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2008-05-07 22:54 < SWATJester> By eating your way out
2008-05-07 22:54 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and of course, over time everything starts to rust
2008-05-07 22:54 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: perhaps Jimbo will run en into the ground (not that he does all that much these days anyway), but that doesn't mean the articles weren't useful to millions of people while they were up, or won't continue to exist in some form
2008-05-07 22:54 < The359> Jimbo's too busy pimping the ladies
2008-05-07 22:54 < Ziggy_Sawdust> so even if it's perfect, you've got to go through all the articles once a month or so and wipe off the crud
2008-05-07 22:54 < SWATJester> Yeah, en helped me through my first year of law school. If it fails tomorrow I'm still better off for it
2008-05-07 22:54 < quanticle> gwern: Indeed. Its all about the articles. The useful tidbits that help explain life's little mysteries.
2008-05-07 22:55 < Lucifer_Cat> Quite fittingly, the Middle East map is now all green
2008-05-07 22:55 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and then you've got the people who decide to run wildly through the streets blindly swinging wiffle bats
2008-05-07 22:55 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and the people who make gigantic penises out of tin cans in the middle of everything
2008-05-07 22:55 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: your troops in Jordan and Baghdad were fucking awesome.
2008-05-07 22:55 < The359> you're killing the sand worms with your vegitation, Lucifer_Cat!
2008-05-07 22:55 < Ziggy_Sawdust> so you've got to look after them
2008-05-07 22:55 < Ziggy_Sawdust> >_<
2008-05-07 22:55 < quanticle> Ziggy_Sawdust: So, in other words, Wikipedia is like any other structure. It needs periodic maintenance, otherwise it rusts away. Welcome to reality. Entropy increases. Deal with it.
2008-05-07 22:55 < Ziggy_Sawdust> that was actually a fucking awesome analogy
2008-05-07 22:55 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: so, was this before or after desertification and the salt deposition fucked up Middle Eastern agriculture? :)
2008-05-07 22:56 < gwern> software needs maintenance even more
2008-05-07 22:56 < Ziggy_Sawdust> quanticle: yeah, but unlike regular buildings, anyone can alter/move/create them
2008-05-07 22:56 < gwern> articles just sit there, inert. EB1911 articles are still useful
2008-05-07 22:56 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: that was after Islam took over the desert. (Green = color of Islam)
2008-05-07 22:56 < quanticle> Ziggy_Sawdust: Right, but that makes things easier to fix, as well.
2008-05-07 22:56 < Messedrocker> nipple! nipple!
2008-05-07 22:56 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: structure is not exclusively buildings.
2008-05-07 22:56 < Ziggy_Sawdust> gwern: they're not useful when some dick comes along and spins it to his own POV, deletes 5 sections, and puts "LOL PENIS" at the front of it
2008-05-07 22:56 * Lucifer_Cat sucks some nipple
2008-05-07 22:57 < Ziggy_Sawdust> of course not the same person, it's not that simple
2008-05-07 22:57 < Ziggy_Sawdust> it's about 50 people over the course of a month
2008-05-07 22:57 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: i attacked baghdad from 3 directions before i could overcome it.
2008-05-07 22:57 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: ah
2008-05-07 22:57 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and it gets to the point where you've got to watch over your articles like eggs
2008-05-07 22:58 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: so? software repos often have buggy commits added
2008-05-07 22:58 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4|away: wanna look at the middle east map? it looks awesome
2008-05-07 22:58 < Ziggy_Sawdust> plus, 60% of the people are doing pointless drivel
2008-05-07 22:58 < Ziggy_Sawdust> like categorizing articles and whatnot
2008-05-07 22:58 < quanticle> Ziggy_Sawdust: Just like in the ghetto, over a period of months an otherwise upstanding residential house gets abandoned, graffiti'd, vandalized, and finally gets inhabited by drug dealers.
2008-05-07 22:58 < Ziggy_Sawdust> we don't really need more articles
2008-05-07 22:58 < Ziggy_Sawdust> god, that's the last thing we need
2008-05-07 22:58 < The359> In the ghettoooooo
2008-05-07 22:58 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: sure we do. we're missing literally millions of encyclopedic articles
2008-05-07 22:58 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: its only as pointless as the scheduling algo on your processor and the memory management scheme on your ram
2008-05-07 22:58 < quanticle> Ziggy_Sawdust: What, drug dealers?
2008-05-07 22:58 < Ziggy_Sawdust> I personally think that we should have 5 days every year where page creation is banned
2008-05-07 22:58 < quanticle> Ziggy_Sawdust: I agree.
2008-05-07 22:59 < Messedrocker> better behead you, on the head
2008-05-07 22:59 < Ziggy_Sawdust> "forest fire week"
2008-05-07 22:59 < Messedrocker> can't live on a butter head
2008-05-07 22:59 < Ziggy_Sawdust> of course in any openly alterable project
2008-05-07 22:59 < gwern> [[User:Piotrus/Wikipedia interwiki and specialized knowledge test]]: 'There are about 2 millions articles in need of translation from non-English Wikipedias, and more then 400 million of specialized topics in need of creation. Wikipedia is just in its infancy...'
2008-05-07 22:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: watching that video again?
2008-05-07 22:59 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, repeatedly
2008-05-07 22:59 < Messedrocker> i love it
2008-05-07 22:59 < Lucifer_Cat> XD
2008-05-07 22:59 < gwern> 'Conclusion: While generalizing from Polish Wiki to other wikis is not recommended and we should do similar tests for other wikis, it appears that between 60-70% of articles on Polish wiki have not yet been translated to en wiki. According to Wikipedia article, Wikipedia had more than 4,600,000 articles in many languages, including more than 1,200,000 in the English-language version. Therefore it is possible that just by translating articles from non-Engl
2008-05-07 22:59 < Ziggy_Sawdust> 40% of the people are good at it, 20% have no real effect, and 40% are fucking it up
2008-05-07 22:59 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: you have any idea what vid Messedrocker is watching?
2008-05-07 23:00 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: No idea.
2008-05-07 23:00 < Messedrocker> http://youtube.com/watch?v=bLpROhIg9eA&feature=related
2008-05-07 23:00 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: linkkit
2008-05-07 23:00 < gwern> 'Conclusion: assuming PSB represents the average coverage of specialized knowledge on (English) Wikipedia, Wikipedia has covers currently about 0,3% of such knowledge. Therefore Wikipedia will be approaching somewhat comprehensive coverage of specialized knowledge when we have about 400,000,000 articles. This is a very rough estimate, but it is my reply to some people who said there is not enough encyclopedic knowledge to merit 2,000,000 articles, as well
2008-05-07 23:00 < Lucifer_Cat> lol nice
2008-05-07 23:00 < Ziggy_Sawdust> of course you've got to have 20% of the 40% of useful people watching over the 40% who are shitting it up
2008-05-07 23:01 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: even AFTER i explained the real meaning of the song.
2008-05-07 23:01 < Ziggy_Sawdust> actually, 30% of the workers watching over the retards
2008-05-07 23:01 < Lucifer_Cat> i told him the song was insult to intelligence
2008-05-07 23:01 < Ziggy_Sawdust> so if 100 people work on something together, only 10% are actually accomplishing anything
2008-05-07 23:01 < quanticle> gwern: Does this survey cover overlaps as well as translations. For example, I suppose both Polish Wikipedia and English Wikipedia have [[Algebra]], but that doesn't mean that one was a translation of the other.
2008-05-07 23:01 * Lucifer_Cat got 66 armies for his winning round... how fitting XD
2008-05-07 23:02 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: you had no chance... it indeed WAS the devils fucking army
2008-05-07 23:02 < gwern> quanticle: read it
2008-05-07 23:02 < Ziggy_Sawdust> you know, 40% good, 20% neutral, 40% bad, the neutral and 20% of the good have to reverse the 40% bad
2008-05-07 23:02 < Ziggy_Sawdust> so only 20% of the people in the project are doing anything
2008-05-07 23:03 < Ziggy_Sawdust> so basically, you've got 40% good editors, 20% wikignomes, and 40% vandals/IPs/trolls/POV pushers/etc
2008-05-07 23:03 < The359> oh wow
2008-05-07 23:03 < The359> Israel is today's Featured Article?
2008-05-07 23:03 < Ziggy_Sawdust> now within that 20% of the users actually working
2008-05-07 23:03 < Ziggy_Sawdust> 40% of those users are reckless
2008-05-07 23:03 < Ziggy_Sawdust> so 20% of the remainder has to clean up after them
2008-05-07 23:03 < Ziggy_Sawdust> net effect: 40% accomplish something
2008-05-07 23:04 < Ziggy_Sawdust> End result:
2008-05-07 23:04 < Ziggy_Sawdust> You have 100 people working on a project, 8 are actually doing something
2008-05-07 23:04 < gwern> The359: yeah. trollalicious, eh?
2008-05-07 23:04 < Ziggy_Sawdust> >_>
2008-05-07 23:04 * Ziggy_Sawdust sighs, and resumes tagging new pages
2008-05-07 23:04 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: so contributions follow a power law. this is new?
2008-05-07 23:04 < Ziggy_Sawdust> pretty much
2008-05-07 23:04 < Ziggy_Sawdust> but, you know
2008-05-07 23:04 < quanticle> gwern: "The results may be slightly undercounted, as it is possible some pages have an unlinked equivalent on en-wiki. If I were to check, I expect that around 10 pages should have equivalents on en wiki." <-- On what basis can he make that claim?
2008-05-07 23:04 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: i sont see a problem with that?
2008-05-07 23:05 < gwern> quanticle: ask him
2008-05-07 23:05 < quanticle> The359: Look at the comment that Ziggy put at the top of the wikitext
2008-05-07 23:05 < Ziggy_Sawdust> lucifer_cat: yeah, but 92% of all effort is wasted
2008-05-07 23:05 < gwern> quanticle: or better yet, conduct the experiment yourself; piotrus hasn't re-run the test in a while
2008-05-07 23:05 < Ziggy_Sawdust> say we have... let's see
2008-05-07 23:05 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: you have a solution?
2008-05-07 23:05 < Ziggy_Sawdust> 10,000 contributors (vandals, editors, etc)
2008-05-07 23:05 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: again, so? look at open-source software, or hell the economy in general. wasted effort is par for the course
2008-05-07 23:05 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: first of all, 40% bad is not "effort"
2008-05-07 23:05 < Ziggy_Sawdust> now 800 of them will be doing something
2008-05-07 23:06 < Ziggy_Sawdust> I'm not complaining
2008-05-07 23:06 < Lucifer_Cat> only effort is people who dont do bad.
2008-05-07 23:06 < Ziggy_Sawdust> What I'm saying is that pretty much 90% of everything is crap.
2008-05-07 23:06 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Sturgeon's Revelation essentially
2008-05-07 23:06 < The359> where, quanticle?
2008-05-07 23:06 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: i do get your point, under the best conditions, i dont think the net % will be over 15
2008-05-07 23:06 < Ziggy_Sawdust> so if Wikipedia is going to succeed, the 40% of the good editors and the 20% of the gnomes need to work their asses off
2008-05-07 23:07 < Ziggy_Sawdust> but then again, the 40% doing bad isn't just vandals
2008-05-07 23:07 < Lucifer_Cat> given the nature of WP
2008-05-07 23:07 < Ziggy_Sawdust> it's also the people who add content and think they're helping, but are really making more work
2008-05-07 23:07 < Ziggy_Sawdust> like creating walls of text, unsourced sections, bad formatting/spelling, etc.
2008-05-07 23:07 < Lucifer_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust: even IRL, 75% of humans are better off used as meat products
2008-05-07 23:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> My proposal, of course, would be thus:
2008-05-07 23:08 < Lucifer_Cat> actuallly....
2008-05-07 23:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Disable page creation (in main namespace) for 5 days
2008-05-07 23:08 < gwern> mmm.... your whole family is made of meat!
2008-05-07 23:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and give everyone a chance to catch up without adding more crap to the pile
2008-05-07 23:08 < Lucifer_Cat> 75% are of no use... only 25% of THOSE 75 could be used as meat
2008-05-07 23:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> or even 10 days
2008-05-07 23:08 < gwern> iirc, page creation has been disabled before. it did nothing
2008-05-07 23:08 < Ziggy_Sawdust> gwern: on what timescale?
2008-05-07 23:08 < gwern> and disabling anon page creation has been a noteable failure
2008-05-07 23:09 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: a few days, iirc
2008-05-07 23:09 < quanticle> The359: Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israel&diff=210943813&oldid=210943392
2008-05-07 23:09 < Ziggy_Sawdust> See, out of all the page creations, about 80% of those create more work
2008-05-07 23:09 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Not only do you have the "lolol bob sucks" and "buy our product" crap, you also have badly-written/unsourced/non-notable
2008-05-07 23:09 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: Ziggy_Sawdust tee hee hee
2008-05-07 23:10 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and what does get deleted, has to go through an ass-trocious AfD or PROD, waste admin/user time
2008-05-07 23:10 < Lucifer_Cat> WTF israel article is blanked!
2008-05-07 23:10 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and tbqh I don't think we need any more pages
2008-05-07 23:10 < bumm13> gee, shock horror ;p
2008-05-07 23:10 < Lucifer_Cat> and i think got reverted pretty darn soon
2008-05-07 23:10 < Ziggy_Sawdust> We already have articles on pretty much everything
2008-05-07 23:10 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: you didn't even look at my link, did you
2008-05-07 23:11 < gwern> no, we don't. wikia should've demonstrated quite conclusively we are actually very discriminating
2008-05-07 23:11 < Ziggy_Sawdust> gwern: which was? I didn't see it
2008-05-07 23:11 < Ziggy_Sawdust> what I'm saying is...
2008-05-07 23:11 < gwern> [[User:Piotrus/Wikipedia interwiki and specialized knowledge test]]
2008-05-07 23:11 < Lucifer_Cat> Raul654 (Talk | contribs) m (Changed protection level for "Israel": This is an article that should never be un-semiprotected (and I say that as the one who wrote NOPRO)
2008-05-07 23:11 < Ziggy_Sawdust> if right now, we locked the database and no more edits or anything
2008-05-07 23:11 < Ziggy_Sawdust> we'd still have a damn good encyclopedia
2008-05-07 23:11 < Ziggy_Sawdust> if we just stopped making new articles
2008-05-07 23:12 < Ziggy_Sawdust> we'd still have a damn good encyclopedia
2008-05-07 23:12 < Ziggy_Sawdust> most of the new articles created aren't anything important
2008-05-07 23:12 < gwern> damn good isn't good enough. Next suggestion?
2008-05-07 23:12 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-05-07 23:12 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: FAST WORK
2008-05-07 23:12 < Ziggy_Sawdust> they're 1970's field hockey players and elementary school principals
2008-05-07 23:12 < CatServ`> Ceiling_Cat: Kitty Services responding
2008-05-07 23:12 < Lucifer_Cat> you get an IM or something?
2008-05-07 23:12 < Ziggy_Sawdust> What I'm saying is that WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE ARTICLES.
2008-05-07 23:12 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: check out middle east map
2008-05-07 23:12 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: ok
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Not that we won't need them in a month, or a year
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - (replying to what you said earlier) MAOR BUTTSECKS will give you [[Lucifer_Cat - [[Feline immunodeficiency virus]]
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ziggy_Sawdust> but ffs, we have enough
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> KAT AIDS
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ziggy_Sawdust> if we just focused on the core 1,000
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and got them all to GA/A-class/FA
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ziggy_Sawdust> then we could branch out from there
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and we could rule the Internet
2008-05-07 23:13 * CatServ` is going to take a wild guess and say that the ``* Lodaing Hardware Drivers [fail]'' at the Linux boot screen is bad
2008-05-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust - getting core articles up to FA status is *hard*
2008-05-07 23:14 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: grow up
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> I just got my own area of specialty up to FA status this week
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Ceiling_Cat: I know.
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> it wasn't easy
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ziggy_Sawdust> But it's not easy to write an encyclopedia
2008-05-07 23:14 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: ?
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ziggy_Sawdust> I agree that it's easier to run through tagging pages and doing gnome work
2008-05-07 23:14 < gwern> FA status is deliberately hard; it's like being wealthy, the more articles improve, the more you have to do
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Actually, one problem is that the area I work in (parallel computing) has lots of people on Wikipedia who think they are experts but few who actually are
2008-05-07 23:14 < gwern> saying 'let's get a bunch of articles to FA!' is so clueless I don't even know where to start
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ziggy_Sawdust> but even getting it to B-class is better than stub
2008-05-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> so I ended up with a lot of bizzare objections
2008-05-07 23:15 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: how did you revert that back so fast
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ziggy_Sawdust> gwern: How many featured articles are there?
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Like one guy who adamantly didn't believe me when I explained how bit parallelism work
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ziggy_Sawdust> And how many of these articles are core?
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ceiling_Cat> works*
2008-05-07 23:15 < gwern> Ziggy_Sawdust: ask Ceiling_Cat...
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ziggy_Sawdust> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Core_topics_-_1%2C000
2008-05-07 23:15 < White_Cat_Zzz> Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-07 23:15 < White_Cat_Zzz> I need your technical expertise
2008-05-07 23:15 < White_Cat_Zzz> maybe you can help sort this mess
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Ziggy_Sawdust - a little over 2000
2008-05-07 23:15 < White_Cat_Zzz> Ceiling_Cat what may cause me to not be able to connect to any site
2008-05-07 23:15 < White_Cat_Zzz> yet be on the net
2008-05-07 23:15 < White_Cat_Zzz> as I am obviously here
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ziggy_Sawdust> I just spent the last couple days improving [[Tungsten]]
2008-05-07 23:15 < quanticle> White_Cat_zzz: Broken DNS?
2008-05-07 23:15 < Ziggy_Sawdust> It was already B-class
2008-05-07 23:16 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: [[Bit-level parallelism]]?
2008-05-07 23:16 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Right now it's probably A-class or GA
2008-05-07 23:16 < White_Cat_Zzz> quanticle IP web links do not work either
2008-05-07 23:16 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat_Zzz - none at all?
2008-05-07 23:16 < White_Cat_Zzz> so that cant be it
2008-05-07 23:16 < quanticle> Withe_Cat_Zzz: Can you get anything over port 80?
2008-05-07 23:16 < quanticle> Er, White_Cat_Zzz ^
2008-05-07 23:16 < White_Cat_Zzz> quanticle how do you expect me to test?
2008-05-07 23:16 < Ziggy_Sawdust> But look at Osmium and Promine?
2008-05-07 23:16 < Ziggy_Sawdust> *Bromine
2008-05-07 23:16 < Ziggy_Sawdust> Those are Start-class
2008-05-07 23:16 < Ziggy_Sawdust> it's not because it's hard to get it to FA
2008-05-07 23:17 < Ceiling_Cat> does anyone have a webserver running on a non-80 port?
2008-05-07 23:17 < quanticle> White_Cat_Zzz: Indirectly. Can you ping?
2008-05-07 23:17 < Ceiling_Cat> he can connect to that
2008-05-07 23:17 < Ziggy_Sawdust> it's just because nobody sat down in a library with a few chemistry books and spent 2 hours rewriting them
2008-05-07 23:17 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Also, check your HOSTS file. Make sure that you don't have an errant rule routing everything to localhost
2008-05-07 23:17 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat_Zzz - try a traceroute to a webserver
2008-05-07 23:17 < White_Cat_Zzz> quanticle checking
2008-05-07 23:17 < Ceiling_Cat> see what happens
2008-05-07 23:17 < Ceiling_Cat> go to start->run
2008-05-07 23:17 < Ceiling_Cat> type "cmd"
2008-05-07 23:18 < Ceiling_Cat> then tracert www.wikipedia.org
2008-05-07 23:18 < White_Cat_Zzz> ping traceroute and other cmd commands do not work on my desktop
2008-05-07 23:18 < quanticle> Er, my last comment should have been to White_Cat_Zzz
2008-05-07 23:18 < quanticle> White_Cat_Zzz: What OS?
2008-05-07 23:18 < Ceiling_Cat> do not work?
2008-05-07 23:18 < White_Cat_Zzz> they do work on my laptop which is booting
2008-05-07 23:18 < White_Cat_Zzz> Ceiling_Cat something got messed up
2008-05-07 23:18 < quanticle> White_Cat_Zzz: Could it be your firewall?
2008-05-07 23:18 < Ceiling_Cat> [[]Feline AIDS]]?
2008-05-07 23:18 < bumm13> wah waaaaaah
2008-05-07 23:18 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-05-07 23:19 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Feline AIDS]]?
2008-05-07 23:19 < White_Cat_Zzz> quanticle I do not have a firewall
2008-05-07 23:19 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat_Zzz - you don't use protection??
2008-05-07 23:19 < quanticle> White_Cat_Zzz: Could it be an issue with the Windows firewall?
2008-05-07 23:19 < White_Cat_Zzz> its off
2008-05-07 23:19 * quanticle doesn't have a firewall, but, then again, quanticle runs Linux
2008-05-07 23:20 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle has delusions of grandeur
2008-05-07 23:20 < quanticle> Hmmm. So tracert doesn't work?
2008-05-07 23:20 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-07 23:20 < bumm13> Linux is impervious!
2008-05-07 23:20 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Indeed I do. Well, that and I have a cron job to patch my servers and kernels.
2008-05-07 23:20 < Lucifer_Cat> fuggler
2008-05-07 23:20 < bumm13> quanticle: you failed to mention that ;p
2008-05-07 23:21 < quanticle> bumm13: Heh. Well, you can still 0-day me.
2008-05-07 23:21 < quanticle> So I'm not completely invincible.
2008-05-07 23:21 < Lucifer_Cat> Zon-Day
2008-05-07 23:21 < Lucifer_Cat> whats 0-day
2008-05-07 23:21 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Attack with an unpublished vulnerability.
2008-05-07 23:21 < bumm13> righto
2008-05-07 23:21 < Lucifer_Cat> ah
2008-05-07 23:22 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I.e. a vulnerability for which no patch exists.
2008-05-07 23:22 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: gimme your IP... fast
2008-05-07 23:22 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: 127.0.0.1
2008-05-07 23:22 < gwern> quanticle: I would be impressed if you were running openbsd, but linux? pfft, anyone can run linux
2008-05-07 23:22 < Lucifer_Cat> why is it called 0-day
2008-05-07 23:22 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: grow up
2008-05-07 23:22 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: You already know my website, and besides, I'm on IRC. Can't you figure it out.
2008-05-07 23:22 < quanticle> gwern: Heh.
2008-05-07 23:22 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Because, #_day signifies the number of days since publication
2008-05-07 23:22 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: CatServ` is lying. it's actually 127.1.1.101
2008-05-07 23:23 < Lucifer_Cat> ok
2008-05-07 23:23 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: grow up
2008-05-07 23:23 * quanticle wonders why he's not using the ? to end questions.
2008-05-07 23:23 < gwern> never! growing up entails senescence and eventual death
2008-05-07 23:24 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: jeez, stop being childish
2008-05-07 23:24 < quanticle> The last two questions I asked, I ended with periods. Perhaps its because they were rhetorical questions.
2008-05-07 23:24 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: whats a rhetorical question.
2008-05-07 23:24 < White_Cat> okay
2008-05-07 23:24 < White_Cat> I can access the web on my laptop
2008-05-07 23:24 < White_Cat> I cant on my dekstop
2008-05-07 23:24 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Heh. Is this a new convention? Periods at the end of rhetorical questions?
2008-05-07 23:25 < quanticle> White_Cat: Your desktop and laptop are connected via the same router, correct?
2008-05-07 23:25 < White_Cat> yes
2008-05-07 23:25 < White_Cat> one is wireless other is wired
2008-05-07 23:25 < quanticle> White_Cat: Have you reset the router?
2008-05-07 23:25 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: there should hav been periodson those 2 as well dont you think.
2008-05-07 23:25 < White_Cat> but its the same freaking device
2008-05-07 23:25 < White_Cat> quanticle of course
2008-05-07 23:25 < White_Cat> twice
2008-05-07 23:25 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Those questions weren't rhetorical.
2008-05-07 23:25 < Lucifer_Cat> should have been.
2008-05-07 23:26 < quanticle> White_Cat: Ok. Hmmm. Do basic utilities like ping and tracert work on the laptop?
2008-05-07 23:28 < quanticle> White_Cat: Also, what is the precise manner in which ping and tracert fail on the desktop? Does it look like they're attempting to go out over the network, or does it look like they fail even before they start sending packets?
2008-05-07 23:30 < quanticle> White_Cat: Oh, and one more thing. What OS are you running? XP?
2008-05-07 23:30 < quanticle> Wait, nvm
2008-05-07 23:32 < Ceiling_Cat> "I offer these girls my warm shoulder to cry on... or any of my other warm body parts" - Stephen Colbert
2008-05-07 23:32 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-05-07 23:33 * Ceiling_Cat collects quanticle's (delicious) tears
2008-05-07 23:33 < Lucifer_Cat> creepy cat
2008-05-07 23:33 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: I'm crying? Or did you just poke out my eyes?
2008-05-07 23:37 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: What was Colbert talking about there?
2008-05-07 23:37 < Ceiling_Cat> omg
2008-05-07 23:37 < Ceiling_Cat> I forgot I took this
2008-05-07 23:37 * Ceiling_Cat has a pic for you guys
2008-05-07 23:37 < ancjr_> elvis costello!
2008-05-07 23:38 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mpellegr/P1010542.JPG
2008-05-07 23:39 < Ceiling_Cat> :)
2008-05-07 23:39 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Awesome...
2008-05-07 23:39 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Its way cooler than the time I saw someone with the license plate reading "VOIP"
2008-05-07 23:40 < Ceiling_Cat> A few years ago I saw DE license plate NCC1701
2008-05-07 23:40 < Ceiling_Cat> I didn't have my camera :(
2008-05-07 23:40 < Ceiling_Cat> It was a white sedan
2008-05-07 23:43 * quanticle off for bed
2008-05-07 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle|away: WAIT
2008-05-07 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle|away: hang on a moment maybe?
2008-05-07 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> iirc, Ceiling_Cat is some sort of shitty humanities major right? last i heard he was doing a thesis on "observation based extrapolation of intrinsic and peer affected behavior of a population sample with low social acceptance percentile especially within the context of a quasi-social knowledge based interaction specifically observed from a strategically removed view point"
2008-05-07 23:45 < Ziggy_Sawdust> okay
2008-05-07 23:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> can someone !help me here with script?
2008-05-07 23:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ziggy_Sawdust/monobook.js
2008-05-07 23:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> I have this monobook.js
2008-05-07 23:46 < Lucifer_Cat> damn you
2008-05-07 23:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> and I get this button above the page whilst editing, that says "format"
2008-05-07 23:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> it doesn't appear to do anything
2008-05-07 23:46 < Ziggy_Sawdust> how do I get it to work?
2008-05-07 23:46 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: like it?
2008-05-07 23:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - sorry, not a humanities major, not my thesis topic
2008-05-07 23:48 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-05-07 23:49 < Ceiling_Cat> although I did have a full-semester class on AIDS
2008-05-07 23:49 < Lucifer_Cat> it says "you watch nerds on irc" :P
2008-05-07 23:49 < Lucifer_Cat> i know you do cool stuff with supercomps
2008-05-07 23:50 < Lucifer_Cat> when are you walking btw?
2008-05-07 23:50 < Ceiling_Cat> March 31
2008-05-07 23:50 * Lucifer_Cat NP Romeo and Juliet - Dire Straits
2008-05-07 23:50 < Ceiling_Cat> and I start my new job in Loisiana the next week
2008-05-07 23:51 < Lucifer_Cat> march??
2008-05-07 23:51 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-05-07 23:51 < Ceiling_Cat> May 31
2008-05-07 23:51 < Lucifer_Cat> lousyanna. how are you going to do WP from lousiana
2008-05-07 23:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Under water?
2008-05-07 23:51 < Lucifer_Cat> like they had internet before that even :P
2008-05-07 23:52 * Lucifer_Cat should not be talking... hes in ala-fucking-bama
2008-05-07 23:52 < Lucifer_Cat> what city?
2008-05-07 23:52 < Ziggy_Sawdust> hahaha, it works
2008-05-07 23:55 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, time to go
2008-05-07 23:55 * Ceiling_Cat waves (from above)
2008-05-07 23:56 < Mike_H> Louisiana does have electricity, you know.
2008-05-07 23:57 < Lubaf> Has anybody else here seen Drew Carrey's Price is Right?
2008-05-07 23:57 < ancjr_> do they have sunlight?
2008-05-07 23:57 < Lubaf> Mike_H: You?
2008-05-07 23:57 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat: You?
2008-05-07 23:57 < ancjr_> Lubaf: as i was flipping the channels, yes
2008-05-07 23:58 < Lucifer_Cat> Lubaf: no cable.
2008-05-07 23:58 < Lucifer_Cat> bbye ppl
2008-05-07 23:58 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat: It's broadcast.
2008-05-07 23:58 < Lubaf> CBS.
2008-05-08 00:00 < The359> I saw that Drew Carey was on Ellen today
2008-05-08 00:00 < The359> with the Yodeling game
2008-05-08 00:01 < gwern> nothing of him doth remain
2008-05-08 00:01 < gwern> but suffers a sea change
2008-05-08 00:01 < gwern> into something rich and strange
2008-05-08 00:03 < amidaniel> a "sea change"?
2008-05-08 00:04 < Lubaf> gwern: Is that a positive or negative review?
2008-05-08 00:05 * Lubaf is wondering how Bob Barker and Drew Carrey compare, without revealing his own opinion.
2008-05-08 00:05 * gwern wonders how shakespeare dealt with his audience: 'but was hamlet praising or mocking his father? Will, it sounds nice, but what does it all *mean*?'
2008-05-08 00:06 < amidaniel> gwern: Quite frankly, I don't think Shakespeare's audience was all that deep
2008-05-08 00:06 < gwern> pearls before swine
2008-05-08 00:06 < amidaniel> I mean, he was sort of the Robin Williams or Chris Rock of his day :)
2008-05-08 00:07 * gwern doesn't think either will pass the ages so well
2008-05-08 00:08 < Lucifer_Cat> okay i have a Q...
2008-05-08 00:08 < Lucifer_Cat> anyone around?
2008-05-08 00:08 < Lucifer_Cat> <thats not the real Q>
2008-05-08 00:08 < amidaniel> Just because we remember him doesn't mean he was necessarily any good.
2008-05-08 00:08 < CatServ`> :!
2008-05-08 00:08 < Lucifer_Cat> ok, so now if my CC has a 12.99% APR...
2008-05-08 00:09 < Lucifer_Cat> does that mean if i spend $100 in one period on the CC, i have to pay $112.99?
2008-05-08 00:09 < amidaniel> CC = C compiler?
2008-05-08 00:09 < Lucifer_Cat> credit card
2008-05-08 00:09 < gwern> amidaniel: ...are you daring to suggest shakespeare may not have been any good?
2008-05-08 00:09 < StayTuned> ummmm no
2008-05-08 00:10 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: Marlowe was miles ahead
2008-05-08 00:10 < StayTuned> is it compounded on a daily weekly or monthly basis?
2008-05-08 00:10 < amidaniel> gwern: I didn't say that. Quite the contrary I think he was brilliant. Brilliant in the way that Bill Gates was brilliant. A brilliant hack in other words.
2008-05-08 00:10 < Lucifer_Cat> StayTuned: what was that in respect ot?
2008-05-08 00:10 < Lucifer_Cat> StayTuned: daily
2008-05-08 00:10 < SWATJester> lucifer_cat: APR is annual
2008-05-08 00:10 < Lucifer_Cat> :S
2008-05-08 00:11 < StayTuned> but the balance increases daily
2008-05-08 00:11 < SWATJester> depends on the card, but generally yeah
2008-05-08 00:11 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: marlowe was miles ahead? are you out of your mind? are you daring to suggest Tamburlaine or his Faust are anywhere near as landmark characters as Hamlet, as Iago, as Falstaff, as Othello, or Macbeth or...
2008-05-08 00:11 < StayTuned> so you are actually paying more than 12.99%
2008-05-08 00:12 < gwern> amidaniel: a brillaint *hack*? i can't even begin to understand your view on shakespeare
2008-05-08 00:12 < Lucifer_Cat> StayTuned: it says taken average over daily balance
2008-05-08 00:12 < SWATJester> but basically your monthly balance interest is going to be around 1.08%
2008-05-08 00:13 < Lucifer_Cat> ok...
2008-05-08 00:13 < Lucifer_Cat> so if i pay every time by due date,
2008-05-08 00:13 < SWATJester> so over 1 period, $100 would capitalize to about $102
2008-05-08 00:13 < StayTuned> if I had a credit card today I would go straight to the casino - cash in my chips - put it all on red or black on the wheel - and let them fall where they may
2008-05-08 00:13 < amidaniel> gwern: He ripped off other people's ideas and rewrote them in the common language. What made Shakespeare successful was his ability to market his plays -- he found an audience, in other words -- not his ability to write.
2008-05-08 00:13 < bumm13> StayTuned: uh, why?
2008-05-08 00:13 < Lucifer_Cat> for every 100 bucks, i would have to pay 01.8 right?
2008-05-08 00:14 < StayTuned> because if you don't win - you are still screwed the same amount
2008-05-08 00:14 < SWATJester> correct. So if you put $100 on your card every month, and paid it all off the next month, you'd be paying around $2 interest per month
2008-05-08 00:14 < Lucifer_Cat> StayTuned: thats prolly a reason you dont have one :P
2008-05-08 00:14 < Mike_H> rar
2008-05-08 00:14 < amidaniel> And his plays were nothing more than vulgar jabs at the establishment mixed in with some sexual inuendos.
2008-05-08 00:14 * Mike_H smoked his last cigarette :<
2008-05-08 00:14 < bumm13> "same amount"?
2008-05-08 00:14 < amidaniel> i.e., Chris Rock
2008-05-08 00:14 < amidaniel> Who frankly is far more original.
2008-05-08 00:14 < StayTuned> I don't care to have credit anymore yep - you are right.
2008-05-08 00:15 < bumm13> credit sucks anyway, for everyday purposes
2008-05-08 00:15 < SWATJester> sorry...that's wrong math. It's actually around $101 capitalizing, and you'd pay a little over $1 in interest per month, for a yearly total around $13
2008-05-08 00:15 < Lucifer_Cat> cool .. so i know how much i should spend on my card...
2008-05-08 00:15 < Lucifer_Cat> i had 0% for 6 months so i didnt care
2008-05-08 00:16 < Mike_H> Lucifer_Cat: Oh, you want to spend money? you can buy me cigarettes.
2008-05-08 00:16 < Lucifer_Cat> and i always pay off whole of it
2008-05-08 00:16 < Mike_H> :D
2008-05-08 00:16 < SWATJester> 12.99% is a high rate, but it's not too bad, most cards end up going to 18.99% after your introductory period
2008-05-08 00:16 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: if only i had money
2008-05-08 00:16 < StayTuned> you're going to pay more than 13%
2008-05-08 00:16 < Lucifer_Cat> StayTuned: how?
2008-05-08 00:16 < StayTuned> read the fine print
2008-05-08 00:17 < gwern> amidaniel: every author builds on what went before; but if you can seriously claim that Hamlet 'ripped off' the tale of Hamnet in the chronicles, then you *completely* missed the profundity and transformation and subtlety of the story
2008-05-08 00:17 < SWATJester> StayTuned, at around $100 per month, he won't pay significantly more than 13%
2008-05-08 00:17 < Lucifer_Cat> StayTuned: if i were THAT willing to do so, i would have not asked here :P
2008-05-08 00:17 < StayTuned> pay late / or miss the mailbox by 1 day - forget to sign into the internet - whatever
2008-05-08 00:17 < StayTuned> that rate will change
2008-05-08 00:17 < SWATJester> oh
2008-05-08 00:17 < SWATJester> yeah
2008-05-08 00:17 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: that figure was to facilitate math
2008-05-08 00:17 < SWATJester> well, that's all conditional
2008-05-08 00:17 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: oh yeah, the default rate is 20ish
2008-05-08 00:18 < SWATJester> Just sign up for automatic debit from your bank account, fixodent and forget it
2008-05-08 00:18 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: thats what i did. semiautomatic though.
2008-05-08 00:18 < SWATJester> TBH though, I was not that great with my credit card
2008-05-08 00:19 < Lucifer_Cat> i like authorizing the transaction myself, that way i see what im giving away. helps in spending control
2008-05-08 00:19 < SWATJester> I didn't get outrageously into debt, but I'm glad that I just use a check card now
2008-05-08 00:19 < The359> I've only had a check card in my life so far
2008-05-08 00:19 < SWATJester> Lucifer_Cat: subscribe to get rich slowly
2008-05-08 00:19 < The359> although I have used it as a credit card several times
2008-05-08 00:19 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: i prefer the check card too
2008-05-08 00:19 < SWATJester> it's a good blog on personal finance and how to control spending
2008-05-08 00:19 < CatServ`> OMG
2008-05-08 00:19 < gwern> '"The MPAA was awarded a staggering judgment in its case against the BitTorrent indexing site TorrentSpy. According to Slyck.com, a judge in California rendered a $110 million victory for the MPAA, and a permanent injunction against TorrentSpy."' <-- sayonara torrentspy
2008-05-08 00:20 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: my lunch time reading :)
2008-05-08 00:20 < CatServ`> My wiki somehow already has 317 edits
2008-05-08 00:20 < CatServ`> http://fastlizard4.10gbfreehost.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Recentchangestext&oldid=317&diff=prev
2008-05-08 00:20 < gwern> I hope they were incorporated or somthing
2008-05-08 00:20 < The359> $110 mil?
2008-05-08 00:20 < amidaniel> gwern: Hamlet was nothing more than a dramatisation of century-old myths, he added nothing of his own to the story except for the language. Romeo and Juliet, his most famous play, was nothing more than retelling of a poem published in the UK some years earlier.
2008-05-08 00:20 < SWATJester> they had a good post the other day, basically said for every $10 something costs, wait 1 day to buy it
2008-05-08 00:20 < SWATJester> or $50 or something
2008-05-08 00:20 < SWATJester> I don't remember
2008-05-08 00:20 < amidaniel> Sure every author is *influenced* by works of the past, but simply retelling the same story is in no way original.
2008-05-08 00:20 < SWATJester> but you can put whatever number you want
2008-05-08 00:21 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: i kinda extensively used my CC the past 3 months, with all the expenses i had, and essentially not having much in the bank till the payday
2008-05-08 00:21 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: it was 100
2008-05-08 00:21 < SWATJester> ah
2008-05-08 00:21 < SWATJester> I'd probably drop it down to $50 for myself
2008-05-08 00:21 < gwern> amidaniel: he added nothing of his own except the language <-- so he added everything
2008-05-08 00:21 < SWATJester> I have to tighten my budget a lot next year
2008-05-08 00:21 < StayTuned> amidaniel - we don't have Antony & Cleopatra today to write about though
2008-05-08 00:21 < Lucifer_Cat> though the max i spent was 1600 in a period.
2008-05-08 00:22 < Lucifer_Cat> and wont need to spend that much after may
2008-05-08 00:22 < amidaniel> gwern: In the same way that Luther added everything to the Bible, sure.
2008-05-08 00:23 < gwern> if the bible had to stand on its own non-supernatural merits, it would've sunk like a stone
2008-05-08 00:23 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: my strategy is to wait a week before any non essential purchase.
2008-05-08 00:24 < amidaniel> Certainly. It doesn't mean Luther *wrote* the Bible though; he simply made it popular (well, more popular that is). This is the same thing that Shakespeare did, but in a completely unrevolutionary way.
2008-05-08 00:24 < Lucifer_Cat> so far, 2 months without a microwave and not even missing it after the first 2 weeks :P
2008-05-08 00:24 < SWATJester> Lucifer_Cat heh, I barely ever use my microwaves
2008-05-08 00:24 < SWATJester> (singular)
2008-05-08 00:24 < SWATJester> maybe once a week or so
2008-05-08 00:24 < amidaniel> The only thing that makes Shakespeare worth reading is that there are millions of crazy freshman English teachers out there obsessed over the man, and it's interesting to try to figure out why.
2008-05-08 00:25 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways, the only time i could use it is in the evening... and i find its better to have MW free dinners
2008-05-08 00:25 < Lucifer_Cat> i do use it almost everyday at work though .
2008-05-08 00:25 < amidaniel> With the sheer volume of absolutely brilliant, original literature out there, it seems strange to me that everyone is so obsessed with a jester of 600 years ago.
2008-05-08 00:25 < SWATJester> gah
2008-05-08 00:25 < SWATJester> ]ping
2008-05-08 00:26 < amidaniel> Well, 400 years*
2008-05-08 00:26 < Lucifer_Cat> basically, spending 60 for a MW seemed like a not so good idea when i was running under 1000 bucks on my bank
2008-05-08 00:26 < Lucifer_Cat> with all those payments to make.
2008-05-08 00:26 < gwern> amidaniel: people don't like Hamlet and praise it as one of the greatest works in the western canon because they're fascinated by the story of how some guy killed his brother and usurped him. they're crazy over it because of the unsurpassed language, the carefully thought out twists (tell me, did Shakespeare get the advanced fencing from the chroniclers?), with the stunning scenes like Yorick or the to-be speech, with the revealing turns of phrase which r
2008-05-08 00:26 < Lucifer_Cat> God the first 15 days were a struggle
2008-05-08 00:26 < gwern> how the hell could any of that possibly have been copied from some other writer?
2008-05-08 00:27 < SWATJester> Lucifer_Cat: put away 3 dollars a day for a microwave, and you got it in 3 weeks
2008-05-08 00:28 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: putting aside 3 bucks was not an option at that point :P i had to pinch any penny i could ... and still had to think of quality and long term
2008-05-08 00:28 < gwern> the early existential pondering (are you going to tell me he stole it all from Chaucer's pilgrims and ecclesiastes?), or the abuse of ophelia, or the madness (oh, let me guess, a pale imitation of Don Quixote)
2008-05-08 00:28 < gwern> so many things are in Hamlet worthy of respect
2008-05-08 00:28 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: now i can easily afford it, but im just waiting to move into the new apt before i get it.
2008-05-08 00:29 < amidaniel> He didn't have to steal it. The fact that it had been done is enough to demonstrate that what he did was unrevolutionary.
2008-05-08 00:30 < SWATJester> ah.
2008-05-08 00:30 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: and as a small personal triumph, depite apartment deposits and a few unexpected expenses, i still managed to increase my bank balance by 1000 - with unexpected help from the taxrefund.
2008-05-08 00:30 < SWATJester> GG GWB
2008-05-08 00:30 < Lucifer_Cat> GWB?
2008-05-08 00:30 < gwern> >.< alright, I'm done here. if you think revolutions must be ab initio, then our views are incommensurable and arguing is pointless. I bid you gavagai and good night
2008-05-08 00:31 < Lucifer_Cat> both of you need to chill.
2008-05-08 00:31 < amidaniel> Very well, dear sir :)
2008-05-08 00:31 < Lucifer_Cat> whats GWB btw?
2008-05-08 00:31 < SWATJester> george w bush
2008-05-08 00:31 < amidaniel> The only thing that makes literature worth while is that we disagree upon its merits :)
2008-05-08 00:31 * CatServ` is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-08 00:32 * Lucifer_Cat cuddles in with CatServ`
2008-05-08 00:32 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: where did he come from?
2008-05-08 00:32 * Lucifer_Cat looks around... where?
2008-05-08 00:33 < SWATJester> tax refund
2008-05-08 00:33 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: refund.. not rebate.
2008-05-08 00:34 < SWATJester> that economic stimulus package
2008-05-08 00:34 < SWATJester> ahhh
2008-05-08 00:34 < Lucifer_Cat> i'll get the rebate this week :)
2008-05-08 00:34 < amidaniel> ... actually just an advance on your refund for next year, btw ;)
2008-05-08 00:34 < Lucifer_Cat> which will go straight to my "debt fund" or maybe directly a check written out.
2008-05-08 00:35 < Lucifer_Cat> amidaniel: true
2008-05-08 00:38 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: if you want /slight/ variety to your play list, may I suggest Romeo and Juliet - Dire Straits
2008-05-08 00:40 < The359> Mike_H
2008-05-08 00:40 < Lucifer_Cat> The359: whats the 359 for?
2008-05-08 00:40 < The359> [[Wolf 359]]
2008-05-08 00:41 < The359> more specifically, the [[Battle of Wolf 359]]
2008-05-08 00:41 < Lucifer_Cat> is WP down or what
2008-05-08 00:41 < The359> working for me
2008-05-08 00:41 < amidaniel> Down? I don't believe so
2008-05-08 00:41 < Marlith> Same
2008-05-08 00:42 < amidaniel> Lucifer_Cat: You have a more specific error msg?
2008-05-08 00:42 < Lucifer_Cat> heh, i cant access half sites in trying... rest load fast
2008-05-08 00:42 < Lucifer_Cat> amidaniel: just "loading..."
2008-05-08 00:42 < amidaniel> Does it time out or do you get an error back from the squid?
2008-05-08 00:42 < amidaniel> Ah
2008-05-08 00:43 < Lucifer_Cat> i get "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wolf_359" without any page
2008-05-08 00:43 < Lucifer_Cat> as in i can see it in the title and url bar.. but no page
2008-05-08 00:43 < Marlith> Try restarting or check your interenet connection
2008-05-08 00:43 < amidaniel> Sounds like a client problem
2008-05-08 00:44 < amidaniel> Close out your browser, restart your router, etc.
2008-05-08 00:44 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=28572
2008-05-08 00:44 < Marlith> What is the link?
2008-05-08 00:46 < Lucifer_Cat> oh sorry
2008-05-08 00:46 < Lucifer_Cat> its a news item
2008-05-08 00:46 < Lucifer_Cat> cops arrest teens for underage drinking...
2008-05-08 00:47 < Lucifer_Cat> turns out it was root beer :D
2008-05-08 00:47 < Lucifer_Cat> http://qdb.us/163605 <--- - trying too hard
2008-05-08 00:49 < Cyrius> I didn't think it was going to be worth it until the visual of the bridesmaids
2008-05-08 00:50 < Lucifer_Cat> http://qdb.us/32001 <---- did this really happen here?
2008-05-08 00:52 < Lucifer_Cat> <jkl> "This pornography-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."
2008-05-08 00:52 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: it could have in years past
2008-05-08 00:52 < Lucifer_Cat> http://qdb.us/56484 <------ lol zocky !!
2008-05-08 00:52 < Cyrius> hee
2008-05-08 00:54 < Lucifer_Cat> now that one had both characters i recognized
2008-05-08 00:58 < Lucifer_Cat> http://bash.org/?417254 <-- Mark_Ryan being naughty
2008-05-08 00:58 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan is always naughty
2008-05-08 00:59 < Mike_H> * Parts: squash- (~squash-@051.b.005.mel.iprimus.net.au) ("Leaving")
2008-05-08 00:59 < Mike_H> * Joins: squash- (~squash-@051.b.005.mel.iprimus.net.au)
2008-05-08 00:59 < Mike_H> <squash-> it works on xchat too
2008-05-08 00:59 < Mike_H> hahahaha
2008-05-08 00:59 < Lucifer_Cat> was he naughty with you Shiroi_Neko
2008-05-08 00:59 < White_Cat> no
2008-05-08 00:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: lol yeah /that/ was what made it epic
2008-05-08 00:59 < White_Cat> he isnt into cats
2008-05-08 01:00 < White_Cat> Lucifer_Cat can you just die?
2008-05-08 01:00 < White_Cat> I can help
2008-05-08 01:01 < Lucifer_Cat> what did i do? :S
2008-05-08 01:02 * Lucifer_Cat huggles White_Cat and goes off to sleep...
2008-05-08 01:03 < Lucifer_Cat> cyz later Mike_H , The359
2008-05-08 01:04 < White_Cat> Lucifer_Cat oh nothing
2008-05-08 01:04 < White_Cat> I like killling the innocent
2008-05-08 01:04 < White_Cat> Mike_H
2008-05-08 01:04 < White_Cat> 100,000 probably died in burma
2008-05-08 01:10 < SWATJester> My cat is staring at the corner
2008-05-08 01:10 < SWATJester> he's sitting in the corner staring into it like he's in time out or something
2008-05-08 01:11 < Cyrius> hehe
2008-05-08 01:12 < Mike_H> SWATJester: i is in ur classroom
2008-05-08 01:12 < Mike_H> avoidin eye contak
2008-05-08 01:12 < SWATJester> does not want
2008-05-08 01:13 < SWATJester> time out kitteh iz bad
2008-05-08 01:17 < amidaniel> Ohhh :(( ... poor kitteh
2008-05-08 01:17 < The359> anyway, Mike H
2008-05-08 01:17 < The359> has RobJ complained about his ban yet?
2008-05-08 01:18 < White_Cat> SWATJester maybe its dead
2008-05-08 01:18 < SWATJester> No. He's rolled over being lazy and fat now
2008-05-08 01:18 < White_Cat> undead?
2008-05-08 01:18 < White_Cat> SWATJester he hass rollback privilages?
2008-05-08 01:18 < SWATJester> and he's looking at me like he wants to sit on my back
2008-05-08 01:19 < SWATJester> Image:Let me show you my rollback.png
2008-05-08 01:19 < SWATJester> [[Image:Let me show you my rollback.png]]
2008-05-08 01:19 < SWATJester> I made lolcats today instead of studying.
2008-05-08 01:20 < White_Cat> SWATJester if the exam is on lolcats...
2008-05-08 01:22 < Mike_H> yay lolcats
2008-05-08 01:27 < amidaniel> Still my favorite .. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Lolcat2.jpg
2008-05-08 01:34 < Mask> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_Proposal/Poll is the most asinine thing ive ever seen
2008-05-08 01:34 < Mask> we step closer to dropping the '... that anyone can edit' every day
2008-05-08 01:34 < The359> that looks like our new kitten, amidaniel
2008-05-08 01:35 < The359> http://www.flickr.com/photos/the359/2468855884/
2008-05-08 01:45 * Mike_H dances
2008-05-08 01:49 < SWATJester> the359 your new kitten is a mini version of my fat cat
2008-05-08 01:50 < SWATJester> http://www.flickr.com/photos/21768554@N03/2105624283/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/21768554@N03/2105625273/
2008-05-08 01:53 < The359> we already have one fat cat
2008-05-08 01:54 < The359> we're trying to avoid making another
2008-05-08 01:55 * Cyrius has a cat that follows him around
2008-05-08 01:57 < I_am_Keegan> psh, my cat could eat your cat
2008-05-08 01:57 < Cyrius> mine would run away
2008-05-08 01:57 < SWATJester> I think I had 3 cats and my fat one ate one of the others
2008-05-08 01:57 < Cyrius> he's a big wuss
2008-05-08 01:57 < I_am_Keegan> Pagoda is a 25 pound [[Maine Coon]]
2008-05-08 01:57 < Lubaf> Exactly as planned!
2008-05-08 01:57 < I_am_Keegan> he wouldn't really eat your cate
2008-05-08 01:58 < I_am_Keegan> *cat
2008-05-08 01:58 < I_am_Keegan> he's gentle
2008-05-08 01:58 < Lubaf> I eat your cat!
2008-05-08 01:58 < I_am_Keegan> Abbie, the female, she's not so much
2008-05-08 01:58 < Lubaf> </Oscar winner imitation>
2008-05-08 01:58 < I_am_Keegan> Cute cat, SWATJester
2008-05-08 01:58 < SWATJester> my little one is cuter
2008-05-08 01:58 < Lubaf> Wait, to properly scan, that would have to be "I EAT YOUR PUSSYCAT!" while I beat I_am_Keegan to death.
2008-05-08 01:59 < I_am_Keegan> Lubaf, have you had caffeine?
2008-05-08 01:59 < SWATJester> http://www.flickr.com/photos/21768554@N03/2106405318/
2008-05-08 01:59 < SWATJester> and http://www.flickr.com/photos/21768554@N03/2105626977/in/photostream/
2008-05-08 01:59 < ybit> any psychologists in the crowd?
2008-05-08 01:59 < Lubaf> I_am_Keegan: Oddly, no.
2008-05-08 02:00 < I_am_Keegan> now that's just adorable
2008-05-08 02:00 < I_am_Keegan> my girlfriend has a cat that had her growth stunted for some reason