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2008-05-06 06:05 < piksi> ok now i understood
2008-05-06 06:05 < AAA^> denelson83: Long Term Abuse
2008-05-06 06:05 < denelson83> ah
2008-05-06 06:05 < AAA^> you can call it a wiki version of a wanted poster
2008-05-06 06:05 < piksi> wow, that guy sure has been busy
2008-05-06 06:06 < AAA^> yeah
2008-05-06 06:06 < AAA^> he's weird
2008-05-06 06:06 < AAA^> sometimes i wonder if he's a bot...
2008-05-06 06:06 < AAA^> but the edits are too slow
2008-05-06 06:06 < AAA^> and human-paced
2008-05-06 06:06 < piksi> so, does wikipedia consider simply having 2 different accounts a "fraud" or does it need something more like
2008-05-06 06:06 < piksi> trying to push some agenda with multiple accounts?
2008-05-06 06:06 < Werdna> no, you have to misuse them
2008-05-06 06:06 < Werdna> although, people don't like it.
2008-05-06 06:06 < piksi> yeah well, i wouldn't like it either :-)
2008-05-06 06:06 < AAA^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK
2008-05-06 06:07 < denelson83> Sock it to 'em! ;)
2008-05-06 06:07 < piksi> (someone using many fake ids)
2008-05-06 06:07 < piksi> can i see that users sockpuppet edits somewhere or do i have to browse through all the edits from each ip-user contribution list?
2008-05-06 06:07 < Anthere> hmm, okay, I get it
2008-05-06 06:07 < AAA^> piksi: better yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/AAA%21
2008-05-06 06:07 < AAA^> look at the reverts
2008-05-06 06:08 < Rinn> Who's the UPN Vandal?
2008-05-06 06:08 < denelson83> "You pay now"?
2008-05-06 06:08 < AAA^> rinn: some guy who keeps adding false info to film/TV/music-related articles
2008-05-06 06:08 < AAA^> been around since Dec 2006
2008-05-06 06:09 < AAA^> he got the name as his first act was claiming UPN will return
2008-05-06 06:09 < Mike_H> UPN sucked to begin with.
2008-05-06 06:09 < Mike_H> Why bring it back?
2008-05-06 06:09 < AAA^> he took a break around march for some time, but i found him again in february or so
2008-05-06 06:10 < AAA^> Mike_H: it's not
2008-05-06 06:10 < AAA^> he just says so
2008-05-06 06:10 < Mike_H> No
2008-05-06 06:10 < Mike_H> I mean
2008-05-06 06:10 < Mike_H> why even want it back?
2008-05-06 06:10 < Mike_H> It was bad.
2008-05-06 06:10 < piksi> AAA^: perhaps he's doing a thesis on wikipedia credibility and has been doing a long term research on your vandal revert capabilities ;->
2008-05-06 06:10 < denelson83> AAA^: 11-month hiatus?
2008-05-06 06:10 < Mike_H> UPN had like 35 unfunny black sitcoms, wrestling, and the Top Models.
2008-05-06 06:10 < AAA^> piksi: no, that's just stupid
2008-05-06 06:10 < piksi> AAA^: yeah yeah, i was just joking
2008-05-06 06:11 < AAA^> indeed
2008-05-06 06:11 < piksi> well. after browsing through the first page of his edits... seems pretty nolife to me
2008-05-06 06:11 < piksi> i wouldn't have the patience to troll *that* much ever
2008-05-06 06:11 < Mike_H> piksi: some people are just that pathetic.
2008-05-06 06:11 < Rinn> You are obviously a bad troll.
2008-05-06 06:12 < piksi> yep, i fail as a troll
2008-05-06 06:13 < denelson83> EPIC FAIL
2008-05-06 06:13 < Mike_H> I'm dyin' for ya
2008-05-06 06:13 < Mike_H> I'm cryin' for ya
2008-05-06 06:13 < Mike_H> I adore ya
2008-05-06 06:14 * Mike_H grooves
2008-05-06 06:14 < piksi> MULTIFAIL, it's even more epic than epic fail itself
2008-05-06 06:14 < denelson83> ?
2008-05-06 06:14 < Mike_H> denelson83: It's the chorus to "Honey" by Mariah. Follow my train of thought!
2008-05-06 06:14 < denelson83> Never heard that song
2008-05-06 06:14 < piksi> (i got that error message when browsing danske bank website lately after their migration with a finnish bank)
2008-05-06 06:14 < Mike_H> You probably have and just didn't recognize it was that song.
2008-05-06 06:14 < Mike_H> denelson83: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-xk1oSi5JQ
2008-05-06 06:14 < denelson83> no and no
2008-05-06 06:15 < denelson83> Oh, that one
2008-05-06 06:15 < Mike_H> denelson83: You couldn't have been alive in the late '90s and not heard this song.
2008-05-06 06:15 < AAA^> here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UPN&diff=95646103&oldid=95631453
2008-05-06 06:15 * Rinn giggles
2008-05-06 06:15 < AAA^> that's where he got his name
2008-05-06 06:15 < piksi> Mike_H: so seems, though it baffles me every time. i have "architect" on my watchlist and i'm surprised every time how some people see it as a great way to express their freedom of speech by vomiting 50 paragraphs "SUCKMYDICK" on the page even though it gets reverted instantly
2008-05-06 06:15 < Mike_H> piksi: yeah.
2008-05-06 06:19 < denelson83> "piksi" is "I skip" spelled backwards
2008-05-06 06:20 < piksi> damn, and i never even realized that myself :-)
2008-05-06 06:20 < denelson83> ;)
2008-05-06 06:20 < piksi> so, now i have an excuse to be lazy in every possible way
2008-05-06 06:20 < denelson83> Even in Helsinki?
2008-05-06 06:20 < piksi> especially there
2008-05-06 06:21 < piksi> http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1438490562 <-- oh damn, caminito del rey still gives me huge chills just by watching this video....
2008-05-06 06:21 < denelson83> caminito del who?
2008-05-06 06:21 < piksi> "the kings passage"
2008-05-06 06:21 < piksi> in spain
2008-05-06 06:21 < piksi> there's a wikipedia stub for it :-)
2008-05-06 06:21 * piksi wonders if it's still accessible and traversable through...
2008-05-06 06:22 < piksi> i'm thinking of going there & writing a better article on wikipedia about it
2008-05-06 06:22 < piksi> but it's no use travelling to spain if it has already collapsed
2008-05-06 06:29 < ST47> Any crats around?
2008-05-06 06:29 < Mike_H> piksi: I just love the whole euro system.
2008-05-06 06:29 < Mike_H> Spain is so far away from Finland, yet you have the same currency.
2008-05-06 06:30 < denelson83> Same with Finland and French Guiana
2008-05-06 06:30 < Mike_H> denelson83: yeah, but who would want to go there?
2008-05-06 06:30 < denelson83> European astronauts?
2008-05-06 06:30 < Mike_H> blah.
2008-05-06 06:31 < arcimboldo_> US and Ecuador also share the same currency.
2008-05-06 06:31 < piksi> Mike_H: i love part of it, hate the other :-) I love how it has made travelling + transporting stuff in eu vastly easier and also helped with student exchange programs (among other neat things)
2008-05-06 06:32 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: That's because Ecuador sucks and can't have a currency of their own without it failing.
2008-05-06 06:32 < piksi> Mike_H: oh, and i have nothing against euro except that it's so popular it's forged(?) (false money) like hell
2008-05-06 06:32 < Rinn> I'm Rinn.
2008-05-06 06:32 < denelson83> duh.
2008-05-06 06:32 < Mike_H> piksi: counterfeited
2008-05-06 06:32 < piksi> yeah
2008-05-06 06:33 < Werdna> ST47: mediawiki crats? :P
2008-05-06 06:33 < piksi> i've actually started collecting them, the most hilarious ones are mongolian euros
2008-05-06 06:33 < denelson83> oh, bureaucrats
2008-05-06 06:33 < denelson83> just use the !crat trigger
2008-05-06 06:33 < denelson83> ;)
2008-05-06 06:33 < piksi> Mike_H: btw where are you from?
2008-05-06 06:33 < denelson83> He's Canuck
2008-05-06 06:33 < denelson83> and so am I
2008-05-06 06:33 < denelson83> No wait, that's AdamBishop
2008-05-06 06:34 < denelson83> Bah, stupid me ¬_¬
2008-05-06 06:34 < Mike_H> piksi: Florida
2008-05-06 06:34 < Mike_H> denelson83: And technically I'm part Canadian!
2008-05-06 06:34 < Mike_H> My grandfather was Canadian.
2008-05-06 06:34 < denelson83> oh
2008-05-06 06:34 * denelson83 is all-Canadian
2008-05-06 06:34 < Mike_H> hot.
2008-05-06 06:34 < denelson83> all western-Canadian, to be more precise
2008-05-06 06:35 < Mike_H> denelson83: He was from Manitoba
2008-05-06 06:35 < Werdna> Mike_H: that doesn't make sense
2008-05-06 06:35 < Mike_H> What doesn't make sense.
2008-05-06 06:36 < Werdna> "canadian" is not an ethnicity, unless you mean "native canadian"
2008-05-06 06:36 < denelson83> semantics...
2008-05-06 06:36 < Mike_H> Werdna: Oh, let me be more specific
2008-05-06 06:36 < Mike_H> "French Canadian"
2008-05-06 06:36 < Mike_H> Not Quebecois, because he was from Manitoba.
2008-05-06 06:36 < Mike_H> French Canadian.
2008-05-06 06:36 < Werdna> hmm.. that's just french. I don't think you can really consider French Canadian a separate ethnicity.
2008-05-06 06:36 < Mike_H> Werdna: Tell that to Quebec.
2008-05-06 06:36 < Werdna> Of course, what defines an 'ethnicity' is pretty arbitrary.
2008-05-06 06:37 < Werdna> I suppose a lot of it would have to relate to culture and so forth.
2008-05-06 06:37 < Werdna> in which case 'french canadian' would be.
2008-05-06 06:37 < Mike_H> His first language was French.
2008-05-06 06:37 < Werdna> but if we're going plainly on blood (as implied by 'part canadian'), then I doubt it's particularly distinct from French.
2008-05-06 06:38 < Mike_H> French Canadian would be pretty distinct.
2008-05-06 06:38 < Mike_H> From Anglo-Canadians and such.
2008-05-06 06:38 < arcimboldo_> What is the interbreeding rate?
2008-05-06 06:39 < Werdna> 1.5
2008-05-06 06:39 * Werdna made that up
2008-05-06 06:40 < Mike_H> But it's not as if French Canadians are a huge minority either.
2008-05-06 06:40 < Mike_H> 31% of Canadians identified as "French Canadian" on the last census.
2008-05-06 06:40 < Mike_H> well, I meant small minority
2008-05-06 06:40 < Mike_H> 31% is a huge minority
2008-05-06 06:41 * SynergeticMag double yawn
2008-05-06 06:41 < piksi> je parle un peut de francaise aussi
2008-05-06 06:42 < Mike_H> Of course "French Canadian" encompassing terms like "French," "Quebecois," "French Canadian," and "other."
2008-05-06 06:42 < Mike_H> French Canadians outnumber the ones who call themselves "Quebecois" 2 to 1.
2008-05-06 06:44 < arcimboldo_> "French Canadian" encompassing "French Canadian,"?
2008-05-06 06:44 < arcimboldo_> Makes sense.
2008-05-06 06:44 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: Sorry, "French Canadian" is an umbrella term
2008-05-06 06:44 < Mike_H> but "French Canadian" can also mean
2008-05-06 06:44 < Mike_H> "French and First Peoples of Canada"
2008-05-06 06:45 < Mike_H> it's one of those instances where the same wording means two different things depending on context.
2008-05-06 06:46 < Mike_H> It was like Werdna was bringing up earlier about "Canadian"
2008-05-06 06:46 < Mike_H> the first instance is a national identity, the second is an aboriginal identity.
2008-05-06 06:48 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: got it?
2008-05-06 06:49 < arcimboldo_> Of course a term can have a narrow and a broader definition ...
2008-05-06 06:50 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: In the Canadian census, the term "French Canadian" is used twice in different contexts
2008-05-06 06:50 < Mike_H> providing the confusion.
2008-05-06 06:51 < SynergeticMag> speaking of Canadian.... this bio pic is horrible
2008-05-06 06:51 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Reynolds
2008-05-06 06:51 < Mike_H> The Ethnic Diversity Survey of the 2001 Canadian census [3][4][5] found that French-speaking Canadians identified their ethnicity most often as French, Canadien, Quebecois, or French Canadian.
2008-05-06 07:08 < Mm40> sorry for the spam, but we need one more player to join at #leifswolfbot
2008-05-06 07:10 * Werdna stabs Mm40
2008-05-06 07:10 < Werdna> please don't/
2008-05-06 07:11 < Mm40> I wasn't interrupting
2008-05-06 07:11 < Werdna> that's like saying "But your inbox was empty"
2008-05-06 07:12 < Werdna> anyway, whatever. please don't do it again
2008-05-06 07:13 < SynergeticMag> me is done watching old tv shows for the morning
2008-05-06 07:13 < SynergeticMag> whatever
2008-05-06 07:31 < Leslie_S> IM SORRY FOR THE SPAM, BUT YOUR INBOX WAS EMPTY!!!!
2008-05-06 07:31 < Leslie_S> rofl rofl rofl
2008-05-06 07:34 < zocky> check out the plot summary on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_2002
2008-05-06 08:07 < Leslie_S> I'm running off to detroit now. I'll be back next time i have wifi!
2008-05-06 08:22 < ybit> is there an option such as a blog for wikipedia/
2008-05-06 08:22 < ybit> a blog for a user
2008-05-06 08:22 < Werdna> no
2008-05-06 08:22 < ybit> any plans?
2008-05-06 08:23 < brown_cat> then where will i comment on my friend's pics?
2008-05-06 08:23 < brown_cat> I already use commons as flickr
2008-05-06 08:23 < ybit> i'd much rather use wikipedia as my all-in-one social networking, personal page
2008-05-06 08:23 < brown_cat> second
2008-05-06 08:24 < Werdna> ybit: Wikipedia is not a social network. It's a project to create an encyclopedia, which includes social aspects as a necessity.
2008-05-06 08:25 < Werdna> Unfortunately, yes, lots of people /treat/ it as a social network. But we resist that change, rather than encourage it.
2008-05-06 08:26 < ybit> eh, wikipedia is a community|social encyclopedia, it's bound to happen
2008-05-06 08:27 < Werdna> indeed, Wikipedia has a community
2008-05-06 08:27 < Werdna> but that's not its primary purpose.
2008-05-06 08:29 < Phoenixwi> ybit yeah the social bit exists, but that's bound to happen when we have a community like this, plus the social bit is based around editing, so it gets stuff done anyway
2008-05-06 08:30 < Phoenixwi> I finally found out a number smaller than a googolplex and bigger than a googol...a ducentillion is 10^603
2008-05-06 08:34 < piksi> eeh, wikipedia as a social networking site.... /me faints from disgust
2008-05-06 08:34 < piksi> socializing is bound to happen whenever people interact and it's a good thing
2008-05-06 08:35 < piksi> but for social networking one can use mashing personal info together on platforms like plaxo
2008-05-06 08:35 < piksi> it's much more efficent and it's designed for such use
2008-05-06 08:36 < piksi> i'd rather see useful information in wikipedia rather than see the socializing a.k.a. "look at pictures of my dog" -side to overwhelm it
2008-05-06 08:36 < piksi> i'm afraid it would attract the attention of people who wouldn't be interested in developing the wiki at all but rather post party pics and demand more flash games :->
2008-05-06 08:37 < piksi> i'm happy myspace and facebook work efficently as the largest retard-magnets in the net
2008-05-06 08:38 < arcimboldo_> At least in the German Wikipedia we have quite an active local meeting scene.
2008-05-06 08:39 < piksi> arcimboldo_: i didn't oppose socializing itself, i oppose the way most people socialize on the web
2008-05-06 08:39 < piksi> irl meetings and social groups are a huge booster for new ideas etc
2008-05-06 08:40 < Werdna> arcimboldo_: works okay for some...
2008-05-06 08:40 < piksi> and from what i've understood wikipedia encourages certain kind of social grouping and interaction
2008-05-06 08:40 < Werdna> English has people /everywhere/
2008-05-06 08:40 < piksi> even in /b/, unfortunately
2008-05-06 08:40 < arcimboldo_> Well, we have even managed to start a regular Meeting in Tokyo of German-speaking Wikipedians.
2008-05-06 08:41 < arcimboldo_> to which I am a regular participant.
2008-05-06 08:41 < Werdna> yeah, there are a few of us in Sydney
2008-05-06 08:41 < Werdna> maybe we should meet up more often
2008-05-06 08:43 < piksi> i'd love to if i had the budget to travel to japan
2008-05-06 09:22 < RichiH> a great tool to convert csv to mediawiki tables is?
2008-05-06 09:25 < Hildanknight> Any native speakers willing to help a near-native speaker out?
2008-05-06 09:25 < Hildanknight> *of English
2008-05-06 09:26 < quanticle> Yeah. I can help.
2008-05-06 09:27 < Hildanknight> "Raffles JC has traditionally been the most demanded junior college in Singapore." Could you guys help me find the right word, instead of "demanded"? What I mean is that everyone wants to get into Raffles, because it is a prestigious junior college.
2008-05-06 09:27 < quanticle> Hildanknight: Exclusive?
2008-05-06 09:30 < Phoenixwi> omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina :-p
2008-05-06 09:31 < quanticle> piksi: MySpace and Facebook may get rid of the retards, but its 4Chan that keeps the trolls off our back.
2008-05-06 09:32 < piksi> quanticle: oh yeah, that too
2008-05-06 09:32 < piksi> and even better when 4chan is fighting with 7chan and all the others
2008-05-06 09:33 < quanticle> Yeah. That too. Not to mention the whole Project Chanology thing (i.e. their fight with the Scientologists).
2008-05-06 09:33 < cimon> Hildanknight: I would use "attractive"
2008-05-06 09:34 < Hildanknight> Cimon: That's better than "sought after", the previous best suggestion.
2008-05-06 09:34 < kenlyric> delicious irony: Bush administration blasting Burma government for slow response to natural disaster.
2008-05-06 09:35 < piksi> quanticle: though i'd say the most annoying ones are the other anons that troll purely for lulz ;-)
2008-05-06 09:35 < cimon> Hildanknight: to be honest, I am pretty sure there is a better word yet still. Can't seem to get it at the moment though.
2008-05-06 09:37 < cimon> kenlyric: A nice touch was the US critiziing any number of countries elections for voting irrelgularities...
2008-05-06 09:39 < nsh> MAGIC SANDWICHES
2008-05-06 09:40 < quanticle> piksi: Really? I find that those are the easiest to deal with. You can ban them and they won't mind. The ones that are really annoying are the Ron Paul types who actually think that you banning them violates their free speech somehow.
2008-05-06 09:41 < quanticle> cimon: The fact that nobody's perfect doesn't mean that you can't criticize. I mean, if we were held to your standard, no government could criticize electoral fraud anywhere.
2008-05-06 09:42 < piksi> quanticle: ooh, well in that sense yes :-)
2008-05-06 09:45 < Lycurgus> yoohoo, perfektion, wo bist du?
2008-05-06 09:50 < cimon> quanticle: I am trying to wrap my mind around those two sentences, and it all does not resolve...
2008-05-06 09:51 < cimon> quanticle: yes of course, everybody can and should critizice, but realise glass houses and all that jazz
2008-05-06 09:53 < cimon> the US is not just not perfect, the US various states have a widely varying level of corruptness, which in some states is higher than in many countries around the world considered very very corrupt indeed by the US governmetn..
2008-05-06 09:54 * cimon is thinking specifically about Illinois and Louisiana...
2008-05-06 09:55 < cimon> And pelase don't start on Diebold systems-.-.
2008-05-06 09:55 < nsh> what actually comes from there?
2008-05-06 09:55 < quanticle> cimon: the US is not perfect, but it is far better than, Zimbabwe, for example.
2008-05-06 09:56 < Phoenixwi> The US isn't better than Ireland...move there
2008-05-06 09:56 < cimon> quanticle: yes, but not that far above many countries whose elections it critizices.
2008-05-06 09:56 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: I would if I could afford it.
2008-05-06 09:56 * nsh scans his memory for any reference to Illinois or Louisiana that wasn't in some way related to arsebackwardness
2008-05-06 09:56 < Phoenixwi> :-p
2008-05-06 09:56 < cimon> quanticle: not perfect != not the worst
2008-05-06 09:56 < quanticle> cimon: How so? The US has fairer elections than Russia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar, etc.
2008-05-06 09:57 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, strange how the average European's wage is lower than the average *poor* Americans wage and apparently Europeans are happier...
2008-05-06 09:57 < Phoenixwi> what Americans consider poor, that is
2008-05-06 09:58 < quanticle> cimon: You're trying to say that the US has no right to criticize others' elections because it doesn't have perfect elections of its own. I say that's bullshit.
2008-05-06 09:58 < Phoenixwi> here you're poor if you earn less than €25,000, that's about $33,000
2008-05-06 09:58 < Phoenixwi> cimon why can't it? That's ad hominim
2008-05-06 09:58 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: That's not exactly poor here in the 'States either.
2008-05-06 09:58 < Phoenixwi> what is considered poor there?
2008-05-06 09:59 < Lycurgus> 1) Illinois and Lousiana are not moral equivalents; 2) the US is more or less homogenoous; 3) the US has a system that in it's way is as hostile to true democracy (that would challenge the corporate consensus or either of its 2 parties) as "Bobby" Mugage is in Zimbabwe.
2008-05-06 09:59 < Phoenixwi> no actually 25000 = 38 635
2008-05-06 09:59 < cimon> quanticle: no, absolutely not. Of course it has the right to critizise, and I have the right to guffaw.
2008-05-06 09:59 < Lycurgus> illinois is really two distinct political regions, Chicago and the rest of the state
2008-05-06 09:59 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: I'd say poor is less than $25,000 a year, which works out to 16,177 euros
2008-05-06 10:00 < Phoenixwi> geex that makes us risher...
2008-05-06 10:00 < Lycurgus> the infamous corruption is most associated with the Chicago of a generation ago
2008-05-06 10:00 < quanticle> cimon: Its not like Europe is perfect when it comes to elections either. Look at Italy, for example.
2008-05-06 10:00 < cimon> quanticle: and you have the due right to guffaw at Italy ...
2008-05-06 10:00 < quanticle> cimon: So what's your point?
2008-05-06 10:01 < cimon> quanticle: my point is that I found something humorous. So sue me.
2008-05-06 10:01 < quanticle> cimon: Ah. Ok.
2008-05-06 10:01 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-05-06 10:02 < quanticle> Lycurgus: To be fair, multiparty systems are not a panacea either. Look at Italy.
2008-05-06 10:03 < Lycurgus> no, but they are close to it than an effective party of a single political interest
2008-05-06 10:03 < Lycurgus> (such as the dempublicans represent)
2008-05-06 10:04 < quanticle> Lycurgus: I don't consider a government that falls apart every year (and sometime more than once per year) to be any better than the system here in the US.
2008-05-06 10:04 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Ideally, I'd like something like what the British and Canadians have - 3 major parties.
2008-05-06 10:04 < Lycurgus> are you purposely trying to sound ignorant?
2008-05-06 10:05 < Phoenixwi> quanticle our GDP per capita (Ireland) is $45,600, the GDP per capita for the whole of Europe is $32,900, and the US's is $46,000
2008-05-06 10:05 < Phoenixwi> according to the CIA world factbook
2008-05-06 10:05 < quanticle> Lycurgus: The system of multiple parties also gives disproportionate voice to minor single-issue parties. I've seen this in India, where Hindu nationalist parties often have a disproportionate voice in government despite only holding a few seats, because they end up being the lynchpin of a large coalition.
2008-05-06 10:06 < Lycurgus> (the ability of the government to dissolve readily and for power to fall back to the people is indicative of more not less popular control)
2008-05-06 10:06 < kenlyric> quanticle: happens in israel too
2008-05-06 10:07 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Right. But you don't realize that there is such a thing as too much popular control. After a point, your government becomes indistinguishable from mob rule.
2008-05-06 10:07 < Lycurgus> in any case "democracy" is a false concept,
2008-05-06 10:07 < quanticle> kenlyric: Indeed.
2008-05-06 10:07 < cimon> Lycurgus: there is a very roundabout connection with the corrupt chicago era and today... in that the Democrats may be reproducing the famous Nominating Convention of Chicago from the Daley era, when they finally get around to it.
2008-05-06 10:08 < Lycurgus> well I was there and I doubt it
2008-05-06 10:08 < cimon> Lycurgus: you were ? wow!
2008-05-06 10:08 < Phoenixwi> the GDP per capita of the whole earth is $10,000
2008-05-06 10:08 < quanticle> cimon: Yeah. Well, as far as that goes, I'm blaming Hillary. She's had repeated opportunities to bow out with a shred of dignity. Instead she's throwing away her own dignity and sullying her husband's legacy.
2008-05-06 10:09 < bumm13> oh darn
2008-05-06 10:09 < quanticle> bumm13: What'd you break now? :)
2008-05-06 10:09 < bumm13> break?
2008-05-06 10:09 < quanticle> You said, "Oh darn."
2008-05-06 10:10 < cimon> quanticle: I think "darn" is a term of repair, not breakage.
2008-05-06 10:10 < bumm13> "darn" as a verb means to fix up holes in socks
2008-05-06 10:10 < Lycurgus> cimon, yes, I was 14 but I remember it quite well (I'm from chicago)
2008-05-06 10:10 * bumm13 used it as an emotive expression
2008-05-06 10:10 < quanticle> cimon: Heh. Well, here in the US, "darn" is often used as a euphimism for "damn", which is most definitely a term of breaking.
2008-05-06 10:10 < Phoenixwi> the total military expenditure for the whole planet is $1 316 400 000 000
2008-05-06 10:11 < bumm13> "damn" is an emotive outburst word
2008-05-06 10:11 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Over half of which is the US alone.
2008-05-06 10:11 < Phoenixwi> wow
2008-05-06 10:11 < bumm13> (when not used as a verb)
2008-05-06 10:11 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, have the national guard ever been used in an engagement?
2008-05-06 10:11 < cimon> quanticle: you know what "zounds" refers to?
2008-05-06 10:12 < Lycurgus> the US is probably more than half the global defense expenditure
2008-05-06 10:12 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Hmmm. I'm not sure. I don't think so, since in all previous conflicts that have stretched the Army and Marines, we've had the draft to increase the size of our fighting forces.
2008-05-06 10:12 < Lycurgus> if that figure was dollars, it's less than the annual DOD budget
2008-05-06 10:13 < quanticle> cimon: No clue. I've heard it occasionally, but I have no idea what its etymology is.
2008-05-06 10:13 < Lycurgus> oh, sorry didn't see the 1 trillion
2008-05-06 10:13 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, the draft = conscription?
2008-05-06 10:13 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Yeah.
2008-05-06 10:13 < Phoenixwi> :O
2008-05-06 10:13 < cimon> quanticle: I'll save you the googling. "zounds" is archaic and a phonemic shortening of "Gods Wounds".
2008-05-06 10:13 < Moro55> o.o
2008-05-06 10:13 < Lycurgus> in which case, if the figure holds, no the US wouldn't be half
2008-05-06 10:14 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Well don't many European countries have mandatory military service?
2008-05-06 10:14 < Phoenixwi> why on earth do the US need such a large army...their army already outnumbers the entire population of many countries
2008-05-06 10:14 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, scandinavian countries, greece...I think Italy might
2008-05-06 10:14 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: No it doesn't. We have actually one of the smaller armies. Even North Korea's army outnumbers ours.
2008-05-06 10:14 < cimon> quanticle: meaning the thorny crowns marks, the nails, and the piercing of his side to make sure he had passed away.
2008-05-06 10:14 < Phoenixwi> :O
2008-05-06 10:15 < cimon> arguably also the flogging marks.
2008-05-06 10:15 < Moro55> o.o
2008-05-06 10:15 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Our military has the coolest toys though.
2008-05-06 10:15 < Phoenixwi> yeah I suppose, though Russia's is pretty cool too, they've re-developed their army since the cold war
2008-05-06 10:15 < Phoenixwi> we don't have any tanks, btw
2008-05-06 10:16 < Phoenixwi> we have 32 MOWAG Pirahnas, and some other armoured vecs
2008-05-06 10:16 < Phoenixwi> that's it
2008-05-06 10:16 < Phoenixwi> a few helos
2008-05-06 10:16 < Phoenixwi> about 4 destroyers
2008-05-06 10:16 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: And by "cool", I mean completely ineffective against insurgents, of course.
2008-05-06 10:16 < Phoenixwi> lol
2008-05-06 10:16 < Phoenixwi> like moabs lol
2008-05-06 10:16 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Yeah. Or the F-22 for that matter.
2008-05-06 10:16 < Phoenixwi> lol that hasn't even been used, has it?
2008-05-06 10:17 < Phoenixwi> I'd imagine that would be effective though
2008-05-06 10:17 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: If we were having an air battle over the Fulda Gap against Mig-29s, it would have been damn effective. Not so much against insurgents hiding in Afghani caves.
2008-05-06 10:18 < Phoenixwi> well, against other aircraft, which Iraqis don't have, A 10 would be more effective vs land
2008-05-06 10:18 < Phoenixwi> apparently it's the best air superiority fighter in the world
2008-05-06 10:19 < Phoenixwi> but still a 10s are more useful in Iraq
2008-05-06 10:19 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: To be honest, I'd say the most useful aircraft in Iraq is the Predator drone, because it can loiter around a fixed point for 8 hours at a time.
2008-05-06 10:19 < Phoenixwi> lol there was once a time when F 15s were cutting edge technology...they look like flying cows now
2008-05-06 10:20 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, yeh but it doesn't have great firepower, 2 hellfires can only go so far
2008-05-06 10:20 < Phoenixwi> and can't peirce caves obviously
2008-05-06 10:20 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Really? I still think the F-15 is beautiful aircraft. I actually think it looks nicer than the F-22. The F-22 is sleek, but there's something about the radar deflecting shape that looks... wrong.
2008-05-06 10:21 < Phoenixwi> no the F15 looks huge and ugly
2008-05-06 10:21 < Phoenixwi> and unweildy
2008-05-06 10:21 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Well, if they're hiding in caves, even a nuclear device wouldn't do you much good. The advantage of the Predator is that it can loiter and give directions to ground forces.
2008-05-06 10:22 < Phoenixwi> bunker busters?
2008-05-06 10:22 < Phoenixwi> they can do tremendous damage
2008-05-06 10:22 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Right, but they can only to to a limited depth. Natural caves are often deeper and tougher than the best human made bunkers.
2008-05-06 10:23 < Phoenixwi> what about spectre gunship?
2008-05-06 10:24 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: That's also a good weapon. The fact that it uses guns, rather than bombs, helps limit collateral damage. Sure, its useless against armored vehicles, but terrorists don't use those anyway.
2008-05-06 10:24 < Phoenixwi> a 105mm would take out most apcs and other moderatly armed vecs, even if wouldn't damage a modern tank
2008-05-06 10:25 < Phoenixwi> o destroy them completely, but it would cause tremendous damage
2008-05-06 10:25 < Phoenixwi> possibly killing occupants or disabling engine/wheels
2008-05-06 10:25 < Phoenixwi> or tracks
2008-05-06 10:26 < quanticle> Right. I'd argue that even the 105mm cannon is too much. Ideally, I'd replace the 105mm cannon with a whole battery of 22mm high-speed AA guns. I mean, the insurgents aren't using tanks, so why even mount anti-tank weapons. Better to have more anti-infantry firepower due to the faster firing rate of 22mm anti-aircraft guns.
2008-05-06 10:26 < Phoenixwi> the Avenger gattling gun is only 30 mm according to wikipedia, that's the A10 one
2008-05-06 10:27 < Phoenixwi> quanticle they could do that easily enough, they wouldn't have to redesign the whole aircraft, or buy more
2008-05-06 10:27 < Phoenixwi> just take a few days to change the weapons
2008-05-06 10:27 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Right, which makes me wonder why it hasn't been done.
2008-05-06 10:27 < Phoenixwi> and an avenger can blow up chalenger IIs in one shot
2008-05-06 10:28 < Phoenixwi> and I mean blow up
2008-05-06 10:28 < Phoenixwi> not just put a little hole in it and damage the interior
2008-05-06 10:28 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: The issue with the A-10 isn't the gun, its the fact that the depleted uranium ammunition is so heavy, the plane can only carry a limited amount.
2008-05-06 10:29 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, why don't you join the army? Get promoted and you'd be in charge
2008-05-06 10:29 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Meh. I wouldn't last under the discipline.
2008-05-06 10:30 < Phoenixwi> the A10 fires at a rate of 3100 rounds per min and only carries 1174
2008-05-06 10:30 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Yeah. I heard the gun depletes itself in about 20 seconds or so of continuous fire.
2008-05-06 10:31 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: Which is fine, because the gun overheats after about 10 secs of fire.
2008-05-06 10:32 < Phoenixwi> but at that rate fireing for 1 second would result in at least 55 hits (If all of them hit actually, but they won't...), and 1 is enough to kill a tank
2008-05-06 10:33 < Phoenixwi> qunticle, and firing the gun slows the thing down by 2/3
2008-05-06 10:34 < Phoenixwi> quanticle*
2008-05-06 10:35 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kim_campbell_damage_a10.jpg can happen to an A10 and it can still fly
2008-05-06 10:35 < Phoenixwi> it can lose either engine too
2008-05-06 10:36 < Alkivar> thats minimal damage for an a10
2008-05-06 10:36 < Alkivar> that picture
2008-05-06 10:36 < quanticle> Yeah. Not to mention that it has electric, hydraulic, backup hydraulic, and manual wire control systems.
2008-05-06 10:37 < Phoenixwi> it can get half the wing shot off, see where the damage is? If the wing blew off from there, it could still survive
2008-05-06 10:37 < Alkivar> from what i've been told it will work with only 1/3 of its control surfaces
2008-05-06 10:37 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, I think the F18 is nicer than either the F15 or the F22
2008-05-06 10:38 < Alkivar> i prefer the f-16 myself
2008-05-06 10:39 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: The issue with the F-18 is that it's composite construction, while being phenomenally light, isn't as durable metal, simply because composite technology wasn't as advanced when the planes were built.
2008-05-06 10:39 < Phoenixwi> really?
2008-05-06 10:39 < Phoenixwi> wow
2008-05-06 10:39 < quanticle> To be honest, my favorite plane is the Dassault Rafael
2008-05-06 10:39 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: There have been instance where bird strikes have caused tail fins to quite literally shatter.
2008-05-06 10:40 < Alkivar> yep
2008-05-06 10:40 < Phoenixwi> that's pathetci...still, looks better than the others
2008-05-06 10:40 < Alkivar> there have been cases of wings cracking from heat
2008-05-06 10:41 < Alkivar> if we're going based on looks... B-1B is still my fav combat aircraft
2008-05-06 10:42 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: http://exile.ru/transient/283/wn3.jpg
2008-05-06 10:42 < Phoenixwi> no that looks ugly
2008-05-06 10:42 < Phoenixwi> B2 spirit better
2008-05-06 10:42 < Alkivar> EWWW
2008-05-06 10:42 < Phoenixwi> :O
2008-05-06 10:42 < Alkivar> the fucking flying wings are the ugliest pieces of shit ever built
2008-05-06 10:43 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-53_Active_Aeroelastic_Wing
2008-05-06 10:43 < Phoenixwi> Alkivar, they look much better than F111s
2008-05-06 10:43 < Alkivar> the F-117 you mean?
2008-05-06 10:44 < Alkivar> the F-111 isnt a stealth craft
2008-05-06 10:44 < Phoenixwi> yeah I mean
2008-05-06 10:44 < quanticle> But F-111 isn't much of a looker either.
2008-05-06 10:44 < Phoenixwi> no
2008-05-06 10:45 < Phoenixwi> not according to wikipedia
2008-05-06 10:46 < Phoenixwi> Zeroes look cool
2008-05-06 10:47 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA > F22
2008-05-06 10:50 < Alkivar> yep i'll go for that comparison
2008-05-06 10:51 < Alkivar> although i still prefer its swept wing experimental design
2008-05-06 10:51 < Alkivar> i'm a sucker for a forward swept wing design.... i think they look amazing
2008-05-06 10:51 < Phoenixwi> yeah they do, ever played C&C?
2008-05-06 10:52 < Phoenixwi> the firehawks have forward swept wings
2008-05-06 10:52 < Phoenixwi> Alkivar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_AD-1 can you really say B2 lookks the worst in comparision to that?
2008-05-06 10:53 < quanticle> Alkivar: Personally, I like concept aircraft with a M wing pattern - forward swept close to the body, switching to a traditional sweep midway.
2008-05-06 10:54 < Phoenixwi> quanticle, you mean like http://www.commandconquer3.com/images/gdi_firehawk.gif ?
2008-05-06 10:56 < Phoenixwi> http://ui31.gamespot.com/2046/gdifirehawk_4.jpg is a better image
2008-05-06 10:57 < Phoenixwi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_IIlol now that's awful
2008-05-06 11:02 < quanticle> Phoenixwi: I meant more along the lines of something like this:http://www.fsplanet.com/images5/eswat_t.jpg
2008-05-06 11:06 < nsh> i has idea
2008-05-06 11:07 < nsh> we should all go to burma and help fix it up
2008-05-06 11:07 < nsh> and then accidentally remove the junta from power on the way out
2008-05-06 11:07 < nsh> i use the term we loosely here
2008-05-06 11:09 < quanticle> nsh: Heh. Viva la #wikipedia revolution?
2008-05-06 11:34 < nsh> science fiction recommendations plskthx
2008-05-06 11:35 < Fennec> asimov. bear. benford. brin. card. clarke. herbert. mccaffrey. mccarthy. zahn.
2008-05-06 11:35 < Fennec> that should busy you a little while.
2008-05-06 11:36 < nsh> was looking for a title suggestion
2008-05-06 11:36 < nsh> to quickly convert to ipod book and take home
2008-05-06 11:37 < nsh> as my laptop got stolen and i have no other form of entertainment in my flat
2008-05-06 11:38 < Fennec> Dune. Ender's Game. Rendesvous with Rama. Moonseed. Foundation.
2008-05-06 11:38 < nsh> any that were written after the industrial revolution?
2008-05-06 11:38 < cimon> nsh: google for "etidorhpa"
2008-05-06 11:39 < nsh> heh, cimon reverse preempted me
2008-05-06 11:39 < Fennec> nsh: what's that supposed to mean?
2008-05-06 11:39 < cimon> nsh: that should be on gutenberg already...
2008-05-06 11:39 < nsh> Fennec: they titles i recognise in that list are very "classic"
2008-05-06 11:40 < nsh> i.e written before i was born
2008-05-06 11:40 < nsh> but not so far before as etidorhpa
2008-05-06 11:46 < nsh> anyway, cheers .*
2008-05-06 11:47 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etidorhpa - hmm, I note no link to gutenberg...
2008-05-06 11:47 < bumm13> hiya Demi
2008-05-06 11:47 < cimon> Maybe they don't have it up yet.
2008-05-06 11:47 < Demi> hi bumm13
2008-05-06 11:49 < nazgjunk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast#Gallery
2008-05-06 11:49 < nazgjunk> ..why
2008-05-06 11:49 < nazgjunk> especially the three women flashing
2008-05-06 11:50 < nsh> breasts come in lots of different shapes and sizes
2008-05-06 11:50 < nsh> you have to be representative
2008-05-06 11:50 < nsh> although
2008-05-06 11:50 < nsh> upon viewing
2008-05-06 11:51 < nsh> i'm surprised that hasn't been trimmerised
2008-05-06 11:56 < bumm13> systemic bias? :P
2008-05-06 11:59 < nsh> wikewy
2008-05-06 12:05 < Demi> ah there we go
2008-05-06 12:05 < Demi> my windows are now all attached properly
2008-05-06 12:06 < Shiroi_Neko> demi-sama
2008-05-06 12:06 * Shiroi_Neko face huggles
2008-05-06 12:07 < Demi> just don't lay eggs
2008-05-06 12:07 < bumm13> only The Chicken Machine(s) can dispense eggs
2008-05-06 12:08 < Shiroi_Neko> 120$ for a barrel of oil
2008-05-06 12:08 < Shiroi_Neko> which means
2008-05-06 12:08 < Shiroi_Neko> what will I put in my drink?
2008-05-06 12:09 < Shiroi_Neko> Did you know? Drinking crude oil extends you life.
2008-05-06 12:09 < Demi> well, i rode public transit yesterday, i'm doing my bit
2008-05-06 12:09 < Shiroi_Neko> lies
2008-05-06 12:10 < Shiroi_Neko> that still uses gas
2008-05-06 12:10 < Shiroi_Neko> each time you use a bus you fund terrorism
2008-05-06 12:10 < Shiroi_Neko> each time you use your own car you fund terrorism twice
2008-05-06 12:10 < Demi> i think it might be CNG, but it's still a fossil fuel of course
2008-05-06 12:10 < Shiroi_Neko> each time you use your friends car you fund terrorism three times
2008-05-06 12:11 < Shiroi_Neko> because he ends up using the bus
2008-05-06 12:11 < Demi> public transit is good because both me and dirty homeless losers can ride on the same load of gas
2008-05-06 12:11 < bumm13> \o/
2008-05-06 12:11 < Shiroi_Neko> homeless people are not loosers
2008-05-06 12:11 < Shiroi_Neko> they are the ones missing
2008-05-06 12:11 < Shiroi_Neko> they have nothing left to loose
2008-05-06 12:12 < Demi> some of the dirty losers wear very tight pants, and we call them cyclists, but they smell just as bad
2008-05-06 12:12 < bumm13> haha
2008-05-06 12:12 < Shiroi_Neko> I try not to smell people
2008-05-06 12:12 < Shiroi_Neko> you can say I am an anti-smeller
2008-05-06 12:13 < Demi> there was a lot of contention for the bike racks on the bus
2008-05-06 12:14 < Shiroi_Neko> Demi suffering from a stand alone complex?
2008-05-06 12:14 < Demi> i don't know how to parse that
2008-05-06 12:24 < WonYong> "criticism about bush" this article is not NPOV?
2008-05-06 12:24 < The359> why not?
2008-05-06 12:25 < WonYong> What means NPOV?
2008-05-06 12:25 * Shiroi_Neko criticises rose bushes
2008-05-06 12:25 < Demi> i'm surprised to learn anyone has criticized george w. bush
2008-05-06 12:25 < Shiroi_Neko> too thorny
2008-05-06 12:26 < The359> Neutral Point of View, WonYong
2008-05-06 12:26 < The359> Basically, it is fairly balanced opinion-wise
2008-05-06 12:26 < WonYong> criticism is not Neutral Point
2008-05-06 12:26 < WonYong> it is attack
2008-05-06 12:26 < The359> no
2008-05-06 12:26 < The359> it's cited
2008-05-06 12:26 < The359> it's presenting the opinions of others
2008-05-06 12:27 < The359> As well as those who oppose the criticism
2008-05-06 12:27 < Shiroi_Neko> [[criticism of Wikipedia:neutral Poin of View]]
2008-05-06 12:27 < bumm13> meowf?
2008-05-06 12:28 < WonYong> criticism about Jejus, criticism about America, criticism about Chirist...it is Neutral Point? It is attack!
2008-05-06 12:29 < The359> It's not
2008-05-06 12:29 < The359> The articles discuss a topic
2008-05-06 12:29 < The359> Not an attack
2008-05-06 12:29 < bumm13> WonYong: please speak coherently
2008-05-06 12:29 * The359 thinks he isn't native-English, bumm13
2008-05-06 12:30 < WonYong> I am korean
2008-05-06 12:30 < WonYong> here is seoul
2008-05-06 12:30 < bumm13> ok
2008-05-06 12:30 < Demi> i have a crossword clue "Apple tool" and the first thing I thought of "Steve Jobs"
2008-05-06 12:30 < bumm13> lol
2008-05-06 12:30 < WonYong> "criticism of currunt korean president"
2008-05-06 12:30 < bumm13> WonYong: I'm not big on "criticisms of..." articles myself
2008-05-06 12:31 < WonYong> I read it, and I think this is a political attack
2008-05-06 12:32 < The359> well, honestly, I'm not sure how well you can understand it if you aren't fluent in English
2008-05-06 12:32 < The359> you may be misinterpreting
2008-05-06 12:34 < WonYong> I mean criticism <-> praise, attack <-> defense
2008-05-06 12:34 < The359> praise is discussed in the same article
2008-05-06 12:35 < The359> it offers opinions from those who criticise, as well as those who feel the criticisms are wrong
2008-05-06 12:35 < WonYong> I mean criticism <-> praise, attack <-> defense right <-> left south korea <-> north korea white <-> black
2008-05-06 12:36 < The359> yes, I got it the first time
2008-05-06 12:38 < WonYong> If [[criticism about ...]] articles is allowed, Everything, Everyone can be attackted. It is NPOV?
2008-05-06 12:38 < The359> they're not attack articles
2008-05-06 12:38 < The359> you aren't listening
2008-05-06 12:40 < WonYong> recommand essays, pleas
2008-05-06 12:40 < The359> what?
2008-05-06 12:41 < WonYong> [[criticism of Wikipedia:neutral Poin of View]]
2008-05-06 12:41 < The359> We already have an article about Criticism of Wikipedia
2008-05-06 12:42 < WonYong> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Neutral_point_of_view
2008-05-06 12:42 < The359> ok, yes, and?
2008-05-06 12:43 < WonYong> NPOV is a fiction, I think
2008-05-06 12:43 * The359 shrug
2008-05-06 12:43 < The359> still something we can attempt to come close to
2008-05-06 12:44 < The359> better than being biased
2008-05-06 12:44 < Ashfire908> Hi
2008-05-06 12:44 < Ashfire908> erm wrong channel but hi anyway
2008-05-06 12:44 < Lycurgus> yello
2008-05-06 12:45 < Shiroi_Neko> Neutral_point_of_view is a policy in the fictional universe of wikipedia anime/manga serries
2008-05-06 12:45 < WonYong> introduce same example
2008-05-06 12:46 < WonYong> criticism about some
2008-05-06 12:46 < The359> you're not making much sense, WonYong
2008-05-06 12:47 < Lycurgus> WonYong: in Putong hua?
2008-05-06 12:47 < Lycurgus> (pinyin of course)
2008-05-06 12:48 < WonYong> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_George_W_Bush
2008-05-06 12:48 < WonYong> I find
2008-05-06 12:48 < WonYong> :)
2008-05-06 12:49 < WonYong> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_George_W._Bush
2008-05-06 12:49 < Lycurgus> NPOV = Objective ( ke2 guan1)
2008-05-06 12:50 < Lycurgus> the bugaboo of wikidoo
2008-05-06 12:50 < WonYong> I understand "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_something" is allowed
2008-05-06 12:51 < Shiroi_Neko> [[Criticism of criticisms]]
2008-05-06 12:51 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-05-06 12:55 * Working_Cat is now known as CoolBroccoli
2008-05-06 12:55 < Sfan00> hello people
2008-05-06 12:56 < Lycurgus> yello Sfan00, Fabexplosive
2008-05-06 12:56 < Sfan00> Hi Lycurgus
2008-05-06 12:56 < Sfan00> What are the Wikipedia notability Guidelines for religons?
2008-05-06 12:56 < Fabexplosive> hoi Lycurgus and Sfan00
2008-05-06 12:56 < Working_Cat> Sfan00: should have caused atleast 5 riots in the last 10 years
2008-05-06 12:57 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-05-06 12:57 < Lycurgus> made the newz or at least a few thousands adherents would be a good start
2008-05-06 12:57 < Sfan00> Riots are beahivor perpetuated by dirsuptive phreakers
2008-05-06 12:57 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-06 12:57 < Working_Cat> 2/3 hate cribes by/against per annum added bonus
2008-05-06 12:57 < Working_Cat> crimes
2008-05-06 12:57 < Lycurgus> (for "newz" read "beg the question of notablity")
2008-05-06 12:58 < Sfan00> What about minor 'religons' that are nonthless cultrally important ? Like Church ofEmacs?
2008-05-06 12:58 < Demi> a not-bad general rule of thumb is that if there is more than one verifiable source with some study or scholarship of a subject, it can be included
2008-05-06 12:58 < Sfan00> Oh well
2008-05-06 12:58 < Demi> that's a joke that is interesting for an article on emacs
2008-05-06 12:58 < Sfan00> I can't add the First Terran Portal to the Outer Space on enwiki yet then
2008-05-06 12:58 * Shiroi_Neko clicks on Demi's neko mimi mode button
2008-05-06 12:59 < Sfan00> (depsite it's nominal first appearance at the Millenium or soon after)
2008-05-06 12:59 < bumm13> Big eMacs
2008-05-06 12:59 * Shiroi_Neko clicks on bumm13 bum
2008-05-06 12:59 < Shiroi_Neko> it squeeks
2008-05-06 12:59 < Sfan00> bumm13: Eight Megs and Continues to swap ;)
2008-05-06 12:59 < Lycurgus> in the church of emacs there are many cathedrals and not a few bizzares
2008-05-06 13:00 < Sfan00> Lycurgus: In FTP-OS there are many ways to Interface with the Celestial Exchange
2008-05-06 13:00 < Sfan00> Not all Interfaces achive Binary Compatibility though
2008-05-06 13:00 * Shiroi_Neko interfaces using cybernaitcs
2008-05-06 13:01 < Working_Cat> heh, i gave a friend of mine a nasty look once when she said that emacs had something to do with Apple
2008-05-06 13:01 * Shiroi_Neko hacks Sfan00's eyes
2008-05-06 13:01 * Shiroi_Neko forces him to watch porn
2008-05-06 13:01 < Sfan00> Me is immune
2008-05-06 13:01 < Shiroi_Neko> to porn?
2008-05-06 13:01 < Shiroi_Neko> thats what they all say at first
2008-05-06 13:01 < Sfan00> sadly...
2008-05-06 13:02 * Shiroi_Neko switches to tentacle hentai
2008-05-06 13:02 < Sfan00> I tend to see porn as a disgusting exploitation
2008-05-06 13:02 < Sfan00> and some froms on animation in the same light
2008-05-06 13:02 < Sfan00> *forms of
2008-05-06 13:02 < Lycurgus> ah, I thought you were saying you don't have a sexual impulse
2008-05-06 13:02 < Shiroi_Neko> Motion with no sound...
2008-05-06 13:03 < Lycurgus> that would have been really interesting. Prudery is less so.
2008-05-06 13:03 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: only people without impulse think so
2008-05-06 13:03 < Shiroi_Neko> Lycurgus he doesnt
2008-05-06 13:03 < Shiroi_Neko> his balls were surgicaly removed
2008-05-06 13:03 < Sfan00> Lycurgus: Everybody has a sexual reaction to something
2008-05-06 13:03 < Shiroi_Neko> and they were replaced by cotton balls
2008-05-06 13:03 < Shiroi_Neko> Sfan00 reacts to cotton flowers
2008-05-06 13:03 < Working_Cat> soaked in napthalene
2008-05-06 13:03 < Lycurgus> no, there are a small number of people without a sexual impulse
2008-05-06 13:04 < Sfan00> Shiroi_Neko: I am slightly transgender , so don't make 'balls' joke with me
2008-05-06 13:04 < Shiroi_Neko> Sfan00 women have balls too
2008-05-06 13:04 < Lycurgus> as a result of endocrine birth defects
2008-05-06 13:04 < Shiroi_Neko> in their chest
2008-05-06 13:04 < Working_Cat> Shiroi_Neko: wow. you hit a one in a million case.
2008-05-06 13:04 < Sfan00> Lycurgus: They are lucky ;)
2008-05-06 13:06 * Shiroi_Neko clicks on Sfan00's neko mimi mode button
2008-05-06 13:06 < Lycurgus> well, to judge by the best known case, the Nigerian MD in the UK who induced puberty to correct his condition in his 30s, apparently they don't think so.