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2008-05-09 18:54 < Sasquatch> Alkivar: *facepalm*
2008-05-09 18:54 < bumm13> newfags?
2008-05-09 18:54 < Sasquatch> Gracenotes: yea, /b/ is cancer as of late
2008-05-09 18:54 < quanticle> Sasquatch: Indeed. If you know what you're doing, you start of with a nice helping of copypasta
2008-05-09 18:54 < ThePolecat> Both of Ron Paul's supporters were pretty good at this internet stuff.
2008-05-09 18:54 < Sasquatch> bumm13: don't ask
2008-05-09 18:54 < Alkivar> bumm newfags = newbies
2008-05-09 18:54 < bumm13> ok
2008-05-09 18:54 < quanticle> Sasquatch: When has /b/ not been cancer?
2008-05-09 18:54 < Sasquatch> quanticle: it was at least amusing cancer for a while
2008-05-09 18:54 < quanticle> Mmmm... copypasta
2008-05-09 18:54 < Alkivar> bumm /b/ has its own language and its becoming more like [[idiocracy]] every day
2008-05-09 18:55 < Sasquatch> i remember the days of battletoads and EFG combos
2008-05-09 18:55 < Alkivar> i expect /b/ to start filming its own OUCH MY BALLS soon
2008-05-09 18:55 < quanticle> Alkivar: I'd argue that /b/ has surpassed Idiocracy in most ways.
2008-05-09 18:55 < Gracenotes> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvPRbh0jmE
2008-05-09 18:55 < Sasquatch> Alkivar: oh dear. let's freeze luke wilson! quick!
2008-05-09 18:55 < quanticle> Alkivar: I think they've finished it, and are starting on Butt
2008-05-09 18:55 < Messedrocker> the show was over at last
2008-05-09 18:55 < Messedrocker> a lot of people met the band
2008-05-09 18:56 < quanticle> Messedrocker: You went to a concert?
2008-05-09 18:56 < Messedrocker> no
2008-05-09 18:56 < Messedrocker> wesley willis quote
2008-05-09 18:56 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Ah. I didn't catch the reference.
2008-05-09 18:56 < Alkivar> i still love /b/ though
2008-05-09 18:57 < Sasquatch> i love /b/ as well
2008-05-09 18:57 < Alkivar> something about the sewer of the internet has always interested me
2008-05-09 18:57 < Sasquatch> but not as much as i used to
2008-05-09 18:57 < Sasquatch> operation chanology doesn't really happen on /b/ anymore either
2008-05-09 18:57 < Gracenotes> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvPRbh0jmE
2008-05-09 18:57 < Gracenotes> lol linkspam
2008-05-09 18:57 * ThePolecat has to be off for a bit, it's late-ish
2008-05-09 18:57 < quanticle> Alkivar: I don't love it, I'm fascinated by it. Much as an AIDS researcher is fascinated by the virus... or like a historian is fascinated by Hitler.
2008-05-09 18:58 < Gracenotes> okay. time to watch a movie.
2008-05-09 18:58 < quanticle> Gracenotes: What are you watching?
2008-05-09 18:59 < Gracenotes> Trick
2008-05-09 18:59 < Alkivar> quanticle... you dont think some historian actually loves history?
2008-05-09 19:00 < quanticle> Alkivar: Well, I'd look askance at any historian that professed a love of Hitler, yes.
2008-05-09 19:00 < ThePolecat> some historians are in government spinning. they presumably have an interpretation of history they can love
2008-05-09 19:00 < Alkivar> i dont see why... hitler is a fascinating subject
2008-05-09 19:00 < Gracenotes> quanticle: not a weight, serious movie by any means
2008-05-09 19:00 < Ryan_wp> Good evening.
2008-05-09 19:00 < Gracenotes> +y
2008-05-09 19:01 < Alkivar> the nazi regime is full of interesting information... i'd be looking askance at someone who actually thought hitlers ideas were worth reimplementing
2008-05-09 19:01 < Alkivar> some of the nazi ideas were even good ideas
2008-05-09 19:01 < quanticle> Dammit Alkivar. It was supposed to be a joke. Now look at what you've done; I'm actually engaged in serious discussion about the Nazi regime :P
2008-05-09 19:02 < Mike_H> How did we get into a discussion about the Nazis?
2008-05-09 19:02 < Mike_H> Did someone bring up that Austrian who fathered children with his daughter again?
2008-05-09 19:02 < gwern> Mike_H: godwin's law
2008-05-09 19:02 < Alkivar> quanticle invoked godwin a while back and i'm not letting him escape the discussion so easily
2008-05-09 19:02 < Alkivar> seriously... i think austria needs to just outlaw basements...
2008-05-09 19:02 < Ryan_wp> How come every time I log in, people are talking about Nazis, some way or another?
2008-05-09 19:03 < Alkivar> Ryan|sleep: they are a fascinating subject and highly relevant to political structures and regimes in power today
2008-05-09 19:03 < quanticle> So, if(alkivar.isPresent()){godwins_law = new Ackbar("ITS A TRAP!");}
2008-05-09 19:03 < Alkivar> ack Ryan_wp i meant
2008-05-09 19:03 < Mike_H> Alkivar: Clearly Austria can't be trusted with basements
2008-05-09 19:03 < Mike_H> just like Germany can't be trusted with babies and freezers.
2008-05-09 19:03 < Alkivar> Mike_H: babies and freezers???? what did i miss?
2008-05-09 19:04 < quanticle> Mike_H: Babies... and freezers? Do I want to ask?
2008-05-09 19:04 < Mike_H> quanticle: In Germany some chick had four babies
2008-05-09 19:04 < Mike_H> and then froze them.
2008-05-09 19:04 < Mike_H> They didn't find them for over 20 years.
2008-05-09 19:04 < Alkivar> wow i missed that news item
2008-05-09 19:04 < quanticle> That's so surreal its almost funny.
2008-05-09 19:04 < Alkivar> thats fucked up....
2008-05-09 19:04 < quanticle> Mike_H: Its like a dead baby joke come alive.
2008-05-09 19:05 < quanticle> Er, come true, rather
2008-05-09 19:05 < Alkivar> quanticle: it is a dead baby joke come true
2008-05-09 19:05 < Mike_H> Sorry, it was three babies
2008-05-09 19:05 < Mike_H> not four
2008-05-09 19:05 < Mike_H> I searched "Germany freezer baby" and got the articles
2008-05-09 19:05 < Mike_H> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7383837.stm
2008-05-09 19:05 < Alkivar> wow the fucking kids found it
2008-05-09 19:06 < Alkivar> they're lucky they werent in the fucking freezer
2008-05-09 19:06 < lucasbfr> :D
2008-05-09 19:06 < Mike_H> lucasbfr's all
2008-05-09 19:06 < quanticle> I think the most interesting line in that article is this one: "There have been several similar cases in Germany recently, including a woman jailed for killing her eight children."
2008-05-09 19:06 < Mike_H> "I'm from France, we can laugh at Germany again"
2008-05-09 19:06 < Alkivar> in 2006, a woman in eastern Germany was sentenced to 15 years in prison for killing eight of her babies.
2008-05-09 19:06 < Alkivar> She had buried them in flower pots and a fish tank in the garden of her parents' home near the Polish border.
2008-05-09 19:06 < quanticle> Mike_H: Germany - Land of the Real Life Dead Baby Joke?
2008-05-09 19:06 < Alkivar> seriously... wtf is wrong with women
2008-05-09 19:07 < ThePolecat> yea, it's sort of an epidemic right now.
2008-05-09 19:07 < lucasbfr> Mike_H: hehe ;)
2008-05-09 19:07 < lucasbfr> you know, we are BFF now
2008-05-09 19:07 < ThePolecat> But I swore to myself not to talk about crime any more
2008-05-09 19:07 < lucasbfr> (Ger and Fra)
2008-05-09 19:07 < Mike_H> lucasbfr: like Greece and Turkey are BFFs?
2008-05-09 19:07 < ThePolecat> so I shall recuse myself
2008-05-09 19:07 < Alkivar> Mike_H: LULZ
2008-05-09 19:07 < ThePolecat> Germany and France are pretty chummy.
2008-05-09 19:07 * quanticle wondered how long it'd take ThePolecat to arrive once we started insulting Germany
2008-05-09 19:07 < Alkivar> they have to be... germany's economy is keeping france afloat
2008-05-09 19:07 < Alkivar> look at the relative gdp's in the EU
2008-05-09 19:07 < Mike_H> quanticle: now, there are some legitimate German things we can insult and ThePolecat would agree
2008-05-09 19:07 < Mike_H> like Heidi Klum
2008-05-09 19:08 < Mike_H> that's always a favorite
2008-05-09 19:08 < ThePolecat> didn't even see it as an insult
2008-05-09 19:08 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Not if you hear their EU ministers talk. The Germans are miffed that France is trying to get them to ease monetary policy.
2008-05-09 19:08 < lucasbfr> Alkivar: not working very well though :D
2008-05-09 19:08 < ThePolecat> Heidi Klum's English AND German.
2008-05-09 19:08 < Alkivar> Germany will pull out of the EU ... mark my words
2008-05-09 19:08 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Marrying an English guy doesn't make her English.
2008-05-09 19:08 < Alkivar> the EU will completely collapse by 2040
2008-05-09 19:08 < ThePolecat> in the end, Germany's thoughts about how the EU is supposed to go are closer to France's than the UK's or the Czechs'
2008-05-09 19:08 < Mike_H> She's from that Bergdorf Goodman town in Germany and she always will be
2008-05-09 19:09 < lucasbfr> Alkivar: I'd prefer if they ran the damn thing and told French politicians to shut the hell up
2008-05-09 19:09 < ThePolecat> Bergisch Gladbach!
2008-05-09 19:09 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-05-09 19:09 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Yeah, that, the Glad bag.
2008-05-09 19:09 < quanticle> Alkivar: But without Germany, the EU (or at least the Euro) would most likely collapse. After all, most of the other influential European nations are for greatly loosening monetary policy.
2008-05-09 19:09 < ThePolecat> And we'd keep the ECB tower in Frankfurt.
2008-05-09 19:09 < Alkivar> quanticle: yep... and with the US economy tanked... the EU is losing money because we cant afford to buy their over inflated goods
2008-05-09 19:09 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Bergdorf Goodman is a department store rich people go to here ;)
2008-05-09 19:10 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-05-09 19:10 < quanticle> Alkivar: You mean, you're losing money because we can't buy *your* goods. With the euro being worth one and a half times the dollar, you can buy our goods just fine.
2008-05-09 19:10 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: It's usually just called Bergdorf's though.
2008-05-09 19:10 < Mike_H> shorter.
2008-05-09 19:11 < Mike_H> shorter and chic, like Bloomie's.
2008-05-09 19:11 < ThePolecat> it means something like "Mountainous Brook"
2008-05-09 19:11 < Mike_H> Bloomingdale's (or Bloomie's) is a chain of upscale American department stores owned by Macy's, Inc., which is also the parent company of Macy's. Bloomingdale's has 36 stores nationwide, with annual sales of $1.9 billion.
2008-05-09 19:11 < Mike_H> hawt.
2008-05-09 19:11 < Alkivar> quanticle: re read that
2008-05-09 19:11 < Alkivar> your absolutely backwards
2008-05-09 19:11 * ThePolecat doesn't know about the "glad" part
2008-05-09 19:11 < Alkivar> the EURO is worth more than the Dollar ... the EURO has buying power
2008-05-09 19:12 < quanticle> Alkivar: Heh. I was reading it from the perspective of Europe, not America...
2008-05-09 19:12 < Alkivar> the US Dollar is weak and therefore cant buy as many goods from the EU
2008-05-09 19:12 < quanticle> Alkivar: Hence the misunderstanding.
2008-05-09 19:12 < Alkivar> the economies and currencies of Germany and the UK are whats keeping the Euro value so high
2008-05-09 19:13 < ThePolecat> and the ECB's lack of non-inflationary concerns.
2008-05-09 19:13 < ThePolecat> it's concentrating solely on stability, nothing else
2008-05-09 19:13 < Alkivar> if both of them bailed from the EU... the Euro would sink to sub dollar value virtually over night
2008-05-09 19:13 < quanticle> On the other hand, one nice thing about the Euro being so high is that we've got some allies now in pressing China to increase the valuation of its currency.
2008-05-09 19:13 < ThePolecat> a national bank would probably make different decisions
2008-05-09 19:13 < lucasbfr> Alkivar: The UK doesn't use the Euro
2008-05-09 19:14 < Mike_H> Alkivar: France, Germany and Italy have long stabilized the euro for the other lesser nations.
2008-05-09 19:14 < Ryan_wp> Does anyone know of a working edit counter (with namespaces) that is *not* on the toolserver?
2008-05-09 19:14 < Alkivar> lucasbfr: no it doesnt... but as a member state, it helps keep the value of the euro inflated
2008-05-09 19:14 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Indeed. The US Federal Reserve has the dual mandate of encouraging growth and managing inflation. The ECB does not.
2008-05-09 19:14 < ThePolecat> Right.
2008-05-09 19:14 < quanticle> Mike_H: Italy? Stable currency?
2008-05-09 19:14 < Mike_H> quanticle: More stable than like Romania.
2008-05-09 19:14 < Alkivar> are you fucking kidding me?
2008-05-09 19:15 < quanticle> Working_Cat: You're still at work?
2008-05-09 19:15 < Alkivar> italy is just as bad as estonia with regards to stability
2008-05-09 19:15 < Golbez> basically
2008-05-09 19:15 < Working_Cat> wtf... since when did quanticle start setting topics
2008-05-09 19:15 < Golbez> germany tried twice and failed to conquer europe through military means
2008-05-09 19:16 < Golbez> then they discovered that if they renamed the mark to "euro" and got all the other countries to go along, they could get what they wanted without any expense or bloodshed
2008-05-09 19:16 < quanticle> Working_Cat: I have appointed myself the keeper of the status reading.
2008-05-09 19:16 < Working_Cat> quanticle: well im in my cubicle, yes.
2008-05-09 19:16 < gwern> italy only ever got a stable currency when the euro took away their control over their currency... too easy for the squabbling politicians to inflate their way to some growth
2008-05-09 19:16 < ThePolecat> I don't think conquering Europe was the objective in WWII, to be fair.
2008-05-09 19:16 < Alkivar> gwern: exactly!
2008-05-09 19:16 < ThePolecat> WWI
2008-05-09 19:16 < ThePolecat> sorry
2008-05-09 19:16 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: heh you had me thinking for a moment
2008-05-09 19:16 < lucasbfr> (off to bed, night)
2008-05-09 19:16 < Golbez> the euro is the mark, and Germany is the big man on campus.
2008-05-09 19:16 < ThePolecat> it was mostly about neutralizing French military power.
2008-05-09 19:16 < Golbez> victory at last.
2008-05-09 19:16 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: go out. have a life. please :)
2008-05-09 19:17 < Mike_H> :/
2008-05-09 19:17 < ThePolecat> Que?
2008-05-09 19:17 * Mike_H slaps Working_Cat
2008-05-09 19:17 < Alkivar> Golbez: thats a funny way to look at things... even if it is semi-accurate
2008-05-09 19:17 < Mike_H> be nice to ThePolecat
2008-05-09 19:17 < quanticle> Alkivar: That's why I find claims that Italy is "stabilizing" the Euro to be laughable. Italy is probably the chief *destabilizing* influence on the Euro, more so than even France.
2008-05-09 19:17 < lucasbfr> ThePolecat: no need, just wait for the "Charles de Gaulle" to be in maintenance
2008-05-09 19:17 * Working_Cat bitch slaps Mike_H
2008-05-09 19:17 < Sasquatch> Polecat is pole.
2008-05-09 19:17 < lucasbfr> should happen in 6 months or so
2008-05-09 19:17 * Mike_H skank-ho slaps Working_Cat
2008-05-09 19:17 < Golbez> "The Deutsche Mark ceased to be legal tender immediately upon the introduction of the euro—in contrast to the other eurozone nations, where the euro and legacy currency circulated side by side for up to two months." qed.
2008-05-09 19:17 < ThePolecat> Meh, no need to intervene on my behalf.
2008-05-09 19:17 < Mike_H> now I won't tell y'again!
2008-05-09 19:17 < quanticle> Working_Cat: ThePolecat isn't the one who's still at work.
2008-05-09 19:17 < Working_Cat> why this sudden tough love btw mike?
2008-05-09 19:17 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: but ilu <3
2008-05-09 19:17 * ThePolecat has been working all day
2008-05-09 19:17 < ThePolecat> o.o
2008-05-09 19:17 < Mike_H> not THAT way
2008-05-09 19:17 * ThePolecat burrows
2008-05-09 19:17 < Mike_H> God!
2008-05-09 19:18 < ThePolecat> Yes?
2008-05-09 19:18 < ThePolecat> :-P
2008-05-09 19:18 < Mike_H> psh.
2008-05-09 19:18 < lucasbfr> (the OTHER way)
2008-05-09 19:18 < Mike_H> ;)
2008-05-09 19:18 < Working_Cat> >_<
2008-05-09 19:18 < Mike_H> lucasbfr: I lust you! <3
2008-05-09 19:18 < lucasbfr> (turn around)
2008-05-09 19:18 < Alkivar> Golbez: the euro and the mark werent exchanged 1:1 though... so your argument loses a bit of its strength there
2008-05-09 19:18 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Seriously, though, what are you still doing at work? Its past six for crying out loud.
2008-05-09 19:18 < lucasbfr> ok I'm really off
2008-05-09 19:18 < quanticle> Alkivar: They weren't?
2008-05-09 19:18 * Mike_H rides lucasbfr's coattails
2008-05-09 19:18 < Working_Cat> quanticle: im just hanging out here cuz my office is closer to all the cool places than my home. and im just waiting for a call from a cpl friends about where to meet.
2008-05-09 19:19 < ThePolecat> the Euro is 1.95 marks.
2008-05-09 19:19 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Ah. Ok.
2008-05-09 19:19 < Golbez> Alkivar- no, but i would say that was mainly in order to achieve parity with the USD, which was necessary to be able to tell how strong it is
2008-05-09 19:19 < Working_Cat> also, i left at 4:30 and came back 30 mins ago
2008-05-09 19:19 < quanticle> Working_Cat: So you're not really working, just chillin' (at work).
2008-05-09 19:19 < Working_Cat> heres the call
2008-05-09 19:19 < quanticle> Bye Working_Cat
2008-05-09 19:19 < ThePolecat> ...which was convenient because most prices were simply "cut in half"
2008-05-09 19:19 < Alkivar> Quanticle: it was 2:1 actually
2008-05-09 19:20 < ThePolecat> yea, 1.96:1
2008-05-09 19:20 < quanticle> Alkivar: Ah. Ok.
2008-05-09 19:20 < Alkivar> well yeah ... 1.96 to 1
2008-05-09 19:20 < Alkivar> i rounded up a bit
2008-05-09 19:20 < Working_Cat> BRIDGESTREET MALL... HERE I COME!!!!!
2008-05-09 19:20 < quanticle> The Euro started out at parity to the USD didn't it?
2008-05-09 19:20 < Alkivar> no
2008-05-09 19:20 < Golbez> close to it
2008-05-09 19:20 < Golbez> but not exact
2008-05-09 19:20 < ThePolecat> the Mark was never closer to the dollar than about 1.40
2008-05-09 19:20 < Alkivar> the euro was worth less than a dollar when initially released
2008-05-09 19:20 < Working_Cat> WHERE IN THE CATHELL IS LOUD_CAT
2008-05-09 19:20 < Alkivar> as i recall it was about 94 cents to a euro when released
2008-05-09 19:20 * Tesfan is wall_cat
2008-05-09 19:21 * Working_Cat lines Tesfan against the wall... shoots.
2008-05-09 19:21 < quanticle> Alkivar: Really? I thought they started it off at 1:1, because, well, that seemed like the sensible thing to do.
2008-05-09 19:21 * NoPegs passes out the megaphones from the commisary...
2008-05-09 19:21 < Golbez> it started out at $1.18/E
2008-05-09 19:21 < Tesfan> lol
2008-05-09 19:21 < Working_Cat> and cya later alligators
2008-05-09 19:21 < ThePolecat> there was one time with an exceptionally weak dollar, I think in the mid-80s
2008-05-09 19:21 < Golbez> then fell to $.82/E
2008-05-09 19:21 < lucasbfr> http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=USDEUR=X#chart3:symbol=usdeur=x;range=my;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
2008-05-09 19:21 < ThePolecat> I think it went to 1.35
2008-05-09 19:21 < Golbez> and is now $1.59/E
2008-05-09 19:21 < lucasbfr> started at 0.9, then raised at 1.2 and now 0.65 or so
2008-05-09 19:22 < Alkivar> ahh yeah
2008-05-09 19:22 < Alkivar> your right started over the dollar and dropped
2008-05-09 19:22 < Alkivar> i had to go check the charts
2008-05-09 19:22 < quanticle> Ah. Ok.
2008-05-09 19:22 < The359> Shouldn't "In The News" be changed in regards to relief efforts in Myanmar?
2008-05-09 19:22 < lucasbfr> *poof*
2008-05-09 19:22 < quanticle> Makes sense. The dollar had quite a run in the '90s.
2008-05-09 19:22 < Alkivar> early 2000s really
2008-05-09 19:22 < Alkivar> during the tech bubble
2008-05-09 19:23 < Sasquatch> The359: how so?
2008-05-09 19:23 * ThePolecat remembers owning a Euros "starter pak"
2008-05-09 19:23 < Alkivar> cause the euro rollout was in 1999...
2008-05-09 19:23 < The359> An international relief operation begins after Cyclone Nargis strikes Burma, with at least 63,500 people reported killed or missing.
2008-05-09 19:23 < quanticle> Alkivar: Well, the tech. bubble really started around '96-'97, didn't it? As I recall, the bubble popped in 2001-2002.
2008-05-09 19:23 < ThePolecat> and being unable to pay with in on January 1, 2002
2008-05-09 19:23 < The359> No mention of the fact that the aid isn't actually getting through
2008-05-09 19:23 < Alkivar> quanticle: the bubble peaked in 2000
2008-05-09 19:24 < Alkivar> about the same time the euro hit its all time low vs the dollar
2008-05-09 19:24 < Sasquatch> The359: hard to make the entire thing brief
2008-05-09 19:24 < Golbez> The359- and no mention of the current death roll estimation
2008-05-09 19:24 < quanticle> Alkivar: Right, but the main collapse was in 2001, after September 11th.
2008-05-09 19:24 < Alkivar> see if you can find a graph of the Nasdaq avg vs the USD to Euro exchange rate
2008-05-09 19:24 < Golbez> which according to one news source
2008-05-09 19:24 < Golbez> is 500,000.
2008-05-09 19:24 < Alkivar> for 2000
2008-05-09 19:24 < ThePolecat> Enron didn't help either.
2008-05-09 19:25 < Alkivar> enron hit in what 2001?
2008-05-09 19:25 < The359> "Following the death of xxxxx people due to Cyclone Nargis, military leaders have refused aid from international organisations."?
2008-05-09 19:25 < The359> erm
2008-05-09 19:25 < Tesfan> is that in myamar?
2008-05-09 19:25 < Tesfan> (sp)
2008-05-09 19:25 < The359> Military leaders in Burma/Myanmar
2008-05-09 19:25 < ThePolecat> Yea, 2001 IIRC.
2008-05-09 19:25 < Tesfan> yeah
2008-05-09 19:25 < quanticle> The359: Well, that's the thing. The estimates of the number of dead are all over the map.
2008-05-09 19:25 < The359> take the low estimate and say "over"?
2008-05-09 19:25 < Tesfan> They don't want people to see what they've been doing, I'm guessing =P
2008-05-09 19:26 < Alkivar> quanticle: i'd say the tech bubble burst pre 9/11
2008-05-09 19:26 < Alkivar> because the market was already on a downtrend when 9/11 happened
2008-05-09 19:26 < Sasquatch> tech bubble burst in 2000 realyl
2008-05-09 19:26 < Sasquatch> *really
2008-05-09 19:26 < quanticle> Alkivar: I guess its an issue of semantics. The bubble was deflating, to be sure, but .818181... really burst it.
2008-05-09 19:26 < Alkivar> Sasquatch: the nasdaq avg didnt take a nosedive til early 2001 though... and thats the real measure of the tech sector stock wise
2008-05-09 19:26 < Gracenotes> if you take a look at the P/E of some companies, though...
2008-05-09 19:27 < ThePolecat> a worker's paradise has great disaster management by definition.
2008-05-09 19:27 < ThePolecat> imperialistic exploiters only water it down
2008-05-09 19:27 < ThePolecat> :-)
2008-05-09 19:27 < Sasquatch> it peaked at 2000 though
2008-05-09 19:27 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Indeed.
2008-05-09 19:27 < Sasquatch> dove.. rebounded
2008-05-09 19:27 < Mike_H> A California superdelegate is offering his vote to Clinton or Obama ? for a price.
2008-05-09 19:27 < Sasquatch> then failed
2008-05-09 19:28 < Mike_H> hahaha, that's great.
2008-05-09 19:28 < Tesfan> ahahahaha
2008-05-09 19:28 < Mike_H> He's asking for $20 million.
2008-05-09 19:28 < Tesfan> wow
2008-05-09 19:28 < Tesfan> I wanna be a superdelegate ;_;
2008-05-09 19:28 < Alkivar> Mike_H: which delegate?
2008-05-09 19:28 * ThePolecat has a hunch he's not going to stay in politics for much longer
2008-05-09 19:28 < quanticle> I agree, it peaked in 2000. I dove in 2001, and was in the middle of a rebound (dead cat bounce?) when September 11 hit
2008-05-09 19:28 < gwern> no superdelegate is worth 20m
2008-05-09 19:28 < Alkivar> gwern: if it comes down to 1 vote to win the caucus its worth it
2008-05-09 19:29 < Alkivar> not that i think it will be that tight
2008-05-09 19:29 < ThePolecat> Where is either candidate supposed to pull that from?
2008-05-09 19:29 < gwern> Alkivar: isn't california settled already?
2008-05-09 19:29 < Alkivar> hillary can pull it from her own pocket
2008-05-09 19:29 < quanticle> Indeed. Why pay this one superdelegate, when $20 million could buy you ads to convince four or five superdelegates to come to your side.
2008-05-09 19:29 < ThePolecat> I don't think so
2008-05-09 19:29 < Sasquatch> http://www.amateur-investor.net/Dow-Nasdaq2003.GIF
2008-05-09 19:29 < ThePolecat> can't imagine
2008-05-09 19:29 < Alkivar> though she'd be stupid to
2008-05-09 19:29 < Sasquatch> there, it was diving before 2001
2008-05-09 19:29 < Golbez> Mike_H- haha, which one?
2008-05-09 19:29 < gwern> and there's no way that obama/hillary will come down to one delegate
2008-05-09 19:29 < ThePolecat> ads targeted at SDs?
2008-05-09 19:29 < ThePolecat> That humors me
2008-05-09 19:29 < Mike_H> LOS ANGELES - What will it take for a Democratic presidential candidate to win the support of California superdelegate Steven Ybarra?
2008-05-09 19:29 < Mike_H> Say, $20 million.
2008-05-09 19:29 < Mike_H> The Democratic National Committee member doesn't parse his words when it comes to what he wants from Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton ? an ironclad promise to spend that heady amount to register Mexican-American voters and get them to the polls in November.
2008-05-09 19:30 < Sasquatch> i clearly remember it not really doing much in 2001 already
2008-05-09 19:30 < Golbez> yeah, no way they're going to do that
2008-05-09 19:30 < Golbez> and yeah, it won't come down to one delegate
2008-05-09 19:30 < Golbez> there will be a brokered convention long before it gets that close
2008-05-09 19:30 < Golbez> when things are close like that, it doesn't matter at that point, all that matters is the back room deals
2008-05-09 19:30 < quanticle> gwern: California is settled, but superdelegates are, by definition, uncommitted. They can vote for whomever they please, and their votes carry equal weight as the pledged delegates, who are obligated to vote as their precinct did.
2008-05-09 19:30 < gwern> what's the template to force the TOC in a particular place?
2008-05-09 19:30 < ThePolecat> to be fair, it's pork barrel, not personal enrichment
2008-05-09 19:30 < Alkivar> isnt that illegal to do?
2008-05-09 19:30 < Alkivar> anyways
2008-05-09 19:30 < Mike_H> When will he settle on a candidate?
2008-05-09 19:30 < Mike_H> "Nobody showed me any money yet," he said.
2008-05-09 19:30 < Alkivar> sell your vote?
2008-05-09 19:31 < Mike_H> haha, he says he won't vote for either until someone gives him money
2008-05-09 19:31 < Mike_H> <33333
2008-05-09 19:31 < ThePolecat> it's not for personal enrichment
2008-05-09 19:31 < ThePolecat> "...offered his vote in exchange for a promise to spend $20m (ÂŁ10m) to help Mexican-Americans."
2008-05-09 19:31 < Alkivar> or does voting in a caucus not count as selling a vote?
2008-05-09 19:31 < quanticle> Alkivar: Basically he'll be left in the cold once Clinton and Obama realize that it probably won't come down to just him.
2008-05-09 19:31 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: He's a Mexican-American
2008-05-09 19:31 < Mike_H> ergo
2008-05-09 19:31 < Mike_H> ...
2008-05-09 19:31 < Mike_H> ;)
2008-05-09 19:31 < ThePolecat> that's bit of a stretch.
2008-05-09 19:32 < Sasquatch> looking at yahoo.. nasdaq peaked spring 2000 and it was downhill from there
2008-05-09 19:32 < Alkivar> ThePolecat: personal enrichment can also be by getting your name in the papers as a huge donator to a cause
2008-05-09 19:32 < Sasquatch> by 2001 the tech bubble had been burst already
2008-05-09 19:32 < Sasquatch> i think 9/11 was just the nail in the coffin
2008-05-09 19:32 < ThePolecat> it's not the same as saying "no, you don't understand, I NEED THAT YACHT!"
2008-05-09 19:32 < Golbez> "Apocalypse threatens to engulf Burma but junta seizes aid" that's a nice headline
2008-05-09 19:32 < ThePolecat> But you weren't the donor!
2008-05-09 19:32 < Mike_H> He just needs like five million bottles of Corona
2008-05-09 19:32 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-05-09 19:32 < Mike_H> same thing really.
2008-05-09 19:32 < gwern> Junta Now
2008-05-09 19:32 < Golbez> i honestly don't even think North Korea would be so moronic as to refuse aid in a situation of this magnitude
2008-05-09 19:33 < Messedrocker> please
2008-05-09 19:33 < ThePolecat> that's a worthy cause, even though Corona comparatively sucks.
2008-05-09 19:33 < Messedrocker> like north korea could afford aid to a foreign country
2008-05-09 19:33 < Messedrocker> or want to, anyway
2008-05-09 19:33 < Mike_H> They're Mexicans
2008-05-09 19:33 < Alkivar> Sasquatch: ok i'll go with that chart then... my memory timeline is off then
2008-05-09 19:33 < Mike_H> they don't care.
2008-05-09 19:33 < Golbez> Messedrocker- er, you misread. =p
2008-05-09 19:33 < ThePolecat> o.o
2008-05-09 19:33 < Golbez> i meant, if a disaster happened to North Korea, they wouldn't refuse the aid I don't think
2008-05-09 19:33 < Messedrocker> yes they would
2008-05-09 19:33 < Messedrocker> of course they would
2008-05-09 19:33 < Golbez> they've accepted it before
2008-05-09 19:33 < Alkivar> Sasquatch: is it possible to add a USD vs EURO avg line to that chart to compare?
2008-05-09 19:33 < Messedrocker> kim jong il is extremely self interested
2008-05-09 19:34 < Sasquatch> alkivar: lemme see
2008-05-09 19:34 < Alkivar> i'm curious to see when the euro hit rock bottom... if it was at or before the nasdaq peak...
2008-05-09 19:34 < ThePolecat> It seemed to fail quite early on
2008-05-09 19:34 < quanticle> Golbez: You'd be surprised. North Korea has had famines of the same scale as this cyclone and they've refused aid.
2008-05-09 19:35 < Golbez> hm
2008-05-09 19:35 < Golbez> maybe
2008-05-09 19:35 < Alkivar> burma will have a higher death toll before this is all over
2008-05-09 19:35 * ThePolecat inhales wasabi to improve the state of his nose
2008-05-09 19:35 < Golbez> Alkivar- possibly higher than the tsunami, some are saying
2008-05-09 19:35 < quanticle> Alkivar: No doubt about that.
2008-05-09 19:35 < Alkivar> theres such poor infrastructure there that disease will take a bunch more victims before its all over
2008-05-09 19:36 < Sasquatch> Alkivar: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=USDEUR%3DX#chart2:symbol=usdeur=x;range=20000801,20080508;compare=^ixic;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
2008-05-09 19:36 < quanticle> Golbez: Higher than the *total* death toll due to the tsunami, or higher than Burma's death toll before the tsunami?
2008-05-09 19:36 < Golbez> the big question, apart from the obvious humanitarian disaster, will this harm or somehow strengthen the junta? is this the beginning of the end of the junta, or will it just let them consolidate more power?
2008-05-09 19:36 < Golbez> quanticle- total.
2008-05-09 19:36 < Sasquatch> ^IXIC = NASDAQ
2008-05-09 19:36 < Golbez> "THE death toll in cyclone-ravaged Burma could hit 500,000 – more than TWICE the total killed by the Boxing Day Tsunami." http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1143691.ece
2008-05-09 19:37 < The359> I did see that the Junta is going ahead with a Consitutional Referendum vote in a few days
2008-05-09 19:37 < The359> even though the country is torn to bits
2008-05-09 19:37 < ThePolecat> Lady Diana Killed All Over Again In Myanmar
2008-05-09 19:37 < The359> so I assume this means the junta will gain from it
2008-05-09 19:37 < ThePolecat> Don't Let Asiatic Storms Into Britain
2008-05-09 19:37 < Alkivar> Sasquatch: it looks like nasdaq was on its way to the bottom when we hit best USD to Euro
2008-05-09 19:37 < Sasquatch> yup yup
2008-05-09 19:37 < Golbez> The359- unless people begin open revolt, if not because of the storm then because of the utter insult of not delaying the referendum
2008-05-09 19:37 < Alkivar> which is rather surprising
2008-05-09 19:37 < quanticle> Golbez: More than 230,000 deaths?
2008-05-09 19:37 < Sasquatch> currency does tend to lag as an economic indicator
2008-05-09 19:37 < Alkivar> people must have been anticipating a strong rebound
2008-05-09 19:38 < Golbez> quanticle- see the article i just linked
2008-05-09 19:38 < The359> I think they delayed it a week in the "hardest hit" areas, Holbez
2008-05-09 19:38 < The359> erm, Golbez
2008-05-09 19:38 < The359> but still
2008-05-09 19:38 < Alkivar> I wouldnt be surprised to see the deathtoll in burma hit 650,000
2008-05-09 19:38 < ThePolecat> Holbeth is the Castilian pronounciation
2008-05-09 19:38 < Alkivar> after all is said and done
2008-05-09 19:38 < The359> it just means not enough people will get to the polls for it to have any effect
2008-05-09 19:38 < ThePolecat> jk
2008-05-09 19:38 < quanticle> Golbez: Right, but that's the Sun...
2008-05-09 19:39 < Golbez> quanticle- which is why i say 'some people say'. =p
2008-05-09 19:39 < quanticle> Golbez: They always exaggerate.
2008-05-09 19:39 < Alkivar> burma is a very dense area, and disease has a tendancy to spread quite quickly in post flood/hurricane 3rd world
2008-05-09 19:39 < Golbez> a city of 6 million people was destroyed. there are probably 15-20 million people total right now who are going hungry, who are injured, who are sick or worse.
2008-05-09 19:39 < Mike_H> nobody I know calls it Burma anymore
2008-05-09 19:39 < Mike_H> except like my dad
2008-05-09 19:39 < Mike_H> but he also calls China "Red China"
2008-05-09 19:39 < Golbez> and desperate people do desperate things
2008-05-09 19:39 < stopxthisxfall> bush called it burma.
2008-05-09 19:40 < ThePolecat> the striking thing is that comparable events in Bangladesh usually aren't nearly as catastrophic
2008-05-09 19:40 < stopxthisxfall> shocking, i'm sure
2008-05-09 19:40 < Mike_H> Bush also says nucular. Your point?
2008-05-09 19:40 < Golbez> and if the junta keeps fucking around, there is going to be a huge backlash
2008-05-09 19:40 < quanticle> To answer your other question, I think that this disaster will allow the junta to consolidate power, at least in the short run. People aren't going to rebel when the junta controls all the food, in addition to the guns.
2008-05-09 19:40 < ThePolecat> Aung San Suu Kyi calls it Burma.
2008-05-09 19:40 < Golbez> and hopefully, the junta will be past-tense.
2008-05-09 19:40 < Mike_H> She can't speak English!
2008-05-09 19:40 < Alkivar> Mike_H: I pronounce it Nucular too
2008-05-09 19:40 < stopxthisxfall> my point?
2008-05-09 19:40 < Mike_H> Alkivar: I bet you also say "carmel"
2008-05-09 19:40 < stopxthisxfall> you said no one you know called it burma...
2008-05-09 19:40 < stopxthisxfall> i was pointing out someone else that does.
2008-05-09 19:40 < Golbez> the legitimate government of the country calls it Burma. The occupying government of the country calls it Myanmar. Choose accordingly.
2008-05-09 19:40 < Alkivar> when referring to the candy? or a place?
2008-05-09 19:40 < Mike_H> former
2008-05-09 19:40 < quanticle> I only call it Burma because its a heck of a lot easier to type than Myanmar.
2008-05-09 19:41 < Alkivar> candy is "caramel" ... a place its "carmel"
2008-05-09 19:41 < Golbez> when using the adjective I always say "Burmese" because I don't know what the adjectival of Myanmar is.
2008-05-09 19:41 < Mike_H> Myanmar...ians
2008-05-09 19:41 < Alkivar> i say burma because i was raised to think of it as burma thanks to shit like The King and I :P
2008-05-09 19:41 < gwern> Myanmarese?
2008-05-09 19:41 < Golbez> we edit
2008-05-09 19:41 < Golbez> for fun
2008-05-09 19:41 < Golbez> we'll never
2008-05-09 19:41 < Mike_H> Alkivar: The King and I
2008-05-09 19:41 < Golbez> be done
2008-05-09 19:41 < Golbez> BURMA SHAVE
2008-05-09 19:41 < Mike_H> that's gayer than me
2008-05-09 19:41 < quanticle> Golbez: That's valid. Just like there is no adjective form of The Netherlands, so you call their people Dutch.
2008-05-09 19:41 < ThePolecat> YO - BURM RUSH THE SHOW
2008-05-09 19:42 < Alkivar> On 18 June 1989, the State Law and Order Restoration Council (SLORC) adopted the name "Union of Myanmar"
2008-05-09 19:42 < Alkivar> so yeah i grew up saying Burma in school anyways
2008-05-09 19:42 < Dutchie> Netherlander? :p
2008-05-09 19:42 < gwern> what a sinister name
2008-05-09 19:42 < Invisible_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_painting&oldid=211363743
2008-05-09 19:42 < Invisible_Cat> awwwwwwwww
2008-05-09 19:42 < quanticle> gwern: Netherlander?
2008-05-09 19:42 < gwern> 'SLORC'
2008-05-09 19:42 < ThePolecat> we say "Niederländer"
2008-05-09 19:42 * gwern slorcs Alkivar's face. mmm
2008-05-09 19:42 < Alkivar> Mike_H: The King and I is a fucking classic ... dont you dare disrespect!
2008-05-09 19:42 < Mike_H> Golbez: Big cyclone
2008-05-09 19:42 < Mike_H> many dead
2008-05-09 19:42 < Mike_H> UN aid
2008-05-09 19:42 < Mike_H> in a
2008-05-09 19:42 < Mike_H> river bed.
2008-05-09 19:42 < Mike_H> BURMA SHAVE
2008-05-09 19:42 < Alkivar> LOL
2008-05-09 19:42 < Dutchie> in dutch it would be Nederlander in any case
2008-05-09 19:42 < Golbez> hah
2008-05-09 19:43 < Golbez> am i allowed to call people from the netherlands Hollandaise?
2008-05-09 19:43 < Alkivar> lol
2008-05-09 19:43 < Alkivar> call em pot heads
2008-05-09 19:43 < Alkivar> they all are... we know it
2008-05-09 19:43 < stopxthisxfall> ..
2008-05-09 19:43 < Dutchie> lies! all lies!
2008-05-09 19:43 < ThePolecat> cheaters, users, two-times-losers, hangin' round the ... nm.
2008-05-09 19:43 < Alkivar> so has the govt made it illegal to sell weed in amsterdam yet?
2008-05-09 19:44 * Dutchie would if he was in the govt.
2008-05-09 19:44 * ThePolecat is out again for this debate
2008-05-09 19:44 < Golbez> i think that, if the junta continues to fuck with aid and, most importantly, *if the people find out about that*, it's all over
2008-05-09 19:44 < Golbez> they will rebel and it will be brutal.
2008-05-09 19:44 < Mike_H> Golbez: Setting sun
2008-05-09 19:44 < ThePolecat> hard to see
2008-05-09 19:44 < Mike_H> rising moon
2008-05-09 19:44 < Mike_H> watch the soldiers
2008-05-09 19:44 < Mike_H> storm Rangoon
2008-05-09 19:44 < Mike_H> BURMA SHAVE
2008-05-09 19:44 < ThePolecat> it's a very restrained culture.
2008-05-09 19:44 < Gracenotes> lol
2008-05-09 19:45 < ThePolecat> they're not a rebel culture like in west Africa or the Arab world.
2008-05-09 19:45 < Golbez> ThePolecat- it's amazing what people will do when they're starving and suffering from any number of post-flood ailments
2008-05-09 19:45 < Golbez> the tsunami countries were generally open to aid, and moved very quickly
2008-05-09 19:45 < quanticle> Golbez: I don't think so. At this point the government controls both the guns and the food. The people know that they have to go along, at least for now. Later on there may be rebellion because of this, but not in the short run.
2008-05-09 19:45 < ThePolecat> Let's see :-)
2008-05-09 19:45 < Golbez> this one, not so much.
2008-05-09 19:45 < Mike_H> Burma Shave poetry is just so easy to do when the regime is despotic.
2008-05-09 19:45 < ThePolecat> Fatigue shouldn't be underestimated.
2008-05-09 19:46 < ThePolecat> as a factor
2008-05-09 19:46 < ThePolecat> and business.
2008-05-09 19:46 < ThePolecat> or rather, "busyness"
2008-05-09 19:47 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Neither should the influence of having food, water, and shelter. Any rebel movement would be in serious danger of being infiltrated at this point, since the government can hold back basic necessities from those it deems to be subversive.
2008-05-09 19:47 < ThePolecat> yea...
2008-05-09 19:47 < Golbez> i'm trying to remember... when was the last time a massive natural disaster hit a despotic country? i mean a singular one, not a spread-out one like a famine. one that was visible to the whole world.
2008-05-09 19:47 < quanticle> Golbez: Arguably, this is the first time.
2008-05-09 19:48 < Sfan00> Hello
2008-05-09 19:48 < Golbez> hm
2008-05-09 19:48 < Golbez> you might be right
2008-05-09 19:48 < quanticle> Golbez: I certainly don't remember any sort of visible natural disaster striking a despotic country in the era of the 24-hour news cycle.
2008-05-09 19:48 < ThePolecat> there were a couple of earthquakes on a massive scale in Mao's China.
2008-05-09 19:49 < ThePolecat> and of course Chernobyl
2008-05-09 19:49 < Sfan00> hi
2008-05-09 19:49 < Golbez> the 1976 Tangshan Earthquake
2008-05-09 19:49 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Not to mention the dam failures that killed 62,000 in one night.
2008-05-09 19:49 < Sfan00> Chernobyls a good example
2008-05-09 19:49 < Golbez> and the 1975 Banqaio Dam failure
2008-05-09 19:49 < Golbez> chernobyl was neither massive, nor natural
2008-05-09 19:49 < quanticle> Golbez: Right, that's what it was called.
2008-05-09 19:49 < Sfan00> and whata bout the 1984 Ethiopian famnie?
2008-05-09 19:49 < Sfan00> *famine
2008-05-09 19:49 < ThePolecat> for northern Europe, the catastrophic winter of 1978/79.
2008-05-09 19:49 < quanticle> Sfan00: I think we excluded famines.
2008-05-09 19:50 < Golbez> Sfan00- i said before you came in:
2008-05-09 19:50 < Golbez> i'm trying to remember... when was the last time a massive natural disaster hit a despotic country? i mean a singular one, not a spread-out one like a famine. one that was visible to the whole world.
2008-05-09 19:50 < quanticle> Sfan00: We're looking at point disasters, not spread out ones like famines.
2008-05-09 19:50 < Sfan00> OK
2008-05-09 19:50 < ThePolecat> where people actually came very close to freezing to death in the GDR while the leadership lay in the Cuban sun
2008-05-09 19:50 < Sfan00> You mean like major flooding for example?
2008-05-09 19:50 < Golbez> right
2008-05-09 19:50 < Alkivar> uhm... didnt a hurricane hit Columbia?
2008-05-09 19:50 < Golbez> a quake, a flood, a cyclone, etc
2008-05-09 19:50 < Alkivar> back in the 80s
2008-05-09 19:50 < quanticle> Sfan00: Floods, earthquakes, fires, etc.
2008-05-09 19:50 < Alkivar> and cause severe damage?
2008-05-09 19:50 < ThePolecat> Colombia hasn't been a dictatorship for quite some time.
2008-05-09 19:51 < Alkivar> as i recall columbia was a dictatorship in the 1980s
2008-05-09 19:51 < Golbez> Alkivar- physically impossible. =p
2008-05-09 19:51 < quanticle> ThePolecat: It might have been during the '80s.
2008-05-09 19:51 < Sfan00> BTW when did this channel suddenly become sane again?
2008-05-09 19:51 < ThePolecat> no comment.
2008-05-09 19:51 < Sfan00> It's a lot quieter now :)
2008-05-09 19:51 < Alkivar> Sfan00: its not sane... just give it a few... eeeega goooba afasdasdaaaaaaa
2008-05-09 19:51 < Golbez> colombia is too far south to be hit by any strong hurricane
2008-05-09 19:51 < ThePolecat> Nicaragua maybe
2008-05-09 19:52 < Golbez> oh wait
2008-05-09 19:52 < Golbez> beta
2008-05-09 19:52 < Golbez> but 2005 was insane all around
2008-05-09 19:52 < ThePolecat> under either Ortega or the Contras
2008-05-09 19:52 < Golbez> and it didn't hit mainland Colombia anyway
2008-05-09 19:54 < Alkivar> no it was Nicaragua
2008-05-09 19:54 < Alkivar> not Columbia
2008-05-09 19:54 < Alkivar> Hurricane Joan
2008-05-09 19:54 < Alkivar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Joan-Miriam
2008-05-09 19:54 < ThePolecat> at least right-wing dictators generally let in US help
2008-05-09 19:55 * Mike_H NP: Soul II Soul - Back to Life (However Do You Want Me) (1989)
2008-05-09 19:55 < Mike_H> Alkivar: however do you want me
2008-05-09 19:55 < Mike_H> however do you need me
2008-05-09 19:55 < SynergeticMag> quanticle: that topic is not funny!
2008-05-09 19:55 < Alkivar> lol love that song
2008-05-09 19:55 * ThePolecat listens to Big Star - El Goodo
2008-05-09 19:56 * ThePolecat is a rather big fan of Alex Chilton
2008-05-09 19:56 * Alkivar goes digging for his Soul II Soul collection
2008-05-09 19:56 < Golbez> ~i came a long way to see you, now i wish you were dead~
2008-05-09 19:56 < ThePolecat> brb, need to set an alarm
2008-05-09 19:58 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: What would you rather the topic be?
2008-05-09 19:59 < SynergeticMag> i was being sarcastic
2008-05-09 19:59 < SynergeticMag> because of #wikipeidia-en
2008-05-09 19:59 < SynergeticMag> ;p
2008-05-09 19:59 < ThePolecat> What's wrong with a little insanity every now and then?
2008-05-09 20:00 < Alkivar> BETTAR?
2008-05-09 20:00 < quanticle> Alkivar: We haven't gone insane yet. After all, Monobi hasn't shown up.
2008-05-09 20:00 < Alkivar> WELL IS IT?
2008-05-09 20:00 < Alkivar> Monobi is here dude
2008-05-09 20:00 * SynergeticMag backs away slowly
2008-05-09 20:00 < gwern> ThePolecat: a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest of men
2008-05-09 20:00 < Alkivar> pay attention
2008-05-09 20:00 < SynergeticMag> sure it is, Alkivar
2008-05-09 20:01 < Alkivar> gwern: who does that quote actually attribute to?
2008-05-09 20:01 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat appreciates the status message, no?
2008-05-09 20:01 < Alkivar> i only know it because of willy wonka
2008-05-09 20:01 < gwern> Alkivar: Dumbledore, iirc
2008-05-09 20:01 < Ceiling_Cat> huh?
2008-05-09 20:01 < gwern> or was it willy wonka?
2008-05-09 20:01 * Ceiling_Cat is confused
2008-05-09 20:01 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: /topic
2008-05-09 20:01 * gwern has a memory like an elephant
2008-05-09 20:01 < gwern> or did I mean 'sieve'?
2008-05-09 20:01 < ThePolecat> Willy Vodka and the Liquor Factory
2008-05-09 20:02 * SynergeticMag stabs ceiling_cat with his new cat-like nails
2008-05-09 20:02 < Alkivar> it was in the first charlie and the chocolate factory movie... gene wilder delivered it in song
2008-05-09 20:02 < quanticle> gwern: Now, did Willy Wonka steal the quote from Dumbledore, or vice versa?
2008-05-09 20:02 < Alkivar> "a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men"
2008-05-09 20:02 * Ceiling_Cat has a perfect memory
2008-05-09 20:02 * Ceiling_Cat can remember everytime anyone has ever fapped
2008-05-09 20:02 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Your brain must be like a huge database of pr0n
2008-05-09 20:02 * ThePolecat reads the word "steakholder" and chuckles
2008-05-09 20:02 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Gay pr0n, no less.
2008-05-09 20:03 < Alkivar> as i recall the line was delivered to Mike TeeVee's mom in the movie
2008-05-09 20:03 < gwern> quanticle: well, dumbledore can kickass more than willy wonka, so the answer is obvious
2008-05-09 20:03 < Mike_H> <quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Gay pr0n, no less.
2008-05-09 20:03 < Mike_H> HAWT
2008-05-09 20:03 < Messedrocker> OUCH! WHAT DO YOU DO?
2008-05-09 20:03 < Alkivar> Willy Wonka: A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
2008-05-09 20:03 < Alkivar> imdb backs me for 1971 movie
2008-05-09 20:03 < quanticle> Ok. Now we're insane
2008-05-09 20:04 < quanticle> Collectively, that is...
2008-05-09 20:04 < Alkivar> quanticle: what group of humans isnt collectively at least a little bit insane?
2008-05-09 20:04 < quanticle> Alkivar: The ones that are in the graveyard?