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2008-05-09 17:36 < ybit> thanks for the tip gwern and thanks for the link Golbez
2008-05-09 17:36 < Sfan00> You may wish to not edit Wikimedia projects for a bit ybit
2008-05-09 17:36 < [twisti]> i tried to make a template to display a headline, an image, and below that, a variable amount of extra lines
2008-05-09 17:36 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 and our trucks are actually bigger than yours, because we use conventionals, not cabovers. cabovers have almost completely dissapeared in the US...
2008-05-09 17:36 < Golbez> np
2008-05-09 17:36 < [twisti]> my (failed) attempt is here:
2008-05-09 17:36 < Sfan00> Next week is going to be intresting :(
2008-05-09 17:36 < ybit> oi Sfan00
2008-05-09 17:36 < [twisti]> http://twisti.brokenmacro.com/darktidewiki/index.php?title=Twisti
2008-05-09 17:36 < Gracenotes> variability not allowed in MediaWiki :)
2008-05-09 17:37 < Leslie_S> theyre like 70 feet long, and they way up to 80,000lb
2008-05-09 17:37 < Leslie_S> and im allowed to drive that!
2008-05-09 17:37 < Gracenotes> no for loops or repetition constructs
2008-05-09 17:37 < [twisti]> what i want is that "Maulfaule, 1-190" is on line 1, "Twisti al-Mage, 1-150" is on line two, etc
2008-05-09 17:37 < [twisti]> with variable amounts of lines, some people will only have 1 or 2 there, some will have ten or more
2008-05-09 17:37 < Monobi> [twisti], do <br />
2008-05-09 17:37 < Gracenotes> the best thing to do for templates is have one variable after another.
2008-05-09 17:37 < Monobi> Oh, let me look
2008-05-09 17:38 < [twisti]> i have public editing turned off, but if you want to test, tell me your username and ill give you edit rights
2008-05-09 17:38 < Sfan00> In fact owing to some disgraceful conduct by some people, it may be wise if the community , other than ongoing vandal fighting doesn't edit for a bit
2008-05-09 17:38 < Gracenotes> [twisti]: just use one variable after another. {{{char1}}}, {{{char2}}}, {{{char3}}}, {{{char4}}}, {{{char5}}}, etc.
2008-05-09 17:39 < [twisti]> use it where/how ?
2008-05-09 17:39 < [twisti]> like that in the template ?
2008-05-09 17:39 < Gracenotes> one for each line. yeah. if you have ParserFunctions installed you can make the display of each variable optional
2008-05-09 17:39 < [twisti]> how do i do that ?
2008-05-09 17:39 < Gracenotes> it doesn't look like you have it
2008-05-09 17:40 < Gracenotes> see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#Installation
2008-05-09 17:40 < Gracenotes> you will need access to the filesystem hosting the wiki, though
2008-05-09 17:41 < [twistii]> [2008/05/09 23:39:23] <[twisti]> is there a way to use <br /> inside a variable ? i tried it but it broke the template
2008-05-09 17:41 < [twistii]> nm, got it
2008-05-09 17:41 < [twistii]> thanks for your help
2008-05-09 17:41 < [twistii]> ill go the ugly way for now
2008-05-09 17:42 < Gracenotes> uh. okay.
2008-05-09 17:43 < Sfan00> How does one organise an edit Boycott?
2008-05-09 17:43 < Gracenotes> editing what?
2008-05-09 17:43 * ThePolecat_ NP: Bob Dylan - Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues (1962)
2008-05-09 17:43 < Gracenotes> first you need a mass of consumers with a common ideology and inclination to action
2008-05-09 17:44 < Sfan00> Gracenotes an organised non-edit of Wikipedia (other than fixing vanadalism)
2008-05-09 17:44 < Monobi> s/organised/organized/
2008-05-09 17:44 < Gracenotes> the point being?
2008-05-09 17:44 < Sfan00> If what's being alleged about the conduct of certain people on Wikipedia is true, then I am very angry indeed
2008-05-09 17:44 * ThePolecat_ loved the "boycott" of French goods by buying them en masse and pouring them into the sewer
2008-05-09 17:45 < Tesfan> Hey, um, does anybody know the page name that has a list of bad deletion arguments? >.>
2008-05-09 17:45 < Aqwis> is Sfan00 on his Moralism Crusade again?
2008-05-09 17:45 < Gracenotes> Sfan00: well, I'm sure you can get the hoi palloi in a pique with "alleged" actions of "certain" not-to-be-named individuals
2008-05-09 17:45 < Aqwis> Moralism Crusade IV: Return of the Image Deletionism
2008-05-09 17:45 < Sfan00> Aqwis: Not this time...
2008-05-09 17:46 < Gracenotes> Sfan00: you'll probably have to name them first, though.
2008-05-09 17:46 < ThePolecat_> Gracenotes: It's how the Daily Register gets its traffic.
2008-05-09 17:46 < Sfan00> Some conservative journal is claming that Wikipedis may have breached fedral obscenity laws...
2008-05-09 17:46 < ThePolecat_> Aqwis: It never fails.
2008-05-09 17:46 < Gracenotes> Tesfan: [[WP:AADD]] is the oft-cited page
2008-05-09 17:47 < Tesfan> ahh, thanks =)
2008-05-09 17:47 < DGNeree> oh... sorry, wrong language :p
2008-05-09 17:47 * ThePolecat_ is NP: Merle Haggard - If We Make It Thru December
2008-05-09 17:47 < DGNeree> byebye :)
2008-05-09 17:48 < Sfan00> The problem is that because Wikipedia doesn't have a 'no-porn' policy as such, sometimes images that probably shouldn't be in Wikipedia, end up in
2008-05-09 17:48 < Sfan00> it
2008-05-09 17:48 < quanticle|away> Sfan00: So how will *not* editing Wikipedia fix things?
2008-05-09 17:48 < Sfan00> quanticle: I said vandalism fixiing was OK...
2008-05-09 17:48 < ThePolecat_> Okay, not that shit again.
2008-05-09 17:48 < ThePolecat_> Brb.
2008-05-09 17:48 < Sfan00> Removing 'problem' images is fixing vandalism
2008-05-09 17:48 * ThePolecat_ won't listen to that until evidence is submitted.
2008-05-09 17:49 < quanticle> Sfan00: Right, but how does not editing fix any of the other problems?
2008-05-09 17:49 < Gracenotes> Sfan00: that's the sort of logic people fail RFAs for...
2008-05-09 17:49 < Monobi> quanticle, I encourage all admins to stop admin actions from May 10th until May 12th
2008-05-09 17:49 < quanticle> ThePolecat_: Listen to what?
2008-05-09 17:49 < Monobi> Then the Foundation will see how much we matter
2008-05-09 17:49 < Monobi> We'll show them who needs who
2008-05-09 17:49 < Sfan00> an Edit Boycott would be a boycott of improving articles beyond 'mantinence' edits
2008-05-09 17:49 < quanticle> Monobi: Ah. So this is a boycott...
2008-05-09 17:49 < ThePolecat_> to alleged moral assaults on the wider world through Wikipedia.
2008-05-09 17:49 < Gracenotes> Sfan00: you can, however, utilize a common on-wiki tactic to push an agenda, which is that of the psuedo-SPA
2008-05-09 17:49 < Sfan00> Whats an SPA?
2008-05-09 17:50 < Gracenotes> while editing other articles, the primary purpose of your account will be to save Wikipedia from the smut that endangers it
2008-05-09 17:50 < Monobi> Sfan00, I encourage you to not do anything directly to Wikipedia, otherwise the Kangaroo Court will ban you
2008-05-09 17:50 < Gracenotes> >Single-Purpose Account
2008-05-09 17:51 < ThePolecat_> o.o the level of this discussion is so unconstructive and just plain odd that I can't add anything to it.
2008-05-09 17:51 < Sfan00> Monobi: I wouldn't even ever think of using a troll account to vandalise
2008-05-09 17:51 < Monobi> s/vandalise/vandalize/
2008-05-09 17:51 < Sfan00> In fact I am inclined to take the same views as Polecat... act on the evidence...
2008-05-09 17:51 < Sfan00> (and what the US laws demand)
2008-05-09 17:51 < ThePolecat_> Monobi: American spelling is only one of several.
2008-05-09 17:51 < Monobi> Sfan00, I mean, speak out against the Kangaroo Court on Wikipedia
2008-05-09 17:51 < Monobi> ThePolecat_, yes, only one of several that is correct
2008-05-09 17:51 < ThePolecat_> Sfan00: Then do it and stop the pearl-clutching.
2008-05-09 17:52 < Sfan00> Monobi: I know only to weel what cabals can do ...
2008-05-09 17:52 < ThePolecat_> Present evidence before you talk.
2008-05-09 17:52 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-09 17:52 < quanticle> The thing is, how much does Wikipedia matter, in the world as a whole? If Wikipedia went away tomorrow, would anyone really care?
2008-05-09 17:52 < ThePolecat_> Yes.
2008-05-09 17:52 < ThePolecat_> Definitely.
2008-05-09 17:52 < Sfan00> quanticle: Yes
2008-05-09 17:52 < Gracenotes> Monobi, for those watching at home, is Kurt's unofficial meatpuppet on all issues related to Wikipedia governance. </PSA>
2008-05-09 17:52 < Aqwis> nonono
2008-05-09 17:52 < quanticle> ThePolecat_: Well, we would, but, would any significant number of people notice?
2008-05-09 17:52 < Sfan00> You know what happens when the servers go down
2008-05-09 17:52 < Aqwis> monobi is Ayn Rand's sockpuppet
2008-05-09 17:52 < Aqwis> ;o
2008-05-09 17:53 < ThePolecat_> Yes they would.
2008-05-09 17:53 < Monobi> Aqwis, I don't fully like Ayn Rand
2008-05-09 17:53 < Gracenotes> wait... so who's the sockpuppeteer?
2008-05-09 17:53 < quanticle> ThePolecat_: I used to think that, but I'm not so sure anymore.
2008-05-09 17:53 < Monobi> Particularly her view on Religion
2008-05-09 17:53 < ThePolecat_> AYN LIVES
2008-05-09 17:53 < ThePolecat_> cantankerous people always have a long shelflife.
2008-05-09 17:53 * Sfan00 burns his tinfoil hat...
2008-05-09 17:53 < Monobi> Gracenotes, I'd rather be right than wrong
2008-05-09 17:53 < Sfan00> Monobi: Or left rather than wrong? ;)
2008-05-09 17:54 < ThePolecat_> that sounds like "right" was a-priori.
2008-05-09 17:54 < Gracenotes> Monobi: the firmer you are in the view that you are dogmatically right, the more wrong you probably are.
2008-05-09 17:54 < Monobi> ThePolecat_, right as in correct
2008-05-09 17:54 < ThePolecat_> oh, now I know what was meant with the Ayn reference
2008-05-09 17:54 < quanticle> Gracenotes: Indeed. Doubt everything, as Descartes did.
2008-05-09 17:54 < ThePolecat_> the touching faith in the notion of "correctness" in worldview.
2008-05-09 17:54 < Monobi> Gracenotes, of course not, otherwise all politicians are wrong because they think they are correct
2008-05-09 17:55 < Sfan00> Next week is going to be intresting :(
2008-05-09 17:55 < Sfan00> As in the Chinese proverb
2008-05-09 17:55 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 so im a little bit intimidated about driving that thing
2008-05-09 17:55 < Sfan00> Don't you get training?
2008-05-09 17:55 < quanticle> So anyway, all IRC rabble rousing aside, do we really have any sort of support for a boycott? Of course not.
2008-05-09 17:55 < Sfan00> quanticle : Good ;)
2008-05-09 17:55 < Monobi> quanticle, of course not, but we need to get it
2008-05-09 17:55 * ThePolecat_ has no cause for boycott first of all
2008-05-09 17:56 < Aqwis> lulz, boycott
2008-05-09 17:56 < Aqwis> dream on!
2008-05-09 17:56 < Monobi> The more we discuss it, the more likely it will take place
2008-05-09 17:56 < ThePolecat> Though it's hard to tell
2008-05-09 17:56 < quanticle> Monobi: You can go get it if you want. I personally don't care, and will laugh at your feeble attempts. :)
2008-05-09 17:56 < Sfan00> Well I can think of several reasons for a non disruptive improvemtn boycott
2008-05-09 17:56 < quanticle> :D
2008-05-09 17:56 < ThePolecat> Though you're fooling yourself/dream on
2008-05-09 17:56 < Sfan00> Not that it would have any impact on the Cabals :(
2008-05-09 17:56 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-09 17:56 * Sfan00 burns the second tin-foil hat
2008-05-09 17:56 < Aqwis> you are part of a cabal
2008-05-09 17:57 < ThePolecat> improvements don't happen by doing nothing
2008-05-09 17:57 < Aqwis> the moralism cabal
2008-05-09 17:57 < ThePolecat> au contraire, "bad people" get a freer playing field
2008-05-09 17:57 < quanticle> Sfan00: Precisely the point I'm trying to make. The vast majority of Wikipedians don't hang out here, so they won't know. And, furthermore, the "cabals" will actively work against you. Finally, I'm not sure a boycott would actually improve anything. It smacks of retreat to me.
2008-05-09 17:57 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Indeed.
2008-05-09 17:58 < Monobi> quanticle, of course not. If the community tells the foundation to screw off because they're being idiots, then they are forced to at least give some input to the community
2008-05-09 17:58 < ThePolecat> boycotts only work when you're on the outside to begin with
2008-05-09 17:58 < Monobi> Otherwise they don't get their money
2008-05-09 17:58 < quanticle> Monobi: If you're not talking (which is the entire point of the boycott), you're not telling the Foundation *anything*.
2008-05-09 17:58 < ThePolecat> oh, boycott of fundraising?
2008-05-09 17:59 < ThePolecat> I could see that happening.
2008-05-09 17:59 < Monobi> quanticle, you don't have to verbally talk
2008-05-09 17:59 < Sfan00> Thats not what I was usggesting
2008-05-09 17:59 < ThePolecat> that's one thing I personally support.
2008-05-09 17:59 < Sfan00> My suggestion was in a effect a freeze on non mantinence edits
2008-05-09 17:59 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Arguably that already happened, when the Wikimedia fundraiser was a horrible failure.
2008-05-09 17:59 < ThePolecat> I think the Foundation spends way too much money on non-related activity.
2008-05-09 17:59 < Monobi> Sfan00, a freeze on all admin actions
2008-05-09 17:59 < Sfan00> but as has been said it would be pointless and not achive anything
2008-05-09 17:59 < ThePolecat> Rightfully so.
2008-05-09 17:59 < Sfan00> Monobi: Hmm
2008-05-09 18:00 < Sfan00> That would allow vandals free reign and be highly dangerous
2008-05-09 18:00 < Monobi> Good
2008-05-09 18:00 < cremepuff222> There is only one solution.
2008-05-09 18:00 < ThePolecat> Much of the foundation's money doesn't go in WMF project maintenance but in self-aggrandizement projects
2008-05-09 18:00 < Monobi> Then the foundation can deal with it
2008-05-09 18:00 < cremepuff222> Freeze all actions.
2008-05-09 18:00 < Monobi> Because they want to
2008-05-09 18:00 < ThePolecat> like showing the world's disadvantaged the wiki idea
2008-05-09 18:00 < ThePolecat> or something
2008-05-09 18:00 < quanticle> Frankly, though, having a fundraising boycott is dangerous. Its rather a bit like punching holes in the bottom of the boat simply because you don't like the captain.
2008-05-09 18:00 < ThePolecat> Well, connected to demands about the personel.
2008-05-09 18:01 < Sfan00> Monobi: You are not seriously suggesting that admins should encourage criminal damge of the wiki to prove a point...
2008-05-09 18:01 < Sfan00> ?
2008-05-09 18:01 < ThePolecat> stop the law talk.
2008-05-09 18:01 < Monobi> Sfan00, I am saying they should not use their tools
2008-05-09 18:01 * cremepuff222 huggles Monobi.
2008-05-09 18:01 < quanticle> Sfan00: First of all, Wikirules are not law.
2008-05-09 18:02 < ThePolecat> the misappropriation of donations is pretty much the only thing I'm worried about right now that could be remedied with less funding.
2008-05-09 18:02 < Sfan00> Oh really? Tell that to some admins ;)
2008-05-09 18:02 * cremepuff222 is admin.
2008-05-09 18:02 < quanticle> Sfan00: Second of all, that's not quite what he's proposing. A freeze in the enforcement of a rule is not an incitement to break the rule.
2008-05-09 18:02 < Sfan00> quanticle: You mean like a work to rule?
2008-05-09 18:02 < quanticle> Sfan00: Perhaps more along the analogy of a strike.
2008-05-09 18:02 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-05-09 18:03 < Sfan00> Police don't go on strike
2008-05-09 18:03 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: Uh...isn't that what you suggested?
2008-05-09 18:03 < quanticle> Sfan00: Only because they are barred from doing so by law.
2008-05-09 18:03 < ThePolecat> or am I getting things wrong?
2008-05-09 18:03 < cremepuff222> enuf
2008-05-09 18:03 < cremepuff222> Hi Bjelleklang. :-)
2008-05-09 18:03 < Sfan00> No , what i was suggesting was a 'freeze' on improvments and new article creation
2008-05-09 18:03 < ThePolecat> oh..
2008-05-09 18:03 < Bjelleklang> hi there
2008-05-09 18:03 < Sfan00> Not a 'freeze' on fixing vandalisim
2008-05-09 18:04 < Sfan00> or NPOV , licensing etc
2008-05-09 18:04 < quanticle> Sfan00: No. Such a freeze in unenforceable.
2008-05-09 18:04 < quanticle> *is
2008-05-09 18:04 < ThePolecat> if the good people stop creating articles, only bad people will create articles.
2008-05-09 18:04 < Sfan00> Which would get dealt with by fixing vandalsims
2008-05-09 18:04 * ThePolecat still has no idea what it is we're protesting against
2008-05-09 18:04 * cremepuff222 suggests change in topic.
2008-05-09 18:04 < bumm13> B-movies!
2008-05-09 18:05 < quanticle> Sfan00: The closest you can get is to have a freeze of all edits by influential editors, leaving the vandalfighting to the masses.
2008-05-09 18:05 < cremepuff222> GOOD PLAN
2008-05-09 18:05 < Tesfan> what did the wikimedia foundation do?
2008-05-09 18:05 < Sfan00> ThePolecat: I've lost the will to continue to ranting
2008-05-09 18:05 < ThePolecat> it's sort of like 70s/80s leftwing movements, rouse rabble first, make up your mind later
2008-05-09 18:05 < ThePolecat> I applaud that.
2008-05-09 18:05 < Sfan00> Anyway sorry for ranting people
2008-05-09 18:05 < Sfan00> Tesfan: It's not so much the Foundation did as what it didn't do
2008-05-09 18:05 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Its charming, in a, "What the hell are you thinking," sort of way.
2008-05-09 18:05 < Tesfan> ahhh
2008-05-09 18:05 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-05-09 18:06 < Sfan00> Like making sure that certain on-wiki policy was steamtight....
2008-05-09 18:06 * ThePolecat doesn't quite know what, but I PROTEST IT STERNLY
2008-05-09 18:06 * quanticle lulz on principle at Internet rabble rousing, because, to this day, I've only seen one instance where Internet rabble rousing changed a decision in the real world, and that was Digg's reversal of its decision to block the HD-DVD decryption key.
2008-05-09 18:07 < Messedrocker> 09 F9, mother fucker!
2008-05-09 18:07 < ThePolecat> This channel reverted to off-topic conversation after popular protest
2008-05-09 18:07 < Sfan00> quanticle: The current issues appear to be the percived lack of accountability of certian orgnisations on wiki
2008-05-09 18:07 < Messedrocker> ThePolecat, this channel is not in the real world
2008-05-09 18:07 < ThePolecat> (and yours truly got banned then and boycotted for a month)
2008-05-09 18:07 < ThePolecat> True.
2008-05-09 18:07 < Sfan00> And the attacks on it's integrity by certain groups
2008-05-09 18:07 < Gracenotes> quanticle: the masses got a bit of a rush to the head that day...
2008-05-09 18:08 < Aqwis> accountability, yawn
2008-05-09 18:08 < Gracenotes> we have yet to see the effects of the Scientology protests, if any
2008-05-09 18:08 < quanticle> Gracenotes: It was simultaneously heady and terrifying. If Wikipedia ever descends to that kind of mob rule, then truly, the vandals have won.
2008-05-09 18:08 < Messedrocker> L Ron Hubbard will die? Oh wait
2008-05-09 18:08 < Sfan00> Well the Germans are still investigating the Scientolgists
2008-05-09 18:08 < Aqwis> the VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM.
2008-05-09 18:08 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 yes, i have training
2008-05-09 18:08 < quanticle> Gracenotes: That's true, because Scientology's online presence is minimal.
2008-05-09 18:08 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 but im to the point where training is ....getting in a truck and driving it.
2008-05-09 18:08 < ThePolecat> Scientology opponents and peaceful anti-Nazi demonstrators alike get better deals in protection now, that's the result here in Germany
2008-05-09 18:09 < Messedrocker> you need anti-Nazi protests in germany?
2008-05-09 18:09 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Just a tractor, or a full rig?
2008-05-09 18:09 < ThePolecat> (because both certain Nazi groups and the Scientologists have huge databases and photograph their opponents)
2008-05-09 18:09 < Leslie_S> quanticle fulll rig.
2008-05-09 18:09 < ThePolecat> We do.
2008-05-09 18:09 < Gracenotes> so people didn't go into Scientology stores of Britain for one day. Terrible loss.
2008-05-09 18:09 < Sfan00> Messedrocker : Do you even need to ask that question?
2008-05-09 18:09 < quanticle> Messedrocker: You'd be surprised.
2008-05-09 18:09 < Leslie_S> and uh, was that sfan that even asked the question?
2008-05-09 18:09 < quanticle> Leslie_S: O_O Good luck.
2008-05-09 18:10 < Leslie_S> yup
2008-05-09 18:10 < Leslie_S> quanticle see, the main thing to learn is backin the damn thing up, thats the hard part.
2008-05-09 18:10 < gwern> Messedrocker: L Ron Hubbard never died! he just abandoned his body
2008-05-09 18:11 < Messedrocker> gwern, like jesus christ?
2008-05-09 18:11 < Tesfan> heh.
2008-05-09 18:11 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Yeah, since you can jacknife when backing up, correct?
2008-05-09 18:11 < Leslie_S> quanticle and then theres hooking up the tractor and trailer, unhooking, pre-trip inspection, and wide turns..
2008-05-09 18:11 < ThePolecat> and there's a nasty org called anti-antifa (anti anti-fascists) who keep rather large and meticulous databases about their opponents.
2008-05-09 18:11 < Sfan00> Messedrocker: The far-right has seen a resurgence in Germany... particuarlaly in the former Eastern bloc
2008-05-09 18:11 < Leslie_S> quanticle its pretty hard, since youre going so slow.
2008-05-09 18:11 * gwern believes it is catholic dogma that jesus died
2008-05-09 18:11 < Messedrocker> ThePolecat, reminds me of Wikipedia Watch
2008-05-09 18:11 < Leslie_S> quanticle its just, you have to know how to get the trailer where you want it.
2008-05-09 18:11 < Messedrocker> Sfan00, and the far right in Germany consists of gassing Jews?
2008-05-09 18:11 < Leslie_S> quanticle most jackknifiing is from locking up the brakes
2008-05-09 18:11 < gwern> I mean, i Jesus didn't die, the resurrection is nothing to get excited about
2008-05-09 18:12 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Well, yeah.
2008-05-09 18:12 < ThePolecat> No, it consists of beating up people who are not bald and ugly.
2008-05-09 18:12 < Mike2> what happened to Newyorkbrad? :(
2008-05-09 18:12 < Messedrocker> that's very unfortunte
2008-05-09 18:12 < Sfan00> ThePolecat: Intresting, especially given that the Scientology links Nazi attrocities into it's propoganda in places...
2008-05-09 18:12 < gwern> Mike2: quit
2008-05-09 18:12 < ThePolecat> oh, they're quite irony-resistant.
2008-05-09 18:12 < quanticle> Sfan00: Wait, what?
2008-05-09 18:12 < ThePolecat> quanticle: Well, they draw Nazi-Psychiatry parallels.
2008-05-09 18:12 < Messedrocker> Mike2, WikiExtortion got in his way
2008-05-09 18:13 < Sfan00> What is WikiExtortion?
2008-05-09 18:13 < Messedrocker> Extortion, on Wikipedia
2008-05-09 18:13 < ThePolecat> the blackmail everyone can perpetrate!
2008-05-09 18:13 < quanticle> ThePolecat: They compare psychologists to Nazis? Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given that it is Scientology.
2008-05-09 18:13 < Tesfan> heh
2008-05-09 18:13 < ThePolecat> Indeed you shouldn't.
2008-05-09 18:14 < ThePolecat> it's still astonishing the distance from the world they are in.
2008-05-09 18:14 < ThePolecat> so no blame
2008-05-09 18:16 < Messedrocker> Ben Stein likens scientists to Nazis
2008-05-09 18:16 < Sfan00> #Wikipedia - Within 48 hours , Nazis, furries, CoS and porn will all be mentioned... :(
2008-05-09 18:16 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Meh. That's just Ben Stein though.
2008-05-09 18:16 < Messedrocker> He's such a mOrOn! I'm surprised evolution hasn't killed him off ;)
2008-05-09 18:16 < Gracenotes> Sfan00: we're already covered everything there except furries.
2008-05-09 18:17 < Messedrocker> I DON'T UNDERSTAND FURRIES OR THEIR MOTIVATION
2008-05-09 18:17 < Messedrocker> ok, furries have been mentioned
2008-05-09 18:17 < Messedrocker> quanticle, to whom are you pointing that gun at?
2008-05-09 18:17 * Gracenotes shames Messedrocker for thinking that evolution applies to individuals rather than populations
2008-05-09 18:17 < Gracenotes> or satirizing the viewpoint thereof. the igominy...
2008-05-09 18:17 < Messedrocker> Gracenotes, I don't. In fact I have it on good authority that evolution doesn't apply to humans, on account of medicine
2008-05-09 18:17 < Messedrocker> Medicine has precluded natural selection
2008-05-09 18:18 < ThePolecat> As I said, all discussions on Wikipedia end in any of four topics, sex crime, presidential politics, Jimbo or soap operas.
2008-05-09 18:18 < Sfan00> Messedrocker: Don't worry, the man with the Gun is protection fo your democratic right to be subjgated in pursit of the common good
2008-05-09 18:18 < Messedrocker> Ben Stein's a Wikipedian?
2008-05-09 18:18 < Gracenotes> quanticle: dearlordhowunreasonableofyou
2008-05-09 18:18 < Gracenotes> D:
2008-05-09 18:18 < quanticle> I figured that, as long as we have a status bar, someone should update it
2008-05-09 18:18 < Messedrocker> Tony Sidaway is a man from Britain!
2008-05-09 18:18 < Messedrocker> OHMYGAWD GOSSIP
2008-05-09 18:18 < Tesfan> ThePolecat: What about a soap opera where Jimbo commits a sex crime because of the presidential politics?
2008-05-09 18:19 < ThePolecat> Why don't law students get a drink?
2008-05-09 18:19 < quanticle> Messedrocker: It was already there. That was a part of the topic that I didn't change.
2008-05-09 18:19 < ThePolecat> They're not yet admitted to the bar.
2008-05-09 18:19 < quanticle> I just changed the status to "Medium":
2008-05-09 18:19 < Messedrocker> a soap opera where Jimbo has sex with George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton in a hot threesome?
2008-05-09 18:19 < Sfan00> Tesfan: Erm WP:BLP please
2008-05-09 18:19 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: well, to a certain extent. But usually society expects that those with AIDS don't reproduce - in most parts of America, anyway.
2008-05-09 18:19 < Gracenotes> or use non-coital means to do so
2008-05-09 18:19 < Tesfan> heh
2008-05-09 18:19 < ThePolecat> Brb.
2008-05-09 18:20 < Phoenixwi> An Englishman is a person who does things because they have been done before. An American is a person who does things because they haven't been done before. - Mark Twain
2008-05-09 18:20 < Sfan00> Some in America would prefer that reproduction was policed by the Government :(
2008-05-09 18:20 < Phoenixwi> XD
2008-05-09 18:20 * ThePolecat uses total non-coital means to earn a new drink
2008-05-09 18:20 < Phoenixwi> Sfan00, that's ridiculous
2008-05-09 18:20 * quanticle congratulates ThePolecat on not screwing the fridge this time
2008-05-09 18:20 < Tesfan> nah, not really
2008-05-09 18:20 < Tesfan> it's helped china
2008-05-09 18:20 < Sfan00> Phooneixwi: Doesn't stop the groups wanting Govt control of screwing people ;)
2008-05-09 18:20 < Messedrocker> by making it sexually unbalanced?
2008-05-09 18:21 < Messedrocker> how does that help
2008-05-09 18:21 < ThePolecat> could we please stop talking about angst and legal restrictions on behavior? it gets on my nuts
2008-05-09 18:21 < Messedrocker> ThePolecat, the door is right there -------->
2008-05-09 18:21 < Sfan00> ThePolecat: No Emo-talk?
2008-05-09 18:21 < ThePolecat> Fine... *storms out
2008-05-09 18:21 < quanticle> ThePolecat: What else do we talk about?
2008-05-09 18:21 < quanticle> He'll be back.
2008-05-09 18:22 < ThePolecat> Emos are generally unconcerned by law, as far as I gather
2008-05-09 18:22 < ThePolecat> just with the powers that be
2008-05-09 18:22 < Sfan00> Well Arnie said that, and look where it got him, the Govenership !!!!!
2008-05-09 18:22 < Messedrocker> Governor.
2008-05-09 18:22 < ThePolecat> said what?
2008-05-09 18:22 < ThePolecat> Gohvernehter!
2008-05-09 18:22 < quanticle> Speaking of Emo, has anyone else here heard about the emo vs goth battles in Mexico City?
2008-05-09 18:22 < Sfan00> That he would 'Be back'?
2008-05-09 18:23 < ThePolecat> That must be epic.
2008-05-09 18:23 < ThePolecat> Oh.
2008-05-09 18:23 < Messedrocker> Geore Foreman should be Governor of Michigan. He'd make a better Michigovernor than Mitt Romney
2008-05-09 18:23 * ThePolecat thought Emos and Goths are quite about the same thing
2008-05-09 18:23 < Messedrocker> more or less
2008-05-09 18:23 < quanticle> ThePolecat: The look the same, but they hate each other.
2008-05-09 18:23 < Leslie_S> emos have nice hair
2008-05-09 18:23 < Leslie_S> goths have ugly hair
2008-05-09 18:23 < ThePolecat> Feels I'm going back to Massachusetts
2008-05-09 18:23 < Messedrocker> and emos are universally thin
2008-05-09 18:23 < Messedrocker> goths come in both varieties
2008-05-09 18:23 < ThePolecat> oh
2008-05-09 18:23 < ThePolecat> Okay.
2008-05-09 18:23 < quanticle> Never mind. Its emos vs. punks
2008-05-09 18:24 < Sfan00> Goth girls are strange
2008-05-09 18:24 < Leslie_S> and emos dont have pale powder white skin like goths
2008-05-09 18:24 < ThePolecat> Not my age group I guess.
2008-05-09 18:24 < Tesfan> ThePolecat: The difference I've heard is "emos hate themselves, goths hate everybody"
2008-05-09 18:24 < ThePolecat> That sounds more credible.
2008-05-09 18:24 < quanticle> http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/anti-emo-riots.html
2008-05-09 18:24 < ThePolecat> in my generation, metalheads were the ones who hated everybody and goths were what emos are now.
2008-05-09 18:24 < Sfan00> Was it the UK where the kids that beat up a goth , got sent down for 'a very long time'
2008-05-09 18:24 < Sfan00> ?
2008-05-09 18:24 * quanticle likes the first sentence:
2008-05-09 18:24 * ThePolecat books Sfan00
2008-05-09 18:24 < quanticle> Riot police have taken to the streets of several cities in Mexico to ... defend emo kids?
2008-05-09 18:24 < ThePolecat> One more...
2008-05-09 18:25 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-09 18:25 < bumm13> Mexico City is one big fugly city
2008-05-09 18:25 < Sfan00> ThePolecat: What do you mean? What do you want me to stop?
2008-05-09 18:25 < ThePolecat> quanticle: Emo kids only have plastic hearts and lit cigarettes to defend.
2008-05-09 18:25 < Messedrocker> ah ok
2008-05-09 18:25 < ThePolecat> Talking about legal restrictions on human behavior, if at all possible.
2008-05-09 18:25 < Leslie_S> ive never met a goth with emo hair...
2008-05-09 18:25 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Indeed. Punks, on the other hand, have chains and pipes.
2008-05-09 18:25 < Sfan00> It's late
2008-05-09 18:25 < ThePolecat> yea.
2008-05-09 18:25 < Sfan00> I should get some sleep
2008-05-09 18:25 < quanticle> Also funny: '"They're organizing to defend their right to be emo," wrote Daniel Hernandez of LA Weekly on his personal blog, which has provided stellar coverage of the whole affair.'
2008-05-09 18:25 < Sfan00> ;(
2008-05-09 18:26 < ThePolecat> You can crush us/you can bruise us/or even shoot us/but oh-ho Guns of Brixton
2008-05-09 18:26 < ThePolecat> You gotta fight for your right to su-hulk
2008-05-09 18:26 < quanticle> ThePolecat: They're saying its rather a bit like the mods vs the rockers in Britain.
2008-05-09 18:26 < bumm13> as in, 40 years ago?
2008-05-09 18:26 * ThePolecat understands the Emo mindset, just hates the music
2008-05-09 18:27 * Tesfan doesn't understand the mindset, AND hates the music
2008-05-09 18:27 < ThePolecat> but I know emo people my age, they start becoming rather silly
2008-05-09 18:27 < quanticle> bumm13: The same.
2008-05-09 18:27 < Alkivar> emo is by itself a funny concept
2008-05-09 18:28 < Alkivar> "i'm happy because i'm sad"
2008-05-09 18:28 < ThePolecat> well, I guess it's what would have been called a beatnik earlier
2008-05-09 18:28 < ThePolecat> that category doesn't exist any more
2008-05-09 18:28 < ThePolecat> it's not really that
2008-05-09 18:28 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Its like being a beat, but with more screamy music.
2008-05-09 18:28 < Tesfan> I mean complaining that your dad won't by you the next MCR cd seems shallow when compared to the millions of children who are starving
2008-05-09 18:28 < Messedrocker> ThePolecat, what exactly would your age be?
2008-05-09 18:28 < ThePolecat> it's not even overrating the troubles faced in middle-class upbringing
2008-05-09 18:28 < ThePolecat> close to 25-
2008-05-09 18:29 < ThePolecat> it's Oscare-Wildeism
2008-05-09 18:29 < ThePolecat> everything is art and decadence is good.
2008-05-09 18:29 < Messedrocker> Tesfan, that "millions of children starving" cliché is mild compared to the millions (or thousands?) of young girls with THEIR CLITORISES CUT OFF AS PART OF A TRIBAL RITUAL
2008-05-09 18:30 < Alkivar> messed lets not talk vag mutiliation please
2008-05-09 18:30 < Alkivar> i'm eating dinner here
2008-05-09 18:30 < Tesfan> Messedrocker: either one works
2008-05-09 18:30 < bumm13> they both still suck ;p
2008-05-09 18:30 * ThePolecat just threw up a little in his mouth there
2008-05-09 18:30 < quanticle> Tesfan: MCR?
2008-05-09 18:30 < Messedrocker> my chemical romance
2008-05-09 18:30 < bumm13> thanks for sharing that with us ;p
2008-05-09 18:30 < ThePolecat> Okay, so that turn of phrase should be shot.
2008-05-09 18:30 < Alkivar> quanticle: my chemical romance
2008-05-09 18:30 < Messedrocker> the industry standard in emo
2008-05-09 18:30 < quanticle> Ah.
2008-05-09 18:30 < ThePolecat> MCR has nothing to do with emo, actually.
2008-05-09 18:30 * quanticle is completely ignorant of emo culture
2008-05-09 18:31 < Alkivar> Weezer is more fucking Emo than MCR
2008-05-09 18:31 < ThePolecat> but then maybe I'm not one to define it
2008-05-09 18:31 < Messedrocker> er, weezer?
2008-05-09 18:31 < ThePolecat> Weezer are awesome, they describe mediocrity so lovingly
2008-05-09 18:31 * bumm13 denies the existence of emos
2008-05-09 18:31 < ThePolecat> I love them.
2008-05-09 18:31 < Messedrocker> alkiseltzer, what would be emo then?
2008-05-09 18:31 < Tesfan> MCR may not call themselves emo, but emo kids usally like MCR
2008-05-09 18:31 < ThePolecat> Well yes, people who wear the dress.
2008-05-09 18:32 < Monobi> Emo = stupi
2008-05-09 18:32 < Monobi> stupid, even
2008-05-09 18:32 < Alkivar> emo has nothing to do with the clothes they wear
2008-05-09 18:32 < ThePolecat> like punks often listen to Green Day who are not exactly uncompromising in their music.
2008-05-09 18:32 < Messedrocker> Monobi, at least emo comes exclusively from the free market
2008-05-09 18:32 < Alkivar> it has to do with the whole "my life sucks" "everything sucks" mentality of the weak minded fools
2008-05-09 18:32 < bumm13> ThePolecat: not since 1996 anyway
2008-05-09 18:32 < ThePolecat> Arguably.
2008-05-09 18:32 < Monobi> Messedrocker, yah, sure
2008-05-09 18:32 < bumm13> even then, major-label
2008-05-09 18:32 < Alkivar> they could be living in a 60 mil manshion with 6000 slaves doing everything for them and still whining about "my life sucks"
2008-05-09 18:32 < gwern> why does these weak-minded fools needlessly and irrationally delay my research into the reanimation of dead tissues?!!?
2008-05-09 18:32 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Indeed. As opposed to punk rock, which explicitly opposes the free market.
2008-05-09 18:33 < Monobi> But, people who use emotion as a base for decisions are fools
2008-05-09 18:33 < ThePolecat> Alkivar: I think the "overrating the troubles in a middle-class existence" doesn't cut it as a description.
2008-05-09 18:33 < quanticle> Monobi: People who ignore emotion completely are greater fools.
2008-05-09 18:33 < Monobi> Because when people are emotional, they make irrational decisions
2008-05-09 18:33 < quanticle> Monobi: People are not computers.
2008-05-09 18:33 < ThePolecat> Punk tends to support something that is neither a capitalist free nor a regulated market.
2008-05-09 18:33 < Monobi> quanticle, yes, I'm speaking strictly of being emotionally unstable
2008-05-09 18:34 < Tesfan> quanticle: It's not a matter of completely ignoring emotion, it's using it as the entire basis of your decision
2008-05-09 18:34 < quanticle> Monobi: Oh. Ok.
2008-05-09 18:34 < quanticle> Tesfan: Well, sure, don't use emotion as the basis of your decision making, but don't expect the same from the other side.
2008-05-09 18:35 < ThePolecat> punk usually believes in small, self-sufficient structures where the concept of market has little significance.
2008-05-09 18:35 < Tesfan> yeah
2008-05-09 18:35 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Namely, anarchist communes.
2008-05-09 18:35 < ThePolecat> &ne bids
2008-05-09 18:35 < ThePolecat> sorry
2008-05-09 18:35 * ThePolecat nods
2008-05-09 18:35 < Lastsal4> thats a bit of a sweeping statement polecat
2008-05-09 18:35 * bumm13 isn't interested in the "politics" of music genres
2008-05-09 18:35 < bumm13> make music for us, bitches!
2008-05-09 18:35 < ThePolecat> Admittedly.
2008-05-09 18:36 * ThePolecat is very interested in the politics of music genres when they become dogmatic and uniform
2008-05-09 18:36 < quanticle> Lastsal4: Well, the founding notion of punk was that capitalism had corrupted society.
2008-05-09 18:36 < Alkivar> true punk is as close to actual anarchist thinking as you'll find
2008-05-09 18:36 < ThePolecat> like in country after 9/11
2008-05-09 18:36 < bumm13> oh gawd
2008-05-09 18:36 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Heh. Toby Keith?
2008-05-09 18:36 < ThePolecat> yea and Hank Williams Jr.
2008-05-09 18:36 < Monobi> Anarchy sucks, because property rights are non-existent
2008-05-09 18:36 < bumm13> that'll make me vomit :-p
2008-05-09 18:36 < bumm13> Hank Williams Jr. is an idiot
2008-05-09 18:37 < Messedrocker> anarchy in the uk!
2008-05-09 18:37 < Alkivar> well if you want to go there the Ditzy Chicks aint any better
2008-05-09 18:37 < ThePolecat> and country stations refusing to play the Dixie Chicks
2008-05-09 18:37 < quanticle> ThePolecat: "We'll put a boot in your ass, its the American way?"
2008-05-09 18:37 < Alkivar> and they're on the opposite end of the spectrum politcially
2008-05-09 18:37 < ThePolecat> Yup.
2008-05-09 18:37 < bumm13> makes for good propaganda, I suppose
2008-05-09 18:37 * quanticle would like to see a fight between Punkers and the country-music rednecks
2008-05-09 18:37 < bumm13> nevermin that the U.S. hasn't fought in a "real" war since WWII
2008-05-09 18:37 < Alkivar> as much as i hate that song... its a valid point
2008-05-09 18:37 < bumm13> *nevermind
2008-05-09 18:38 < Alkivar> americas mentality is more towards lets kick someones ass rather than work out the situation
2008-05-09 18:38 * quanticle would like even more to see a 3-way running battle between rappers, country music rednecks and the punkers
2008-05-09 18:38 < Alkivar> nah
2008-05-09 18:38 < quanticle> Who would win?
2008-05-09 18:38 < ThePolecat> there was a great deal of thirst in America around 2002.
2008-05-09 18:38 < Alkivar> the punks would get killed in the hail of bullets
2008-05-09 18:38 < Alkivar> because punks dont believe in guns
2008-05-09 18:38 < Alkivar> but rappers and country music peopl edo
2008-05-09 18:39 < Gracenotes> country people believe in rifles, though, which are somewhat inefficient
2008-05-09 18:39 < ThePolecat> ...and even shoot us/but oh-ho guns of Brixton"
2008-05-09 18:39 < quanticle> Alkivar: True enough; so it'll come down to Uzi's vs .50cals
2008-05-09 18:39 < bumm13> quanticle: the gene pool ;p
2008-05-09 18:39 < Alkivar> Gracenotes: shotguns have much better close range effect than a handgun
2008-05-09 18:39 < quanticle> Alkivar: At which point, it'd come down to terrain
2008-05-09 18:39 * ThePolecat listens to Merle Haggard - Okie from Muskogee
2008-05-09 18:39 < Alkivar> country is all about the shotgun
2008-05-09 18:39 < quanticle> Alkivar: Right, but shotguns have long reload times
2008-05-09 18:39 < Alkivar> LOL
2008-05-09 18:39 < quanticle> Alkivar: And the rifle
2008-05-09 18:39 < Alkivar> give me a pump shotgun
2008-05-09 18:39 < bumm13> rifles are for killing game
2008-05-09 18:40 < Alkivar> i can reload a remington pump action in about 40 seconds
2008-05-09 18:40 < quanticle> Alkivar: Even a pump shotgun only has 6-odd rounds. A good pistol has at least 9
2008-05-09 18:40 < ThePolecat> (according to Zell Miller)
2008-05-09 18:40 < Gracenotes> bumm13: and what do you think country people kill?
2008-05-09 18:40 < Alkivar> lol a decent remington pump has 8 shells and one in the chamber
2008-05-09 18:40 < bumm13> indeed :)
2008-05-09 18:40 < quanticle> Alkivar: And, its much more difficult to reload a pump shotgun than a pistol
2008-05-09 18:40 * ThePolecat packs coldness
2008-05-09 18:40 < Alkivar> i can kill 6 people with one shotgun blast... you do that with a 9mm
2008-05-09 18:40 < quanticle> Alkivar: Pump shotguns don't have external magazines
2008-05-09 18:40 < Lastsal4> this is wikipedia not the NRA
2008-05-09 18:40 < bumm13> in case some of the American rednecks need some briefing, many militant groups around the world pack real heat ;p
2008-05-09 18:41 < quanticle> bumm13: Damn right.
2008-05-09 18:41 < quanticle> bumm13: AKs and RPGs FTW
2008-05-09 18:41 < bumm13> you don't see too many people here with that kind of firepower
2008-05-09 18:41 < bumm13> (just sporadically)
2008-05-09 18:41 < Alkivar> lol i'd rather have actual hand grenades than an rpg
2008-05-09 18:41 < quanticle> Alkivar: Hand grenades can't take out tanks.
2008-05-09 18:41 < Alkivar> if we're talking tanks... we're fucked already
2008-05-09 18:42 < quanticle> Alkivar: Perhaps not. After all, look at the Iraqi insurgents.
2008-05-09 18:42 < Alkivar> the effort to get a tank on our soil by a foreign invading force means we've lost already
2008-05-09 18:42 < quanticle> Alkivar: That's probably true. If they managed to punch through our navy, our army's toast
2008-05-09 18:42 < Alkivar> but if it comes down to street by street guerilla fighting insurgency in this country
2008-05-09 18:42 < Alkivar> give me hand grenades every time
2008-05-09 18:43 < Alkivar> i can bank a grenade off a building to go around a corner
2008-05-09 18:43 < Alkivar> lets see you do that with an rpg
2008-05-09 18:43 < Sfan00> Well to a modern army the UK is well placed to fend of an invasion
2008-05-09 18:43 < Tesfan> rpg would blow up the building
2008-05-09 18:43 < quanticle> Alkivar: Hand grenades + burst firing automatic rifle = win
2008-05-09 18:43 < Sfan00> barring nukes of course
2008-05-09 18:43 < Sfan00> *fend off
2008-05-09 18:43 < Alkivar> quanticle: amen
2008-05-09 18:43 < Sfan00> The much quoted example in respect of WWII is Sealion
2008-05-09 18:43 < quanticle> Alkivar: Ideally, you
2008-05-09 18:43 < quanticle> d
2008-05-09 18:44 < Sfan00> which would have left the Germans with a indefnsible beachhead ...
2008-05-09 18:44 < Alkivar> Tesfan: if we start destroying the buildings clearing the insurgency... we're doing more harm to ourselves than need be
2008-05-09 18:44 < Sfan00> *an
2008-05-09 18:44 < quanticle> Alkivar: Ideally, you'd have squads, and one person in each squad would carry something heavy, like a machine gun.
2008-05-09 18:44 < Alkivar> with a grenade you might blow out a few windows... and cause repairable damage to a building... not necessarily require rebuilding the t hing
2008-05-09 18:44 < quanticle> Alkivar: That's how the US army does it anyway.
2008-05-09 18:45 < Alkivar> with an RPG you'd have lots of unnecessary collateral damage
2008-05-09 18:45 < Alkivar> quanticle: i'm familiar with army tactics thanks :)
2008-05-09 18:45 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-05-09 18:45 < Sfan00> ]Night
2008-05-09 18:45 < Alkivar> your typical army squad has 2 heavy weapons personel in an infantry unit
2008-05-09 18:45 < Sfan00> I need sleep
2008-05-09 18:45 < Alkivar> because its a crew loaded weapon
2008-05-09 18:45 < Lastsal4> shall i pretend i'm in the army and love pointless destruction too?
2008-05-09 18:46 < quanticle> Besides, there's no way an RPG can bring down an entire building. The shaped charge on that thing is designed to punch holes, not cause mass concussion damage.
2008-05-09 18:46 < Alkivar> quanticle: if your blowing out structural walls... buildings collapse
2008-05-09 18:46 < Alkivar> frag damage from a grenade is much less likely to reduce the integrity of a wall
2008-05-09 18:46 < quanticle> Lastsal4: No. You can be the peacenik, telling us how "War doesn't solve any problems"
2008-05-09 18:47 < Lastsal4> did it solve iraq?
2008-05-09 18:47 < quanticle> Lastsal4: No but it did solve Hitler.
2008-05-09 18:47 < Alkivar> it solved germany and japan
2008-05-09 18:47 < Alkivar> GODWIN!
2008-05-09 18:47 < Alkivar> where is Mike anyways... he'd get a kick out of this
2008-05-09 18:47 < Alkivar> heh
2008-05-09 18:47 < quanticle> Aaaaand thread closed.
2008-05-09 18:47 < Messedrocker> BeN StEiN
2008-05-09 18:48 * bumm13 spins a dreidel at Ben Stein
2008-05-09 18:48 < Alkivar> quanticle: you cant name hitler and expect the thread to close because you said so
2008-05-09 18:48 < Alkivar> aka you cant self induce a godwin and win
2008-05-09 18:48 < Alkivar> you just lost
2008-05-09 18:48 < Tesfan> the game
2008-05-09 18:48 < Alkivar> dont you know anything about teh intarweb?
2008-05-09 18:49 < ThePolecat> dreidels are meshuga
2008-05-09 18:49 < ThePolecat> oy, alvays ze spinning of dreidels
2008-05-09 18:49 < Alkivar> dreidels = great moving targets
2008-05-09 18:49 < quanticle> Alkivar: I know. It was a suicide attack against the thread. Godwins law states that, as any discussion continues, the probability of a Hitler reference goes to 1. At this point the thread ends, and the person making the Hitler reference loses. Therefore, I intentionally invoked Godwin's law, ending the thread even though I "lost".
2008-05-09 18:49 < ThePolecat> I guess
2008-05-09 18:50 < Alkivar> ahh
2008-05-09 18:50 < Alkivar> you suicide bomber you
2008-05-09 18:50 < ThePolecat> quanticle: Invoking rules like that is awfully close to something Hitler would have done.
2008-05-09 18:50 < ThePolecat> :-P
2008-05-09 18:50 < Alkivar> lol
2008-05-09 18:50 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Too late. I got there first. You'll have to find your own thread to close.
2008-05-09 18:51 < Alkivar> you know who else liked invoking rules
2008-05-09 18:51 < Alkivar> STALIN
2008-05-09 18:51 < ThePolecat> Damn.
2008-05-09 18:51 < Messedrocker> HEETLAH!
2008-05-09 18:51 < Alkivar> is there a STALIN LAW too?
2008-05-09 18:51 < Alkivar> or a MAO LAW?
2008-05-09 18:51 < Messedrocker> or a BUSH LAW
2008-05-09 18:51 < Alkivar> hahaha yeah
2008-05-09 18:51 < Messedrocker> or a RON PAUL LAW
2008-05-09 18:51 < ThePolecat> Oh yea, whether Stalin was worse than Hitler is also a popular cul-de-sac for #wikipedia discussions
2008-05-09 18:51 < quanticle> Alkivar: Is invoking Stalin to get around Godwin's law valid? Or does it still invoke the rule?
2008-05-09 18:51 < Alkivar> RON PAUL /B/
2008-05-09 18:52 < Alkivar> quanticle: i have no idea... email Mike
2008-05-09 18:52 < Messedrocker> Ron Paul /B/ ?
2008-05-09 18:52 < Messedrocker> paulies reside on /b/? One more reason to loathe it
2008-05-09 18:52 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Ron Paul is the /b/ of politics.
2008-05-09 18:52 < Alkivar> Messedrocker: 4chan /b/ changes "sup" to "Ron Paul" now
2008-05-09 18:52 < Messedrocker> lolololololol
2008-05-09 18:52 < Sasquatch> soup /b/
2008-05-09 18:52 < quanticle> Alivar: Ron Paul?
2008-05-09 18:52 < Sasquatch> where be the cp?
2008-05-09 18:52 < Alkivar> so trying to post "sup /b/" = "ron paul /b/"
2008-05-09 18:52 < bumm13> Ron Paul - Supermodel
2008-05-09 18:53 < Alkivar> thats why you see "soup" used now
2008-05-09 18:53 < ThePolecat> Ron "fleet-footed black thieves" Paul?
2008-05-09 18:53 < quanticle> bumm13: Ron Paul: Superstar?
2008-05-09 18:53 < bumm13> :|
2008-05-09 18:53 < Sasquatch> yea
2008-05-09 18:53 < Sasquatch> they've been doing that for a while
2008-05-09 18:53 < Gracenotes> Sasquatch: soup has been diminshed greatly in the memepool as of late
2008-05-09 18:53 < Alkivar> Sasquatch: the captain picard is RIGHT OVER THERE ----->
2008-05-09 18:53 < Sasquatch> only newfags say sup /b/ anyways :-P