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2008-05-02 22:35 < uberpenguin> quanticle: read back a few lines
2008-05-02 22:35 < Yamakiri> sorry for being offtopic, but what caused the database lockup a few minutes back?
2008-05-02 22:35 < Monobi> Wyoming and Montana are very nice
2008-05-02 22:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Yamakiri: furries
2008-05-02 22:35 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Ah. Right.
2008-05-02 22:35 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: You win.
2008-05-02 22:35 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: what?
2008-05-02 22:36 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: The completely imaginary award for the timing on the "furries" comment.
2008-05-02 22:36 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-05-02 22:36 < Lucifer_Cat> do i get a barnstar?
2008-05-02 22:36 < Gracenotes> what barn did you raise?
2008-05-02 22:36 < Mahlzahn> Does anyone here know the backstory for the deletion and subsequent salting of the 'Encyclopedia Dramatica' article?
2008-05-02 22:36 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Heh.
2008-05-02 22:37 < Lucifer_Cat> Gracenotes: the furry one
2008-05-02 22:37 < Monobi> Mahlzahn, BEER
2008-05-02 22:37 < Monobi> That's why
2008-05-02 22:37 < Messedrocker> Mahlzahn, some guy created an article, and it was deemed to be non-notable
2008-05-02 22:37 < Messedrocker> Now, what is Non-Notable?
2008-05-02 22:37 < Lucifer_Cat> which is just as fitting, since i suppose the barn would have lots of furry thingies
2008-05-02 22:37 < Mahlzahn> nowadays nothing
2008-05-02 22:37 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: Do you need to know? I mean, isn't this one of those things that doesn't really require explanation?
2008-05-02 22:37 < Yamakiri> Um, did anyone else get a database lockup?
2008-05-02 22:37 < Lucifer_Cat> salting??
2008-05-02 22:38 < Messedrocker> The concept of notability is controversial within Wikipedia, but generally it refers to something being significant enough that it has been reported in uninvolved sources, and so it is appropriate that Wikipedia documents it
2008-05-02 22:38 < Gracenotes> Yamakiri: did the message say something about slave/master databases?
2008-05-02 22:38 < Mahlzahn> Lucifer_Cat: prevent recreation. "Salting the earth"
2008-05-02 22:39 < Gracenotes> anyone?
2008-05-02 22:39 < Zach> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Barbara_Bauer_%282nd_nomination%29 since when does courtesy blanking come with revision deletion?
2008-05-02 22:39 < Yamakiri> I don't know, but thanks for answering
2008-05-02 22:39 < Lucifer_Cat> thought so
2008-05-02 22:39 < Mahlzahn> Zach: there was something in that AfD that was personal
2008-05-02 22:39 < Mahlzahn> eg a personal attack or something.
2008-05-02 22:39 < Lucifer_Cat> like being rightly called dumb?
2008-05-02 22:40 < Zach> then the personal information should've been oversighted
2008-05-02 22:40 < Zach> not the whole AfD debate wiped
2008-05-02 22:40 < Mahlzahn> Lucifer_Cat: weeeell. yes. :)
2008-05-02 22:40 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, rightly or not, a personal attack still makes the attacker a dick
2008-05-02 22:40 < Messedrocker> Even if you are right
2008-05-02 22:40 < Messedrocker> Because attacking is for dicks
2008-05-02 22:40 < Messedrocker> Beware of Scott! He's a dick!
2008-05-02 22:40 < Zach> from Template:Courtesy blanking: "Courtesy blanking does not entail any revision deletion"
2008-05-02 22:40 < Messedrocker> Zach I guess this was a special case
2008-05-02 22:41 < Zach> if there was personal information/attacks, that's a seperate issue
2008-05-02 22:41 < Zach> well as far as i know, someone just decided to 'delete' without any discussion whatsoever
2008-05-02 22:42 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I just realized that you might have the current advantage in our chess game. It seems that I'd overextended my forces somewhat in the rush towards your queen. While I retreated, you were able to advance your pawn wall somewhat.
2008-05-02 22:42 < Zach> where's the transparency in that?
2008-05-02 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: i took that from the only cool strategy i ever employed while playing Risk
2008-05-02 22:45 < Lucifer_Cat> is there an online version of multiplayer risk?
2008-05-02 22:46 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.conquerclub.com/ anyone up for it?
2008-05-02 22:48 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Well I found http://www.riskattack.com/
2008-05-02 22:49 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: which one do you wanna try
2008-05-02 22:50 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I just signed up for http://www.conquerclub.com
2008-05-02 22:51 < Lucifer_Cat> same here.
2008-05-02 22:51 < Lucifer_Cat> you are quanticle on there too?
2008-05-02 22:52 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Yep.
2008-05-02 22:52 < Lucifer_Cat> they have awesome maps
2008-05-02 22:53 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Do you want to start the game, or should I start the game?
2008-05-02 22:53 < Lucifer_Cat> you do it.
2008-05-02 22:54 < Lucifer_Cat> Middle earth... age of merchants... im liking this :D
2008-05-02 22:57 < quanticle> Hmmm, do you want Africa, Benelux, Asia, or Iberia? I'm honestly thinking something like Iberia since I think the Spanish civil war was one of the most underrated wars in history, but if you have any preferences I'll take them into account.
2008-05-02 22:58 < Lucifer_Cat> iberia looks cool if you wanna go with it. middle earth and middle east would be fine with me too
2008-05-02 22:58 < quanticle> Ooohhh, there's a Middle East map?
2008-05-02 22:58 * quanticle looks
2008-05-02 23:01 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Hmmm, I like Middle East, but I think I'll go with Iberia to start off with.
2008-05-02 23:02 < Lucifer_Cat> no problemo
2008-05-02 23:04 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Its game number 2360062
2008-05-02 23:07 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Whoops, it looks like someone else joined...
2008-05-02 23:07 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah.
2008-05-02 23:08 < Lucifer_Cat> one with a 33-0 record no less
2008-05-02 23:08 < cimon> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080502.WBmingram20080502170858/WBStory/WBmingram - very cool
2008-05-02 23:09 < cimon> "The study -- done by researchers at the University of Colorado who specialize in what's called "crisis informatics" -- found that Facebook and other "social media" tools such as Wikipedia and Twitter (a kind of group-chat instant messaging tool) did a better job of getting information out during emergencies such as the shootings at Virginia Tech and the forest fires that decimated California than either the traditional news media or government emer
2008-05-02 23:10 < Lucifer_Cat> i dont see a way to join the game :S
2008-05-02 23:12 < Lucifer_Cat> ahh you must have selected "number of players = 2"
2008-05-02 23:14 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: you there?
2008-05-02 23:17 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Yeah, I'm here. Unfortunately, I made the game for two players, so I'll start a new game for you and I as soon as I get finished with my turn against this 33-0 fellow.
2008-05-02 23:17 < Lucifer_Cat> lol ok
2008-05-02 23:19 < Lucifer_Cat> buzz me when you are about to make the game, i will take position at the search page
2008-05-02 23:21 < Monobi> So far Iraq has cost 800 billion
2008-05-02 23:21 < Monobi> $800 billion, even
2008-05-02 23:21 < quanticle> Monobi: Only?
2008-05-02 23:21 < quanticle> Monobi: I thought we'd be over 1000 billion by now
2008-05-02 23:22 < Lucifer_Cat> monobi... wanna play Risk?
2008-05-02 23:22 < Monobi> Lucifer_Cat, not really
2008-05-02 23:22 < Lucifer_Cat> then fug off
2008-05-02 23:22 < Lucifer_Cat> ;)
2008-05-02 23:22 < Mahlzahn> tsk. such language!
2008-05-02 23:23 < Mahlzahn> its 'feck' btw.
2008-05-02 23:24 < Lucifer_Cat> i thought it was frik
2008-05-02 23:24 < Lucifer_Cat> i find "fug" rather cute
2008-05-02 23:25 < Mahlzahn> I was just charming everyone with my brilliant humour
2008-05-02 23:25 < Mahlzahn> self-effacing too!
2008-05-02 23:25 < Monobi> quanticle, in other news, illegal immigrant has slowed
2008-05-02 23:25 < Mahlzahn> they get shot offshore now
2008-05-02 23:25 < Monobi> probably because all the mexicans have already hopped over the border
2008-05-02 23:25 < Mahlzahn> rather than in the camps
2008-05-02 23:26 < Monobi> s/humour/humor/
2008-05-02 23:26 < Mahlzahn> no, thats the other one.
2008-05-02 23:27 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: i'd scramble for andalucia if i were you
2008-05-02 23:27 < Mahlzahn> why's that?
2008-05-02 23:27 < Lucifer_Cat> hes about to lose it
2008-05-02 23:28 < Lucifer_Cat> and does not have any easy way of getting back in if he loses it
2008-05-02 23:28 < Mahlzahn> erm. Are you guys playing risk again?
2008-05-02 23:29 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I can't. He's hiding behind neutral territories, which I can't cross without depleting my forces.
2008-05-02 23:29 < Lucifer_Cat> Mahlzahn: not again, but yeah playing it.
2008-05-02 23:29 < Lucifer_Cat> Mahlzahn: we are about to start a game... wanna join?
2008-05-02 23:29 < Lucifer_Cat> its one day/round
2008-05-02 23:30 < Mahlzahn> its 5:30 am here, and I'm beat. Another time though.
2008-05-02 23:30 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: atleast consolidate armeria
2008-05-02 23:30 < Lucifer_Cat> Mahlzahn: :(
2008-05-02 23:30 < Mahlzahn> But I'd love to watch atm
2008-05-02 23:30 < Lucifer_Cat> 2360062
2008-05-02 23:30 < Mahlzahn> if thats possible
2008-05-02 23:30 < Lucifer_Cat> thats the game ID
2008-05-02 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticlkle is playing a guy who has a 33-0 in his favor
2008-05-02 23:31 < Mahlzahn> where do I type that?
2008-05-02 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> on and on conquerclub.com
2008-05-02 23:31 < Mahlzahn> ah
2008-05-02 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> you'll have to register. takes a moment.
2008-05-02 23:32 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: Sorry, but its not traditional risk. We're playing for Spain only.
2008-05-02 23:33 < Lucifer_Cat> though there is a traditional risk board available. along with, like a 100 others
2008-05-02 23:34 < quanticle> WTF! 4v2, and the 2 armies win!
2008-05-02 23:34 < Huntster> odd request, but someone please type in my nick.
2008-05-02 23:34 < quanticle> Huntster:
2008-05-02 23:34 < Huntster> Risk! so much fun.
2008-05-02 23:34 < quanticle> Huntster: Testing highlighting?
2008-05-02 23:34 < Huntster> no:( It is supposed to play a sound. Not working for some reason.
2008-05-02 23:34 < Huntster> Warns me when I am afk.
2008-05-02 23:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster: a buzz or another sound/
2008-05-02 23:35 < Lucifer_Cat> what client?
2008-05-02 23:35 < Huntster> just an mp3 or wav. mIRC 6.31.
2008-05-02 23:38 * denelson83 found a rhyming synonym for 'fascism'
2008-05-02 23:39 < quanticle> denelson83: what? I thought of nazism, but that doesn't really work in American English.
2008-05-02 23:39 < denelson83> Yeah - the word is "cashism"
2008-05-02 23:40 < quanticle> Hmmm, that does make sense.
2008-05-02 23:40 < quanticle> Sort of.
2008-05-02 23:40 < Lucifer_Cat> schizm, chasm,
2008-05-02 23:40 < denelson83> People who practice cashism think absolutely everything depends on money
2008-05-02 23:40 < denelson83> Even eating and breathing
2008-05-02 23:40 < quanticle> Wait what? Firefox crashed...
2008-05-02 23:40 < Lucifer_Cat> crud
2008-05-02 23:41 * denelson83 crashes Firefox quite often
2008-05-02 23:41 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: you should check that guys feedback
2008-05-02 23:41 < quanticle> This is the first time in a long time that FF has gone down unexpectedly...
2008-05-02 23:41 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Do I want to look?
2008-05-02 23:41 < denelson83> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cashism
2008-05-02 23:41 < Lucifer_Cat> ROFLPWNED is a good adjective to use here...GG man
2008-05-02 23:41 < Lucifer_Cat> I think our world 2.1 game was over after 2-3 rounds. The amazing talent he displayed destroyed us.
2008-05-02 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> Beat me in honestly probably the fastest game I've ever played. It'll be a while before I challenge Danbemp to another game.
2008-05-02 23:42 < Huntster> crap. mind saying name again?
2008-05-02 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> kiled 7 players in one tern
2008-05-02 23:42 < denelson83> Lucifer_Cat: What'cha playing?
2008-05-02 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster:
2008-05-02 23:42 < Huntster> ty, working now :)
2008-05-02 23:42 < denelson83> And who's quanticlkle?
2008-05-02 23:42 < Veinor> any quantum mechs in here?
2008-05-02 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> denelson83: that would be quanticle ... who is playing against some kickass guy
2008-05-02 23:43 < denelson83> [20:31:16] <Lucifer_Cat> quanticlkle is playing a guy who has a 33-0 in his favor
2008-05-02 23:43 < Huntster> would be fun to watch.
2008-05-02 23:43 < denelson83> In what game?
2008-05-02 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> denelson83: i know
2008-05-02 23:43 < Veinor> i hae a question
2008-05-02 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> Risk...
2008-05-02 23:43 < denelson83> oh, RISK
2008-05-02 23:43 < Liempt> OH RISK!!
2008-05-02 23:43 < Huntster> any sort of spectator mode?
2008-05-02 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> Register at conquerclub.om
2008-05-02 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> com
2008-05-02 23:44 < Lucifer_Cat> and game #2360062
2008-05-02 23:44 < Huntster> hmm!
2008-05-02 23:45 * denelson83 played RISK with WOPR and beat it in one move
2008-05-02 23:47 < Huntster> okay, this is somewhat different than the Risk I've played...
2008-05-02 23:48 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster: yeah, different map
2008-05-02 23:49 < Huntster> aye. Also don't understand the neutral coloured numbers...
2008-05-02 23:50 < Huntster> Time to read up. Always enjoyed the board game.
2008-05-02 23:50 < Lucifer_Cat> theyre neutral. they sit there waiting to be sodomized
2008-05-02 23:51 < denelson83> sodomized and gomorrahfied?
2008-05-02 23:51 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah, sure
2008-05-02 23:52 < Huntster> Interesting. Don't know if I've always played incorrectly, but the map was fully divided amongst players with no empty zones.
2008-05-02 23:53 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah, they do that in real games. idk why the board is like this atm
2008-05-02 23:54 < FastLizard4|Food> Lucifer_Cat: Found your game
2008-05-02 23:54 < quanticle> Huntster: In this game there are neutral territories that have to be conquered as well. In this sense, its more like axis and allies.
2008-05-02 23:54 < Huntster> Hmm. Creates an interesting buffer between the two players.
2008-05-02 23:54 < Lucifer_Cat> Speedy Lizzy: What?
2008-05-02 23:55 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: Risk game
2008-05-02 23:55 < CatServ`> I'm viewing it
2008-05-02 23:55 < denelson83> Who is Spee... Oh, never mind
2008-05-02 23:55 < quanticle> Huntster: Yeah, he's using the neutral territory to protect his stragegic reserve as it were...
2008-05-02 23:55 < Lucifer_Cat> its quanticle 's not mine
2008-05-02 23:56 < denelson83> s/stragegic/strategic/
2008-05-02 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> denelson83: fast lizard
2008-05-02 23:56 < CatServ`> quanticle: Then I am in the game
2008-05-02 23:56 < quanticle> denelson83: Yeah.
2008-05-02 23:56 < CatServ`> Rather, viewing it
2008-05-02 23:56 < quanticle> Anyway, do we want to start a new game? I can set one up, and we can have a #wikipedia risk match...
2008-05-02 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> how bout a 4 playa wiki game
2008-05-02 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> heh
2008-05-02 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> sure
2008-05-02 23:56 * denelson83 is listening to "Michael Jackson - Beat It" (4:19 - 128kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-02 23:56 < Lucifer_Cat> 4/5 playa
2008-05-02 23:57 * Lucifer_Cat beats denelson83
2008-05-02 23:57 < quanticle> Ok, who else wants in?
2008-05-02 23:57 < Lucifer_Cat> glad to oblige
2008-05-02 23:57 < Huntster> quanticle, aye, looks like poor little Coimbra's in the hot seat.
2008-05-02 23:57 < CatServ`> quanticle: Me does
2008-05-02 23:57 < Huntster> sure, I'll try.
2008-05-02 23:57 < Lucifer_Cat> denelson83: wanna play
2008-05-02 23:58 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: you setting it up?
2008-05-02 23:58 * denelson83 ain't interested in Risk
2008-05-02 23:58 < denelson83> whiskey
2008-05-02 23:58 < denelson83> tango
2008-05-02 23:59 < denelson83> foxtrot? - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2696358.html?menu
2008-05-02 23:59 < Lucifer_Cat> everyone get to the "game finder" page
2008-05-02 23:59 < CatServ`> At finer
2008-05-02 23:59 < CatServ`> *finder
2008-05-02 23:59 < CatServ`> Standing by
2008-05-02 23:59 * Lucifer_Cat Standing By.
2008-05-02 23:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster: comply
2008-05-02 23:59 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: do you copy?
2008-05-02 23:59 < Huntster> i'm there.
2008-05-03 00:00 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: i repeat, do you copy/
2008-05-03 00:00 < quanticle> I copy.
2008-05-03 00:00 < quanticle> How many players?
2008-05-03 00:00 < Lucifer_Cat> 4
2008-05-03 00:01 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Map?
2008-05-03 00:01 < Lucifer_Cat> you might wanna keep 5-6 yjouhj
2008-05-03 00:01 < Lucifer_Cat> though
2008-05-03 00:01 < Lucifer_Cat> middle east? it seems spread out enough for 4
2008-05-03 00:01 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: I'm keeping 5 open.
2008-05-03 00:01 < Lucifer_Cat> ok
2008-05-03 00:02 < CatServ`> What should I join?
2008-05-03 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> he'll post the game #
2008-05-03 00:02 < Lucifer_Cat> and we will all get in hopefully before too late
2008-05-03 00:04 < quanticle> 2360353
2008-05-03 00:04 < quanticle> Go Go Go!
2008-05-03 00:04 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: 2360353
2008-05-03 00:05 < Lubaf> One of these days, I'm going to put on some User's talk page, under the heading "Not being lame...": "UR doin it wrong!"
2008-05-03 00:06 < Lucifer_Cat> ok so for the 5th one...
2008-05-03 00:06 < CatServ`> In
2008-05-03 00:06 < Lucifer_Cat> saw you
2008-05-03 00:06 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: you see any option to move on without 5th?
2008-05-03 00:07 < CatServ`> whoops, wrong button :P
2008-05-03 00:08 < Lucifer_Cat> what did you do
2008-05-03 00:08 < Lucifer_Cat> dropped it?
2008-05-03 00:08 < CatServ`> yeah
2008-05-03 00:08 < CatServ`> rejoined though
2008-05-03 00:08 < CatServ`> Heya bumm13 :)
2008-05-03 00:08 < bumm13> hi
2008-05-03 00:09 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster: you there?
2008-05-03 00:09 < Huntster> I'm here.
2008-05-03 00:09 < Lucifer_Cat> ahh u are. didnt see you in that list
2008-05-03 00:09 < CatServ`> >:(
2008-05-03 00:09 < CatServ`> Who are we waiting for?
2008-05-03 00:09 < Huntster> Is it safe to step out for a moment for smoke?
2008-05-03 00:09 < Huntster> random 5th player.
2008-05-03 00:10 < Lucifer_Cat> sure
2008-05-03 00:10 < Huntster> k, brb.
2008-05-03 00:11 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: we got Hutler, Stolin, Missylini, Crutchill... waiting for Polio
2008-05-03 00:11 < CatServ`> XD
2008-05-03 00:11 < CatServ`> XD XDX
2008-05-03 00:14 < Huntster> bakc
2008-05-03 00:14 < Huntster> rather, back.
2008-05-03 00:14 < Lucifer_Cat> ooo my turn
2008-05-03 00:15 < Huntster> and if anyone is interested, tomorrow (Saturday) is Free Comic Book Day.
2008-05-03 00:17 < Lucifer_Cat> grrr... this interface is irritating. 2 misclicks already
2008-05-03 00:19 < Huntster> oi, figures I would get most of my units in the near east...most easily attacked region!
2008-05-03 00:19 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: What is taking you so loing?!
2008-05-03 00:19 < Huntster> your turn.
2008-05-03 00:19 < Lucifer_Cat> its your turn, freak
2008-05-03 00:21 < CatServ`> You guys, talk on the in-game chat, it's disconcerting bouncing to and from on IRC
2008-05-03 00:21 < CatServ`> Huntster: It's your goddamn turn!
2008-05-03 00:22 < quanticle> Wow. My units are... scattered.
2008-05-03 00:23 * Messedrocker would imagine that a Wii skiing game, if properly executed, would be great
2008-05-03 00:23 < Werdna> quanticle what are you playing?
2008-05-03 00:24 < Huntster> quanticle, mine too, cept for near east.
2008-05-03 00:24 < CatServ`> Werdna: Online risk
2008-05-03 00:24 < Werdna> lol
2008-05-03 00:24 < CatServ`> Dammit people, talk in the ingame chat
2008-05-03 00:24 < amidaniel> O.o
2008-05-03 00:24 < Krimpet> Messedrocker: only if it includes an abominable snowman that eats you up if you ski too long, like SkiFree
2008-05-03 00:24 < Messedrocker> the problem, though,
2008-05-03 00:25 < Messedrocker> is that it would probably be improperly executed
2008-05-03 00:26 < bumm13> Krimpet: heh
2008-05-03 00:28 < CatServ`> quanticle: your turn
2008-05-03 00:28 < Huntster> !ping quanticle
2008-05-03 00:28 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: your turn
2008-05-03 00:28 < Huntster> lol
2008-05-03 00:28 < Lucifer_Cat> rofl.. that was un cordinated
2008-05-03 00:28 < Huntster> my fault :P
2008-05-03 00:28 < CatServ`> === quanticle: idle for 6 minutes, 37 seconds (on since Friday, May 02, 2008 4:11:10 PM) :O
2008-05-03 00:29 < Huntster> We need three or four games going simultaneously.
2008-05-03 00:29 < CatServ`> hehe
2008-05-03 00:30 < CatServ`> !superping quanticle
2008-05-03 00:30 < CatServ`> !nuke quanticle
2008-05-03 00:30 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah. since i have 3 chess games going on too. that should take care of whatever social life i have
2008-05-03 00:30 < Huntster> need voice chat. to yell at other players.
2008-05-03 00:30 < Huntster> Lucifer_Cat, lmao
2008-05-03 00:30 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-05-03 00:30 < Lucifer_Cat> i say get his phone #
2008-05-03 00:30 < CatServ`> QUANTICLE!!!!!1111!!1!11one
2008-05-03 00:30 < CatServ`> Huntster: Skype ;)
2008-05-03 00:31 < Huntster> I'm a violent player sometimes. I remember playing Risk once and running over other character's figures with my cannon.
2008-05-03 00:31 < Huntster> Never used it.
2008-05-03 00:32 < Huntster> I've actually got it on this comp, I think...just never had a microphone till now.
2008-05-03 00:35 < quanticle> CatServ`: Yeah, I'm moving... I'm moving. Geez. What's the rush?
2008-05-03 00:40 * Mahlzahn looks around for the Ceiling Cat
2008-05-03 00:42 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Heh. I think I just lost Afghanistan.
2008-05-03 00:43 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-05-03 00:43 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: chat in the game
2008-05-03 00:43 < CatServ`> Huntster: Your turn
2008-05-03 00:44 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Sure.
2008-05-03 00:46 < Huntster> :)
2008-05-03 00:48 < I_am_Keegan> hmmmmm
2008-05-03 00:48 < I_am_Keegan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane_airbags
2008-05-03 00:48 < I_am_Keegan> that has the potential of FA [[Shoe polish]]
2008-05-03 00:48 < I_am_Keegan> Someone go earn a DYK :D
2008-05-03 00:49 < Lucifer_Cat> phooey... i dont think a lot yet in chess
2008-05-03 00:49 < The359> not long enough for DYK
2008-05-03 00:50 < yao_ziyua1> is it possible there is an Iron Man torrent now?
2008-05-03 00:50 < Messedrocker> shoe polish
2008-05-03 00:50 < Messedrocker> polish shoe
2008-05-03 00:50 < Messedrocker> two different things btw
2008-05-03 00:51 < CatServ`> quanticle Huntster Lucifer_Cat: I am creating a new game
2008-05-03 00:51 < CatServ`> pink went offline
2008-05-03 00:51 < Lucifer_Cat> okie
2008-05-03 00:52 < Lucifer_Cat> and Huntster dude.. think of what you just did
2008-05-03 00:52 < CatServ`> Anyone have a map I should choose?
2008-05-03 00:52 < Monobi> nmap
2008-05-03 00:52 < CatServ`> :O
2008-05-03 00:52 < I_am_Keegan> The359: I meant expand it for a DYK
2008-05-03 00:52 < Huntster> Hey, didn't say I was any good. anyway, I choose to consolidate forces.
2008-05-03 00:52 < CatServ`> San francisco!
2008-05-03 00:52 < yao_ziyua1> me more interested in this: "Raytheon is bringing 'Iron Man' to life, according to EETimes. 'The movie opens in theaters worldwide today, but the real "iron man" has already been under construction at Raytheon Company (Salt Lake City, Utah) since 2000. Raytheon's Exoskeleton project is the brainchild of project leader Stephen Jacobsen and is being funded by the U.S. Army. The project, according to the company, permits soldiers to don an Exoskeleton
2008-05-03 00:53 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: eww no
2008-05-03 00:53 < CatServ`> Classic?
2008-05-03 00:53 < Lucifer_Cat> nah
2008-05-03 00:53 < CatServ`> Well?
2008-05-03 00:53 < quanticle> CatServ`: Ok. Put up the game number when you're ready.
2008-05-03 00:53 < CatServ`> What map?
2008-05-03 00:53 < Lucifer_Cat> ok classic is cool with me though
2008-05-03 00:53 < quanticle> CatServ`: Pick one that you like.
2008-05-03 00:54 < CatServ`> heh
2008-05-03 00:54 < CatServ`> I want to do San Francisco
2008-05-03 00:54 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: Then suggest a map
2008-05-03 00:54 < quanticle> These pictures need to be lolcaptioned: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=563068&in_page_id=1766
2008-05-03 00:54 < CatServ`> The same one?
2008-05-03 00:55 < Huntster> classic or World 2.1
2008-05-03 00:55 < Huntster> is my vote.
2008-05-03 00:55 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: same or how does age of merchants look
2008-05-03 00:55 < Lucifer_Cat> lemme look at world 2.1
2008-05-03 00:55 < Lucifer_Cat> ask quant as well
2008-05-03 00:55 < Huntster> age of merchants looks...different. might be interesting.
2008-05-03 00:55 < CatServ`> quanticle dosen't care
2008-05-03 00:55 < Lucifer_Cat> world 2.1 is weird
2008-05-03 00:55 < Huntster> but it would be much more complicated compared to regular games.
2008-05-03 00:56 < CatServ`> Age of Merchants it is
2008-05-03 00:56 < Lucifer_Cat> okie
2008-05-03 00:56 * Hildanknight checkmates Lucifer_Cat
2008-05-03 00:56 < Lucifer_Cat> Hildanknight: my knight kealed my keeng
2008-05-03 00:56 < CatServ`> quanticle Huntster Lucifer_Cat: 2360527 GO!GO!GO!
2008-05-03 00:56 < Huntster> in.
2008-05-03 00:56 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle:
2008-05-03 00:57 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: hurry
2008-05-03 00:57 < quanticle> in
2008-05-03 00:57 < Lucifer_Cat> damn that... whats he doing? chatting with girls when theres worlds to conquer?
2008-05-03 00:57 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Naaawww. Homework.
2008-05-03 00:57 < Lucifer_Cat> even worse
2008-05-03 00:58 < Lucifer_Cat> ok my turn. now all chat in the gamebox
2008-05-03 01:01 < Hildanknight> Hypothesis: "Most articles are the result of minor contributions by many editors, but most high-quality articles are primarily written by one or two editors."
2008-05-03 01:03 < quanticle> Hildanknight: I'd sat that's a fairly plausible hypothesis. The issue is in the proof though. It'd be difficult to prove this for all articles, and any sampling method will lead to claims of bias.
2008-05-03 01:04 < Hildanknight> I guess we could prove this by taking a fairly large sample of GAs and FAs, and a fairly large sample of random articles, and checking their history. Of course, as you said, there will be claims of bias.
2008-05-03 01:04 * amidaniel mutters something about automated sampling of all FAs
2008-05-03 01:04 < CatServ`> You're up quanticle!
2008-05-03 01:06 < amidaniel> Determine the percentage contribution of each contributor to each article (that is, what percentage of the current text of the article resulted from this one author) and then list which percentage of our current FAs are >50% the contribution of a small handful of authors, etc.
2008-05-03 01:07 < amidaniel> Could make for a good wikimania presentation :)
2008-05-03 01:08 < Hildanknight> AmiDaniel: I wrote two GAs about Singaporean movies. In both cases, I added almost all the content, but my prose was heavily copy-edited by Haemo. Such an approach would over-estimate his contributions (though I agree that he does deserve credit for them).
2008-05-03 01:09 < amidaniel> That could be countered against, however. Unless he replaced every word of your text, more sophisticated diff algorithms could handle it
2008-05-03 01:09 < amidaniel> Have you seen this nifty diff doo-dad that was proposed on wikitech-l some time ago?
2008-05-03 01:10 < Hildanknight> If my hypothesis is tested and found to be true, it will help us better understand the nature of collaboration on Wikipedia. In particular, it will mean that [[WP:OWN]] is a bad policy that discourages high-quality content contributions.
2008-05-03 01:10 < Hildanknight> I haven't seen the doo-dad.
2008-05-03 01:10 < amidaniel> Well, I'm not sure about that :)
2008-05-03 01:11 < amidaniel> Hm .. can't seem to find it in the archives right now.
2008-05-03 01:11 < amidaniel> It was one of the coolest diff algorithms I've seen though.
2008-05-03 01:11 < amidaniel> Had something n^n complexity, but was still cool nonetheless :D
2008-05-03 01:11 < quanticle> FastLizard4: Its your turn.
2008-05-03 01:11 < CatServ`> got it
2008-05-03 01:12 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`:
2008-05-03 01:12 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: see what?
2008-05-03 01:12 < Messedrocker> would you say /dev/null is an example of Virtual WOM?
2008-05-03 01:13 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: How Puerto Grazio won two lopsided battles...
2008-05-03 01:13 < amidaniel> Messedrocker: Umm ...
2008-05-03 01:13 < amidaniel> I suppose so ...
2008-05-03 01:13 < amidaniel> It's not really "memory" though ..
2008-05-03 01:13 < Messedrocker> that's what makes it Virtual
2008-05-03 01:14 < amidaniel> heh, true :)
2008-05-03 01:14 < Lucifer_Cat> ok so huntster is out
2008-05-03 01:14 < Lucifer_Cat> we are losing enemies
2008-05-03 01:16 < quanticle> Heh. I think I'm going to be out as well soon.
2008-05-03 01:16 < quanticle> Its pretty late here.
2008-05-03 01:16 < The359> so, it looks like Rockstar Games may have fucked up the "Greatest Game Ever"
2008-05-03 01:16 < quanticle> The359: What's wrong with GTA:IV?
2008-05-03 01:16 < Lucifer_Cat> wow its past 21
2008-05-03 01:16 < Lucifer_Cat> 12
2008-05-03 01:16 < The359> XBox 360 and PS3 systems are suffering disc read errors after prolonged play of GTA IV
2008-05-03 01:16 < Netsniper> The359: no kidding - i'm pissed
2008-05-03 01:16 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat quanticle: Creating new game due to loss of huntster, same map, 3 players
2008-05-03 01:17 < The359> I called Sony today
2008-05-03 01:17 < Netsniper> Prolonged playing?
2008-05-03 01:17 < Netsniper> It won't even LOAD here
2008-05-03 01:17 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ`: no wait
2008-05-03 01:17 < The359> Sony's recommendation is flat out: Do not play GTA IV anymore until Rockstar fixes the problem
2008-05-03 01:17 < CatServ`> Lucifer_Cat: Yes?
2008-05-03 01:17 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle is leaving too
2008-05-03 01:17 < Lucifer_Cat> and i might drop off anytime
2008-05-03 01:17 < The359> Mine freezes when it tries to load to or from cut scenes, Netsniper
2008-05-03 01:17 < Netsniper> mine freezes right at "Loading new game"
2008-05-03 01:17 < CatServ`> oh
2008-05-03 01:17 < The359> that appears to be a seperate issue, actually
2008-05-03 01:17 < CatServ`> nvm then
2008-05-03 01:18 < quanticle> Netsniper: XBox360?
2008-05-03 01:18 < The359> GTA IV is basically overworking both systems, causing them to overheat, which causes the disc reader to get out of alignment, and then it can't load the next scene from the disc
2008-05-03 01:18 < Netsniper> The359: Any fixes?
2008-05-03 01:18 < Lucifer_Cat> tomorrow...
2008-05-03 01:18 < The359> AND also causes you to not be able to load any other discs
2008-05-03 01:18 < The359> until the system cools
2008-05-03 01:18 < Netsniper> weak!
2008-05-03 01:18 < quanticle> The359: Not exactly a fault of the game then, is it?
2008-05-03 01:18 < Lucifer_Cat> CatServ` quanticle : we shall meet in battle again tomorrow... for tonight, let us feast
2008-05-03 01:18 < The359> It is, quanticle
2008-05-03 01:18 < CatServ`> OK
2008-05-03 01:19 < The359> They simply try to load too much at the same time
2008-05-03 01:19 < The359> they're pushing the system's boundries
2008-05-03 01:19 < The359> but they seem to have forgotten that the systems run more than just games at the same time
2008-05-03 01:19 < The359> I called Rockstar, they said they are aware of the problem, and they have no timeline for fixing it
2008-05-03 01:19 < quanticle> The359: Why is it Rockstar's fault that Microsoft's hardware can't handle what's thrown at it? Also, if this is such a problem, then why did Microsoft certify the game for the XBox?
2008-05-03 01:19 < Netsniper> i don't see how they could rationalize releasing a game that is so flawed
2008-05-03 01:19 < The359> But their recommendation is to basically unplug everything
2008-05-03 01:19 < Netsniper> i'm on ps3 here
2008-05-03 01:19 < The359> Because Rockstar assumes the hardware is working JUST on the system, quanticle
2008-05-03 01:20 < quanticle> Netsniper: Well, s/Microsoft/Sony for your case.
2008-05-03 01:20 < The359> They forgot that those systems run online software
2008-05-03 01:20 < The359> Messaging
2008-05-03 01:20 < The359> Internal checks
2008-05-03 01:20 < Messedrocker> couldn't the PS3 potentially be a nerd computer?
2008-05-03 01:20 < The359> Rumble control
2008-05-03 01:20 < Netsniper> background processes
2008-05-03 01:20 < Messedrocker> a really geeky powerhouse of a computer
2008-05-03 01:20 < Messedrocker> since you can install linux, and plug a keyboard and mouse into it?
2008-05-03 01:20 < The359> yes, messedrocker
2008-05-03 01:20 < Messedrocker> i'd probably get a PS3 just for that
2008-05-03 01:20 < Messedrocker> but i don't have that much money to blow
2008-05-03 01:21 < The359> quanticle, to show that Rockstar overdid it, Rockstar's recommendations, temporarily
2008-05-03 01:21 < The359> Are to shut off everything you can that is running in the background
2008-05-03 01:21 < The359> Messaging, unplug the internet, turn off auto connect, turn off rumble on controllers
2008-05-03 01:22 < The359> Turn off the autosave feature in the game
2008-05-03 01:22 < The359> Anything that would make the system worker harder than it already needs to just to run the game itself
2008-05-03 01:22 < quanticle> The359: As I see it, then, the current generation of consoles completely undermine the argument in favor of console gaming. The purpose behind owning a console was that you'd have a game machine, one that *wasn't* burdened with the sorts of additional overhead that PCs had to deal with. The combination of low overhead and standard hardware was supposed to allow the developers to push the boundaries much further without requiring upgrades. No
2008-05-03 01:23 < Messedrocker> quanticle, au contraire
2008-05-03 01:23 < Messedrocker> the Wii is very consoley
2008-05-03 01:23 < The359> I think it's not necessarily that they're pushing all boundries
2008-05-03 01:23 < The359> it's just that GTA attempts to load too much into the system cache
2008-05-03 01:23 < The359> They attempt to load the entire city at one time
2008-05-03 01:23 < quanticle> Messedrocker: That is true. This is why the only "modern" console I own is a Wii. But even with the Wii, there are online services. Brawl has an online play option, for example.
2008-05-03 01:23 < The359> so there's no loading when you drive from one end to the other
2008-05-03 01:24 < Messedrocker> and the online things are good
2008-05-03 01:24 < The359> the only time the system "loads" is when it switches to a cut scene
2008-05-03 01:24 < quanticle> The359: That's a bad thing? I know that Jak and Daxter pulled off the same sort of thing very successfully with the PS2.
2008-05-03 01:24 < The359> I doubt the world was as big as GTA IV's
2008-05-03 01:24 < The359> even GTA SA didn't attempt to load everything at once
2008-05-03 01:25 < The359> I do however agree a bit that the problem is also on the hardware side
2008-05-03 01:25 < Messedrocker> why did Rockstar make two GTA games between GTA3 and GTA4?
2008-05-03 01:25 < The359> Not that they don't allow company's to push the limits
2008-05-03 01:25 < quanticle> The359: Of course not, but there are techniques. You don't have to load the *entire* map at once. You can split the map into zones and simply load the zones surrounding the player. As the player moves into an adjacent zone, you load up the zones that are adjacent to *it* in the background.
2008-05-03 01:25 < The359> but just that the cooling is lacking in an attempt to keep the noise down
2008-05-03 01:26 < quanticle> The359: As I recall, that's how Jak and Daxter became the first PS2 game to be entirely free of load screens.
2008-05-03 01:26 < Netsniper> daxflame
2008-05-03 01:26 < The359> yes, GTA:SA did similar things, quanticle
2008-05-03 01:26 < The359> but GTA IV literally loads it all
2008-05-03 01:26 < quanticle> Messedrocker: The reason for Vice City and San Andreas was to keep the hype alive while they worked on the new engine for GTA:IV.
2008-05-03 01:27 < Messedrocker> ah
2008-05-03 01:27 < Messedrocker> so they were filler games, but good filler games?
2008-05-03 01:27 < The359> There were two "sequels" of sorts after GTA 1, MessedRocker
2008-05-03 01:27 < The359> before GTA 2
2008-05-03 01:27 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Yeah. Filler doesn't necessarily imply bad.
2008-05-03 01:27 < The359> I'd say evolutions rather than filler
2008-05-03 01:28 < The359> slight improvements over the existing game until they can launch something entirely different
2008-05-03 01:28 < Messedrocker> ah
2008-05-03 01:28 < The359> Like GTA2 went into GTA3
2008-05-03 01:28 < quanticle> Messedrocker: The way the GTA numbering system works is that they increment the number everytime the come out with a new graphics engine. So, GTA:IV represents the fourth iteration of their graphics engine, which first debuted in their Ping Pong game.
2008-05-03 01:28 < The359> and now GTA3 and its spin offs are completely different from GTA IV
2008-05-03 01:28 < Messedrocker> i've thought of ideas of consoles of my own, that are more consoley than computery
2008-05-03 01:29 < Messedrocker> because while the xbox 360 is neat, it's too computery
2008-05-03 01:29 < quanticle> Rockstar Ping Pong was essentially a paid-for demo of the GTA:IV graphics engine.
2008-05-03 01:29 < The359> I agree Messed
2008-05-03 01:29 < The359> I wish the systems were more about just games instead of all the other junk they do now
2008-05-03 01:29 < The359> Give me gameplay and online play
2008-05-03 01:29 < quanticle> Messedrocker: You should get a Wii. Its the last of the consoles to maintain an exclusive focus on games.
2008-05-03 01:29 < The359> that's all I need
2008-05-03 01:29 < Messedrocker> i'd design a console but i lack the capital to
2008-05-03 01:30 < The359> I don't need DVD playback
2008-05-03 01:30 < Messedrocker> and also i don't know any game developers
2008-05-03 01:30 < I_am_Keegan> Messedrocker:Didn't Gates say the point of the Xbox was to computerize family entertainment?
2008-05-03 01:30 < Messedrocker> quanticle, I've had one since February 2007
2008-05-03 01:30 * Krimpet misses the days when blowing on the cartridge was enough to get the system working again
2008-05-03 01:30 < Messedrocker> quanticle, I also own 9 games for it
2008-05-03 01:30 < amidaniel> hehe
2008-05-03 01:30 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: word.
2008-05-03 01:30 < quanticle> I_am_Keegan: Indeed. The XBox 360 was a play towards being an all-in-one home entertainment device.
2008-05-03 01:30 < The359> heh
2008-05-03 01:30 < The359> that's what pissed me off with my PS3 problems, Krimpet
2008-05-03 01:30 < Messedrocker> quanticle, which is a bad idea
2008-05-03 01:30 < Lucifer_Cat> my mom never let me own a console though :|
2008-05-03 01:30 < Messedrocker> make a video game console, or don't
2008-05-03 01:30 < The359> in 20+ years, I've only had 1 system actually break on me
2008-05-03 01:31 < The359> my original NES. In 2004.
2008-05-03 01:31 < Messedrocker> your NES finally died? D:
2008-05-03 01:31 < I_am_Keegan> My PS2 suffered the fatal disc read error
2008-05-03 01:31 < The359> yes
2008-05-03 01:31 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Yeah, but Microsoft saw Sony making the same sorts of moves by introducing DVD playback in the PS2 (and Blu-Ray with the PS3), and felt they had no choice.
2008-05-03 01:31 < I_am_Keegan> long ago
2008-05-03 01:31 * I_am_Keegan doesn't play games, btw
2008-05-03 01:31 < Krimpet> the Wii does seem to be keeping the spirit alive, at least
2008-05-03 01:31 < quanticle> I_am_Keegan: My PS2 had the same error just recently.
2008-05-03 01:31 < The359> my original PS2 still runs fine
2008-05-03 01:31 < The359> it's even the very first model
2008-05-03 01:32 < Messedrocker> quanticle, if MS wanted to make an all-in-one family entertainment set, they should've abandoned the Xbox brand since it's permanently associated with things like Halo
2008-05-03 01:32 < quanticle> The359: Lucky you.
2008-05-03 01:32 < The359> my PS3 however, is only 5 months old before I ran into these GTA problems
2008-05-03 01:32 < Messedrocker> easier to make a new brand than to change around an existing one
2008-05-03 01:32 < The359> so hopefully they are not permanent
2008-05-03 01:32 < I_am_Keegan> Yeah, PS2s, from what I read, suffer the lens going out eventually
2008-05-03 01:32 < Krimpet> I had an Xbox back in 2001, and within a year, it was already scratching any CD put into it
2008-05-03 01:32 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Microsoft is trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep their audience of gamers while expanding into the home entertainment space.
2008-05-03 01:32 < I_am_Keegan> quanticle: at least they
2008-05-03 01:32 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Its the same story with Sony.
2008-05-03 01:33 < Messedrocker> see, Nintendo is smart. They know they're nothing but a video game company and they stuck to that.
2008-05-03 01:33 < I_am_Keegan> at least they're greedy enough to port :)
2008-05-03 01:33 < Krimpet> I don't get this "family entertainment" business myself
2008-05-03 01:33 < quanticle> I_am_Keegan: Huh?
2008-05-03 01:33 < I_am_Keegan> as opposed to
2008-05-03 01:33 < I_am_Keegan> Apple
2008-05-03 01:33 < The359> Sony tried to sell a pure "Entertainment System" in Japan, that was less for gaming
2008-05-03 01:33 < The359> It was a failure
2008-05-03 01:33 < I_am_Keegan> sorry, typing on a laptop
2008-05-03 01:33 < Messedrocker> Krimpet, "people like movies, people like video games, so let's complicate the shit out of it"
2008-05-03 01:33 < I_am_Keegan> I'm not used to it
2008-05-03 01:33 < quanticle> Krimpet: Basically Microsoft wants to be an all-in-one entertainment system, capable of playing music, movies, and games.
2008-05-03 01:33 < I_am_Keegan> IIRC, Nintendo started out making playing cards :P
2008-05-03 01:34 < quanticle> Krimpet: One stop shop; vertical monopoly; whatever.
2008-05-03 01:34 < Krimpet> I don't even _want_ to play music on my TV
2008-05-03 01:34 < The359> combining Gameplay with DVD playback isn't a massive leap, honestly
2008-05-03 01:34 < Messedrocker> I_am_Keegan, yes; I said they ARE a video game company, as in that is what they are now
2008-05-03 01:34 < The359> But combining a PS3 with your PSP?
2008-05-03 01:34 < The359> wtf
2008-05-03 01:34 < quanticle> Krimpet: Well, lots of people have their XBox or PlayStation hooked up to a nice home theater system.
2008-05-03 01:34 < I_am_Keegan> Krimpet: but you get that cool logo bouncing around to the music!
2008-05-03 01:34 < Messedrocker> The359, reminds me of the Game Boy Advance thing for GameCube
2008-05-03 01:34 < Krimpet> quanticle: another thing I find somewhat pointless. :)
2008-05-03 01:34 * I_am_Keegan deals Messedrocker 6/2 off suit.
2008-05-03 01:35 < quanticle> The359: Combining gameplay with DVD playback - neo-Laserdisc?
2008-05-03 01:35 < Messedrocker> "PlayStation" is a really corny name, once you look at it thoroughly
2008-05-03 01:35 * Lady_Aleena wanders in and sits on the Chesterfield sofa.
2008-05-03 01:35 * Krimpet has her wii hooked up to a 20" TV on top of a cardboard box. works wonders.
2008-05-03 01:35 < The359> a bit, quanticle
2008-05-03 01:35 < Messedrocker> my Wii is hooked up to a 15 inch-or-so broadscreen LCD pseudo-HDTV
2008-05-03 01:35 < The359> SEGA I think actually combined DVD playback with Videogames first
2008-05-03 01:35 < quanticle> Messedrocker: It is pretty corny, but its too late to change it now. Besides, how could it possibly be worse than "Wii".
2008-05-03 01:35 < The359> with SegaCD
2008-05-03 01:36 < Messedrocker> quanticle, when i first saw the name "Wii", it sounded like some anime thing to me
2008-05-03 01:36 < The359> PlayStation just sounds very "Japanese"
2008-05-03 01:36 < quanticle> The359: Heh. I refuse to acknowledge the Sega CD.
2008-05-03 01:36 < Messedrocker> The359, CD, not DVD
2008-05-03 01:36 < quanticle> The359: Its all about the CamelCase capitalization.
2008-05-03 01:36 < Messedrocker> and the Sega CD is an add-on not a console
2008-05-03 01:36 < The359> Yes, but the CD's were the first to use Full Motion Video, Messedrocker
2008-05-03 01:36 < Krimpet> DVD didn't exist at the time PlayStation and Sega CD were introduced
2008-05-03 01:36 < Messedrocker> actually i think they did exist
2008-05-03 01:36 < Messedrocker> but they weren't mainstream
2008-05-03 01:37 < quanticle> Krimpet: Heh. And this is why Final Fantasy 7 was spread across four discs.
2008-05-03 01:37 < The359> SegaCD had several Movie/Game hybrids
2008-05-03 01:37 < Krimpet> no, DVD wasn't introduced until '97 or so.
2008-05-03 01:37 < I_am_Keegan> SegaCD!
2008-05-03 01:37 < quanticle> Messedrocker: IIRC the PS2 was one of the best early DVD players.
2008-05-03 01:37 < I_am_Keegan> I had a friend that had the Sega
2008-05-03 01:37 < quanticle> I_am_Keegan: Genesis?
2008-05-03 01:37 < I_am_Keegan> CD consule
2008-05-03 01:37 < The359> I don't think PSX could play Video CDs either
2008-05-03 01:37 < Krimpet> becoming mainstream a few years later
2008-05-03 01:37 < I_am_Keegan> not just the add on discman
2008-05-03 01:37 < The359> quanticle, not the first model PS2s
2008-05-03 01:38 < quanticle> I_am_Keegan: Sega Saturn?
2008-05-03 01:38 < I_am_Keegan> no, SegaCD
2008-05-03 01:38 < quanticle> The359: Huh?
2008-05-03 01:38 < The359> The very first PS2s had playback issues where the DVD sound was only set to Half
2008-05-03 01:38 < Messedrocker> the DVD standard came out in 1995
2008-05-03 01:38 < The359> So you had to turn your sound up any time you wanted to play a DVD
2008-05-03 01:38 < quanticle> The359: Oh, really?
2008-05-03 01:38 < Messedrocker> Doesn't mean they were used then, though
2008-05-03 01:38 < The359> yes, mine has it quanticle
2008-05-03 01:38 < I_am_Keegan> My art teacher in high school used laserdisc
2008-05-03 01:38 < I_am_Keegan> it was so high tech
2008-05-03 01:38 < quanticle> The359: I've never had that issue, but then again, I thin I've only played two or three DVDs on my PS2.