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2008-05-08 14:30 * quanticle off for a meeting
2008-05-08 14:31 < gwern> cthulhu '08: don't blame me, I voted for Yog-Sothoth
2008-05-08 14:35 < Garfieldairlines> hello wikipedians !
2008-05-08 14:35 < Fire> hello wikipedian !
2008-05-08 14:38 < bomma> hello
2008-05-08 14:39 < tinloaf> hi. is there any firefox-plugin which enables me to automatically add some tags like {{delete}} or so to an article by clicking?
2008-05-08 14:40 < Dendodge> Twinkle?
2008-05-08 14:40 < Dendodge> Friendly for maintainence tags
2008-05-08 14:41 < Garfieldairlines> hey
2008-05-08 14:41 < Garfieldairlines> twinkle is in the french wiki ?
2008-05-08 14:41 < Garfieldairlines> we can transfer it ?
2008-05-08 14:44 < gwern> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/07/funny-pictures-accepts-her-fate/ <-- let them eat tuna
2008-05-08 14:50 < gwern> 'This phenomenon of simultaneous discovery—what science historians call “multiples”—turns out to be extremely common. One of the first comprehensive lists of multiples was put together by William Ogburn and Dorothy Thomas, in 1922, and they found a hundred and forty-eight major scientific discoveries that fit the multiple pattern. Newton and Leibniz both discovered calculus. Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace both discovered evolution. Three
2008-05-08 14:50 < gwern> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/12/080512fa_fact_gladwell?printable=true
2008-05-08 14:50 < gwern> “There were four independent discoveries of sunspots, all in 1611; namely, by Galileo in Italy, Scheiner in Germany, Fabricius in Holland and Harriott in England,” Ogburn and Thomas note'
2008-05-08 14:51 < gwern> 'Typewriting machines were invented simultaneously in England and in America by several individuals in these countries. The steamboat is claimed as the “exclusive” discovery of Fulton, Jouffroy, Rumsey, Stevens and Symmington. '
2008-05-08 14:52 < The359> heh
2008-05-08 14:52 < The359> DirecTV is upgrading our system to HD
2008-05-08 14:52 < The359> which requires a new dish
2008-05-08 14:53 < Demi> it would be cool if your old dish turned into the new dish, Transformers-style
2008-05-08 14:53 < The359> they think it's too big for the house to handle, so they have to install it on the ground
2008-05-08 14:53 < The359> my mom, thinking it looks ugly down there, asks "Can't we plant a tree in front of it?"
2008-05-08 14:53 < The359> Clearly, she missed the memo on how satellite dishes work
2008-05-08 14:54 < Mahlzahn> Actually, unless the dish is now pointing at the horizon, only the LNB needs changing.
2008-05-08 14:54 < gwern> '“Lowell came in looking like the Cheshire Cat,” Myhrvold recalled. “He said, ‘I have a question for everyone. You have a tumor, and the tumor becomes metastatic, and it sheds metastatic cancer cells. How long do those circulate in the bloodstream before they land?’ And we all said, ‘We don’t know. Ten times?’ ‘No,’ he said. ‘As many as a million times.’ Isn’t that amazing? If you had no time, you’d be screwed. But it turns out
2008-05-08 14:54 < The359> we have a circular dish that's everal years old with one receiver
2008-05-08 14:54 < gwern> that is amazing. I had no idea tumor cells floated around so long
2008-05-08 14:54 < The359> the HD dish is oval with two receivers
2008-05-08 14:55 < Mahlzahn> is it pointing in a different direction?
2008-05-08 14:55 < The359> no
2008-05-08 14:55 < Pupeno> Isn't there a catalog of books on Wikipedia or sister-sites?
2008-05-08 14:55 < Mahlzahn> then they are probably ripping you off.
2008-05-08 14:56 < The359> it's the wya DirecTV has always done HD
2008-05-08 14:56 < Mahlzahn> the dish (and LNB) are literally just an antenna. Its the receiver that converts the signals.
2008-05-08 14:57 < The359> well I meant the post on the end of the dish
2008-05-08 14:57 < Mahlzahn> and if you are still pointing to the same sat, you don't need a different dish.
2008-05-08 14:57 < The359> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/DirecTV_5_LNB_Slimline.jpg
2008-05-08 14:57 < The359> that's the HD dish
2008-05-08 14:57 * Mike_H NP: Stars on 45 - Stars on 45 Medley (1981)
2008-05-08 14:58 < The359> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Directv_satellite_on_house_roof.jpg this is the standard dish which we used to have
2008-05-08 15:00 < gwern> '“It can be found that Laplace employed Fourier Transforms in print before Fourier published on the topic, that Lagrange presented Laplace Transforms before Laplace began his scientific career, that Poisson published the Cauchy distribution in 1824, twenty-nine years before Cauchy touched on it in an incidental manner, and that Bienaymé stated and proved the Chebychev Inequality a decade before and in greater generality than Chebychev’s first work on
2008-05-08 15:00 < gwern> 'Stigler’s Law was true, Stigler gleefully pointed out, even of Stigler’s Law itself. The idea that credit does not align with discovery, he reveals at the very end of his essay, was in fact first put forth by Merton. “We may expect,” Stigler concluded, “that in years to come, Robert K. Merton, and his colleagues and students, will provide us with answers to these and other questions regarding eponymy, completing what, but for the Law, would be
2008-05-08 15:07 < Mahlzahn> Pupeno: do you mean wikibooks? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects#Wikibooks
2008-05-08 15:24 < Zouavman> Greetings, peeps.
2008-05-08 15:29 < gwern> ;'Individuals with conservative ideologies are happier than liberal-leaners, and new research pinpoints the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities.' <-- I think we all suspected as much, really
2008-05-08 15:29 < gwern> http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080507/sc_livescience/conservativeshappierthanliberals;_ylt=AgBDfix4gFtVXTNVqmQoO3IPLBIF
2008-05-08 15:30 < Messedrocker> hah
2008-05-08 15:30 < Messedrocker> so they're happy because they can justify hatin dem darkies
2008-05-08 15:30 < The359> liberal-leaners?
2008-05-08 15:30 < The359> is that a term now?
2008-05-08 15:32 < Demi> guilt by association with dreaded liberals
2008-05-08 15:32 < gwern> The359: well, you can lean against a wall to the right or left
2008-05-08 15:32 < gwern> so why not?
2008-05-08 15:33 < mastertop> hi
2008-05-08 15:33 < mastertop> What is the maximum pressure (kPa) at which a human can live?
2008-05-08 15:33 < mastertop> (or at least, survive)
2008-05-08 15:34 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-05-08 15:34 < Demi> i don't know if that's known. in what context, mastertop?
2008-05-08 15:35 < Demi> it's probably pretty high
2008-05-08 15:35 < The359> so what, are they comparing conservatives against that are only slightly liberal?
2008-05-08 15:35 < Demi> with the right gases
2008-05-08 15:35 < The359> Instead of, you kow, full blown liberals?
2008-05-08 15:35 < mastertop> just plain air, a normal human with a normal internal pressury
2008-05-08 15:35 < Ceiling_Cat> mastertop - http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_maximum_depth_a_human_can_dive_to
2008-05-08 15:35 < Ceiling_Cat> The oxygen becomes toxic at approximately 1.6 bar partial pressure effectively giving you a maximum safe diving depth on air of around 70 metres.
2008-05-08 15:35 < Demi> what do you mean "normal internal pressure"?
2008-05-08 15:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Does that answer your question, son?
2008-05-08 15:36 < mastertop> Demi, well, if you have the same pressure in yourself than outside... the pressure won't crush you up
2008-05-08 15:37 < mastertop> that's what I was reffering to when asking my question
2008-05-08 15:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Demi - your lungs will give out long beore the rest of your body
2008-05-08 15:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Erm, masterop
2008-05-08 15:37 < Ceiling_Cat> mastertop*
2008-05-08 15:37 < gwern> '“End the dynasty!” a young man holding an Obama poster shouted when Chelsea Clinton stepped to the microphone.'
2008-05-08 15:38 < mastertop> would it be like? what? 300 kPa ?
2008-05-08 15:39 < mastertop> I feel like it would be more than that, but still, you know, 300 kPa is live having 2 tons pressure over yourself
2008-05-08 15:39 < mastertop> like, not live
2008-05-08 15:41 < mastertop> then again, 2 tons might not be that much
2008-05-08 15:41 < geniice> mastertop you want to look up the dives made useing heliox mixs
2008-05-08 15:42 < mastertop> How is that related?
2008-05-08 15:42 < geniice> the deepest dives ever made used heliox mixes
2008-05-08 15:42 < Mahlzahn> because helium can be compressed better?
2008-05-08 15:43 < gwern> I don't understand people who don't think names can be destiny
2008-05-08 15:43 < gwern> I mean, look at the city of Bangkok!
2008-05-08 15:43 < mastertop> I'm in no way talking about diving... although it probably can be linked
2008-05-08 15:47 < geniice> unless the germans or the russians got up to something I don't know about the militry divers would have been the people who underwent the highest pressures
2008-05-08 15:51 < geniice> mastertop highest I can find a reference to is whatever pressure 701 m is equiverlent to
2008-05-08 15:51 < Mahlzahn> geniice: thats with a suit
2008-05-08 15:51 < geniice> nope
2008-05-08 15:51 < geniice> HYDRA 8 in 1988
2008-05-08 15:51 < geniice> hydrogen-helium-oxygen mix
2008-05-08 15:52 < Mahlzahn> 701 m is definitely not a free dive
2008-05-08 15:52 < geniice> sorry HYDRA 10 in 1992
2008-05-08 15:52 < geniice> Mahlzahn wasn't actualy a dive was a chamber test so they just upped the pressure
2008-05-08 15:53 * Demi verbs your up
2008-05-08 15:53 < Mahlzahn> geniice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_dive
2008-05-08 15:54 < Demi> no one was talking about free diving
2008-05-08 15:54 < geniice> http://www.comex.fr/suite/ceh/histo/histo%20anglais.html
2008-05-08 15:54 < mastertop> well, only free diving can lead to the answer
2008-05-08 15:54 < Mahlzahn> erm better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Immersion
2008-05-08 15:54 < Demi> "[12:36:50] mastertop: Demi, well, if you have the same pressure in yourself than outside... the pressure won't crush you up
2008-05-08 15:54 < Demi> [12:37:02] mastertop: that's what I was reffering to when asking my question"
2008-05-08 15:54 < Demi> no, mastertop
2008-05-08 15:55 < Demi> you asked about equalized pressure
2008-05-08 15:55 < Demi> pressurized air
2008-05-08 15:55 < mastertop> Demi, right, sorry, I didn't think free dive meant that
2008-05-08 15:57 < geniice> anyway the answer would appear to be at least whatever the pressure is 701 metres below the surface
2008-05-08 15:58 < mastertop> Where is there actual air in our body?
2008-05-08 15:58 < Mahlzahn> all over
2008-05-08 15:58 < mastertop> yeah?
2008-05-08 15:58 < Mahlzahn> yeah.
2008-05-08 15:58 < Mahlzahn> whereever there is blood there is air
2008-05-08 15:59 < mastertop> buuut...
2008-05-08 15:59 < mastertop> I mean... "great" quantity of air
2008-05-08 16:00 < Mahlzahn> define "great"
2008-05-08 16:00 < mastertop> well, a cup of tea of air is a great quantity of air
2008-05-08 16:00 < Mahlzahn> there is more oxygen bound in the circulatory system than in the lungs.
2008-05-08 16:00 < geniice> pretty much the lungs
2008-05-08 16:01 < Demi> gaseous air in your lungs and throat, dissolved gases in your blood and other tissues
2008-05-08 16:01 < geniice> Mahlzahn oxyhemoglobin isn't air
2008-05-08 16:01 < Mahlzahn> Demi: yes
2008-05-08 16:01 < mastertop> yeah, that's what I wanted to know
2008-05-08 16:01 < Mahlzahn> geniice: correct
2008-05-08 16:01 < geniice> some in the stomach and lower intestine
2008-05-08 16:01 < geniice> that would be pretty much it
2008-05-08 16:02 < Demi> assuming equalized pressure, mastertop, the problem is with those dissolved gases: nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity, thus the use of special gase mixes for deep diving
2008-05-08 16:02 < Demi> and then, slow decompression to allow the dissolved gases to come out of solution without fizzing
2008-05-08 16:02 < Mahlzahn> masterop: when you dive the dissolved gasses re-gassify, and thats why divers get the bends.
2008-05-08 16:03 < geniice> that more to do with surfaceing
2008-05-08 16:03 < mastertop> dissolved gasses in what?
2008-05-08 16:03 < mastertop> your blood system?
2008-05-08 16:03 < geniice> amoung other things yes
2008-05-08 16:03 < Mahlzahn> geniice: only in so far that the gasses don't hurt while you remain at depth.
2008-05-08 16:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Mahlzahn - have you had your cat today?
2008-05-08 16:03 < Mahlzahn> moo?
2008-05-08 16:04 < Mahlzahn> because I'm being antsy?
2008-05-08 16:04 < Mahlzahn> and irritable and pissy and all that?
2008-05-08 16:08 < cimon> http://willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/2008/05/wikipedia_blast.html
2008-05-08 16:10 * quanticle has had his cat today
2008-05-08 16:11 < haza-w> For some reason, watchlists can't be edited at the moment.
2008-05-08 16:11 * Mahlzahn doesn't find "have your cat" on WP. So it must be non-notable.
2008-05-08 16:13 < haza-w> Anyone else noticed this problem?
2008-05-08 16:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Mahlzahn - the FDA recommends an average daily allowance of 5000 grams of cat
2008-05-08 16:13 < Ceiling_Cat> cat is a rich source of many essential vitamins, minerals, and essential amino acids
2008-05-08 16:14 < haza-w> Ceiling_Cat: Not to mention several essential fatty acids (Omega 3 etc) from those fishy diets
2008-05-08 16:15 < Mahlzahn> I prefer dolphin. The other white meat.
2008-05-08 16:16 * Ceiling_Cat prefers baby, the other other white meat
2008-05-08 16:17 < Mahlzahn> [[Tastes like chicken]]
2008-05-08 16:17 < Ceiling_Cat> See also: http://www.flickr.com/groups/baby_the_other_other_white_meat/
2008-05-08 16:17 < Mahlzahn> masterop: [[Herbert Nitsch]]
2008-05-08 16:17 < Ceiling_Cat> Or Spoo - the other blue meat
2008-05-08 16:17 < Mahlzahn> great cat(egory). :)
2008-05-08 16:18 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Mahlzahn_Cat
2008-05-08 16:19 * Mahlzahn nibbles at the furry feline
2008-05-08 16:19 < mastertop> Mahlzahn ?
2008-05-08 16:19 < Mahlzahn> diving record.
2008-05-08 16:19 * Mike_H NP: Diana Ross - Upside Down (1980)
2008-05-08 16:20 < Mahlzahn> masterop: 214 m
2008-05-08 16:36 < Ceiling_Cat> LUBAF!!!
2008-05-08 16:41 < Lubaf> LOUD_CAT!
2008-05-08 16:41 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-05-08 16:41 < Lubaf> How's Filer Faster Thesis?
2008-05-08 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> still waiting for copyright permission from the ACM
2008-05-08 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> of all the people I asked, I expected them to be fatest
2008-05-08 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> fastest*
2008-05-08 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> instead, they are the slowest
2008-05-08 16:44 < Ceiling_Cat> it's shocking
2008-05-08 16:46 < gwern> the ACM has always struck me as insular and bureaucratic
2008-05-08 16:47 < gwern> I mean, just their academic papers situations demonstrates that - it's for and by academia, in the heart of computer science where Free Software and Content started - and you still have to register for half their stuff or whatever?
2008-05-08 16:51 < SynergeticMag> oatmeal
2008-05-08 16:51 < SynergeticMag> mm
2008-05-08 16:51 < gwern> bufallo
2008-05-08 16:51 < SynergeticMag> nah
2008-05-08 16:52 * quanticle launches pencils into the ceiling
2008-05-08 16:52 * quanticle accidentally hits Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-08 16:53 < SynergeticMag> thats no accident!
2008-05-08 16:53 < SynergeticMag> Ceiling_Cat is like the Grudge
2008-05-08 16:54 < Demi> that's a reality show, right?
2008-05-08 16:54 < SynergeticMag> the movie
2008-05-08 16:54 < Demi> they made it into a movie?
2008-05-08 16:55 < SynergeticMag> no, the Grudge with Sara M Gellar
2008-05-08 16:55 < Demi> oh, that's the MTV dance show, right?
2008-05-08 16:55 < SynergeticMag> yeah that one
2008-05-08 16:55 < Demi> nice
2008-05-08 16:55 < Demi> "tasteful use of crotch shots"
2008-05-08 16:55 < SynergeticMag> so ceiling cat is like an mtv dance show
2008-05-08 17:00 < bomma> seeing
2008-05-08 17:00 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR CROTCH SHOTS!
2008-05-08 17:00 < bomma> :)
2008-05-08 17:00 < SynergeticMag> eew
2008-05-08 17:02 * SynergeticMag makes more oatmeal
2008-05-08 17:03 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Synergetic_Cat
2008-05-08 17:05 < SynergeticMag> egads
2008-05-08 17:05 < SynergeticMag> you wont let me eat?
2008-05-08 17:06 * quanticle watches SynergisticMag splatter Ceiling_Cat with oatmeal.
2008-05-08 17:06 < SynergeticMag> i used coffee for that
2008-05-08 17:06 < SynergeticMag> i like my oatmeal too much
2008-05-08 17:08 < Project2501a> ok, seriously people
2008-05-08 17:08 < Project2501a> how hard is it to understand the difference between saying "murderer" and "convicted murderer"?
2008-05-08 17:09 < Project2501a> how hard is it for someone to understand that by describing someone as a "murderer", you're passing ethical judgement.
2008-05-08 17:10 * SynergeticMag scratches head
2008-05-08 17:10 < Project2501a> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hans_Reiser#Convicted_for_murder_Vs_Proven_Murderer
2008-05-08 17:11 < SynergeticMag> being convicted kinda names you as a murderer
2008-05-08 17:11 < SynergeticMag> by your peers
2008-05-08 17:12 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ?
2008-05-08 17:13 < Project2501a> SynergeticMag: yes, BUT you're not a PROVEN murderer.
2008-05-08 17:13 < Project2501a> which allows you to overturn the conviction
2008-05-08 17:13 < SynergeticMag> true
2008-05-08 17:13 < Project2501a> tis' another thing for me to stab bishonen in the face over the internet and found with a bloody knife in my hand
2008-05-08 17:13 < Project2501a> and having no body of bish, cuz i dumped it in a fjord somewhere
2008-05-08 17:14 < SynergeticMag> but how else do we "proove" someone is a murderer?
2008-05-08 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> "And if I go to jail, I'll get better food and more hugs" -- Grandpa Simpson
2008-05-08 17:14 < Project2501a> for 1st degree manslaughter, as hans was sentenced, you *NEED* a body or a weapon
2008-05-08 17:14 < Project2501a> else, it's 1st degree murder or conspiracy to murder
2008-05-08 17:15 < Sonja> why was [[Wayne Nelson Corliss]] erased? i think somebody vandalized it.
2008-05-08 17:15 < SynergeticMag> in the sense that someone has been convicted, i'd say they are a convicted murderer, murderer is actually subjective
2008-05-08 17:15 < Project2501a> that's what happens normaly. but since this is the new bush regime, you can just arbitrary assign murder sentences
2008-05-08 17:15 < Project2501a> SynergeticMag: THANK YOU
2008-05-08 17:15 < Project2501a> THANK YOU SIR
2008-05-08 17:16 < Project2501a> can you please give redrocket a clue?
2008-05-08 17:16 < SynergeticMag> yes, in one minute
2008-05-08 17:16 < SynergeticMag> Sonja: 21:07, May 8, 2008 Cobaltbluetony (Talk | contribs) deleted "Wayne Nelson Corliss" ‎ (G10: Pure attack page or negative unsourced BLP: See also WP:NOT#NEWS)
2008-05-08 17:16 < Lastsal6> hello all
2008-05-08 17:16 < Sonja> it was fully sourced
2008-05-08 17:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Hello Lastsal6
2008-05-08 17:16 < SynergeticMag> Sonja: WP:DRV
2008-05-08 17:17 < Project2501a> omg Ceiling_Cat!
2008-05-08 17:17 * Mike_H NP: Montgomery Gentry - What Do Ya Think About That (2007)
2008-05-08 17:17 * Project2501a cowerz in da prusunse of Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-08 17:17 < SynergeticMag> ask an admin, other than the one who deleted, to view its deleted history Sonja, if you don't want to take it to DRV
2008-05-08 17:17 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Project2501a
2008-05-08 17:17 < Ceiling_Cat> How is Patras?
2008-05-08 17:17 < SynergeticMag> it might be a simple mistake
2008-05-08 17:17 < Project2501a> Ceiling_Cat: sucks, as usual.
2008-05-08 17:18 < Sonja> wikipedia needs moer transparency
2008-05-08 17:18 < Ceiling_Cat> nothign that a few more cats wouldn't improve
2008-05-08 17:18 < Project2501a> NEEDS MORE RAM
2008-05-08 17:18 < Sonja> as a non-admin, i can't even see who deleted an article i contributed to, or why.
2008-05-08 17:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Sonja - yes, you can
2008-05-08 17:18 < Ceiling_Cat> go to the log
2008-05-08 17:18 < Sonja> in history?
2008-05-08 17:19 < Ceiling_Cat> what page are you talking about?
2008-05-08 17:19 < Sonja> i go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Nelson_Corliss and the history has been deleted too
2008-05-08 17:19 < Sonja> from the perspective of a non-admin regular editor
2008-05-08 17:19 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=Wayne_Nelson_Corliss&year=&month=-1
2008-05-08 17:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Tada
2008-05-08 17:20 < Sonja> why doesn't the "history" tab link to that then?
2008-05-08 17:20 < Ceiling_Cat> go to special:log
2008-05-08 17:20 < Ceiling_Cat> put in the name of the article you want
2008-05-08 17:20 < Sonja> how is an editor supposed to know that?
2008-05-08 17:20 < Sonja> history should show that, no?
2008-05-08 17:20 < Sonja> hence why i said wikipedia needs moar transparency
2008-05-08 17:20 < Ceiling_Cat> the history does not record logs
2008-05-08 17:20 < Ceiling_Cat> the history records save page revisions
2008-05-08 17:20 < Sonja> so you can see what is going on when some powerful person walks by and decides to do something unilaterally to an article peolpe were working on
2008-05-08 17:20 < Demi> hans reiser is certainly more notable as a murderer than a programmer
2008-05-08 17:21 < Ceiling_Cat> logged events (moves, deletions, protections) show up in the log, not the history
2008-05-08 17:21 < Sonja> why not have a "log" tab for the article then?
2008-05-08 17:21 < Sonja> to show such events
2008-05-08 17:22 < Demi> "BA in Systematizing" <- is that really a thing?
2008-05-08 17:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Sonja - that's an interface issue
2008-05-08 17:22 < Ceiling_Cat> you have to know where to look
2008-05-08 17:22 < Ceiling_Cat> but everything you want to know is publically accessible
2008-05-08 17:22 < Demi> i'm gonna say in bios if you put a degree you also need to put the institution
2008-05-08 17:22 < quanticle> Demi: How so? If Hans wasn't a moderately famous programmer, his murder wouldn't have generated the attention that it did. It would have been just another "wife goes missing and the husband is the suspect case". It wouldn't even have generated as much attention as Lacie Peterson.
2008-05-08 17:23 < gwern> oh no, not Hans Reiser again
2008-05-08 17:23 < gwern> the pages have been annoying
2008-05-08 17:23 < Demi> quanticle - you can't base decisions on "what someone is known for" by your conjecture about what would or would not have happened if things were different than they are
2008-05-08 17:24 < quanticle> Demi: True. I'm saying that the only reason his status as a murderer was notable was because he was already a minor celebrity.
2008-05-08 17:24 < Demi> Scott Petersen and Joey Buttafuoco were not "known" for anything like programming before they became public figures through trials and whatnot
2008-05-08 17:25 < SynergeticMag> Project2501a : done
2008-05-08 17:25 < quanticle> Demi: Lets put it this way. If Reiser hadn't invented a filesystem, would his murder conviction have been notable? After all, Wikipedia doesn't record every dude that goes and murders his wife.
2008-05-08 17:25 < Project2501a> SynergeticMag: <3
2008-05-08 17:25 < SynergeticMag> heh
2008-05-08 17:26 * SynergeticMag NP: Sum41
2008-05-08 17:26 < Demi> quanticle - it might not, but it would (or could) record everyone that has had such notoriety. and i think there are lots of examples of people committing similar crimes, receiving lots of public attention, who were not programmers. so "if he hadn't done X" isn't really relevant.
2008-05-08 17:28 < quanticle> Demi: Hmmm. I guess so, but I still don't agree with the statement, "Hans Reiser is more famous as a murder than as a programmer."
2008-05-08 17:28 < geniice> Demi nyet. Dig through the old baily records. Lots of murders and the like turning up that people had forgotten
2008-05-08 17:28 < Demi> geniice - what?
2008-05-08 17:28 < Project2501a> LIKE HITLER
2008-05-08 17:28 < Demi> geniice - what does that have to do with anything?
2008-05-08 17:29 < Lastsal2> surely he is only a famous murderer because he was previously a famous programmer
2008-05-08 17:29 < geniice> quanticle They are rather combined in people's minds. Is obama black or a presidential candidate
2008-05-08 17:29 < Demi> i didn't say "every murderer is notable", did I?
2008-05-08 17:29 < Project2501a> --GODWIN'S LAW INVOKED--THREAD TERMINATED--
2008-05-08 17:29 < Demi> Lastsal2 - so what was Scott Petersen famous for?
2008-05-08 17:29 < Lastsal2> unfortunately i don;t have the foggiest who he is
2008-05-08 17:29 < quanticle> Lastsa12: That's what Demi is trying to disprove. Reiser (like Scott Peterson) might have become famous even without being a notable programmer.
2008-05-08 17:29 < Project2501a> geniice: he's a damn good black presidential candidate
2008-05-08 17:30 < Project2501a> well, somewhat
2008-05-08 17:30 < geniice> Demi no but the majority historicaly haven't been this has changed somewhat in recent years due to 24 hour news and the like
2008-05-08 17:30 < Demi> more to the point, *it doesn't matter what might or might not have happened*, you can't determine that and it's irrelevant if you could.
2008-05-08 17:30 < geniice> and murder becomeing less common
2008-05-08 17:30 < Project2501a> mummia said it best, that even if obama gets elected, he wil still bow to his corporate masters.
2008-05-08 17:30 < Lastsal2> ace
2008-05-08 17:30 < quanticle> Project2501a: Well, Obama may not be a "damn good" presidential candidate, but he's "damn viable".
2008-05-08 17:31 < Demi> geniice - sure. but the fact that there are murderes who are not famous i don't think has much to do with this issue.
2008-05-08 17:31 < Project2501a> he's better than "shit my husband cheated on me"
2008-05-08 17:32 < Project2501a> clinton smear <3
2008-05-08 17:32 < Project2501a> anyway. he's not the best candidate
2008-05-08 17:32 < Project2501a> and no, i would not vote the lesser of two evils
2008-05-08 17:32 < quanticle> Of course, it could be argued that Reiser wasn't that notable. After all, the majority of the coverage was on Slashdot and Wired Magazine - hardly by the mainstream media.
2008-05-08 17:32 < Demi> Project2501a - Mumia Abu-Jamal or Scott Petersen? Are they running?
2008-05-08 17:32 < Project2501a> i'd vote for a black female congress woman
2008-05-08 17:32 < Project2501a> FREE MUMMIA
2008-05-08 17:32 < Demi> quanticle - yeah
2008-05-08 17:33 < Project2501a> shit, i wish mummia was running :D
2008-05-08 17:33 < Project2501a> or Noam Chomsky
2008-05-08 17:33 < Demi> quanticle - i guess what i mean is, i would mention hans reiser's conviction in the intro as opposed to paragraph 3.
2008-05-08 17:33 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-05-08 17:33 < Project2501a> NO CHEESEBURGERZ FOR U
2008-05-08 17:33 < quanticle> Project2501a: Heh. I'd love to see a primary battle between Mummia Abu Jamal and Louis Farrakhan.
2008-05-08 17:33 < Demi> as well as his status as a programmer, not after two paragraphs of boosterism
2008-05-08 17:33 < Project2501a> quanticle: bring on the popcorn
2008-05-08 17:33 < Project2501a> quanticle: there would be rumble in the jungle, all over again
2008-05-08 17:34 < quanticle> Project2501a: Of course, what would happen is that the Black Panther Party would split, and then you'd have a literal battle, not just a political one.
2008-05-08 17:35 < Demi> we need proportional representation so the Black Panthers can get a seat in Congress
2008-05-08 17:35 < Mahlzahn> any clever wordsmiths around? :) Need help with phrasing a 'Did you know'.
2008-05-08 17:35 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: I'm moderately clever.
2008-05-08 17:35 < Demi> Mahlzahn - throw it at the channel for suggestions
2008-05-08 17:36 < Mahlzahn> its about a starlet who hustled a movie director by extolling the virtues of a film ... but that she had not seen.
2008-05-08 17:36 < Mahlzahn> "Did you know that independent film actress Tanna Frederick got a foot into Hollywood by extolling the virtues of a film that she had not seen?"
2008-05-08 17:36 < quanticle> Demi: An argument could me made that, if you're going in chronological order, Reiser's conviction ought not to be in the opening.
2008-05-08 17:37 < Lastsal2> no i didn;t
2008-05-08 17:37 < Demi> it should really be in the "is a" sentence
2008-05-08 17:37 < Project2501a> Demi: the day i see the black panther party in congress, i'll fucking pop the moet
2008-05-08 17:37 < Project2501a> shit
2008-05-08 17:37 < Project2501a> POWER TO THE PEOPLE
2008-05-08 17:37 < Demi> anyone see In Bruges?
2008-05-08 17:38 < Lastsal2> nope but I hear it's good
2008-05-08 17:38 < quanticle> Demi: Is that a movie?
2008-05-08 17:38 < Demi> it is
2008-05-08 17:38 < Demi> (good and a movie?
2008-05-08 17:38 < Demi> (good and a movie)
2008-05-08 17:38 < Demi> no ?
2008-05-08 17:38 < Project2501a> no, but i saw [[Peter Watkin]]'s [[La Commune]]!
2008-05-08 17:38 < Mahlzahn> no. not I.
2008-05-08 17:38 < Demi> it's more or less completely unlike what you would think of it from its trailers, where it looks awful
2008-05-08 17:39 < Project2501a> [[Peter Watkins]]
2008-05-08 17:39 < Demi> anyway, one of the characters goes an a big spiel about the coming race war
2008-05-08 17:39 < Mahlzahn> any suggestions re the DYK?
2008-05-08 17:40 < Lastsal2> are you trying to keep the DYK part?
2008-05-08 17:40 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: I like it the way it is, but Demi thinks it ought to be a "Did you know... x is a..." sentence.
2008-05-08 17:40 < quanticle> Lastsa12: Yeah.
2008-05-08 17:40 < Demi> 'There is no page titled "Tanna Frederick".', so i can't really determine enough to rephrase "get a foot into Hollywood" which is a little strange and ambiguous
2008-05-08 17:40 < Demi> quanticle - pttttht.
2008-05-08 17:41 < RichiH> what is 'the top of the hour'?
2008-05-08 17:41 < Lastsal2> o'clock
2008-05-08 17:41 < Mahlzahn> Demi: yes, I'm working on it, and would adjust the sentence where that occurs so that its cited to support the way the DYK would need it.
2008-05-08 17:41 < quanticle> "broke into Hollywood" might be better phrasing.
2008-05-08 17:41 < Mahlzahn> s/would need it/would be appropriate for the DYK/
2008-05-08 17:41 < Mahlzahn> ah good.
2008-05-08 17:42 < Demi> well, i just mean as a sentence it doesn't really tell me anything
2008-05-08 17:43 < Demi> is that how she got her first job? met her agent? fucked leo dicaprio? see what i mean?
2008-05-08 17:43 < erwin85> Could someone have a look at [[Starbucks City Mug]]? I don't think it's fit for Wikipedia, but I'm not familiar enough with enwiki's policies to just nominate it for deletion.
2008-05-08 17:43 < Demi> and i would say "by praising Short Cuts, a movie she had not seen" or something
2008-05-08 17:43 < quanticle> Demi: So something more like: "Did you know that film actress Tanna Frederick got her first job by extolling the virtues of a movie that she hadn't seen?"
2008-05-08 17:44 < Demi> something more like that
2008-05-08 17:44 < quanticle> "First acting job," that is.
2008-05-08 17:44 < Mahlzahn> praised a film ... without actually having seen it.
2008-05-08 17:44 < Mahlzahn> she hustled the director in other words. :)
2008-05-08 17:45 < quanticle> Meh. If you can bullshit like that, you deserve the job.
2008-05-08 17:45 < quanticle> Or, at least, you deserve a chance.
2008-05-08 17:45 < Mahlzahn> I agree.
2008-05-08 17:45 < Mahlzahn> :)
2008-05-08 17:45 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight!!!
2008-05-08 17:45 < Mahlzahn> gnight.
2008-05-08 17:45 < Lastsal2> good night
2008-05-08 17:45 < quanticle> Goodnight Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-08 17:53 < geniice> hmm time to fire up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2008
2008-05-08 17:55 < Enchanter> #join Wikiversity
2008-05-08 17:56 < Mike_H> Enchanter: do you mean join #wikiversity
2008-05-08 17:56 < Mike_H> ?
2008-05-08 17:57 < Enchanter> Thanks Mike!
2008-05-08 17:57 < Enchanter> join #wikiversity
2008-05-08 17:57 < quanticle> Enchanter: its /join wikiversity
2008-05-08 17:57 < Enchanter> Thanks quanticle!
2008-05-08 17:57 < Mike_H> quanticle: I thought he was telling people to join :<
2008-05-08 17:58 < quanticle> Mike_H: I've done tech support before. I can identify confusion instinctively.
2008-05-08 17:59 < SynergeticMag> i need an article to work on
2008-05-08 17:59 < SynergeticMag> i'm bored
2008-05-08 18:01 < Lastsal2> get citations for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophotography
2008-05-08 18:01 < Working_Cat> YOU (Working_Cat) have joined #wikipedia
2008-05-08 18:01 < Lastsal2> could be a challebge though
2008-05-08 18:01 < Working_Cat> whatever a challebge is
2008-05-08 18:02 < Lastsal2> its a challenge with a blocked nose
2008-05-08 18:02 < Working_Cat> you brits and your weird spelling
2008-05-08 18:02 < Lastsal2> i'll keep quiet before you start throwing the 'zee' about
2008-05-08 18:03 < Working_Cat> zeejus, stop being such a zeealot
2008-05-08 18:03 < Working_Cat> <--- not american.
2008-05-08 18:03 < Working_Cat> junk
2008-05-08 18:03 < quanticle> Say, are there fairly proficient artists in here?
2008-05-08 18:03 < Working_Cat> quanticle: heh
2008-05-08 18:03 < quanticle> Er, are there any, I meant.
2008-05-08 18:03 < Working_Cat> what kind?
2008-05-08 18:03 < Lastsal2> yes <picaso> is usually in here
2008-05-08 18:03 < quanticle> Working_Cat: I need a tutorial on drawing trees.
2008-05-08 18:04 < Working_Cat> WELCOME TO KINDERGARTEN
2008-05-08 18:04 < quanticle> Working_Cat: I can draw houses, but I can't draw the trees next to them.
2008-05-08 18:04 < Working_Cat> ok start like this...
2008-05-08 18:04 < Lastsal2> start with mummy and daddy next to the house
2008-05-08 18:04 < Working_Cat> draw a ) shape... more like a cross between ] and )
2008-05-08 18:04 < Working_Cat> draw a [ x ( parallel to it
2008-05-08 18:05 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Something more like this, is what I had in mind: http://static.flickr.com/54/131897089_170ccf07f6.jpg
2008-05-08 18:05 < Working_Cat> well, fug it then
2008-05-08 18:05 < Working_Cat> <-- used to be a Student of Architecture .. a good one at that.
2008-05-08 18:05 < quanticle> Working_Cat: I'd like to be able to draw something like that, but I don't have the foggiest clue as to how to go about it.
2008-05-08 18:05 < Lastsal2> http://www.how-to-draw-and-paint.com/how-to-draw-trees.html
2008-05-08 18:06 < Lastsal2> use google
2008-05-08 18:06 < Working_Cat> Lastsal2: awesome tutorial.
2008-05-08 18:06 < Mahlzahn> I would think drawing trees was easy. e.g. Looks better when lines are wonky
2008-05-08 18:07 * Mike_H faints on Mahlzahn
2008-05-08 18:07 < Working_Cat> it makes playing guitar look as easy as thumping "we will rock you" on your desk
2008-05-08 18:07 < Demi> i drew a pretty cool shack once
2008-05-08 18:07 < Working_Cat> i shacked up pretty well once
2008-05-08 18:08 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: you did not.
2008-05-08 18:08 * quanticle has mastered perspective, but not organic forms.
2008-05-08 18:08 < Demi> my wife is a graphic designer and animator so i don't really draw much
2008-05-08 18:08 < Working_Cat> and i sacked a pretty cool one once as well
2008-05-08 18:08 < quanticle> I can draw architecture pretty well, though.
2008-05-08 18:08 < Lastsal2> draw a tree house
2008-05-08 18:08 < Mahlzahn> I'm an art critic. I don't need to know how to draw.
2008-05-08 18:08 < Working_Cat> quanticle: stop being a vain jerk. you cant even draw a frigging tree for cryin out loud :P
2008-05-08 18:08 < Mahlzahn> nor do I have to have any clue about art.
2008-05-08 18:09 < quanticle> Lastsa12: In order to draw a tree house, I need to be able to draw trees.
2008-05-08 18:09 < Working_Cat> quanticle: that was his point i suppose
2008-05-08 18:10 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Meh. I decided, at one point, that I need a non-computer related hobby. At that point, I realized that I could draw basic shapes (spheres and cubes) quite well. I decide to run with it, and see how good I could become at drawing.
2008-05-08 18:10 < Working_Cat> my only regret about leaving architecture is that i had to leave before i could make those cool ammonia prints or those white ink on blue ones... and not to mention that i never got to make any models.. except when helping seniors
2008-05-08 18:11 < quanticle> Working_Cat: You left Architecture for Computer Science?
2008-05-08 18:11 < Working_Cat> quanticle: that sounded a lot like "hmm... i can write html tags... J2EE here i come!!"
2008-05-08 18:12 < Working_Cat> quanticle: sure did.
2008-05-08 18:12 < Demi> drawing is just a bunch of stuff.
2008-05-08 18:12 < Demi> J2EE is easily "mastered" by dullards
2008-05-08 18:12 < Working_Cat> Architecture was my #3 fave career choice after CS and Structural Engg
2008-05-08 18:12 < Working_Cat> Demi: actually, you are right.
2008-05-08 18:13 < Leslie_S> blah
2008-05-08 18:13 < Demi> being an architect is a much more social-friendly occupation
2008-05-08 18:13 < Working_Cat> s/J2EE/Linux Device Drivers
2008-05-08 18:13 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Well, that's how I got into programming, too. I started programming because I realized I actually could understand my dad's old C programming manuals.
2008-05-08 18:13 < Working_Cat> Demi: thats why i left.
2008-05-08 18:13 < quanticle> Working_Cat: And here I am, programming Java.
2008-05-08 18:13 < Demi> you thought there might be a danger of having too much sex?
2008-05-08 18:13 < Working_Cat> quanticle: c > > > > html btw
2008-05-08 18:14 < Working_Cat> Demi: i realized i would need to talk to the gals in my class.
2008-05-08 18:14 < Working_Cat> who kind of seemed to like me somehow.
2008-05-08 18:14 < Demi> i "got into" programming through two or three things no more complicated than HTML
2008-05-08 18:14 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Right. I'd argue that knowing how to draw basic 3d shapes is at least equivalent to Python in complexity.
2008-05-08 18:15 < Demi> Working_Cat - and you're the kind of ultra-gay dude that can't really even stomach talking to women?
2008-05-08 18:15 < Working_Cat> i "got into" programming when i joined engineering... when they had the first "Hello World" lecture.
2008-05-08 18:15 < Working_Cat> Demi: i am very straight as a matter of fact.
2008-05-08 18:15 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Funnily enough, I've written Linux device drivers. I wrote one for a custom RFID reader that one of my EE friends built.
2008-05-08 18:16 < Working_Cat> quanticle: you are CS/CE arent you.. you dont count any more.
2008-05-08 18:16 < Working_Cat> from that point on, you only get -ve points for sucking at something.
2008-05-08 18:16 < quanticle> Of course, the "driver" did nothing more that read from the serial port, and parse the data correctly, but it was still exciting when I got it working.
2008-05-08 18:17 < Working_Cat> sadly, most people i know have a debt of over a 1024 points
2008-05-08 18:17 < The359> So, I was thinking about this earlier
2008-05-08 18:17 < quanticle> Working_Cat: I can claim (with some distinction if I do say so myself) that I've programmed in everything from assembler to Prolog
2008-05-08 18:17 < The359> and I never really got an answer
2008-05-08 18:17 < Demi> i had some BASIC in grade school. i used to do fancy formatting tricks with an epson printer by embedding codes in my word processing documents, and then as a secretary i wrote small applications in lotus 1-2-3's macro language
2008-05-08 18:17 * Working_Cat wrote a graphics driver which let you rended millions of smoothly shaded triangles using dma... which were used to bury secrets.
2008-05-08 18:18 < The359> Besides motorsport, are there any sports which, on a professional level, have men compete directly against, or alongside, women?
2008-05-08 18:18 < geniice> chess
2008-05-08 18:18 < quanticle> The359: Tennis. Mixed doubles.
2008-05-08 18:18 < Demi> The359 - adventure racing
2008-05-08 18:18 < geniice> free diveing
2008-05-08 18:18 < Working_Cat> The359: that tina tequila thing on mtv
2008-05-08 18:18 < The359> ok
2008-05-08 18:18 < The359> Pairs in Figure Skating as well
2008-05-08 18:18 < Working_Cat> The359: golf too. once in a while.
2008-05-08 18:19 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Its Tila Tequila, I think.
2008-05-08 18:19 < Demi> i don't know if pairs figure skating or mixed doubles really count
2008-05-08 18:19 < geniice> The359 note that there are women only chess torliments but prise money means top tend to compete with min
2008-05-08 18:19 < Working_Cat> quanticle: never watched it. just heard about it.
2008-05-08 18:19 < geniice> with men
2008-05-08 18:19 < Working_Cat> Demi: he said against OR alongside
2008-05-08 18:19 < quanticle> Working_Cat: I watch it when I'm feeling too smart.
2008-05-08 18:19 < Demi> it's not an even basis unless you can have two women, a man and woman and two men competing
2008-05-08 18:19 < Working_Cat> quanticle: to feel smarter?
2008-05-08 18:19 < Demi> yeah, i'm kind of thinking that's not exactly what he meant; but maybe
2008-05-08 18:19 < geniice> yatching
2008-05-08 18:19 < quanticle> Working_Cat: No, to feel dumber.
2008-05-08 18:19 < Demi> yeah, right, sailing
2008-05-08 18:20 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Being smart can be a disadvantage sometimes, y'know. You worry about things.
2008-05-08 18:20 < SynergeticMag> quanticle
2008-05-08 18:20 < Working_Cat> tell me about it.
2008-05-08 18:20 < The359> so basically, no sport has men competing directly against women
2008-05-08 18:20 < SynergeticMag> how do i ignore someone?
2008-05-08 18:20 < The359> besides motorsport
2008-05-08 18:20 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: On IRC?
2008-05-08 18:20 < Working_Cat> i went about my projects with absolute paranoia
2008-05-08 18:20 < SynergeticMag> yeah
2008-05-08 18:20 < The359> in a professional league
2008-05-08 18:20 < Working_Cat> MAGGIE!!
2008-05-08 18:20 < SynergeticMag> yo!
2008-05-08 18:20 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: /ignore
2008-05-08 18:20 < SynergeticMag> danke
2008-05-08 18:20 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: right click, ignore works too
2008-05-08 18:20 < Lastsal2> goodnight all
2008-05-08 18:21 < Phoenixwi> LOLOLOLOLOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catz
2008-05-08 18:21 < Working_Cat> bbys sal
2008-05-08 18:21 < Phoenixwi> so that's where this chnanle is
2008-05-08 18:21 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Only if you're weak enough to be using a GUI based IRC client.
2008-05-08 18:22 < Working_Cat> quanticle: fug you. elitist. condescending linux user.
2008-05-08 18:22 < Mahlzahn> now now
2008-05-08 18:22 < Working_Cat> im sure SynergeticMag was using one too.
2008-05-08 18:22 < Demi> i'll bet quanticle is weak enough to be using a GUI terminal emulator
2008-05-08 18:22 * Working_Cat swats the jester.
2008-05-08 18:22 < quanticle> Demi: Well, only because I'm on Windows atm :)
2008-05-08 18:22 < Working_Cat> weakling.
2008-05-08 18:23 < quanticle> Demi: But, in all seriousness, I do use gnome-terminal on a regular basis.
2008-05-08 18:23 * soufron hello
2008-05-08 18:23 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Whatever, ChatZilla newb
2008-05-08 18:23 < Working_Cat> anyways, we were talking about trees werent we
2008-05-08 18:23 * SWATJester dies
2008-05-08 18:23 < Working_Cat> quanticle: i was a newb when i used mIRC
2008-05-08 18:23 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Lastsa12 answered that question.
2008-05-08 18:24 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Heh.
2008-05-08 18:24 < SynergeticMag> what the
2008-05-08 18:24 * Working_Cat scraps SWATTEDJester off the table and dumps him in the coffin
2008-05-08 18:24 < SynergeticMag> i was just banned from #wikipedia-en
2008-05-08 18:24 < Working_Cat> er, i mean dustbin
2008-05-08 18:24 < SynergeticMag> jesus christ
2008-05-08 18:24 < Mahlzahn> SynergeticMag: presumably with good reason.
2008-05-08 18:24 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: heh. must have done something stupid
2008-05-08 18:24 < SynergeticMag> Manlzahn: um no
2008-05-08 18:25 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: im sure they require you to wash bowls and not trash them.
2008-05-08 18:25 < SynergeticMag> Working_Cat: yeah, i said i was going to ignore NotASpy
2008-05-08 18:25 < SynergeticMag> so he banned me
2008-05-08 18:25 < SynergeticMag> thats not exactly a good reason
2008-05-08 18:25 < Working_Cat> heh, thats fuggin arrogant.
2008-05-08 18:25 * Working_Cat agrees for a change.
2008-05-08 18:25 < Mahlzahn> I think what you said was...<SynergeticMag> i used to like the guy, back in 2006, but he attitude just sucks, and when i can figure out how to ignore you NotASpy, i am
2008-05-08 18:25 < quanticle> Yeah, I agree as well.
2008-05-08 18:25 < quanticle> After reading the backscroll of that channel
2008-05-08 18:26 < SynergeticMag> Manlzahn: yes, and thats a good ban?
2008-05-08 18:26 < Working_Cat> :S
2008-05-08 18:26 < SynergeticMag> guy = JzG
2008-05-08 18:26 < Mahlzahn> probably not. But NotASpy was acting under duress.
2008-05-08 18:26 < Working_Cat> i just got 3 "thank you" mails for a build that i posted.
2008-05-08 18:26 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: How so? What sort of duress was SynergeticMag putting on NotASpy?
2008-05-08 18:27 < SynergeticMag> how do i get unbanned?
2008-05-08 18:27 * Working_Cat has a sudden feeling of being scared when you know someone is going to be disappointed.
2008-05-08 18:27 < quanticle> I for one think that the ban was pretty unjustified.
2008-05-08 18:27 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: Convince one of the other #wikipedia-en admins to unban you
2008-05-08 18:27 < Demi> announcing that you're ignoring someone is a pet peeve of mine, though there is some small reason for it
2008-05-08 18:28 < Working_Cat> Mahlzahn: i think its perfectly legal to tell someone that their attitude sucks. and so is declaring your intention to ignore them.
2008-05-08 18:28 < quanticle> Looking at the wider context of the discussion, I'll concede that the discussion was active, and possibly heated, but not banworthy.
2008-05-08 18:28 < SynergeticMag> i don't care anymore
2008-05-08 18:28 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: :( dont give up
2008-05-08 18:28 < SynergeticMag> i don't see it as giving up
2008-05-08 18:28 < Working_Cat> Demi: why?
2008-05-08 18:28 < NotASpy> SynergeticMag: please *DO* give up
2008-05-08 18:28 < Working_Cat> heh
2008-05-08 18:29 < SynergeticMag> NotASpy: please lick my balls
2008-05-08 18:29 < quanticle> NotASpy: No - don't drag the argument into this channel as well.
2008-05-08 18:29 * Working_Cat wasnt in -en, but i can guess it must have been a heated exchange.
2008-05-08 18:29 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: shhh
2008-05-08 18:29 < quanticle> SynergeticMag, If you're not careful, I'll ban you from here as well
2008-05-08 18:29 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: That last comment was uncalled for.
2008-05-08 18:29 < Working_Cat> oooo little boy taking charge heh.
2008-05-08 18:29 < SynergeticMag> quanticle: i know
2008-05-08 18:30 < SynergeticMag> its the last
2008-05-08 18:30 * Working_Cat pets SynergeticMag ... calm down... i dont like attacking agitated worms.
2008-05-08 18:30 < quanticle> SynergeticMag, NotASpy: The two of you, cool it, okay?
2008-05-08 18:30 < SynergeticMag> k
2008-05-08 18:30 < Working_Cat> quanticle: you too.
2008-05-08 18:30 < quanticle> Working_Cat: I'm chill.
2008-05-08 18:30 < Demi> Working_Cat - i just find it unnecessarily dramatic and annoying. cousin to the older brother's trick of holding his hand in your face and saying "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!" It's a way of pointedly *not* ignoring someone, but instead continuing a disagreement in a tantrum-y way.
2008-05-08 18:31 * quanticle is chilling and waiting for a build to finish so he can resume coding tomorrow
2008-05-08 18:31 < SynergeticMag> quanticle: that command worked better, i couldn't find it right clicking
2008-05-08 18:31 < Demi> Yet, there could some small justification with especially thick people who can't tell when someone's not answering back.
2008-05-08 18:31 < quanticle> SyngergeticMag: What chat client are you using?
2008-05-08 18:31 * Working_Cat already finished and posted his build. now waiting for any lashback. only thank yous so far.
2008-05-08 18:31 < SynergeticMag> chatzilla
2008-05-08 18:31 < SynergeticMag> i may have funky one
2008-05-08 18:31 < Working_Cat> quanticle: in your face.
2008-05-08 18:32 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Where do you work, if I may ask?
2008-05-08 18:32 < NotASpy> /ignore NotASpy
2008-05-08 18:32 < Working_Cat> actually i've never needed to ignore someone since i started using cZ
2008-05-08 18:32 < SynergeticMag> quanticle: somewhere that lets him be lazy! ;p
2008-05-08 18:32 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: Heh. He's no lazier than I.
2008-05-08 18:32 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: shhh they might be logging it :P
2008-05-08 18:32 < SynergeticMag> Working_Cat: this is the first time i've actually had to ignore someone
2008-05-08 18:32 < Working_Cat> quanticle: in my cubicle.
2008-05-08 18:32 < Demi> you don't actually need software to ignore someone
2008-05-08 18:33 < Mahlzahn> you'd need gray cells then.
2008-05-08 18:33 < Working_Cat> Demi: what if you still want to talk to others without white noise
2008-05-08 18:33 < Mahlzahn> open a new chann
2008-05-08 18:33 < Mahlzahn> invite only
2008-05-08 18:33 < Working_Cat> Mahlzahn: sure
2008-05-08 18:33 < Leslie_S> bleh..im worried about being a trans trucker
2008-05-08 18:33 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-05-08 18:34 < Working_Cat> your friend and I.
2008-05-08 18:34 < NotASpy> ignoring someone because they're being exceptionally annoying is one thing, but ignoring someone because you don't like what they're saying, and telling them in an open channel whilst running off personal attacks, that's naughty.
2008-05-08 18:34 < Working_Cat> Leslie_S: i was gonna say that it was a pretty funky combo
2008-05-08 18:34 < Leslie_S> Working_Cat its not that uncommon
2008-05-08 18:34 < Leslie_S> Working_Cat its a damn good way to make money fast.
2008-05-08 18:34 < Leslie_S> im going to have srs in 2 years...
2008-05-08 18:34 < Working_Cat> NotASpy: naughty, sure. ban worthy, i would say no.
2008-05-08 18:35 < Demi> Working_Cat - i'm sure it can be convenient, i'm just saying it's not necessary
2008-05-08 18:35 < quanticle> NotASpy: Indeed it is, but is it banworthy? As a rule, I don't ban people that are disagree with me personally (and no one else) because I can't say if I'm banning them because I disagree with them or because they're actually being disruptive to the channel.
2008-05-08 18:35 < Working_Cat> most of things humans do arent necessary... and most of the other things are made necessary only by the society