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2008-05-08 18:36 < quanticle> Yay! Build's done!
2008-05-08 18:36 < Working_Cat> awww the scott left
2008-05-08 18:36 < quanticle> Time to go home
2008-05-08 18:36 < Working_Cat> yay my boss left too
2008-05-08 18:36 < Working_Cat> lol timing
2008-05-08 18:36 < Working_Cat> cya later, cat hater.
2008-05-08 18:37 < SynergeticMag> later quanticle
2008-05-08 18:37 < NotASpy> quanticle|away: I wouldn't mind if Guy was there to defend himself, it's just another case of someone attacking Guy in his absence.
2008-05-08 18:42 < NotASpy> someone tell SynergeticMag he's free to rejoin -en at any time, as long as he doesn't start going on about Guy, desysoppings etc.
2008-05-08 18:42 < Messedrocker> he was banned for talking about guy chapman?
2008-05-08 18:42 < Messedrocker> LaMe
2008-05-08 18:43 < SynergeticMag> heh
2008-05-08 18:43 < SynergeticMag> it was a combination of disagreeing with notaspy and then saying i was going to use /ignore
2008-05-08 18:44 < ideogram> I don't see how telling people you have put them on /ignore can possibly be productive
2008-05-08 18:45 < SynergeticMag> whats productivity got to so with irc?
2008-05-08 18:45 < ideogram> good point
2008-05-08 18:45 < SynergeticMag> s0 --> to
2008-05-08 18:45 < SynergeticMag> ugh
2008-05-08 18:45 < SynergeticMag> you know what i mean
2008-05-08 18:45 < SynergeticMag> do*
2008-05-08 18:46 < ideogram> well now, let's not get into what this channel is supposed to be again
2008-05-08 18:46 < Demi> yes please don't
2008-05-08 18:46 < SynergeticMag> i felt i at least had to tell him/her they were about to be on ignore, so they didn't waste their time talking to me
2008-05-08 18:47 < ideogram> I never put anyone on ignore, but I do stop talking to people I don't want to talk to. Eventually they figure it out. If I'm not interested in talking to them I'm not interested in helping them not waste time either.
2008-05-08 18:48 < ideogram> I think it's pretty clear the real reason to tel someone you put them on ignore (instead of doing it quietly) is to piss them off.
2008-05-08 18:48 < SynergeticMag> ideogram: no, i honestly was trying to be informative
2008-05-08 18:49 < ideogram> hm, even if you believe that, it looks bad
2008-05-08 18:49 < SynergeticMag> how could it possibly?
2008-05-08 18:49 < ideogram> sigh
2008-05-08 18:49 < SynergeticMag> the ban looks worse
2008-05-08 18:49 < ideogram> not interested in further discussing this
2008-05-08 18:49 < SynergeticMag> fine
2008-05-08 18:52 < Messedrocker> one of these days, alice
2008-05-08 18:52 < Messedrocker> i will buy the orange box
2008-05-08 18:54 < Demi> Mike_H - can you look at "WAY Too Close For Comfort" on this page; does it ring a bell? http://www.avclub.com/content/node/55967
2008-05-08 18:54 < Demi> anyone else, for that matter
2008-05-08 18:55 < geniice> hmm
2008-05-08 19:01 < Sfan00> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7389547.stm - This made by blood boil
2008-05-08 19:01 < Sfan00> If they want to scrap the Rehabiltation of Offenders Act , then it should be done via Parliment
2008-05-08 19:02 < Sfan00> Not some internal scheme whivh violates core principles of theway things are done in Britan
2008-05-08 19:03 < NotASpy> Sfan00: you didn't read the article did you ?
2008-05-08 19:03 < Sfan00> I did actually, and the comments following it
2008-05-08 19:03 < Cream> hi Sfan00 <3
2008-05-08 19:03 * Mike_H cuddles NotASpy
2008-05-08 19:04 < NotASpy> so how did you miss the fact that the scheme was to apply to those people who were dismissed for theft etc, but were never actually prosecuted, and so don't have criminal records ?
2008-05-08 19:04 < Sfan00> NotASpy: Well if there wan't grounds for a presuction, it's listing by suspicon which is NOT a good thing
2008-05-08 19:05 < Sfan00> BUT OK
2008-05-08 19:05 * NotASpy feeds Mike_H to Tyra Banks
2008-05-08 19:05 < Mike_H> NotASpy: :OOOO
2008-05-08 19:05 < Mike_H> I'll never come back alive!
2008-05-08 19:05 < Sfan00> And from reading the article, the database WILL include those actualyl convicted as well as those who wern't
2008-05-08 19:06 * Cream huggles Mike_H
2008-05-08 19:06 < NotASpy> Sfan00: not all companies will prosecute, even if there's evidence, indeed, some would suggest that companies wouldn't dismiss without enough evidence to prosecute and secure a conviction, for fear of being dragged to a tribunal.
2008-05-08 19:06 < Sfan00> It's indictaive of the 'Big Brother/ Little Sister" culture which is affecting Bussiness that don't want to actually trust people
2008-05-08 19:07 < NotASpy> Sfan00: the db only goes back five years. It's information that can easily be obtained by an employer via the CRB anyway.
2008-05-08 19:07 < Sfan00> Yes, but you don't need to involve the CRB for a normal retial role normally...
2008-05-08 19:08 < Sfan00> And it would be overkill
2008-05-08 19:09 < Demi> making a blacklist like that based on mere accusation is idiotic
2008-05-08 19:09 < Sfan00> When Bussiness actually makes REAL efforts against employye crime, I might be more friendly towards such measures...
2008-05-08 19:09 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 pm
2008-05-08 19:09 < Sfan00> Leslie_S: Good Luck
2008-05-08 19:09 < Sfan00> Demi: How many managers do you know that would only use it leigtmately?
2008-05-08 19:10 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 think itll work out?
2008-05-08 19:10 < NotASpy> perhaps, it depends on the retail role, the shop type, responsibilities, the levels of cash that could go missing, and the impact a few small thefts could have on the business. A part time job in a 99p show with a dozen staff, that's not just overkill, it's obscene, but managing a jewellers or a TV shop, would you trust someone with a couple of hundred grands worth of stock, a five figure...
2008-05-08 19:10 < NotASpy> ...float and access to the shop safe if they were sacked for stealing in their last job ?
2008-05-08 19:10 < Sfan00> When activists list shady managers of dodsgy arms firms -> Terrorism!!
2008-05-08 19:10 < Demi> Sfan00 - i can't see any legitimate use
2008-05-08 19:10 < Sfan00> When the media list incomptent councilers, officals and stuff it's Libel
2008-05-08 19:11 < Sfan00> Yet when Business implements a blacklist it's a nessacry mesaure in the fight against an obviously criminal employee population...
2008-05-08 19:11 < Sfan00> Of course the US would never implement such a database would it?
2008-05-08 19:11 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-08 19:12 < Sfan00> Due Process and all that legally acquired Jazz MP3's ? ;)
2008-05-08 19:12 < Demi> well, you might consider it a consequence of increased litigousness here, but employers typically share very little information on employees, precisely due to the risk of being sued by employees negatively affected
2008-05-08 19:13 < Sfan00> Maybe UK employees need to start getting more militant, not that much retail is unionised...
2008-05-08 19:13 < Demi> many companies have a policy of providing no more than a verification of dates of employment
2008-05-08 19:14 < Sfan00> Of course the ideal soloution, rather than having a dtabase, is merely to have a National dtabase of all criminal accusations, available online...
2008-05-08 19:14 < NotASpy> Sfan00: that's the single worst piece of advise you've ever handed out.
2008-05-08 19:14 < Sfan00> ^a specifc database
2008-05-08 19:14 < NotASpy> unionised shop workers. That's the most ridiculous situation you can possibly imagine.
2008-05-08 19:14 < Sfan00> Of course you would also publish with that the Sex Offenders Register, and the Criminal Records...
2008-05-08 19:15 < Sfan00> Of course this would lead to the breakdown of modern Western democratic society, but we can't have criminal's, extremists and pedos wrecking the lives of us normal
2008-05-08 19:15 < Sfan00> law abiding, tax paying electors....
2008-05-08 19:15 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-08 19:16 < Invisible_Cat> hi Sfan00 :)
2008-05-08 19:16 < Invisible_Cat> Where is Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-08 19:16 * Sfan00 Ponders why if the UK wants to have Big Brother and Little Sister running the country it didn't just let the Germans or Soviets in....
2008-05-08 19:16 < NotASpy> striking shop workers would simply end up cutting their own throats, a worker for Greggs isn't like one of the chaps at Grangemouth, you close Greggs down for a couple of days, everybody wanders to their local bakery, Tesco etc, and Greggs goes bust.
2008-05-08 19:17 < Mike_H> NotASpy: Where are you from?
2008-05-08 19:17 < Mike_H> Aren't you from Corrie-town?
2008-05-08 19:17 < Demi> at a previous job i was accused of sleeping on the job by my idiot boss (i worked graveyard shift); i learned later after i quit that swing shift employees had been playing with the phones and forwarded extensions from where i worked to another part of the building
2008-05-08 19:17 < NotASpy> shut Grangemouth down for 2 days and you loose the Government £500 million and industry the same.
2008-05-08 19:17 < Sfan00> NotASpy: That doesn't epxlain why Retail workes shouldn'y be unionised
2008-05-08 19:17 < Invisible_Cat> see
2008-05-08 19:17 < Invisible_Cat> http://cvm.qc.ca/0411881/uniform.jpg
2008-05-08 19:17 < Sfan00> Demi: At least they didn't accuse you shrinkage
2008-05-08 19:17 < NotASpy> Mike_H: sunny Scotland.
2008-05-08 19:17 < Invisible_Cat> that's our new uniform
2008-05-08 19:18 < Mike_H> NotASpy: Oh, we talked about this
2008-05-08 19:18 < Demi> Sfan00 - if it had been a store or something, they might very well have
2008-05-08 19:18 < Mike_H> home of Sheena Easton
2008-05-08 19:18 < Sfan00> ANYONE who says unions are a mistake, has clearly not dealt with bad managers...
2008-05-08 19:18 < Demi> giving punitive power to someone with no requirement other than making a false accusation is really poor practice
2008-05-08 19:18 < NotASpy> Sfan00: they could be unionised if they want, but they've no real pull over their employers or Government, they would simply be wasting their time and money.
2008-05-08 19:19 < Sfan00> That's not a reason against it...
2008-05-08 19:19 < Sfan00> It's all a matter of collective power...
2008-05-08 19:19 < Sfan00> Enough people in a Union and it can achive things...
2008-05-08 19:19 < Sfan00> Telling unions they have no power is something employers do a lot
2008-05-08 19:20 < Demi> i suspect for an unskilled workforce a union wouldn't really be that effective, though
2008-05-08 19:20 < Sfan00> That said you obviously need some controls to stop the RMT style hostage taking strikes
2008-05-08 19:20 < NotASpy> nope, but when it comes to collective power demanding Greggs raise their wages, all that happens is Greggs goes bust any everybody looses their jobs. Sure, they've got the power to get what they want in the short term, but long term, nah.
2008-05-08 19:20 < Sfan00> Unions aren't stupid, some of them do see the long term
2008-05-08 19:20 * Mike_H cuddles ThePolecat
2008-05-08 19:21 * ThePolecat purrs
2008-05-08 19:21 < Sfan00> It's employers that are short-termist's
2008-05-08 19:21 < ThePolecat> 'ello.
2008-05-08 19:21 < Demi> i just don't see the collective will in a union of highly replaceable unskilled workers
2008-05-08 19:21 < Sfan00> Demi: It's precisly because of thier unskilled status that the union is needed... ;)
2008-05-08 19:21 < NotASpy> if you could get every single shop worker out on strike, then you would have a compelling argument for unionisation.
2008-05-08 19:22 * ThePolecat thought Mrs Thatcher's 1983 programme, economically right wing to the extreme then, sounds quite moderate now.
2008-05-08 19:22 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: It got her elected!
2008-05-08 19:22 < Mike_H> and then elected again!
2008-05-08 19:22 < ThePolecat> Did.
2008-05-08 19:22 < ThePolecat> Labour in those days were pretty stupid
2008-05-08 19:22 < Sfan00> Don't mention THAT woman,,.,,
2008-05-08 19:22 < ThePolecat> Aw...scratch that, still are.
2008-05-08 19:22 < Demi> Sfan00 - but what can the striking workers actually withhold? i'm not tackling the question of should, i just don't see that ultimately there's much bargaining power.
2008-05-08 19:22 < Sfan00> Demi: True
2008-05-08 19:22 < Mike_H> Sfan00: What woman?
2008-05-08 19:22 < ThePolecat> They let a clown like Boris Johnson become Mayor of London
2008-05-08 19:22 < Mike_H> Margaret Hilda Thatcher?
2008-05-08 19:23 < Sfan00> Mike-H: Thatcher
2008-05-08 19:23 < Mike_H> nee Roberts?
2008-05-08 19:23 < Mike_H> Baroness Thatcher?
2008-05-08 19:23 < Sfan00> yeah
2008-05-08 19:23 < ThePolecat> Yea, from Grantham, Lincs.
2008-05-08 19:23 < Mike_H> Her father was a grocer.
2008-05-08 19:23 < Mike_H> Alf Roberts.
2008-05-08 19:23 < Mike_H> Like the grocer from Corrie.
2008-05-08 19:23 < Mike_H> They were bffs.
2008-05-08 19:23 < Sfan00> ThePoleCat: Boris is alreayd persuing a tory aganeda...
2008-05-08 19:23 < ThePolecat> Thatcherism would be considered quite left-of-center these days.
2008-05-08 19:23 < Sfan00> Tough on crime , tough on anti-social, tough on waste
2008-05-08 19:23 < NotASpy> but I just don't believe that you're going to manage to get every single shopworker in Britain to strike, some of the Tesco bods are on share incentive schemes, I suspect that's true of other retailers too, I just can't see why some workers would strike when they and the company are rather highly linked.
2008-05-08 19:24 < Mike_H> Isn't Tesco like the 7-11?
2008-05-08 19:24 < ThePolecat> Boris Johnson is an utter clown.
2008-05-08 19:24 < Monobi> All UK parties suck, they don't understand the importance of individualism
2008-05-08 19:24 < Monobi> Not one of them
2008-05-08 19:24 * ThePolecat drinks sauerkraut juice randomly
2008-05-08 19:24 < Sfan00> NotASpy: You wouldn't get all shop workers out anyway, 'in sympathy' strikes aren't legal
2008-05-08 19:24 < NotASpy> Mike_H: it's our version of Wal*Mart, basically (even though ASDA is the real UK version)
2008-05-08 19:25 < Sfan00> And neither are so called 'flying pickets'
2008-05-08 19:25 < ThePolecat> Walmart got kicked out of Germany fast.
2008-05-08 19:25 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: That is so gross.
2008-05-08 19:25 < Demi> the Tescos i've been to are a lot smaller than wal*marts
2008-05-08 19:25 < ThePolecat> It is.
2008-05-08 19:25 < NotASpy> Sfan00: and that's the problem, who would go on strike when they know their competitors are still open for business ?
2008-05-08 19:25 < Sfan00> Thatcher Govt went veryt havuily for cuvring trade union power
2008-05-08 19:25 < ThePolecat> It tastes horribly.
2008-05-08 19:25 < Demi> and a bit more upscale, if you can believe it
2008-05-08 19:25 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Then why are you drinking it?
2008-05-08 19:25 < ThePolecat> Healf.
2008-05-08 19:25 < Mike_H> Ugh, they don't make vitamins?
2008-05-08 19:25 < ThePolecat> I have no idea what it does.
2008-05-08 19:25 < Monobi> Krimpet, answer me
2008-05-08 19:25 < Demi> what is ThePolecat drinking?
2008-05-08 19:25 < NotASpy> if you worked for TESCO, would you honestly bother going on strike ? All that happens is your customers go to ASDA or Sainsbugs
2008-05-08 19:25 < ThePolecat> It just randomly loafed around in my fridge
2008-05-08 19:25 < Krimpet> Monobi: what?
2008-05-08 19:25 < Mike_H> Demi: sauerkraut juice
2008-05-08 19:26 < Monobi> Krimpet, memoserv and your query window
2008-05-08 19:26 < Sfan00> Sainsbugs??
2008-05-08 19:26 < Mike_H> Demi: Wasn't that enough to make you vomit in your throat a lot?
2008-05-08 19:26 * Krimpet just signed on, query window is empty...
2008-05-08 19:26 < NotASpy> Sfan00: it's a Sarah Kennedy-ism for Sainsburys
2008-05-08 19:26 < Sfan00> Wasn't Tesco under investigation for tax irregularties?
2008-05-08 19:27 < Mike_H> Austrian man accused of incest upset at media coverage
2008-05-08 19:27 < Mike_H> BOO FUCKING HOO
2008-05-08 19:27 < Sfan00> It's s shame that in the modern world workers are too scared to demand better conditions because of the competition
2008-05-08 19:27 < Mike_H> he raped his daughter and had seven children with her.
2008-05-08 19:27 < NotASpy> Sfan00: big companies like TESCO are always "under investigation" - they sell such a wide variety of items, there's always going to be one or two items they should be charging VAT on but aren't, stuff that's incorrectly rated, etc.
2008-05-08 19:28 < Mike_H> I don't give two shits about what he thinks.
2008-05-08 19:28 * ThePolecat is not Fritzl-obsessed
2008-05-08 19:28 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Neither am I, dear.
2008-05-08 19:28 < Mike_H> It was on the front page of Yahoo! just now
2008-05-08 19:28 < ThePolecat> I'm glad.
2008-05-08 19:28 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-05-08 19:29 < Sfan00> It's a shame that arms companies now have de-facto immunity in the UK :(
2008-05-08 19:29 < Sfan00> Sorry on a political rant...
2008-05-08 19:29 < ThePolecat> "Under my under-cellar-cellar-aha-aha"
2008-05-08 19:29 < Krimpet> well, I'd feel sorry for his family, if the coverage is focusing on them too... he can rot in media hell, though. -_-
2008-05-08 19:29 < Mike_H> Krimpet: From what I've read, it's mostly about him.
2008-05-08 19:29 < ThePolecat> It is, at least here.
2008-05-08 19:29 < Krimpet> good, then. :)
2008-05-08 19:29 < ThePolecat> I feel sorrier for the community
2008-05-08 19:29 < Sfan00> In other news - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7389775.stm
2008-05-08 19:30 < Mike_H> Krimpet: One of the kids is close to death.
2008-05-08 19:30 < Mike_H> The media could be all over that but they're not, and that's a small victory for good taste.
2008-05-08 19:30 < Sfan00> Apparently, if you have a bouncy castle you are supposed to give it suitable supervison
2008-05-08 19:30 < ThePolecat> Amstetten is visited by more voyeurs than an Austrian city normally receives.
2008-05-08 19:30 < Sfan00> ThePoleCat: :(
2008-05-08 19:30 < ThePolecat> and they don't really deserve the bad rap
2008-05-08 19:30 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Oh, and I read about a woman in Germany freezing her babies.
2008-05-08 19:30 < Krimpet> I'd imagine they would, were it here in the USA. :/
2008-05-08 19:30 < ThePolecat> Oh yea, happens all the bloody time, oddly.
2008-05-08 19:30 < Mike_H> Then they listed like four other high-profile baby-freezing-killing stories from Germany in the past few years.
2008-05-08 19:31 < ThePolecat> Quite right.
2008-05-08 19:31 < Mike_H> and I'm like, God, what is it with the German diaspora and fucked up everything?
2008-05-08 19:31 < ThePolecat> It's frightening.
2008-05-08 19:31 < Sfan00> Mike_H: It's because they are 'liberal' ?
2008-05-08 19:31 < ThePolecat> people wanted to pin it down as an eastern problem
2008-05-08 19:31 < ThePolecat> not at all
2008-05-08 19:31 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Oh, like East Germany?
2008-05-08 19:31 < ThePolecat> our family policy is quite as conservative as the American
2008-05-08 19:31 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-05-08 19:31 < ThePolecat> but the last case was as far west as you can get
2008-05-08 19:32 < Monobi> Krimpet, ...
2008-05-08 19:32 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: What, near Mainz?
2008-05-08 19:32 < Sfan00> ThePolecat ; yeah but compared to parts of the US, you would sya Germany is liberal...
2008-05-08 19:32 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-05-08 19:32 < Krimpet> Monobi: what?
2008-05-08 19:32 < Lubaf> How's FireFox?
2008-05-08 19:32 < ThePolecat> I thought it was somewhere n north Rhine Westphalia
2008-05-08 19:32 < Sfan00> I eman some parts of the US still murder criminals
2008-05-08 19:32 < Monobi> Are you going to reply ?
2008-05-08 19:32 < Monobi> Or just ignore me
2008-05-08 19:32 < ThePolecat> I was talking about abortion/stem cell policy.
2008-05-08 19:32 < Sfan00> and consider homosexuals to be mentally deviant and thuss in need of imprisonment
2008-05-08 19:33 < Leslie_S> so after i put pics of me as a girl on my myspace, i started getting a ton of pageviews..
2008-05-08 19:33 < Leslie_S> :o
2008-05-08 19:33 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: I was looking at the EU country opinion polls for gay marriage
2008-05-08 19:33 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: To be fair, that doesn't happen in the US
2008-05-08 19:33 < Mike_H> and a lot of European countries have either the same or lower numbers we do.
2008-05-08 19:33 < ThePolecat> we don't have gay marriage
2008-05-08 19:33 < Leslie_S> apparently i make a pretty girl too. i mean, i dont see it, but people tell me im hot, and all.
2008-05-08 19:33 < ThePolecat> but something close.
2008-05-08 19:33 < Mike_H> For as much as Europe goes on about being so enlightened and liberal.
2008-05-08 19:33 < Sfan00> thePolecat: Well...
2008-05-08 19:33 < Sfan00> At least EU Countries don't murder criminals with state authority
2008-05-08 19:33 < ThePolecat> Mike_H: I guess we've made terrible experiences with social darwinism
2008-05-08 19:34 < geniice> 99% of terrorists are gay muslims. FACT.
2008-05-08 19:34 < Krimpet> Monobi: reply to... what?
2008-05-08 19:34 < ThePolecat> I wasn't talking about that. It's true that European police and jail systems are far more sensitive without it resulting in more crime
2008-05-08 19:34 < Monobi> Krimpet, my memo
2008-05-08 19:34 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: please tell me we're not talking about the death penalty again
2008-05-08 19:34 < Mike_H> :(
2008-05-08 19:34 < Krimpet> oh, I never notice when I get those
2008-05-08 19:35 * ThePolecat won't, promise.
2008-05-08 19:35 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: thank you
2008-05-08 19:35 * ThePolecat nods
2008-05-08 19:35 * Mike_H cuddles ThePolecat
2008-05-08 19:35 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-05-08 19:35 < geniice> Mike_H> no the gencide penalty. Comite a crime and we wipe out your entire ethnic group
2008-05-08 19:36 < Mike_H> geniice: With black people that'd take too long.
2008-05-08 19:36 < geniice> bantu and pymies are not the same ethinic group
2008-05-08 19:38 * ThePolecat always thought "pygmy" was just a collective term for short peoples
2008-05-08 19:38 < ThePolecat> in Africa
2008-05-08 19:38 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Ours are tall. They have to be for basketball.
2008-05-08 19:38 < ThePolecat> See...
2008-05-08 19:39 < geniice> ThePolecat not exactly. Read guns germs and steel
2008-05-08 19:39 * ThePolecat reads WP first
2008-05-08 19:40 < ThePolecat> "Pygmies (singular: Pygmy) refers to various peoples of central Africa whose adults have an average height..."
2008-05-08 19:40 < ThePolecat> Works for me.
2008-05-08 19:41 * ThePolecat took Quote Mining 101.
2008-05-08 19:41 < Mike_H> hot.
2008-05-08 19:43 < SynergeticMag> woot
2008-05-08 19:43 < Mike_H> Hi Maggie
2008-05-08 19:43 < SynergeticMag> hey mike
2008-05-08 19:43 * SynergeticMag is watching two guys and a girl
2008-05-08 19:44 < SynergeticMag> old tv show
2008-05-08 19:44 * ThePolecat has a blown-up tummy from the sauerkraut OD
2008-05-08 19:44 < Mike_H> SynergeticMag: with or without the pizza place?
2008-05-08 19:44 < SynergeticMag> without, since the rename
2008-05-08 19:44 < SynergeticMag> i liked it better as "...and a pizza place"
2008-05-08 19:44 < SynergeticMag> corp. idiots
2008-05-08 19:45 < Mike_H> I liked that Dharma and Greg show
2008-05-08 19:45 < Mike_H> Jenna Elfman was a good actress
2008-05-08 19:45 < svartkell> hi
2008-05-08 19:45 < Sfan00> Right who wants to start [[Wikiproject: Decency]] :)
2008-05-08 19:45 < Sfan00> ?
2008-05-08 19:46 < Sfan00> To assist in removing porn, smut and inappropriate content
2008-05-08 19:46 < svartkell> haha
2008-05-08 19:46 < SynergeticMag> Sfan00: christian?
2008-05-08 19:46 < ThePolecat> whoa, I can't hear my own voice over the "me!" shouts!
2008-05-08 19:46 < Sfan00> SynergeticMag: No
2008-05-08 19:46 < NoPegs> Uh, no, but I'll sure join its nemesis!
2008-05-08 19:46 < SynergeticMag> Sfan00: so you want to remove it from wikipedia?
2008-05-08 19:46 < ThePolecat> Smut/give me smut and nothing but/a dirty novel I can't shut/if it's uncut/and unsubt-/le
2008-05-08 19:46 < svartkell> my god there are tits on wikipedia
2008-05-08 19:47 < NoPegs> you can't take the porn off of pornography, it makes it a less informativ earticle...
2008-05-08 19:47 < Sfan00> I am an adherent in respect of the faith promulgated by the First Terran Portal to the Outer Space
2008-05-08 19:47 < ThePolecat> Which doesn't apply in the slightest.
2008-05-08 19:47 < SynergeticMag> Sfan00: i only asked because i wanted to know if its a pov issue
2008-05-08 19:47 < Sfan00> It's not a POV issue,
2008-05-08 19:47 < SynergeticMag> and more important, what kind of pov
2008-05-08 19:48 < SynergeticMag> its not?
2008-05-08 19:48 < Sfan00> It's an issue to do with context, WP:RS and WP:PUI
2008-05-08 19:48 < Sfan00> most porn is (C)
2008-05-08 19:48 < ThePolecat> he's been loath to expose people to content that'd rub them the wrong way for a time now.
2008-05-08 19:48 < ThePolecat> oh, it's not thatm is it.
2008-05-08 19:48 < svartkell> what's the point of a decency project ? just the removal of porn ?
2008-05-08 19:49 < Sfan00> The project of a decency project is to remove material which is 'inappropriate' for the context in which it is placed.
2008-05-08 19:49 < SynergeticMag> Sfan00: i don't think a whole project would be ideal, as most of the images are already free content
2008-05-08 19:49 < SynergeticMag> or something similar
2008-05-08 19:49 < Sfan00> And it should be possible to talk about pron without using lurid examples
2008-05-08 19:49 < Sfan00> *porn
2008-05-08 19:49 < SynergeticMag> give me a link to an article that actually displays what you mean
2008-05-08 19:50 < SynergeticMag> if you don't mind
2008-05-08 19:50 < Sfan00> Erm I thankfully haven't found one yet
2008-05-08 19:50 < SynergeticMag> so....
2008-05-08 19:50 < Sfan00> but they must exist given Wikipedia's size
2008-05-08 19:50 < ThePolecat> Heh... so the project is objectless.
2008-05-08 19:50 < SynergeticMag> ditto
2008-05-08 19:50 < Sfan00> It's to do with having the right attitude
2008-05-08 19:50 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-08 19:50 < Sfan00> Wikipedia should be an example
2008-05-08 19:51 < SynergeticMag> yeah but there has to be a usefulness to having a project
2008-05-08 19:51 < Sfan00> True
2008-05-08 19:51 < ThePolecat> right attitude being what?
2008-05-08 19:51 < Sfan00> Wikipedia also needs a list of 'banned' topics
2008-05-08 19:51 < ThePolecat> o.o
2008-05-08 19:51 * ThePolecat wants Aqwis to be here
2008-05-08 19:51 < svartkell> porn isn't 'good' or 'bad' as long as its NPOV AND encyclopedic
2008-05-08 19:52 < ThePolecat> which it clearly is, given its social role.
2008-05-08 19:52 < Sfan00> Porn has a social role?
2008-05-08 19:52 < ThePolecat> sfan, you need to understand that our limit is the law.
2008-05-08 19:52 < ThePolecat> Nothing else.
2008-05-08 19:52 < ThePolecat> specifically, American law
2008-05-08 19:52 < Sfan00> thePoleCat: That's not good enough
2008-05-08 19:52 < ThePolecat> It is.
2008-05-08 19:52 < Sfan00> Wikipedia should be implmenting beyond legal requirments
2008-05-08 19:52 < ThePolecat> That's how liberal democracies work.
2008-05-08 19:53 < ThePolecat> No.
2008-05-08 19:53 < Sfan00> Yes
2008-05-08 19:53 < svartkell> why so ?
2008-05-08 19:53 < ThePolecat> heh, gainsayery.
2008-05-08 19:53 < Sfan00> Wikipedia is NOT a democracy anyway it's an encylopedia
2008-05-08 19:53 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-05-08 19:53 < Lubaf> How's Wikidrama?
2008-05-08 19:53 < ThePolecat> we're a free source in a free society.
2008-05-08 19:53 < Sfan00> Porn is not free
2008-05-08 19:53 < Sfan00> Porn cannot ever be free
2008-05-08 19:54 < ThePolecat> of course it can
2008-05-08 19:54 < Sfan00> No
2008-05-08 19:54 < Sfan00> It can't
2008-05-08 19:54 < ThePolecat> every day people post their exploits to be used fairly freely.
2008-05-08 19:54 < SynergeticMag> Sfan00: um, google youporn and redtube
2008-05-08 19:54 < Sfan00> because if it was, it would not be porn
2008-05-08 19:54 < ThePolecat> Don't follow.
2008-05-08 19:54 < Invisible_Cat> SynergeticMag, add xtube.com too
2008-05-08 19:54 < Sfan00> it would be 'free erotic content'
2008-05-08 19:54 < ThePolecat> that's semantics.
2008-05-08 19:54 < SynergeticMag> danke Invisible_Cat
2008-05-08 19:54 < ThePolecat> of course porn can be PD
2008-05-08 19:55 < Sfan00> yes but it's not 'free'
2008-05-08 19:55 < ThePolecat> we should probably not feature any, but I don't think we do
2008-05-08 19:55 < Invisible_Cat> xtube is a lot of amateur
2008-05-08 19:55 < ThePolecat> Your notion of free is extralegal and therefore irrelevant.
2008-05-08 19:55 < Sfan00> 'free' porn -menas that it's produced without restrctions or exploitation...
2008-05-08 19:55 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porn
2008-05-08 19:55 < ThePolecat> which is entirely possible
2008-05-08 19:55 < Sfan00> Yes but not normally
2008-05-08 19:56 < ThePolecat> ah... now we're getting somewhere
2008-05-08 19:56 < Sfan00> Most porn involves exploitation
2008-05-08 19:56 < KTC> say who exactly?
2008-05-08 19:56 < Sfan00> Either of it's particpants or it's viewers
2008-05-08 19:56 < ThePolecat> you think all the people contributing to the "organ" articles on WP get exploited?
2008-05-08 19:56 < ThePolecat> if so, you severely underestimate the nonchalance people have about their bodies.
2008-05-08 19:56 < Messedrocker> holy crap!
2008-05-08 19:57 < Sfan00> ThePolecat: I don't follow
2008-05-08 19:57 < Messedrocker> only 1,373 spams in the last month!
2008-05-08 19:57 < Sfan00> Also as I have said, Wikipedia should be an example, implenting beyond the laws, and thus not shwoing stuff that offends the community ;)
2008-05-08 19:57 < ThePolecat> No offense...
2008-05-08 19:58 < Messedrocker> Sfan00, what may not offend one man may offend another
2008-05-08 19:58 < ThePolecat> but I think you're one of a minority having those qualms.
2008-05-08 19:58 < Messedrocker> for example, homosexuality is innocuous to me. to pat robertson, it's a damnable crime
2008-05-08 19:58 < Sfan00> Messedrocker: The community has standards
2008-05-08 19:58 < KTC> Sfan00, the problem is most of the articles will offend "somebody"
2008-05-08 19:58 < ThePolecat> so you should be careful to assume your own standards to be the community's
2008-05-08 19:58 < KTC> heck, the whole concept of Wikipedia offends some people
2008-05-08 19:58 < ThePolecat> yea, commie pig
2008-05-08 19:58 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-05-08 19:58 < ThePolecat> *s
2008-05-08 19:58 < Sfan00> ThePolecat: Of course, but sometimes the community must be protected from a minority ruling the majority
2008-05-08 19:59 < svartkell> lol
2008-05-08 19:59 * Messedrocker decides not to put up with this lame conversation
2008-05-08 19:59 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: You're the minority in this.
2008-05-08 19:59 < Sfan00> into a blind alley
2008-05-08 19:59 < Sfan00> MessedRocker; So you are saying the smut should stay?
2008-05-08 19:59 * KTC get back to modifying BoardVote for the upcoming board election
2008-05-08 20:00 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: You haven't even pointed out instances of it.
2008-05-08 20:00 < ThePolecat> so we have nothing to discuss.
2008-05-08 20:00 * Sfan00 wonder how long before ED or WR picks up on the fact that enwiki doesn't as rule remove contextually placed porno ;)
2008-05-08 20:00 < ThePolecat> there *is none*
2008-05-08 20:01 < Sfan00> Prove it
2008-05-08 20:01 < Sfan00> :)
2008-05-08 20:01 < ThePolecat> I don't need to.
2008-05-08 20:01 < ThePolecat> You're the crusader here.
2008-05-08 20:01 < SynergeticMag> Sfan00: burden of proof lies with you
2008-05-08 20:02 < Sfan00> It's a shame that sites like Wikipedia hide behind arguments or burden of proof and allegations of cursading...
2008-05-08 20:02 < SynergeticMag> even looking over the pornography portal, i dont see any innapropriate images
2008-05-08 20:02 < Sfan00> rather than bothering to investigate and take a moral stance...
2008-05-08 20:02 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: Listen, you point out something and we react to it.
2008-05-08 20:02 < ThePolecat> that's the usual way.
2008-05-08 20:02 < SynergeticMag> Sfan00: well, what do you expect, the burden of proof existed before wikipedia
2008-05-08 20:02 < Sfan00> You shouldn't have to rant and moan... , smut should just be nuked on sight
2008-05-08 20:03 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: You haven't had any on sight yet, by your own admission.
2008-05-08 20:03 < SynergeticMag> right, and theres no need for a project for that
2008-05-08 20:03 < Sfan00> There are more appropriate locations for smut and porn...
2008-05-08 20:03 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-08 20:03 < ShakataGaNai> Sfan00: you at it again?
2008-05-08 20:03 < Sfan00> I mean Wikipedia shouldn't contain it if the images exist elsewhere...
2008-05-08 20:03 < ShakataGaNai> Give it up...
2008-05-08 20:04 < ThePolecat> It doesn't.
2008-05-08 20:04 < Sfan00> How do you know?
2008-05-08 20:04 * Mike_H drops ShakataGaNai on ThePolecat
2008-05-08 20:04 < ThePolecat> Not having seen any is usually good enough
2008-05-08 20:04 < ShakataGaNai> hey! no dropping me on people
2008-05-08 20:04 < ThePolecat> I've been on board since 2004
2008-05-08 20:04 < Mike_H> ShakataGaNai: sry.
2008-05-08 20:04 < ShakataGaNai> lol
2008-05-08 20:04 < Sfan00> Ah well then thats Ok then
2008-05-08 20:04 < ThePolecat> and the offensive things I saw have not contained naked people.
2008-05-08 20:04 < Sfan00> ?me shuts up
2008-05-08 20:04 < Mike_H> What's the argument about today?
2008-05-08 20:05 < SynergeticMag> you don't have to shut up, just make a case to argue first
2008-05-08 20:05 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: Come back when you can come up with concrete example
2008-05-08 20:05 < Mike_H> I see wah wah wah but I don't know what it's about.
2008-05-08 20:05 < Sfan00> Mike_H: Wikipedia is NOT a pron site
2008-05-08 20:05 < Sfan00> *porn
2008-05-08 20:05 < Mike_H> Sfan00: It can be.
2008-05-08 20:05 < ThePolecat> Mike_H: Offensive content angst.
2008-05-08 20:05 < Mike_H> Some of David Shankbone's stuff is pretty hot.
2008-05-08 20:05 < ThePolecat> lol
2008-05-08 20:05 < Sfan00> Mike_H: Is it legal?
2008-05-08 20:05 < Mike_H> Sfan00: ...yeah.
2008-05-08 20:05 < sasquatch> Wikipedia is not a pron site.. but it could be a porn encyclopedia
2008-05-08 20:05 < Mike_H> sasquatch: Pornopedia
2008-05-08 20:05 < Mike_H> I love me
2008-05-08 20:05 < Sfan00> sasquatch: yeah but is porn notable?
2008-05-08 20:06 < sasquatch> it is in my books
2008-05-08 20:06 < ThePolecat> it is.
2008-05-08 20:06 < Mike_H> It can make something notable.
2008-05-08 20:06 < Mike_H> ifyouknowwhati'msayin
2008-05-08 20:06 < sasquatch> i mean, if you tape yourself having sex with a mexican hooker
2008-05-08 20:06 < sasquatch> that's not really notable
2008-05-08 20:06 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: Can we just agree that you come back when you've got a concrete example?
2008-05-08 20:06 < sasquatch> but the big name actresses
2008-05-08 20:06 < sasquatch> i think so
2008-05-08 20:06 < Sfan00> OK
2008-05-08 20:06 < Mike_H> sasquatch: But tape Paris Hilton having sex with a Mexican hooker
2008-05-08 20:06 < Mike_H> ding ding ding.
2008-05-08 20:06 < Sfan00> But I won't be searching for them
2008-05-08 20:06 < sasquatch> well, paris hilton is notable ortherwise
2008-05-08 20:06 < sasquatch> haha
2008-05-08 20:06 < Sfan00> Mike_H: Privacy invasion...
2008-05-08 20:06 < Mike_H> Sfan00: Please, like Paris gives two shits about privacy
2008-05-08 20:06 < Sfan00> WP:BLP
2008-05-08 20:07 < sasquatch> if she knew it was being taped
2008-05-08 20:07 < Sfan00> Mike-H: Well give her the benefit of the doubt OK?
2008-05-08 20:07 < sasquatch> then not really a privacy invasion
2008-05-08 20:07 < Mike_H> Sfan00: I don't give the benefit of the doubt to skanky celebutantes.
2008-05-08 20:07 < Sfan00> I've also held that 'sex tapes' ought to be private...
2008-05-08 20:07 < ThePolecat> to be fair, I think Paris didn't quite overlook what she bargained for.
2008-05-08 20:07 < ThePolecat> *over...whatever
2008-05-08 20:07 < ThePolecat> übersehen
2008-05-08 20:08 < ThePolecat> couldn't quite foresee...
2008-05-08 20:08 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Yeah, "didn't quite overlook" implies that she knew it was there
2008-05-08 20:08 < Sfan00> Of course It would be a real development for the internet if some sites, actually started to take an interest in the ease with which porno is available
2008-05-08 20:08 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: and this is the first time you've made an English error, that I can remember, in all the years we've talked
2008-05-08 20:08 < Mike_H> so, good for you!
2008-05-08 20:08 < Sfan00> and implmented appropriate measures...
2008-05-08 20:09 < Sfan00> I mean Google has safe search
2008-05-08 20:09 < Sfan00> which is laughavble
2008-05-08 20:09 * ThePolecat nods
2008-05-08 20:09 < Sfan00> becuase only the sites with not that 'bad' content are going to play ball and rate thier sites...
2008-05-08 20:10 < zocky> zomg, porn
2008-05-08 20:10 < Sfan00> I find it disturbing however that a search for say 'Cyberman' on you tube brings up 'adult' clips :(
2008-05-08 20:10 < The359> WHERE?!
2008-05-08 20:10 < zocky> that's only slightly less evil than marijuana, and definitely more evil than nazism
2008-05-08 20:10 < sasquatch> well, i mean
2008-05-08 20:10 < sasquatch> it's not like there's porn everywhere
2008-05-08 20:10 < Sfan00> when what i was actually looking for was 'fan-footage'
2008-05-08 20:10 < Sfan00> of a recent Dr Who remake
2008-05-08 20:11 < The359> search for Cybermen
2008-05-08 20:11 < Sfan00> zocky: Canabbis is getting stronger
2008-05-08 20:11 < Sfan00> and it's linked with mental health issues...
2008-05-08 20:11 < zocky> Sfan00, yes, it had 17-20% THC back in the 1970s, and now it's 20 to 30 times stronger
2008-05-08 20:11 < ggreer> zocky: wow, 600% THC
2008-05-08 20:11 < Sfan00> That said, maybe it's because the people that use it ALREADY have mental health issues, that the correlation exists
2008-05-08 20:11 < ggreer> how do they do that
2008-05-08 20:12 < zocky> ggreer, special evil neon lights
2008-05-08 20:12 < Sfan00> I mean, normal people don't do weed
2008-05-08 20:12 < The359> this is clearly all the fault of the liberal-leaners
2008-05-08 20:12 < zocky> Sfan00, half of people do weed
2008-05-08 20:12 < ThePolecat> weird, joints don't usually do anything to me except the nicotine flash that I get for being a non-smoker
2008-05-08 20:12 < ggreer> nicotine flash?
2008-05-08 20:12 < ggreer> I've never smoked tobacco
2008-05-08 20:12 < ThePolecat> the two times per year I do that
2008-05-08 20:13 < ThePolecat> well yea, I don't usually get pure weed.
2008-05-08 20:13 < Sfan00> thePolecat: In Holland?
2008-05-08 20:13 < ThePolecat> Germany
2008-05-08 20:13 < Sfan00> Huh?
2008-05-08 20:13 < Sfan00> It's Legal in Germany?
2008-05-08 20:13 < Mike_H> I smoke tobacco all the time
2008-05-08 20:13 < Mike_H> I'm doing it right now!
2008-05-08 20:13 < ThePolecat> smoking weed is legal in Germany
2008-05-08 20:13 < The359> we noticed, Mike
2008-05-08 20:13 < The359> you were begging for your girly cigarettes last night
2008-05-08 20:13 < zocky> Sfan00, smoking is legal on the continent
2008-05-08 20:13 < ThePolecat> tobacco as well, though they're waging war on that
2008-05-08 20:13 < zocky> posession is technically illegal in most places
2008-05-08 20:13 < Mike_H> The359: WELL I HAVE THEM NOW
2008-05-08 20:13 < Mike_H> so there
2008-05-08 20:14 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-05-08 20:14 < ggreer> smoking tobacco is about as smart as playing the lottery
2008-05-08 20:14 < Sfan00> Well it's odd that cannabis is decried as a mental health nightmare, when the effects of alcholism are better known and more catastrophic
2008-05-08 20:14 < The359> but you never win with Tobacco...
2008-05-08 20:14 < ThePolecat> it does give you a nice rush if you do it once a month or so.
2008-05-08 20:14 < Monobi> http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t214/religiousunion/RU_pictures/1775vs20059xa.jpg
2008-05-08 20:14 < Sfan00> And yet Alcohol continues to be widely available
2008-05-08 20:14 < ThePolecat> which is about my rate.
2008-05-08 20:15 < The359> drinking liquids does have its health benefits ;)
2008-05-08 20:15 < Sfan00> ThePolecat: Ever been to beer fesitvals?
2008-05-08 20:15 < ThePolecat> Weed is easier to make a habit, ime.
2008-05-08 20:15 < ThePolecat> Sure.
2008-05-08 20:15 < ThePolecat> ...and thus more dangerous than alcohol
2008-05-08 20:15 < zocky> ThePolecat, not at all
2008-05-08 20:15 < Sfan00> Surely you would agree that the after effects of a heavy drinking session are not pleasent
2008-05-08 20:15 < zocky> ThePolecat, ever heard of alcoholics?
2008-05-08 20:16 < ThePolecat> I have
2008-05-08 20:16 < Sfan00> Zocky; not to mention that long term alchol use, slowly kills organs in an insidious manner
2008-05-08 20:16 * The359 just thinks they all suck, and avoids all of them
2008-05-08 20:16 < ThePolecat> and I agree that it's probably more crippling than a weed dependence
2008-05-08 20:16 < zocky> ThePolecat, also very more widespread
2008-05-08 20:16 < zocky> ThePolecat, and unlike weed, it's real dependence, not juts addiction
2008-05-08 20:16 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-05-08 20:17 < Sfan00> Also Weed is decried as being used by young people, and yet they are quite prepard tto continue to prescirbe psych drugs like Ritalin ...
2008-05-08 20:17 * ThePolecat doesn't believe in the "entry drug" narrative
2008-05-08 20:17 < Sfan00> and the one that made depressive much more likley to top themselves
2008-05-08 20:17 * ThePolecat smokes weed occasionally but would never do artificial drugs
2008-05-08 20:18 * The359 only cheeses
2008-05-08 20:18 < ggreer> artificial drugs? because natural stuff is safe </sarcasm>
2008-05-08 20:18 < Sfan00> Of course the really dangerous drugs are the refined opiates and coccaine types...
2008-05-08 20:18 < Sfan00> Coccaine is REALLY nasty
2008-05-08 20:18 < ThePolecat> People on coke are awful.
2008-05-08 20:18 < ThePolecat> it makes people fake.
2008-05-08 20:18 < ThePolecat> really sad.
2008-05-08 20:18 < Sfan00> (Not to mention that it fuel, crime and terorr)
2008-05-08 20:19 < zocky> yeah, cokeheads suck
2008-05-08 20:19 < Mike_H> Me without cigarettes can fuel crime and terror.
2008-05-08 20:19 < zocky> junkies suck too
2008-05-08 20:19 < Mike_H> I was totally ready to punch a bitch today.
2008-05-08 20:19 < Sfan00> zocky; I was reffring to the situation in Columbia
2008-05-08 20:19 < zocky> but none of it is as bad as alcohol
2008-05-08 20:19 * The359 takes away Mike_H's soaps
2008-05-08 20:19 < zocky> Sfan00, the terror and the crime is due to the criminalization
2008-05-08 20:19 < ThePolecat> uh-oh
2008-05-08 20:19 < Mike_H> The359: immakillya
2008-05-08 20:19 < ggreer> Mike_H: dude, you're going to die when you're like 35 due to a combination of diabetes, heart disease, and lung cancer
2008-05-08 20:20 < zocky> people took drugs before they were illegal, and presumably there was no crime involved then, since it was legal
2008-05-08 20:20 < Mike_H> ggreer: I get tested yearly for diabetes, I'm fine. Considering my weight I'm actually in exceptional health considering. But thanks for your fake-ass "concern."
2008-05-08 20:20 < ThePolecat> My former chancellor is a chainsmoker since he was 16 and he's made it to 91.
2008-05-08 20:20 < FastLizard4> :DD
2008-05-08 20:20 < FastLizard4> I haz promotion!
2008-05-08 20:20 < Sfan00> zocky: Of course Tabacco is also a 'cartel' of sorts, but no one realises this,
2008-05-08 20:20 * The359 starts to dig Mike_H's grave
2008-05-08 20:20 < ggreer> Mike_H: I just think fat people are ugly
2008-05-08 20:20 < The359> I might be here a while, need a double wide
2008-05-08 20:20 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: Oh yea, nasty business.
2008-05-08 20:20 < ggreer> haha
2008-05-08 20:20 < Mike_H> ggreer: I've seen pictures of you, you're not exactly hot either.
2008-05-08 20:21 < ggreer> that may be, but I can run a marathon in under 3 1/2 hours
2008-05-08 20:21 < Lycurgus> aw leave him alone, go out in a blaze of dissapation kid
2008-05-08 20:21 < Sfan00> I've often wondered what would happen if you asked a group of 10 wikipedians to place a list of 10 drugs in risk order...
2008-05-08 20:21 < The359> yes
2008-05-08 20:21 < Mike_H> ggreer: When am I ever gonna need to run a marathon? I'm not from Kenya.
2008-05-08 20:21 < The359> please DIAF
2008-05-08 20:21 < LaraLove> srs
2008-05-08 20:21 < LaraLove> DIAG
2008-05-08 20:21 < Sfan00> LareLove:?
2008-05-08 20:21 < LaraLove> er DIAF, even
2008-05-08 20:21 < LaraLove> yea, that's what my nametag says
2008-05-08 20:21 < Sfan00> What does DIAF mean?
2008-05-08 20:21 < Mike_H> die in a fire.
2008-05-08 20:21 < ggreer> die in a fire
2008-05-08 20:22 < ggreer> Mike_H: I'm just saying a healthy body is more important than anything
2008-05-08 20:22 < zocky> kids, just don't do heroin at all, and be rational with the rest
2008-05-08 20:22 < Lycurgus> are you appaled at the lack of civility Sfan00?
2008-05-08 20:22 < The359> or do none and have no worries
2008-05-08 20:22 * SynergeticMag bangs his head on keyboard
2008-05-08 20:22 < Mike_H> ggreer: Of course. And I know there are ways to make myself healthier. Right now I'm not in a danger zone, though, so I'm not sweating it yet.
2008-05-08 20:22 < Sfan00> Nah... this is #Wikipedia
2008-05-08 20:22 < quanticle|away> It could also mean "Die in a freezer," y'know?
2008-05-08 20:22 < Lycurgus> yeah, that's the only place I've heard it used so I think
2008-05-08 20:23 < SynergeticMag> why would you think that 5 days is not enough time to fix an article during an AfD?
2008-05-08 20:23 < ggreer> quanticle: that doesn't sound as painful
2008-05-08 20:23 < Leslie_S> bah. detroit is such a dissapointment
2008-05-08 20:23 < Leslie_S> why would anyone ever come to detroit?
2008-05-08 20:23 < Sfan00> quanticle: The UK banned that type of freezer years ago
2008-05-08 20:23 < Mike_H> ggreer: But I liked the line about fat people being ugly.
2008-05-08 20:23 < quanticle> ggreer: I don't know? Have you ever had frostbite?