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2008-05-04 19:55 * Ceiling_Cat = Red player
2008-05-04 19:55 < Monobi> quanticle, yes
2008-05-04 19:56 < Monobi> I registered
2008-05-04 19:56 * Ceiling_Cat was playing the Hooooo-maaaaaans
2008-05-04 19:56 < Messedrocker> that looks like a giant game of risk
2008-05-04 19:56 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: It looks like Settlers of Catan
2008-05-04 19:56 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Q0dfrbr10&NR=1
2008-05-04 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> it's like Civ II if it were set in space and as a board game
2008-05-04 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> and it's genuinly very, very hard to wipe someone out
2008-05-04 19:56 < Monobi> quanticle, link?
2008-05-04 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> like, they have to really fuck up
2008-05-04 19:57 < quanticle> Monobi: I'm still setting up the game.
2008-05-04 19:57 < Monobi> Ok
2008-05-04 19:57 < Monobi> Let me know
2008-05-04 19:57 * Monobi goes back to xmoto
2008-05-04 19:57 < Ceiling_Cat> the humans had this wonderful ability to create lots of troops quickly
2008-05-04 19:57 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: i know... i had a hard time wiping 4 people out across 2 games :P
2008-05-04 19:58 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: its called fugging like rabbits
2008-05-04 19:58 < Ceiling_Cat> this led a friend of mine made the funniest joke ever -- he said that if aliens came to earth and saw a pair of rabbits, they would say "Hrm, look at those rabbits. They breed like humans"
2008-05-04 19:58 < Lucifer_Cat> heh
2008-05-04 19:58 < Ceiling_Cat> therefore, anytime someone now activates the terran ability, he is required to say "Breed like humans"
2008-05-04 19:59 < quanticle> Monobi: http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?submit=Drop&game=2371874
2008-05-04 19:59 < quanticle> Monobi: Wait, hang on.
2008-05-04 20:00 < Monobi> Ok
2008-05-04 20:00 < quanticle> Monobi: Its game number 2371890
2008-05-04 20:01 < Monobi> Ok
2008-05-04 20:02 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoQRAvqguc
2008-05-04 20:02 * Ceiling_Cat picks up Lucifer_Cat, hurls him across the room at Monobi
2008-05-04 20:02 < Lucifer_Cat> MEOWWWW
2008-05-04 20:02 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: its funny
2008-05-04 20:03 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RM07vHQiw&feature=related
2008-05-04 20:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Zomg
2008-05-04 20:04 * quanticle brb
2008-05-04 20:08 < Monobi> 2008-05-05 00:08:02 - Monobi attacked Lvov from Kiev and conquered it from quanticle
2008-05-04 20:08 < FastLizard4|busy> Monobi: What game are you playing?
2008-05-04 20:10 < emma> You are holding Wikimania in Egypt eh?
2008-05-04 20:11 < Monobi> emma, yes, they are holding wikimania in a terrorist state
2008-05-04 20:11 < FastLizard4|busy> BoL: Sigma online
2008-05-04 20:11 < FastLizard4|busy> Monobi: What game are you playing on ConquerClub?
2008-05-04 20:11 < BoL> ok
2008-05-04 20:11 < emma> Is it safe for American's to go there?
2008-05-04 20:11 < Monobi> FastLizard4|busy, http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2371890
2008-05-04 20:11 < kibble> emma, read the website
2008-05-04 20:11 < Monobi> emma, probably not
2008-05-04 20:11 < kibble> something about security is linked from the sidebar
2008-05-04 20:11 < Monobi> emma, unless you want to lose your head
2008-05-04 20:12 < Messedrocker> ohh c'mon, there are tourists in egypt all the time
2008-05-04 20:12 < BoL> FastLizard4|busy: What game?
2008-05-04 20:13 < BoL> Monobi: How do I join?
2008-05-04 20:14 < emma> do women have to wear a veil or something?
2008-05-04 20:14 < Messedrocker> christianity and judaism are actually recognized religions in egypt
2008-05-04 20:14 * Lucifer_Cat has decided that he will marry a brit. Or atleast someone ith a brit accent.
2008-05-04 20:14 < kibble> emma, read the page
2008-05-04 20:15 < Messedrocker> in fact, that and islam are the only three religions in egypt
2008-05-04 20:15 < kibble> you have to at least /look/ for the answers yourself
2008-05-04 20:15 < Lucifer_Cat> emma: who said anything about women being allowed in Egypt
2008-05-04 20:15 < Blafasel> Hi. I'm trying to add a sort key in my mediawiki, in a template. Something like [[Category:MyCategory|{{IntegerParameterForTheTemplate}}]]
2008-05-04 20:15 < BoL> FastLizard4|Busy: Ya wanna play a game?
2008-05-04 20:16 < Messedrocker> Blafasel, try #mediawiki
2008-05-04 20:16 < Monobi> emma, yes, or they beat you
2008-05-04 20:16 < FastLizard4|busy> BoL: I can't, because you signed off, I joined another game
2008-05-04 20:16 < Blafasel> Messedrocker: Thanks
2008-05-04 20:16 < BoL> oh
2008-05-04 20:16 < BoL> 2371974 for future reference
2008-05-04 20:16 < FastLizard4|busy> BoL: It will be full by the time I finish one of these
2008-05-04 20:16 < BoL> ok
2008-05-04 20:16 < BoL> nvm i dropped the game
2008-05-04 20:16 < BoL> bai
2008-05-04 20:17 < emma> Monobi -- You're being a troll now :)
2008-05-04 20:17 < Monobi> emma, of course not. I wouldn't enter that country without a gun.
2008-05-04 20:17 < Messedrocker> supposedly tourists are treated with quite a bit of tolerance
2008-05-04 20:18 < Messedrocker> they even allow gay tourists
2008-05-04 20:18 < emma> It does make a person kind of worried though...
2008-05-04 20:18 < FastLizard4|busy> Lucifer_Cat: Take your turn in Russia!!!
2008-05-04 20:18 < emma> I guess I can see the symbolic significance of the library of alexandria but didn't the famous library of alexandria burn down?
2008-05-04 20:18 < Messedrocker> just be courteous and you'll probably be fine
2008-05-04 20:18 < emma> why not have wikimania some place like NYC or Amsterdam?
2008-05-04 20:18 < kibble> emma, http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Security_FAQ
2008-05-04 20:18 < emma> So that people from all over the world can feel welcome?
2008-05-04 20:18 < kibble> emma, cities have to submit bids
2008-05-04 20:18 < Monobi> emma, because that would be normal and safe. Wikipedians like to live on the edge.
2008-05-04 20:19 < emma> hehe okay then
2008-05-04 20:19 < kibble> and there is /no/ city where everyone will feel welcome
2008-05-04 20:19 < Messedrocker> emma, the committee likes choosing faraway places to represent the other side of the digital divide
2008-05-04 20:19 < kibble> that's the nature of life
2008-05-04 20:19 < Messedrocker> it's fucking stupid
2008-05-04 20:19 < Messedrocker> if you ask me
2008-05-04 20:20 < FastLizard4|busy> People
2008-05-04 20:20 < FastLizard4|busy> Just stop :\
2008-05-04 20:20 < me1> What's wrong with far away places
2008-05-04 20:20 < me1> ?
2008-05-04 20:21 < emma> Well at least it's not in the Sudan I guess.
2008-05-04 20:21 < Messedrocker> me1, they're expensive for the rest of the wiki world
2008-05-04 20:21 < kibble> emma, you want it in another place?
2008-05-04 20:21 < kibble> submit a bid next time
2008-05-04 20:21 < kibble> [[m:Wikimania 2010/Bids]]
2008-05-04 20:21 < emma> Yes I vote for NYC :)
2008-05-04 20:22 < kibble> it's not a "vote"
2008-05-04 20:22 < kibble> it's a bid
2008-05-04 20:22 < kibble> you have to complie information
2008-05-04 20:22 < bumm13> kibble: other bids for 2008 were probably more ideal than Alexandria
2008-05-04 20:22 < emma> How is it different?
2008-05-04 20:22 < kibble> and convince the jury that NYC is the best place
2008-05-04 20:22 < emma> I'm not saying that NYC is the only good place for such a thing but I think there are obvious compelling reasons why NYC would be one of the good places.
2008-05-04 20:22 < Monobi> emma, no differences between sudan and egypt , I assure you
2008-05-04 20:22 < Monobi> NYC sucks
2008-05-04 20:22 < Monobi> Full of crime
2008-05-04 20:22 < emma> NYC is not full of crime.
2008-05-04 20:23 < Messedrocker> not anymore!
2008-05-04 20:23 < wimt> Whilst I think there are a lot of good reasons to spread it round the world, Alexandria was a particularly poor choice security-wise.
2008-05-04 20:23 < kibble> it is definitely not full of crime
2008-05-04 20:23 < Monobi> Of course it is
2008-05-04 20:23 * kibble suggests monobi stop talking, his ignorance is showing
2008-05-04 20:23 < bumm13> wimt: indeed
2008-05-04 20:23 < Monobi> You can't even protect yourself in NYC
2008-05-04 20:23 < FastLizard4|busy> Messedrocker: Your turn on Russia
2008-05-04 20:23 < emma> Yeah like you could have had it in Kenya or something. That is a safe place, and remote, and such.
2008-05-04 20:23 < Monobi> Martinsburg, West Virginia is where the next wikimedia should be
2008-05-04 20:23 < bumm13> Kenya isn't *that* safe
2008-05-04 20:23 < Monobi> *wikimania, even
2008-05-04 20:24 < Monobi> My vote is for West Virginia
2008-05-04 20:24 < emma> Monobi is just taking the piss now.
2008-05-04 20:24 < Monobi> Very very safe there
2008-05-04 20:24 < Monobi> emma, of course not, WV rocks
2008-05-04 20:24 < emma> How about Madison Wisconsin
2008-05-04 20:24 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-04 20:24 < bumm13> it's full of badgers!
2008-05-04 20:24 < Monobi> Wisconsin sucks, need to keep it on the east coast
2008-05-04 20:24 < emma> badgers?!
2008-05-04 20:24 < Dendodge|Away> Or Grimsby, England
2008-05-04 20:24 < bumm13> emma: the UWisc. mascot
2008-05-04 20:24 < Dendodge|Away> That's on the East coast!
2008-05-04 20:24 < Monobi> My vote is for Mobile, Alabama
2008-05-04 20:25 < emma> How about if we have it in Monobi's kitchen.
2008-05-04 20:25 < wimt> I could probably stretch to a journey to Grimsby :-)
2008-05-04 20:25 < Monobi> emma, good luck getting into my house ;)
2008-05-04 20:25 < Martinp23> No, Liverpool!
2008-05-04 20:25 < emma> "No Monobi's kitchen sucks! It smells like bacon and the fridge is dirty!"
2008-05-04 20:25 < wimt> Martinp23, pushing it ;-)
2008-05-04 20:25 < emma> Monobi you are just a contrarian :)
2008-05-04 20:25 < Martinp23> :p
2008-05-04 20:25 < Cyrius> smelling like bacon is a positive!
2008-05-04 20:26 < wimt> Though it would have coincided with the capital of culture what not in Liverpool if it had been.
2008-05-04 20:26 < bumm13> even if you were a badge?
2008-05-04 20:26 < emma> Madison Wisconsin would actually be a very good choice.
2008-05-04 20:26 < Monobi> emma, of course not, I'm a realist
2008-05-04 20:26 < emma> It's a very progressive city but not so huge that it would be expensive for anyone.
2008-05-04 20:26 < bumm13> s/were/wear
2008-05-04 20:26 * Lucifer_Cat votes for Mobile, AL
2008-05-04 20:27 < bumm13> cute :P
2008-05-04 20:27 < emma> And I guess that bumm13 knows about the Badgers
2008-05-04 20:27 < emma> bumm13, are you an alumn?
2008-05-04 20:27 < bumm13> nope
2008-05-04 20:27 < bumm13> I just know these things ;)
2008-05-04 20:27 < emma> Wikipedians know everything.
2008-05-04 20:28 < bumm13> I've either visited or attended (just one) these universities: Univ. of Washington, Central Wash. U., Pacific Lutheran
2008-05-04 20:28 < bumm13> I've also been near the College of William & Mary before ;)
2008-05-04 20:28 < bbot> Fuck you trackmania. Fuck you in hell, forever.
2008-05-04 20:28 < Messedrocker> ???
2008-05-04 20:29 < bumm13> wth?
2008-05-04 20:29 < wimt> Slightly bizarre.
2008-05-04 20:29 < bumm13> what exactly is trackmania?
2008-05-04 20:29 * wimt has no idea.
2008-05-04 20:29 < bbot> http://www.trackmania.com/en/
2008-05-04 20:29 < bbot> It is a "racing game"
2008-05-04 20:29 < bbot> And by "racing game" I mean thrice damnned machine fueled by hatred.
2008-05-04 20:30 < bumm13> ok....
2008-05-04 20:30 < emma> interesting.
2008-05-04 20:30 < emma> I like this channel
2008-05-04 20:30 < bumm13> play something simpler, like Pole Position ;)
2008-05-04 20:30 < emma> Quite lively people. Very dynamic.
2008-05-04 20:30 < bumm13> emma: thanx0rs ;)
2008-05-04 20:30 < emma> Other channels are some times sort of Disney-esque if you get me.
2008-05-04 20:31 * Looooooooong_Cat huggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-04 20:31 < Looooooooong_Cat> emma, this one too
2008-05-04 20:31 < Looooooooong_Cat> <3
2008-05-04 20:31 < bumm13> on this network, they can be kind of fascist ;p
2008-05-04 20:31 < Looooooooong_Cat> like bumm13 :P
2008-05-04 20:31 < bumm13> (in the "Soup Nazi" sort of way)
2008-05-04 20:31 < Looooooooong_Cat> hi.
2008-05-04 20:32 < bumm13> "Hi, I need some help with Linux drivers"
2008-05-04 20:32 < Looooooooong_Cat> "Hi, i need help with your mom"
2008-05-04 20:32 < bumm13> *n00b was kicked by channelsoupnazi (asked for help)
2008-05-04 20:32 < Monobi> bbot, how do I start that game?
2008-05-04 20:32 * bumm13 slaps Looooooooong_Cat around a bit with a rotten goldfish
2008-05-04 20:33 < bbot> Monobi: Much as you would start any stupid, self-destructive activity.
2008-05-04 20:33 < Looooooooong_Cat> bbot, how do i get a mudkips?
2008-05-04 20:33 < bbot> First, get drunk. Then kill yourself by jumping into a woodchipper. I assure you, it will be quicker and more pleasant than playing trackmania.
2008-05-04 20:33 < Monobi> ...
2008-05-04 20:34 < bbot> Just in case you didn't get it, trackmania is a bad game
2008-05-04 20:34 < Monobi> Oh
2008-05-04 20:34 < bumm13> but E.T. is worse!
2008-05-04 20:34 < bbot> so god damn bad it makes my fucking eyes hurt
2008-05-04 20:34 < bbot> Looooooooong_Cat:
2008-05-04 20:34 < bbot> By bending your wrist backwards and pressing a button in the middle of your palm with your middle and ring fingers.
2008-05-04 20:35 < bbot> No, wait, that's how you shot web.
2008-05-04 20:36 < Monobi> LolJew,
2008-05-04 20:36 < Monobi> What's up?
2008-05-04 20:37 < d[^_^]b> LolJew, change your nick please
2008-05-04 20:37 < LolJew> Someone from 4chan told me to join here. Are we raiding wikipedia?
2008-05-04 20:38 < d[^_^]b> thanks or the advice
2008-05-04 20:38 < d[^_^]b> now please change your nick
2008-05-04 20:38 < LolJew> No. :)
2008-05-04 20:38 < d[^_^]b> how friendly :)
2008-05-04 20:38 < d[^_^]b> pretty please :)
2008-05-04 20:39 < LolJew> Neg. I'm asking the staffers to cloak this one.
2008-05-04 20:39 < LolJew> Not sure why you'd want a change, anyway. <.<
2008-05-04 20:39 < ijustam> i think the media portal on wikipedia is nteresting
2008-05-04 20:39 < ijustam> interesting, even
2008-05-04 20:39 < d[^_^]b> no staffers will allow that nick
2008-05-04 20:39 < bbot> Perhaps he does not find jews funny.
2008-05-04 20:40 < ijustam> media = medical*
2008-05-04 20:40 < bbot> What an anti-semetic bastard.
2008-05-04 20:40 < d[^_^]b> and if one did, they will lose their ops
2008-05-04 20:40 < LolJew> Oh please. x]
2008-05-04 20:40 < compwhizii> LolJew, change it. We're not joking.
2008-05-04 20:40 < LolJew> And I'm not joking when I say niggerloving anti-racists like you are allowing the shitbeast jiggaboo porchmonkeys to infest our great White society.
2008-05-04 20:41 < d[^_^]b> aww
2008-05-04 20:41 < Looooooooong_Cat> awwwwwww
2008-05-04 20:41 < compwhizii> yay
2008-05-04 20:41 < Looooooooong_Cat> d[^_^]b, remember my trolls with the "jew" nick?
2008-05-04 20:41 < compwhizii> Thank you Messedrocker
2008-05-04 20:41 < Cyrius> that was too excessive to be real
2008-05-04 20:41 < d[^_^]b> :D
2008-05-04 20:43 < compwhizii> I'm going into the 4chan IRC channels
2008-05-04 20:43 < compwhizii> to act as a double agent
2008-05-04 20:43 < compwhizii> :)
2008-05-04 20:43 < Gambit> not on freenode :P
2008-05-04 20:43 < compwhizii> #4chan
2008-05-04 20:43 < compwhizii> opps :P XD
2008-05-04 20:44 < compwhizii> Gambit, could you point me in the right direction?
2008-05-04 20:44 < Gambit> yeah >>>> that way
2008-05-04 20:44 < compwhizii> :P
2008-05-04 20:46 < compwhizii> got it
2008-05-04 20:47 < ijustam> hm
2008-05-04 20:47 < ijustam> 2-12-2007
2008-05-04 20:47 < ijustam> february 12th
2008-05-04 20:47 < ijustam> or december 2nd?
2008-05-04 20:51 < compwhizii> Didn't work out lol
2008-05-04 20:51 < quanticle> I give that troll a 4/10 at best. It was too much, too quickly. With trolling, you have to build up slowly, so that, by the time you get really outrageous, they don't know whether to debate you seriously, or to kickban you.
2008-05-04 20:52 < Looooooooong_Cat> hi quanticle
2008-05-04 20:52 < Looooooooong_Cat> <3
2008-05-04 20:52 < quanticle> Looooooooong_Cat: Hello.
2008-05-04 20:52 < Messedrocker> i have thirsty!
2008-05-04 20:52 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Good. Now go collect hungry as well.
2008-05-04 20:52 < bumm13> hiya quanticle
2008-05-04 20:53 < quanticle> Hi bumm134
2008-05-04 20:53 < quanticle> er, bumm13 ev
2008-05-04 20:53 < quanticle> even
2008-05-04 20:54 < Cyrius> quanticle: plus it was just tired old "jews" trolling
2008-05-04 20:54 < Looooooooong_Cat> 'member GNAA?
2008-05-04 20:55 < Messedrocker> Why is e approximated as 2.71 when the next digit is 8?
2008-05-04 20:56 < Leslie_S> bleh. my favorite gay night club is GONE :(
2008-05-04 20:56 < Looooooooong_Cat> Leslie_S <3
2008-05-04 20:56 < Leslie_S> And after the way the city police treated us, i really dont ever want to go to a club in that city at all, ever.
2008-05-04 20:56 < Leslie_S> they were bitching at us about the speed it took to get into the van.
2008-05-04 20:57 < quanticle> Cyrius: That too. I think the new troll topic du jour is libertarianism/Objectivism, by the way.
2008-05-04 20:57 < Leslie_S> when we had like 6 people with us.
2008-05-04 20:57 < Cyrius> quanticle: it's not new, but it is back in vogue
2008-05-04 20:57 < quanticle> Cyrius: Right.
2008-05-04 20:58 < Leslie_S> the police were essentially there for no reason....i presume they figured that it would get rowdy at closing, since it was the last time the club was going to be open.
2008-05-04 20:58 < Looooooooong_Cat> last time police did that
2008-05-04 20:58 < Looooooooong_Cat> was at a afterhours
2008-05-04 20:58 < Looooooooong_Cat> for being overcapacitated
2008-05-04 21:03 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-05-04 21:03 < Leslie_S> odd
2008-05-04 21:03 < Leslie_S> could that be what it was?
2008-05-04 21:03 < Leslie_S> it was fucking packed
2008-05-04 21:04 < Leslie_S> there was also a fight right after closing
2008-05-04 21:05 < Cream> Ceiling_Cat <3
2008-05-04 21:05 < Gambit> Ceiling_Cat :DD
2008-05-04 21:05 < Ceiling_Cat> hello cream]
2008-05-04 21:06 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm sorry your team was eliminated by a superior one
2008-05-04 21:06 < Cream> it's ok :)
2008-05-04 21:06 < Ceiling_Cat> hello gambit
2008-05-04 21:06 < Cream> There's always next year
2008-05-04 21:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - I thought Canadians played hockey year round
2008-05-04 21:06 < Gambit> O_
2008-05-04 21:07 < Cream> well, there's pratices
2008-05-04 21:07 < Cream> but tomorrow, they are going to the arena to empty their lockers
2008-05-04 21:07 < Cream> and play gold
2008-05-04 21:07 < Cream> golf
2008-05-04 21:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - Golf? IN canada
2008-05-04 21:09 < Ceiling_Cat> I thought when they weren't playing hockey, they were felling trees and harvesting maple syrup
2008-05-04 21:09 < Cyrius> and enjoying socialized medicine
2008-05-04 21:10 < quanticle> Cyrius: Or eating at Tim Hortons...
2008-05-04 21:13 < Cream> lol
2008-05-04 21:13 < Cream> they are serving champagne on the talk show set
2008-05-04 21:13 < Cream> Ceiling_Cat, maple syrup season is over
2008-05-04 21:13 < Cream> it's too warm now
2008-05-04 21:14 < Ceiling_Cat> I see
2008-05-04 21:14 < Cream> it was a abnormally short season
2008-05-04 21:14 < Messedrocker> I wrote a file upload script, and it can't handle a 4.3MB file. How can I rectify this?
2008-05-04 21:14 < Cream> usually, it starts in late march and ends in late april
2008-05-04 21:16 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Configure your server to allow uploads of larger files?
2008-05-04 21:16 < Messedrocker> aw shit.
2008-05-04 21:16 < quanticle> Messedrocker: You're working in PHP, I take it.
2008-05-04 21:16 < Messedrocker> aye
2008-05-04 21:17 < ijustam> check php.ini for max uploda size?
2008-05-04 21:17 < Cream> quanticle, what did you eat tonight?
2008-05-04 21:17 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Did you configure the upload_max_filesize value in php.ini?
2008-05-04 21:18 < FastLizard4|busy> So much for Windows XP being more stable than Vista, my computer just bluescreened twice!
2008-05-04 21:18 < Messedrocker> quanticle, is it possible to have a local override?
2008-05-04 21:18 < Cream> FastLizard4|busy, my XP works just fine
2008-05-04 21:19 < quanticle> Messedrocker: No. The max_upload_filesize in php.ini is a hard upper limit.
2008-05-04 21:19 < quanticle> FastLizard4|busy: Hardware issues?
2008-05-04 21:19 < FastLizard4|busy> quanticle: I honestly don't know what
2008-05-04 21:19 * quanticle wonders what Texou is doing
2008-05-04 21:19 < FastLizard4|busy> The BSoD information is not exactly insightfu;
2008-05-04 21:19 < FastLizard4|busy> *insightful
2008-05-04 21:19 < FastLizard4|busy> Umm
2008-05-04 21:20 < ijustam> i think the following criteria shuold be blockable:
2008-05-04 21:20 < quanticle> FastLizard4|busy: Did you update any drivers recently? Is your RAM or hard drive acting up?
2008-05-04 21:20 < ijustam> <ref>http://*.about.com/*</ref>
2008-05-04 21:20 < FastLizard4|busy> quanticle: Nope
2008-05-04 21:20 < FastLizard4|busy> None of the abov
2008-05-04 21:20 < FastLizard4|busy> *above
2008-05-04 21:21 < quanticle> FastLizard4|busy: Perhaps that should read, "Fix your IRC client," FastLizard4|busy.
2008-05-04 21:21 < FastLizard4|busy> quanticle: No such channel
2008-05-04 21:21 < FastLizard4|busy> quanticle: ##fix_your_connection is the closest thing and broad enough to cover it
2008-05-04 21:22 < quanticle> FastLizard4|busy: Wait, there's a channel devoted to connection issues?
2008-05-04 21:22 < FastLizard4|busy> quanticle: Yup
2008-05-04 21:22 < FastLizard4|busy> ##fix_your_connection
2008-05-04 21:23 < Messedrocker> i have thought of something!
2008-05-04 21:23 < Messedrocker> i could accomplish my task with a shell script!
2008-05-04 21:25 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Heh.
2008-05-04 21:26 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Do it in Python for bonus points.
2008-05-04 21:26 < Messedrocker> or, actually, i don't know if i can
2008-05-04 21:26 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Why don't you tell me what you're trying to do.
2008-05-04 21:27 < quanticle> I'll be back in a bit.
2008-05-04 21:28 * FastLizard4|busy invites Messedrocker to irc://sigma.cluenet.org:7000/%e2%98%ad%e2%98%ad%e2%98%ad%e2%98%ad%e2%98%ad%e2%98%ad%e2%98%ad%e2%98%ad
2008-05-04 21:29 < Messedrocker> i suppose i could do it sort of asynchronously
2008-05-04 21:29 < Messedrocker> with the uploading of the files, THEN the updating of the database
2008-05-04 21:31 * Mike_H NP: Laura Branigan - Gloria (1982)
2008-05-04 21:31 < FastLizard4|busy> Lucifer_Cat: Your turn on Russia
2008-05-04 21:39 * Cream farts loudly to break the silence
2008-05-04 21:44 * Mike_H sprays air freshener
2008-05-04 21:49 < bbot> That's the feeling the FATAL morons so wish they could provoke.
2008-05-04 21:49 < bbot> Instead, they're more like opening that door to find your weeks-unwashed Otaku brother in his soiled underwear, masturbating furiously to - of all the goddamn things in the world - an Archie comic. And on his bare ass is a tattoo of, inexplicably, someone else's ass, and he's disgustingly fat enough for it to be a good 14 inches across. And as he goes at it, he's quietly moaning to himself about how worthless women, fags, and ni
2008-05-04 21:49 < bbot> http://atrocities.primaryerror.net/fatal.html
2008-05-04 21:51 < bbot> FATAL claims to be "the most difficult, detailed, realistic and historically/mythically accurate role-playing game available."
2008-05-04 21:51 < bbot> This is the most damnable lie I have ever seen in my history as an RPG reviewer.
2008-05-04 21:52 < Cyrius> heh
2008-05-04 21:56 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: are you around?
2008-05-04 21:58 * Ceiling_Cat is
2008-05-04 21:59 < Ceiling_Cat> what's up?
2008-05-04 22:00 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: I tried to clean up a coatracky BLP earlier, and people are constantly reverting my changes without explanation... including you?
2008-05-04 22:00 < Messedrocker> C-O-L-A COLA
2008-05-04 22:00 < Messedrocker> she walked up to me and she asked me to dance
2008-05-04 22:00 < Messedrocker> and i asked for her name and in a dark brown voice she said P-E-N-I-S
2008-05-04 22:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - I don't don't want to put too fine a point on this, but your edits are tantamount to whitewashing
2008-05-04 22:01 < Ceiling_Cat> she's only notable for one thing, and you're trying to water that down or otherwise downplay it
2008-05-04 22:01 < bbot> Krimpet - I don't want to put too fine a point on this, but your face is ugly and nobody loves you.
2008-05-04 22:01 < Ceiling_Cat> bbot - don't be a dick
2008-05-04 22:01 < BoL> who's the user messedrocker?
2008-05-04 22:02 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: I removed no information on that petition thing, instead integrating the info into the article, since it just seemed copy-pasted in there and rehashed tangential information.
2008-05-04 22:03 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosalind_Picard&diff=210120207&oldid=180918202 <--- this edit didn't remove anything?
2008-05-04 22:04 < Messedrocker> i keep reading "coatrack" as "coa track"
2008-05-04 22:04 < Messedrocker> like, a goa track
2008-05-04 22:04 < Messedrocker> as in goa trance
2008-05-04 22:04 < Krimpet> I removed the tangential explanation of "The petition, a two-sentence statement, has been widely used by its sponsor...etc"
2008-05-04 22:04 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: whut?
2008-05-04 22:05 < Krimpet> but heck, how am I supposed to know any of this when I'm getting reverted and tag-teamed...
2008-05-04 22:05 < Cyrius> oh, nm
2008-05-04 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - It's the reason she's notable. I think we can afford it two full sentences
2008-05-04 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> one saying she signed it, and another explaining what it is
2008-05-04 22:06 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: perhaps - why is the other sentence I added being removed, then?
2008-05-04 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> cross-fire ;)
2008-05-04 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> (sorry, I'm partly responsible)
2008-05-04 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Baegis re-added it
2008-05-04 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> nobody will revert that
2008-05-04 22:07 < Krimpet> the one that at least _explains_ why she'd sign some dippy petition, instead of immediately going off to another subject... :/
2008-05-04 22:08 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - Agreed, it belongs there
2008-05-04 22:10 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: I see your point, now, and agree the second sentence should stay. but I really wish these folks would have engaged in discussion like this so I could realize this, instead of being jumped on. :/
2008-05-04 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - oh, you wandered in to the evolution/ID minefield and nobody warned you
2008-05-04 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - well, you have to understand
2008-05-04 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> those articles are ... not the most pleasant place to edit. The nature of the topic means they attract a lot of creationist POV pushers, and people like Moulton who want to re-write history
2008-05-04 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> (Moulton works for Picard and tried to get that rather embarassing fact about her removed. That's why that article is so.... touchy)
2008-05-04 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> for->with
2008-05-04 22:14 < learath> Picard?
2008-05-04 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Computer scientist, creationist
2008-05-04 22:14 < learath> that's an interesting mix
2008-05-04 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> signed a creationism petition that is now a professional embarassment
2008-05-04 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> a colleague of her tried to remove that fact from her article, except that it's really the only reason she's notable
2008-05-04 22:15 < Cyrius> heh
2008-05-04 22:16 < CatServ`> OMGNETSPLIT
2008-05-04 22:16 < quanticle> Wheee! Netsplit!
2008-05-04 22:16 * Ceiling_Cat holds onto his CatServ` life preserver
2008-05-04 22:16 < Cyrius> mini netsplit
2008-05-04 22:17 < Soxred93> Argh, anyone here know PHP?
2008-05-04 22:17 < learath> not well
2008-05-04 22:17 * Ceiling_Cat pulls the ripcord to inflate him
2008-05-04 22:17 < CatServ`> :O
2008-05-04 22:17 * CatServ` a splodes
2008-05-04 22:17 < quanticle> Soxred93: I know PHP. What do you need?
2008-05-04 22:17 < Soxred93> I programmed a bot, but it's not editing anymore.
2008-05-04 22:17 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Krimpet
2008-05-04 22:17 < Soxred93> It was working, but it spontaneously stopped
2008-05-04 22:18 < quanticle> Soxred93: Do you have a link to the source code?
2008-05-04 22:18 < Soxred93> without me making any modifications to the code
2008-05-04 22:18 < Soxred93> User:SoxBot IV/Source
2008-05-04 22:18 < quanticle> Soxred93: Is it failing silently, or is it throwing an error message?
2008-05-04 22:18 < Soxred93> It's not editing.
2008-05-04 22:18 < Soxred93> It performs the task with no errors.
2008-05-04 22:19 < Soxred93> Just doesn't recognize the if statement.
2008-05-04 22:20 < MZMcBride> Ceiling_Cat: Ping.
2008-05-04 22:20 < MZMcBride> Raul... I know you're around. :)
2008-05-04 22:21 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-05-04 22:21 < MZMcBride> PM?
2008-05-04 22:22 < quanticle> Soxred93: Which if statement?
2008-05-04 22:22 < Soxred93> All of them, quanticle.
2008-05-04 22:22 < The359> Anyone want to warn an IP user who is vandalizing my user page?
2008-05-04 22:22 < The359> I warned them once, they vandalized it again
2008-05-04 22:22 < The359> I figure it might work better if someone else warns them
2008-05-04 22:23 < quanticle> Soxred93: So its not clearing the sandboxen?
2008-05-04 22:23 < Soxred93> Right
2008-05-04 22:23 < Soxred93> And it was working before...
2008-05-04 22:24 < quanticle> Hmmm. Is there anyway to force it to run? It looks like the runtimes are hardcoded into the code.
2008-05-04 22:25 < Soxred93> It's either in the runtimes, OR if the header is vandalized
2008-05-04 22:25 < Soxred93> Which it was.
2008-05-04 22:25 < The359> Anyone? Just throw a warning template at him at least?
2008-05-04 22:27 < Soxred93> Quanticle, any ideas?
2008-05-04 22:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - come to #raul plz
2008-05-04 22:28 < ijustam> seems to me it's chemistry.
2008-05-04 22:29 < quanticle> Soxred: Just to be clear, it reverts whenever someone vandalizes the line that starts with, "Please leave this line alone..."
2008-05-04 22:29 < quanticle> Er, Soxred93 ^
2008-05-04 22:29 < Soxred93> Yes.
2008-05-04 22:30 < Soxred93> It's on a 3 minute cronjob.
2008-05-04 22:30 < Soxred93> And I know it's running, I'm getting emails.
2008-05-04 22:32 < Soxred93> Quanticle, it is processing the if.
2008-05-04 22:32 < Soxred93> It just isn't saving.
2008-05-04 22:33 < quanticle> Soxred93: Oh. Ok.
2008-05-04 22:33 < ijustam> The359: added a level 3 warning to that IP's page
2008-05-04 22:34 < Soxred93> I might be hitting a captcha
2008-05-04 22:34 < quanticle> Soxred93: Can you add a line that says exactly why its clearing?
2008-05-04 22:34 < quanticle> Soxred93: I'm not sure that Wikipedia has captchas.
2008-05-04 22:34 < Soxred93> Yes it does.
2008-05-04 22:34 < Soxred93> That's why my StatusBot trial is running on SoxBot II, not SoxBot V
2008-05-04 22:36 < quanticle> Soxred93: What do you mean, Wikipedia has a captcha? I just edited the sandbox anonymously and it didn't present me with a CAPTCHA.
2008-05-04 22:36 < Messedrocker> CAPTCHAs are when you add URLs
2008-05-04 22:36 < Soxred93> Autoconfirmed people, maube?
2008-05-04 22:37 < quanticle> Messedrocker: This bot isn't adding any URLs if I'm reading the source correctly.
2008-05-04 22:38 < Soxred93> Oh, how stupid!
2008-05-04 22:38 < Soxred93> An anon hit the shutoff.
2008-05-04 22:38 < quanticle> Soxred93: I don't think so. I always edit logged in from my machine. Its only because I cleared the cookies in my browser that I was able to edit without logging in.
2008-05-04 22:38 < quanticle> Soxred93: What do you mean?
2008-05-04 22:38 < Soxred93> I think I need to watch those pages
2008-05-04 22:38 < ijustam> um
2008-05-04 22:38 < ijustam> wtf
2008-05-04 22:38 < Soxred93> I have an emergency shutoff page
2008-05-04 22:38 < Soxred93> and an IP changed it.
2008-05-04 22:38 < Soxred93> disabling the bot
2008-05-04 22:38 < ijustam> just fyi
2008-05-04 22:38 < Messedrocker> I GET LAUGHED AT in about FIVE MINUTES
2008-05-04 22:39 < ijustam> {{brokenlink}} needs to be redirected to {{deadlink}} methinks
2008-05-04 22:39 < Soxred93> See, now it works.
2008-05-04 22:39 < quanticle> Soxred93: Heh. Perhaps you should get that page semi-protected.
2008-05-04 22:39 < Soxred93> Yeah.
2008-05-04 22:41 < Soxred93> RFPP filled out
2008-05-04 22:45 < ggreer> Adobe's total revenues last quarter were $890 million with a gross profit of 91% ($808 million).
2008-05-04 22:45 < Messedrocker> software = total profit
2008-05-04 22:45 < ggreer> that's such an insane profit margin
2008-05-04 22:45 < ggreer> even drug dealers don't have 90% profit margins
2008-05-04 22:45 < Messedrocker> the company my dad works for profited $500,000 with a gross revenue of $150,000,000
2008-05-04 22:46 < ggreer> heh, some kind of manufacturing plant?
2008-05-04 22:46 < Messedrocker> no
2008-05-04 22:46 < Messedrocker> incompetently-ran
2008-05-04 22:46 < ggreer> oh
2008-05-04 22:46 < Messedrocker> it doesn't even make physical products
2008-05-04 22:46 < Messedrocker> that's how poorly ran it is
2008-05-04 22:48 < quanticle> ggreer: Now that's the sign of a well run company. Hell, they're doing better than the oil industry (which actually has some pretty poor profit margins, given how expensive it is to run a pipeline)
2008-05-04 22:48 < ggreer> well they charge out the ass for CS3
2008-05-04 22:48 < ggreer> that's like 80% of their money right there
2008-05-04 22:48 < ggreer> and they have no competitors since everyone else has to reverse engineer their spec
2008-05-04 22:51 < quanticle> ggreer: What's really outrageous is Blizzard's profits on WoW.
2008-05-04 22:51 < CatServ`> Welcome back splitters
2008-05-04 22:51 < quanticle> ggreer: 8 million people times a $50 initial fee plus $15 monthly fee
2008-05-04 22:56 < sektor> how big is the database once it was completely exported from pages-articles.xml.bz2 ?
2008-05-04 22:57 < MZMcBride> There's a note below the file, no?
2008-05-04 22:57 < MZMcBride> It expands like 20 times?
2008-05-04 22:57 < sektor> a note ?
2008-05-04 22:57 < sektor> i havent seen a note
2008-05-04 22:58 < sektor> so whatever the size of the .xml you have to multiply that by 20 ?
2008-05-04 22:58 < MZMcBride> For .7z files, it says "These dumps can be *very* large, uncompressing up to 100 times the archive download size."
2008-05-04 22:58 < sektor> well
2008-05-04 22:58 < sektor> .xml is already uncompressed
2008-05-04 22:59 < sektor> i'm in the process of building a database from this .xml right now
2008-05-04 22:59 < MZMcBride> Perhaps try #mediawiki?
2008-05-04 23:05 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: Your turn on SOviet map
2008-05-04 23:08 < Six0r> Gah, if I ever meet Jimmy Wales, I'm going to shake his hand... Wikipedia is so addicting...
2008-05-04 23:08 < Malber> hello people
2008-05-04 23:08 < Malber> Six: make sure you wear a latex glove
2008-05-04 23:08 < Messedrocker> Six0r, Jimmy Wales is like 5'6"
2008-05-04 23:08 < Six0r> I won't.
2008-05-04 23:09 < Malber> oh you must like to live on the wild side then
2008-05-04 23:09 < Six0r> Hell yeah.
2008-05-04 23:09 < quanticle> Wikipedia is multiplayer notepad.
2008-05-04 23:09 < Six0r> Well put.
2008-05-04 23:10 < Fennec> v.v
2008-05-04 23:10 < Mike_H> Yeah, Jimmy is 5'6"
2008-05-04 23:10 < CatServ`> quanticle: XD
2008-05-04 23:10 < Mike_H> he's a little shorter than me
2008-05-04 23:10 < Mike_H> and I'm 5'7"
2008-05-04 23:18 * gwern is amused to think I'm about half a foot taller than jwales
2008-05-04 23:21 < Gambit> XD
2008-05-04 23:21 < Gambit> everyone is taller than Jimmy :P
2008-05-04 23:22 < quanticle> Gambit: Heh. To be quite fair, 5' 6" would be considered taller than average in many places.
2008-05-04 23:23 < Malber> 5'6" is short man
2008-05-04 23:23 < Malber> amazing that he gets so much hawt canadian tail
2008-05-04 23:24 < quanticle> Malber: Its short only in the industrialized West.
2008-05-04 23:24 < gwern> 'These caissons always weigh the same whether or not they are carrying their combined capacity of 600 tonnes (590 LT/660 ST) of floating canal barges as, according to Archimedes' principle, floating objects displace their own weight in water, so when the boat enters, the amount of water leaving the caisson weighs exactly the same as the boat. This keeps the wheel balanced and so, despite its enormous mass, it rotates through 180° in five and a half ...
2008-05-04 23:24 < gwern> ... minutes while using very little power. It takes just 22.5 kilowatts (30.2 hp) to power the electric motors, which consume just 1.5 kilowatt-hours (5.4 MJ) of energy in four minutes, roughly the same as boiling eight kettles of water.'
2008-05-04 23:24 < gwern> from [[Falkirk Wheel]]
2008-05-04 23:25 < gwern> eight kettles of water to rotate the Falkirk Wheel? I think I just reached today's quota of *mind-blowingness*
2008-05-04 23:25 < Gambit> Malber, are you Malber 22 O_O ?
2008-05-04 23:25 < Cyrius> gwern: and that's only because they don't want it to take an hour
2008-05-04 23:26 < gwern> Cyrius: how much energy to do it in an hour?
2008-05-04 23:26 < Cyrius> don't want to do the math
2008-05-04 23:26 < ijustam> robot
2008-05-04 23:26 < ijustam> cat
2008-05-04 23:26 < Cyrius> I'm just saying they're putting a bunch of energy in to spin it up
2008-05-04 23:26 < ijustam> http://youtube.com/watch?v=M_UyGP9d2R8
2008-05-04 23:26 < quanticle> gwern: The fineness with which those lobes are balanced is astonishing. Truly, we're living in the future. :)
2008-05-04 23:27 < gwern> 1.5 kilowats doesn't sound like a lot of energy
2008-05-04 23:27 < gwern> how many pennies is that?
2008-05-04 23:27 < ijustam> 1.5kW is about 2 horsepower
2008-05-04 23:27 < Fennec> gwern: it's not energy
2008-05-04 23:27 < Cyrius> that's kW-hour, not kW
2008-05-04 23:27 < quanticle> gwern: Heh. My computer goes through 1.5 kilowatts in a couple hours.
2008-05-04 23:27 < Fennec> gwern: it's pwoer
2008-05-04 23:27 < Cyrius> quanticle: unit mismatch
2008-05-04 23:27 < Fennec> watts are power! watt-hours are energy!
2008-05-04 23:27 < quanticle> Er, it's roughly twice the power consumption of my power supply.
2008-05-04 23:28 < quanticle> Cyrius: Yeah, I realized that. I meant to say that its roughly double the power consumption of my computer.
2008-05-04 23:28 * gwern hates people who apply physics to everyday language
2008-05-04 23:28 * gwern goes all Wittgenstein on Cyrius and Fennec
2008-05-04 23:29 < Cyrius> gwern: kilowatt is not everyday language
2008-05-04 23:29 < Fennec> the original language was ambiguous AND wrong~
2008-05-04 23:29 < gwern> Cyrius: what's not everyday about it?
2008-05-04 23:29 < gwern> Fennec: so go edit it
2008-05-04 23:29 < Cyrius> it's a physics term
2008-05-04 23:30 < gwern> huh. so Obama won Guam by 7 votes out of ~4500
2008-05-04 23:30 < Cyrius> guam, where every vote matters
2008-05-04 23:30 < gwern> Cyrius: yeah, so when people discuss electricity rates, what do they use?
2008-05-04 23:30 < Cyrius> kW-h
2008-05-04 23:30 < Fennec> why were they voting in guam? only for the primary or something?
2008-05-04 23:30 < Cyrius> unless they're wrong.
2008-05-04 23:30 < gwern> 'Oh dear, it seems a jiggawatt now costs 9 cents; we'd better start turning off the computer at night, dear'
2008-05-04 23:31 < quanticle> gwern: But yeah, the amount of precision there is amazing. Its almost like out of a space opera.
2008-05-04 23:31 < Fennec> My car goes 120mph in 2 hours!!
2008-05-04 23:31 < quanticle> gwern: Its jigawatt-hour, btw.
2008-05-04 23:31 < Cyrius> would have been funnier if the rate was 1.21 too
2008-05-04 23:32 < quanticle> Fennec: Well, that's possible too, if your car has a high top speed, and very low acceleration.
2008-05-04 23:32 < gwern> quanticle: your ideas intrigue me; I would like to subscribe to your newsletter
2008-05-04 23:32 < Cyrius> I learned to drive on a van that did 0-60 in about a week
2008-05-04 23:32 * quanticle mails my physics textbooks to gwern
2008-05-04 23:32 < Cyrius> and had loose steering
2008-05-04 23:32 < Fennec> I wish people subscribed to my newsletter!
2008-05-04 23:32 < Fennec> ... then I'd have an excuse for having a newsletter
2008-05-04 23:32 < gwern> quanticle: I know there are examples of even greater precision and efficiency, but I can't speak of anything on quite that scale
2008-05-04 23:32 < gwern> Fennec: what's your newsletter about?
2008-05-04 23:33 < Fennec> gwern: the one I don't have?
2008-05-04 23:33 * gwern excludes dams and the like from this because I don't think they're anywhere near as cool as this wheel
2008-05-04 23:33 < Fennec> gwern: wonderful things. music. fiction. beauty. art. life. flowers.
2008-05-04 23:34 < quanticle> gwern: That's why I said it looked like something out of a space opera. Its the sort of thing that implies a post-human society with ubiquitous nano-engineering, terraforming and the like. Seeing a marvel like this in our time is somewhat... incongruous.
2008-05-04 23:34 < gwern> Fennec: hm. those things of yours intrigue me; I would like to subscribe to your newsletter :)
2008-05-04 23:34 < quanticle> gwern: Dams don't move.
2008-05-04 23:34 < Fennec> gwern: alas, it does not exist yet! Hmm.
2008-05-04 23:34 < gwern> quanticle: sure they do. the turbines move quite a bit, for starters
2008-05-04 23:35 < quanticle> gwern: Not all dams have turbines.
2008-05-04 23:35 < gwern> quanticle: are you channeling David Brin? he often says that america has abandoned its interest in heroic engineering and science
2008-05-04 23:35 < gwern> quanticle: and not all boat lock mechanisms are nearly as cool as the Falkirk Wheel
2008-05-04 23:36 < quanticle> gwern: Perhaps. That and I just finished reading "Revelation Space" and a bunch of short stories by Alastair Reynolds.
2008-05-04 23:37 < gwern> any good?
2008-05-04 23:37 < quanticle> gwern: There's also the fact that the rotating caissons should have a really futuristic look about them
2008-05-04 23:37 < Cyrius> new orleans is crying out for a ridiculous engineering project
2008-05-04 23:38 < Cyrius> nobody wants to pay for it
2008-05-04 23:38 < quanticle> gwern: Yeah, they were pretty good. Revelation Space is worth a recommendation, as is Chasm City. Both are by Alastair Reynolds.
2008-05-04 23:38 * Lubaf nibbles on gwern.
2008-05-04 23:38 < Lubaf> Bleh.
2008-05-04 23:38 < Cyrius> of course, it doesn't need anything really original
2008-05-04 23:38 * Lubaf spits out bits of gwern.
2008-05-04 23:38 < quanticle> Cyrius: What New Orleans could use is a set of those Dutch pop-up breakwaters.
2008-05-04 23:39 < Lubaf> Can I has flesh of teh livin?
2008-05-04 23:39 < quanticle> Lubaf: You mean, "I can has..."
2008-05-04 23:39 < Cyrius> quanticle: what New Orleans really could use is a Galveston-style grade raising
2008-05-04 23:39 < Lubaf> quanticle: True.
2008-05-04 23:39 < Cyrius> zombie cat is eating your braaaiiins
2008-05-04 23:39 < quanticle> Cyrius: "Galveston-style raising?"
2008-05-04 23:39 < gwern> quanticle: those novels or short stories?
2008-05-04 23:39 < quanticle> gwern: Both novels.
2008-05-04 23:39 < Cyrius> quanticle: they raised Galveston
2008-05-04 23:40 < Cyrius> raised, not razed, just to be clear that I'm not confusing the spelling
2008-05-04 23:40 < gwern> Cyrius: why do we want to do heroic stuff for New Orleans? we ought to move the entire damn thing somewhere safer; it's not like subsidence is going to stop, or hurricanes go away
2008-05-04 23:40 < quanticle> Cyrius: Heh. They didn't need to raze the city. The hurricane did it for them.
2008-05-04 23:40 < Cyrius> gwern: we want to do it because people are insisting on keeping the city
2008-05-04 23:40 * gwern notes the dutch don't really have any choice in the matter, so don't argue 'the dutch found it worthwhile!'
2008-05-04 23:41 < Cyrius> if we're going to keep the city, it's either do something heroic or put up with it flooding
2008-05-04 23:41 < gwern> Cyrius: people are stupid. this is an axiom of life
2008-05-04 23:41 < Fennec> Raising or razing? >.>
2008-05-04 23:41 < quanticle> Fennec: Well, Galveston was pretty much razed by a hurricane early in the twentieth century.