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2008-05-05 22:14 < SynergeticMag> i could care less, shit happens, and i'm getting back more than most
2008-05-05 22:14 < Monobi> quanticle, yes, but nearly anything the gov't can do, the private sector can do just as well, if not better and for less expense
2008-05-05 22:14 < quanticle> Monobi: False.
2008-05-05 22:14 < Messedrocker> YET! The private sector has private interests
2008-05-05 22:15 < Lucifer_Cat> Monobi: not true
2008-05-05 22:15 < Messedrocker> Which have the potential to screw over the people
2008-05-05 22:15 < quanticle> Monobi: I for one don't like the concept of my sidewalk being a toll road.
2008-05-05 22:15 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: tools do exist to block large amounts of IPs. :)
2008-05-05 22:15 < Monobi> Messedrocker, screw the people, the individual rocks
2008-05-05 22:15 < Krimpet> given a list... which a category would provide.
2008-05-05 22:15 < Lucifer_Cat> do we still need to suffer Paulies on here?
2008-05-05 22:15 < Monobi> :O
2008-05-05 22:15 < Messedrocker> Monobi, the individual would get screwed over as well, by virtue of being part of the people
2008-05-05 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - oh
2008-05-05 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> link?
2008-05-05 22:15 < Krimpet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Misza13/Scripts/massblock.py is one
2008-05-05 22:16 < Monobi> Messedrocker, of course not, you'd do well to read http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm
2008-05-05 22:16 < zocky> no government is good only for the biggest bloke around
2008-05-05 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> is that pywikipediabot?
2008-05-05 22:16 < zocky> it's amazing how many people thnk they're the biggest bloke around
2008-05-05 22:16 < SynergeticMag> Krimpet: is that strictly for admin use only?
2008-05-05 22:16 < quanticle> Monobi: I'd rather have police than the likes of you patrolling my streets.
2008-05-05 22:16 < Lucifer_Cat> well said
2008-05-05 22:16 < Monobi> SynergeticMag, yes, unless you can block people :P
2008-05-05 22:16 < Messedrocker> are cops constitutional? what bullshit
2008-05-05 22:16 < quanticle> Monobi: Granted, I've no love for the cops, but...
2008-05-05 22:16 < Krimpet> SynergeticMag: it's, erm, by its nature only able to be used by admins. :p
2008-05-05 22:17 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: yeah, pywikipedia
2008-05-05 22:17 < Monobi> quanticle, that's dandy, so you can pay for your own
2008-05-05 22:17 < Monobi> ;)
2008-05-05 22:17 < SynergeticMag> which implies otherwise, danke
2008-05-05 22:17 < Monobi> Messedrocker, what a great way to blow off an article with over 450 citations
2008-05-05 22:18 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: its 9 pm.. do you know where your bowl is?
2008-05-05 22:18 < zocky> government is about the people paying their own cops
2008-05-05 22:18 < zocky> and the people telling individuals who don't like that to bugger off
2008-05-05 22:18 < quanticle> Monobi: You don't get it. Police service is like insurance or vaccination. The few who don't like to pitch in get a free ride from those who do, and the system doesn't work unless the vast majority of people pitch in.
2008-05-05 22:18 < SynergeticMag> Lucifer_Cat: define bowl :)
2008-05-05 22:18 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Cricket pitches?
2008-05-05 22:19 * Lucifer_Cat defines bowl by caving in SynergeticMag 's skull with quanticle 's head
2008-05-05 22:19 * quanticle 's head quantum tunnels through SynergeticMag's
2008-05-05 22:19 < Lucifer_Cat> see that shape? anything by that shape you use to eat/drink
2008-05-05 22:19 < Monobi> quanticle, doesn't matter what the majority wants, because I don't want a police force, so I shouldn't be forced to pay for one
2008-05-05 22:19 < Messedrocker> Monobi, I am not criticizing the article's scholarity, I am criticizing its thesis.
2008-05-05 22:19 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: i meant bowl, not chalice ... if you know what i mean ;)
2008-05-05 22:19 < SynergeticMag> quanticle isn't aloud to have a head, its a qubit
2008-05-05 22:20 < Monobi> Moar beer?!
2008-05-05 22:20 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: maybe you really should be allowed to have a spell checker
2008-05-05 22:20 < quanticle> Monobi: Too bad. Allowing your house to be burglarized will have negative externalities of the rest of the neighborhood.
2008-05-05 22:21 < SynergeticMag> erm, which word?
2008-05-05 22:21 < Lucifer_Cat> ok this chan has gotten too violent... lets all calm down.
2008-05-05 22:21 < Monobi> quanticle, no, because I'd protect my private property
2008-05-05 22:21 < Monobi> quanticle, read http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm
2008-05-05 22:21 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qubit
2008-05-05 22:21 < Lucifer_Cat> lets consult therapist_cat
2008-05-05 22:21 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: "aloud"
2008-05-05 22:21 < Lucifer_Cat> its allowed
2008-05-05 22:21 < SynergeticMag> now see....
2008-05-05 22:21 * SynergeticMag takes another sip
2008-05-05 22:21 < SynergeticMag> ok
2008-05-05 22:22 < Lucifer_Cat> XD my physics prof used to call "quantum" a "quandum"
2008-05-05 22:22 < SynergeticMag> what were we taking about again?
2008-05-05 22:22 < quanticle> Monobi: You don't get it, do you? Its only because the rest of society pays for things like police and transportation that you're secure enough to sit at home and play internet tough guy.
2008-05-05 22:22 < Lucifer_Cat> which sounded really close to condom
2008-05-05 22:22 < SynergeticMag> heh
2008-05-05 22:22 < quanticle> Monobi: You're nothing better than a freeloader with that attitude.
2008-05-05 22:22 < Monobi> quanticle, actually, I pay taxes, unlike half this channel
2008-05-05 22:22 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: did you vote this primary?
2008-05-05 22:23 < quanticle> Monobi: So do I. The government takes 25.9% of every paycheck.
2008-05-05 22:23 < Monobi> :O
2008-05-05 22:23 < Monobi> Evil
2008-05-05 22:23 < Lucifer_Cat> so does Lucifer_Cat
2008-05-05 22:23 < Lucifer_Cat> pay taxes that is
2008-05-05 22:23 < quanticle> Monobi: No. I pay it because I know that I'd rather have a government than live in a state like Afghanistan.
2008-05-05 22:23 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: or Utah
2008-05-05 22:23 < Monobi> quanticle, that's what everyone things the alternative would be. But, it would not be
2008-05-05 22:24 < SynergeticMag> quanticle: or Albania
2008-05-05 22:24 < Monobi> Lucifer_Cat, Utah rocks, except for the religious nuts
2008-05-05 22:24 < Lucifer_Cat> Monobi: thanks, but we we would rather not find out.
2008-05-05 22:24 < Monobi> s/things/thinks/
2008-05-05 22:24 < Monobi> Lucifer_Cat, I would like to
2008-05-05 22:24 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Utah doesn't charge taxes?
2008-05-05 22:24 < Messedrocker> Monobi, Utah has only religious nuts, so therefore, there's no reason for Utah to rock
2008-05-05 22:24 < Monobi> Yah free market capitalism
2008-05-05 22:24 < Messedrocker> free market capitalism = exploitation of the people
2008-05-05 22:24 < Monobi> Nah, it has pretty mountains
2008-05-05 22:24 < Messedrocker> the ones who use underhanded tactics will rise to the top
2008-05-05 22:24 < quanticle> Monobi: If you hate taxes so much, you're free to move to a country that doesn't have them. May I suggest the Congo?
2008-05-05 22:24 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: it does. but it still sucks nonetheless.
2008-05-05 22:24 < Messedrocker> and you think they care about people? no, just money
2008-05-05 22:25 < Monobi> Messedrocker, capitalism is the only moral system because it is the only one that doesnt infringe on the rights of others
2008-05-05 22:25 < Lucifer_Cat> Monobi: thats good enough for us
2008-05-05 22:25 < quanticle> Monobi: But don't complain about having a properly functioning society until you've seen what life is like without one.
2008-05-05 22:25 < SynergeticMag> free market capitalism reminds me of Ayn Rand
2008-05-05 22:25 < Monobi> quanticle, or we could go back to America 60 years ago, when we only payed ~5% of our income to the gov't
2008-05-05 22:26 < Monobi> now we work until May to pay off our taxes
2008-05-05 22:26 < Monobi> Lucifer_Cat, :?
2008-05-05 22:26 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: No. Ayn Rand's capitalism isn't free market, since it takes away so much regulation, the market will tend to collapse into monopoly.
2008-05-05 22:26 < Lucifer_Cat> i'd much rather pay taxes for others than pay with my life for speaking out.
2008-05-05 22:26 < Messedrocker> Monobi, the same government that went into a depression that affected the entire world?
2008-05-05 22:26 < Messedrocker> Oh, you said the government 60 years ago.
2008-05-05 22:27 < Messedrocker> As in, under Roosevelt, who was a socialist
2008-05-05 22:27 < Monobi> Messedrocker, 60 years puts us in 1948
2008-05-05 22:27 < zocky> 60 years ago, roosevent was dead
2008-05-05 22:27 < quanticle> Monobi: How so? IIRC, the rich were taxed even more in the past. Frank Sinatra paid over 90% of his income over $75,000 in tax.
2008-05-05 22:27 < zocky> *l
2008-05-05 22:27 < Messedrocker> ok, 65 years
2008-05-05 22:27 < SynergeticMag> wait, so was that Laissez-faire capitalism i was thinking of then quanticle?
2008-05-05 22:27 < Messedrocker> 70 years, if you will
2008-05-05 22:27 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: Indeed.
2008-05-05 22:27 < Monobi> Whatever
2008-05-05 22:27 < SynergeticMag> figures
2008-05-05 22:28 < Lucifer_Cat> great. from being violent to debating taxes. before that, some newbie was discussing his small penis. wtf.
2008-05-05 22:28 < quanticle> Monobi: The issue with unrestricted capitalism is that it tends to collapse into monopoly markets, since the equality of power between producers and consumers isn't actually there.
2008-05-05 22:28 < SynergeticMag> well then, regardless it still reminded me of it ;)
2008-05-05 22:28 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: your turn on 2 maps.
2008-05-05 22:28 < quanticle> Monobi: Producers have a small advantage, since they have more access to information.
2008-05-05 22:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - is there a torlist.txt somewhere?
2008-05-05 22:28 < quanticle> Monobi: This small advantage becomes magnified as producers consolidate, and that's why we need regulation of markets.
2008-05-05 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> I got rickrolled at http://hemlock.ts.wikimedia.org/~krimpet/torlist.txt
2008-05-05 22:29 < Lucifer_Cat> ROFL
2008-05-05 22:29 < Monobi> quanticle, yes, I never said don't regulate the market. But, the market will regulate itself
2008-05-05 22:29 < zocky> quanticle, screw producers and consumers. the simple fact is, wealth and power are related, and the less regulation there is, the more related they are, giving wealthy people the power to skew the system in their favor.
2008-05-05 22:29 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: yeah, the latest copies of my bot don't use that file anymore :s
2008-05-05 22:29 < Messedrocker> Monobi, no it won't.
2008-05-05 22:29 < Krimpet> (my 404 on the TS is set to redirect to rickroll)
2008-05-05 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> well the script you sent me uses a text file
2008-05-05 22:29 * Lucifer_Cat hums along...
2008-05-05 22:29 < quanticle> Monobi: There's evidence to suggest that it won't. Look at things like Standard Oil, for example.
2008-05-05 22:30 < Messedrocker> The market's regulated now and we have Wal-Mart and Microsoft. Can you imagine what an unregulated market would bring!
2008-05-05 22:30 < FastLizard4> Lucifer_Cat: OK
2008-05-05 22:30 < quanticle> Monobi: Or look at Microsoft.
2008-05-05 22:30 < Lucifer_Cat> we re no strangers to love... you know the rules... and so do i
2008-05-05 22:30 < Krimpet> hmm
2008-05-05 22:30 < Krimpet> one sec Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-05 22:30 < zocky> free market tends to monopolies and the dictatorship of the rich, just like water tends to go down
2008-05-05 22:30 < Lucifer_Cat> iiiiiiiiii just wanna tell you how im feeling
2008-05-05 22:30 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, nuts to you, I could get that from any other guy
2008-05-05 22:30 < Lucifer_Cat> never gonna give you up
2008-05-05 22:30 < Monobi> quanticle, what about it? They can do as they please. Their only responsibility is to deliver a profit to shareholders
2008-05-05 22:31 < quanticle> Monobi: Right. But what's good for the shareholders is not necessarily what's good for the market or society.
2008-05-05 22:31 < Messedrocker> Monobi, which brings us the flaw to free market capitalism. All businesses want to do is profit. They have no regard for the welfare of people.
2008-05-05 22:31 < zocky> exactly
2008-05-05 22:31 * Lucifer_Cat is sick. He clicked that link knowing very well that it was a rick roll
2008-05-05 22:31 < zocky> that's how you make free-market capitalism moral
2008-05-05 22:31 * Lucifer_Cat is now tapping his feet
2008-05-05 22:31 < Monobi> Messedrocker, why should they have any regard for the welfare of the people?
2008-05-05 22:31 < zocky> by reducing a person's responsibility to self-interest
2008-05-05 22:31 < quanticle> Monobi: You're familiar with deadweight losses due to monopoly power.
2008-05-05 22:31 < Messedrocker> Monobi, as they would effectively replace the government in an unregulated economy
2008-05-05 22:31 < Monobi> Messedrocker, why should they have any regard for the welfare of the people?
2008-05-05 22:31 < Lucifer_Cat> ooooo..... GIVE YOU UP!
2008-05-05 22:32 < Messedrocker> Monobi, as they would effectively replace the government in an unregulated economy
2008-05-05 22:32 < SynergeticMag> enough RICKROLL
2008-05-05 22:32 < SynergeticMag> ack
2008-05-05 22:32 < zocky> monobi, why should the people have any regard for their welfare. why shouldn't the people just take their wealth away?
2008-05-05 22:32 < Messedrocker> Regulation is how the government has power. Total deregulation would mean the government has no power over businesses, and they are left to their own devices of profit
2008-05-05 22:32 < Messedrocker> and just profit
2008-05-05 22:32 < Lucifer_Cat> gotta make you understand...
2008-05-05 22:32 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: I'm not sure this would work well, though - how long do you plan to block these IPs for?
2008-05-05 22:32 < Monobi> Messedrocker, of course, the government shouldn't have power. They are evil. See http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm .
2008-05-05 22:32 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: permanently
2008-05-05 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - 24 hours
2008-05-05 22:32 < Monobi> 12 hours
2008-05-05 22:33 < zocky> the only reason that capitalism can exist is that governments enforce property laws and contracts
2008-05-05 22:33 < quanticle> Monobi: Its provable that the most efficient allocation of resource occurs in a free market, with many producers and many consumers. Unfortunately, unrestricted free markets tend to collapse into monopoly situations without government intervention.
2008-05-05 22:33 < Messedrocker> Monobi, you do know that the Constitution was written so that there would be a government instead of the hodge-podge of a non-government that existed under the Articles of Confederation.
2008-05-05 22:33 < zocky> there's no money without government
2008-05-05 22:33 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: ah - in that case, I suggest commenting out the line: User.unblock('tweaking block settings')
2008-05-05 22:33 * Lucifer_Cat bans Monobi for being a flambouyant paulie
2008-05-05 22:33 < Krimpet> that way, you'll leave the existing longer blocks alone
2008-05-05 22:33 < Monobi> Messedrocker, of course, but it was suppose to limit government
2008-05-05 22:33 * Monobi O_O's Lucifer_Cat
2008-05-05 22:33 * Cyrius bans a bunch of people for another stupid economics argument
2008-05-05 22:34 < Monobi> Cyrius, do it!
2008-05-05 22:34 < Monobi> Make sure you take out the others with me!
2008-05-05 22:34 < quanticle> Cyrius: But economics arguments are fun.
2008-05-05 22:34 < Messedrocker> Cyrius, I blame the Paulie
2008-05-05 22:34 < Monobi> I blame the Socialists
2008-05-05 22:34 < quanticle> Monobi: Heh. That's the intellectual equivalent of a suicide bombing.
2008-05-05 22:34 < Messedrocker> This is actually the second time today I've had to debate someone about free market capitalism.
2008-05-05 22:34 < zocky> monobi, ah but the others are not advancing stupid arguments ;)
2008-05-05 22:34 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Both times on IRC?
2008-05-05 22:34 < Monobi> quanticle, :-D
2008-05-05 22:34 < Messedrocker> quanticle, the first time on Google Talk
2008-05-05 22:34 < Messedrocker> with Andy123
2008-05-05 22:34 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Ah.
2008-05-05 22:35 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: as much fun as an compiler construction lecture covering LR-1 grammar
2008-05-05 22:35 < Messedrocker> he's, how you say, very pragmatic
2008-05-05 22:35 < Lucifer_Cat> do the others here know Andy?
2008-05-05 22:35 < Messedrocker> aka Nearly Headless Nick
2008-05-05 22:35 < Cyrius> so how about them...articles?
2008-05-05 22:36 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: No, they're a little bit more fun than that. I'd say they're up there with arguments about the proper uses of sorting algorithms.
2008-05-05 22:36 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: vandlize them what else
2008-05-05 22:36 < quanticle> Cyrius: They're vandalized. Like usual.
2008-05-05 22:36 * jdelanoy O_O's Cyrius for actually talking about Wikipedia on #wikipedia
2008-05-05 22:36 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: THOSE are way more exciting. esp when you have someone who knows his algos and disagrees with you
2008-05-05 22:37 * Lucifer_Cat actually almost had a fight in class once over using one algo or the other
2008-05-05 22:37 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Especially when you get down to trying to quantify the constant term elements, and start criticizing his implementation for having too much overhead.
2008-05-05 22:37 * Lucifer_Cat snickers.
2008-05-05 22:37 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: What can I say? Great minds think alike.
2008-05-05 22:38 < Lucifer_Cat> I used lots of special cases and non cs applications as examples to frustrate him
2008-05-05 22:38 < zocky> free market ideology is hopelessly "reductionist". it's the idea that if the single operation has one property, in this case "fairness", than the whole system will have that property, and that no new properties can arise from the complexity. claiming that capitalism isn't unfair because each single contract/transaction isnt' affair it's like claiming that water isn't wet, because individual molecules aren't wet.
2008-05-05 22:38 < quanticle> zocky: Well put.
2008-05-05 22:38 < zocky> s/affair/unfair/
2008-05-05 22:39 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Take a look at the Middle East map now
2008-05-05 22:39 < FastLizard4> Lucifer_Cat: ^
2008-05-05 22:39 < Lucifer_Cat> I've found that the best approach to countering the Algorithms guy is to use the "Industry Approach"
2008-05-05 22:40 < quanticle> zocky: I'd also throw in the fact that unrestricted free market capitalism is a necessarily "high energy" state, and tends to collapse into a state with "lower energy", i.e. monopolies.
2008-05-05 22:41 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: that reminds me, sorry i had to kick you out of turkey.
2008-05-05 22:41 < FastLizard4> ohai privatemusings :)
2008-05-05 22:41 < zocky> quanticle, which tend to end in either dictatorship or revolution, but in any case with a bunch of people put against the wall
2008-05-05 22:41 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Its ok. I gave you permission, remember?
2008-05-05 22:41 < privatemusings> g'day cats 'n lizards (and everyone else...)
2008-05-05 22:41 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: yeah, but my armies were rather ruthless :P
2008-05-05 22:41 < quanticle> FastLizard4: You do realize those gains are untenable, right? There's no way you can defend your holdings.
2008-05-05 22:42 < FastLizard4> quanticle: It prevents you from getting reinforcements
2008-05-05 22:42 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Meh. I was actually hoping for that. I knew I had five armies that I wouldn't be able to use, so my hope was that they wouldn't do too much damage to you.
2008-05-05 22:42 < zocky> don't tell me you're playing diplomacy over email
2008-05-05 22:42 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: he wasnt holding the whole continent anyways
2008-05-05 22:42 < FastLizard4> Lucifer_Cat: Yes he was
2008-05-05 22:43 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: not in this round
2008-05-05 22:43 < Lucifer_Cat> afaik
2008-05-05 22:43 < quanticle> FastLizard4: That it does, but remeber, I still hold most the "Near East" region. If I can maintain my grip there, I get a huge bonus.
2008-05-05 22:43 < Lucifer_Cat> unless he recaptured arabia in this round
2008-05-05 22:43 < zocky> ok, so not diplomacy
2008-05-05 22:43 < zocky> what are you playing?
2008-05-05 22:43 < FastLizard4> Lucifer_Cat: No, look at the logs
2008-05-05 22:43 < FastLizard4> zocky: Online Risk
2008-05-05 22:43 < zocky> zomg, not risk
2008-05-05 22:43 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I had, but I expected to lose it. I'm pursuing the Russian strategy, you see.
2008-05-05 22:43 < zocky> is it interminable like real-life risk?
2008-05-05 22:44 < FastLizard4> zocky: ....
2008-05-05 22:44 < quanticle> zocky: Kind of. Its like Risk, but the map is of the Middle East only.
2008-05-05 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> ah. like i did before that. me and lizzy went to and fro on a bunker for 3-4 rounds once
2008-05-05 22:44 < zocky> can anyone actually win the game?
2008-05-05 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> zocky: not really.
2008-05-05 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> oops wrong timing
2008-05-05 22:44 < quanticle> FastLizard4: Not to mention that I have cards to cash in too.
2008-05-05 22:44 < zocky> ok, so the same as table risk
2008-05-05 22:44 < FastLizard4> quanticle: I know that
2008-05-05 22:45 < FastLizard4> zocky: Actually, it is pretty much table risk
2008-05-05 22:45 < FastLizard4> www.conquerclub.com
2008-05-05 22:45 < Lucifer_Cat> zocky: not really. the most epic game i've played lasted 16 rounds i guess.
2008-05-05 22:45 < zocky> we stopped playing risk after games got to about 17 hours
2008-05-05 22:45 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Still, It prevents you from getting some reinforcements
2008-05-05 22:45 < FastLizard4> zocky: This game has been going on for /four days/
2008-05-05 22:46 < zocky> FastLizard4, yeah, but you do other stuff while you're playing
2008-05-05 22:46 < quanticle> FastLizard4: That's true, but as long as I can recapture at least one of those territories, you don't get reinforcements either. And you have far more territory to defend.
2008-05-05 22:46 < Messedrocker> TIME BOMB SET. GET OUT FAST !!
2008-05-05 22:46 * Messedrocker cues the countdown and the scary music
2008-05-05 22:46 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Terrorists win?
2008-05-05 22:46 < Messedrocker> no, quanticle, Samus wins. But time bomb set, so get out fast!
2008-05-05 22:46 * FastLizard4 points a banphaser at Messedrocker and kindly asks for him to unset the bomb
2008-05-05 22:46 < zocky> they hate our civil libraries!
2008-05-05 22:47 < quanticle> zocky: O NOES! Not the libraries! Where will I get books from now?
2008-05-05 22:47 < FastLizard4> zocky: :O
2008-05-05 22:47 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Wikipedia :P
2008-05-05 22:48 * FastLizard4 looks for the nuclear wessels
2008-05-05 22:50 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: your turn
2008-05-05 22:50 < FastLizard4> Messedrocker: Where's this bomb you've told us so much about?
2008-05-05 22:50 < quanticle> FastLizard4: THE BOMB HAS BEEN PLANTED
2008-05-05 22:50 < quanticle> ...
2008-05-05 22:50 < quanticle> ...
2008-05-05 22:50 < quanticle> ...
2008-05-05 22:50 < quanticle> TERRORISTS WIN
2008-05-05 22:50 < FastLizard4> XD
2008-05-05 22:51 < Lucifer_Cat> THE TERRORISTS HAVE ATTACKED OUR IMAGINATION
2008-05-05 22:51 < Warpath> oi?
2008-05-05 22:51 < FastLizard4> :O
2008-05-05 22:51 < Cyrius> imaaaaaginaaaation
2008-05-05 22:51 < zocky> damn terrorists and their love of lizards
2008-05-05 22:51 < zocky> or is that terrarists?
2008-05-05 22:51 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: What, you don't have imaginary fighter aircraft too shoot them down?
2008-05-05 22:53 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: i have an imaginary gf, imaginary friends and imaginary Matrix control panel... but nope.. no imaginary fighter aircraft or armies or anything of that sort.
2008-05-05 22:53 < zocky> tarotists support youth in asia. it's a mindset caused by all the violins on TV.
2008-05-05 22:53 < FastLizard4|Food> Lucifer_Cat: Say it with me, ``Photon torpedo''
2008-05-05 22:53 < Fennec> mmm, violin
2008-05-05 22:53 < Lucifer_Cat> i dont even have an imaginary got... all my gods are real ones XD
2008-05-05 22:53 < Lucifer_Cat> Gods
2008-05-05 22:53 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Well, set up some imaginary aircraft factories, and open an imaginary recruitment center.
2008-05-05 22:53 < Lucifer_Cat> damn, im going to Hell for that
2008-05-05 22:53 < Lucifer_Cat> now wait....
2008-05-05 22:54 * Cyrius just imagines some giant robots
2008-05-05 22:54 < Lucifer_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: maybe i could have lots and lots of imaginary sex and raise an army
2008-05-05 22:54 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: TMI
2008-05-05 22:54 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: An army of clones?
2008-05-05 22:55 < Messedrocker> i just had a bad ass round
2008-05-05 22:55 < Fennec> an army of cologne!
2008-05-05 22:55 < Lucifer_Cat> how i wish someone could have imagines some giant shape shifting robots who could have driven into imaginationland
2008-05-05 22:55 < zocky> Imagine all the people living life in piss
2008-05-05 22:56 < quanticle> Fennec: Oh no! Its the army of Cologne! They're fresh scented supersoldiers, ready to kill!
2008-05-05 22:56 < Lucifer_Cat> if smells could kill
2008-05-05 22:57 < Lucifer_Cat> if scents could kill rather
2008-05-05 22:57 < Messedrocker> FastLizard4|Food, your turn
2008-05-05 22:59 * quanticle imagines some of the 8-wheeled armored vehicles out of Appleseed.
2008-05-05 22:59 < Lucifer_Cat> heh last time Lizzy could not defeat my 3 with his 5/+
2008-05-05 22:59 * Lucifer_Cat imagines The Centurions
2008-05-05 22:59 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Which game?
2008-05-05 22:59 < zocky> <<Boris victory signals major change in British-EU relations>>
2008-05-05 22:59 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: Soviet Russia
2008-05-05 22:59 < zocky> yeah, we'll just kick them out one of these days
2008-05-05 23:00 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Game number?
2008-05-05 23:00 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2367273
2008-05-05 23:00 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: shhhh
2008-05-05 23:00 < quanticle> zocky: Wait, who's Boris? And where did he get elected?
2008-05-05 23:00 < zocky> quanticle, the new mayor of london
2008-05-05 23:00 < zocky> <<Boris wins: Europe trembles>>
2008-05-05 23:00 < zocky> haha
2008-05-05 23:00 < Lucifer_Cat> is Yeltsin still alive? i cant remember
2008-05-05 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> no
2008-05-05 23:00 < zocky> probably 95% of people in europe haven't heard of his election :)
2008-05-05 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> he died a couple years ago
2008-05-05 23:01 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah i vaguely remember
2008-05-05 23:01 < quanticle> zocky: Is that the dude who dressed up in a monkey suit?
2008-05-05 23:01 < gwern> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User:Gurch&curid=15522099&diff=210475436&oldid=210475104 <-- what?
2008-05-05 23:01 * Lucifer_Cat remembers a lot more clearly now
2008-05-05 23:01 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, but his body still looks the same as the day he died, and several years before that
2008-05-05 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, someone impress me
2008-05-05 23:02 < Ceiling_Cat> the russian revolution of 1917 -- who was the last surviving of the leaders of that coup?
2008-05-05 23:02 * Lucifer_Cat sits his 10 tonne ass on Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-05 23:02 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Bukharin?
2008-05-05 23:02 < zocky> which revolution of 1917?
2008-05-05 23:02 < zocky> there were two
2008-05-05 23:02 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: khrushev?
2008-05-05 23:02 * gwern discovers faildog.com
2008-05-05 23:02 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: trotsky survived lenin, no?
2008-05-05 23:02 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Georgy Malenkov]]
2008-05-05 23:03 < quanticle> zocky: The Bolshevik one, I'd assume. The Bolshies deposed the previous revolutionary government pretty quickly.
2008-05-05 23:03 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Really? Bukharin died before that dude?
2008-05-05 23:03 < gwern> wow, survived to 1988
2008-05-05 23:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Bukharin went against the wall, according to The Wikipedia, in 1938
2008-05-05 23:04 < gwern> so basically he nearly saw the whole damn thing, beginning to end
2008-05-05 23:04 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, I wouldn't say he was aexactly a leader
2008-05-05 23:04 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, he was 15 at the time of the revolution
2008-05-05 23:04 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Bukharing was executed? I thought he was one of the few generals Stalin kept alive.
2008-05-05 23:04 < quanticle> *Bukharin
2008-05-05 23:04 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/post/32746898 <-- fail
2008-05-05 23:05 < gwern> quanticle: maybe you're thinking of Zhukov
2008-05-05 23:05 < gwern> (war nerd just did a column on'im, incidentally)
2008-05-05 23:05 < quanticle> gwern: Yeah. Perhaps that's it. Zhukhov was the hero of Kursk, right?
2008-05-05 23:06 < Lucifer_Cat> When Soviet People’s Commissar for Foreign Affairs Vyacheslav Molotov claimed in radio broadcasts that the Soviet Union was not dropping bombs but rather delivering food to the starving Finns, the Finns started to call the air bombs Molotov bread baskets.[2] Soon they responded by attacking advancing tanks with “Molotov cocktails.”
2008-05-05 23:06 < gwern> quanticle: dunno
2008-05-05 23:07 < zocky> i should write [[Vladimir Zhdanov]] one of these days
2008-05-05 23:07 * Lucifer_Cat declares http://faildogs.com/post/32746898 as an epic win for Cat Comrades
2008-05-05 23:07 < quanticle> gwern: Can you get through to the eXile's website right now? When I try to connect, I get a DNS error.
2008-05-05 23:07 < zocky> there's a bunch of notible zhdanovs, and the only article we have is for andrei
2008-05-05 23:07 < gwern> 'This led to the decisive Battle of Khalkhin Gol.....For this operation Zhukov was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Outside of the Soviet Union, however, this battle remained little-known as by this time World War II had begun. Zhukov's pioneering use of mobile armour went unheeded by the West, and in consequence the German Blitzkrieg against France in 1940 came as a great surprise.'
2008-05-05 23:08 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: http://faildogs.com/post/31480548
2008-05-05 23:08 < quanticle> gwern: Heh. Most innovative strategems are like that. The side that uses them the first usually ignores them, and its either the losing side or a third party that picks up the tactic and uses it to devastating effect.
2008-05-05 23:08 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/post/31154714 <-- fail here is of owner, just to be clear
2008-05-05 23:09 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: [[Citation Needed]]
2008-05-05 23:09 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/post/30796521 <-- fail - or forbidden love?
2008-05-05 23:10 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: you will appreciate the sickeningly cute irony of this one: http://faildogs.com/post/30686544
2008-05-05 23:10 * Lucifer_Cat snickers
2008-05-05 23:10 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/post/30484443 <-- and now for something completely different
2008-05-05 23:11 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/post/29915275 <-- looking at this image, I find myself wondering: whose the fail, whose teh win?
2008-05-05 23:12 * Cyrius just can't muster amusement for faildogs
2008-05-05 23:13 < gwern> Cyrius: not even for... dog-riding monkeys? http://faildogs.com/post/29490816
2008-05-05 23:13 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Hmmm, the use of tanks, for one, fits that pattern. The allies invented the tank rush tactic at the end of World War 1, but the tactic, and, indeed, tanks themselves were dismissed as a novelty. It wasn't until the German's used Blitzkrieg (which they picked up from the Soviets) that the rest of the world learned what tanks could really do. The same applies to aircraft, as well. At the end of World War 1, the Allies had better
2008-05-05 23:13 < Cyrius> gwern: there's no amusement added to that by labelling it
2008-05-05 23:14 < gwern> Cyrius: then presumably you are never amused by Ralph from the Simpsons?
2008-05-05 23:14 < Cyrius> ralph doesn't just run around saying "FAIL"
2008-05-05 23:15 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/post/28227121 <-- ok, surely there's a photoshop or something equally suspicious going on here
2008-05-05 23:15 < gwern> Cyrius: but he does go around stating the obvious
2008-05-05 23:16 < Cyrius> stating the obvious can be amusing if done cleverly
2008-05-05 23:16 < Cyrius> repeating "FAIL" isn't clever
2008-05-05 23:17 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/post/27496549 <-- bonus points for using fool's mate for the checkmate
2008-05-05 23:18 < zocky> A front seat car passenger was photographed baring his backside at a speed camera in Northumberland. Police may take action against the man for public order offences and not wearing a seat belt.
2008-05-05 23:18 < bbot> quit posting so many links
2008-05-05 23:18 < quanticle> bbot: You're not being forced to click on them.
2008-05-05 23:18 < Cyrius> gwern: the picture is clever, the labelling isn't
2008-05-05 23:19 < bbot> quanticle: They are aesthetically unpleasing.
2008-05-05 23:19 < gwern> bbot: I'll stop posting links when this isn't #wikipedia; I've been here and doing what I do since '04, I'm not going to stop because you occasionally whine at me
2008-05-05 23:19 * Lucifer_Cat whistles... cool
2008-05-05 23:19 < quanticle> bbot: They're text, just like everything else in this channel. Besides, at least they're ASCII encoded.
2008-05-05 23:20 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: You read my flood?
2008-05-05 23:20 < Lucifer_Cat> bbot: write a script to suppress links
2008-05-05 23:20 < Leslie_S> http://www.complaintremover.com/
2008-05-05 23:20 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: did
2008-05-05 23:20 < zocky> "Not only is it disrespectful, but distasteful and offensive, particularly to children who may have been exposed to this nonsense."
2008-05-05 23:20 < Leslie_S> LOL, thats an interesting SEO business model..
2008-05-05 23:20 < Lucifer_Cat> you have any non nazi examples
2008-05-05 23:20 < Lucifer_Cat> ?
2008-05-05 23:20 < zocky> yeah, it's always the children that are most offended by somebody showing his ass in public
2008-05-05 23:21 < Lucifer_Cat> zocky: children are the WMDs of such arguments
2008-05-05 23:21 * gwern posts some offensive material
2008-05-05 23:21 < gwern> 'Actually bescumber is just one of many words in the English language that basically mean “to spray with poo”. These are: BEDUNG, BERAY, IMMERD, SHARNY, and the good ol’ SHITTEN. In special cases, you can use BEMUTE (specifically means to drop poo on someone from great height), SHARD-BORN (born in dung), and FIMICOLOUS (living and growing on crap).'
2008-05-05 23:22 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Speaking of removing links from search engines: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/05/1617230
2008-05-05 23:22 < gwern> 'Oh, and if you want to say poo without looking like you're saying it, you can use ORDURE, DEJECTION, and EXCRETA. To mean something more specific, you can use MECONIUM (first feces of a newborn child), MELAENA or MELENA (the abnormally tarry feces containing blood from gastrointestinal bleeding), LIENTERY (diarrhea with undigested or partially digested food), and STEATORRHEA (fatty stool that's hard to flush down).'
2008-05-05 23:22 < FastLizard4|Food> ...
2008-05-05 23:22 < quanticle> gwern: Can't you see that FastLizard4|Food is eating here?
2008-05-05 23:22 < gwern> 'Let's end entry number two with these two amazing words COPREMESIS and MISERERE, both of which mean fecal vomiting. Yes, fecal vomiting. It's a medical emergency caused by the obstruction of the bowel'
2008-05-05 23:22 < bbot> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/wired27b/~3/284271488/how-much-file-s.html
2008-05-05 23:23 < The359> now who's posting links?
2008-05-05 23:23 < bbot> The359: I am in favor of hypocrisy
2008-05-05 23:23 < bbot> Much like Satan.
2008-05-05 23:23 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4|Food: your turn
2008-05-05 23:23 < FastLizard4|Food> bbot: At least say what it is when posing it
2008-05-05 23:23 < FastLizard4|Food> Lucifer_Cat: ok, will get to it in a minute
2008-05-05 23:23 < gwern> bbot: you say that, but I happen to know you are perfectly consistent and integral in your private and public lives!
2008-05-05 23:23 < Lucifer_Cat> bbot: i am Satan, and i do not approve of your links
2008-05-05 23:24 < bbot> FastLizard4|Food: It concerns the proportion of global bandwidth used by file sharing, and the methodologies used to determine it.
2008-05-05 23:24 < quanticle> gwern: Is "I am a hypocrite," one of those self contradictory statements like "I am a liar?"
2008-05-05 23:24 < bbot> gwern: My disguise, rent asunder!
2008-05-05 23:25 < bbot> Lucifer_Cat: I have no snappy comeback on this one.
2008-05-05 23:25 < FastLizard4|Food> bbot: Ahh, I have seen reports on that
2008-05-05 23:25 < gwern> quanticle: only if you insist they have to not be a liar, in which case you're in something of a pickle
2008-05-05 23:25 < gwern> bbot: aroint thee, rapscallion!
2008-05-05 23:25 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4|Food: sorry its still my turn, i forgot
2008-05-05 23:26 < quanticle> gwern: Hmm. Does hypocrite => liar?
2008-05-05 23:26 < bbot> I would think that hypocrisy is a subset of lying.
2008-05-05 23:26 < gwern> quanticle: strictly speaking, I think you can be hypocritical and not a liar
2008-05-05 23:26 < bbot> lol
2008-05-05 23:26 < denelson83> Hypocrisy is also known as "lying to yourself"
2008-05-05 23:27 < quanticle> denelson83: No. That's refusing to acknowledge that you're a hypocrite.
2008-05-05 23:27 < gwern> quanticle: since then you get into the is/ought distinction - just because I say 'all women should be heterosexual' and I then go out and fornicate with another woman does not necessarily render my statement a lie, I don't think
2008-05-05 23:28 < bbot> http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/?p=235
2008-05-05 23:28 < gwern> it shows that maybe my willpower is way too weak, or a number of other things, only one of which is 'I was lying and I actually think it's alright to commit sodomy with other women'
2008-05-05 23:28 < bbot> Apparently projectors are full of fans.
2008-05-05 23:28 < quanticle> gwern: I had my fill of philosophy after debating the existence of self-contradicting statements with Schroeder one day.
2008-05-05 23:28 < bbot> I did not know this!
2008-05-05 23:28 < quanticle> bbot: Well, those lights get damn warm.
2008-05-05 23:29 < gwern> bbot: what did you think the noise was coming from? busy circuits?
2008-05-05 23:29 < gwern> quanticle: sounds like fun. schroeder is saner than someone like kurt, at least
2008-05-05 23:29 < quanticle> gwern: Schroeder == Kurt.
2008-05-05 23:29 < bbot> I knew that there was a fan to cool the electronics, I did not think that there would be five.
2008-05-05 23:30 < gwern> quanticle: wait what
2008-05-05 23:30 < denelson83> So, if you're called a fan, does that make you cool? ;)
2008-05-05 23:30 < quanticle> bbot: Again, those bulbs reach hundreds of degrees Farenheit.
2008-05-05 23:30 < denelson83> s/Farenheit/Celsius/
2008-05-05 23:31 < gwern> so kurt got himself unbanned and is now going under schroeder? wtf
2008-05-05 23:31 < gwern> how are the chanops allowing this?
2008-05-05 23:32 < quanticle> gwern: Well, to be fair, Schroeder is on autoremove right now, but that was put into place not three days ago.
2008-05-05 23:33 < gwern> quanticle: yeah, but he'd been around quite a bit before that
2008-05-05 23:33 < gwern> he wasn't pushing his weirdo objectivism under the schroeder nick, that I saw, but still
2008-05-05 23:34 < quanticle> gwern: Oh he was. He was worse (much worse) than Monobi.
2008-05-05 23:34 < FastLizard4|Food> OMG
2008-05-05 23:34 < FastLizard4|Food> The FBI called bstone!
2008-05-05 23:34 < gwern> what?
2008-05-05 23:34 < quanticle> gwern: One of the reasons I enjoy poking around with Monobi so much is because I challenged Schroeder.
2008-05-05 23:34 < FastLizard4|Food> He reported http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northwest_Airlines&curid=146068&diff=210453742&oldid=210185999 to the DOD
2008-05-05 23:34 < FastLizard4|Food> and the FBI called
2008-05-05 23:34 < FastLizard4|Food> and he's talking to them now
2008-05-05 23:34 < Soxred93> OMG
2008-05-05 23:35 < FastLizard4|Food> no, not the DOD, the DHS
2008-05-05 23:35 < FastLizard4|Food> he reported the edit to the DHS and the FBI called him
2008-05-05 23:35 < quanticle> FastLizard4|Food: Wait, did he revert the edit, or did he report it?
2008-05-05 23:35 < FastLizard4|Food> quanticle: He reported it to the DHS
2008-05-05 23:35 < quanticle> FastLizard4|Food: Whoa.
2008-05-05 23:35 < Soxred93> see, this is why I don't like to get involved.
2008-05-05 23:35 < Soxred93> I don't want to get called by the FBI
2008-05-05 23:36 < FastLizard4|Food> Wikinewsies, report!
2008-05-05 23:36 < gwern> hm. so now do we hope the attacks happen, or not?
2008-05-05 23:36 < quanticle> Soxred93: Yeah. The 9/11 terrorists did not announce their intentions on Wikipedia.
2008-05-05 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> ann arbor IP
2008-05-05 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> must be a bored student
2008-05-05 23:36 < quanticle> gwern: Well, lets put it this way. Edits can be reverted. Terrorist attacks cannot.
2008-05-05 23:36 < Soxred93> If only they could.
2008-05-05 23:36 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Ann Arbor you said?
2008-05-05 23:37 * quanticle looks around for Leslie_S
2008-05-05 23:37 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation on 98.209.19.187
2008-05-05 23:37 < gwern> on the one hand, 'we reported it first!' is neat; on the other hand, I can't imagine what would happen legally to WP if the attack ocurred
2008-05-05 23:37 < FastLizard4|Food> gwern: Nothing
2008-05-05 23:37 < The359> why would we be in legal trouble?
2008-05-05 23:38 < FastLizard4|Food> (this is where wikiEN-l comes in handy)
2008-05-05 23:38 < The359> Terrorists send threats to media organizations all the time
2008-05-05 23:38 < Leslie_S> WTF to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northwest_Airlines&curid=146068&diff=210453742&oldid=210185999
2008-05-05 23:38 < gwern> FastLizard4|Food: given the stuff that went down after 9/11, I could easily see at the very least anon edits getting banned, if not something more drastic like safe harbor being revoked
2008-05-05 23:38 < Leslie_S> but as if osama is using comcast in michigan..
2008-05-05 23:39 < gwern> The359: media organizations are lapdogs of those in power, and so they have a vested interest in protecting them
2008-05-05 23:39 < Lucifer_Cat> lol thats what i said
2008-05-05 23:39 < gwern> michigan - economically depressed area, no?
2008-05-05 23:39 < Leslie_S> gwern yes, but clearly osama is in detroit!
2008-05-05 23:39 < FastLizard4|Food> From WikiEN-l: ``...Wikimedia argues that under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, operators of "interactive computer services" such as Wikipedia cannot be held liable for users' comments.''
2008-05-05 23:39 < Leslie_S> gwern could be a proxy though..
2008-05-05 23:39 < FastLizard4|Food> gwern: See what I said last
2008-05-05 23:39 < Leslie_S> Osama clearly lives in a cave in detroit. WITH WIFI!
2008-05-05 23:40 < Leslie_S> quanticle why are you looking for me? i'm not in ann arbor....
2008-05-05 23:40 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Heh. Well, given that downtown Detroit is already a war zone, its not as implausible as it seems.
2008-05-05 23:40 < gwern> FastLizard4|Food: yeah, but look at the legislation that passed because of 9/11. neutering section 230 with that much mojo would be trivial
2008-05-05 23:40 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I know. I was exaggerating.
2008-05-05 23:40 < Leslie_S> quanticle is downtown detroit that bad? ive never actually been there.
2008-05-05 23:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Leslie_S: Is proxy: false
2008-05-05 23:41 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: stop being paranoid. and learn to love the law.
2008-05-05 23:42 * FastLizard4|Food puts up a large sign on the Wikipedia Main Page reading ``Section 230!''
2008-05-05 23:42 * Lucifer_Cat goes off to make a strange love.
2008-05-05 23:42 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I was visiting friends in the area, and we stayed out too late in downtown Detroit once. We didn't hear any gunshots, but there were plenty of... unsavory characters walking around.
2008-05-05 23:42 * Lucifer_Cat suggests [[Section 230]] be made and made into an FA
2008-05-05 23:43 < gwern> hm. 'rule 230: no matter what rule 34 you see, it's not our fault'
2008-05-05 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: i had that experience in Atlanta downtown. AT NINE IN THE NIGHT
2008-05-05 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: rofl
2008-05-05 23:44 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: worthy of an image macro
2008-05-05 23:44 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: alas, I lack mad skillzor in that area
2008-05-05 23:45 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Heh. You do realize that, by "stayed out too late", I meant, "Stayed out past sundown," right?
2008-05-05 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> heh
2008-05-05 23:46 < Arwen> What's the deal with Simple Engrish Wikipedo? I can barely understand what the articles are saying. How is that a useful feature?
2008-05-05 23:47 < Arwen> Like, they're the same as the normal articles, only they make you feel dumb and lack any sense or coherency
2008-05-05 23:47 * gwern immortalizes my quip: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User%3ARaul654%2FRaul's_laws&diff=210492945&oldid=210376501
2008-05-05 23:48 < FastLizard4|Food> Ewwwww
2008-05-05 23:48 < FastLizard4|Food> gwern uses the secure server :P
2008-05-05 23:49 < gwern> what's wrong with that?
2008-05-05 23:49 < gwern> everyone should use it
2008-05-05 23:50 < gwern> security by default mon
2008-05-05 23:50 < Leslie_S> secure? wtf?
2008-05-05 23:50 < gwern> '<gwern> when your only tool is birth control, every problem looks like
2008-05-05 23:50 < gwern> something you can safely have sex with
2008-05-05 23:51 < bbot> hot
2008-05-05 23:51 < quanticle> gwern: Its just an alternative formulation of Rule 34.
2008-05-05 23:52 < gwern> '<ral315> It's hard to reply to an OTRS e-mail: I'm sorry your daughter saw an erect penis with a piece of metal through the urethra on our site.'
2008-05-05 23:52 < Ral315> Damn, did I actually get bashed on that one? Wow...
2008-05-05 23:52 < Leslie_S> gwern lols
2008-05-05 23:52 < Ral315> That's what you get for letting your daughter search for "Prince Albert"
2008-05-05 23:53 < denelson83> in a can
2008-05-05 23:53 < Ral315> denelson83, no, Prince Albert in a dick.
2008-05-05 23:54 < denelson83> O_O
2008-05-05 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: i vandalized your entry
2008-05-05 23:56 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: aw
2008-05-05 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> check it out
2008-05-05 23:58 < Lucifer_Cat> "0. The zeroeth law of Wikipedia - The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work."
2008-05-05 23:58 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: you lying bastard
2008-05-05 23:58 < Lucifer_Cat> Awesome
2008-05-05 23:58 < gwern> you said image macro, not raul's laws
2008-05-05 23:58 < Lucifer_Cat> fame in either case XD
2008-05-05 23:59 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: look at my nick
2008-05-05 23:59 < Lucifer_Cat> and think for a moment.
2008-05-06 00:01 * Lucifer_Cat is surprised theres no mention of cabals or jimbo on the wikipedias version of godwins law
2008-05-06 00:01 < quanticle> Anyway, I'm off for the night.
2008-05-06 00:01 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: I don't see what Im supposed to see
2008-05-06 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> what
2008-05-06 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> oh
2008-05-06 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> Lucifer = satan
2008-05-06 00:02 < gwern> yes...?
2008-05-06 00:02 < denelson83> = Beelzebub
2008-05-06 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> in your words "Lucifer_Cat: you lying bastard"
2008-05-06 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> what else do you expect of lucifer
2008-05-06 00:02 < gwern> is this some feeble joke about satan being a liar?
2008-05-06 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> in words of rolling stones
2008-05-06 00:02 < denelson83> = Belphegor = Leviathan
2008-05-06 00:03 < denelson83> = Asmodeus = Mammon
2008-05-06 00:03 < Lucifer_Cat> "but whats puzzling you... is the nature of my game"
2008-05-06 00:03 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: its only weak cuz you didnt get it
2008-05-06 00:03 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways i have to sleep
2008-05-06 00:03 < Lucifer_Cat> cya later alligator
2008-05-06 00:04 < denelson83> in a... Aw, too late
2008-05-06 00:06 < gwern> I wonder where the 'later alligator/in a while crocodile' thing comes from?
2008-05-06 00:06 < gwern> I first saw it in _Hyperion_, but surely it predates Simmons' novel
2008-05-06 00:10 < FastLizard4> omg
2008-05-06 00:10 < FastLizard4> they have F@H for the PS3
2008-05-06 00:11 < FastLizard4> ``I'm not going to go home and play <insert name of PS3 game here> on my cool new PS3, I'm going to do some *protein folding*! FUN!
2008-05-06 00:11 < The359> yes, they have for a while now, FastLizard
2008-05-06 00:12 < The359> I use it if I'm watching TV
2008-05-06 00:12 < The359> the PS3 just runs F@H in the background
2008-05-06 00:12 < FastLizard4> I'm afraid to run it on my computer
2008-05-06 00:12 < The359> PS3 can run through a set every 4 hours or so
2008-05-06 00:12 < The359> would probably take a day on an average PC
2008-05-06 00:13 < FastLizard4> 3GHz P4HT
2008-05-06 00:13 < FastLizard4> 512 DDR2 ram though
2008-05-06 00:13 < FastLizard4> *512 MB
2008-05-06 00:13 < The359> I don't know how visually intensive the PC version is
2008-05-06 00:13 < The359> the PS3 version has a 3D model of the protein, plays music, and shows a globe of all PS3s running the program at the time
2008-05-06 00:14 < Cyrius> and makes pancakes
2008-05-06 00:14 < FastLizard4> hehe
2008-05-06 00:14 < The359> it should
2008-05-06 00:30 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-06 00:32 < ybit> is there a place to host sample audio files on wp?
2008-05-06 00:34 < ybit> if i upload a file to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload how easy is it to remove after its use is over?
2008-05-06 00:34 < The359> erm, what do you mean, after its use is over?
2008-05-06 00:38 < TheNobleSith> Alright guys, I'm leaving Wikipedia, likely permanently. If there's anyone here who has helped me since I joined, thanks and GL.
2008-05-06 00:39 < The359> who was that?
2008-05-06 00:39 < ybit> The359: i need to upload an audio file. after someone has heard it, it will need to be deleted since it doesn't serve a purpose
2008-05-06 00:39 < The359> That's not what Wikimedia Commons is for, ybit
2008-05-06 00:40 < ybit> oh
2008-05-06 00:40 < The359> We're not a hosting service
2008-05-06 00:40 < ybit> heh
2008-05-06 00:40 < The359> Commons is for files which can be used on Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, etc
2008-05-06 00:40 < ybit> well, it's a test episode for the wikiversity campus radio
2008-05-06 00:41 < ybit> not sure if the recording is up-to-par though
2008-05-06 00:41 < ybit> it's a test recording* not an episode
2008-05-06 00:41 < The359> I think you can upload it somewhere else if it's just a trial and error thing
2008-05-06 01:23 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-05-06 01:33 < Cyrius> bummy bum bum bumm
2008-05-06 01:34 < bumm13> another day, another cheapo movie ;)
2008-05-06 01:34 * bumm13 NP: Crash of the Moons (1954)
2008-05-06 01:42 < Digital7> Anyone here care to give me some input on a copyedit?
2008-05-06 01:48 < Lady_Aleena> Sentence please?
2008-05-06 01:53 < Digital7> Lady_Aleena: Check PM.
2008-05-06 01:53 < Lady_Aleena> Where? I don't see it.
2008-05-06 01:53 < Digital7> Strange, I just PM'ed it here on IRC.
2008-05-06 01:54 < Lady_Aleena> Sorry, I didn't get it.
2008-05-06 01:54 < Digital7> Try sending me one, maybe it's a privacy feature
2008-05-06 01:55 < Fennec> it's Freenode
2008-05-06 01:55 < Lucifer_Cat> mmmm PM stuff
2008-05-06 01:55 < Fennec> they have some registered-users-only garbage
2008-05-06 01:55 < Fennec> check your server tab/window/thing for complaint messages
2008-05-06 01:56 < Lady_Aleena> Digital7: Did you get it?
2008-05-06 01:56 < Digital7> Sure did, but I suppose you're not hearing me back either. I'll go register with freenode right quick.
2008-05-06 01:56 < Digital7> Fennec: Thanks for pointing that out
2008-05-06 01:56 < Lady_Aleena> Go for it.
2008-05-06 01:57 < Lucifer_Cat> Lady_Aleena: i discovered a sort of a bug with your template the other day. but i forget what it was. actually, im not even sure anymore if it was a but or just sometihng i couldnt figure out at that time
2008-05-06 01:57 < Lady_Aleena> LC: It would help if I knew which template.
2008-05-06 01:58 < Lady_Aleena> I have so many of them floating around out there.