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2008-05-07 00:47 < kylu> I predict if there's a recount in the lake counties... that Bush will win the Democratic nomination. :)
2008-05-07 00:47 < kylu> (they use Diebold, iirc)
2008-05-07 00:48 < quanticle> '"So there's no chance she's going to drop out tonight, is there?" asked one of my companions, plaintively. The consensus of the room is no. I see this contest carrying on past June--like, June 2082. Our great-grandchildren will battle in a post-apocalyptic America desiccated by global warming and littered with the corpses of uninsured union members whose textile jobs were outsourced to Alpha Centauri.' <-- Hee hee. It sure feels that way, doe
2008-05-07 00:48 < kenlyric> you mean JFK will win
2008-05-07 00:48 < Warpath> Brandt Hi, I know where you live !! :DDD
2008-05-07 00:48 < Warpath> out me !! :DD
2008-05-07 00:51 < The359> Brandt isn't against gays
2008-05-07 00:52 < gwern> just friends of gays
2008-05-07 00:52 < leileilol> nothing wrong with that
2008-05-07 00:52 < leileilol> i'm friends with trannies
2008-05-07 00:53 < gwern> 'What you may not know is the true origin of the word. Feist comes from the Middle English fisten, which means to break wind (fist originally also meant flatus or fart). Feist is a special type of fart: the silent (and often deadly) type. Oh, and the word "fart" itself comes from another Middle English word farten or ferten, which in turn is from the Old English feortan. '
2008-05-07 00:53 < The359> as long as they're not furries
2008-05-07 00:53 < leileilol> The359, i never alliance with those
2008-05-07 00:53 < leileilol> that's where the line is drawn
2008-05-07 00:54 * gwern is saddened that the classic Wikipedia humor essay 'Friends of Gays Should Not Be Allowed To Edit' is now unknown
2008-05-07 00:54 < leileilol> i don't need to say any further, everyone knows the deal
2008-05-07 00:56 < Lycurgus> hmm, looks like Obama could possibly take IN based on the numbers
2008-05-07 00:57 < kylu> gwen: I'm aware of it, as I'm far more active on meta than enwp
2008-05-07 00:57 < Fire> Oh yeah, what about Obama?
2008-05-07 00:57 < Fire> Can he still overtake IN in voteS?
2008-05-07 00:58 < quanticle> gwern: Its gone?!
2008-05-07 00:58 < kylu> it's on meta, now
2008-05-07 00:58 < kylu> not sure if it's on enwp or not
2008-05-07 00:58 < Lycurgus> it looks that way: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#INDEMMAPprimary
2008-05-07 00:58 < gwern> it was on meta last I saw
2008-05-07 00:58 < gwern> but given what happened to BJAODN, nothing is sacred
2008-05-07 00:59 < Lycurgus> if you look at current stats in counties where substantial counting remains and project based on current percentage he could close the gap in popular vote
2008-05-07 00:59 < Krimpet> it seems like a lot of essays are split between meta and WP: space
2008-05-07 00:59 < kylu> that's en.wiki, gwern... severe amounts of stupidity occur on enwp.
2008-05-07 00:59 < kylu> we try to keep meta less so.
2008-05-07 00:59 < Krimpet> there's a lot of essays in Wikipedia: that are no more or less "meta" than the ones on Meta
2008-05-07 01:00 < quanticle> gwern: Its still on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_gays
2008-05-07 01:01 < kylu> krimpet: they should be copied, at the least, before terrible things happen
2008-05-07 01:01 < quanticle> gwern: What happened to BJAODN?
2008-05-07 01:01 < kylu> quanticle: mfd'd
2008-05-07 01:02 < quanticle> kylu: But its on meta now: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BJAODN
2008-05-07 01:02 < kylu> afraid I can't open the page at the moment. :)
2008-05-07 01:05 < quanticle> Anyway. I'm off to bed. Bye all.
2008-05-07 01:06 < Warpath> Death to #Wikipedia !!!!
2008-05-07 01:06 * Warpath misses NotaCow :(
2008-05-07 01:07 < bumm13> I'm surprised anybody does
2008-05-07 01:07 < kenlyric> where did cow go?
2008-05-07 01:07 < Warpath> dairy farm :(
2008-05-07 01:07 * Warpath doesn't know :|
2008-05-07 01:08 < bumm13> moo?
2008-05-07 01:10 < kenlyric> bah
2008-05-07 01:10 < kenlyric> 637.389 clinton, 615,370 obamarama
2008-05-07 01:11 < Warpath> Go Clinton \o/
2008-05-07 01:11 < kenlyric> lake split 55/45, a lot closer than expected
2008-05-07 01:11 < Warpath> lol obamarama XD
2008-05-07 01:12 < kenlyric> yeah, I"m sure she'll go far with the 3 more delegates
2008-05-07 01:14 < StayTuned2> moo
2008-05-07 01:16 < ijustam> clinton won union county, and indiana it seems
2008-05-07 01:17 < kenlyric> cool, i'm sure she'll ride the trainfail for another week now.
2008-05-07 01:25 < StayTuned2> LOL
2008-05-07 01:26 < gwern> ●.●
2008-05-07 01:37 < Mahlzahn> hey gwern.
2008-05-07 01:38 < Mahlzahn> gwern: check out last section at [[WT:NOR]].
2008-05-07 01:43 * Mahlzahn is easily confused. Don't mind the dragon.
2008-05-07 01:45 < kylu> ... dragon? Mahlzahn's draconic?
2008-05-07 01:48 * Cyrius reflexively pulls out his otherkin-killin gun
2008-05-07 01:48 < kylu> cy's furryphobic?
2008-05-07 01:48 < Cyrius> furryphobic, no
2008-05-07 01:48 < Cyrius> crazyphobic, yes
2008-05-07 01:49 < Cyrius> there's a difference between thinking it'd be neat to have wings and fur and big point ears
2008-05-07 01:49 < Cyrius> and thinking you _do_
2008-05-07 01:50 < Mahlzahn> kylu: I am a mighty dragon, yes. :)
2008-05-07 01:50 < Mahlzahn> but you can call me 'Mushu'. :)
2008-05-07 01:54 * Mahlzahn cracks up
2008-05-07 03:03 < faceface> hi
2008-05-07 03:03 < faceface> what is the standard way to say 'citation needed at this point'? I have seen it, but can't find it
2008-05-07 03:03 < faceface> [[As of 2008]], there are over 5,000 public and commercial '''biological databases'''... says who?
2008-05-07 03:04 < faceface> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_Databases
2008-05-07 03:04 < bumm13> {{fact}} template
2008-05-07 03:05 < Lubaf> One of my personal favorite puns I made up:
2008-05-07 03:07 < faceface> thanks bumm13 ! My first pedantic act! I feel so proud ;-)
2008-05-07 03:07 < Lubaf> "I spent most of [that mystery] chasing after that poor old fellow who lived by himself and was putting up Russian propaganda; he didn't have much to do with the case, as it turned out, so I wasted my effort chasing that Red hermit."
2008-05-07 03:07 < bumm13> no problem :)
2008-05-07 03:07 < faceface> Lubaf, who needs puns when you can have PUNCHES!
2008-05-07 03:18 < asics4381> Anyone mind listening to a wikipedia situation that I have a question about?
2008-05-07 03:18 < bumm13> fire away
2008-05-07 03:20 < asics4381> Theres an article for an organization (a Fraternity) that claims it holds the highest membership nationally. This is a rather competitive claim I think, and the only source it cites is its own fraternities web site.
2008-05-07 03:20 < asics4381> So... is that wikiworthy?
2008-05-07 03:31 < AdamBishop> hmm. Hotmail won't work for me
2008-05-07 03:31 < bumm13> hiya AdamBishop
2008-05-07 03:31 < bumm13> aww
2008-05-07 03:31 < bumm13> what browser are you using?
2008-05-07 03:32 < AdamBishop> firefox
2008-05-07 03:32 < bumm13> huh, that's weird
2008-05-07 03:33 < bumm13> works at my end
2008-05-07 03:34 < AdamBishop> yeah, I could get to it when I was at work, on Firefox
2008-05-07 03:34 < AdamBishop> weird
2008-05-07 03:34 * bumm13 has been watching old sci-fi B-movies lately
2008-05-07 03:51 < rindolf> Hi all.
2008-05-07 03:51 < rindolf> Is it possible to get an RSS feed of my watchlist?
2008-05-07 04:04 < AdamBishop> hmm, now hotmail works, just very slowly
2008-05-07 04:04 < brown_cat> works fast for me :s
2008-05-07 04:13 < The359> the PlayStation network is down :(
2008-05-07 04:14 < The359> ???
2008-05-07 04:17 < brown_cat> lol, they booed corey worthington so they were like "treat him like your son" so they all screamed and booed more xD
2008-05-07 04:18 < The359> http://kotaku.com/387885/take+two-boss-claims-gta-iv-is-glitch-free
2008-05-07 04:18 < AdamBishop> who is corey worthington?
2008-05-07 04:18 < The359> Take+Two's boss better come to my house and fix my fucking game then
2008-05-07 04:19 < bumm13> no idea
2008-05-07 04:31 < Mahlzahn> mew. Any OTRS volunteers here atm?
2008-05-07 04:32 < bumm13> =^o.o^=
2008-05-07 04:34 < Mahlzahn> is that a "yes"? :)
2008-05-07 04:34 < AdamBishop> no.
2008-05-07 04:36 < Mahlzahn> AdamBishop: do you think a publicist could send a pic directly to OTRS and someone there could upload it?
2008-05-07 04:37 < Mahlzahn> I mean, the publicist would be willing, the question is whether OTRS queue handlers do uploading
2008-05-07 04:37 < AdamBishop> I have no idea. They'd probably go crazy about copyright and not upload it at all
2008-05-07 04:37 < Mahlzahn> heh
2008-05-07 04:41 < denelson83> Riddle: What's the difference between a clown and the Federal Reserve?
2008-05-07 04:41 < AdamBishop> what?
2008-05-07 04:42 < denelson83> A clown makes funny. The Federal Reserve fakes money.
2008-05-07 04:42 < bumm13> *groan*
2008-05-07 04:42 < denelson83> Oh wait... The Federal Reserve IS packed with clowns!
2008-05-07 04:47 < AdamBishop> har har
2008-05-07 04:47 < bumm13> *<:0)
2008-05-07 05:00 < TheWeasel> Odd use of parentheses...
2008-05-07 05:00 < TheWeasel> He is a member of the United States House of Representatives from the (9th District of Pennsylvania, map).
2008-05-07 05:04 < bumm13> hiya TheWeasel
2008-05-07 05:04 < TheWeasel> hey
2008-05-07 05:10 < AdamBishop> wow, we have a lengthy article about the [[cooties]]
2008-05-07 05:20 < Doc_glasgow> moo
2008-05-07 05:20 * firemonkey93 shoots Doc_glasgow and BBQ's his juicy cow body
2008-05-07 05:32 < Mahlzahn> "How this moved to become the possession of grade school children is a mystery." <= The WP hallmark of encyclopedic knowledge
2008-05-07 05:32 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-07 05:32 * bumm13 NP: Gamera vs. Guiron (1969)
2008-05-07 05:38 * denelson83 is listening to "One Good Woman" by Peter Cetera (4:34 - 160kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-07 05:42 * Andy123 licks bumm13
2008-05-07 05:43 * denelson83 is listening to "Suzie Quatro (Ft.Chris Norman) - Stumbling In" (3:57 - 128kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-07 05:50 * denelson83 is listening to "I'm No Angel" by Greg Allman (3:44 - 318kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-07 06:37 < Messedrocker> happy morning hildanknight
2008-05-07 06:38 * Hildanknight waves to Messedrocker.
2008-05-07 06:38 < Hildanknight> It is 6.30pm in the Little Red Dot. :)
2008-05-07 06:39 < Messedrocker> are you the Red dot because you are Communist?
2008-05-07 06:40 < Hildanknight> No. We look like a little red dot on the map, hence the nickname.
2008-05-07 06:40 < Hildanknight> A former Indonesian president used the phrase to disparage us; ironically, it has become a symbol of national pride.
2008-05-07 06:41 < Messedrocker> ah yes
2008-05-07 06:41 < Messedrocker> like the black reclaimation of the word "nigger"
2008-05-07 06:42 < bumm13> ...
2008-05-07 06:42 < Messedrocker> i love being up early
2008-05-07 06:42 < Messedrocker> normally i'd be up much letter but my wii decided to glow blue
2008-05-07 06:42 < bumm13> what does that indicate?
2008-05-07 06:43 < Messedrocker> new system message
2008-05-07 06:43 < Messedrocker> or new message in general
2008-05-07 06:44 < bumm13> ah
2008-05-07 06:46 < Hildanknight> Messedrocker: Though "nigger" is still used as a racist term. I do not mind people calling my country the "Little Red Dot"; it was only disparaging in the context of that Indonesian president's speech.
2008-05-07 06:46 < Messedrocker> that is true
2008-05-07 06:48 < Liempt> I don't really think the blacks have actually reclaimed the word nigger.
2008-05-07 06:49 < Messedrocker> ooh, fun new games
2008-05-07 06:49 < Messedrocker> but this beepy tune is getting annoying really quickly
2008-05-07 06:49 < Liempt> It still carries all it's derogative meanings when said by some and it's still not socially acceptable in most communities. (Indeed, completely unrelated by similar-sounding words are unacceptable, i.e. niggarly) etc. . .
2008-05-07 06:50 < Messedrocker> indeed, "niggardly" is a word unrelated to black people
2008-05-07 06:50 < Messedrocker> it means "stingy"
2008-05-07 06:50 < bumm13> *niggardly
2008-05-07 06:50 < Liempt> Oops.
2008-05-07 06:50 < Liempt> My typo.
2008-05-07 06:56 < Gambit> O_O
2008-05-07 07:01 < Messedrocker> heh
2008-05-07 07:01 < Messedrocker> in Canada, Dell will be distributing Wii Fit
2008-05-07 07:03 < Messedrocker> is Dell of Canada that desperate that they have to distribute video games made by entirely different companies now?
2008-05-07 07:33 * Mm40 wishes he was admin
2008-05-07 07:34 < Werdna> why?
2008-05-07 07:34 < Werdna> you don't want to be an admin :P
2008-05-07 07:34 < Mm40> Are there any nice 'Crats here?
2008-05-07 07:34 < SynergeticMag> i second that
2008-05-07 07:34 < Mm40> =)
2008-05-07 07:34 < SynergeticMag> i dont think many crats come in here
2008-05-07 07:34 < SynergeticMag> Kingturtle is the only one i know of that does
2008-05-07 07:35 < Mm40> 'cept *I* wanna be admin and then 'crat
2008-05-07 07:35 < SynergeticMag> Mm40: good luck
2008-05-07 07:35 < Mm40> Thank you
2008-05-07 07:36 < SynergeticMag> i've seen the best get shot down
2008-05-07 07:36 < SynergeticMag> and the current RfB isn't going that great
2008-05-07 07:37 < Mm40> admin first
2008-05-07 07:37 * pengo jumps three pieces. crat me.
2008-05-07 07:37 < Mm40> I've been on fo 6 months
2008-05-07 07:38 < Mm40> *for
2008-05-07 07:38 < SynergeticMag> Mm40: then read every RfA and RfB from 2005 til now
2008-05-07 07:38 < SynergeticMag> study, and it shall come
2008-05-07 07:38 < Mm40> kk?
2008-05-07 07:46 < SynergeticMag> i just got done going neutral on someone elses RfA
2008-05-07 07:51 < piksi> hmm
2008-05-07 07:51 < piksi> if i want to add a note to an article that a source reference is needed for some sentence should i just add {{fact}} or some other template?
2008-05-07 07:51 < piksi> "citation needed" sounds like it would imply needing to add a piece of text to its place and not a link to a reference
2008-05-07 07:54 < arcimboldo_> I think it is still the right template.
2008-05-07 07:57 < brown_cat> hey Sfan00
2008-05-07 07:57 < brown_cat> just back from careers nigt :D
2008-05-07 07:58 < yao_ziyuan> A language's technical learnability is determined by its regularity and its vocabulary's formation: are its words formed by reused components or from scratch? The most ideal case is like our number system, which only has 10 basic words and a very regular "syntax" -- the decimal system; the worst case is like a number system which uses a 100-digit random integer to represent "1", another 100-digit random integer to represent "2", and so on. To repre
2008-05-07 07:59 < piksi> yao_ziyuan: remember, there's a top limit for one irc message in length
2008-05-07 07:59 < brown_cat> pengo: i have a year's supply of stationary :p
2008-05-07 08:00 < yao_ziyuan> piksi: you got a broken message?
2008-05-07 08:01 < pengo> brown_cat: paper?
2008-05-07 08:01 < yao_ziyuan> piksi: or are you talking about the legal length limit rather than the technical limit? :)
2008-05-07 08:01 < brown_cat> pengo: notepads, like 6 xD
2008-05-07 08:01 < pengo> brown_cat: i see.
2008-05-07 08:01 < brown_cat> my bad, 4
2008-05-07 08:02 * brown_cat has soo many prospectives
2008-05-07 08:06 < pengo> brown_cat: well just make sure you get recycled copy paper
2008-05-07 08:07 < pengo> 100% post consumer
2008-05-07 08:07 < brown_cat> lol, I can;t sorry :(
2008-05-07 08:08 < brown_cat> recycled paper costs around 3 cents more - I could use those 3 cents to power a few 3000 mw ac's
2008-05-07 08:08 < brown_cat> xD
2008-05-07 08:10 < Sfan00> yao_ziyuan: have you seen the Sigsumedsi pages?
2008-05-07 08:11 < Sfan00> It's number system is relativly simple (albiet base 16 :) )
2008-05-07 08:15 < Sfan00> and I think only uses eight word phrases..
2008-05-07 08:16 < Sfan00> id = 1 nul=0 bi=2 tet=4 oct=8 hex=Ox10
2008-05-07 08:16 < Sfan00> it is used as 'digit' seperator...
2008-05-07 08:18 < Sfan00> hence numbers are formed as a binary pattern
2008-05-07 08:19 < Sfan00> with the Most signifcant parts first. Hence hex it oct =Ox18
2008-05-07 08:38 < libertad> Paintman, Are u here?
2008-05-07 09:07 < Werdna> 10:38 <@Werdnabot> edit on #en.wikipedia: [[Wizardry IV: The Return of Werdna]] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wizardry_IV:_The_Return_of_Werdna&diff=210778081&oldid=203589537 * 68.35.134.184 * (+777)
2008-05-07 09:07 < Werdna> lol.
2008-05-07 09:45 < Colds7ream> Hey everybody - anyone else having trouble accessing the wiki, or is it just by uni's firewall playing up again?
2008-05-07 09:45 < Colds7ream> *my
2008-05-07 10:21 < BLPSlave> Lesson for the day
2008-05-07 10:21 < BLPSlave> Report a BLP violation and you'll get blocked for it
2008-05-07 10:21 < BLPSlave> Point out the irony of reporting a BLP and get blocked, and you'll get blocked and talkpage locked by abusive fuck Daniel Case
2008-05-07 10:21 < BLPSlave> shittypedia at its abusive finest
2008-05-07 10:22 < BLPSlave> no wonder you people have so many fucking problems, you attack people even when they do you a favor and clean off libel
2008-05-07 10:24 < Gambit> i bet that was a friend :P
2008-05-07 10:24 < Gambit> hi BLPSlave :)
2008-05-07 10:25 < BLPSlave> lmao - "friend" no way no more... tell someone [[WP:BLP]] is non-negotiable when they're trying to push in libel against a politician and get blocked by an abusive dickwad
2008-05-07 10:25 < BLPSlave> No fucking way I ever help shittypedia again after that treatment
2008-05-07 10:25 * Gambit hates the texans ;)
2008-05-07 10:29 < Kamping_Kaiser> lols
2008-05-07 10:32 < Rinn> Never seen "shittypedia" before.
2008-05-07 10:32 < Flo_1> btw. what does "BLP" stand for?
2008-05-07 10:32 < Gambit> Biography of dead people
2008-05-07 10:32 < Gambit> ahh Living *
2008-05-07 10:33 < Rinn> I know, I always mix up "living" and "dead."
2008-05-07 10:33 < Gambit> yeah
2008-05-07 10:33 < Gambit> ouch he is attacking me on PM :S
2008-05-07 10:34 < Rinn> You should've expected that.
2008-05-07 10:34 * Gambit nods ;)
2008-05-07 10:59 < ThanIndigo> rewired:
2008-05-07 11:04 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-05-07 11:17 < Rinn> I'm Rinn.
2008-05-07 11:32 < kiris> hi, does anyone know if it's possible to view the raw wiki source of an article as one file? (ie instead of clicking edit)
2008-05-07 11:32 < bumm13> not that I know of
2008-05-07 11:34 < kiris> hm. I'll check the Wikipedia API, forgot about that
2008-05-07 11:39 < kiris> got it! api.php?action=expandtemplates&text={{Project:Sandbox}}
2008-05-07 11:39 < kiris> cool stuff
2008-05-07 11:43 < theman> hello there
2008-05-07 11:43 < theman> hi
2008-05-07 11:44 < theman> hi
2008-05-07 11:44 < Fire> hi
2008-05-07 11:44 < theman> whoops
2008-05-07 11:44 < theman> bitta lag
2008-05-07 11:44 < theman> what's going on?
2008-05-07 11:45 < quanticle> Heh. Mindterm Java SSH FTW.
2008-05-07 11:48 < Rinn> I read that as "SEXmacs."
2008-05-07 11:48 < Rinn> With the tagline "the best a geek can get," it seemed fitting.
2008-05-07 11:51 < quanticle> Heh. C-x M-x sex?
2008-05-07 11:56 < quanticle> Heh. GMT 1400 - GMT 1800 == sleepytime for #wikipedia
2008-05-07 12:02 < Sponge> BLERK!
2008-05-07 12:02 < quanticle> BLERK!
2008-05-07 12:02 < quanticle> Hiya, Sponge!
2008-05-07 12:02 < Sponge> allo
2008-05-07 12:03 < quanticle> Heh. Monobi's allowed back in, I see.
2008-05-07 12:04 < quanticle> Anyway
2008-05-07 12:04 * quanticle out
2008-05-07 12:30 < Voretus> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Arcimboldovertemnus.jpeg this painting rules
2008-05-07 12:56 < dsfargeg> is Wiki down?
2008-05-07 12:56 < dsfargeg> I can't acess it all
2008-05-07 12:56 < dsfargeg> at all
2008-05-07 12:58 < atomicpotato> dsfargeg, o.O you were banned?
2008-05-07 12:59 < dsfargeg> nope
2008-05-07 13:00 < dsfargeg> says ping timeout
2008-05-07 13:06 < Working_Cat> sup
2008-05-07 13:07 < Invisible_Cat> not much
2008-05-07 13:07 < Invisible_Cat> you?
2008-05-07 13:08 * Working_Cat wonders where the voices are coming from
2008-05-07 13:08 < Working_Cat> maybe they are from inside his head
2008-05-07 13:08 < Working_Cat> telling him to keep you
2008-05-07 13:08 < Working_Cat> anyways, nothing much
2008-05-07 13:08 < Working_Cat> who else is getting the "stimulus package"?
2008-05-07 13:12 < Working_Cat> PEOPLE
2008-05-07 13:12 < Working_Cat> WHERE IS LOUD_CAT
2008-05-07 13:13 < Invisible_Cat> dunno
2008-05-07 13:13 < Invisible_Cat> but i am too invisible
2008-05-07 13:13 < Working_Cat> heh.
2008-05-07 13:13 * Working_Cat tries to pet Invisible_Cat ... ends up petting thin air.
2008-05-07 13:14 < Working_Cat> we must be on Mt Everest
2008-05-07 13:14 < Invisible_Cat> yup
2008-05-07 13:14 < Invisible_Cat> yay
2008-05-07 13:14 < Invisible_Cat> threats to me
2008-05-07 13:14 < Invisible_Cat> :D
2008-05-07 13:18 < Working_Cat> threats to you? why? cuz ure canadian?
2008-05-07 13:19 < Invisible_Cat> more of a insult to me
2008-05-07 13:19 < Invisible_Cat> it's in a unblock request
2008-05-07 13:19 < Invisible_Cat> Request reason: "You think your fuckin slick, eh? I'll be back you can bet your ass I'll be back Creamy, and Cluebot, and all you jizz eating mother fuckers."
2008-05-07 13:20 < Working_Cat> eww
2008-05-07 13:20 < Invisible_Cat> Decline reason: "Come get some. � Jayron32.talk.contribs
2008-05-07 13:20 < Working_Cat> extend the block
2008-05-07 13:20 < Invisible_Cat> <== not a admin
2008-05-07 13:20 < Working_Cat> me counts... Thehelpfulone2 Three 4 Five
2008-05-07 13:21 < Thehelpfulone2> hm?
2008-05-07 13:21 < Working_Cat> then how do you get an unblock request
2008-05-07 13:21 < Working_Cat> Thehelpfulone2: sup!
2008-05-07 13:22 < Thehelpfulone2> Working_Cat: hm :D
2008-05-07 13:22 < Thehelpfulone2> nm*
2008-05-07 13:22 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-05-07 13:22 < Working_Cat> btw, i lolled: http://xkcd.com/
2008-05-07 13:22 * Working_Cat is still snickering at that
2008-05-07 13:25 < kenlyric> earthquake?
2008-05-07 13:26 < Working_Cat> http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1012
2008-05-07 13:27 < Working_Cat> wimmm
2008-05-07 13:27 < Working_Cat> t
2008-05-07 13:39 < Asenine> anyone getting a 'wikipedia has a problem' on en?
2008-05-07 13:39 < chzz> is it bri
2008-05-07 13:39 < Invisible_Cat> Yep
2008-05-07 13:39 < chzz> broke?
2008-05-07 13:39 < Asenine> looks like the mysql is down
2008-05-07 13:40 < Asenine> obviously not just a minor problem, it would be up by now if it was
2008-05-07 13:40 < GaryKing> Someone should probably change the topic to Down?
2008-05-07 13:40 < Asenine> yeah
2008-05-07 13:40 < Asenine> Status: Down
2008-05-07 13:41 < GaryKing> Finally, addiction relieved
2008-05-07 13:41 < Asenine> haha, me too garyt
2008-05-07 13:41 < Asenine> *gary
2008-05-07 13:41 * chzz considers writing a current article on the famous 2008 wikipedia failure...ah...
2008-05-07 13:41 < Invisible_Cat> someone op
2008-05-07 13:41 * Rastrojo se quema a lo bonzo
2008-05-07 13:41 < Asenine> chzz - it happens occasionally
2008-05-07 13:41 < Asenine> stuff like this, usually it's maint though
2008-05-07 13:41 < Gazimoff> ur load balancer, it has a flavr
2008-05-07 13:42 < GaryKing> back up
2008-05-07 13:42 < GaryKing> all is well
2008-05-07 13:42 < Asenine> it looks like it wasn't maintenance because if it was they would probably just undo the settings change
2008-05-07 13:42 < GaryKing> ... and addiction is back
2008-05-07 13:42 < Asenine> it's back
2008-05-07 13:42 < Asenine> now back to creating album articles
2008-05-07 13:42 < Asenine> ;_;
2008-05-07 13:42 < GaryKing> Anyone got time to review a horror film GAN?
2008-05-07 13:42 < Asenine> sure
2008-05-07 13:43 < Asenine> link?
2008-05-07 13:43 < Invisible_Cat> All up!
2008-05-07 13:43 < GaryKing> Asenine, et al: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_(franchise)
2008-05-07 13:43 < Asenine> well, needs images quite clearly
2008-05-07 13:44 < tepples> Halloween, which has nothing to do with Austin Powers or Shrek, I'm assuming
2008-05-07 13:44 < Asenine> after i am finished with the album infobox and crap i am working on, i will search around for some images
2008-05-07 13:44 < GaryKing> Asenine: images of what? can't use fair use images
2008-05-07 13:44 < Asenine> why not?
2008-05-07 13:44 < GaryKing> since the fair use are already in teh film articles
2008-05-07 13:44 < GaryKing> I suppose we 'could'
2008-05-07 13:44 < Asenine> you can multi fair use
2008-05-07 13:44 < Asenine> for multiple articles
2008-05-07 13:44 < tepples> an image can have more than one {{Non-free use rationale}} in it
2008-05-07 13:44 < GaryKing> I suppose; I'd prefer commons images tho
2008-05-07 13:44 < GaryKing> like for development section
2008-05-07 13:44 < Asenine> exactly tepple
2008-05-07 13:44 < Asenine> s
2008-05-07 13:45 < Asenine> jesus christ, whoever referenced that article is a goddamn terminator
2008-05-07 13:45 < tepples> is it possible to make a box that stays hidden for decades until the current date surpasses a given threshold?
2008-05-07 13:45 < Asenine> for what, tepples?i
2008-05-07 13:45 < tepples> for Sonny Bono
2008-05-07 13:45 < Asenine> i presume it would be possible via syntax
2008-05-07 13:46 < GaryKing> Asenine: terminator, why?
2008-05-07 13:46 < Asenine> what is it you need it for though
2008-05-07 13:46 < Asenine> very good sourcing
2008-05-07 13:46 < tepples> so that non-free images can automatically be added on January 1 of the year in which they become free
2008-05-07 13:46 < GaryKing> one of my weaker articles
2008-05-07 13:46 < Asenine> ah, i see what you mean tepples
2008-05-07 13:46 < Asenine> that could quite easily be achieved via syntax
2008-05-07 13:47 < GaryKing> Asenine: my fac that passed yesterday is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty_4:_Modern_Warfare and current FAC is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook :p pretty well reffed
2008-05-07 13:47 < Asenine> like {{whatever|date to change|first template|second template}}?
2008-05-07 13:47 < Asenine> tepples, that is a bloody brilliant idea esp. for 70 years after death
2008-05-07 13:48 < Asenine> editing wikipedia and listening to drone, this is the life
2008-05-07 13:48 < tepples> Or an optional "expiry" argument in the master FUR template could be used to automatically switch an image to PD-old once the calendar catches up
2008-05-07 13:49 < Asenine> i have thought of a flaw
2008-05-07 13:49 < Gazimoff> down again
2008-05-07 13:49 < Asenine> pedia is down
2008-05-07 13:49 < tepples> Because often, when I write the "Replaceability" argument of a rationale, I put "No. Free images are not notable, and notable images are not free until 20xx."
2008-05-07 13:49 < Asenine> jimbo decided to crash it into a tree
2008-05-07 13:50 < Asenine> 'Can't contact the database server: Unknown error (10.0.0.101)' it was mysql before, must be maintenance
2008-05-07 13:50 < Asenine> because it is a different error.
2008-05-07 13:50 < Asenine> or at least, they are doing something.
2008-05-07 13:51 < chzz> I had that error when it was 1st down
2008-05-07 13:51 < Asenine> i got 'can't connect to mysql'
2008-05-07 13:51 < geniice> wikidown?
2008-05-07 13:51 < Asenine> yes
2008-05-07 13:51 < Asenine> twice in 5 mins
2008-05-07 13:52 < MindstormsKid> i just got an error, too...
2008-05-07 13:52 < Asenine> tepples, are you by any chance Damian Yerrick?
2008-05-07 13:52 < tepples> yes
2008-05-07 13:52 < tepples> I'd note the fact on my UP but wikipedia is DOWN
2008-05-07 13:52 < Andy123> WEE-KEE-PEE-DEE-UH down?
2008-05-07 13:53 < Dendodge> yes
2008-05-07 13:53 < Asenine> indeed it is
2008-05-07 13:53 < Asenine> for the second time
2008-05-07 13:53 < MindstormsKid> :(
2008-05-07 13:53 < Asenine> in 5 mins
2008-05-07 13:53 < Andy123> :(
2008-05-07 13:54 < tepples> Asenine: how did you figure that one out?
2008-05-07 13:54 < MindstormsKid> wimt, hear?
2008-05-07 13:54 < kingturtle> gmorning
2008-05-07 13:54 < wimt> Mmm
2008-05-07 13:55 < Spang> "Wikipedia has a problem" - You guys just noticed?
2008-05-07 13:55 < Grokon> yeah
2008-05-07 13:55 < Grokon> all is down
2008-05-07 13:55 < Grokon> wikinews too
2008-05-07 13:55 < Grokon> what's happend ?
2008-05-07 13:55 < tepples> uncyclo isn't
2008-05-07 13:55 < Spang> I knew that a couple of years ago :)
2008-05-07 13:56 < Asenine> it happened about 5 mins ago
2008-05-07 13:56 < Grokon> it's loong
2008-05-07 13:56 < Asenine> and then there was another about 9 mins ago
2008-05-07 13:56 < tepples> longer than longcat?
2008-05-07 13:56 < Zouavman> Greetings, peeps.
2008-05-07 13:56 < Grokon> help !
2008-05-07 13:56 < Asenine> longcat si tacgnol
2008-05-07 13:56 < Grokon> my wikipedophilism il explosing !
2008-05-07 13:56 < Zouavman> The bug is present on the French servers as well.
2008-05-07 13:56 < Grokon> *is explosing
2008-05-07 13:56 < Asenine> it wasn't a bit ago
2008-05-07 13:56 < Grokon> no
2008-05-07 13:56 < Grokon> strange...
2008-05-07 13:56 < Asenine> i checked french and german and they wored fine a bit ago
2008-05-07 13:56 < Asenine> *worked
2008-05-07 13:57 < Grokon> wikinews - fr OK
2008-05-07 13:57 < Asenine> it's just timing out now
2008-05-07 13:57 < Zouavman> Asenine : I'm still trying fr.wp, it's not working.
2008-05-07 13:57 < Grokon> Wikipedia FR : DOWN
2008-05-07 13:57 < Asenine> not getting 'has a problem', getting a full timeout
2008-05-07 13:57 < Grokon> Timeout ?
2008-05-07 13:58 < Grokon> they didn't pay the electricity bill ?
2008-05-07 13:58 < Zouavman> :D
2008-05-07 13:58 < wimt> It's mostly up. Just a very localised issue with a single server which is being fixed.
2008-05-07 13:58 < Grokon> or the internet bill
2008-05-07 13:58 < Grokon> or twice :-D
2008-05-07 13:58 < Asenine> jimbo crashed the car again
2008-05-07 13:59 < Asenine> i love to incinuate that jimbo is still the frontman for wikipedia
2008-05-07 13:59 < Zouavman> wimt : do you know what the source of the problem is (or what it could be) ?
2008-05-07 13:59 < Asenine> server down
2008-05-07 13:59 < haza-w> wimt: #wikimedia-tech
2008-05-07 13:59 < wimt> Zouavman, yeah one server is overloaded.
2008-05-07 13:59 < Asenine> it was mysql before
2008-05-07 13:59 < sasquatch> longcat broke wikiz, i is sad
2008-05-07 13:59 < Asenine> mysql went down first
2008-05-07 13:59 < haza-w> wimt: actually, one of Brion's upgrades just went kerplunk.
2008-05-07 13:59 < Asenine> and then it went back up, and then the server went down
2008-05-07 13:59 < wimt> haza-w, no, he's fixing it.
2008-05-07 14:00 < Grokon> please take a ticket and wait your turn for the server
2008-05-07 14:00 < Zouavman> Okay everyone, break your piggybanks, the Foundation needs some help ;)
2008-05-07 14:00 < Grokon> Zouavman: grilled ;-)
2008-05-07 14:00 < haza-w> Well, he can bloody hurry up... we're waiting!
2008-05-07 14:00 < wimt> The dodgy change was long since reverted.
2008-05-07 14:00 * haza-w punches the wall in wiki-less frustration
2008-05-07 14:00 < sasquatch> jimbo needs another car?
2008-05-07 14:00 * Dendodge 's piggybank has a cork so he doesn't have to break it
2008-05-07 14:00 < Asenine> i really want to make many too many jokes about jimbo now
2008-05-07 14:00 < Asenine> 'jimbo played server darts'
2008-05-07 14:00 * Zouavman steals Dendodge's piggybank.
2008-05-07 14:01 < Zouavman> I'll make good use of it, don't worry! ;)
2008-05-07 14:01 * Dendodge activates self destruct
2008-05-07 14:01 < Dendodge> BOOM!
2008-05-07 14:01 < Asenine> dendodge, you're not the only one
2008-05-07 14:02 < Zouavman> I wonder which newspaper or blog is going to be the first one to take that scoop ^^
2008-05-07 14:02 < Asenine> back
2008-05-07 14:02 < Asenine> wikipedia is back online
2008-05-07 14:02 < Asenine> at least en
2008-05-07 14:02 < sasquatch> yea
2008-05-07 14:02 < Zouavman> \o/
2008-05-07 14:02 < sasquatch> brion just fixed it
2008-05-07 14:02 < Garfieldairlines> WP:FR ON
2008-05-07 14:02 < Asenine> all servers go
2008-05-07 14:02 < Garfieldairlines> OK SUPER
2008-05-07 14:02 < Zouavman> fr.wp seems to work now as well. :)
2008-05-07 14:03 < tepples> Wiki Up - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigwam
2008-05-07 14:03 * Asenine thinks 'i cannot imagine how we survived this downtime. what brave troops'
2008-05-07 14:03 < geniice> "Apache on srv172 is OK: OK - HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently - 0.063 second response time!" I'm guess thats good
2008-05-07 14:03 < Asenine> yup all is good
2008-05-07 14:03 < haza-w> Asenine: No kidding...
2008-05-07 14:04 * Zouavman hugs all his fellow wikipediholics
2008-05-07 14:04 < haza-w> geni: Let the techies take care of the response codes. Here in #wikipedia, we can uncork the champagne!
2008-05-07 14:04 * Asenine grabs a bottle
2008-05-07 14:04 * Asenine lets loose with the bubbly
2008-05-07 14:04 < haza-w> That must be a record... those 5 minutes were entirely vandalism-free...
2008-05-07 14:04 < sasquatch> they moved it permanetly! :-O but how will we find it now?
2008-05-07 14:04 < Asenine> hahaha i lol'd
2008-05-07 14:04 < Asenine> haza
2008-05-07 14:04 < sasquatch> haza-w: nah, the servers have been down longer than that
2008-05-07 14:05 < Asenine> sasquatch - they went down twice
2008-05-07 14:05 < Asenine> there was a gap inbetween
2008-05-07 14:05 < haza-w> sasquatch: It was dry humour, give me a break!
2008-05-07 14:05 < sasquatch> yea, i noticed
2008-05-07 14:05 < Garfieldairlines> yeahh
2008-05-07 14:05 < sasquatch> haha
2008-05-07 14:05 < sasquatch> haza-w: break? never.
2008-05-07 14:05 < Asenine> kitkat?
2008-05-07 14:05 < Cyrius> sasquatch: I'm slow on the draw today, was going to make that joke
2008-05-07 14:06 < Zouavman> Okay, now that Wikipedia is back on its three feet
2008-05-07 14:06 < Asenine> i shouldn't laugh, but there is some funny subtle vandalism about
2008-05-07 14:06 < Zouavman> Any cinema enthusiasts in the room?
2008-05-07 14:06 < Asenine> enthusiastic, yes, but not professional
2008-05-07 14:06 < Zouavman> Asenine : great :p
2008-05-07 14:06 < Zouavman> Actually, there are three criteria for this call...
2008-05-07 14:07 < Zouavman> Cinema enthusiast, good knowledge of French language, and will to translate for a great FA ^^
2008-05-07 14:07 < Asenine> zouav, you might want to transclude your userpage on EN
2008-05-07 14:08 < haza-w> Zouavman: Try me.
2008-05-07 14:08 < Asenine> i have an intermediate grasp of french but no account over on fr
2008-05-07 14:08 < Zouavman> haza-w : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cin%C3%A9ma < is an excellent article that is begging you to be translated into english ;)
2008-05-07 14:08 < haza-w> Actually, might be beyond my grasp of the language.
2008-05-07 14:08 < Zouavman> Equivalent of [[Film]]
2008-05-07 14:08 < Zouavman> Asenine : I do have an account on EN
2008-05-07 14:09 < Asenine> that's not what i meant
2008-05-07 14:09 < haza-w> Asenine: I have an account on frwiki, and am probably fr-3... haven't lived in France to a long time, though.
2008-05-07 14:09 < haza-w> Zouavman: Where would it be translated to?
2008-05-07 14:09 < Garfieldairlines> en wikipedia, i've a sleeping account
2008-05-07 14:09 < Asenine> i meant you might want to make certain sections into templates
2008-05-07 14:09 < Mahlzahn> Zouavman: why does it have a broken GA star if its so good?
2008-05-07 14:09 < Zouavman> haza-w : [[Film]]. ;)
2008-05-07 14:09 < Garfieldairlines> film ?
2008-05-07 14:09 < Zouavman> Mahlzahn : we use it for FA candidates ;)
2008-05-07 14:10 < Zouavman> Mahlzahn : click on the star you will be on the voting page
2008-05-07 14:10 < Garfieldairlines> les vandales redébarquent
2008-05-07 14:10 < haza-w> Zouavman: Ouais, mais on y a un article déjà!
2008-05-07 14:10 < Zouavman> Asenine : is the source code *that* crowded? ;)
2008-05-07 14:10 < Garfieldairlines> what was it ?
2008-05-07 14:10 < Zouavman> haza-w : but it's only assessed B
2008-05-07 14:11 < Zouavman> haza-w : with that translation, it'll make yet another great FA on EN :)
2008-05-07 14:11 < Garfieldairlines> who knok what exactely happend on the servers ?
2008-05-07 14:11 < The359> Direct translations never come out well
2008-05-07 14:11 < Zouavman> haza-w : I'm translating [[Punk rock]], which is an excellent FA into French for a great FR FA. Just giving you hints on where to find our great FA's ^^
2008-05-07 14:11 < Garfieldairlines> google traductor ? :-p
2008-05-07 14:12 < Zouavman> The359 : That's why you get it re-read and proofed by other editors ;)
2008-05-07 14:13 < Zouavman> haza-w : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton could probably make it as a GA in EN if it was translated.
2008-05-07 14:14 < Asenine> yeah
2008-05-07 14:15 < Asenine> can anyone think of anything i can add here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruin_The_Memory
2008-05-07 14:15 < Asenine> ?
2008-05-07 14:16 < Mahlzahn> yes, an Afd notice.
2008-05-07 14:16 < Garfieldairlines> Mahlzahn: Afd ?
2008-05-07 14:16 < Mahlzahn> explaining it would destroy the joke.
2008-05-07 14:17 < Asenine> explain, please.
2008-05-07 14:17 < tepples> AFD == articles for deletion.
2008-05-07 14:18 * Mahlzahn was just kidding of course.
2008-05-07 14:18 < geniice> Asenine something that can atualy be cited
2008-05-07 14:18 < geniice> Asenine like a review of the album
2008-05-07 14:18 < tepples> The first thing you should add to that article is evidence that it meets the notability guideline for music topics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSIC
2008-05-07 14:18 * Zouavman must have one of the shittiest connections ever
2008-05-07 14:18 < Garfieldairlines> Zouavman: un problème avec internet, je suppose ?
2008-05-07 14:18 < geniice> Asenine someone commenting on the conver art
2008-05-07 14:18 < Asenine> tepples - the artist does
2008-05-07 14:19 < Zouavman> tepples : An album by a notable artist
2008-05-07 14:19 < Garfieldairlines> Zouavman: yeah, j'ai deviné
2008-05-07 14:19 < Garfieldairlines> euh...
2008-05-07 14:19 < Zouavman> Asenine : you're a metal fan? ;)
2008-05-07 14:19 < tepples> notability != inherited
2008-05-07 14:19 < Demi> the government is sending me money again
2008-05-07 14:19 < Mahlzahn> Asenine: see [[WP:NOTABILITY]]
2008-05-07 14:19 < Zouavman> Demi : mind to share? ;)
2008-05-07 14:19 < Demi> an economic stimulus tax rebate thing
2008-05-07 14:20 < Mahlzahn> eh, say what?
2008-05-07 14:20 < geniice> I prefer it when my goverment sends me threats
2008-05-07 14:20 < tepples> Asenine, Zouavman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ITSA
2008-05-07 14:20 < Demi> you prefer threats to money?
2008-05-07 14:21 < tepples> Demi: are you talking about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008
2008-05-07 14:21 < Mahlzahn> aaah. a bribe from your congressman.
2008-05-07 14:21 < Demi> http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=177937,00.html
2008-05-07 14:21 < Asenine> tepples, the notability guidelines override that
2008-05-07 14:22 < Asenine> on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSIC#Albums
2008-05-07 14:22 < cimon> Not one, but two idiots who dont get what wikipedia is about...
2008-05-07 14:22 < Demi> isn't everyone just going to go spend that on chinese dvd players?
2008-05-07 14:22 < Asenine> "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia."
2008-05-07 14:22 < tepples> MAY, not DOES
2008-05-07 14:22 < cimon> http://www.psfk.com/2008/05/wikipedia-to-be-published-controversy-ensues.html - idiot number one
2008-05-07 14:22 < Asenine> if it was not generally true then it would not be inccluded
2008-05-07 14:23 < Zouavman> tepples : then you can go on a crusade to delete all albums by notable artists that aren't "The Wall" or "Sgt. Pepper" ;) I think it would be a rather foolish endeavor, considering that there are other, more important issues to worry about.
2008-05-07 14:23 < Aqwis> tepples, get the fuck away from Wikipedia
2008-05-07 14:23 < geniice> cimon> nothing thermonuclear genocide won't take care of
2008-05-07 14:23 < Zouavman> Aqwis : chill
2008-05-07 14:23 < tepples> An album doesn't have to be "The Wall" to have an independent review of it. That's all I see WP:MUSIC as asking for.
2008-05-07 14:24 < geniice> Zouavman nah nah just question all those "fair use" album covers
2008-05-07 14:24 < cimon> geni: idiot number two: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63590
2008-05-07 14:24 < geniice> Asenine identification in the context of critical commentary
2008-05-07 14:24 < Zouavman> geniice : I personally don't mind fair use; the only problem I see with it is that it's not always reusable and has quite a blurry boundary
2008-05-07 14:25 < cimon> "Wikipedia, the online "free encyclopedia" written and edited by its users that contains 9 million articles in 253 languages, now includes detailed photos of nude homosexual men engaging in sex acts and a variety of other sexually explicit images and content."
2008-05-07 14:25 < geniice> Asenine you claim the album cover is used in the "context of critical commentary " so where is the critical commentary?
2008-05-07 14:25 < Demi> cimon - i assume that's someone writing a guide on where to find gay porn?
2008-05-07 14:25 < Zouavman> cimon : Kudos for the author of that intellect-void quote. Who is it by?
2008-05-07 14:25 < geniice> cimon david shankbone images again?
2008-05-07 14:26 < The359> we have gay sex photos now?
2008-05-07 14:26 < The359> Or do they mean the autofelattio type stuff
2008-05-07 14:26 < Zouavman> The359 : it's been around for a long time
2008-05-07 14:26 < cimon> Apparently in the article [[fluffer]]
2008-05-07 14:27 < Zouavman> People also seemed to have an issue with [[Human fecal matter]]... 9_9
2008-05-07 14:27 < geniice> The359 david shankbone images include stuff from gay porn shoots
2008-05-07 14:28 < The359> lovely
2008-05-07 14:28 < The359> Do we have a taint picture yet?
2008-05-07 14:28 < cimon> "Children are often able to bypass these filtering devices and view hard-core, vile pornography," Barber said. "There is raw, unedited homosexual pornography and other videos on this Wikipedia website, a site that so many Americans and people around the world rely upon."
2008-05-07 14:28 < geniice> They train young men to drop fire on people but won't let them upload gay porn to wikipedia! Why? because it's obscene!
2008-05-07 14:28 < cimon> videos ? O.O
2008-05-07 14:28 < geniice> cimon prehistoric stag movie
2008-05-07 14:28 < Zouavman> cimon : XD like if they weren't able to bypass the filtering devices elsewhere!
2008-05-07 14:29 < cimon> I love the term "raw, unedited homosexual pornography" - what, they would like it better if we had edited it?
2008-05-07 14:29 < Dendodge> My school's played it safe - any page with so much as a search box is blocked!
2008-05-07 14:29 < Asenine> haha, i lol'd at those two idiots on blogs
2008-05-07 14:29 < Asenine> commented on the first, now looking at the second