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2008-05-02 14:10 < Ceiling_Cat> erm, name changing*
2008-05-02 14:10 < enok|walker> My article got deleted as a test page for no reason wut
2008-05-02 14:11 < Mike_H> Demi: She met him while they were both in the Air Force. She got a discharge after having a baby.
2008-05-02 14:11 < Working_Cat> enok|walker: what article
2008-05-02 14:11 < Demi> zocky - well, i don't know what smart means, but in school age i was certainly very very good at taking IQ tests and similar things.
2008-05-02 14:11 < zocky> Demi, yeah, me too.. I always wondered what was the big deal, when it was all obvious
2008-05-02 14:11 < enok|walker> userpage
2008-05-02 14:11 < Demi> Mike_H - did he go in at 18?
2008-05-02 14:11 < WAvegetarian> so...did the whole #wikipedia-social experiment die?
2008-05-02 14:12 < Mike_H> Demi: No, he went in when he was 21. He's been in for 21 years now.
2008-05-02 14:12 < zocky> WAvegetarian, killed with fire
2008-05-02 14:12 < Mike_H> He's three years older than her. '66/'69
2008-05-02 14:12 < Demi> zocky - this really only makes the crushing disappointment of being a not-so-special adult harder, i think
2008-05-02 14:12 < Demi> Mike_H - ah okay
2008-05-02 14:12 < Demi> Mike_H - what is she studying?
2008-05-02 14:12 < Mike_H> She went in when she was 18 though.
2008-05-02 14:12 < zocky> Demi, drugs are the anser
2008-05-02 14:12 < zocky> *w
2008-05-02 14:12 < Mike_H> She was in for six years, from '87 to '93
2008-05-02 14:12 < Demi> zocky - i should have tried that
2008-05-02 14:13 < Phoenixwi> any C&C fans here?
2008-05-02 14:13 < Mike_H> Demi: she wanted to do medicine
2008-05-02 14:13 < Mike_H> but she said she couldn't memorize everything
2008-05-02 14:13 < Mike_H> so now she's doing philosophy and psychology, she says she can handle those things
2008-05-02 14:13 < Mike_H> She's very serious about it, she's already planned where she's going to for her master's.
2008-05-02 14:13 < zocky> anybody with a big mouth can handle those things, Mike_H
2008-05-02 14:13 < Demi> cool
2008-05-02 14:14 < Demi> my wife majored in psychology
2008-05-02 14:14 < zocky> Demi, is there any lasting damage?
2008-05-02 14:14 < sfdag> :(
2008-05-02 14:14 < Demi> zocky - i wouldn't say so. she got her master's in "community development." but her actual career has been in art and design.
2008-05-02 14:14 < Demi> animation and graphic design, basically
2008-05-02 14:15 < Mike_H> Demi: anyway
2008-05-02 14:15 < Mike_H> my sister's already planned where she's going for her master's
2008-05-02 14:15 < Mike_H> she's very serious about it all
2008-05-02 14:15 < Demi> that's cool. how old is her son or daughter?
2008-05-02 14:15 < Mike_H> She has three kids
2008-05-02 14:15 < Mike_H> 18, 12 and 6
2008-05-02 14:15 < Demi> oh okay
2008-05-02 14:15 < zocky> damn, their ages will never again be this perfect
2008-05-02 14:16 < zocky> unless she has another one like right now
2008-05-02 14:16 < Mike_H> zocky: she wants one, but her husband said he'd pay for his own vasectomy before that will ever happen
2008-05-02 14:16 < zocky> :)
2008-05-02 14:16 < Demi> zocky - as a metric enthusiast, surely you would only admire a spread of 100, 10 and 1 years of age?
2008-05-02 14:17 < zocky> Demi, that would be if I was a decimal system fanatic
2008-05-02 14:17 < Working_Cat> the bugger got a barnstar in as far back as 2004
2008-05-02 14:17 < your_face_> amazing
2008-05-02 14:17 < Working_Cat> in your_face_
2008-05-02 14:17 < your_face_> my school doesn't have this blocked
2008-05-02 14:17 < Demi> zocky - oh, right, you have to measure age in seconds
2008-05-02 14:18 < your_face_> just wow
2008-05-02 14:18 < zocky> Demi, haha
2008-05-02 14:18 < zocky> Demi, you don't HAVE to. days and years are allowed
2008-05-02 14:18 < Working_Cat> your_face_: now that they know. they will block it.
2008-05-02 14:18 * Working_Cat muzzles Messedrocker
2008-05-02 14:18 < Messedrocker> Working_Cat: true, I guess I should take advantage while I should
2008-05-02 14:18 < WAvegetarian> Oberlin College has it blocked, but individuals can request access to IRC
2008-05-02 14:18 < Working_Cat> my uni was nice that way
2008-05-02 14:18 < sfdag> I HATE MY CONNECTION
2008-05-02 14:18 < sfdag> it can totally die
2008-05-02 14:19 < Messedrocker> WAvegetarian: !!!!!!!
2008-05-02 14:19 * Working_Cat kills sdfag
2008-05-02 14:19 < WAvegetarian> oh yeah...Hi!
2008-05-02 14:19 < Mike_H> It's "sfdag"
2008-05-02 14:19 < Messedrocker> WA Vegetarian I haven't seen you in like thirty years
2008-05-02 14:19 < Mike_H> not "sd fag"
2008-05-02 14:19 < Messedrocker> why did I know you again?
2008-05-02 14:19 < Working_Cat> rofl.. i didnt even notice the typo
2008-05-02 14:19 < WAvegetarian> i was very active on IRC for a while
2008-05-02 14:19 < WAvegetarian> elected admin
2008-05-02 14:19 < Working_Cat> really Mike_H it was unintended
2008-05-02 14:19 < Messedrocker> yeah, but i knew you for a particular reason
2008-05-02 14:19 < Messedrocker> mike h is an SD Fag though
2008-05-02 14:20 < WAvegetarian> worked on the helpdesk
2008-05-02 14:20 < Messedrocker> or he would be if he were from san diego
2008-05-02 14:20 < Messedrocker> that's not it
2008-05-02 14:20 < WAvegetarian> umm
2008-05-02 14:20 < WAvegetarian> we could go back and look through contribs
2008-05-02 14:20 * Mike_H slaps Messedrocker around a bit with a large trout
2008-05-02 14:20 < WAvegetarian> we both started relatively young
2008-05-02 14:21 < Messedrocker> my first edit to wikipedia was when i was 12 years old
2008-05-02 14:21 < WAvegetarian> i started in high school
2008-05-02 14:21 < Mike_H> mine was when I was 18
2008-05-02 14:21 < Messedrocker> you know who else i remember? PZFUN
2008-05-02 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> oh yah
2008-05-02 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> what has he been up to?
2008-05-02 14:22 < Messedrocker> i loved his class picture. a bunch of well-dressed, tiny chinese people
2008-05-02 14:22 < Messedrocker> and a tall SA in jeans
2008-05-02 14:22 < Mike_H> PZFUN was PZHOT
2008-05-02 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - they called him Kareem ;P
2008-05-02 14:22 < Messedrocker> why?
2008-05-02 14:22 < Messedrocker> cause he's an african?
2008-05-02 14:22 < enok|walker> guyz
2008-05-02 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - 'cause he was a foot taller than all of them
2008-05-02 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-05-02 14:23 < Messedrocker> ah right
2008-05-02 14:23 < Messedrocker> like kareem abdul jabar
2008-05-02 14:23 < WAvegetarian> enok|walker: did nothing ever happen about your user page?
2008-05-02 14:23 < cimon> gay girls should reclaim the word "Saphic".
2008-05-02 14:24 < Messedrocker> i do hope i don't get busted for this
2008-05-02 14:24 < enok|walker> i dont care anymore
2008-05-02 14:24 < Demi> why can't we just have the ambiguity? of such things are the tiny pleasures of life constructed.
2008-05-02 14:24 < Messedrocker> what happened to enok's user page
2008-05-02 14:24 < WAvegetarian> cimon: that would solve the Lesbos islanders' problems
2008-05-02 14:25 < Messedrocker> couldn't the Lesbos folk call themselves "Lesbosites"?
2008-05-02 14:25 < WAvegetarian> messedrocker: it got deleted as a test page
2008-05-02 14:25 < Demi> we should always have these fun little titters when talking about titmice, the Grand Tetons, breeding bitches and Lesbians.
2008-05-02 14:25 < cimon> or go back to more specific words like "tribadism"
2008-05-02 14:25 < Messedrocker> like how now there is a scientific theory of RACIALISM instead of RACISM?
2008-05-02 14:25 < Messedrocker> cimon, tribadism is a specific practice
2008-05-02 14:25 < cimon> I really like those old victorian word like "gamahuche".
2008-05-02 14:25 < cimon> Messedrocker: yes indeed, that is what I said.
2008-05-02 14:26 < Demi> it's an essential part of the human experience to be an adolescent and chuckle when encountering ejaculations in Harry Potter
2008-05-02 14:26 < Messedrocker> ah yes
2008-05-02 14:26 < Messedrocker> the people ejaculate, in the vocal sense
2008-05-02 14:26 < Demi> right
2008-05-02 14:27 < Demi> that's the sort of cute ambiguity that enriches our lives, we should leave Lesbian the way it is
2008-05-02 14:27 < Messedrocker> hooray for IRC @ school!
2008-05-02 14:27 < Shiroi_Neko> School is not RC
2008-05-02 14:27 < Shiroi_Neko> iRC is a part of iMania
2008-05-02 14:27 < WAvegetarian> ooooh an RC school
2008-05-02 14:27 < Messedrocker> a school for recent changes
2008-05-02 14:27 < WAvegetarian> the flag pole could be the antenna
2008-05-02 14:27 < Shiroi_Neko> iBelieve Messedrocker needs a backrub
2008-05-02 14:27 < cimon> Demi: Even in Enid Blyton there is the poor young chap who after encountering a particular girl, washes his hands several times in the afternoon.
2008-05-02 14:27 * Demi &
2008-05-02 14:28 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-05-02 14:28 < Shiroi_Neko> Demi  
2008-05-02 14:28 < cimon> or "washes his hands" I should say.
2008-05-02 14:28 < WAvegetarian> cimon: isn't that what you said the first time?
2008-05-02 14:28 < Shiroi_Neko> hand washer!
2008-05-02 14:28 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat hates hand washers
2008-05-02 14:28 * Messedrocker watches Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-02 14:28 < cimon> WAvegetarian: well not without the scare quotes
2008-05-02 14:29 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat you any good with c#?
2008-05-02 14:29 < Demi> the implication is that he had his fingers up her hoo-ha
2008-05-02 14:29 < Working_Cat>  
2008-05-02 14:29 < WAvegetarian> cimon: ah, right
2008-05-02 14:29 * Demi &
2008-05-02 14:29 < Working_Cat>  
2008-05-02 14:29 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling Cat
2008-05-02 14:29 < cimon> Demi: nope, that he had polished one off, as we all know you wash your hands after...
2008-05-02 14:30 < Working_Cat> Shiroi_Neko: C# you say hmmmm
2008-05-02 14:30 < The359> –
2008-05-02 14:30 < cimon> Demi: though your thought is also a possibility.
2008-05-02 14:30 < Messedrocker> bai
2008-05-02 14:30 < cimon> I had never thought of it in terms of second base.
2008-05-02 14:30 < Mike_H> cimon: gross people don't wash their hands
2008-05-02 14:30 < Working_Cat> Shiroi_Neko: need help?
2008-05-02 14:30 < Mike_H> my ex-boyfriend never did
2008-05-02 14:30 < Shiroi_Neko> yes
2008-05-02 14:31 < Mike_H> and that's why he's an EX-boyfriend
2008-05-02 14:31 < Mike_H> :))
2008-05-02 14:31 < Working_Cat> about what
2008-05-02 14:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Working_Cat I can email you my code
2008-05-02 14:31 < Working_Cat> im not that dedicated.
2008-05-02 14:31 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, time to go
2008-05-02 14:31 < Working_Cat> :P
2008-05-02 14:31 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-05-02 14:31 * Working_Cat ripples
2008-05-02 14:31 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> ^Lydia^: let me get into Kanye
2008-05-02 14:31 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> mode
2008-05-02 14:31 < Mike_H> * Mike_H gets into Kanye mode
2008-05-02 14:31 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> "George Bush doesn't care about gay people"
2008-05-02 14:31 < Mike_H> * Mike_H returns.
2008-05-02 14:32 < Mike_H> hahahaha
2008-05-02 14:32 < Mike_H> <3
2008-05-02 14:32 < Shiroi_Neko> Working_Cat I need to mae it take a photo
2008-05-02 14:32 < Working_Cat> Shiroi_Neko: i mean i'd love to, but i cant at work. you can try asking in ##csharp
2008-05-02 14:32 < Working_Cat> zomg its DerHexer
2008-05-02 14:32 < Shiroi_Neko> people there arent really charp
2008-05-02 14:32 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-05-02 14:33 < Working_Cat> Shiroi_Neko: true. and only half useful ones are msfags
2008-05-02 14:33 * Mike_H dances with the corpse of kenlyric
2008-05-02 14:33 < Working_Cat> "need to make it take a photo"?
2008-05-02 14:33 < DerHexer> hi Working_Cat
2008-05-02 14:33 < Working_Cat> hey DerHexer
2008-05-02 14:34 < cimon> Mike_H: did you catch the Larry King segment when they had Jenna and Laura on?
2008-05-02 14:34 < Working_Cat> once i thought DerHexer|Absens was someone else talking on his behalf... and kept on referring to him in third person :P
2008-05-02 14:34 < cimon> Mike_H: Jenna Bush sounds like a regular person...
2008-05-02 14:34 < Working_Cat> that too about how juvenile he looked :D
2008-05-02 14:35 < Working_Cat> not the smartest of my moments
2008-05-02 14:35 < Mike_H> cimon: When you're the daughter of the president, you're not allowed to be a regular person
2008-05-02 14:35 < Mike_H> daughters of former presidents could have given her Stepford lessons
2008-05-02 14:35 < Mike_H> like Lynda Johnson
2008-05-02 14:35 < Mike_H> or Tricia Nixon
2008-05-02 14:36 < WAvegetarian> In case you didn't hear, The Onion has been bought out by the BBC
2008-05-02 14:36 < Working_Cat> the third point on todays "Did you know... " is totally uncalled for.
2008-05-02 14:36 < cimon> Hey, Reagans daughter and son were pretty darn their own paiple too...
2008-05-02 14:36 < WAvegetarian> that, or their content has been shamelessly stolen
2008-05-02 14:36 < WAvegetarian> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7379554.stm
2008-05-02 14:36 < Mike_H> cimon: Oh, Patti? Yeah, she was only like shunned by her whole family
2008-05-02 14:36 < cimon> still, proves my point.
2008-05-02 14:37 < Mike_H> "Be your own person, get shunted"
2008-05-02 14:37 < cimon> daddy bush is a lot more tolerant than the reagans were...
2008-05-02 14:38 < cimon> Jenna even said that she isn't a republican supporter, politically.
2008-05-02 14:38 < Working_Cat> WAvegetarian: please label links referring to acts of sex appropriately
2008-05-02 14:39 < WAvegetarian> i considered it to be SFW as it was non-graphic, scientific, and on the BBC news site
2008-05-02 14:40 < Mike_H> cimon: No, she just said she didn't support John McCain
2008-05-02 14:40 < Mike_H> I don't either but I'm still a Republican
2008-05-02 14:40 < Working_Cat> Shiroi_Neko: great help werent they
2008-05-02 14:40 < Shiroi_Neko> no
2008-05-02 14:41 < Working_Cat> Shiroi_Neko: are you the same as White_Cat?
2008-05-02 14:41 < Working_Cat> or thats different?
2008-05-02 14:41 < cimon> Mike_H: actually no, Jenna said she hadn't had time to follow the campaign, so hadn't decided on who to support.
2008-05-02 14:41 < Working_Cat> since White_Cat_Zzz is on
2008-05-02 14:41 < Shiroi_Neko> Working_Cat of course
2008-05-02 14:41 < Shiroi_Neko> White_Cat_Zzz is my home computer
2008-05-02 14:41 < WAvegetarian> video of non-human sex=day time television so i figured a story would be fine
2008-05-02 14:41 < Working_Cat> thats a yes or no? :S
2008-05-02 14:41 < WAvegetarian> sorry
2008-05-02 14:41 < Working_Cat> oh ok
2008-05-02 14:41 < Shiroi_Neko> I am over 500km further away
2008-05-02 14:42 < Working_Cat> WAvegetarian: thats okay, just to save some people some embarassment next time :)
2008-05-02 14:42 < cimon> Mike_H: have you seen Meghan McCains blog, btw?
2008-05-02 14:42 < Messedrocker> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/01/0628254
2008-05-02 14:43 < Messedrocker> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/01/0628254
2008-05-02 14:43 < Working_Cat> jeez, you only need to post it once
2008-05-02 14:43 < Zginder> Why do we not move all BLPs to all a BLP namespace.
2008-05-02 14:43 < Zginder> ?
2008-05-02 14:43 < Working_Cat> Messedrocker: so we can have FLVs on WP now?
2008-05-02 14:44 < Messedrocker> Working_Cat, i think so!!
2008-05-02 14:44 < Working_Cat> \o/
2008-05-02 14:44 * Working_Cat wants to be the first one to do so. :P
2008-05-02 14:44 < Messedrocker> Zginder, because as encyclopedia articles they belong in the main namespace
2008-05-02 14:44 < Working_Cat> which ofcourse will nto be possible, but anyways
2008-05-02 14:45 < Zginder> That would allow bulk protection or anything else we decide.
2008-05-02 14:45 < Working_Cat> whats BLP
2008-05-02 14:46 < Zginder> WP:BLP
2008-05-02 14:46 < WAvegetarian> biography living person
2008-05-02 14:46 < Working_Cat> Bombs for Liberation of Palestine
2008-05-02 14:46 < Working_Cat> ohhh
2008-05-02 14:46 < Zginder> biographies living person
2008-05-02 14:46 < Zginder> biographies of living persons
2008-05-02 14:46 < WAvegetarian> :P
2008-05-02 14:47 < WAvegetarian> should be people
2008-05-02 14:47 < Working_Cat> Zginder: WP:DICK
2008-05-02 14:47 * ThePolecat is NP: Tom Paxton - Lyndon Johnson Told The Nation
2008-05-02 14:48 < Zginder> people, persons very similar
2008-05-02 14:48 < WAvegetarian> persons more commonly refers to a multitude of bodies
2008-05-02 14:49 < WAvegetarian> as in, on your person
2008-05-02 14:49 < ThePolecat> "persons" is more formal
2008-05-02 14:49 < WAvegetarian> again, :P
2008-05-02 14:52 < Working_Cat> poalkatt
2008-05-02 14:54 < cimon> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080502-dumb-idea-suing-wikipedia-for-calling-you-dumb.html
2008-05-02 14:55 < The359> we can call people dumb?
2008-05-02 14:55 < cimon> What amuses me here most of all, is that she hadn't obviously heard of the Barbara Streisand Effect. and her own name is Barbara.
2008-05-02 14:56 < The359> Barbara Streisand Effect?
2008-05-02 14:56 < cimon> When it can be attributed to expert sources like Theresa Nielsen Hayden, yes.
2008-05-02 14:57 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
2008-05-02 14:58 < Demi> english has a number of terms that are similar but subtly different in ways that are hard to explain
2008-05-02 14:58 < Working_Cat> The new Airbus plane, the A380, is capable of holding 800 passengers. Or, 400 Americans.\
2008-05-02 14:59 < ThePolecat> "Shit." "What?" "Rollers." "No!" "Yea." "Shit!"
2008-05-02 15:00 < ThePolecat> Working_Cat: Or 1200 Thais.
2008-05-02 15:00 < cimon> In any case, we should be protected in the last instance by the fact that truth is an absolute defence in libel.
2008-05-02 15:01 < ThePolecat> there's something like malicious use of truth here
2008-05-02 15:01 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: or 4000 Bombay locals
2008-05-02 15:01 < cimon> really? where?
2008-05-02 15:01 < ThePolecat> here in Germany
2008-05-02 15:01 < ThePolecat> lemme get it
2008-05-02 15:01 < cimon> curious
2008-05-02 15:02 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: like calling a rapist a rapist?
2008-05-02 15:02 < cimon> I suppose if you say somebody is fat, that could be malicious...
2008-05-02 15:02 < ThePolecat> no
2008-05-02 15:02 < ThePolecat> in special cases
2008-05-02 15:02 < cimon> or that somebody is gay
2008-05-02 15:02 < ThePolecat> "fatness" would be considered a judgment, not a fact
2008-05-02 15:02 < The359> Harassing victims?
2008-05-02 15:02 < Demi> cimon - i think that's an interesting case, actually
2008-05-02 15:02 < Demi> is it pejorative to claim someone is gay?
2008-05-02 15:02 < ThePolecat> Well, bringing up things just to make someone look bad because you have a feud running
2008-05-02 15:03 < ThePolecat> things that are 45 years old and happened when the person was 14 or something
2008-05-02 15:03 < cimon> I think in the US it was ruled that caling somebody a communist was pejorative...
2008-05-02 15:03 < The359> "Your son killed a bug!"
2008-05-02 15:03 < The359> "You bastard, you're under arrest!"
2008-05-02 15:04 < The359> I assume someone deleted the Barbara Bauer article?
2008-05-02 15:04 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: or refering to stuff that has no relevance to the discussion at hand
2008-05-02 15:04 < ThePolecat> § 192: Insult in spite of proof of accuracy
2008-05-02 15:04 < Demi> there are ways of using language to skirt around direct accusations
2008-05-02 15:04 < Working_Cat> like Obama's dad being... well, Obama Sr
2008-05-02 15:04 < cimon> The359: for the time being, yes
2008-05-02 15:05 < Working_Cat> it will be created back as soon as the court kicks her ass out i guess
2008-05-02 15:05 < Demi> "X's rhetoric is precisely the sort of mubly-mouthed perversion one would expect from child-molesting amoral murderers everywhere."
2008-05-02 15:05 < ThePolecat> Yea, you can't get away with "Well, I don't wanna say X beats his wife, but..."
2008-05-02 15:05 < ThePolecat> especially not with
2008-05-02 15:05 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-05-02 15:05 < ThePolecat> "Well, I don't want to say X beats his wife every Sunday afternoon in the garden shed, but..."
2008-05-02 15:06 < ThePolecat> the addition of detail is a sign of nolens volens accusation
2008-05-02 15:07 < ThePolecat> "Neither would I go so far as to say that I witnessed him setting his neighbor's cat ablaze..."
2008-05-02 15:09 < ThePolecat> we had a comedian who said things like "People with awful taste would probably make the following joke now (...), but this is a family program, so I won't."
2008-05-02 15:10 * Working_Cat laughed
2008-05-02 15:10 < Working_Cat> hey Mm40
2008-05-02 15:10 * Working_Cat nibbles at kibble
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mm40> Hi Working_Cat
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Oh, that reminds me of Lisa Lampanelli
2008-05-02 15:11 < Demi> "How do you respond to accusationsn of child molestation?"
2008-05-02 15:11 * Dendodge shizzles your nizzle
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mike_H> who told "a clean joke" she learned from her five-year-old nephew
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mike_H> A man gets on an elevator and says to a woman
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mike_H> "Excuse me, miss, can I smell your feet?"
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mike_H> she says "no! of course not!"
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mike_H> and he goes,
2008-05-02 15:11 < Mike_H> "Must be your pussy!"
2008-05-02 15:11 < Kanonkas> :O
2008-05-02 15:12 < Viper550> so database is locked?
2008-05-02 15:12 < Viper550> was anyway
2008-05-02 15:13 < Demi> this hot and sour soup is genuinely spicy
2008-05-02 15:14 * Krimpet just had some clam chowder. :D
2008-05-02 15:14 < Looooooooong_Cat> How does the database gets locked?
2008-05-02 15:14 < Krimpet> this dining hall on campus seems to distinguish "boston" from "new england" clam chowder, I think
2008-05-02 15:14 < Demi> did it have bacon in it?
2008-05-02 15:15 * kibble waves Working_Cat
2008-05-02 15:15 * Looooooooong_Cat had a Quiznos Portobello Mushroom sandwich
2008-05-02 15:16 < Krimpet> no, just clams, potatoes, onions, and those little green thingies
2008-05-02 15:16 * Working_Cat had PapaJohns pizza
2008-05-02 15:16 * Looooooooong_Cat huggles Krimpet
2008-05-02 15:17 < Demi> i dislike bacon in clam chowder very much
2008-05-02 15:17 < Krimpet> I've found the Boston chowder here to be more creamy and soupy. their New England stuff is way more viscous
2008-05-02 15:17 < Demi> besides the fact i don't eat bacon
2008-05-02 15:17 < Messedrocker> bacon is overused
2008-05-02 15:17 < learath> heretic!
2008-05-02 15:17 < Looooooooong_Cat> Krimpet, if you went to Montreal
2008-05-02 15:17 < Looooooooong_Cat> i would take you to La Banquise and have the best damn poutine
2008-05-02 15:18 < Looooooooong_Cat> :D
2008-05-02 15:18 < Demi> it forms little mucilaginous stringy globs, it's not good
2008-05-02 15:18 < ThePolecat> wth is poutine?
2008-05-02 15:18 < Krimpet> Looooooooong_Cat: never had poutine before, what's it like?
2008-05-02 15:18 < ThePolecat> is it the local pronounciation of "putain"?
2008-05-02 15:18 * ThePolecat feels a trout coming on
2008-05-02 15:19 < Looooooooong_Cat> [[Image:OriginalPoutineLaBanquise.jpg]]
2008-05-02 15:19 < Looooooooong_Cat> or [[Poutine]]
2008-05-02 15:19 < ganzwichtig> They have removed my extension of an article with the reason "superfluous" on German wikipedia :'(
2008-05-02 15:19 < Looooooooong_Cat> is a dish consisting of French fries topped with fresh cheese curds, covered with brown BBQ chicken gravy and sometimes other additional ingredients.
2008-05-02 15:19 < ThePolecat> Wow
2008-05-02 15:19 < ThePolecat> that looks literally heart-stopping
2008-05-02 15:19 < ganzwichtig> I only added the translation of the word "Superman"
2008-05-02 15:20 < ThePolecat> ganzwichtig: de.wiki is run by authoritarians, don't take it to heart.
2008-05-02 15:20 < Looooooooong_Cat> ThePolecat, that restaurant add other stuff that makes it a true heart stopping plate
2008-05-02 15:20 < Working_Cat> ganzwichtig: /THATS/ why its superfluous
2008-05-02 15:20 < Mike_H> Looooooooong_Cat: I FUCKING LOVE POUTINE
2008-05-02 15:20 < Looooooooong_Cat> such as bacon
2008-05-02 15:20 < Mike_H> too bad poutine makes me poot-ine too :(
2008-05-02 15:20 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-05-02 15:20 < ThePolecat> o.o
2008-05-02 15:20 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-05-02 15:20 < Mike_H> It's gravy and fat and cheese curds
2008-05-02 15:20 < Mike_H> what do you expect
2008-05-02 15:20 < ganzwichtig> because the german word that corresponds to "superman" is not liked in germany.. and I think that people should know what "superman" actually means.. which is "Übermensch" or "Übermann"..
2008-05-02 15:20 < Looooooooong_Cat> Yeah
2008-05-02 15:20 < Looooooooong_Cat> Mike_H, i don't like mcdonalds poutine
2008-05-02 15:20 < ThePolecat> Brb, I have to stop my heart in other ways.
2008-05-02 15:21 < Looooooooong_Cat> the best kind is with homemade fries
2008-05-02 15:21 < ganzwichtig> like.. the people run around with a "superman"-tshirt and dont know that they call themselves "übermensch" with this
2008-05-02 15:21 < Mike_H> McDonalds makes poutine?
2008-05-02 15:21 < Looooooooong_Cat> yup
2008-05-02 15:21 < ganzwichtig> what is the german wikipedia channel? .de didnt work
2008-05-02 15:21 < Demi> red robin sells a hamburger which has fried onions rings and bacon on it as well as the normal cheese, and of course, the burger. to top it off, in case you aren't actually dead by the end... a fried egg.
2008-05-02 15:21 < Mike_H> I'm from the South, we don't have that here
2008-05-02 15:21 < The359> #wikipedia-de
2008-05-02 15:21 < ganzwichtig> oh
2008-05-02 15:21 < Demi> ganzwichtig - #wikipedia-de i believe
2008-05-02 15:21 < ThePolecat> Yea, that
2008-05-02 15:21 < Mike_H> Demi: Oh, I love the Triple Whopper from Burger King
2008-05-02 15:21 < Mike_H> with cheese
2008-05-02 15:21 * ThePolecat is slow
2008-05-02 15:21 < Mike_H> I can't even eat it all in one go
2008-05-02 15:21 < ThePolecat> but it's not a herzlich channel
2008-05-02 15:22 < Mike_H> I have to like, take one of the buns and one of the meats
2008-05-02 15:22 < Mike_H> eat that
2008-05-02 15:22 < Mike_H> and then one of the meats alone
2008-05-02 15:22 < Mike_H> and then the other meat and other bun.
2008-05-02 15:22 < ThePolecat> Sounds like an orgy.
2008-05-02 15:22 < ThePolecat> Brb.
2008-05-02 15:22 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: why? cant open up wide enough
2008-05-02 15:22 < ThePolecat> o.o wrong images
2008-05-02 15:22 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-05-02 15:22 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: it's too big
2008-05-02 15:22 < Mike_H> for my tiny hole
2008-05-02 15:23 < ThePolecat> STOP
2008-05-02 15:23 < ThePolecat> >.<
2008-05-02 15:23 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: then you must suck at being gay
2008-05-02 15:23 < Looooooooong_Cat> Mike_H, we have plenty of heart stopping plates here
2008-05-02 15:23 < Looooooooong_Cat> :D
2008-05-02 15:23 < ThePolecat> okay, brb
2008-05-02 15:23 < Working_Cat> erm.. i mean the other kind of suck :P
2008-05-02 15:23 < Working_Cat> that inintended pun was rather gay
2008-05-02 15:23 < Looooooooong_Cat> try some montreal stlye bagels from Fairmount Bagels and smoked meat from Schwartz's
2008-05-02 15:23 < Looooooooong_Cat> you'll be in pure tastebud heaven
2008-05-02 15:23 < Mike_H> Do we even have any Canadian places here?
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> dunno
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> lol
2008-05-02 15:24 < Demi> except for the near the border? i wonder
2008-05-02 15:24 < Demi> in border states they have some tim hortons i think
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> Demi, where do u live?
2008-05-02 15:24 < Mike_H> Demi: There's one family restaurant
2008-05-02 15:24 < Mike_H> that's in Canada and the US
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> Denny's?
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> that's the only family restaurant i can think of
2008-05-02 15:24 < Demi> Looooooooong_Cat - oregon
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> lol
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> ah ok
2008-05-02 15:24 < Looooooooong_Cat> :)
2008-05-02 15:25 < Looooooooong_Cat> hey compwhizii
2008-05-02 15:25 < Looooooooong_Cat> welcome to the food discussion
2008-05-02 15:25 < compwhizii> hello Looooooooong_Cat
2008-05-02 15:25 < Looooooooong_Cat> you know
2008-05-02 15:26 < Looooooooong_Cat> there's a difference in restaurants in Canada and USA at breakfeast time
2008-05-02 15:26 < Mm40> wat is ur wikipedia Loooooooooong_Cat
2008-05-02 15:26 < Mm40> ?
2008-05-02 15:26 < Mike_H> Swiss Chalet is a chain of Canadian family restaurants originally founded in 1954 in Toronto, Ontario. There are presently over 200 restaurants in Canada and the United States, as of 2008.
2008-05-02 15:26 < Mike_H> That was it!
2008-05-02 15:26 < Looooooooong_Cat> en.wiki
2008-05-02 15:26 < Demi> let me guess, in canada they don't call it canadian bacon?
2008-05-02 15:27 < lucasbfr> Mike_H: Swiss Chalet <3
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> Mm40, i'm [[User:Cream]]
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> yes
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> swiss chalet FTW!
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> <3
2008-05-02 15:27 < Mike_H> lucasbfr: lucasbfr <3
2008-05-02 15:27 < lucasbfr> :D
2008-05-02 15:27 < Demi> i don't think i've ever seen one
2008-05-02 15:27 < Mike_H> Demi: They were in Florida
2008-05-02 15:27 < Mike_H> apparently they've closed
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> hey salut lucasbfr :)
2008-05-02 15:27 < lucasbfr> salut :)
2008-05-02 15:27 < Viper550> I'm trying to make new graphics for the Current Event boxes on EN
2008-05-02 15:27 < Mike_H> lucasbfr: come to Florida
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> no
2008-05-02 15:27 < Mike_H> you need some vacances
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> come to Montréal
2008-05-02 15:27 < Looooooooong_Cat> :)
2008-05-02 15:27 < Mike_H> Looooooooong_Cat: too late
2008-05-02 15:28 < Demi> "Swiss food" doesn't exactly have cachet in the u.s.
2008-05-02 15:28 < Mike_H> he was already in Canada
2008-05-02 15:28 < lucasbfr> Mike_H: I definitely do
2008-05-02 15:28 < Looooooooong_Cat> and then we'll go to Québec City and partake in the celebrations
2008-05-02 15:28 < lucasbfr> but I still wonder why "swiss"
2008-05-02 15:28 < Mike_H> lucasbfr: Because French Chalet was too easy?
2008-05-02 15:28 < Looooooooong_Cat> um
2008-05-02 15:28 < Looooooooong_Cat> in Quebec, they have to comply to rules
2008-05-02 15:28 < Looooooooong_Cat> not rules, but law
2008-05-02 15:28 < Looooooooong_Cat> so it's Chalet Suisse
2008-05-02 15:29 < Mike_H> French Canadians are weird
2008-05-02 15:29 < Mike_H> I've known not one, not two, but three men named "Ghislain"
2008-05-02 15:29 < Looooooooong_Cat> thank you <3
2008-05-02 15:29 < Mike_H> I didn't even think that was a common name
2008-05-02 15:29 < Looooooooong_Cat> it is here in Quebec
2008-05-02 15:31 < Demi> here's a design tip for APIs: 16 positional arguments is too many
2008-05-02 15:31 < Working_Cat> Demi: dealing with an API from hell?
2008-05-02 15:31 < Demi> "dealing" = "we wrote this!"
2008-05-02 15:32 < Looooooooong_Cat> Mike_H, another unique restaurant in Montreal
2008-05-02 15:32 < Looooooooong_Cat> Dic Ann's Hamburgers
2008-05-02 15:32 < Demi> what's nice is that in the WSDL or whatever they're identified as "arg0, arg1, arg2, ..." etc., all strings
2008-05-02 15:32 < Demi> so who knows what you're supposed to pass?
2008-05-02 15:32 < Demi> Burgerville, in the Portland, OR area is a great regional chain
2008-05-02 15:32 < Looooooooong_Cat> they make thin hamburgers
2008-05-02 15:33 < Messedrocker> ah, like White Castle
2008-05-02 15:33 < Looooooooong_Cat> and they put a sauce in it
2008-05-02 15:33 < Looooooooong_Cat> http://www.flickr.com/photos/comeoffit/910549809/sizes/l/
2008-05-02 15:34 < Working_Cat> Demi: awesome. i'd really fine those designers/programmers a % of their salary for doing that.
2008-05-02 15:34 < Demi> the originators are all gone, of course
2008-05-02 15:34 < Working_Cat> Demi: then i'd go after them
2008-05-02 15:34 < Demi> hehe
2008-05-02 15:35 < Mike_H> Looooooooong_Cat: Florida's better than Canada for vacances
2008-05-02 15:35 < AwesomeGuy> if I went to egypt, would I be allowed inside the pyramids?
2008-05-02 15:35 < Mike_H> Canada isn't exactly glamorous
2008-05-02 15:35 < ganzwichtig> they have banned me from german wikipedia channel!
2008-05-02 15:36 < Lycurgus> AwesomeGuy: yes
2008-05-02 15:36 < AwesomeGuy> cool
2008-05-02 15:36 < Lycurgus> unless they were closed for some reason
2008-05-02 15:36 < Demi> oh, one of these guys is a friend of mine, actually. i don't think he's responsible for this thing, but he did this other thing which bugs the crap out of me... it's a command-line script that just makes text output. usually it's called in a new xterm by an X application... so it's hard-coded in the script that if its parent process isn't an xterm it opens a new one. ugh, real convenient for debugging.
2008-05-02 15:36 < AwesomeGuy> do oyu have to go on a tour or can you just look around yourself
2008-05-02 15:36 < sektor> so i have enwiki-20080312-pages-articles.xml but how can i import it into my media wiki ?
2008-05-02 15:36 < Lycurgus> the burial chamber in the great pyramid would be a good climb though
2008-05-02 15:37 < Looooooooong_Cat> I agree
2008-05-02 15:37 < cimon> AwesomeGuy: I would bet it depends on the pyramid.
2008-05-02 15:37 < Looooooooong_Cat> Mike_H, where are you in FL?
2008-05-02 15:37 < Looooooooong_Cat> maybe i can get there for cheap
2008-05-02 15:37 < cimon> AwesomeGuy: you know there are more than three pyramids in egypt, right
2008-05-02 15:37 < AwesomeGuy> ya
2008-05-02 15:37 < AwesomeGuy> there's a bunch of smaller ones
2008-05-02 15:38 < AwesomeGuy> there's no earthquakes over there because it's all sand
2008-05-02 15:38 < Working_Cat> The George W. Bush era begins. Ralph Nader says, "Stop looking at me like that."
2008-05-02 15:38 < Lycurgus> there definitely are earthquakes
2008-05-02 15:38 < AwesomeGuy> oh
2008-05-02 15:38 < AwesomeGuy> but the pyramids stay because they were made good, right
2008-05-02 15:38 < Demi> there was some huge earthquake a certain kind of historian thinks may have prompted the red sea myth
2008-05-02 15:38 < cimon> AwesomeGuy: also some of the pyramids are sinking...
2008-05-02 15:38 < ThePolecat> *Beatles - Like Dreamers Do
2008-05-02 15:39 < Lycurgus> all over the eastern mediterranean as a matter of fact
2008-05-02 15:39 < ganzwichtig> Someone kicked me from the German wikipdia channel and I asked him to tell me why he banned me and then he kicked and banned me with the reason "I do not have to give reasons. I can do what I want."
2008-05-02 15:39 < cimon> Awesomeguy, some of the pyramids are in serious danger of collapse, because sewage is eating into the ground under them...
2008-05-02 15:39 < Demi> i'm not quite old enough to remember the earthquake that damaged minoan civilization on crete in 1800 BC.
2008-05-02 15:40 < ThePolecat> ganzwichtig: You just summed up in a nutshell how de.wiki is run.
2008-05-02 15:40 < ganzwichtig> Where is the Wikipedia leadership?
2008-05-02 15:40 < AwesomeGuy> how were they keeping the year/day back then?
2008-05-02 15:40 < Lycurgus> ganzwichtig: maybe your nick ticked
2008-05-02 15:40 < ganzwichtig> or are they all the same?
2008-05-02 15:40 < AwesomeGuy> did they know it was BC?
2008-05-02 15:40 < Lycurgus> em off
2008-05-02 15:40 < ThePolecat> ganzwichtig: Avoid being Michael Kohlhaas.
2008-05-02 15:40 < AwesomeGuy> or something
2008-05-02 15:40 < Demi> i'm not sure there is such a thing
2008-05-02 15:40 < ganzwichtig> It's injustice..
2008-05-02 15:40 < ThePolecat> ganzwichtig: Get used to it, we all did.
2008-05-02 15:40 < ganzwichtig> NO
2008-05-02 15:40 < ThePolecat> it happens in such projects.
2008-05-02 15:40 < ThePolecat> Please.
2008-05-02 15:40 < ganzwichtig> dont be a slave
2008-05-02 15:41 < Shiroi_Neko> love slaves!
2008-05-02 15:41 < ganzwichtig> destroy what wants to destroy you
2008-05-02 15:41 < ThePolecat> That is the wrong attitude.
2008-05-02 15:41 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-05-02 15:41 < ganzwichtig> and I want the truth to be spread
2008-05-02 15:41 * Shiroi_Neko c4s ganzwichtig
2008-05-02 15:41 < Demi> well, if someone kickbans you and doesn't give you a reason, that's bad form for a chanop. you could complain, if you want, to... sean whitton, i guess. ops on freenode really shouldn't do that.
2008-05-02 15:41 * ThePolecat should really listen to Ton Steine Scherben
2008-05-02 15:41 < ganzwichtig> and when they forbid me to spread the truthm, they attack me.. so I have the right to attack them
2008-05-02 15:41 < Shiroi_Neko> ganzwichtig you have the right to remain slient too
2008-05-02 15:41 < ThePolecat> ganzwichtig: Okay, now you're just trolling.
2008-05-02 15:41 < Lycurgus> you must have done something. Were you using English?
2008-05-02 15:41 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: I just heard they're offering Natascha Kampusch a talk show
2008-05-02 15:41 < AwesomeGuy> is it dark inside the pyramids or did they put in lighting
2008-05-02 15:41 * Krimpet kickbans Demi for subordination
2008-05-02 15:41 < Shiroi_Neko> but it isnt ike you will remain slient
2008-05-02 15:41 < Mike_H> like an Oprah kind of uplifting show
2008-05-02 15:41 < ganzwichtig> where is the leadership of wikipedia
2008-05-02 15:42 < ThePolecat> Mike_H: I don't doubt it for a moment
2008-05-02 15:42 < Shiroi_Neko> ganzwichtig that woud be me
2008-05-02 15:42 * Demi is appropriately deferential to Krimpet
2008-05-02 15:42 < ganzwichtig> is wikipedia-de an official channel?
2008-05-02 15:42 < Lycurgus> absolutely
2008-05-02 15:42 < Demi> ganzwichtig - like i said, i'm not sure there is such a thing, really
2008-05-02 15:42 < Krimpet> none of them are "official" so to speak - they're really just run by James F. and seanw.
2008-05-02 15:42 < ThePolecat> ganzwichtig: You need to understand that additions of that sort don't warrant a Kohlhaas-like insurgency.
2008-05-02 15:42 < Demi> ganzwichtig - there are none more official
2008-05-02 15:43 < Lycurgus> i saw a troll name of "Schleppnagel" come in there a couple of days ago and he went on for nearly an hour before they kicked him
2008-05-02 15:43 < Krimpet> the WMF itself and its projects have no de jure control over IRC
2008-05-02 15:43 < Lycurgus> all in English
2008-05-02 15:43 < Demi> Krimpet - right, and neither the other way around, either
2008-05-02 15:43 < Mike_H> Lycurgus: He got banned in here pretty quickly
2008-05-02 15:43 < Lycurgus> sorry it was "Schleppangel"
2008-05-02 15:43 < ThePolecat> hah
2008-05-02 15:43 * ThePolecat once went Schleppangeln
2008-05-02 15:43 < Lycurgus> i read it as "schleppnagel"
2008-05-02 15:44 < Krimpet> yeah, the only official WMF IRC channels are the read-only irc.wikimedia.org ones. :)
2008-05-02 15:44 < Demi> nothing says the 80s like a Nagel print
2008-05-02 15:44 < ThePolecat> Haulnail?
2008-05-02 15:44 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-05-02 15:44 < Mike_H> Demi: rofl, the Supercuts at my house still has a Nagel print
2008-05-02 15:44 < Mike_H> *near my house
2008-05-02 15:44 < Working_Cat> whats Schleppangel
2008-05-02 15:44 < ganzwichtig> ThePolecat: Why is there no wikipedia law that enforces justice? I added a translation to an article because the word isnt a German word. They say it is "superfluous". Then I told them that there een is a translation for the word "apple" and everyone knows what "apple" means. So it would just be justice to add my translation also. If not, then they must remove the translation at "apple"-page.
2008-05-02 15:44 < Lycurgus> no the freenode channels are the authoritative ones i believe
2008-05-02 15:44 < ThePolecat> ganzwichtig: I would say that they have a point.
2008-05-02 15:44 < ganzwichtig> they dont want to do either
2008-05-02 15:44 < Krimpet> I meant "official" de jure - de facto, yep.
2008-05-02 15:45 < ganzwichtig> so they are not coherent
2008-05-02 15:45 < ganzwichtig> and being not coherent is injustice
2008-05-02 15:45 < ThePolecat> heh, transparency
2008-05-02 15:45 < Lycurgus> in fact, i don't believe there are irc servers in wmf domains that I know of
2008-05-02 15:45 < Mike_H> <ganzwichtig> and being not coherent is injustice
2008-05-02 15:45 < ThePolecat> WP:NOT democratic government.
2008-05-02 15:45 < Working_Cat> not shutting up is injustice on others too...
2008-05-02 15:45 < Mike_H> and that's where we jump into crazy
2008-05-02 15:45 < Demi> when i was reading german magazines years ago, "super" at least was really common, as an uneducated observer it seemed common enough to be an english borrow word in german rather than a foreign word.
2008-05-02 15:45 < Mike_H> Demi: "super" was also common at that time in French.
2008-05-02 15:45 < ThePolecat> Absolutely.
2008-05-02 15:45 < Lycurgus> most centers consider them a security threat
2008-05-02 15:46 < ThePolecat> there is no way anyone could misunderstand.
2008-05-02 15:46 < ThePolecat> the English word "man" is very close to the German equivalent too.
2008-05-02 15:46 < Working_Cat> what are we talking about?
2008-05-02 15:46 < Messedrocker> Lycurgus, irc.wikimedia.org
2008-05-02 15:46 < Messedrocker> it's for recent changes streams
2008-05-02 15:46 < Demi> Ubermenschen, Working_Cat
2008-05-02 15:46 * Demi throws some umlaut on that
2008-05-02 15:46 < Working_Cat> ok so whats the controversy?
2008-05-02 15:46 < Working_Cat> if any
2008-05-02 15:46 < ThePolecat> Romans, countrymen, lend me your Ãœs
2008-05-02 15:46 < ThePolecat> Working_Cat: There is none.
2008-05-02 15:47 < Lycurgus> ok, but that's not the same as "regular" irc
2008-05-02 15:47 < Working_Cat> good
2008-05-02 15:47 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: whats the other german going on about?
2008-05-02 15:47 < Working_Cat> and whats Schleppangel
2008-05-02 15:47 < Mike_H> "Nanny Fine, you can't just GO. It's not like Supercuts!"
2008-05-02 15:47 < ThePolecat> He got reverted rudely with some minor edit
2008-05-02 15:47 < Lycurgus> like efnet, otfc, freednode, irc.slasdot.X, etc.
2008-05-02 15:47 < ThePolecat> Schleppangel = trawling fishing rod
2008-05-02 15:47 < Mike_H> Demi: My favorite mistranslation is where Americans are all
2008-05-02 15:47 < Working_Cat> whats so offensive about it
2008-05-02 15:47 < Mike_H> "It's mano y mano, man to man!"
2008-05-02 15:48 < Mike_H> That actually means "hand and hand"
2008-05-02 15:48 < ThePolecat> Working_Cat: it was "we don't need that shit here" or something
2008-05-02 15:48 < ganzwichtig> ThePolecat: Why do they have a point?
2008-05-02 15:48 < ThePolecat> as a revert summary
2008-05-02 15:48 < gwern> what if you go man to man, mano y mano?
2008-05-02 15:48 < ThePolecat> because it *is* unnecessary.
2008-05-02 15:48 < Demi> Mike_H - right
2008-05-02 15:48 < ganzwichtig> Either they must remove it from apple also or add it to superman also.
2008-05-02 15:48 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: no i meant "Schleppangel"
2008-05-02 15:48 < ganzwichtig> but at apple it is unneccessary too