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2008-05-07 14:30 < Zouavman> Well it was nice talking to you guys, I'ma gonna leave now!
2008-05-07 14:30 < Zouavman> See you peeps next time ;)
2008-05-07 14:31 < geniice> cimon http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Blonde_stag_film.ogg
2008-05-07 14:31 < cimon> geniice: I know tahat one. that isn't gay secks though
2008-05-07 14:32 < kenlyric> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lucas_%28porn_star%29
2008-05-07 14:32 < geniice> we should write some open source filtering software
2008-05-07 14:32 < kenlyric> I can't even see any junk!
2008-05-07 14:32 < geniice> "Recordings of women experiencing orgasms" that was sound only
2008-05-07 14:32 < Dendodge> ooh, mm, oh!
2008-05-07 14:33 < geniice> "Images of mammary intercourse" drawings
2008-05-07 14:33 < kenlyric> puritans piss me off
2008-05-07 14:33 < kenlyric> it's just sex
2008-05-07 14:33 < Demi> don't rag on the puritans
2008-05-07 14:33 < kenlyric> yeah, they were pretty kinky
2008-05-07 14:33 < geniice> "An illustrated list of sex positions" what exactly did you expect to find at "list of sex positions"?
2008-05-07 14:34 < geniice> Virgin Killer is legal in the US as is blind faith
2008-05-07 14:34 < Asenine> you misunderstand fair use rationales, geniice
2008-05-07 14:34 < geniice> Asenine nope
2008-05-07 14:34 < cimon> "Barber said he will be contacting the Department of Justice and the U.S. Attorney's office to determine whether Wikipedia may be engaging in the dissemination of illegal obscenity." - good luck!
2008-05-07 14:35 < The359> wait, wait
2008-05-07 14:35 < The359> illegal obscenity?
2008-05-07 14:35 < The359> Guess we better take the penis pictures out of Encyclopedia Brittanica as well
2008-05-07 14:35 < geniice> cimon actualy some of the david shankbone images have potential issues
2008-05-07 14:35 < Asenine> geniice that does not necessarily only refer to wikipedia
2008-05-07 14:36 < Asenine> it does not require critical commentary, only the ability for there to be critical commentary
2008-05-07 14:36 < geniice> Asenine um yes it does since it is trying to justify the use in wikipedia
2008-05-07 14:36 < The359> Sarah Fisher's corner of Gasoline Alley had a visitor Tuesday morning: Sen. Hillary Clinton. ... Clinton asked Fisher how fast the IndyCars can run and gave an incredulous look when hearing it was nearly 230 mph. "That's like going into space," Clinton said.
2008-05-07 14:36 < geniice> Asenine nope there needs to be actual critical commentary read [[fair use]]
2008-05-07 14:36 < The359> Ugh...and she somehow WON that state
2008-05-07 14:36 < Asenine> i cannot figure out how to explain what i am trying to say so i hope someone else will be able to comment
2008-05-07 14:37 < Asenine> and also, that is not the main point
2008-05-07 14:37 < Asenine> the main point is 'It makes a significant contribution to the user's understanding of the article, which could not practically be conveyed by words alone.'
2008-05-07 14:38 < Asenine> 'The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing the work, to show the primary visual image associated with the work, and to help the user quickly identify the work and know they have found what they are looking for.Use for this purpose does not compete with the purposes of the original artwork, namely the artist's providing graphic design services to music concerns and in turn marketing music to
2008-05-07 14:38 < cimon> heh, 230 isn't even close to the sound barrier...
2008-05-07 14:38 < cimon> never mind escape velocity
2008-05-07 14:38 < geniice> Asenine nice try but the whole point of cover art tends to be to allow people to identify the album
2008-05-07 14:39 < geniice> Asenine there is a caselaw based fair use case you could make but it would require you to delete most of the other album covers
2008-05-07 14:39 < geniice> Asenine otherwise find where someone mentions the album cover in a review and cite that
2008-05-07 14:40 < Asenine> i disagree.
2008-05-07 14:40 < Asenine> i am finding it hard to find the words to convey what i want to say.
2008-05-07 14:40 < Asenine> please, for every album that does not have commentary on the artwork on wikipedia, tag it for deletion
2008-05-07 14:40 < Asenine> if that is what you want.
2008-05-07 14:40 < Asenine> or are suggesting.
2008-05-07 14:41 < geniice> Asenine that is what policy requires yes
2008-05-07 14:41 < Asenine> and i'm sure someone will be able to convey what i am trying to say.
2008-05-07 14:41 < Asenine> well then please go ahead and do it
2008-05-07 14:41 < geniice> Asenine they've tried so far epic fail
2008-05-07 14:41 < Asenine> i look forward to seeing you on IfD
2008-05-07 14:41 < geniice> but well there are rather a lot of them and overuleing that many wrong people is a bit tricky
2008-05-07 14:43 < Asenine> i didn't understand that last sentence, sorry
2008-05-07 14:43 < Asenine> if you are right it is not hard to overrule them
2008-05-07 14:43 < Asenine> wikipedia has a strict policy, if these images are in violation
2008-05-07 14:43 < Asenine> then just tag them and people will vote to delete
2008-05-07 14:43 < Asenine> i mean, if not all
2008-05-07 14:43 < Asenine> tag that image for deletion
2008-05-07 14:43 < geniice> nah they will be outnumbered by the pro album cover mob.
2008-05-07 14:44 < geniice> there are more productive fights to get involved in for the time being
2008-05-07 14:44 < Asenine> fair enough, robin
2008-05-07 14:50 < Asenine> anyway, see you all later.
2008-05-07 14:54 < Phoenixwi> can a tree fall in a forest if noone will ever enter the forest to percieve the tree falling or being in a fallen state?
2008-05-07 14:54 < Cyrius> schroedinger's larch
2008-05-07 14:55 < Garfieldairlines> I go
2008-05-07 14:55 < Garfieldairlines> ++ everyone
2008-05-07 14:55 < Phoenixwi> no it's a very deep, philosophical question I'd like someoen to answer
2008-05-07 14:56 < bbot> Phoenixwi: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/disputing-defin.html
2008-05-07 14:56 < bbot> There's your answer.
2008-05-07 14:56 < Voretus> Phoenixwi
2008-05-07 14:56 < Voretus> yes
2008-05-07 14:56 < Phoenixwi> that's what I think too
2008-05-07 14:57 < Phoenixwi> bbot, OMG thanks that's brilliant
2008-05-07 14:57 < cimon> Phoenixwi: Put the forest in a box, and hand it over to your local Quantum Mechanic.
2008-05-07 14:57 < Phoenixwi> nah discussion in philosophy currently taking place
2008-05-07 14:58 < cimon> Heh, that reminds me of my favorite sex related article in wikipedia - [[Fuck for Forest]]
2008-05-07 14:59 < Dendodge> lol
2008-05-07 14:59 < Dendodge> I would have tagged that as a hoax!
2008-05-07 15:00 < WBOSITG> hello all
2008-05-07 15:00 < Dendodge> hi
2008-05-07 15:02 < Phoenixwi> cimon lol saw that on WP:UNUSUAL
2008-05-07 15:04 < cimon> Phoenixwi: their site isn't even all that bad...
2008-05-07 15:04 < cimon> I would pay for quite some bit of the content, if I had the money to spare.
2008-05-07 15:05 < Lubaf> One of the more amusing sports related curses (besides the [[Curse of the Colonel]]) is the Krakow Kurse. Every year, Mike Krakow predicts that the San Francisco Giants have a chance to win the World Series. The theory of the curse is that, until he stops making that prediction, they never will.
2008-05-07 15:05 < Messedrocker> I predict that the Yankees will lose every world series for the next consecutive 50 years
2008-05-07 15:07 < cimon> god wll there ever be monday morning quarterbacking, if the democrats don't win the white house...
2008-05-07 15:08 < Voretus> lets hope not
2008-05-07 15:09 < cimon> hope there won't boe monday mornign qaterbacking or hope dems don't get oval?
2008-05-07 15:09 < bumm13> Messedrocker: they have to get there first ;p
2008-05-07 15:09 < bumm13> that hasn't happened since 2004, IIRC
2008-05-07 15:10 < bumm13> (haha, year 2116)
2008-05-07 15:10 < bumm13> oops, wrong window :P
2008-05-07 15:12 < Voretus> so is it pov to call a transgender person by the preferred gender
2008-05-07 15:12 < Voretus> or pov not to
2008-05-07 15:13 < Dendodge> both
2008-05-07 15:13 < Dendodge> use transgender
2008-05-07 15:13 < bumm13> it's POV to call them a "pinko commie"
2008-05-07 15:13 < Messedrocker> custom is that you refer to trans by their preference
2008-05-07 15:13 < TheWeasel> Ugh... tequila-flavored beer.
2008-05-07 15:13 < TheWeasel> bumm13: Yea, it's a gross understatement.
2008-05-07 15:13 < TheWeasel> Who are we talking about?
2008-05-07 15:13 < sasquatch> mmm.. beer flavored tequila
2008-05-07 15:13 < bumm13> nobody in particular (transgender persons)
2008-05-07 15:14 < bumm13> TheWeasel: I stumbled across something interesting yesterday
2008-05-07 15:14 < TheWeasel> Oh, didcha
2008-05-07 15:14 < bumm13> it's German even ;)
2008-05-07 15:14 < WBOSITG> Hey, did the en wikipedia IRC channel merge into this one?
2008-05-07 15:14 < TheWeasel> beer-flavored tequila would make it eminently more drinkable
2008-05-07 15:14 < bumm13> nope
2008-05-07 15:14 < WBOSITG> oh
2008-05-07 15:14 < bumm13> that's at #wikipedia-en
2008-05-07 15:15 < bumm13> this channel isn't so on-topic :P
2008-05-07 15:15 < bumm13> (whereas -en is supposed to be
2008-05-07 15:15 < bumm13> )
2008-05-07 15:15 < WBOSITG> that's weird, It didn't come up on the search
2008-05-07 15:15 < Dendodge> Supposed to be
2008-05-07 15:15 < WBOSITG> lol, who needs a topic
2008-05-07 15:15 * TheWeasel decides to behead a bottle of wine
2008-05-07 15:15 < Voretus> Dendodge what about in a case like "Richard Nancy is a female-to-male transgendered activist. He is a [[drunken]] [[sociopath]]." or "Richard Nancy is a female-to-male transgendered activist. She is a [[drunken]] [[sociopath]]."
2008-05-07 15:16 < Dendodge> They are
2008-05-07 15:16 < Dendodge> Neutral
2008-05-07 15:16 < WBOSITG> what
2008-05-07 15:16 < bumm13> TheWeasel: does your main browser have Flash capability?
2008-05-07 15:16 < TheWeasel> I think so.
2008-05-07 15:16 < Voretus> oh, singular they, of course
2008-05-07 15:16 < TheWeasel> (pretty sure)
2008-05-07 15:16 < Dendodge> They can mean one person (or I've failed my SATs)
2008-05-07 15:17 < WBOSITG> hehe
2008-05-07 15:17 < Cyrius> singular they sucks
2008-05-07 15:17 < bumm13> it r0x0rs!
2008-05-07 15:17 < Dendodge> WIKTIONARY: THEY: the third person singular,
2008-05-07 15:17 < The359> SATs aren't pass/fail
2008-05-07 15:18 < Dendodge> I know
2008-05-07 15:18 < bumm13> TheWeasel: http://www.vipoland.com/biz/en/index.php
2008-05-07 15:18 < Dendodge> but anything lower than a 5...
2008-05-07 15:18 < Dendodge> I'm a Level 7b anyway
2008-05-07 15:18 < The359> you get like 400 points just for putting your name on the test
2008-05-07 15:18 < Dendodge> No that's GCSE
2008-05-07 15:19 < Dendodge> SATs are stricter
2008-05-07 15:19 < TheWeasel> what be that?
2008-05-07 15:19 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-05-07 15:19 < The359> erm, no, that's the SATs
2008-05-07 15:19 < bumm13> some kids stuff, I guess
2008-05-07 15:19 < bumm13> this is better still - a song by one of the show's (?) characters
2008-05-07 15:20 < bumm13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLAf_8O8-cQ
2008-05-07 15:20 < Dendodge> UK SATs are strict
2008-05-07 15:20 < bumm13> (it happens to be a cat)
2008-05-07 15:20 * TheWeasel has fingers too long
2008-05-07 15:20 < TheWeasel> *nails
2008-05-07 15:20 < TheWeasel> I'm not aware of that show
2008-05-07 15:21 < TheWeasel> but it seems to be one
2008-05-07 15:22 < Messedrocker> that kitty is really conceited
2008-05-07 15:22 < Dendodge> Copyvio
2008-05-07 15:22 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-07 15:22 * TheWeasel plays a couple of Merle Haggard songs on his trusted Squier
2008-05-07 15:22 < bumm13> \o/
2008-05-07 15:23 * bumm13 continues to watch old sci-fi
2008-05-07 15:23 < WBOSITG> Dendodge: They are not
2008-05-07 15:23 < WBOSITG> lol
2008-05-07 15:23 < WBOSITG> well, I'm taking Standard Grades, so
2008-05-07 15:23 < Dendodge> They're TV shows on YouTube
2008-05-07 15:24 < WBOSITG> SATs?
2008-05-07 15:24 * WBOSITG scratches head
2008-05-07 15:24 < Dendodge> I'm doing the higher level papers
2008-05-07 15:24 < WBOSITG> oh
2008-05-07 15:24 < WBOSITG> Like, A-Levels?
2008-05-07 15:24 < Dendodge> No, SATs, but the 6-8s
2008-05-07 15:25 < Dendodge> Rather than the normal 5-7s
2008-05-07 15:25 * TheWeasel plays Iff (sic) We Make It Thru December
2008-05-07 15:25 < geniice> underage and b&
2008-05-07 15:25 * bumm13 uses his mouse
2008-05-07 15:27 < gwern> 'the world worlds'
2008-05-07 15:29 * TheWeasel plays Simon & Garfunkel - Song For The Asking
2008-05-07 15:31 < gwern> 'I still recall the look of horror on the face of a Microsoft Vice President at being heckled by angry engineers at a CIFS technical conference. He'd been talked by Microsoft marketing into giving a generic Windows XP marketing presentation instead of a technical one. He later admitted he felt like an endangered spotted owl in a bar frequented by loggers (which in the US Pacific Northwest where Microsoft is based, is not a good thing to be).'
2008-05-07 15:34 < geniice> source?
2008-05-07 15:35 < WBOSITG> {{fact}} :P
2008-05-07 15:35 < gwern> source? THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
2008-05-07 15:40 < geniice> in the face of armagedon demand a source.
2008-05-07 15:40 < geniice> Actualy armagedon happened. Britian won
2008-05-07 15:42 < gwern> 'On the flipside, Senator Clinton’s chances of securing the nomination were cut in half, falling from 22 percent to 10 percent.'
2008-05-07 15:42 < gwern> I told y'all so yesterday; a 51% victory was a loss for clinton, and her shares would fall by half or more
2008-05-07 15:43 < geniice> you are failing to factor in the hocker
2008-05-07 15:43 * gwern smugs
2008-05-07 15:47 < gwern> 'Always invest in the Sense Motive skill. Always.' <-- redditor on the Milgram experiments
2008-05-07 15:49 < Alkivar> lol
2008-05-07 15:50 < Alkivar> clinton campaign worker i know says to expect a concession speech in 48hrs
2008-05-07 15:50 < Alkivar> hillary has to put another 2mil of her own cash up to keep the campaign afloat at this point... everyone is sure that wont happen
2008-05-07 15:50 < gwern> Alkivar: how high up?
2008-05-07 15:51 < geniice> Bah would she rather resign now or go out with a wimper in the enxt couple of weeks
2008-05-07 15:51 < Alkivar> works in the NYC headquarters
2008-05-07 15:51 < Alkivar> not a phone staffer
2008-05-07 15:51 < geniice> or read freakanomics a decided to see what can be done on a shoestring
2008-05-07 15:52 < Alkivar> she says several important workers at her campaign office in NYC are talking about bailing for obama
2008-05-07 15:53 < gwern> hm. hillary is a NY senator, so maybe this friend would know
2008-05-07 15:53 < Alkivar> and that was a topic that was forbidden discussion before
2008-05-07 15:53 < Alkivar> but its being overlooked at this point in time
2008-05-07 15:53 < Alkivar> i really think its coming to a close, hillary has also cancelled all public meetings for today and tommorrow
2008-05-07 15:54 < gwern> there was a rumor that she was cancelling TV appearances
2008-05-07 15:56 < gwern> I personally find her "full speed on to the White House" phrase hilarious
2008-05-07 15:57 < Mike_H> gwern: Well, she can't publicly say she sucks.
2008-05-07 15:59 < gwern> 'From the seventeenth century onwards the game, which at its peak rivaled chess for popularity in Europe, virtually disappeared until the late 19th and early 20th century when rediscovered by historians.' [[Rithmomachy]]
2008-05-07 16:01 < sparr_> gwern: that looks like a hoax
2008-05-07 16:01 < gwern> 'John E. Edgerton, president of the National Association of Manufacturers, typified their response when he declared: “I am for everything that will make work happier but against everything that will further subordinate its importance. The emphasis should be put on work—more work and better work.” “Nothing,” he claimed, “breeds radicalism more than unhappiness unless it is leisure.” '
2008-05-07 16:01 < gwern> 'They celebrated the conceptual breakthrough: “Economically we have a boundless field before us; that there are new wants which will make way endlessly for newer wants, as fast as they are satisfied.” '
2008-05-07 16:02 < gwern> sparr_: what? the cancellation of TV appearances?
2008-05-07 16:02 < sparr_> ignore me
2008-05-07 16:04 < gwern> \ignore sparr_
2008-05-07 16:30 < gwern> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User:Gurch&curid=15522099&diff=210853876&oldid=210852235 <-- appropriate
2008-05-07 16:30 < TheWeasel> “In Soviet Russia, BSU!”
2008-05-07 16:30 < TheWeasel> *zonk
2008-05-07 16:38 < Lycurgus> NP: mash up of Stones "20K ly from home" and T Rex's "Bang a gong"
2008-05-07 16:40 < Lycurgus> *2K
2008-05-07 16:41 < StayTuned> interesting
2008-05-07 16:42 < StayTuned> someone tried to reset my password today
2008-05-07 16:42 < StayTuned> I must be getting too popular
2008-05-07 16:45 < StayTuned> funny - loans to finance a presidential election...scoff...
2008-05-07 16:48 < StayTuned> "The options are limited for Clinton because she is at a huge financial disadvantage. The campaign announced that she has loaned her campaign another $6.4 million, on top of the $5 million she provided in January. But she will be no match for Obama." -- Washington Post - Front Page
2008-05-07 16:53 < StayTuned> "Crude-oil rose $1.69, or 1.4%, to settle at $123.53 a barrel, the third record close in as many days. Crude is now up 29% for the year to date and more than double its level of 52 weeks ago.
2008-05-07 16:53 < StayTuned> " <=== WSJ
2008-05-07 16:54 < StayTuned> I'm so glad I don't drive...
2008-05-07 16:55 < Reedy> at least your fuels loads cheaper than it is in the UK
2008-05-07 16:56 < denelson83> Apparently the World ends on the A34 north of Newbury
2008-05-07 16:57 < StayTuned> My world ends at my doorstep.
2008-05-07 16:57 < StayTuned> I get out like once a week.
2008-05-07 16:57 < StayTuned> The internet is my prison.
2008-05-07 16:58 < StayTuned> But hey - that's livin' in style for a lot of folks - so I guess its not "that" bad
2008-05-07 16:59 < StayTuned> hey Mike_H - welcome to the party
2008-05-07 16:59 < Mike_H> ...hi
2008-05-07 16:59 < StayTuned> :)
2008-05-07 16:59 < Mike_H> :)
2008-05-07 16:59 < StayTuned> I'm gonna be stepping out for a hamburger in a minute.
2008-05-07 17:00 < StayTuned> The outdoor office will close
2008-05-07 17:00 < StayTuned> I feel like I should grow my hair and do a kashmir cover sometime
2008-05-07 17:01 < StayTuned> then I could cut my hair and do Time by Floyd
2008-05-07 17:02 < StayTuned> :)
2008-05-07 17:02 < StayTuned> o_o
2008-05-07 17:03 < StayTuned> "we are the champions - we are the champions....no time for losers cause we are the champiooooooooooooooooooons......of the world...." - Queen....
2008-05-07 17:05 * Mike_H pets StayTuned
2008-05-07 17:06 * StayTuned pets Mike_H
2008-05-07 17:06 < StayTuned> LOL
2008-05-07 17:06 < StayTuned> oh no!
2008-05-07 17:06 < StayTuned> I am so glad IRC isn't for real!
2008-05-07 17:06 * TheWeasel doesn't want to know what Queen are champions at
2008-05-07 17:06 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Meth?
2008-05-07 17:06 < TheWeasel> good call.
2008-05-07 17:07 < StayTuned> "I've paid my dues...."
2008-05-07 17:07 < StayTuned> "Time after time...."
2008-05-07 17:07 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: I'm watching Solid Gold reruns
2008-05-07 17:07 < TheWeasel> Poor you.
2008-05-07 17:07 < Mike_H> cary and I are trying to make the Solid Gold article FA :DD
2008-05-07 17:07 < Mike_H> poor me
2008-05-07 17:07 < Mike_H> you bitch
2008-05-07 17:07 < TheWeasel> Well, srsly.
2008-05-07 17:07 < StayTuned> that has got to be a trip
2008-05-07 17:08 < StayTuned> Solid Gold rocks
2008-05-07 17:08 < Mike_H> StayTuned: :DD
2008-05-07 17:08 < StayTuned> platform shoes and monster afros
2008-05-07 17:08 < Mike_H> That was Soul Train, dear.
2008-05-07 17:08 < Mike_H> Solid Gold had gold lame bodysuits and perms.
2008-05-07 17:08 < StayTuned> oops
2008-05-07 17:08 < TheWeasel> *Gilbert O'Sullivan - Get Down
2008-05-07 17:08 < StayTuned> ok - chow time
2008-05-07 17:08 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Oh, hot, you're playing his OTHER hit.
2008-05-07 17:09 < StayTuned> be back soon
2008-05-07 17:09 * TheWeasel burps in response
2008-05-07 17:09 < Mike_H> Alone Again Naturally has to be the whiniest emo song that was created before the emo genre.
2008-05-07 17:09 < TheWeasel> and the title is blatantly ripped off the vastly superior Alone Again Or
2008-05-07 17:10 < Mike_H> I thought you were being sarcastic
2008-05-07 17:10 < Mike_H> but that song actually exists
2008-05-07 17:11 < TheWeasel> AND is vastly superior
2008-05-07 17:11 * TheWeasel steps outside to spread his strain of largepox
2008-05-07 17:26 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern she is "full speed on to the White House"
2008-05-07 17:26 < Shiroi_Neko> but her path is blocked by an indestructable black wall
2008-05-07 17:26 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: I know; hilarious right?
2008-05-07 17:26 < Shiroi_Neko> so she is wasting her tires
2008-05-07 17:26 < cimon> Shiroi_Neko: yea, as veep or chief of staff or what?
2008-05-07 17:26 < gwern> truly, she forecast aright when she told people to bet on Eight Belles for her :)
2008-05-07 17:27 < Shiroi_Neko> cimon as an intern
2008-05-07 17:27 < Shiroi_Neko> ;)
2008-05-07 17:27 < cimon> heh, me has this image of hillary giving a bj to bama in the oval office...
2008-05-07 17:27 < amidaniel> o.O
2008-05-07 17:27 < amidaniel> I thought Hillary didn't do .. that ... and I thought that was sort of the problem ...
2008-05-07 17:28 < cimon> lol
2008-05-07 17:29 < Shiroi_Neko> cimon think of it this way
2008-05-07 17:29 < Shiroi_Neko> she knows bill will satisfy her when she becomes an intern
2008-05-07 17:29 < Shiroi_Neko> tho bill should be president again
2008-05-07 17:30 < Shiroi_Neko> it'd be ridiclous if hillary gets to be the prez
2008-05-07 17:30 < cimon> gwern: the line that will stay with me about the Hillary campaign is "This is when the really fun part starts." or however she phrased it, when she was suggesting that she was going to wipe the floor with Obama...
2008-05-07 17:31 < gwern> it'd be impressive if she became president; either incredibly inspiring or sickening
2008-05-07 17:31 < gwern> cimon: 'conceding is such fun!'
2008-05-07 17:31 < Mask> i like politics-as-theatre, yeltsin standing on the tank, all that, so the dem fight is fascinating for me
2008-05-07 17:31 < Shiroi_Neko> 16 years of the same people...
2008-05-07 17:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Mask-o-rama
2008-05-07 17:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Mask you saw arbcom lately?
2008-05-07 17:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Jack Merridew issue is back
2008-05-07 17:32 < Mask> I did. I'm always a fan of second chances, but he has to show he's truly reformed, which he hasnt done yet
2008-05-07 17:32 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern I think if hillary gets elected president ww3 will start
2008-05-07 17:32 < Shiroi_Neko> because bill will start screwing the wifes of other leaders when they visit
2008-05-07 17:32 < Shiroi_Neko> only merkel is safe
2008-05-07 17:33 < Aqwis> personally, i think ww2 will restart
2008-05-07 17:33 < cimon> gwern: you remember what Perot answered to Bush, when Bush asked Perot to bow out of the race?
2008-05-07 17:33 < Shiroi_Neko> Aqwis no
2008-05-07 17:33 < Shiroi_Neko> hitler is dead
2008-05-07 17:33 < Aqwis> reborn in the body of a woman
2008-05-07 17:33 < Aqwis> two women actually
2008-05-07 17:33 < Shiroi_Neko> Aqwis merkel is hitler?
2008-05-07 17:33 < Aqwis> hitler versus hitler
2008-05-07 17:33 < Aqwis> Shiroi_Neko, clinton too
2008-05-07 17:33 < Shiroi_Neko> cat fight
2008-05-07 17:34 < Shiroi_Neko> Bill Clinton is hitler?
2008-05-07 17:34 < Aqwis> hillary
2008-05-07 17:34 < Aqwis> bill clinton is a dog
2008-05-07 17:34 < Shiroi_Neko> hillary should devorce bill
2008-05-07 17:34 < gwern> cimon: no
2008-05-07 17:34 < Shiroi_Neko> and marry obama
2008-05-07 17:34 < Aqwis> hitler's dog
2008-05-07 17:34 < cimon> horn-dog
2008-05-07 17:34 < Mask> before this election, there wasn't a single person i knew who wouldn't have voted for bill again if given the chance, then he had to go fuck it up. hes not comfortable being a surrogate
2008-05-07 17:35 < quanticle> Mask: Really? I think Hillary did plenty of fucking up on her own.
2008-05-07 17:35 < Shiroi_Neko> Mask bill clinton fucks
2008-05-07 17:35 < Shiroi_Neko> he is a pussy lover
2008-05-07 17:35 < Shiroi_Neko> us pussies dont like him much tho
2008-05-07 17:36 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle she hasn't fuked interns yet
2008-05-07 17:36 < Shiroi_Neko> thats a republican thing now
2008-05-07 17:36 < Mask> quanticle, im not talking about him fucking up her election, i mean him squandering all the goodwill people had in him, specifically
2008-05-07 17:36 < cimon> gwern: Perot asked Bush, why the fuck did Bush have to go and disrupt Perots daughters wedding. How the hell could Bush excuse that. Bush had no reply.
2008-05-07 17:36 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Though, I have to question his choice in pussy. I mean, c'mon! You're the leader of the free world, and all you choose is Lewinsky?
2008-05-07 17:36 < gwern> cimon: ...his wedding? what?
2008-05-07 17:36 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle he doesnt discriminate
2008-05-07 17:36 < cimon> gwern: daughters wedding.
2008-05-07 17:37 < quanticle> Mask: Ah. Yeah. That's true. Clinton had a damn good legacy that he's gone a long way toward tarnishing.
2008-05-07 17:37 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle he fucked lewinsky 8 times
2008-05-07 17:37 < Shiroi_Neko> 8 fucking times
2008-05-07 17:38 < Mask> quanticle, as recently as last year, 88 percent of the us population had a favorable view of clinton. Thats OBSCENE. As a country, we loved that man
2008-05-07 17:38 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Yeah, what the fuck? I mean, is he into fat chicks or something?
2008-05-07 17:38 < Shiroi_Neko> Mask USians oved bush too
2008-05-07 17:38 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle BSDM
2008-05-07 17:38 < Shiroi_Neko> monica raped him
2008-05-07 17:38 * gwern doesn't understand
2008-05-07 17:39 < Shiroi_Neko> McCain will be the secretary of state I believe
2008-05-07 17:39 < quanticle> Mask: Well, yeah. Clinton was a symbol of the good ol' days, when we ruled the world, the dotcom bubble was still inflating, and people's lives were still good.
2008-05-07 17:39 < Mask> NPR's Wait wait, dont tell me was all over that, for the first time, more people had favorable opinions of EVERY SINGLE STILL LIVING FORMER PRESIDENT then the current one, i cracked up laughing at segal's comments
2008-05-07 17:39 < Shiroi_Neko> or secretary of defense
2008-05-07 17:39 < cimon> gwern: I was making a roundabout point about some acts being hard to get over. Even in the context of politics making strange bedfellows.
2008-05-07 17:39 < Shiroi_Neko> you see he is a millitary nut :P
2008-05-07 17:39 < Shiroi_Neko> Colonel McCain
2008-05-07 17:40 < Shiroi_Neko> er
2008-05-07 17:40 < gwern> cimon: ok then...
2008-05-07 17:40 < Shiroi_Neko> Captain
2008-05-07 17:40 < Shiroi_Neko> Captain Jean-Luc McCain
2008-05-07 17:40 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Finding and occupying alien worlds?
2008-05-07 17:40 < Aqwis> of the USS Wreck
2008-05-07 17:40 < TheWeasel> Wow, the level of discourse on CNN is below the barrel.
2008-05-07 17:41 < cimon> gwern: you can bulldoze some people all of the people some of the time, you can bulldoze some people some of the time, but you can't bulldoze all of the people all of the time...
2008-05-07 17:41 < Shiroi_Neko> no
2008-05-07 17:41 < Shiroi_Neko> USS US
2008-05-07 17:41 < Shiroi_Neko> USS USN?
2008-05-07 17:41 < quanticle> cimon: Sure you can. Just make sure you mention something about 9/11, and terrorists beforehand.
2008-05-07 17:42 < Shiroi_Neko> 9/11 = 0.818182
2008-05-07 17:42 < cimon> quanticle: heh, Giuliani is already out...
2008-05-07 17:42 < TheWeasel> the terrorists hate our library.
2008-05-07 17:42 < Shiroi_Neko> .818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181
2008-05-07 17:42 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Since when was CNN especially erudite?
2008-05-07 17:42 < Shiroi_Neko> since when did CNN had a pattern?
2008-05-07 17:42 * quanticle gets his political news from the Economist
2008-05-07 17:42 < TheWeasel> Never, but it could at least referring to China as "the large Asian country"
2008-05-07 17:42 < cimon> And I mean out of the ocntes, not out of the closet.
2008-05-07 17:42 < Shiroi_Neko> NBC
2008-05-07 17:42 < TheWeasel> *stop
2008-05-07 17:43 < Shiroi_Neko> Nothing But Crap
2008-05-07 17:43 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Heh. You never know, what with a large proportion of Americans not being able to identify Iraq on a map.
2008-05-07 17:43 < TheWeasel> Not the standard CNN watches ought to be held against.
2008-05-07 17:43 < TheWeasel> It's a news channel after all
2008-05-07 17:44 < quanticle> To be fair though, in the '70s, I doubt most people could identify Vietnam on a map.
2008-05-07 17:44 < Shiroi_Neko> I think Hillary suffers from stand alone complex
2008-05-07 17:44 < TheWeasel> well, that gap was duly filled.
2008-05-07 17:44 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Hillary is Ghost in the Shell?
2008-05-07 17:44 < Shiroi_Neko> she has a ghost yes
2008-05-07 17:44 < gwern> quanticle: no. hillary *is* the puppeteer
2008-05-07 17:44 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern nah
2008-05-07 17:45 < Shiroi_Neko> thats obama
2008-05-07 17:45 < Shiroi_Neko> or bush
2008-05-07 17:45 < Shiroi_Neko> yeah
2008-05-07 17:45 < Shiroi_Neko> bush
2008-05-07 17:45 < quanticle> TheWeasel: I doubt that most people could identify Vietnam on a map now, for that matter, despite the fact that their T-shirt was most likely made there.
2008-05-07 17:45 < Shiroi_Neko> obama is the smart non-corrupt laughing man
2008-05-07 17:45 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Y'mean Cheney, not Bush, right?
2008-05-07 17:45 < TheWeasel> Not sure. I'd be hard-pressed to draw an accurate map of SE Asia myself.
2008-05-07 17:45 < Mask> you guys see that daily show clip where jon wonders how rudy can slip 9/11 into a discussion about the economy?
2008-05-07 17:45 < Shiroi_Neko> cheney is not a cyborg
2008-05-07 17:45 < Shiroi_Neko> he is an android
2008-05-07 17:45 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Obama is corrupt to. Its just that he's beholden to interests that I happen to agree with.
2008-05-07 17:46 < Mask> "Inflation is set to rise between 9 and 11 percent
2008-05-07 17:46 < Mask> he fucking said it
2008-05-07 17:46 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle he is not corrupt
2008-05-07 17:46 < Mask> i was hysterical
2008-05-07 17:46 < Shiroi_Neko> lies!
2008-05-07 17:46 < quanticle> Mask: Who?
2008-05-07 17:46 < Mask> quanticle, rudy, before florida
2008-05-07 17:46 < quanticle> Mask: Hilarious!
2008-05-07 17:46 < Asenine> Hey guys, I am looking for the tool that shows you the pages that you have created, anyone got a link?
2008-05-07 17:46 < Shiroi_Neko> Mask no McCain said that
2008-05-07 17:47 * TheWeasel is not a fan of Obama still, but I haven't the nerve to be shouted down by rabid Obama supporters any more
2008-05-07 17:47 < Mask> Shiroi_Neko, no, it was rudy, ill go find it
2008-05-07 17:47 < TheWeasel> not that I like Hillary
2008-05-07 17:47 < Shiroi_Neko> Mask oh right
2008-05-07 17:47 < Shiroi_Neko> I remember
2008-05-07 17:47 < Shiroi_Neko> yes it was him
2008-05-07 17:47 < Shiroi_Neko> dont bother finding
2008-05-07 17:47 < Shiroi_Neko> I remember
2008-05-07 17:47 < Mask> http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Daily_Show_Rudy_Guiliani_Brings_9_11_Into_The_Economy
2008-05-07 17:47 < Mask> whoops
2008-05-07 17:47 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Its not that I'm a fan of Obama, but, unlike most of Hillary's current supporters, I accept the fact that he's going to the Democratic nominee, and I'm prepared to stand behind him
2008-05-07 17:47 < cimon> Finland won 3-2.
2008-05-07 17:47 < Mask> too late
2008-05-07 17:48 < TheWeasel> Last time I heard Obama speak he even did that MLK-type vibrato shtick
2008-05-07 17:48 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle in a sexual manner?
2008-05-07 17:48 < TheWeasel> it was kind of cheesy
2008-05-07 17:48 < Demi> almost all of what i've seen of obama strikes me as quite phony
2008-05-07 17:48 < gwern> TheWeasel: don't worry. he can't borrow too much from MLK, or else someone will assassinate him
2008-05-07 17:48 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Well, he is more attractive than Clinton, to be quite honest.
2008-05-07 17:49 < Shiroi_Neko> which is why he fucked obama
2008-05-07 17:49 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern I think cheney is the solid state society
2008-05-07 17:49 < TheWeasel> I don't even think he's insincere, he rarely makes concrete statements, so his promises easier to keep.
2008-05-07 17:49 < TheWeasel> *are
2008-05-07 17:49 < TheWeasel> he's just too feelgood and fluffy
2008-05-07 17:49 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: I think the solid state society was so weird a idea no one but gibson could do it justice
2008-05-07 17:50 < gwern> certainly the movie was inferior
2008-05-07 17:50 < TheWeasel> he knows too well what people long to hear
2008-05-07 17:50 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Cheney is solid state society? What does that mean?
2008-05-07 17:50 < Demi> TheWeasel - vague platitudes?
2008-05-07 17:50 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle not so obscue Ghost in the shell referance
2008-05-07 17:50 < TheWeasel> That's the word :-Ü
2008-05-07 17:50 < Shiroi_Neko> aka pupetter
2008-05-07 17:51 < TheWeasel> but if we all work together, there's no limit to Wikipedia's dreams!
2008-05-07 17:51 < Shiroi_Neko> if only bush had a 3rd term
2008-05-07 17:51 < gwern> I dunno. he took a fair bit of heat early on for the anti-anti-gas-tax position
2008-05-07 17:51 < Shiroi_Neko> he would invade iran
2008-05-07 17:51 < Shiroi_Neko> and US would reduce the number of wars it is in by 1
2008-05-07 17:51 < Shiroi_Neko> own to 1
2008-05-07 17:51 < Shiroi_Neko> *down
2008-05-07 17:52 < TheWeasel> And raise the number of chaotic vacuums by one.
2008-05-07 17:52 < quanticle> gwern: But somehow, I think he knew that the people would burn through that sort of chaff eventually, and see it for what it really was - a license for the oil companies to earn even more.
2008-05-07 17:52 < TheWeasel> but those things never interest voters.
2008-05-07 17:52 < TheWeasel> Voters are a fairly selfish and short-sighted set.
2008-05-07 17:52 < Shiroi_Neko> TheWeasel nah
2008-05-07 17:52 < TheWeasel> </mencken>
2008-05-07 17:52 < Shiroi_Neko> afganistan and iraq both border iran
2008-05-07 17:52 < Shiroi_Neko> if you invade iran it merges the two battles
2008-05-07 17:53 < gwern> quanticle: hoped, perhaps, but honestly - that sort of basic economics is a lot to expect of the american electorate
2008-05-07 17:53 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern is an elitist
2008-05-07 17:53 < gwern> and especially coming on the heels of wright and the bitter comment? it could've damanged him even more
2008-05-07 17:53 < Shiroi_Neko> he wants the prez to have exeptional qualities
2008-05-07 17:53 < gwern> kind of like the bush and supermarkets thing
2008-05-07 17:53 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: damn straight
2008-05-07 17:54 < Shiroi_Neko> _________
2008-05-07 17:54 < TheWeasel> Iran would be dead stupid to get involved without a proxy anywhere.
2008-05-07 17:54 < TheWeasel> heh, Khatami just said Iran was kindasorta supporting the insurgency
2008-05-07 17:54 * gwern likes my president like FDR - physically crippled but mentally geniuses; that is, the opposite of GWB
2008-05-07 17:54 < SWATJester> god forbid we expect our president to have even standard qualities.
2008-05-07 17:54 < SWATJester> like honesty
2008-05-07 17:54 < SWATJester> and integrity
2008-05-07 17:54 < TheWeasel> the Ayatollah balked at him with the "Islam nutterism in one country" theory
2008-05-07 17:54 < SWATJester> and the ability to speak coherently
2008-05-07 17:54 < Messedrocker> metroid prime supports progressive scanline
2008-05-07 17:54 < SWATJester> and coolness under mounds of sniper fire
2008-05-07 17:54 < Messedrocker> that's winsauce
2008-05-07 17:55 < quanticle> gwern: I dunno, but Obama's bet might be paying off. I've seen people interviewed on *local* news who saw Hillary's tactic as a gimmick. The American voter might not understand economics, but they do understand that when politicians of both parties agree on something, its probably bad for them.
2008-05-07 17:55 < Messedrocker> who would've thought a game from 2001/2 would support it?
2008-05-07 17:55 < Shiroi_Neko> FDR was far from a genious
2008-05-07 17:55 * Shiroi_Neko doesnt like FDR
2008-05-07 17:55 < gwern> lol
2008-05-07 17:55 < TheWeasel> no problem with plain-talkin' folks like Truman
2008-05-07 17:55 < TheWeasel> without atomic bombs iaap
2008-05-07 17:55 * Shiroi_Neko likes the 7th US prez
2008-05-07 17:55 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: He wasn't a genius, but at least he had the balls to do something, unlike Hoover, who was content to sit on his ass and let the country starve.
2008-05-07 17:55 < Messedrocker> andrew jackson?
2008-05-07 17:55 < SWATJester> TheWeasel: Richard Holbrooke just published a book about Truman's inner circle I think
2008-05-07 17:55 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: well, alright, but FDR wasn't a genius in the same way GWB wasn't retarded. I was making what I thought was a very humorous inverted comparison
2008-05-07 17:55 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Andrew Johnson?
2008-05-07 17:56 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle in a sense FDR was always sitting on his ass
2008-05-07 17:56 < TheWeasel> the great underrated James K. Polk?
2008-05-07 17:56 < TheWeasel> Heh...
2008-05-07 17:56 * quanticle hates Jackson (and Johnson too)
2008-05-07 17:56 < SWATJester> quanticle: like subverting the judicial system by destroying the integrity of the supreme court?
2008-05-07 17:56 < Shiroi_Neko> Hoover occasionaly walked
2008-05-07 17:56 < TheWeasel> Volcano eruption in Chile?
2008-05-07 17:56 < Shiroi_Neko> yes
2008-05-07 17:56 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Hey. FDR could walk. It was just... difficult for him.
2008-05-07 17:56 < TheWeasel> Hoover was a pretty good guy who came into office at a bad time.
2008-05-07 17:56 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle yes
2008-05-07 17:56 < Shiroi_Neko> Bush can think
2008-05-07 17:57 < Shiroi_Neko> but it is just too difficult for him
2008-05-07 17:57 < Heartwork> Bush actually used to be fairly well-spoken.
2008-05-07 17:57 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Well, he also had the conservative tendency of thinking that people deserved their just desserts, without realizing that economic damage isn't limited to speculators.
2008-05-07 17:57 < TheWeasel> he was, funny enough that was when he was freshly off drugs
2008-05-07 17:57 < Shiroi_Neko> Heartwork thats when he was using all 5 of his brain cells
2008-05-07 17:57 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Heh.
2008-05-07 17:58 < TheWeasel> Well, he was rather gifted, this would have gone over anyone's head
2008-05-07 17:58 < Shiroi_Neko> TheWeasel he is always on drugs
2008-05-07 17:58 < Shiroi_Neko> especialy when he says he isnt
2008-05-07 17:58 < Heartwork> If you watch speeches he gave during his stint as the Governor of Texas, he was quite and orator
2008-05-07 17:58 < Heartwork> quite an orator, rather.
2008-05-07 17:58 < Shiroi_Neko> Heartwork not really
2008-05-07 17:58 < Shiroi_Neko> it was just what texans wanted
2008-05-07 17:59 < Shiroi_Neko> texanophobia
2008-05-07 17:59 < Shiroi_Neko> err
2008-05-07 17:59 < Shiroi_Neko> texanopilia
2008-05-07 17:59 < Heartwork> Nothing extraordinary, but above average.
2008-05-07 17:59 < Shiroi_Neko> :/
2008-05-07 17:59 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: The issue with Bush is that he really didn't get elected on his own merits. It was the peak of the Republican empire, so the figured they could push any idiot into power and get away with it. Well, they were right about the first part, and, as for the second, well, they did manage to hold off the reckoning for eight long years.
2008-05-07 17:59 < TheWeasel> the guy from New Haven, CT
2008-05-07 17:59 < Shiroi_Neko> Heartwork which is a B
2008-05-07 17:59 < Shiroi_Neko> 8 long years?
2008-05-07 17:59 < TheWeasel> quanticle: Precisely. Newt Gingrich's and the religious right's work finally paid off.
2008-05-07 18:00 < Shiroi_Neko> you mean 8 LOOOOONG years
2008-05-07 18:00 < TheWeasel> and it's so different from 2003 or so nowadays.
2008-05-07 18:00 < TheWeasel> it's hard to tell people how American politics were five years ago
2008-05-07 18:00 < Shiroi_Neko> it isnt hard
2008-05-07 18:00 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Indeed. It was so... *weird*.
2008-05-07 18:00 < Shiroi_Neko> it was 9 over 11
2008-05-07 18:00 < TheWeasel> the Christian right had a true stranglehold
2008-05-07 18:01 < Shiroi_Neko> 9
2008-05-07 18:01 < Shiroi_Neko> 11
2008-05-07 18:01 < Shiroi_Neko> right makes right
2008-05-07 18:01 < TheWeasel> I dont know about that
2008-05-07 18:01 < TheWeasel> but
2008-05-07 18:01 < TheWeasel> let me put it this way
2008-05-07 18:02 < TheWeasel> when the South Park guys made their feature film
2008-05-07 18:02 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Not to mention that the neocons were assuring everyone that Saddam was a super-bad dude and that the "smoking gun would be a mushroom cloud".
2008-05-07 18:02 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Which one, "Team America: World Police?"
2008-05-07 18:02 < TheWeasel> the destructions of the trigger-happy rightwingers seemed cool while the Hollywood elite protesting seemed killjoy.
2008-05-07 18:02 < StayTuned> so no one here thinks we are being controlled by AI's that manipulate the credit system?
2008-05-07 18:02 < TheWeasel> Yes.
2008-05-07 18:03 < TheWeasel> it was a "fuck you, bombing looks cool and therefore is fun" atmosphere
2008-05-07 18:03 < quanticle> StayTuned: Wait, what?
2008-05-07 18:03 < StayTuned> yes I said it
2008-05-07 18:03 < Shiroi_Neko> StayTuned like in ghost in the shell?
2008-05-07 18:03 < StayTuned> AI's manipulating the credit system
2008-05-07 18:03 < Shiroi_Neko> sure
2008-05-07 18:03 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Yeah, but Team America was satire wasn't it? I thought they were making fun of the neocons.
2008-05-07 18:03 < TheWeasel> Maybe I'm a partisan hack
2008-05-07 18:03 < AngryParsley> team america was total satire. they were making fun of the US government and hollywood
2008-05-07 18:04 < TheWeasel> but I thought their depiction of the pro-war faction was very sympathetic
2008-05-07 18:04 < StayTuned> its possible - think about it - how many machines do you talk to every time you pick up the phone
2008-05-07 18:04 < TheWeasel> "badass"
2008-05-07 18:04 < AngryParsley> TheWeasel: uhh.... did the song "America, fuck yeah" not tip you off?
2008-05-07 18:04 < AngryParsley> the lyrics support slavery
2008-05-07 18:04 < quanticle> StayTuned: Nope. The last time AI (or something like it) influenced a major financial market was in the '80s when automated trading systems damn near crashed the NYSE.
2008-05-07 18:04 < AngryParsley> among other american pasttimes
2008-05-07 18:04 < Shiroi_Neko> StayTuned I dont use phones
2008-05-07 18:04 < TheWeasel> it's not what the movie tried to achieve
2008-05-07 18:05 < TheWeasel> it's what it achieved with me
2008-05-07 18:05 < StayTuned> AI's walk like the razor now man
2008-05-07 18:05 < TheWeasel> and that's "destruction is fun, Michael Moore is a suicide bomber"
2008-05-07 18:05 < Demi> satire isn't necessarily taken as intended, viz. Starship Troopers
2008-05-07 18:05 < StayTuned> we are ready for a massive realignment
2008-05-07 18:05 < Shiroi_Neko> Achmed
2008-05-07 18:05 * TheWeasel hates Michael Moore, but that's basically the level of discourse
2008-05-07 18:06 < StayTuned> get ready for the rich in america to get a lot richer and the poor to get a lot poorer.
2008-05-07 18:06 < AngryParsley> TheWeasel: the south park guys have a personal vendetta against moore. he put the interview with them in bowling for columbine right before an animation that looked a lot like south park's style
2008-05-07 18:06 < StayTuned> the banks are coming to America and the Cars are going to China
2008-05-07 18:06 < TheWeasel> oh, I read that in Wikipedia actually
2008-05-07 18:06 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-05-07 18:06 < Shiroi_Neko> StayTuned technicaly the poor isnt getting poorer
2008-05-07 18:06 < quanticle> Demi: I still don't get why Starship Troopers was such a controversial book. I own my own copy, and I've reread it oh... about 5 times by now. I don't agree with all of what Heinlein says, but I still don't see how the book is especially controversial.
2008-05-07 18:06 < Demi> yes, and then they missed the point of Bowling for Columbine badly
2008-05-07 18:06 < Shiroi_Neko> the minimum wage did not decrease
2008-05-07 18:06 < quanticle> Demi: Am I missing some historical context?
2008-05-07 18:06 < Demi> quanticle - i'm talking about the movie
2008-05-07 18:06 < StayTuned> Technically the poor are getting poorer
2008-05-07 18:06 < Shiroi_Neko> no
2008-05-07 18:07 < Heartwork> South park satirizes everything, though.
2008-05-07 18:07 < Shiroi_Neko> they are actualy getting poorer
2008-05-07 18:07 < quanticle> Demi: I never saw the movie...
2008-05-07 18:07 < StayTuned> the minimum wage will not keep pace with the price of oil
2008-05-07 18:07 * TheWeasel sees a lot more satire in Life of Brian than anyone I've met
2008-05-07 18:07 < TheWeasel> it's odd
2008-05-07 18:07 < Shiroi_Neko> StayTuned it stays where it is
2008-05-07 18:07 < TheWeasel> mostly of Palestinian organizations of the 1970s
2008-05-07 18:07 < Shiroi_Neko> everything else becomes more expensive
2008-05-07 18:07 < StayTuned> the price of oil is on a one way ticket to the moon
2008-05-07 18:07 < AngryParsley> StayTuned: the world economy always recovers
2008-05-07 18:07 < Demi> the movie is intended as a satire of jingoism and the glorification of war in movies, but mostly people (who like it) like it because it seems like a kick-ass action movie. Boo-ya!
2008-05-07 18:07 < Shiroi_Neko> StayTuned I dont think so
2008-05-07 18:08 < StayTuned> America will control the banking sector and sell cars to China
2008-05-07 18:08 < StayTuned> every Chinese person will have a cadillac
2008-05-07 18:08 < quanticle> StayTuned: Not so. Eventually oil will become expensive enough to trigger a worldwide economic collapse. At that point, production will stop, transportation will stop, and the price of oil will settle.
2008-05-07 18:08 < StayTuned> and America will have no roads
2008-05-07 18:08 < Aqwis> wee, peak oil
2008-05-07 18:08 < AngryParsley> yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about
2008-05-07 18:09 < StayTuned> I took economics - the Credit is always on the other side of the register from the product.
2008-05-07 18:09 < quanticle> Aqwis: Wheee! The fun part of the roller coaster ride is about to begin!
2008-05-07 18:09 < StayTuned> In this case - American Banks - Chinese Cars
2008-05-07 18:09 < Aqwis> yes, <some proverb about living in interesting times>
2008-05-07 18:09 < quanticle> StayTuned: Not so. Nothing saying the Chinese cars have to be financed with American capital.
2008-05-07 18:10 < Aqwis> that would be a nice song title, stayTuned
2008-05-07 18:10 < StayTuned> Ever hear of "Bank of America?"
2008-05-07 18:10 < StayTuned> They are hiring in MASSIVE numbers customer service agents
2008-05-07 18:11 < StayTuned> Wells Fargo is issuing Home Loans in a dry market
2008-05-07 18:11 < StayTuned> this is big business
2008-05-07 18:11 < StayTuned> this isn't some piddling around in the mid east
2008-05-07 18:11 < StayTuned> we are going to end up staying there for YEARS with or without a dem in office
2008-05-07 18:12 < quanticle> StayTuned: Europe and Asia (especially Japan and Korea) have plenty of cash that they're willing to lend out.