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2008-05-09 09:42 < ThePolecat> the name is not used where I am.
2008-05-09 09:42 < ThePolecat> but I think so
2008-05-09 09:43 < zocky> ThePolecat, it's used in norwegian, polish, limbourgian and esperanto, so I'm guessing it must exist in german too
2008-05-09 09:44 < ThePolecat> it probably does, but everyone I know calls it backgammon
2008-05-09 09:44 < ThePolecat> it's shesh-besh in Hebrew, afaik.
2008-05-09 09:45 < zocky> it's backgammon/tabla/triktrak/nardi in most languages
2008-05-09 09:45 < zocky> czechs and icelanders have their own words, for some reason
2008-05-09 09:46 < zocky> oh, the czech word is a delightful germanism
2008-05-09 09:46 < zocky> Wurfzabel -> Vrhcáby
2008-05-09 10:01 < gwern> [[Image:Wikipe-tan Battling a Wikitroll in the Darknesses of Ignorance.JPG]]
2008-05-09 10:01 < gwern> [[Image:DNN Wikipe-tan 2007-06-15.jpg]]
2008-05-09 10:04 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-05-09 10:09 < user__> hello
2008-05-09 10:09 < user__> yello
2008-05-09 10:09 < Falc> Hi
2008-05-09 10:10 < user__> hi
2008-05-09 10:12 < ThePolecat> zabel means game in general
2008-05-09 10:12 < ThePolecat> "Schachzabel" was the old word for chess
2008-05-09 10:13 < ThePolecat> "...is reported to claim that..."
2008-05-09 10:13 < ThePolecat> lovely
2008-05-09 10:15 < zocky> ThePolecat, Table (n.) : c.1175, "board, slab, plate," from O.Fr. table "board, plank, writing table, picture" (11c.), and late O.E. tabele, from W.Gmc. *tabal (cf. O.H.G. zabel, Ger. Tafel), both from L. tabula "a board, plank, table," originally "small flat slab or piece" usually for inscriptions or for games
2008-05-09 10:15 < ThePolecat> heh nice
2008-05-09 10:15 < ThePolecat> tabula in Latin means both "board" and "table"
2008-05-09 10:16 < zocky> though mensa is the normal word
2008-05-09 10:16 < ThePolecat> yep
2008-05-09 10:16 < user__> are all of us here editors/
2008-05-09 10:16 < user__> ?
2008-05-09 10:16 < user__> uses
2008-05-09 10:16 < user__> users
2008-05-09 10:16 < user__> on wiki
2008-05-09 10:16 < ThePolecat> mensa sana pro corpore sano!
2008-05-09 10:16 < ThePolecat> Most.
2008-05-09 10:17 < zocky> ThePolecat, do you have "mensa" in the sense of "self-serving restaurant", as in a factory, or for students?
2008-05-09 10:17 * ThePolecat finds a chess game of a mate of his in his chess database
2008-05-09 10:17 < ThePolecat> Yep
2008-05-09 10:18 < zocky> ThePolecat, ah, so then "mensa" as the organization for smart people is humorous in german too
2008-05-09 10:18 < ThePolecat> Sort of.
2008-05-09 10:18 < ThePolecat> unhealthy environments :P
2008-05-09 10:21 < ThePolecat> "unser tisch ist ebenfalls früh entlehnt aus gr.-lat. discus"
2008-05-09 10:21 < ThePolecat> Tisch = disk
2008-05-09 10:22 < ThePolecat> also plate
2008-05-09 10:22 < ThePolecat> and bowl
2008-05-09 10:22 < bumm13> hiya Polecat
2008-05-09 10:22 < ThePolecat> 'lo
2008-05-09 10:23 < bumm13> 54
2008-05-09 10:24 < ThePolecat> Que?
2008-05-09 10:24 * ThePolecat continues to review spaceflight articles
2008-05-09 10:35 * quanticle admire's Lucifer_Cat's pawn structure
2008-05-09 10:35 < quanticle> er, admires, even
2008-05-09 10:41 < Fireaxe888> um,this talk is kinda off opic
2008-05-09 10:41 < Fireaxe888> topic
2008-05-09 10:43 < Fireaxe888> Hello?
2008-05-09 10:50 < quanticle> Fireaxe888: Since when has #wikipedia ever been on topic for more than 30 seconds?
2008-05-09 10:53 < Working_Cat> \o/ payday!!
2008-05-09 10:55 < Working_Cat> quanticle, ThePolecat, Monobi, gwern, Demi, Mike_H : sup?
2008-05-09 10:56 < Working_Cat> wake up people... its not saturday yet.
2008-05-09 10:56 < arcimboldo_> only in four minutes
2008-05-09 10:57 < quanticle> Sup Working_Cat. Unlike you, I seem to be working... for once.
2008-05-09 10:58 * quanticle off for a meeting, be back in an hour or so
2008-05-09 10:59 < Working_Cat> arcimboldo_: far east hmmm.
2008-05-09 11:00 < Working_Cat> wow you are 14 hours ahead
2008-05-09 11:00 * Working_Cat says bad things about shakespeare.
2008-05-09 11:10 * Working_Cat is bored while the IT guys fix the problems.
2008-05-09 11:15 < Fireaxe888> its 6:15 in the evening here
2008-05-09 11:16 < Working_Cat> nice
2008-05-09 11:16 * Working_Cat wonders if Fireaxe888 is related to Axeman
2008-05-09 11:16 < Fireaxe888> Nope
2008-05-09 11:17 < Fireaxe888> u all from the us?
2008-05-09 11:18 < Lycurgus> no but us, uk, au, and de dominate
2008-05-09 11:19 < Lycurgus> prolly together 95% or so
2008-05-09 11:19 < Lycurgus> more or less
2008-05-09 11:20 < Fireaxe888> doesnt wikipedia have an article for internet service provider
2008-05-09 11:20 < Fireaxe888> cant find it
2008-05-09 11:20 < Lycurgus> unlike some other channels it doesn't go dead in US late night though
2008-05-09 11:20 < Fireaxe888> if not,i should create it
2008-05-09 11:21 < Lycurgus> don't you just haven't looked for [[ISP]]
2008-05-09 11:21 < Fireaxe888> sorry,found it
2008-05-09 11:21 < Fireaxe888> from google
2008-05-09 11:21 < Fireaxe888> wow,u are a wikiholic
2008-05-09 11:22 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: thats a prereq.
2008-05-09 11:22 < Fireaxe888> symptom 1:adding wikimarkup to unrelated places
2008-05-09 11:22 < Fireaxe888> A what?
2008-05-09 11:22 < Lycurgus> somebody should take the statement about ISP redirecting because it doesn't
2008-05-09 11:22 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: 1. it was not unrelated.
2008-05-09 11:22 < Working_Cat> 2. you /need/ to be a wikiholic to be here.
2008-05-09 11:23 < Working_Cat> if you are not, i am going to have to ask you to leave.
2008-05-09 11:23 < Fireaxe888> well im not
2008-05-09 11:23 < Fireaxe888> not yet
2008-05-09 11:23 < Working_Cat> kidding ofcourse
2008-05-09 11:23 < Fireaxe888> made my account yesterday
2008-05-09 11:23 < Fireaxe888> lol
2008-05-09 11:23 < Fireaxe888> but ive been using it for years
2008-05-09 11:24 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: my account is a few monts old too, but i used to wikiit all day
2008-05-09 11:24 < Working_Cat> for years.
2008-05-09 11:24 < Fireaxe888> Well,I still dont waste my whole day editing wikipedia
2008-05-09 11:24 < Lycurgus> shut the fuck up, neither does anybody else
2008-05-09 11:24 < Lycurgus> idiot
2008-05-09 11:25 < Fireaxe888> Is swearing required
2008-05-09 11:25 < Fireaxe888> I dont say that others do it
2008-05-09 11:25 < Fireaxe888> just that i dont
2008-05-09 11:26 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: i think the keyword there was "waste"
2008-05-09 11:26 < Fireaxe888> ??????????????????//
2008-05-09 11:26 < Working_Cat> and Lycurgus: your reaction suggests you /do/ edit it all day :P ;)
2008-05-09 11:26 < kenlyric> yeah
2008-05-09 11:26 < kenlyric> swearing was required for being a fucking tool
2008-05-09 11:26 < kenlyric> /approved
2008-05-09 11:27 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: "i dont waste my whole day...
2008-05-09 11:27 < Working_Cat> part
2008-05-09 11:27 < Working_Cat> damn enter key
2008-05-09 11:27 < Fireaxe888> sorry
2008-05-09 11:27 < Lycurgus> i ignore some so-called decency conventions in my native language
2008-05-09 11:28 < Lycurgus> yeah, I prolly have spent too much time on wp and here for that matter
2008-05-09 11:28 < Working_Cat> thats fine. just keep in mind that there are people here passionate about WP - in a good way... and some of them who are important people in the WP project.
2008-05-09 11:28 < Fireaxe888> sorry bout that
2008-05-09 11:28 < Fireaxe888> I Am passionate about wikipedia
2008-05-09 11:28 < Lycurgus> but it's a public service and so there's nothing wrong with it
2008-05-09 11:28 < Lycurgus> except that of course there definitely are better uses of my time
2008-05-09 11:28 < Fireaxe888> i havent looked up information from anywhere else for years
2008-05-09 11:29 < Fireaxe888> one could say im a non-editing wikiholic
2008-05-09 11:29 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: some people might consider reading WP all day a "fucking waste of time" as well. so everyone has their opiniions, just that not every place is a good place to express them.
2008-05-09 11:30 < Fireaxe888> DiD I say that?
2008-05-09 11:30 < Fireaxe888> It is not a waste of time
2008-05-09 11:30 < Lycurgus> then it's affected you far worse than it has me
2008-05-09 11:30 < Fireaxe888> ok
2008-05-09 11:30 < Fireaxe888> i just use wp cause im curious
2008-05-09 11:31 < Fireaxe888> i could quit at any time
2008-05-09 11:31 < Lycurgus> 1) there has never been a day I spent entirely editing wp, 2) it is a worthwhile alternative to actual social intercourse which I find excruciating for the most part.
2008-05-09 11:31 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: thats my point. its not a waste of time. though some noobs might not see it that way. neither is editing it all day.
2008-05-09 11:31 < Fireaxe888> Yes thats right
2008-05-09 11:32 < Fireaxe888> Well,editing all day could be a tiny bit excessive
2008-05-09 11:33 < Fireaxe888> wow,oil is above `126 dollars
2008-05-09 11:33 < Working_Cat> Fireaxe888: "i could quit any time" lol, according to some studies, WP is harder to quit than cigarettes [[citation needed]]. Some experts [[Weasel words]] even believe that its about time we have WPA sessions.
2008-05-09 11:33 < zocky> what's that in hard currency?
2008-05-09 11:33 < Fireaxe888> around 1 euro lol
2008-05-09 11:33 < Working_Cat> zocky: be gentle on the poor dollar.
2008-05-09 11:33 < Fireaxe888> of current trends continu
2008-05-09 11:34 < Fireaxe888> continue
2008-05-09 11:34 < Fireaxe888> if current trends continue
2008-05-09 11:34 < Fireaxe888> i really should watch what i type
2008-05-09 11:34 < Working_Cat> of current trends contunu << sounds like subject line from a nigerian scam.
2008-05-09 11:35 < ThePolecat> GREETINGS, BLESSED FRIEND
2008-05-09 11:36 < Working_Cat> ah, zip 'ol cat
2008-05-09 11:36 * Working_Cat paints White_Cat black
2008-05-09 11:37 < Working_Cat> sup pole
2008-05-09 11:37 < Fireaxe888> how do you make those italics?
2008-05-09 11:37 < ThePolecat> type /me
2008-05-09 11:37 < Working_Cat> aww ThePolecat, you spoiled my italian joke
2008-05-09 11:37 * ThePolecat has a very interesting business proposal, and YOU are the only person I trust enough to help me!
2008-05-09 11:38 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: sure go ahead. use only overly formal 19th century english though.
2008-05-09 11:38 < Working_Cat> i wonder if anyone EVER fell for that thing
2008-05-09 11:39 < ThePolecat> yes.
2008-05-09 11:39 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-05-09 11:39 < Working_Cat> heh. so humans are dumber than i was hoping.
2008-05-09 11:40 < ThePolecat> Whether you hope or not depends on which side you're on
2008-05-09 11:40 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-05-09 11:40 < ThePolecat> Brb.
2008-05-09 11:40 < Working_Cat> fosho
2008-05-09 11:41 < Fireaxe888> ok,time for some off topic chat,ladies and gentleman of the reform club
2008-05-09 11:41 < Fireaxe888> recognise it?
2008-05-09 11:43 < Fireaxe888> hello?
2008-05-09 11:43 < Sfan00> ThePoleCat " I Larry Sanger, former founder of Wikipedia Need your assistance" ;) type mails?
2008-05-09 11:44 * Fireaxe888 hello
2008-05-09 11:45 < Fireaxe888> mn,it workds
2008-05-09 11:45 < Fireaxe888> hm
2008-05-09 11:45 < Fireaxe888> i hate my typos
2008-05-09 11:49 < Working_Cat> blurb
2008-05-09 11:49 < Fireaxe888> A blurb is a short summary or some words of praise accompanying a creative work, usually referring to the words on the back of the book but also commonly seen on DVD and video cases, web portals and news websites.
2008-05-09 11:50 * Working_Cat knows that
2008-05-09 11:51 < Dendodge> blurb's an ace word!
2008-05-09 11:54 * Working_Cat dodges
2008-05-09 12:01 * quanticle tackles the Working_Cat
2008-05-09 12:01 < quanticle> On lunch break, Working_Cat?
2008-05-09 12:01 < quanticle> Oh, he left.
2008-05-09 12:08 < Fireaxe888> petrol is 9 dollars a gallon here
2008-05-09 12:10 < Lycurgus> yes, we know.
2008-05-09 12:10 < Lycurgus> suckers, get a continental polity and you can throw your weight around too. Gas is still mostly under $4 here.
2008-05-09 12:11 < Lycurgus> and nearly half that $9 is taxes.
2008-05-09 12:13 < Fireaxe888> well,9 bucks isnt that bad
2008-05-09 12:13 < Lycurgus> (and by polity I mean a state, you know that pays for it's own defense, has an independent foriegn policy, etc. etc.)
2008-05-09 12:13 < Fireaxe888> considering the exchange rate
2008-05-09 12:15 < Fireaxe888> taxes+more money for government+better health care,education etc.
2008-05-09 12:15 < Fireaxe888> ==
2008-05-09 12:15 < Fireaxe888> those were equals
2008-05-09 12:15 < quanticle> Heh. Too bad Monobi's not here.
2008-05-09 12:16 < quanticle> Otherwise he and Fireaxe888 could have put on a show for us.
2008-05-09 12:16 < Fireaxe888> what kind of show
2008-05-09 12:17 < Lycurgus> freak
2008-05-09 12:17 < Fireaxe888> im not much of a showman
2008-05-09 12:17 < quanticle> Fireaxe888: Heh.
2008-05-09 12:17 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Huh?
2008-05-09 12:18 < Lycurgus> sorry, couldn't resist the straight line
2008-05-09 12:18 < quanticle> Ah. Rihgt.
2008-05-09 12:18 < quanticle> Right.
2008-05-09 12:18 < Fireaxe888> left
2008-05-09 12:18 < quanticle> Well, Monobi is somewhat of a freak...
2008-05-09 12:19 < Fireaxe888> who is this monobi
2008-05-09 12:20 < quanticle> Fireaxe888: One of the most libertarian people you will meet.
2008-05-09 12:20 < Lycurgus> he's currently logged into this channel
2008-05-09 12:20 < quanticle> Lycurgus: I know. That's why I'm talking about him. See, this way it doesn't violate the "don't talk about people behind their back" rule.
2008-05-09 12:20 < Lycurgus> so if he's logging maybe you'll get a response
2008-05-09 12:21 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Hopefully.
2008-05-09 12:21 * quanticle is bored today
2008-05-09 12:21 * bomma is also bored :(
2008-05-09 12:21 < Fireaxe888> brb
2008-05-09 12:21 < Lycurgus> i'll talk behind your back but I don't say anything I wouldn't say to your face
2008-05-09 12:22 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Well, it doesn't matter anyway, since I'm always logged in as well, so I can read backscroll and find out exactly what you've been saying...
2008-05-09 12:23 < Lycurgus> i don't remember monobi and since most americans are either moderately or more conservative it doesn't really stand out to me
2008-05-09 12:24 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Really? Monobi doesn't stand out? He's rather a bit more conservative than most Americans.
2008-05-09 12:24 < Lycurgus> the entire american political spectrum would fit in the eurpean right and center right, not county some miniscule revolutionary groups
2008-05-09 12:24 < Lycurgus> *counting
2008-05-09 12:25 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Indeed. Both our Republicans and Democrats could probably be easily integrated into moderately right of center Christian Democratic party in Europe.
2008-05-09 12:31 < cary> hey, any Finnish speakers about?
2008-05-09 12:33 < Lycurgus> there are certainly English speakers in #wikipedia-fi
2008-05-09 12:33 < cary> :) I'm really looking for someone with Estonian comprehension
2008-05-09 12:33 < Lycurgus> should be a channel for that too
2008-05-09 12:34 < cary> doubtful
2008-05-09 12:37 < Fireaxe888> back
2008-05-09 12:39 < Lycurgus> nope, there doesn't appear to be, nor latvian
2008-05-09 12:41 < Lycurgus> is et.wikipedia.org the estonian wiki?
2008-05-09 12:42 < Lycurgus> hmmm, NotSheep huh?
2008-05-09 12:43 < Fabexplosive> White_Cat: ping
2008-05-09 12:44 < Lycurgus> not in Estonia apparently, they have the lowest rate of belief in god of any western state, eclipsing the czech republic in that respect
2008-05-09 12:44 < Fireaxe888> personally,I'm agnostic
2008-05-09 12:45 < White_Cat> yes?
2008-05-09 12:48 < pleahy> dongs
2008-05-09 12:48 < pleahy> dongs
2008-05-09 12:48 < pleahy> dongs
2008-05-09 12:48 < pleahy> dongs
2008-05-09 12:48 < pleahy> dongs
2008-05-09 12:52 < Demi> i consider myself acrostic
2008-05-09 13:04 < Lycurgus> I guess that means you love rebus
2008-05-09 13:08 < Working_Cat> "Gossiping about other Wikipedians behind their backs is prohibited"
2008-05-09 13:08 < Working_Cat> no wonder the chan is silent
2008-05-09 13:10 < Lycurgus> do you have an en:wp identity Working_Cat?
2008-05-09 13:11 < Working_Cat> yup
2008-05-09 13:11 < Working_Cat> User:Waldo
2008-05-09 13:11 < Working_Cat> heh
2008-05-09 13:12 < Working_Cat> theres actually a user waldo
2008-05-09 13:12 < Working_Cat> whos a douche
2008-05-09 13:14 < bumm13> Where's Waldo?
2008-05-09 13:17 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: check out [[User:Waldo]]
2008-05-09 13:17 < Working_Cat> and his discussion page
2008-05-09 13:17 < Lycurgus> the user page was enough, no further interest
2008-05-09 13:19 < Working_Cat> g-g-g-g-greer
2008-05-09 13:20 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: isnt that like a bad thing? if hes serious that is
2008-05-09 13:23 < Working_Cat> ... ?
2008-05-09 13:23 < Lycurgus> i dunno Working_Cat
2008-05-09 13:24 < Mike_H> White_Cat: "Nargis" is a Turkish name, isn't it?
2008-05-09 13:24 < Working_Cat> still pissed about the Fireaxe888 person calling it a waste of time?
2008-05-09 13:24 < Mike_H> a girl's name?
2008-05-09 13:25 < White_Cat> Nargis?
2008-05-09 13:25 < White_Cat> "Nergiz" is a turkish female name yes
2008-05-09 13:25 < White_Cat> not certain about Nargis
2008-05-09 13:25 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: yup a gals name. not sure about the turkish part though. an indian actress was called nargis. so quite possible that its turkish.
2008-05-09 13:25 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: Okay.
2008-05-09 13:25 < Fireaxe888> for the recod,I don't think editing is a waste of time
2008-05-09 13:25 < Fireaxe888> record
2008-05-09 13:25 < White_Cat> sometimes turkish names are misspelt in english
2008-05-09 13:25 < Mike_H> White_Cat: maybe
2008-05-09 13:26 < White_Cat> intentialy for pronouncation that is
2008-05-09 13:26 * White_Cat licks Mike_H's face
2008-05-09 13:26 < Mike_H> White_Cat: One of the girls who didn't make it to the finals on Top Model was named Nargis
2008-05-09 13:26 < Working_Cat> eww
2008-05-09 13:26 < White_Cat> you watch top model?
2008-05-09 13:26 < Mike_H> and now she's the face of Pantene Turkey (she is Turkish-American).
2008-05-09 13:26 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: she hot?
2008-05-09 13:26 < Working_Cat> ok...
2008-05-09 13:26 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: Yeah, she is.
2008-05-09 13:27 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: you mean conventially. you dont really find her hot do you.
2008-05-09 13:27 < White_Cat> Working_Cat hello?
2008-05-09 13:27 < White_Cat> she was on top model
2008-05-09 13:27 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: Not hot in the I'd do her way.
2008-05-09 13:27 < White_Cat> she must be "hot"
2008-05-09 13:27 < White_Cat> Mike_H some people are not as selective as you are
2008-05-09 13:27 < Rawr_Boar> um, hello
2008-05-09 13:27 < Mike_H> White_Cat: http://www.pantene.com.tr/
2008-05-09 13:28 < Working_Cat> White_Cat: i dont watch top model. also, i'd suspect many are just anorexic
2008-05-09 13:28 < Mike_H> Nargis is the girl in the middle.
2008-05-09 13:28 < Rawr_Boar> Any IRC expert around, sirs?
2008-05-09 13:28 < White_Cat> Working_Cat I dont watch TV
2008-05-09 13:28 < White_Cat> Rawr_Boar well
2008-05-09 13:28 < White_Cat> whats the question?
2008-05-09 13:28 < Demi> "Thanks to FlexiSPY I finally
2008-05-09 13:28 < Demi> figured out my wife was cheating on me with my brother. I had a bad feeling about this for over a year.
2008-05-09 13:28 < Demi> After the divorce, my life is so much better now."
2008-05-09 13:28 < Working_Cat> White_Cat: neither do it
2008-05-09 13:28 < Rawr_Boar> Why can't we use dots in IRC nick
2008-05-09 13:28 < bumm13> Demi - o.o
2008-05-09 13:29 < Mike_H> White_Cat: She's pretty, isn't she?
2008-05-09 13:29 < White_Cat> sort of
2008-05-09 13:29 < Working_Cat> Rawr_Boar: it gets dotty
2008-05-09 13:29 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: is. a lot healthier than i expected.
2008-05-09 13:29 * White_Cat is no expert on women
2008-05-09 13:29 < White_Cat> nor men
2008-05-09 13:29 < Working_Cat> haha good you made that clear
2008-05-09 13:29 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: What do you think
2008-05-09 13:29 < Mike_H> what's your opinion
2008-05-09 13:29 < White_Cat> Rawr_Boar many chanacters are reserved
2008-05-09 13:29 < Demi> http://www.flexispy.com/ <- that's where the testimonial is from
2008-05-09 13:30 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: <Working_Cat> Mike_H: is. a lot healthier than i expected.
2008-05-09 13:30 < White_Cat> in the programming they have special uses
2008-05-09 13:30 < White_Cat> thats why
2008-05-09 13:30 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: Oh, I thought it was all White_Cat
2008-05-09 13:30 < Mike_H> haha
2008-05-09 13:30 < Rawr_Boar> Thank you :)
2008-05-09 13:31 < White_Cat> the VIBBER is back
2008-05-09 13:31 * White_Cat face huggles
2008-05-09 13:31 < Mike_H> White_Cat: Is your ad campaign the same as ours?
2008-05-09 13:31 < Mike_H> It has the same music
2008-05-09 13:31 < Demi> "F Secure seem to think that its ok for them to interfere with legitimate, legal and accountable software. Who appointed them judge, jury and executioner anyway, and why wont they answer our emails, so we have to ask who is the real malware? Here is how to remove FSecure malware from your device. Please don't believe the fsecure fear mongers who simply wish you to buy their products."
2008-05-09 13:32 < Mike_H> "isildayin"
2008-05-09 13:32 < Mike_H> does that mean "shine"?
2008-05-09 13:32 < White_Cat> yes
2008-05-09 13:32 < Mike_H> okay, so it is
2008-05-09 13:32 < White_Cat> well
2008-05-09 13:32 < White_Cat> not entirely the same
2008-05-09 13:32 < White_Cat> "isildayin" can mean sparkle
2008-05-09 13:32 < Mike_H> ah
2008-05-09 13:32 < Alkivar> what language?
2008-05-09 13:32 < White_Cat> Alkivar none you know :)
2008-05-09 13:32 < Mike_H> Alkivar: Turkish
2008-05-09 13:32 < Alkivar> ahhh
2008-05-09 13:32 < White_Cat> aw
2008-05-09 13:32 < White_Cat> I was gonna make him guess
2008-05-09 13:33 < Alkivar> no i refuse to learn turkish... i'm greek after all :P
2008-05-09 13:33 < White_Cat> Alkivar oh?
2008-05-09 13:33 < Mike_H> Alkivar: Your last name's pretty Anglo.
2008-05-09 13:33 < Mike_H> Is your mom the Greek one?
2008-05-09 13:33 < Alkivar> thats my biological fathers last name
2008-05-09 13:33 < Mike_H> Oh, okay.
2008-05-09 13:33 < Alkivar> my family name is chacos
2008-05-09 13:33 < Mike_H> ah.
2008-05-09 13:33 < White_Cat> Alkivar I thought you were a manufactured robot :P
2008-05-09 13:34 < Alkivar> my mom's dad and his siblings are all first generation immigrants
2008-05-09 13:34 < Mike_H> but My Big Fat Greek Wedding taught me
2008-05-09 13:34 < Mike_H> "the Greeks and Turks FRIENDS NOW!"
2008-05-09 13:34 < White_Cat> "biological fathers" is a term that amuses me the most
2008-05-09 13:34 < Alkivar> my mom's mom and her whole family are french canadian
2008-05-09 13:34 < White_Cat> as if your father can be non-bilogic
2008-05-09 13:34 < Mike_H> White_Cat: He was chemical.
2008-05-09 13:34 < White_Cat> mechanical?
2008-05-09 13:34 < Alkivar> uhm yeah your father can be whoever raised you... you dick :P
2008-05-09 13:34 < PJasper> When does copyright run out on song lyrics
2008-05-09 13:35 < Alkivar> what about adoption huh?
2008-05-09 13:35 < Mike_H> Alkivar: He's being intentionally difficult ;)
2008-05-09 13:35 < White_Cat> Alkivar I am a pussy not a dick
2008-05-09 13:35 * White_Cat <- pussy cat
2008-05-09 13:35 < Working_Cat> White_Cat: it happens when the mom divorces and remarries. or was not married to start with.
2008-05-09 13:35 < White_Cat> Working_Cat yes
2008-05-09 13:35 < Working_Cat> and adoption
2008-05-09 13:35 < White_Cat> still your father will always be bilogical
2008-05-09 13:35 < Alkivar> in any event i'm Greek/French from mom and Irish/Scottish/Austrian/Spanish from dad
2008-05-09 13:35 < Mike_H> Plus, they outlawed women in Turkey.
2008-05-09 13:35 < White_Cat> even if you have no blood bond
2008-05-09 13:35 < Mike_H> Hayrunnisa saw to that.
2008-05-09 13:36 < Working_Cat> and also, father != dad... so yeah, you DO have a point... but legally speaking, Alkivar is right
2008-05-09 13:36 < White_Cat> Mike_H outlawed?
2008-05-09 13:36 < White_Cat> says who?
2008-05-09 13:36 < Mike_H> White_Cat: Hayrunnisa!
2008-05-09 13:36 < White_Cat> No one pays attention to her.
2008-05-09 13:36 < Mike_H> No woman can be prettier than her
2008-05-09 13:36 < Mike_H> and since she isn't pretty
2008-05-09 13:36 < Mike_H> she outlawed them.
2008-05-09 13:36 < Working_Cat> heh
2008-05-09 13:36 < White_Cat> Mike_H umm
2008-05-09 13:36 < Working_Cat> whos that hayrun whatever
2008-05-09 13:36 < White_Cat> what is this in the context of, I am not familiar with this dispute
2008-05-09 13:37 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: Hayrunnisa Gul
2008-05-09 13:37 < Mike_H> the wife of Abdullah Gul
2008-05-09 13:37 < Mike_H> the president of Turkey
2008-05-09 13:37 < Working_Cat> ohh ok
2008-05-09 13:37 < Alkivar> ah lol
2008-05-09 13:37 < Demi> it's probably more typical to refer to that a stepfather, Working_Cat, but of course IMO your father is whoever you think of as your father
2008-05-09 13:38 < Mike_H> I haven't been doing a whole lot on Wikipedia recently, but I did write an article on actor Patrick Tovatt this week. He played Zane Lindquist, one of Felicia's husbands. Congrats on being named an administrator. Dbart (talk) 16:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
2008-05-09 13:38 < Mike_H> I don't have the heart to tell him that I was named an administrator four years ago.
2008-05-09 13:38 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-09 13:39 < Working_Cat> in soviet wikia, mike admins you
2008-05-09 13:39 < Mike_H> Alkivar: On August 20, 1980, Abdullah Gul married Hayrunnisa Ozyurt, whose family originates also from Kayseri (born 1965), when she was 15 years old. [17] The couple has three children, two sons named Mehmet Emre and Ahmet Munir and a daughter named Kubra.
2008-05-09 13:39 < Mike_H> He was 29 and she was 15. :o
2008-05-09 13:39 < Alkivar> its ok kiddy rape is legal in turkey
2008-05-09 13:39 < Mike_H> White_Cat: :OOO
2008-05-09 13:40 < Alkivar> and most of the middle east for that matter
2008-05-09 13:40 < Demi> yeah, no one would ever marry a fifteen-year-old in the united states
2008-05-09 13:40 < Mike_H> Demi: Especially not in those Western states!
2008-05-09 13:40 < Alkivar> hey mohammed married a 9yr old
2008-05-09 13:40 < White_Cat> Demi not true
2008-05-09 13:40 < Demi> White_Cat - i was being sarcastic
2008-05-09 13:40 < White_Cat> they discovered a sect in I think texas
2008-05-09 13:40 < White_Cat> Alkivar that isnt confirmed actualy
2008-05-09 13:40 < Alkivar> its in the koran
2008-05-09 13:40 < Mike_H> Hell, my mom was married when she was 17.
2008-05-09 13:40 < Alkivar> its confirmed enough
2008-05-09 13:40 < White_Cat> Alkivar not eaxactly
2008-05-09 13:41 < Demi> well, beyond illegalities, it's not unknown to have legal marriages for teenagers, with parental consent
2008-05-09 13:41 < White_Cat> its a dispute concerning records
2008-05-09 13:41 < bumm13> even though it's nasty
2008-05-09 13:41 < White_Cat> some of them dont work out
2008-05-09 13:41 < White_Cat> but I am not an expert on the matter
2008-05-09 13:41 < Mike_H> Alkivar: Yes, a dispute concerning records. You have to remember, this was 1980.
2008-05-09 13:41 < White_Cat> I overhead a discussion on the matter
2008-05-09 13:41 < Mike_H> Turkey didn't get electricity until 1984.
2008-05-09 13:41 < Fireaxe888> In Soviet Wikipedia:records dispute you
2008-05-09 13:42 < Alkivar> Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, when the marriage was consummated. Muhammad was 56 years old when he took the child to bed. [2][4][5][6]
2008-05-09 13:42 < Fireaxe888> mike h_1950s here
2008-05-09 13:42 < White_Cat> Mike_H mohammed lived well over 800 years ago
2008-05-09 13:42 < Demi> marriage practices in islamic countries are.... interesting
2008-05-09 13:42 < Alkivar> she was married at 9... the 6 or 7 part is the debated issue
2008-05-09 13:42 < Mike_H> Fireaxe888: oh, you
2008-05-09 13:42 < Mike_H> you're from Turkey?
2008-05-09 13:42 < Fireaxe888> Nope
2008-05-09 13:42 < Fireaxe888> west
2008-05-09 13:42 < White_Cat> Demi the interesting thing is the interpretations
2008-05-09 13:42 < Fireaxe888> guess where I am
2008-05-09 13:42 < Mike_H> I don't know.
2008-05-09 13:42 < White_Cat> Fire hawaii?
2008-05-09 13:42 < Demi> sure
2008-05-09 13:42 * Mike_H did a whois.
2008-05-09 13:43 < Mike_H> It says "cablebg."
2008-05-09 13:43 < Mike_H> Bulgaria?
2008-05-09 13:43 < Fireaxe888> darn you
2008-05-09 13:43 < Demi> but some form of temporary marriage seems to be reasonably common, as is polygamy
2008-05-09 13:43 < Fireaxe888> yes
2008-05-09 13:43 < White_Cat> Demi there had been a very recent child sexual abuse thing in Turkey
2008-05-09 13:43 < Mike_H> Well, Bulgaria's close to Greece.
2008-05-09 13:43 < White_Cat> the person doing it was your ultra-religious conservative columnist on such a newspaper
2008-05-09 13:43 < Mike_H> and Turkey.
2008-05-09 13:43 < Demi> i don't know a lot about turkey, i'm thinking more of the "non-secular" governments of the islamic world
2008-05-09 13:44 < Lycurgus> i ammend my prediction about the democratic ticket: after WV as stated but not for the announcement, for the deal to be have been struck; the announcement after the last primary (ie. june 3)
2008-05-09 13:44 < Mike_H> White_Cat: It wasn't in Hurriyet, was it?
2008-05-09 13:44 < Mike_H> You love reading Hurriyet.
2008-05-09 13:44 < White_Cat> Mike_H its in the general news
2008-05-09 13:44 < Fireaxe888> and romania and serbia and macedonia
2008-05-09 13:44 < White_Cat> Demi whats discusting is the people defending this person
2008-05-09 13:44 < Demi> which person? mohammed?
2008-05-09 13:44 < Mike_H> Fireaxe888: So you're from Ken Lee country.
2008-05-09 13:44 < White_Cat> they are almost saying it is OK to sexualy abouse 15 year old girls
2008-05-09 13:44 * Mike_H serenades Fireaxe888
2008-05-09 13:44 < Mike_H> Ken Lee
2008-05-09 13:44 < Mike_H> tulibu dibu douchoo....
2008-05-09 13:45 < White_Cat> the frame of mind of ultra-religious people is rather scary
2008-05-09 13:45 < Working_Cat> a love struck romeo...
2008-05-09 13:45 < Working_Cat> sings in the streets a serenade
2008-05-09 13:45 < Working_Cat> laying everybody low...
2008-05-09 13:45 < White_Cat> since they are the guardians of morallity they redefine "moralitty" to fit their needs
2008-05-09 13:45 < Working_Cat> with a love song that he made
2008-05-09 13:45 < Fireaxe888> True.I'm an agnostic Fundamentalist and proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-05-09 13:46 < Working_Cat> Debt to the infidels!!
2008-05-09 13:46 < Demi> in lots of eras of human history this would have been a common time to get married
2008-05-09 13:47 < Working_Cat> "Died of a blogging accident" lol
2008-05-09 13:47 < Mike_H> Isn't Bulgaria the only country in Europe that wasn't a Soviet republic that writes in Cyrillic?
2008-05-09 13:47 < Alkivar> i'm ultra-religious
2008-05-09 13:47 < Alkivar> my religion is pastafarianism though so its ok
2008-05-09 13:47 < zocky> Mike_H, also macedonia
2008-05-09 13:47 < Mike_H> zocky: Oh, Macedonia too?
2008-05-09 13:47 < Demi> when can pastafarians marry girls, then?
2008-05-09 13:48 < zocky> Mike_H, and serbia and montenegro use both cyrillic and latin
2008-05-09 13:48 < Mike_H> zocky: Didn't the old Yugoslavia just use Cyrillic?
2008-05-09 13:48 < Alkivar> demi: whenever she is touched by his noodly appendage
2008-05-09 13:48 < bumm13> zocky: arg
2008-05-09 13:48 < zocky> Mike_H, no, both
2008-05-09 13:48 < Alkivar> its not codified into the bible
2008-05-09 13:48 < Mike_H> zocky: oh, they did, even back then?
2008-05-09 13:48 < Fireaxe888> yup
2008-05-09 13:48 < Fireaxe888> we werent soviet republics
2008-05-09 13:48 < Demi> Alkivar - not to be too explicit, but you mean when... er... the marinara sauce appears for the first time?
2008-05-09 13:48 < zocky> Mike_H, latin in slovenia and croatia, cyrillic in macedonia, both in serbia, montenegro and bosnia
2008-05-09 13:48 < bumm13> just Soviet Bloc
2008-05-09 13:48 < Mike_H> Well, I know that, but I wanted to phrase my question so people wouldn't go
2008-05-09 13:48 < Mike_H> "UKRAINE DID TOO"
2008-05-09 13:48 < Mike_H> you know?
2008-05-09 13:49 < bumm13> Demi - :#
2008-05-09 13:49 < Alkivar> Demi: lol love that phrasing... i would assume thats a requirement yes
2008-05-09 13:49 < Fireaxe888> personally i dont like music idol
2008-05-09 13:49 < Fireaxe888> its on tv now
2008-05-09 13:49 < Alkivar> this conversation so deserves to be on bash
2008-05-09 13:49 < bumm13> a Bulgarian variant?
2008-05-09 13:49 < Fireaxe888> yep
2008-05-09 13:49 < Mike_H> bumm13: Yeah, the Bulgarian version of American Idol
2008-05-09 13:49 < bumm13> yeah, I hate that shit, too
2008-05-09 13:49 < zocky> ken leeeeeeeeeeeee
2008-05-09 13:49 < Demi> deal or no deal is traveling to all the terribly shabby international versions of it
2008-05-09 13:50 < Mike_H> Fireaxe888: American Idol is running here right now. We're now down to the final three singers.
2008-05-09 13:50 < ggreer> vas o no vas is the best version
2008-05-09 13:50 < ggreer> the prize is like $10,000
2008-05-09 13:50 < ggreer> it's hilarious
2008-05-09 13:50 < bumm13> "You guys go or don't go?"
2008-05-09 13:50 < Mike_H> Is this the Mexican version or the American version for Spanish speakers?
2008-05-09 13:51 < ggreer> it's the version that is aired on telemundo
2008-05-09 13:51 < Mike_H> okay, so American for Spanish
2008-05-09 13:51 < Working_Cat> telemundo!!
2008-05-09 13:51 < bumm13> that's a U.S. network
2008-05-09 13:51 < bumm13> yeah
2008-05-09 13:51 < White_Cat> Mike_H
2008-05-09 13:51 < White_Cat> http://66.249.93.99/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=%22H%C3%BCseyin+%C3%9Czmez%22+%2214+year%22&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en
2008-05-09 13:51 < Mike_H> White_Cat: What is this?
2008-05-09 13:51 < Fireaxe888> ken lee is cool
2008-05-09 13:51 < White_Cat> google link
2008-05-09 13:51 < bumm13> Azteca America is actually a U.S. version of a Mexican network
2008-05-09 13:51 < zocky> our dear cardinal had a speech in which he admonished people for being wasteful and greedy, and implored them to be frugal and ascetic. newspapers note that he arrived in a 120,000 euro car :)
2008-05-09 13:51 < Mike_H> well, duh, but what is it?
2008-05-09 13:51 < Fireaxe888> the accent is horrifing
2008-05-09 13:51 < White_Cat> concerning the Ultra-religious child abuser
2008-05-09 13:51 < Mike_H> White_Cat: Oh.
2008-05-09 13:51 < bumm13> zocky: lol
2008-05-09 13:51 < Mike_H> I know Turkey has an Idol show
2008-05-09 13:52 < Mike_H> a few months ago I read that the transsexual on the show made comments "against the state" and everyone was all abuzz about whether they would arrest her.
2008-05-09 13:52 < Demi> lots of catholics like a certain amount of pomp and grandeur associated with their clergy
2008-05-09 13:52 < ggreer> zocky: if it was some sort of sports car I'll forgive him. if it was just some lame luxury car then yeah, hypocrite
2008-05-09 13:52 < Liempt> What about Catholics?
2008-05-09 13:53 < Fireaxe888> omg theyre singing that cant live without you on music idol
2008-05-09 13:53 < Mike_H> Fireaxe888: rofl
2008-05-09 13:53 < Fireaxe888> angels are crying
2008-05-09 13:53 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-09 13:53 < Fireaxe888> luv is di anser
2008-05-09 13:53 < Mike_H> White_Cat: I had to look up the transsexual's name
2008-05-09 13:53 < Mike_H> "Bulent Ersoy"
2008-05-09 13:53 < Mike_H> apparently a popular performer in Turkey
2008-05-09 13:53 < White_Cat> yes I know that one
2008-05-09 13:53 < White_Cat> yes (s)he is
2008-05-09 13:54 < Mike_H> did they ever charge her for comments "against the state"?
2008-05-09 13:54 < White_Cat> (s)he didnt just make a statement against the state
2008-05-09 13:54 < White_Cat> Mike_H nah they made it slip I think
2008-05-09 13:54 < Mike_H> well, Bulent Ersoy is legally a her now. She had the sex change and papers changed.
2008-05-09 13:54 < White_Cat> Mike_H right
2008-05-09 13:54 < White_Cat> but she was talking about giving birth
2008-05-09 13:55 < bumm13> Mike_H: they're very touchy about "against the state" stuff in al-Türkiye
2008-05-09 13:55 < Mike_H> well, wasn't her comment like
2008-05-09 13:55 < White_Cat> abd if she were to give a child she wouldnt send her son to the military service
2008-05-09 13:55 < Mike_H> "if I had a son I wouldn't send him off to die in the fight against the Kurds?"
2008-05-09 13:55 < Mike_H> and that got people angry?
2008-05-09 13:55 < White_Cat> she didnt metion the kurds
2008-05-09 13:55 < Mike_H> White_Cat: But that was who she meant.
2008-05-09 13:55 < White_Cat> rather the PKK
2008-05-09 13:55 < zocky> tulibudibudouchu
2008-05-09 13:55 < White_Cat> Mike_H there isnt a turkish-kurdish war
2008-05-09 13:56 < PeanutHorst> could i please borrow a chinese speaking person to explain a webpage to me briefly?
2008-05-09 13:56 < White_Cat> but a Turkey-PKK war
2008-05-09 13:56 < White_Cat> Mike_H a lot of people got very angry at Bulent Ersoy
2008-05-09 13:56 < zocky> yeah, like the americans vs. alqaeda war
2008-05-09 13:56 < bumm13> PeanutHorst: you missed Hildanknight being around a bit ago
2008-05-09 13:56 < zocky> in iraq
2008-05-09 13:57 < White_Cat> its long forgotten by now tho
2008-05-09 13:57 < PeanutHorst> bugger. :)
2008-05-09 13:57 < PeanutHorst> :( *
2008-05-09 13:57 < bumm13> (maybe an hour ago)
2008-05-09 13:57 < White_Cat> Mike_H other issues had picked up since
2008-05-09 13:57 < Fireaxe888> um can someone tell me what the hell you are talking about
2008-05-09 13:57 < Mike_H> White_Cat: I got a postcard from Turkey
2008-05-09 13:57 < Mike_H> just two days ago
2008-05-09 13:57 < White_Cat> latest dispute is the 1 may clashes
2008-05-09 13:57 < Mike_H> from my friend who married the Turkish guy
2008-05-09 13:57 < RambutanWP> Is it me or has the Wiki gone down?
2008-05-09 13:57 < Working_Cat> sort out your emotions first PeanutHorst
2008-05-09 13:57 < Mike_H> do you want to hear what it says>
2008-05-09 13:57 < Mike_H> ?
2008-05-09 13:57 < White_Cat> Mike_H if you like
2008-05-09 13:57 < Mike_H> "Mike,
2008-05-09 13:58 < White_Cat> unless it is confidential :)
2008-05-09 13:58 < bumm13> hiya ParsleyAngry
2008-05-09 13:58 < Mike_H> Lots of hairy guys here, you would go nuts! And they have gay bath houses and clubs. It's the best "Muslim" country for the gay traveler. Actually lots of Brits here...you'd love it. Miss you and take care. Jamie."
2008-05-09 13:58 < Kristopher> hmm, not plugging #wikimedia-cats anymore?
2008-05-09 13:58 < bumm13> :x
2008-05-09 13:59 < Mike_H> White_Cat: and the postcard picture is of the Blue Mosque
2008-05-09 14:00 < White_Cat> oh cool
2008-05-09 14:00 < Fireaxe888> lol
2008-05-09 14:00 < quanticle> Pilotguy: Heh. You do realize that you're going to have to maintain the status indicator now?
2008-05-09 14:01 < zocky> we should invent a silly colour scheme for the status
2008-05-09 14:01 < zocky> "Status: Orange"
2008-05-09 14:02 < zocky> "Status: Lavender"
2008-05-09 14:02 < Demi> maybe weird colors like chartreuse or fuchsia
2008-05-09 14:02 < quanticle> zocky: Right, but if we did that, status green would never be used...
2008-05-09 14:02 < Mike_H> zocky: Status: Cranberry...or Magenta...
2008-05-09 14:02 < bumm13> CONDITION: MAGENTA!
2008-05-09 14:02 < quanticle> Demi: Status: 0x334422
2008-05-09 14:02 < Mike_H> bumm13: or as the Top Models say
2008-05-09 14:02 < Mike_H> "magneta.
2008-05-09 14:02 < Demi> hex triplets forever!
2008-05-09 14:02 < Fireaxe888> taking care of an unhousebroken puppy is hard
2008-05-09 14:02 < bumm13> Mike_H: hahaha
2008-05-09 14:02 < Fireaxe888> I know
2008-05-09 14:02 < zocky> Mike_H, haha
2008-05-09 14:02 < bumm13> Fireaxe888: oooo, puppy dog
2008-05-09 14:02 < bumm13> ()o.o()
2008-05-09 14:03 < Fireaxe888> yup,3 months old
2008-05-09 14:03 < Fireaxe888> on the 15th
2008-05-09 14:03 < bumm13> what breed of dog?
2008-05-09 14:03 < Fireaxe888> beagle
2008-05-09 14:03 < bumm13> :-)
2008-05-09 14:03 < bumm13> my younger sister likes beagles
2008-05-09 14:03 < Mike_H> zocky: rofl, I made you watch that
2008-05-09 14:03 < Mike_H> didn't I
2008-05-09 14:03 < RambutanWP> It's down again!
2008-05-09 14:04 < Fireaxe888> He always craps and pees everywhere
2008-05-09 14:04 < bumm13> yeah, takes time
2008-05-09 14:04 < Fireaxe888> but i love him
2008-05-09 14:04 < Kristopher> anyway, #wikimedia-cats is almost emptry, but i wanted to mention the all-new 'return of the cats!' :D :D http://cats.kristopherw.us/
2008-05-09 14:04 < bumm13> aww
2008-05-09 14:04 < Mike_H> bumm13: magneta!
2008-05-09 14:04 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXNQ5gt6mZY
2008-05-09 14:04 < Fireaxe888> and only 3 weeks till we can take him out
2008-05-09 14:04 < bumm13> I see