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2008-05-06 22:09 < quanticle> Gracenotes: Rules? You don't need to read the rules. The game takes care of that for you. Besides, the rules take all of five minutes to go through if you're not setting up the game.
2008-05-06 22:09 < Lubaf> Why can't we be enemies / Why can't we be enemies?
2008-05-06 22:09 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: im a strategist
2008-05-06 22:09 < FastLizard4> BoL Lucifer_Cat quanticle Messedrocker: First alert - ping me to verify readiness
2008-05-06 22:09 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: If the situation is as dire as he says it is, no amount of strategery will save him. Hit hard. Hit fast.
2008-05-06 22:09 < quanticle> FastLizard4: Ping
2008-05-06 22:10 < Lucifer_Cat> im ready.
2008-05-06 22:10 < BoL> wait, hold up
2008-05-06 22:10 < quanticle> Dammit BoL!
2008-05-06 22:10 < quanticle> :)
2008-05-06 22:10 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: You will now be excluded from the game now that you are marked as away
2008-05-06 22:10 < BoL|away> I can't take a shower?
2008-05-06 22:10 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: We're starting now
2008-05-06 22:10 < quanticle> BoL: Showers are overrated.
2008-05-06 22:11 < FastLizard4> Messedrocker: Awaiting confirmation from you
2008-05-06 22:11 < BoL|away> fine
2008-05-06 22:11 < BoL|away> confirm
2008-05-06 22:11 < quanticle> BoL, just join the game. You don't have to go right away.
2008-05-06 22:11 < quanticle> BoL, I mean, play your turn right away.
2008-05-06 22:11 < FastLizard4> BoL|away quanticle Lucifer_Cat: Awaiting confirmation from Messedrocker
2008-05-06 22:11 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: you ready?
2008-05-06 22:12 < BoL|away> can't edit LulzWiki!@
2008-05-06 22:12 < FastLizard4> Messedrocker: Please confirm now or in the very near future, or I will be forced to start the game without you
2008-05-06 22:12 < Messedrocker> FastLizard4, i confirm
2008-05-06 22:13 < FastLizard4> BoL|away Messedrocker Lucifer_Cat quanticle: STAND BY
2008-05-06 22:13 < Lucifer_Cat> ready
2008-05-06 22:13 < FastLizard4> BoL|away Messedrocker Lucifer_Cat quanticle: THE GAME NUMBER IS: 2386655
2008-05-06 22:13 < Lucifer_Cat> im in
2008-05-06 22:13 < quanticle> in
2008-05-06 22:13 < FastLizard4> Messedrocker BoL|away: LET'S GO!
2008-05-06 22:13 < BoL|away> wher is it again?
2008-05-06 22:14 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: Game finder
2008-05-06 22:14 < FastLizard4> quanticle: You dropped
2008-05-06 22:14 < BoL|away> how do I play?
2008-05-06 22:14 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: >:(
2008-05-06 22:14 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: You mean you didn't even bother to read the rules in the 3 day hiatus you had?
2008-05-06 22:14 < BoL|away> not really
2008-05-06 22:14 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: Join the damn game
2008-05-06 22:15 < quanticle> Whoops, didn't realize that the "Join game" link turned into the "Drop game" link as soon as you clicked it.
2008-05-06 22:15 < BoL|away> U.S. Senate?
2008-05-06 22:15 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: Yes, now click the join button
2008-05-06 22:15 < BoL|away> I'm in with my old nick
2008-05-06 22:15 < FastLizard4> You guys are going to love this map
2008-05-06 22:15 < BoL|away> how do I play?
2008-05-06 22:16 < gwern> '"I can't believe he didn't suspect a trap. See what happens when you don't watch enough television?"
2008-05-06 22:16 < gwern> -- The Joker, Justice League - Wild Cards Part 1
2008-05-06 22:16 < FastLizard4> hehe
2008-05-06 22:16 < FastLizard4> I'm red yet I don't have any republican seats :P
2008-05-06 22:16 < Messedrocker> ahhh, my first territory taken by my former ally!
2008-05-06 22:17 < quanticle> FastLizard4: Heh. I'm looking at the map.
2008-05-06 22:17 < FastLizard4> Oh, I have Karen :P
2008-05-06 22:17 * quanticle hopes to capture the Conservative lobby for sheer lulz
2008-05-06 22:17 < bbot> An interesting inversion of the trope can be found in the British spy series The Prisoner, which features an unrepentant, mildly misanthropic loner as its protagonist. Instead of being seen as a liability, the character's "loner-ness" and drive towards individualism is the only thing keeping him sane. It's also the only weapon he has against the shady government officials who want to brainwash him and turn him into an obedient a
2008-05-06 22:18 < bbot> Goddamn, I need to watch The Prisoner
2008-05-06 22:18 < bbot> it's all over the tvtropes wiki
2008-05-06 22:18 < Messedrocker> sweet, i hold the vice president's chair
2008-05-06 22:18 * quanticle wishes i.love.u would make his move on the MidEast map.
2008-05-06 22:18 < FastLizard4> BoL|away: There is a button at the top of the screen that reads "Instructions" I suggest you click it
2008-05-06 22:19 < quanticle> BoL: Have you ever played Risk?
2008-05-06 22:19 < bbot> FastLizard4: guidelines?
2008-05-06 22:19 < BoL|away> read
2008-05-06 22:19 < FastLizard4> bbot: ...
2008-05-06 22:19 < FastLizard4> bbot: We're playing Risk...
2008-05-06 22:20 < FastLizard4> Lucifer_Cat: Your turn on the Senate Floor
2008-05-06 22:20 < Messedrocker> hey, I finally have an idea for my programming final project
2008-05-06 22:20 < Messedrocker> i shall make a visual basic version of risk!
2008-05-06 22:20 * Messedrocker cries as he gets vanquished
2008-05-06 22:21 < Lucifer_Cat> heh senate floor
2008-05-06 22:21 < Gracenotes> ew
2008-05-06 22:21 * Messedrocker only has 11 territories left
2008-05-06 22:21 < quanticle> Gracenotes: Ew for Visual Basic?
2008-05-06 22:21 < gwern> '# Warhammer 40000: Dawn Of War ends with Brother-Captain Gabriel Angelos destroying an artifact containing a demon.. which, instead of destroying the demon with it, let the demon go. The demon merrily thanks Gabe for his help. ' <-- whoops
2008-05-06 22:22 < Messedrocker> that's what the programming class teaches. can't help that can i
2008-05-06 22:22 < Fennec> VB risk seems nontrivial but doable.
2008-05-06 22:23 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Yes you can. Its called, "Get an O'Reilly book and teach yourself a real language." :)
2008-05-06 22:23 < Messedrocker> quanticle, I am teaching myself a real language
2008-05-06 22:23 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: build an interpreter for a decent language in VB, then write it on top of that :D
2008-05-06 22:23 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Which one?
2008-05-06 22:23 < Messedrocker> quanticle, php and perl
2008-05-06 22:23 < Fennec> LISP!
2008-05-06 22:23 < quanticle> Krimpet: For bonus points, make the interpreter for a pointer based language like C.
2008-05-06 22:23 < gwern> 'In Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the first part of the story is about the struggle for humans to return to the surface by killing the evil overlord keeping them underground... Sadly, the evil overlord was protecting the humans from something worse. Ooops. '
2008-05-06 22:24 < gwern> 'During the climax of Dogma, the fallen angel Bartleby needs to become human so he can take advantage of plenary indulgence in order to return to Heaven. Thus proving God wrong and thereby unmaking all of creation. To do so, he needs to remove his wings...which is promptly done for him with a machine gun by a particularly clueless hero who was trying to kill him.'
2008-05-06 22:24 < Krimpet> common lisp is an awesome choice. ;)
2008-05-06 22:24 < Fennec> Perl is a real language. PHP is a hypertext preprocessor.
2008-05-06 22:24 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Well, good to see that you're learning *one* proper language.
2008-05-06 22:24 < gwern> Krimpet: or better yet, claim you need the CLR, and then just use F# or a lisp
2008-05-06 22:24 < Fennec> PHP is great. If you're preprocessing hypertext.
2008-05-06 22:24 < WonRyong> hi :)
2008-05-06 22:24 < quanticle> gwern: Heh. Tengen Toppa was *hilarious* anime.
2008-05-06 22:24 < Krimpet> PHP is a good choice for a Personal Home Page, like it says on the tin...
2008-05-06 22:25 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Your turn on the Senate map.
2008-05-06 22:25 < Gracenotes> Fennec: or reverting vandalism on the English Wikipedia
2008-05-06 22:25 < WonRyong> I have a question
2008-05-06 22:25 < Krimpet> gwern: F#? never heard of that, /me googles
2008-05-06 22:25 < gwern> WonRyong: I disagree
2008-05-06 22:25 < Krimpet> is there a CL for .NET?
2008-05-06 22:25 < WonRyong> I am korean. can i use korean language for my talk page?
2008-05-06 22:26 < gwern> Krimpet: there are one or two lisps, I'm pretty sure
2008-05-06 22:26 < quanticle> Krimpet: Its like ML
2008-05-06 22:26 < Krimpet> ah, I've been meaning to teach myself O'Caml sometime
2008-05-06 22:26 < gwern> ocaml, specifically
2008-05-06 22:26 < quanticle> gwern: Well, there's Scheme and Common Lisp.
2008-05-06 22:26 < gwern> it'd be better if it were like SML, but alas...
2008-05-06 22:26 < Messedrocker> WonRyong, English Wikipedia operates in the English language only. Though you are welcome to speak Korean to other Korean-speaking people on English Wikipedia (though it may earn you some suspicion)
2008-05-06 22:26 < quanticle> gwern: What, F#?
2008-05-06 22:27 < gwern> yes
2008-05-06 22:27 < gwern> ocaml has a sucky type system
2008-05-06 22:27 < WonRyong> gwern, I am korean. can i use korean language for my talk page?
2008-05-06 22:27 < Lucifer_Cat> jeez relax. im playing.
2008-05-06 22:27 < quanticle> gwern: I heard that F# was very similar to SML.
2008-05-06 22:27 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: What?
2008-05-06 22:27 < gwern> WonRyong: look at Messedrocker's reply
2008-05-06 22:28 < WonRyong> oh~ :)
2008-05-06 22:28 < gwern> quanticle: my understanding was that it was a rehashed ocaml, and my further understanding was that ocaml was much less sophisticated than sml
2008-05-06 22:28 < Krimpet> hmm, can't seem to find any .NET CL implementations...
2008-05-06 22:28 * gwern thinks the whole different-math-operators thing demonstrates pretty clearly why type classes are so awesome in a FP lang
2008-05-06 22:28 < WonRyong> Messedrocker: though it may earn you some suspicion?? I don't understand.
2008-05-06 22:29 * Krimpet has been hoping to give building a "real" app in CL a shot.
2008-05-06 22:29 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: your turn
2008-05-06 22:29 < quanticle> WonRyong: It'd be like pair of people speaking Korean in a crowd of English speakers. The rest of us would wonder what was going on.
2008-05-06 22:29 < Lucifer_Cat> sorry
2008-05-06 22:29 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: your turn
2008-05-06 22:30 < WonRyong> The rest of us would wonder what was going on...Ah, Understand! :)
2008-05-06 22:30 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, i hold the entire yellow continent now :)
2008-05-06 22:31 < Messedrocker> WonRyong, never mind
2008-05-06 22:31 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: sweet
2008-05-06 22:31 < Lucifer_Cat> hold on to it till your next cash in.
2008-05-06 22:31 < Lucifer_Cat> you in a position to cash in next turn?
2008-05-06 22:33 < Messedrocker> no
2008-05-06 22:34 < Lucifer_Cat> now this is an interesting situation...
2008-05-06 22:35 < Lucifer_Cat> in a position like this, the smaller player can hope to have a big breakout and annex large areas if he can get a big army
2008-05-06 22:35 < WonRyong> I wanna request for admin. my short english is problem? I am not a good english speaker.
2008-05-06 22:35 < Messedrocker> WonRyong, as long as people have an idea of what you are saying
2008-05-06 22:35 < Lucifer_Cat> but then... it might be too late as the bigger player can probably crush the smaller one with a slightly smaller reinforcement
2008-05-06 22:38 * Mahlzahn waves
2008-05-06 22:39 * Icewedge likes goats.
2008-05-06 22:39 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I'll play in a bit; I'm studying right now.
2008-05-06 22:39 * quanticle wonders whether Icewedge likes goatse
2008-05-06 22:39 < Mahlzahn> hmm. I have [[OpenOffice.org]] open for editing and don't remember why.
2008-05-06 22:39 * Icewedge finds goatse quite disgusting.
2008-05-06 22:40 < Mahlzahn> thats the point of goatse.
2008-05-06 22:40 < Mahlzahn> I think.
2008-05-06 22:40 < Icewedge> it could be new age art you know.
2008-05-06 22:40 < Mahlzahn> it could
2008-05-06 22:41 * Mike_H cuddles Mahlzahn
2008-05-06 22:41 < Mahlzahn> hey mike.
2008-05-06 22:41 < Mike_H> hey
2008-05-06 22:41 < Mahlzahn> wasn't it your b'day last week?
2008-05-06 22:42 < Mike_H> No, honey, my birthday was in November.
2008-05-06 22:42 < Mahlzahn> nm then. I'm losing it.
2008-05-06 22:42 < Mahlzahn> Icewedge: not altogether unlike [[Aliza Shvarts abortion art controversy]] I s'pose
2008-05-06 22:43 < Icewedge> o suppose so
2008-05-06 22:43 < Icewedge> I*
2008-05-06 22:45 < Messedrocker> I like how Fast Lizard's last stronghold was in the Arctic Ocean xD
2008-05-06 22:45 < BoL|away> BoL away!
2008-05-06 22:48 < Mahlzahn> Arctic ocean is good. Lots of tailcoat-wearing penguin subjects.
2008-05-06 22:48 < Lycurgus> that's the antartic
2008-05-06 22:48 * Lucifer_Cat celebrates
2008-05-06 22:49 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: sheesh. Polar bears, penguins, whats the diff? You're just being pedantically mean to me.
2008-05-06 22:49 < Mahlzahn> As usual.
2008-05-06 22:49 * Mahlzahn cries
2008-05-06 22:49 < gwern> 'Perhaps the most garish example of Cool But Inefficient technology is the Buzz Droid Missile in Revenge of the Sith. A missile is deployed which tracks its target, flies ahead of the target and then explodes to disperse small droids which then must attempt to tear apart an enemy starfighter from the outside in. Exactly how this is more efficient than simply packing the missile with high explosive and letting it hit the target first is not explained. '
2008-05-06 22:50 * Lycurgus picks up Mahlzahn, puts on his knee, and rocks till he stops crying.
2008-05-06 22:50 < FastLizard4|away> Messedrocker: You never left feedback for me :(
2008-05-06 22:51 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker 's armies gave me a tough fight. aginst odds. but hopelessly sorrounded by hostile countries, his brave warriors never surrendered choosing instead to fight to death.
2008-05-06 22:51 < Lucifer_Cat> they are all now dead as dodos
2008-05-06 22:51 < Mahlzahn> hehe
2008-05-06 22:52 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: you there?
2008-05-06 22:52 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, I had a well-endowed propoganda program in my territory
2008-05-06 22:52 < Messedrocker> goodnight!
2008-05-06 22:52 < Lucifer_Cat> you might want to look at Mother Russia under the Army of Lucifer The Sovereign
2008-05-06 22:53 < Lucifer_Cat> RIP MuzzledRocker, RIP.
2008-05-06 22:53 < Mike_H> I just saw a YouTube video
2008-05-06 22:53 < Mike_H> that starts out
2008-05-06 22:53 < Mike_H> looking like a vagina
2008-05-06 22:53 < Fennec> gwern: insert voodoo explanation here, like, oh, the frame is somehow more resistant to shrapnel than to the buzzsaws (perhaps some configuration of a very hard airframe, but also very hard saws, and being more vulnerable to sustained buzzsaw forces in a specific direction than the less-controlled explosive shrapnel attacks?) Idunno.
2008-05-06 22:53 < Mike_H> and then it zooms out and it's just the fat folds in someone's armpit.
2008-05-06 22:53 < Fennec> gwern: if you wave your hands enough with the materials science it becomes vaguely plausible. >.>
2008-05-06 22:54 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: you might not really have a thing for vaginas, but we do. please dont spoil it for us.
2008-05-06 22:54 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-05-06 22:55 < Fennec> gwern: perhaps high explosives in general would be somehow vulnerable to some form of remote-detonation exploit and are not generally in favor! This is not inconsistent with the energy-weapon preferences displayed elsewhere.
2008-05-06 22:55 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4|Food: how old are you again?
2008-05-06 22:55 < SWATJester> Gwern: because if the normal explosive missile doesn't kill the other ship, then you are out of luck. But the droids can continue to damage the ship until it is destroyed, no matter how long that takes
2008-05-06 22:56 < Fennec> mmm. it would seem that increasing the probability-of-kill would help make up for that.
2008-05-06 22:56 * gwern is astounded at how everyone wants to rationalize it
2008-05-06 22:57 < Fennec> gwern: well, it truly is not explained, but it is capable of being explained with handwaving!
2008-05-06 22:57 < Fennec> and doing so is a more interesting exercise than just saying "yeah, haha, that's silly"
2008-05-06 22:57 < SWATJester> space combat is one of my fun little areas of theoretical interest
2008-05-06 22:58 < Cyrius> fennec's rationalization is better than SWATJester's
2008-05-06 22:58 < Fennec> SWATJester: Enemy gate. Is down.
2008-05-06 22:58 < gwern> Fennec: *groan*
2008-05-06 22:58 < SWATJester> lol
2008-05-06 22:58 < Fennec> that was a test.
2008-05-06 22:58 * Lucifer_Cat sends some droids after SWATJester
2008-05-06 22:58 < gwern> Fennec: are you next going to tell us how interstellar warfare requires pre-emptive strikes?
2008-05-06 22:58 * Fennec shrugs.
2008-05-06 22:58 < Fennec> that's the party line, innit?
2008-05-06 22:58 < SWATJester> im frozen
2008-05-06 22:58 < SWATJester> fennec you know they're making an enders game-----game?
2008-05-06 22:59 < Fennec> it sounds VERY promising! and VERY prone to pitfalls!
2008-05-06 22:59 < Fennec> so!
2008-05-06 22:59 < SWATJester> I heard they're limiting it to the battle school
2008-05-06 22:59 < Fennec> that'd make much sense
2008-05-06 22:59 < SWATJester> yeah
2008-05-06 23:00 < Fennec> the rest of the universe isn't really well set up for many players to be engaging in warfare
2008-05-06 23:01 < Demi> i think it's pretty safe to say that in a universe where ships have the shields and energy budgets of those shown in star wars, a few kilos of octol or whatever is going to do exactly zilch
2008-05-06 23:01 < Fennec> ya. Perhaps they can really, really reinforce the blades on those things.
2008-05-06 23:01 < SWATJester> historically in space opera though, shields generally only block energy weapons and not kinetic weapons or explosive weapons
2008-05-06 23:02 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: exception: independence day
2008-05-06 23:02 < gwern> Demi: sure, but then you just pile in a few gigaton h-bombs
2008-05-06 23:02 < Fennec> Star Wars doesn't exactly address kinetic attacks against shields. Shields are displayed blocking energy weapons, but only Ewoks end up throwing stones.
2008-05-06 23:02 < gwern> problem solved
2008-05-06 23:02 < Demi> star wars seems inconsistent on this point, however, at least sometimes shields prevent physical access
2008-05-06 23:02 < Demi> now, the question is, how do the buzz droids get through?
2008-05-06 23:03 < Fennec> they couldn't make it to the planet death star base place with them up, apparently.
2008-05-06 23:03 < Demi> i can't parse that, fennec, but, sure
2008-05-06 23:03 < Demi> It's a trap!
2008-05-06 23:03 < SWATJester> Fennec: Star Wars is inconsistent. The Endor shield destroyed physical contact, and concussion missiles/proton torpedos are blocked by the shield, but in the prequel trilogy, the shields are significantly less effective
2008-05-06 23:04 < Fennec> This might be explained by a inconsistent technology deployed between the two.
2008-05-06 23:04 < gwern> ' "Imagine: Thousands of children across the country beg their stupid parents to buy them a dalmatian puppy for Christmas only to discover months later that dalmatians were bred to be carriage dogs, require a tremendous amount of attention and are generally a royal pain in the ass. Goodbye home sweet home. Hello pet cemetery."
2008-05-06 23:04 < gwern> — from the Mr. Cranky review of 101 Dalmatians '
2008-05-06 23:04 < Demi> i think a proximity explosion in space is actually just not going to be very effective against anything
2008-05-06 23:04 < Fennec> there's a something else. Shrapnel everywhere.
2008-05-06 23:05 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: cruel. funny.
2008-05-06 23:05 < Fennec> This may be a liability to the side with the missiles.
2008-05-06 23:05 < Demi> you'd have to propel a lot of mass to form projectiles, and it still comes out in something like an expanding sphere
2008-05-06 23:05 < gwern> 'University of Nevada hoodies were sold out from the university online store after pictures of Nevada-tan surfaced. Nevada-tan is the Internet nickname for a Japanese girl who murdered a classmate in 2004, deriving from a widely published photograph of her wearing a University of Nevada hoodie. The store temporarily withdrew the hoodie from sale after learning the reason for the suddent increase in demand. '
2008-05-06 23:05 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: link
2008-05-06 23:06 < gwern> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheRedStapler
2008-05-06 23:06 < gwern> or heck just wiki nevada-tan
2008-05-06 23:07 < SWATJester> Fennec: I'd think shields can handle the shrapnel
2008-05-06 23:07 < gwern> "No man should have to outlive his fictional wizard!"
2008-05-06 23:07 < gwern> Homer Simpson, The Simpsons
2008-05-06 23:07 < SWATJester> They'd have a harder time with something like a sabot penetrator, which could be fired from a mass driver
2008-05-06 23:10 < gwern> '#
2008-05-06 23:10 < gwern> *
2008-05-06 23:10 < gwern> # Many fans of ''Star Trek'' didn't like the way Captain Kirk was killed in Generations. And neither did William Shatner, who co-wrote a series of non-Canon Trek novels set after Generations which resurrected Kirk. Fans call this series the "Shatnerverse", though whether lovingly or derisively depends on the Trekkie. '
2008-05-06 23:10 < Fennec> Shatner is a funny nut. >.>
2008-05-06 23:10 < Demi> i thought he liked the whole "getting shot in the back by a jerk" thing, according to interviews given around the time
2008-05-06 23:11 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4|Food: seriously
2008-05-06 23:11 < FastLizard4|Food> Lucifer_Cat: Yes, seriously
2008-05-06 23:12 < Lucifer_Cat> you gotta be kidding me
2008-05-06 23:12 * gwern finds this site disturbing: http://www.abbyshot.com/
2008-05-06 23:12 < SWATJester> Shatner is amazing. Boston Legal is one of the best shows on tellivision
2008-05-06 23:13 < gwern> http://www.abbyshot.com/products/ps-vereen-jacket.php <-- do people truly buy Wolverine jackets?
2008-05-06 23:13 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: lol
2008-05-06 23:14 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: as a matter of fact... thy do
2008-05-06 23:14 < Lucifer_Cat> its a cool looking jacket
2008-05-06 23:14 < gwern> http://www.abbyshot.com/products/ps-jet-jacket.php <-- and honestly, am I the only one who thinks that flap makes this jacket look irredeemably stupid?
2008-05-06 23:15 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: on straight guys, yes. i know a guy who could pull it off
2008-05-06 23:15 < Lucifer_Cat> hes a german gay guy from switzerland...
2008-05-06 23:16 < gwern> some of their stuff isn't *too* bad. http://www.abbyshot.com/products/ps-deckard-trench.php almost works for me, although I fear the collar is too long
2008-05-06 23:16 < SWATJester> http://www.abbyshot.com/products/ps-navigator.php
2008-05-06 23:16 < SWATJester> isn't too bad looking
2008-05-06 23:16 < SWATJester> how much is 349 CAD
2008-05-06 23:17 < nniR> One less than 350 CAD and one more than 348 CAD.
2008-05-06 23:17 < gwern> "Congratulations to those who figured this out. In my mind I am picturing a dart board with every available space riddled with darts."
2008-05-06 23:18 < gwern> Tom Siddell of GunnerkriggCourt
2008-05-06 23:18 < gwern> SWATJester: actually, I thought the navigator looked good - but it's cheating, since it's not a copy of anything, iirc
2008-05-06 23:18 < SWATJester> GunnerkriggCourt is a half decent comic
2008-05-06 23:18 < SWATJester> gwern: yeah I like it since it's not a copy of anything heh
2008-05-06 23:18 < SWATJester> I wonder how much that is in USD though
2008-05-06 23:21 < Demi> i'm pretty sure Auroch wore that jacket in Final Fantasy X.
2008-05-06 23:21 < SWATJester> aurochs was red and full length
2008-05-06 23:21 < Demi> canadian dollars are like 1:1 these days
2008-05-06 23:21 < SWATJester> that one is a peacoat
2008-05-06 23:22 < Demi> i mean when we was wearing his formal jacket
2008-05-06 23:22 < SWATJester> It's definitely not auroch's jacket
2008-05-06 23:23 < SWATJester> wait
2008-05-06 23:23 < SWATJester> auron
2008-05-06 23:23 < SWATJester> not auroch
2008-05-06 23:23 < SWATJester> aurochs were the team
2008-05-06 23:23 < Demi> whatever
2008-05-06 23:23 < Demi> frigging blernsball
2008-05-06 23:23 < The359> LAND O' LAKES, Fla., May 6 (UPI) -- A former substitute teacher in Land O' Lakes, Fla., claims he was fired by the school district because he was "accused of wizardry."
2008-05-06 23:23 < SWATJester> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/Auron.jpg
2008-05-06 23:23 < The359> Jim Piculas said Pat Sinclair, who is in charge of substitute teachers for the Pasco County School District, called him to say the district would no longer be using his services after he performed a disappearing-toothpick magic trick while teaching at Rushe Middle School, the Tampa (Fla.) Tribune reported Tuesday.
2008-05-06 23:24 < SWATJester> not similar
2008-05-06 23:24 < quanticle> Demi: It was a long red coat, but the sleeves were funny
2008-05-06 23:24 < SWATJester> it was more a robe than a coat
2008-05-06 23:24 < quanticle> funny strange, not funny ha-ha
2008-05-06 23:24 < SWATJester> land o' lakes is ghetto rhedneck as hell
2008-05-06 23:24 < quanticle> SWATJester, that may be true.
2008-05-06 23:24 < Demi> and here i am, getting my son a magic set
2008-05-06 23:24 < quanticle> SWATJester, how can a place be ghetto and redneck at the same time?
2008-05-06 23:25 < Demi> soon he'll be accused of wizardry
2008-05-06 23:25 < quanticle> Demi: The cards?
2008-05-06 23:25 < SWATJester> quanticle: wizardry
2008-05-06 23:25 < Demi> quanticle - little magic tricks, like cups and balls, a sword-through-coin trick, a few others
2008-05-06 23:25 < SWATJester> It's got rednecks that act like thugs
2008-05-06 23:26 < quanticle> SWATJester: You mean "wiggers"? "Uh-oh Oreos"?
2008-05-06 23:27 < Lucifer_Cat> OREOS!!!
2008-05-06 23:27 < Demi> they make okay butter, though, you have to give them that
2008-05-06 23:27 < SWATJester> kinda
2008-05-06 23:27 < SWATJester> but more rednecky
2008-05-06 23:27 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: wanna talk about something cool?
2008-05-06 23:27 < SWATJester> i.e. they listen to bubba sparx instead of slim thugg
2008-05-06 23:28 < SWATJester> and they drive a beat up red pickup, with power tools in the back (stolen), when they go to buy crack.
2008-05-06 23:28 < Demi> crack or meth?
2008-05-06 23:29 < Mike_H> oh, meth, that's hot
2008-05-06 23:29 < Mike_H> Gotta love the rotting teeth and holes in your face
2008-05-06 23:29 < MZMcBride> Meth-face.
2008-05-06 23:29 < Lucifer_Cat> Runaway Bride
2008-05-06 23:30 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Naw. I'm going to bed soon. Talking about something cool would quickly deplete the last of my neural reserves
2008-05-06 23:30 < Lucifer_Cat> heh
2008-05-06 23:30 < Lucifer_Cat> okie. exams?
2008-05-06 23:30 < Lucifer_Cat> graduating soon? wrapping coursework?
2008-05-06 23:30 < Mike_H> <joeaguy> the naked oprah book club, sounds refreshing
2008-05-06 23:30 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> joeaguy: Nothing says Deepak Chopra like at least seven and a half inches.
2008-05-06 23:30 < Gwern-away> darn power blinkages
2008-05-06 23:30 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Naw. Just that finals week is coming up.
2008-05-06 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> ahh. that was my first Q :P
2008-05-06 23:31 < quanticle> Mike_H: Wait, what?
2008-05-06 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> best luck!!!
2008-05-06 23:31 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Thank you :)
2008-05-06 23:31 < Mike_H> quanticle: rofl, we're talking about some nudist colony
2008-05-06 23:31 < Mike_H> and to get in, you have to have certain standards
2008-05-06 23:31 < Mike_H> like, you must not weigh more than X
2008-05-06 23:31 < Mike_H> you must be X attractive
2008-05-06 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> or less than N
2008-05-06 23:31 < Mike_H> your thing must be X inches
2008-05-06 23:31 < Mike_H> etc.
2008-05-06 23:32 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: i know this is really immature, maybe even in bad taste, inspired way too much by stupid television.. but i do have a Q
2008-05-06 23:32 < Lucifer_Cat> may i?
2008-05-06 23:33 < Mike_H> Lucifer_Cat: What?
2008-05-06 23:33 < Lucifer_Cat> do gay guys get turned on by the sight of their own thing?
2008-05-06 23:34 * The359 can't think of a funny retort
2008-05-06 23:34 < Gwern-away> Benjamin Franklin II: Why do you have your barber on emergency speed dial?
2008-05-06 23:34 < Gwern-away> Dr. McNinja: I don't know? Because life is crazy?!
2008-05-06 23:34 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: go Gwern-away
2008-05-06 23:34 < The359> where's the funneh?
2008-05-06 23:34 < Lycurgus> LC: yes.
2008-05-06 23:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: ?
2008-05-06 23:35 < SWATJester> anyway
2008-05-06 23:35 < SWATJester> off to play GTA IV
2008-05-06 23:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Lycurgus: sure?
2008-05-06 23:35 < Lycurgus> Quite
2008-05-06 23:35 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: did you get a free hooker with your early bird copy?
2008-05-06 23:35 < SWATJester> Bestbuy was out
2008-05-06 23:35 < The359> I got a broken PS3 with mine
2008-05-06 23:35 < quanticle> Gwern-away: Dr. McNinja is awesome
2008-05-06 23:35 < SWATJester> so I had to use my own hooker
2008-05-06 23:35 < Demi> they'd all been beaten to death for change, natch
2008-05-06 23:36 * Lucifer_Cat anticipates xkcd
2008-05-06 23:36 < gwern> quanticle: induibitably
2008-05-06 23:37 < quanticle> He's a ninja and a doctor!
2008-05-06 23:37 < quanticle> I mean, can you get more awesome?
2008-05-06 23:38 < Lycurgus> gotta be a surgeon
2008-05-06 23:39 < Lycurgus> ninja proctologist won't do
2008-05-06 23:39 < Demi> you could be a pirate and a rock star
2008-05-06 23:40 < quanticle> Anyway, what is #wikipedia's opinion on highlighting/underlining in textbooks? Discuss!
2008-05-06 23:41 < gwern> I hate that. I prefer marginalia
2008-05-06 23:42 < quanticle> I underline, but I don't highlight for the simple fact that having two sets of pens is annoying.
2008-05-06 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> textbooks?
2008-05-06 23:42 < quanticle> I have a nice set of fine tipped gel-ink pens that are wonderful to write with and can do underlining/outlining as well.
2008-05-06 23:42 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Indeed.
2008-05-06 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> i just mark up my pdf/.docs
2008-05-06 23:42 < Lycurgus> like in wikitext?
2008-05-06 23:43 < Monobi> quanticle, I have been banned from 3 wikimedia channels. To where do I appeal?
2008-05-06 23:43 < gwern> 'Let's not forgot Light's rival, L. This guy is basically The Anti-Bishonen. He dresses like a bum (he doesn't even wear shoes!), his black hair is shaggy and unkempt, he looks permanently hungover, he strongly detests physical contact with anyone, he's close to emotionally dead, and (in the ultimate insult to any female) he gorges himself on nothing but sugary snacks but retains his thin figure for the entirety of the series. As far as his morality is co
2008-05-06 23:44 < gwern> Monobi: to your conscience?
2008-05-06 23:44 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: You don't use paper textbooks? O_o
2008-05-06 23:44 < Monobi> gwern, of course not, because I was correct
2008-05-06 23:44 < The359> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovi-djkUgd0
2008-05-06 23:45 < quanticle> Monobi: #wikimedia-ops?
2008-05-06 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> not in a cpl years
2008-05-06 23:45 < Monobi> quanticle, they banned me
2008-05-06 23:45 < Monobi> quanticle, otherwise I would
2008-05-06 23:45 < quanticle> Monobi: Then, you've exhausted your appeals, I'm afraid.
2008-05-06 23:45 < Monobi> quanticle, then the totalitarians win? This is a sad day
2008-05-06 23:45 < Monobi> Where's mark ryan?
2008-05-06 23:45 < Monobi> seanw, poke
2008-05-06 23:45 < Monobi> :|
2008-05-06 23:45 < Monobi> James_F|Away, poke
2008-05-06 23:45 < quanticle> Monobi: Getting banned from #wikimedia-ops is like having the Supreme Court go against you. There's nowhere else you can go.
2008-05-06 23:46 < Lucifer_Cat> Monobi: i suppose that had something to do with you asking people to do ! ops on some channels
2008-05-06 23:46 < Monobi> Lucifer_Cat, not at all
2008-05-06 23:46 < Lucifer_Cat> then
2008-05-06 23:46 < Monobi> then
2008-05-06 23:47 < Monobi> quanticle, unban me from #wikimedia-ops
2008-05-06 23:47 < quanticle> Monobi: I can't. I don't have the necessary access on that channel.
2008-05-06 23:47 < Monobi> Oh
2008-05-06 23:47 < Warpath> O_O
2008-05-06 23:49 < gwern> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHgIxYrI_hI <-- god bless the WIlliam Tell Overture
2008-05-06 23:50 < Monobi> quanticle, Oh well, I emailed the channel contact about this operator's illogical, irrational, and emotion based decision: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mark&diff=prev&oldid=210728780
2008-05-06 23:50 < The359> wah wah wah
2008-05-06 23:51 < Warpath> The359, don't be mean :|
2008-05-06 23:51 < The359> that's no fun
2008-05-06 23:52 * Lucifer_Cat gets some popcorn out
2008-05-06 23:52 < Lucifer_Cat> zomg
2008-05-06 23:52 < Lucifer_Cat> ouch
2008-05-06 23:52 < The359> that's 4 rooms now
2008-05-06 23:52 < kylu> ... guess that makes two rogue ops?
2008-05-06 23:52 < The359> (when has quanticle been an op?)
2008-05-06 23:52 < Lucifer_Cat> The359: before me
2008-05-06 23:53 < gwern> and that completes today's Monobi quadfecta! thank you for playing
2008-05-06 23:54 < Soxred93> Well done, but no kick?
2008-05-06 23:54 < FastLizard4> Soxred93: Silence only
2008-05-06 23:54 < Soxred93> Ok
2008-05-06 23:55 * Lucifer_Cat pets Monobi .. its okay sweety... its called tough love
2008-05-06 23:55 < uberpenguin> U GON' GIT RAPED
2008-05-06 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> uberpenguin: shh
2008-05-06 23:57 < SWATJester> uberpenguin: I need a hi-res version of that image
2008-05-06 23:57 < SWATJester> I am moving next week into an house owned by two clowns
2008-05-06 23:57 < Warpath> which image? O_O
2008-05-06 23:57 < uberpenguin> what image?
2008-05-06 23:57 < Warpath> XD
2008-05-06 23:57 < kylu> SWATJester: just be glad you don't have to car-pool with them in that teensy tiny car
2008-05-06 23:58 < SWATJester> The u gon get raped image
2008-05-06 23:58 < yao_ziyuan> when it comes to different dialects or writing system variants of the same language (e.g. en.wikipedia.org), which dialect/variant does wikipedia use?
2008-05-06 23:58 < uberpenguin> there's an image?
2008-05-06 23:58 < uberpenguin> yao_ziyuan: which ever one is championed by he who whines loudest, basically
2008-05-06 23:58 < yao_ziyuan> ...
2008-05-06 23:58 < SWATJester> http://content.ytmnd.com/content/f/a/1/fa1ca11de1dcdac7bea94a78acf159b4.jpg
2008-05-06 23:58 < SWATJester> I need it in hi res
2008-05-06 23:59 < Lycurgus> yao_ziyuan: each wiki instance is bound to a single standardized idiom
2008-05-06 23:59 < Krimpet> yao_ziyuan: en.wiki uses both American and British English, basically whatever variant an article is first written in.
2008-05-06 23:59 < gwern> 'What the doctors don't realize is that the Multidata software gives different answers in this configuration depending on how the hole is drawn: draw it in one direction and the correct dose is calculated, draw in another direction and the software recommends twice the necessary exposure.
2008-05-06 23:59 < yao_ziyuan> this issue is prominent when it comes to zh.wikipedia.org, which currently uses traditional chinese as the default
2008-05-06 23:59 < gwern> At least eight patients die, while another 20 receive overdoses likely to cause significant health problems. The physicians, who were legally required to double-check the computer's calculations by hand, are indicted for murder.'
2008-05-06 23:59 < gwern> http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2005/11/69355?currentPage=2
2008-05-06 23:59 < Lycurgus> zh.wikipedia.org and zh-yue.wikipedia.org for example
2008-05-07 00:00 < Lycurgus> the host names and languages map 1-1
2008-05-07 00:00 < kylu> gwern: oops?
2008-05-07 00:00 < quanticle> gwern: What's the point of having a computer if you're required to double-check its calculations?
2008-05-07 00:01 < Lycurgus> english and simple english are the only two English ones and SFAIK chinese is the only one with "dialects" of a common language
2008-05-07 00:01 < yao_ziyuan> zh-yue is another issue; it can't be automatically converted from/to mandrain texts
2008-05-07 00:01 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Your turn on the senate floor
2008-05-07 00:02 < gwern> quanticle: the same reason you might have both electronic and mechanical interlocks
2008-05-07 00:02 < gwern> quanticle: or the same reason you use multiple hard drives in RAID...
2008-05-07 00:02 < gwern> kylu: more like 'oops, our laziness killed several people'
2008-05-07 00:02 < The359> the computer can let you know if your math is wrong
2008-05-07 00:02 < The359> even if the computer is wrong
2008-05-07 00:03 < The359> it wont give the same answer as your math
2008-05-07 00:03 < The359> so you'll have to double check
2008-05-07 00:03 < quanticle> gwern: Indeed, but if you're going to do the calculations by hand anyway, why get the computer involved?
2008-05-07 00:03 < gwern> quanticle: ...did you just miss both my messages? two unreliable methods combined can be more reliable than either alone
2008-05-07 00:04 * gwern really doesn't know how to explain it better
2008-05-07 00:04 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: i has ops :D
2008-05-07 00:04 < Lucifer_Cat> i just dont falunt it.
2008-05-07 00:04 < kenlyric> defense, it is in depth
2008-05-07 00:05 < quanticle> gwern: I guess so. I don't know. Its just that I'm thinking of a calculator analogy - if the calculator is unreliable, and you have to check its math, then why bother using the calculator? Whay not do the math in your head?
2008-05-07 00:06 < quanticle> *Why
2008-05-07 00:06 < The359> They don't assume the calculator is wrong
2008-05-07 00:06 < kylu> quanticle: double-checking/sanity-checking your results.
2008-05-07 00:07 < quanticle> kylu: Right; I guess the doctors should have been able to estimate the correct answer well enough to detect when the computer was giving a double dosage.
2008-05-07 00:07 < gwern> quanticle: if the calculator is exactly as unreliable as your mental calculation (that is, every time it's wrong, you're wrong, and vice versa), then it is pointless. but the thing is, those conditions rarely to never hold
2008-05-07 00:08 < quanticle> gwern: Also, see what I said to kylu.
2008-05-07 00:08 < The359> I would hope they wouldn't be doing it in their head though
2008-05-07 00:08 < The359> rather on pen and paper
2008-05-07 00:08 < kylu> nice, journaled, legally admissable pen and paper? :)
2008-05-07 00:08 < gwern> ouch. clinton only has 51% in indiana?
2008-05-07 00:08 < Lucifer_Cat> i like how this channel has extended passionate discussions about things they have no control over.
2008-05-07 00:09 < quanticle> gwern: Clinton is down to 51%? Nice!
2008-05-07 00:09 < gwern> I wonder whether the MSM is going to point out that it is now even more hopeless for clinton?
2008-05-07 00:09 < gwern> quanticle: according to cnn's front page
2008-05-07 00:10 < quanticle> gwern: Has Indiana been called for Clinton?
2008-05-07 00:10 * gwern notes that reddit is claiming about 10% of indiana votes for clinton were from self-identified republicans
2008-05-07 00:11 < kylu> I hope they don't self-identify as such when it's time for the november elections, then
2008-05-07 00:11 < FastLizard4> 2008-05-06 19:36:25 - MessedRocker attacked Tabloid from CNN and conquered it from Lucifer_Cat
2008-05-07 00:11 < FastLizard4> 2008-05-06 19:36:52 - MessedRocker fortified CNN with 1 armies from Tabloid XD
2008-05-07 00:11 < The359> Finish him!
2008-05-07 00:12 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: this game will be full of ironies :D
2008-05-07 00:12 < FastLizard4> 2008-05-06 19:29:09 - Lucifer_Cat attacked MoralMajority from Fundamentalist and conquered it from FastLizard4
2008-05-07 00:12 * kylu 's (sadly) in Indiana, and it's been noted that there's a state law requiring that if you vote in the primary, you have to vote the same way in the general election.
2008-05-07 00:12 < kylu> (yes, it's stupid, no, it's not my fault)
2008-05-07 00:12 < Lucifer_Cat> The359: i have a 3-0 record so far :)
2008-05-07 00:12 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: before that...
2008-05-07 00:12 < FastLizard4> 8-05-06 19:17:07 - FastLizard4 deployed 4 armies on S.Floor
2008-05-07 00:12 < FastLizard4> 2008-05-06 19:17:32 - FastLizard4 attacked W.Floor from S.Floor and conquered it from BoL
2008-05-07 00:12 < FastLizard4> 2008-05-06 19:36:14 - MessedRocker deployed 4 armies on CNN
2008-05-07 00:12 < Lucifer_Cat> Lucifer_Cat deployed 4 armies on Fundamentalist
2008-05-07 00:13 < gwern> 'Clarke later wrote vividly about Sheehan's reaction after the military brass begged off. "Who the s--- do they think attacked the Cole, f---in' Martians?" Sheehan asked Clarke. "Does Al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon to get their attention?"' <-- the ironing. you could cut it with a knife
2008-05-07 00:13 < Lycurgus> several conservative sources have yet to call Indiana for Clinton and the mayor of Gary is saying to prepare for a shocker
2008-05-07 00:14 < gwern> (reference to the 2000 Al Qaeda attack on the USS Cole
2008-05-07 00:14 < yao_ziyuan> i just proposed in zh.wikipedia mailing list that we can use a cn.wikipedia.org, a tw.wikipedia.org, a sg.wikipedia.org, a hk.wikipedia.org to automatically return pages in the corresponding language variant. and zh.wikipedia.org can serve as a disambiguation page that links to these language variants.
2008-05-07 00:14 < gwern> the who of what?
2008-05-07 00:14 < kylu> gary, Indiana
2008-05-07 00:14 < kylu> (eek, caps)
2008-05-07 00:14 < kylu> Gary, Indiana... a Democrat stronghold near Chicago
2008-05-07 00:15 < Lycurgus> that has a substantial black community
2008-05-07 00:15 < BoL> hold on
2008-05-07 00:15 < gwern> so he's not the most objective observer
2008-05-07 00:15 < The359> And a substantial murder rate
2008-05-07 00:15 < kylu> The359: quite.
2008-05-07 00:15 * The359 lived near Gary
2008-05-07 00:16 < kylu> you have both my condolences and congratulations.
2008-05-07 00:16 < Lycurgus> there's still 8 percent of precincts uncounted and it continues to get closer
2008-05-07 00:16 < BoL> FastLizard4: This is being logged by don murphy
2008-05-07 00:17 < Lycurgus> it doesn't look like she'll necessarily clear 1 %
2008-05-07 00:17 < gwern> oh man, it would be so awesome if obama edged out hillary
2008-05-07 00:17 < FastLizard4> BoL: ORLY?
2008-05-07 00:17 * gwern is glad I sold all my clinton shares on the IEM a long time ago. tonight is going to blow away another 10 cents in the share price, for sure
2008-05-07 00:17 < BoL> word on Wikipedia-en
2008-05-07 00:17 < BoL> Daniel Brandt
2008-05-07 00:17 < The359> This is being logged?
2008-05-07 00:18 < The359> Awesome
2008-05-07 00:18 < The359> do a report on me
2008-05-07 00:18 < FastLizard4> BoL: Who's the logger
2008-05-07 00:18 * FastLizard4 loads banbazooka
2008-05-07 00:18 < BoL> I don't know who's Don Murphy or Daniel Brandt
2008-05-07 00:18 < BoL> but word from #wikipedia-en says they logging this
2008-05-07 00:19 < FastLizard4> BoL: WTF are you talking about?
2008-05-07 00:19 < FastLizard4> === word There was no such nickname
2008-05-07 00:19 < The359> Word from who?
2008-05-07 00:19 < BoL> Warpath> since #wikipedia is fscken logged by fscken Brandt :|
2008-05-07 00:19 < The359> ok
2008-05-07 00:19 < The359> so there's no actual word that it's happening now
2008-05-07 00:19 < FastLizard4> BoL: DanielB is Brandt
2008-05-07 00:20 < BoL> no, DanielB's real name is Daniel Bryant, don't you WHOIS him?
2008-05-07 00:20 < BoL> sorry 'bout that...
2008-05-07 00:20 * BoL backs off
2008-05-07 00:20 < FastLizard4> Oh
2008-05-07 00:20 * BoL runs
2008-05-07 00:20 < gwern> of course #wikipedia is logged
2008-05-07 00:20 < FastLizard4> Similar stuff, so
2008-05-07 00:20 < Lycurgus> didn't she already have victory speech in IN?
2008-05-07 00:20 * The359 is logging right now
2008-05-07 00:20 * Lucifer_Cat gifts The359 an loggers axe
2008-05-07 00:21 * Warpath thanks BoL for inviting the troll t o #-en :|
2008-05-07 00:21 < gwern> "I took the Eveylyn Woods speed reading course. I was able to read War and Peace in two hours. It was about Russia" - Woody Allen.
2008-05-07 00:21 < gwern> Lycurgus: that makes things even more amusing
2008-05-07 00:24 < Lycurgus> yeah, various services are starting to retract their predictions of Clintons win in IN
2008-05-07 00:24 < ijustam> i wish lake would count their votes
2008-05-07 00:24 < ijustam> im on the edge of my damn seat
2008-05-07 00:25 < kenlyric> damn their goofy time zone.
2008-05-07 00:25 < Lycurgus> if she does loose she'll be under enormous pressure to concede
2008-05-07 00:25 < Lycurgus> I'm sure they're discussing it now
2008-05-07 00:26 < Lucifer_Cat> w00t... obama into 1800s
2008-05-07 00:26 < Lucifer_Cat> Lycurgus: no one wants to be the one to tell her to concede
2008-05-07 00:27 < kenlyric> pretty sure she lost the moment she decided 10 states just didn't matter
2008-05-07 00:27 < ijustam> i heard 1 hillary commercial
2008-05-07 00:27 < ijustam> and countless obama ads
2008-05-07 00:27 < kenlyric> just like other democrat losers like kerry and gore
2008-05-07 00:27 < ijustam> i dont think hillary campaigned indiana very much
2008-05-07 00:27 < kenlyric> you're crazy
2008-05-07 00:27 < kenlyric> they were both everywhere
2008-05-07 00:27 < Lycurgus> no they did
2008-05-07 00:27 < kenlyric> hilary did very little radio though.
2008-05-07 00:27 < ijustam> maybe it was the locale
2008-05-07 00:27 < ijustam> i saw a ton of ads in muncie
2008-05-07 00:28 < Lycurgus> the clintons (all 3) put in nearly 100 appearances
2008-05-07 00:28 < ijustam> then they shifted when i came to zionsville
2008-05-07 00:28 < ijustam> oh, yeah thats true
2008-05-07 00:28 < ijustam> Chelsea came to my school
2008-05-07 00:28 < ijustam> i dont know if hillary came by, but obama did
2008-05-07 00:28 < kenlyric> she went to every school, you need to clarify :)
2008-05-07 00:28 < BoL> who'd i invite, Warpath?
2008-05-07 00:28 < ijustam> i would know if she came to my school, she didn't
2008-05-07 00:28 < ijustam> obama didn't come specifically either
2008-05-07 00:28 < ijustam> he came to the city, not the school
2008-05-07 00:29 < ijustam> i dont think hillary came at all
2008-05-07 00:29 < ijustam> but i didn't follow her campaign much so i may have just overlooked it
2008-05-07 00:29 < kenlyric> you just said "Chelsea came to my school"
2008-05-07 00:29 < kenlyric> she went to every school
2008-05-07 00:29 < Lycurgus> so if she looses, she'll concede sooner. But it looks like she can't clear more than 1-2% when expectations were 6-10, so there will still be considerable pressure.
2008-05-07 00:29 < Lucifer_Cat> not tappable enough
2008-05-07 00:30 < ijustam> i dunno if i can concider sending her womb-spawn or "husband" an appearance
2008-05-07 00:30 < ijustam> consider, even
2008-05-07 00:30 < ijustam> mm.. cider
2008-05-07 00:30 < kenlyric> she=Chelsea, ok?
2008-05-07 00:30 < kenlyric> that's all we're discussing
2008-05-07 00:30 < kenlyric> wtf, stop being obtuse
2008-05-07 00:30 < Lycurgus> why not, they're a close political family
2008-05-07 00:30 < kenlyric> just tell me which school
2008-05-07 00:30 < ijustam> ball state
2008-05-07 00:31 < ijustam> muncie, in
2008-05-07 00:31 < kenlyric> so I can stalk you
2008-05-07 00:31 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-07 00:32 < gwern> 'womb-spawn' is hilariously awful a phrase
2008-05-07 00:32 < Lycurgus> even as it is the superdelegates could decide it for her by sufficient declaring for obama
2008-05-07 00:33 < BoL> night FastLizard4
2008-05-07 00:34 < kylu> Lycurgus: http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Clinton_Considering_Nuclear_Option_To_Overtake_Delegate_Lead
2008-05-07 00:34 < kylu> I really hope that was just counterpropaganda of some sort
2008-05-07 00:34 < kylu> otherwise I may be upset.
2008-05-07 00:35 < kenlyric> 8000 votes between governor candidates with over a million votes counted already
2008-05-07 00:36 < ijustam> oh man only a 16.6k difference now
2008-05-07 00:36 < quanticle> ijustam: Indiana?
2008-05-07 00:36 < ijustam> yeah
2008-05-07 00:38 < bumm13> hiya quanticle
2008-05-07 00:39 < kenlyric> you gotta admire the tenacity of 90k people voting for candidates who are no longer running.
2008-05-07 00:39 < kenlyric> or stupidity, you decide
2008-05-07 00:40 < kylu> it's indiana
2008-05-07 00:40 < ijustam> haha yeah
2008-05-07 00:40 < ijustam> didn't Ashcroft lose to a dead guy?
2008-05-07 00:40 < kylu> I'm leaning indiana, here
2008-05-07 00:41 < Lycurgus> mccain got less than 80% in IN, romney got 5%
2008-05-07 00:41 < quanticle> Hello bumm13.
2008-05-07 00:42 < Lycurgus> gingrich even says they're going to have a disaster in Nov
2008-05-07 00:43 < kylu> hey ninjapancake
2008-05-07 00:43 < kenlyric> http://www.lininteractive.com/wish/elections/may08/races/race744.htm this is really the county to watch
2008-05-07 00:43 < quanticle> <low whistle> Even with 94% of precints reporting, IN is still too close to call, with Clinto leading by a fraction of a percent...
2008-05-07 00:43 < kenlyric> slow counting east chicago bastards
2008-05-07 00:44 < ninjapancake> hi :)
2008-05-07 00:44 < quanticle> kenlyric: Well, if they count too fast, they won't have time to stuff the ballot boxes :)
2008-05-07 00:44 < kenlyric> he should soundly thump her in this county, it'll just depend on how much the thumping is
2008-05-07 00:44 < kenlyric> vote early!
2008-05-07 00:44 < kenlyric> vote often!
2008-05-07 00:44 < The359> Hopefully it's not close enough that we end up with a recount
2008-05-07 00:46 < quanticle> Ugh. That would suck, especially given that many electronic voting systems don't have a provision for that sort of thing.