map
2008-05-09 23:33 * Lucifer_Cat is going to play Axis and Allies with real people this weekend.
2008-05-09 23:33 < Messedrocker> ok, quanticle, it's going to be you, me, and two other people. sound good?
2008-05-09 23:33 < Lucifer_Cat> as compared to imaginary peeps
2008-05-09 23:33 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: can i?
2008-05-09 23:34 < Messedrocker> absolutely Lucifer_Cat. do you have a free spot?
2008-05-09 23:34 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Sounds good
2008-05-09 23:34 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: yes... but hold on.firefox is slow to startup
2008-05-09 23:34 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, would you be able to join now?
2008-05-09 23:34 < Messedrocker> ok
2008-05-09 23:34 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: in a min
2008-05-09 23:34 < Messedrocker> ping me when you are ready
2008-05-09 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: ready
2008-05-09 23:36 < Alkivar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQRtuxdfQHw <-- HOLY CRAP
2008-05-09 23:37 < Alkivar> you can finally put faces to all those famous voice over artists
2008-05-09 23:38 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: ...
2008-05-09 23:39 < Tesfan> lol nice
2008-05-09 23:39 < Lucifer_Cat> Al Quivar
2008-05-09 23:40 < Lucifer_Cat> MESSEDROCKER !!!!!!!111!!11one1one1one!
2008-05-09 23:40 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Its obviously Alkivar's evil terroristic twin.
2008-05-09 23:40 < Lucifer_Cat> atleast someone got it
2008-05-09 23:41 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Messedrocker is probably setting up the game as we speak.
2008-05-09 23:41 < Lucifer_Cat> heh, its not like he has to set up a real board :S
2008-05-09 23:42 < Messedrocker> sorry i was distractd
2008-05-09 23:42 < Messedrocker> i shall set up game now
2008-05-09 23:42 < Messedrocker> age of merchants
2008-05-09 23:42 < Messedrocker> is age of merchants good
2008-05-09 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> nooo
2008-05-09 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> its a headache of a map :P
2008-05-09 23:43 < Messedrocker> ok
2008-05-09 23:43 < Krimpet> Alkivar: haha, seems so weird to see those voices coming from actual people
2008-05-09 23:43 < Messedrocker> no age of merchants
2008-05-09 23:43 < bluefoxicy> I HAVE FOUND RAUL'S THEME SONG.
2008-05-09 23:43 * bluefoxicy is now listening to Alice Cooper - Dead Babies (live)
2008-05-09 23:44 < quanticle> bluefoxicy: "Dead Babies" is Raul'
2008-05-09 23:44 < quanticle> Raul's?
2008-05-09 23:44 < Lucifer_Cat> fug your enter key
2008-05-09 23:44 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Indeed.
2008-05-09 23:44 < Messedrocker> quanticle, Lucifer_Cat how about Ancient Greece?
2008-05-09 23:44 < Lucifer_Cat> sure
2008-05-09 23:44 < Lucifer_Cat> any map you want kiddo
2008-05-09 23:45 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Yeah. Ancient Greece is a nice small map - sure to have plenty of action right from the beginning.
2008-05-09 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> wait.. isnt that what we are playing?
2008-05-09 23:46 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Yeah. That's the game that you and I are playing.
2008-05-09 23:46 < Lucifer_Cat> thats a fighter map
2008-05-09 23:46 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: As opposed to a bomber map?
2008-05-09 23:46 < Messedrocker> quanticle, 2407905
2008-05-09 23:46 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, 2407905
2008-05-09 23:46 < Messedrocker> JOIN QUICKLY NOW!
2008-05-09 23:46 < Messedrocker> wait
2008-05-09 23:46 < Lucifer_Cat> in
2008-05-09 23:46 < quanticle> I'm in
2008-05-09 23:49 < gwern> 'A well-used door needs no oil on its hinges. A swift-flowing stream does not grow stagnant. Neither sound nor thoughts can travel through a vacuum. Software rots if not used.
2008-05-09 23:49 < gwern> These are great mysteries. '
2008-05-09 23:50 < quanticle> gwern: Who says a well used door needs no oil on its hinges. The door to my room needs oil right now, and I use that door every day.
2008-05-09 23:50 < gwern> but it still opens
2008-05-09 23:51 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat turn
2008-05-09 23:51 * Lucifer_Cat turns
2008-05-09 23:52 < quanticle> gwern: Indeed it does.
2008-05-09 23:54 * Lucifer_Cat oils quanticle ... turn niow
2008-05-09 23:54 < Lucifer_Cat> now
2008-05-09 23:54 < Gracenotes_away> hm, half a gigabyte transferred today.
2008-05-09 23:54 < Gracenotes_away> I don't want frontiernet to cancel my service :|
2008-05-09 23:55 < Mike_H> Gracenotes_away: two words
2008-05-09 23:55 < Mike_H> CONDITIONER
2008-05-09 23:55 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Rotate
2008-05-09 23:55 < quanticle> Mike_H: But... that's one word.
2008-05-09 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: torque
2008-05-09 23:56 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Heh. Its Messedrocker's turn. By the way, did you get owned when you attacked out of Kyklades?
2008-05-09 23:57 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: yeah :S
2008-05-09 23:57 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: the other game
2008-05-09 23:59 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: So did I. Messedrocker's defensive rolls tonight are killer.
2008-05-10 00:01 < Messedrocker> quanticle, turn
2008-05-10 00:01 < FastLizard4|Food> quanticle: What game are you playing?
2008-05-10 00:01 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: i got fugged by neutral
2008-05-10 00:01 < Messedrocker> 2008-05-09 22:55:09 - quanticle: Wow. Messedrocker's really rockin' on the defensive rolls tonight.
2008-05-10 00:01 < Messedrocker> 2008-05-09 22:59:55 - MessedRocker: My Lesbian dice are great at performing in my favor.
2008-05-10 00:01 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4|Food: fug the lizard
2008-05-10 00:02 < Messedrocker> MY LESBIANS!
2008-05-10 00:02 < Messedrocker> They're no longer under my control!
2008-05-10 00:03 < Mike_H> were they ever?
2008-05-10 00:04 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-05-10 00:04 < Messedrocker> in this game, I controlled Lesbos
2008-05-10 00:04 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Damn this interface. I accidentally deployed on the wrong territory.
2008-05-10 00:04 < quanticle> Stupid waste of four armies.
2008-05-10 00:04 < FastLizard4|Food> quanticle: What game are you playing?
2008-05-10 00:05 < FastLizard4|Food> Lucifer_Cat: Your turn on the Senate floor
2008-05-10 00:06 < quanticle> Fastlizard4|Food: We're playing Conquer Club; Ancient Greece map
2008-05-10 00:06 < FastLizard4|Food> quanticle: I found it
2008-05-10 00:06 < FastLizard4|Food> I was asking for the game #
2008-05-10 00:07 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: turn
2008-05-10 00:07 < Messedrocker> 2407905
2008-05-10 00:09 < FastLizard4|Food> Messedrocker: Found it
2008-05-10 00:11 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: nice action in greece heh
2008-05-10 00:12 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Indeed.
2008-05-10 00:12 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Though, I suspect you'll win that game.
2008-05-10 00:13 < Alkivar> http://valleywag.com/photogallery/Microsoftheadquarters/1001409811
2008-05-10 00:13 < Alkivar> LOLOLOL
2008-05-10 00:13 < Alkivar> thats a picture at Microsoft HQ
2008-05-10 00:13 < Alkivar> count how many mac's you see
2008-05-10 00:13 < Messedrocker> one's even running mac os x
2008-05-10 00:14 < Kjoonlee> hi :)
2008-05-10 00:15 * Mike_H pets Alkivar
2008-05-10 00:15 < Mike_H> bumm13: So I bought some Buncha Crunch today.
2008-05-10 00:16 < Mike_H> I haven't seen that since like 1993.
2008-05-10 00:16 * Messedrocker would like to recapture Lesbos but that is not part of his campaign
2008-05-10 00:16 < Mike_H> I thought they discontinued that.
2008-05-10 00:16 < quanticle> Alkivar: You do realize that Microsoft does make software for Macintosh, right?
2008-05-10 00:16 < quanticle> Alkivar: I mean, the Office for Mac developers have to program on something, right?
2008-05-10 00:17 < Messedrocker> i love Microsoft Office 2007 for Mac!
2008-05-10 00:17 < Messedrocker> or is it 2008 that i have?
2008-05-10 00:17 * Messedrocker has been a fulltime macfag since 2007
2008-05-10 00:18 * Messedrocker still finds the fanboys pretentious as shit
2008-05-10 00:18 < Messedrocker> quanticle, turn
2008-05-10 00:18 < quanticle> Ok. All done on the Senate map. Its goodshoped35110s' turn now.
2008-05-10 00:18 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: your turn
2008-05-10 00:19 < quanticle> Ok.
2008-05-10 00:19 < quanticle> I'm going to bed after I take my turns.
2008-05-10 00:19 < Messedrocker> it'd be neat if i had my own seat reserved on the floor of the senate
2008-05-10 00:20 < Messedrocker> maybe if i got credentials with time magazine...
2008-05-10 00:20 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: turn on greece dude
2008-05-10 00:20 < Lucifer_Cat> you can always fuck later
2008-05-10 00:20 < Gracenotes_away> d.b
2008-05-10 00:20 < Lucifer_Cat> erm,, i mean fug
2008-05-10 00:20 < Lucifer_Cat> data.base ?
2008-05-10 00:21 < Gracenotes_away> that's the obvious compsci abbr. But it's not an abbreviation. It consists of two eyes and a nose.
2008-05-10 00:22 < Gracenotes_away> clearly. &_&
2008-05-10 00:23 < quanticle> Anway. I'm out.
2008-05-10 00:24 < FastLizard4|Food> Messedrocker: Would you please tell BoL in #wikipedia-en to make his move on the Senate map?
2008-05-10 00:25 < Kjoonlee> Hi, is there anyone here with an OTRS account?
2008-05-10 00:26 < Mike_H> !otrs
2008-05-10 00:26 < BoL> MessedRocker: done
2008-05-10 00:27 < Lucifer_Cat> bol bol
2008-05-10 00:27 < BoL> what what what?
2008-05-10 00:27 < Gracenotes_away> does anyone know the time in China atm?
2008-05-10 00:27 < Messedrocker> 12:27 PM i believe
2008-05-10 00:27 < BoL> crap, i'm losing
2008-05-10 00:27 < Messedrocker> you're not losing until you've been eliminated
2008-05-10 00:28 < BoL> China: time is 5 PM i think (or was it 5AM or something)
2008-05-10 00:28 < BoL> oh
2008-05-10 00:28 < BoL> I know
2008-05-10 00:28 < Gracenotes_away> for some reason internet traffic on a certain zh-cn website really picks up in the last few hours.
2008-05-10 00:28 < Gracenotes_away> everyday
2008-05-10 00:29 < Messedrocker> the MessedRocker Empire's local deities are Cronus and Priapus
2008-05-10 00:29 < arcimboldo_> 12:29 pm is right
2008-05-10 00:29 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-05-10 00:29 < FastLizard4|Food> Lucifer_Cat: Go on senate
2008-05-10 00:30 < Messedrocker> i know because i once went to taiwan
2008-05-10 00:30 < Messedrocker> i was 12 hours ahead of my home
2008-05-10 00:30 < Messedrocker> it was neat: when i'd be about finished with a day, back at home, they barely begun it
2008-05-10 00:30 < arcimboldo_> One has to take care about daylight saving time matters
2008-05-10 00:30 < arcimboldo_> I know ...
2008-05-10 00:31 < arcimboldo_> Having TCs with the US from Japan is always a challenge ...
2008-05-10 00:31 < Messedrocker> you should all work on one time zone
2008-05-10 00:31 < Messedrocker> UTC
2008-05-10 00:34 < Lucifer_Cat> latbeeeeeeh
2008-05-10 00:34 < Messedrocker> quanticle is gone?
2008-05-10 00:34 < Messedrocker> aw nuts
2008-05-10 00:34 < Lucifer_Cat> my luck on the second greece map sucks
2008-05-10 00:34 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: yeah
2008-05-10 00:34 < Messedrocker> looks like we'll have to wait
2008-05-10 00:35 < Lucifer_Cat> i couldnt win 7 against 2 :S
2008-05-10 00:35 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, you played right into my hands
2008-05-10 00:35 < Alkivar> http://www.1010wins.com/Mac-Savvy-Woman-Helps-Cops-Nab-Laptop-Thieves/2157543 <-- LOL
2008-05-10 00:35 < Messedrocker> looks like Conquer Club imitates 300
2008-05-10 00:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: yeah right.
2008-05-10 00:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: no. i have annhiliated whole empires in a single turn... more than just a few times.
2008-05-10 00:37 < FastLizard4|Food> quanticle|away: Go on Senate
2008-05-10 00:37 * gwern has seen things you wouldn't believe. Armies annihilated off the Tanhauser gate; collections of cards flourescing in the dark as they get redeemed... all these moves will be lost, like tears in the rain
2008-05-10 00:37 < The359> Time to die, motherfucker
2008-05-10 00:37 < Messedrocker> FastLizard4|Food, he's AWAY
2008-05-10 00:38 < FastLizard4|Food> Messedrocker: So what?
2008-05-10 00:38 < Fire> Hmm.. Was Mark_Ryan around these last days, or is he enjoying holidays or something?
2008-05-10 00:38 < Gracenotes_away> hm... it never really struck me how well designed and easy-to-navigate Obama's site is...
2008-05-10 00:38 < The359> Woman Helps Cops Find Men Who Stole Her Laptop
2008-05-10 00:38 < The359> WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) -- A Westchester woman who had her laptop stolen was able to connect to the computer, photograph two suspects and give the photos to police.
2008-05-10 00:39 < The359> Police say the woman was called from a friend asking if she was online.
2008-05-10 00:39 < The359> The victim said no and was told by the friend that her computer showed her as being on the Internet.
2008-05-10 00:39 < The359> At that point the victim signed onto another computer and used the "Back to My Mac" program to determine that her stolen MacIntosh laptop was on the Web.
2008-05-10 00:39 < The359> She then used the stolen computer's camera to photograph Shahikian.
2008-05-10 00:39 < The359> Owned.
2008-05-10 00:39 < Not_the_NSA> lol
2008-05-10 00:40 * Messedrocker is anxious for qua##icle to make his move
2008-05-10 00:40 < Gracenotes_away> what if the government can watch us use our Macs. :>
2008-05-10 00:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: in about 12 hours. sure.
2008-05-10 00:41 < Messedrocker> quanticle has a fine dominion in asia minor
2008-05-10 00:43 < Not_the_NSA> Gracenotes_away: You didn't get Internal Memo #69 from 4 years ago?
2008-05-10 00:45 < The359> they're sending memos through my internals now?
2008-05-10 00:46 < gwern> my god.
2008-05-10 00:46 < gwern> wine's 1.0-rc1
2008-05-10 00:46 * gwern begins liquidating my assets. the apocalypse is near, and I wish to party while I still have a corporeal existence
2008-05-10 00:47 < Lucifer_Cat> what
2008-05-10 00:47 < The359> what?
2008-05-10 00:47 < gwern> http://www.winehq.org/?announce=latest 'This is release 1.0-rc1 of Wine, a free implementation of Windows on Unix.'
2008-05-10 00:47 < gwern> after 15 years, 1.0 is in sight
2008-05-10 00:47 < The359> rc?
2008-05-10 00:48 * FastLizard4|Food wants Firefox 3!!!
2008-05-10 00:48 < Messedrocker> hey, unlimited games only costs $25/yr
2008-05-10 00:48 < FastLizard4|Food> Messedrocker: Yup
2008-05-10 00:48 < gwern> The359: release candidate
2008-05-10 00:48 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: once you buy it, you will either...
2008-05-10 00:48 < Lucifer_Cat> 1. Never play more than 2 at a time
2008-05-10 00:48 < The359> ah
2008-05-10 00:48 < Lucifer_Cat> 2. play all day long... and be addicted to it... conquercrack.
2008-05-10 00:49 < Lucifer_Cat> crackclub
2008-05-10 00:52 < FastLizard4|Food> Lucifer_Cat: You get a special gold rank icon :P
2008-05-10 00:52 < FastLizard4|Food> gold/red
2008-05-10 00:52 < FastLizard4|Food> instead of silver/blue
2008-05-10 00:52 < Lucifer_Cat> what where?
2008-05-10 00:54 < Lucifer_Cat> oh for private first clas
2008-05-10 01:01 < gwern> 'José González is a Swedish indie folk singer-songwriter of Argentine descent.' <-- not a background you see very often
2008-05-10 01:04 < Messedrocker> how about this for a sudden death map
2008-05-10 01:04 < Messedrocker> basically, a very basic map with only four plots on it
2008-05-10 01:04 < Messedrocker> therefore, sudden death
2008-05-10 01:04 < Messedrocker> well, adjusted based on the number of players
2008-05-10 01:06 < Gracenotes_away> high latency ftw
2008-05-10 01:06 * Gracenotes_away huggles Messedrocker
2008-05-10 01:07 * gwern needs context: http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/627/1210360596835pa3.jpg
2008-05-10 01:09 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: its a sushi plate with a mouse in it
2008-05-10 01:09 < Messedrocker> oh man i hadn't even noticed the mouse