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2008-05-02 04:52 < bumm13> I guess Norman Schwarzkopf is fluent in Arabic
2008-05-02 04:53 < AdamBishop> the dual, the genitive construction, the morphology of words with vowels as one of the roots
2008-05-02 04:53 < Lycurgus> I doubt it, but let's find out ...
2008-05-02 04:53 < Rinn> I'm Rinn.
2008-05-02 04:53 < bumm13> hi
2008-05-02 04:53 < Rinn> Hi!
2008-05-02 04:53 < privatemusings> hello rinn
2008-05-02 04:53 < AdamBishop> they also seem to have a vast number of synonyms
2008-05-02 04:53 < bumm13> that's always fun
2008-05-02 04:54 < bumm13> at least it isn't a tonal language
2008-05-02 04:54 < Lycurgus> hmm, mensan ...
2008-05-02 04:54 < AdamBishop> yeah that's true. Today I was thinking that if I really wanted to learn something difficult, it would have to be something Chinese-related, or a Native American language
2008-05-02 04:54 < AdamBishop> everything else I know is easy in comparison
2008-05-02 04:55 < bumm13> yeah, some of those Native languages are insane
2008-05-02 04:55 < bumm13> just some of the sounds are really weird
2008-05-02 04:55 < AdamBishop> yeah I was reading about Siouan languages earlier
2008-05-02 04:56 < bumm13> it's hard to even study many of them due to extinction or near-extinction
2008-05-02 04:56 < Lycurgus> nein, Ich zweifel es, aber er ist eine Kredite deutsche abstammung.
2008-05-02 04:57 < Lycurgus> (General Schwartzkopf)
2008-05-02 04:58 < AdamBishop> Lycurgus, ist dein Geschwindigkeitbegrenzungfabrik den Fluss entlang?
2008-05-02 04:58 < Lycurgus> was fur ein geraet ware dass, einer Geschwindigkeitbegrenzungmaschine?
2008-05-02 04:59 < privatemusings> no admins here by any chance?
2008-05-02 04:59 < Lycurgus> it's 5AM in the 1st us time zone
2008-05-02 05:00 < AdamBishop> ich weiss nicht, wass das meint.
2008-05-02 05:00 < privatemusings> ah but it's 10am in england.....
2008-05-02 05:00 < bumm13> hmm, British Columbia has/had about 36 First Nations languages
2008-05-02 05:01 < Lycurgus> *eine
2008-05-02 05:01 * AdamBishop hat Zeit für dich, also er singt ein Lied für dich
2008-05-02 05:02 < AdamBishop> I wish I remembered more German. It's been a long time
2008-05-02 05:23 < zocky> ok, it's time for extreme measures
2008-05-02 05:23 * zocky plays Atomic Kitten: Whole Again, to get rid of another even catchier and more annoying song in his head
2008-05-02 05:25 < AdamBishop> what song?
2008-05-02 05:25 < zocky> a slovenian crap commercial song
2008-05-02 05:25 < zocky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtNHBwAdfuo
2008-05-02 05:39 < bumm13> hiya zocky
2008-05-02 05:40 < zocky> hi bumm
2008-05-02 05:59 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-05-02 06:03 * Lady_Aleena shadows bumm13.
2008-05-02 06:04 * denelson83 shadows Lady_Aleena
2008-05-02 06:04 * denelson83 is listening to "The Killers - Shadowplay" (4:09 - 160kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-02 06:15 * cimon aims bumm13
2008-05-02 06:19 < pi_> hi
2008-05-02 06:19 < pi_> my wikipedia
2008-05-02 06:19 < pi_> what's going on?
2008-05-02 06:49 < ClaireQuilty> Which fictional creature makes you live forever if it bites you in the neck?
2008-05-02 06:51 < bumm13> no idea
2008-05-02 06:51 < rainman-sr> it's not fictional
2008-05-02 06:51 < bumm13> have you tried Google
2008-05-02 06:51 * rainman-sr looks left to transilvania
2008-05-02 06:52 < ClaireQuilty> Eh...
2008-05-02 06:53 < ClaireQuilty> What alternate dimension is this where Google can read your midn?
2008-05-02 06:53 < bumm13> :p
2008-05-02 06:55 < denelson83> ?
2008-05-02 06:55 * denelson83 scratches his head
2008-05-02 07:00 < bumm13> yeah, same here
2008-05-02 07:00 < bumm13> hiya denelson83
2008-05-02 07:39 < Moro55> hi bumm13
2008-05-02 07:39 < Moro55> I'll be back
2008-05-02 07:48 < nsh> In 2008, War was begining (again)
2008-05-02 08:05 < JessicaTaylor> Hi everyone
2008-05-02 08:05 < JessicaTaylor> nsh: EEP SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB
2008-05-02 08:05 < Werdna> hai JessicaTaylor
2008-05-02 08:06 < JessicaTaylor> Anybody need this sign, Benny Lava?
2008-05-02 08:06 < Gambit> what will happen next week.. StayTuned :p
2008-05-02 08:06 < Werdna> 11:47 -!- ircname : Jessica Elizabeth Taylor
2008-05-02 08:06 < Werdna> whoa
2008-05-02 08:06 < Werdna> lots of detailz
2008-05-02 08:09 < StayTuned> :)
2008-05-02 08:11 < Werdna> StayTuned: that was slightly creepy
2008-05-02 08:11 < Werdna> it's like ":) I know, helps me with my stalking"
2008-05-02 08:12 < bumm13> hiya Werdna
2008-05-02 08:13 < StayTuned> well I was wondering mainly why I was addressed....maybe its because I was here 3 hours ago?
2008-05-02 08:14 < StayTuned> I had to cut the power to my router to plug in a laptop
2008-05-02 08:14 < StayTuned> to print something out
2008-05-02 08:14 < StayTuned> stoopid Word
2008-05-02 08:15 < StayTuned> Microsoft ought to standardize .doc
2008-05-02 08:17 * nsh smiles
2008-05-02 08:17 < Werdna> dodo, dodo
2008-05-02 08:17 < Werdna> the internet that flies
2008-05-02 08:18 < JessicaTaylor_> dies*
2008-05-02 08:19 * StayTuned goes back to studying php
2008-05-02 08:19 < JessicaTaylor_> they spent all their money on hiring people for their ads....
2008-05-02 08:36 < Sfan00> Hello
2008-05-02 08:47 * ThePolecat is back from watching sublime snooker
2008-05-02 08:48 < bumm13> hiya ThePolecat
2008-05-02 08:48 < ThePolecat> gday.
2008-05-02 08:48 < bumm13> snooker is foreign to us Americans
2008-05-02 08:48 < ThePolecat> it's foreign to everyone that isn't Commonwealthy.
2008-05-02 08:48 < ThePolecat> (or Irish)
2008-05-02 08:49 < bumm13> right
2008-05-02 08:49 < ThePolecat> even the attire of those blokes is very strange indeed for someone with a non-British upbringing
2008-05-02 08:49 < cimon> ThePolecat: the games in China?
2008-05-02 08:49 < ThePolecat> Crucible in this case.
2008-05-02 08:49 < cimon> ahhah
2008-05-02 08:50 < cimon> they are doing the semifinals in China.
2008-05-02 08:50 < cimon> Hendry vs. Sullivan in best of 33
2008-05-02 08:50 < bumm13> ah, they don't use a numbered 8-ball style ball set in snooker
2008-05-02 08:50 < ThePolecat> eh, no
2008-05-02 08:51 < ThePolecat> the snooker set is definitely peculiar
2008-05-02 08:51 < cimon> no, 15 red balls, and 6 colours
2008-05-02 08:51 < cimon> plus the cueball of course
2008-05-02 08:51 < bumm13> yeah, 15 red-orange balls
2008-05-02 08:52 < ThePolecat> Ol' Ronnie doesn't walk out to have a joint or two any more during breaks
2008-05-02 08:52 < ThePolecat> there were times when people consumed liquor between frames.
2008-05-02 08:52 < cimon> I also didn't see him doing lefthanded cuing.
2008-05-02 08:52 < cimon> *cueing
2008-05-02 08:52 < ThePolecat> heh yea, he's lost his mojo
2008-05-02 08:53 < ThePolecat> but boy does he play good snooker.
2008-05-02 08:53 < cimon> well, O'Sullivan was leading Hendry 7 to 4 when I left the bar.
2008-05-02 08:54 < ThePolecat> he lead 12-4 at the end of the session
2008-05-02 08:54 < ThePolecat> (!)
2008-05-02 08:54 < ThePolecat> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/snooker/7378321.stm
2008-05-02 08:54 < cimon> Though personally I think that was more due to Hendry trying far too speculative attacking shots and basically handing the games over to sullivan in many crucial balls.
2008-05-02 08:54 < ThePolecat> yea, unforced errors.
2008-05-02 08:55 * ThePolecat is a Matthew Stevens fan, personally.
2008-05-02 08:56 < bumm13> someone was talking about snooker in here the other day with me
2008-05-02 08:56 < ThePolecat> but Ronnie is a marvel to behold
2008-05-02 08:56 < ThePolecat> Twasn't me!
2008-05-02 08:56 < bumm13> nope
2008-05-02 08:58 * ThePolecat considers the shower as a possible course of action
2008-05-02 08:58 < cimon> ThePolecat: so was the officiating umpire or whatever you call the person who is the only one allowed to handle the balls. She was a real beauty...
2008-05-02 08:58 < ThePolecat> heh yea
2008-05-02 08:59 < ThePolecat> Is it the girl who was pregnant and then came back?
2008-05-02 08:59 < ThePolecat> She's cute
2008-05-02 08:59 < cimon> A brunette.
2008-05-02 08:59 * ThePolecat is off to play Age of Umpires
2008-05-02 08:59 < cimon> Not the one that is famous for her own game, though.
2008-05-02 08:59 < ThePolecat> (still one of my favorite Uncyc articles, if only for the illustrations)
2008-05-02 09:00 < ThePolecat> yep
2008-05-02 09:01 < cimon> ThePolecat: I kindof like James White.
2008-05-02 09:01 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-05-02 09:01 * Lucifer_Cat huggles ThePolecat
2008-05-02 09:01 < ThePolecat> Before my time.
2008-05-02 09:01 < Lucifer_Cat> which article? and which girl? link link
2008-05-02 09:02 < cimon> I was fortunate enough to see the famous Crucible 147 final frame to clinch Whites first championship there at long last.
2008-05-02 09:02 < cimon> I mean see it live.
2008-05-02 09:02 < cimon> though on television, of course.
2008-05-02 09:03 < ThePolecat> heh, one of those magic moments in sports I spose.
2008-05-02 09:03 < ThePolecat> let's see what great moments I witnessed live
2008-05-02 09:03 < ThePolecat> Johnson's WR over the 200 m in Atlanta
2008-05-02 09:04 < ThePolecat> (TV)
2008-05-02 09:04 < ThePolecat> Liverpool's win over AC Milan in the 2005 (I think) final
2008-05-02 09:04 < cimon> ThePolecat: there is an amusing fact to do with wikipedia and James White. That article was nominated for deletion by RickK, and he got really soundly spanked for it.
2008-05-02 09:05 < ThePolecat> damn rightfully so.
2008-05-02 09:05 < ThePolecat> that musta been a while back
2008-05-02 09:06 < ThePolecat> oh, Schumacher hitting Villeneuve deliberately in Jerez 1997, I saw that too.
2008-05-02 09:06 < ThePolecat> and Eric Moussambani nearly drowning in Sydney
2008-05-02 09:07 * Gambit looks for ceiling cat O_O
2008-05-02 09:09 * nsh wonders
2008-05-02 09:09 * ThePolecat sees a National Health Eyeball
2008-05-02 09:09 < ThePolecat> THE WORLD WONDERS
2008-05-02 09:10 < nsh> someone should set up a website offering a bounty for the citizen's arrest of the letter dubya
2008-05-02 09:10 < nsh> i bet they could raise enough to make those nutcases who subscribe to 'soldier of fortune' interested
2008-05-02 09:10 < nsh> that would make for moar fun news
2008-05-02 09:11 < ThePolecat> Look, a flag is hanging the wrong way up, that means I get my tax money back!
2008-05-02 09:13 * ThePolecat plays Haydn's Surprise Symphony on guitar
2008-05-02 09:13 < nsh> man, i'm going to pitch "Patriot bounty hunter" to the broadcasting groups as this year's ultimate reality show
2008-05-02 09:13 < nsh> that would be immeasurably immense
2008-05-02 09:14 * ThePolecat wonders how to play the fortissimo timpani on guitar
2008-05-02 09:14 < ThePolecat> delayed surprise there
2008-05-02 09:14 < ThePolecat> VOOM!
2008-05-02 09:14 < nsh> very loudly and with a drum?
2008-05-02 09:14 < cimon> ThePolecat: I saw schumachers ramming too. I also saw The Hand of God.
2008-05-02 09:15 < ThePolecat> oh, I'm not old enough for that though I'm sure I saw Rijkaard spitting on Rudi Voeller
2008-05-02 09:17 < cimon> ThePolecat: the funny thing about those games where Maradona punched it in, is that the greatest goal of those games was actually some guy from the Iraqi or was it Iranian team, who dribbled the ball from his own goal all thourhg the field, passing defenders left and right, and then shot it himself right into the net.
2008-05-02 09:17 < ThePolecat> Those games are never shown in those summary thingies, must have been Iraq though
2008-05-02 09:18 < ThePolecat> But Iraq didn't score any goals
2008-05-02 09:18 < ThePolecat> so maybe it was Algeria
2008-05-02 09:21 < ThePolecat> Oh, I saw Gazza score against Scotland in '96
2008-05-02 09:21 < ThePolecat> possibly the greatest goal I've ever seen
2008-05-02 09:22 < ThePolecat> I came back ill from a class trip and only saw five minutes at a time, but it was memorable
2008-05-02 09:23 < Alkivar> http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200805/css_homer_animated.html
2008-05-02 09:23 < Alkivar> thats pretty nifty right there
2008-05-02 09:23 < Alkivar> this dude drew homer simpson using only ascii and css
2008-05-02 09:25 < cimon> ThePolecat: might have been this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Radhi
2008-05-02 09:25 < ThePolecat> oh, so maybe I was looking at the points
2008-05-02 09:26 < ThePolecat> it said 0-6 and with my three-points-rule muleheadedness I thought it was the score summary
2008-05-02 09:26 < cimon> lol @ "In October 2007 he was nominated by the opposition Sunni Arab-led Iraqi Accord Front to the Council of Representatives of Iraq, replacing Abd al-Nasir al-Janabi, who had resigned to join the insurgency"
2008-05-02 09:27 < ThePolecat> Soccer players as role models...
2008-05-02 09:27 < cimon> Nice country, where you can always switch to guns, if you don't feel you are cut out for politics.
2008-05-02 09:28 < StayTuned> new idea.
2008-05-02 09:28 < StayTuned> Phoning back collections agencies and screaming at them as part of my business day.
2008-05-02 09:29 < StayTuned> by the time everyone is home from work.
2008-05-02 09:29 < zocky> bah, youtube doesn't have that the iraq-belgium goal from1986
2008-05-02 09:29 < cimon> well, if people would limit themselves to expressing their nationalistic tendencies only through sport, the world would be a much better place.
2008-05-02 09:29 < StayTuned> I will feel grand.
2008-05-02 09:29 < bumm13> cimon: ain't that the truth
2008-05-02 09:30 < cimon> it is, which is why I said it. ;)
2008-05-02 09:30 < StayTuned> In fact, I think I've got a box worth of them to lay into.
2008-05-02 09:30 < StayTuned> May as well get started.
2008-05-02 09:31 < StayTuned> On today's agenda.
2008-05-02 09:31 < StayTuned> Student Loans
2008-05-02 09:31 < zocky> ah, no two-day workers' day holidays for you capitalist lot?
2008-05-02 09:32 < ThePolecat> America has it a bit later
2008-05-02 09:32 < ThePolecat> In Germany, Adolf introduced May 1 as a day off.
2008-05-02 09:32 < ThePolecat> so I dunno
2008-05-02 09:34 < ThePolecat> note: I'm not saying "if you take May 1 off, you do Adolf's bidding"
2008-05-02 09:35 < zocky> ThePolecat, I doubt he did it out of solidarity with the global labour movement
2008-05-02 09:36 < ThePolecat> Right.
2008-05-02 09:36 < ThePolecat> he did it to convert social democrats.
2008-05-02 09:37 < cimon> zocky: this page might have it. I can't see it though, I seem to be missing the right plugin... http://www.freewebs.com/6oooba/iraqisoccercoolinfo.htm
2008-05-02 09:39 < zocky> cimon, it's either very slow, or it won't work on my computer either
2008-05-02 09:40 < zocky> yay, iraq is now ahead of slovenia in fifa rankings
2008-05-02 09:40 < zocky> both have gone down ~30 places since that page was last updated
2008-05-02 09:40 < cimon> I sense a slight sarcastic undetone there :D
2008-05-02 09:42 < zocky> greece is #8
2008-05-02 09:43 < zocky> which proves that those rankings suck :)
2008-05-02 09:46 < cimon> zocky: what is finlands rank btw?
2008-05-02 09:46 < cimon> iam guessing in the 30ies
2008-05-02 09:47 < Gambit> whose #1?
2008-05-02 09:47 < Gambit> brazil again
2008-05-02 09:48 < ThePolecat> Austria still on a three-digit-place?
2008-05-02 09:48 < ThePolecat> as a group head
2008-05-02 09:49 < zocky> cimon, 35, argentina is #1
2008-05-02 09:49 < cimon> "s a player, Basil took the national team to unchartered lands, where he was part of the Iraqi "golden team" of the 1980s that included Hussein Saeed and Ahmad Radhi." - grammar question, would I be right that that should be "uncharted territory" or something like that?
2008-05-02 09:49 < ThePolecat> yep.
2008-05-02 09:49 < ThePolecat> "chartered" means "registered"
2008-05-02 09:49 < ThePolecat> as in a company register
2008-05-02 09:50 < ThePolecat> or a chartered plane
2008-05-02 09:50 < cimon> but territory or should it always be "waters"
2008-05-02 09:50 < ThePolecat> I'd say both work nicely
2008-05-02 09:50 < cimon> okay, territory it is.
2008-05-02 09:51 < ThePolecat> Österreich is 90th
2008-05-02 09:51 < ThePolecat> worse than Armenia or Cyprus
2008-05-02 09:52 < ThePolecat> In fact they're only 102nd now
2008-05-02 09:52 < ThePolecat> I looked at the wrong ranking
2008-05-02 09:53 < ThePolecat> ahead only of Estonia, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Malta, Azerbaijan, Montenegro, Luxembourg, Andorra, Faroe and San Marino
2008-05-02 09:53 < zocky> poleyeah, they're really bad
2008-05-02 09:53 < zocky> ahem
2008-05-02 09:54 < zocky> s/pole/ThePolecat, /
2008-05-02 09:54 < ThePolecat> ya
2008-05-02 09:54 < ThePolecat> Italy is overall No. 1
2008-05-02 09:54 < ThePolecat> no, yer right
2008-05-02 09:54 < ThePolecat> Argentina
2008-05-02 09:54 < Working_Cat> Armenia
2008-05-02 09:55 < cimon> "These two house rabbits share a litter box designed for a cat. The compactness of their droppings allows house rabbits to stay clean while spending considerable time in the litter box, often eating hay from there." - TMI!
2008-05-02 09:55 < ThePolecat> Armenia is still better than Austria.
2008-05-02 09:57 < Working_Cat> actually, it should be Australia before Austria
2008-05-02 09:57 < Werdna> woo!
2008-05-02 09:57 < Werdna> I just finished fixing up global groups
2008-05-02 09:59 < RaMeEbOY> hellow
2008-05-02 10:00 < RaMeEbOY> you guys are from wikipedia portal?
2008-05-02 10:00 < Working_Cat> RaMeEbOY: no, we are from the Orange Box portal
2008-05-02 10:00 < f_d> I can't for the life of me find an appropriate channel to ask this question so I'm taking my chances: Does *anyone* know how I can duplicate a page I've just written in Microsoft Word 07? It's made out of lots and lots of text boxes and copy / paste will take a while.
2008-05-02 10:00 < RaMeEbOY> website?
2008-05-02 10:01 < RaMeEbOY> copy paste the file
2008-05-02 10:01 < RaMeEbOY> from where u saved it
2008-05-02 10:01 < f_d> What, and then merge the document? Does it have that feature?
2008-05-02 10:02 < f_d> documents
2008-05-02 10:02 < RaMeEbOY> just a page?
2008-05-02 10:02 < RaMeEbOY> like a specific page?
2008-05-02 10:02 < Working_Cat> i dont think word has a merge feature.
2008-05-02 10:03 * Mbimmler waves to the British...you do like your government a lot, don't you?
2008-05-02 10:03 < RaMeEbOY> you cant merge em
2008-05-02 10:03 < Working_Cat> but you could copy paste the whole doc in explorer... and then copy stuff from the other document into the one with all the boxes
2008-05-02 10:04 < RaMeEbOY> manual recreation :)
2008-05-02 10:04 < Working_Cat> as in you have a doc A which has textboxes... and a doc B which has normal text
2008-05-02 10:04 < RaMeEbOY> maybe those guys from channel windows can help
2008-05-02 10:04 < Working_Cat> CtrlC CtrlV A into Copy of A > C
2008-05-02 10:04 < Working_Cat> then copy from B into C
2008-05-02 10:04 < f_d> You can't copy and paste textboxes easily, you have to shift select all the ones you want, but I have loads and it's really fiddly
2008-05-02 10:05 < RaMeEbOY> yeah
2008-05-02 10:05 < RaMeEbOY> checkout #Windows
2008-05-02 10:05 < f_d> word. cheers
2008-05-02 10:05 < Working_Cat> f_d: thats what im saying. make a copy of the document itself
2008-05-02 10:05 < Working_Cat> heh
2008-05-02 10:05 < RaMeEbOY> long way
2008-05-02 10:05 < RaMeEbOY> duplicate and edit
2008-05-02 10:05 < RaMeEbOY> hehehe\
2008-05-02 10:05 < Working_Cat> anyways RaMeEbOY, yeah we are from WP
2008-05-02 10:06 < RaMeEbOY> wow kewl
2008-05-02 10:06 < RaMeEbOY> wp is always handy hehehehe
2008-05-02 10:06 < Working_Cat> just a word though, this channel is rarely on topic
2008-05-02 10:06 < RaMeEbOY> all people here are busy?
2008-05-02 10:07 < RaMeEbOY> editing?
2008-05-02 10:07 < Working_Cat> f_d left in this case, but usually such a thing tends to lead to a loooooooong discussion which ends up in someone calling someone else a cabalist or a jimboist
2008-05-02 10:08 < Working_Cat> RaMeEbOY: no, a lot of people on here have a life.
2008-05-02 10:08 < RaMeEbOY> thats good
2008-05-02 10:08 < RaMeEbOY> hehehehe
2008-05-02 10:08 < RaMeEbOY> im just here in irc
2008-05-02 10:08 < RaMeEbOY> coz i have no work for the meantime
2008-05-02 10:08 * Working_Cat pitches a few pegs into NoPegs ... there you go
2008-05-02 10:09 < RaMeEbOY> hahaha the answer to f_d\s query was just select all ^_^
2008-05-02 10:09 < RaMeEbOY> <nescafegold> f_d:you mean "select all"
2008-05-02 10:09 < RaMeEbOY> * MTeck is now known as MTecknology
2008-05-02 10:09 < RaMeEbOY> <f_d> Aha, thankyou
2008-05-02 10:09 < RaMeEbOY> he should have bought your solution
2008-05-02 10:10 < Working_Cat> heh, copying a document.. esp /that/ kind of document in explorer is a lot faster.
2008-05-02 10:11 < Working_Cat> ctrl+A can be a bitch on the computer
2008-05-02 10:11 < RaMeEbOY> he he
2008-05-02 10:11 < RaMeEbOY> is WP getting a lot of donations?
2008-05-02 10:11 < eth01> i'd like to hope so.
2008-05-02 10:12 < Gambit> nope
2008-05-02 10:12 < Gambit> it ended on 29th march :P
2008-05-02 10:12 < eth01> i donated £2k last year.
2008-05-02 10:12 < RaMeEbOY> wow
2008-05-02 10:12 < RaMeEbOY> hmm
2008-05-02 10:12 < RaMeEbOY> what are the common expenses then?
2008-05-02 10:12 < RaMeEbOY> u know.. techie side of the ball
2008-05-02 10:12 < cimon> we also got 3,5 mil in big donations
2008-05-02 10:13 < Gambit> eth01, ask for your money back :P
2008-05-02 10:13 < RaMeEbOY> wow
2008-05-02 10:13 < eth01> whyever so?
2008-05-02 10:13 < cimon> that is 3 mil in one donation, and half a mil in another
2008-05-02 10:13 < cimon> though the 3 mil is paced at a mil per year.
2008-05-02 10:14 < RaMeEbOY> what will you do with that fund?
2008-05-02 10:16 < cimon> buy hookers for Jimbo
2008-05-02 10:16 < RaMeEbOY> hmmm
2008-05-02 10:16 < RaMeEbOY> costs like 20$? each
2008-05-02 10:16 < RaMeEbOY> hehehehe
2008-05-02 10:17 < Working_Cat> if theres $20 hookies ANYWHERE... i bloody want them
2008-05-02 10:17 < Working_Cat> but not when theyre bloody ofcourse
2008-05-02 10:18 * Working_Cat should not be making such statements at work
2008-05-02 10:18 < Lycurgus> hookies = wookie hookers?
2008-05-02 10:18 < Working_Cat> the friday is getting to me
2008-05-02 10:18 < RaMeEbOY> hehehehe
2008-05-02 10:18 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: cheerleaders from Virginia Tech
2008-05-02 10:18 < RaMeEbOY> ohh damn
2008-05-02 10:18 < RaMeEbOY> hehehehehe
2008-05-02 10:18 < RaMeEbOY> students hu
2008-05-02 10:18 < Lycurgus> same diff I bet
2008-05-02 10:19 < RaMeEbOY> why a lot of people prefer students?
2008-05-02 10:19 < RaMeEbOY> coz they can count?
2008-05-02 10:19 * Working_Cat is out before the discussion goes to hell.
2008-05-02 10:20 < RaMeEbOY> hahahaha
2008-05-02 10:20 < RaMeEbOY> cruel
2008-05-02 10:20 < Demi> prefer students to what?
2008-05-02 10:20 < eth01> brain
2008-05-02 10:20 < Demi> brain, brain, what is brain?!
2008-05-02 10:21 < RaMeEbOY> kiss the brain
2008-05-02 10:21 < eth01> you'll have salty lips :)
2008-05-02 10:21 < RaMeEbOY> brain is the largest sex organ
2008-05-02 10:22 < eth01> saline to be precise
2008-05-02 10:22 < RaMeEbOY> hehehehe
2008-05-02 10:22 < RaMeEbOY> sweet
2008-05-02 10:23 < RaMeEbOY> hmm
2008-05-02 10:23 < Demi> the largest sex organ is the Sens-U-Tone 3000, made out of hundreds of penis and vagina-shaped pipes by the Wurlitzer corporation in 1968.
2008-05-02 10:23 < RaMeEbOY> what was that dam in brazil
2008-05-02 10:23 < RaMeEbOY> border with paraguai
2008-05-02 10:23 < Lycurgus> iguazu
2008-05-02 10:23 < Lycurgus> oder dergleichen
2008-05-02 10:23 < RaMeEbOY> that generates brazil's elecx..
2008-05-02 10:28 < Lycurgus> hmmm, the article says absolutely nothing about power generation
2008-05-02 10:28 < RaMeEbOY> really?
2008-05-02 10:28 < RaMeEbOY> it does
2008-05-02 10:29 < RaMeEbOY> massive power generating dam
2008-05-02 10:29 < zocky> we should delete a lot of redirects
2008-05-02 10:30 < zocky> it seems that some people think that redirecting red links to whatever article sounds tangentially appropriate is helpful
2008-05-02 10:32 < Demi> zocky - may favorite is when someone makes a redirect for a red link in a list back to the list itself
2008-05-02 10:33 < learath> pocky?
2008-05-02 10:33 < zocky> Demi, haha
2008-05-02 10:33 < Demi> bbiab
2008-05-02 10:34 * ThePolecat on the other hand /is/ back
2008-05-02 10:34 < zocky> <<A female that has flown, mated and is producing eggs, is called a "Queen". Similarly, a male that has flown, mated and remains in proximity to a queen, is termed a "King". These anthropocentric terms have caused great misunderstanding of colony dynamics.>>
2008-05-02 10:34 < zocky> sounds like bullshit, no?
2008-05-02 10:35 < chb|vienna> zocky, why not?
2008-05-02 10:35 < ThePolecat> it would be jolly useless unless they say what the differences are
2008-05-02 10:36 * ThePolecat eats more IKEA fare
2008-05-02 10:36 < zocky> chb|vienna, because words are just labels, they have no meaning on their own
2008-05-02 10:36 < ThePolecat> Holy Derrida.
2008-05-02 10:37 < zocky> and anyway, they're bee-centric or ant-centric, not anthropocentric
2008-05-02 10:37 < chb|vienna> zocky, ? what does this have to do with colony dynamics - and calling the male king provokes anthropcetic thoughts
2008-05-02 10:37 < zocky> Research using genetic techniques to determine relatedness of colony members is showing that the idea that colonies are only ever headed by a monogamous royal pair is wrong.
2008-05-02 10:37 < zocky> so the point is that it was wrongly thought that "queen" implies only one individual breeding
2008-05-02 10:37 < chb|vienna> zocky, thats what the sentence expresses ;-)
2008-05-02 10:37 < zocky> that's typical of ants, not humans
2008-05-02 10:38 < Lycurgus> itaipu not iguazu
2008-05-02 10:38 < ThePolecat> Brb.
2008-05-02 10:38 < ThePolecat> Itaipu = dam, Iguacu = waterfall
2008-05-02 10:39 < RaMeEbOY> got to sleep
2008-05-02 10:39 < RaMeEbOY> bye guys
2008-05-02 10:39 < Lycurgus> right, related but not the same. The iguazu feeds the parana which is where the dam is.
2008-05-02 10:40 < RaMeEbOY> hehehe
2008-05-02 10:40 < RaMeEbOY> itaipu dam
2008-05-02 10:40 < RaMeEbOY> bye
2008-05-02 10:44 * ThePolecat wonders whether the directions on the package for the deep-frozen salmon weren't too optimistic
2008-05-02 10:44 < Lycurgus> nuke for 8 minutes?
2008-05-02 10:45 < ThePolecat> it says "600 W for six minutes"
2008-05-02 10:45 < ThePolecat> and they were stone hard
2008-05-02 10:45 < Lycurgus> (that works with aldis frozen salmon for me)
2008-05-02 10:45 < ThePolecat> Oh I'll never break/never break/never break/never break/that salmon of stone
2008-05-02 10:45 < ThePolecat> no-ho-noho
2008-05-02 10:46 < ThePolecat> No matter how I pelt, I just can't make it melt- doodle doo
2008-05-02 10:47 < Sfan00> Any math people in?
2008-05-02 10:48 < ThePolecat> On verra.
2008-05-02 10:48 < ThePolecat> Brb.
2008-05-02 10:48 < Wiredtape> good morning, i am wondering whether anyone knows what a personal protection order is?
2008-05-02 10:48 * ThePolecat is in his profession to avoid math AMAP
2008-05-02 10:49 < Lycurgus> wiredtape: 1st guess: a restraining order/and or police protection in response to threats
2008-05-02 10:49 < Sfan00> Wiredtape: Which Jurisdiction?
2008-05-02 10:50 < Wiredtape> Lycurgus: i'm assuming that's correct, i'm wondering though what effects it has..
2008-05-02 10:50 < Wiredtape> Sfan00, i got the term specifically related to michigan, but am wondering whether or not it's a nation wide term?
2008-05-02 10:50 < ThePolecat> isn't there a WP article?
2008-05-02 10:50 < Wiredtape> nope
2008-05-02 10:50 < Sfan00> It depeends...
2008-05-02 10:50 < Wiredtape> atleast not that i know of..
2008-05-02 10:51 < Sfan00> There are such thigs as Restraing orders in the UK
2008-05-02 10:51 < Sfan00> but 'personal protection orders' aren't something I'd come across
2008-05-02 10:51 < Sfan00> What was the context?
2008-05-02 10:51 < ThePolecat> law department of the state?
2008-05-02 10:51 < ThePolecat> resp. its website?
2008-05-02 10:51 < Sfan00> Because protective orders (I am not a Lawyer)
2008-05-02 10:51 < Wiredtape> the term "restraining order" is a bit different from "personal protection order" - atleast from what i gathered...
2008-05-02 10:52 < Sfan00> in the Uk could mean a number of things
2008-05-02 10:52 < Wiredtape> ThePolecat: well.. a pdf explaining the instructions to it is here: http://www.courts.michigan.gov/scao/courtforms/personalprotectionorders/p02.pdf
2008-05-02 10:52 < ThePolecat> I suppose the latter is more about protection of an individual.
2008-05-02 10:52 < Sfan00> Including things like 'restraining orders'
2008-05-02 10:52 < Wiredtape> but i'm not sure what department that is..
2008-05-02 10:52 < Sfan00> Injuctions on parties in a civil case
2008-05-02 10:52 < Wiredtape> isn't a restrainig order also an individual action?
2008-05-02 10:52 < ThePolecat> oh, yea, court system makes sense
2008-05-02 10:53 < ThePolecat> Wiredtape: Yes, but perpetrator-related
2008-05-02 10:53 < Sfan00> Protection orders in the UK could also refer to orders made by the court
2008-05-02 10:53 < ThePolecat> Well, of course there are the more general orders to "keep things as they are"
2008-05-02 10:53 < Sfan00> in respect of 'protection' grnated to specfied indviduals because of thier status or vunrbality
2008-05-02 10:53 < ThePolecat> when evidence is threatened with destruction
2008-05-02 10:54 < Sfan00> Parodixacly, some 'Protection' orders are to protect society at large, rather than an indvidual, as in the example of Mental Health Sections...
2008-05-02 10:54 < Wiredtape> So, trying to summarize, a personal protection order is saying: this individual needs protection in general, while a restraining order protects from a specific other individual?
2008-05-02 10:54 < ThePolecat> Wiredtape: Pure speculation
2008-05-02 10:55 * Wiredtape wonders why he can't find any "definition" on the web..
2008-05-02 10:55 < ThePolecat> But seeing the list of forms here http://courts.michigan.gov/scao/courtforms/personalprotectionorders/ppoindex.htm
2008-05-02 10:55 < ThePolecat> that's what it seems to be.
2008-05-02 10:55 < ThePolecat> seems to be a MI thing
2008-05-02 10:56 < Sfan00> A personal protection order from the sound of it, is an order of the court granted to an indvidual upon application, giving that indvidual various protections..
2008-05-02 10:56 < Wiredtape> that's what i think as well...
2008-05-02 10:56 < ThePolecat> Yea, precisely
2008-05-02 10:56 < ThePolecat> while a restraining order tells a pepetrator what not to do.
2008-05-02 10:56 < Wiredtape> Sfan00: have any notions regarding what those "protections" are?
2008-05-02 10:56 < Sfan00> However, No
2008-05-02 10:56 < Demi> restraining orders are a general thing, they're not just for protection from stalkers or whatever
2008-05-02 10:57 < Sfan00> Wiredtape: I am form the UK
2008-05-02 10:57 < ThePolecat> are they the material content of injunctions?
2008-05-02 10:57 < Demi> they might be a special form of injunction, there's usually some stereotyped process for obtaining one
2008-05-02 10:57 < Sfan00> So in general a protection order, from the sound of it what be a general prohibition on thing being done by others against the subject of the order
2008-05-02 10:57 < Sfan00> *would
2008-05-02 10:58 < ThePolecat> I'm not sure.
2008-05-02 10:58 < Wiredtape> maybe it's general and lets the court "declare" a protection/prohibition?
2008-05-02 10:58 < ThePolecat> it needs to be addressed to someone.
2008-05-02 10:58 < ThePolecat> and I'm not sure who it is addressed to
2008-05-02 10:59 < Wiredtape> well.. this is the place i first heard of it: http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83
2008-05-02 10:59 < ThePolecat> whether it's addressed at the executive to protect someone or at the perpetrator
2008-05-02 10:59 < ral315> A restraining order "restrains" one from performing a particular act.
2008-05-02 10:59 < Wiredtape> and it seems it is addressed against individuals, but then i don't really see the difference between a PPO and a restraining order... (even if restraining orders don't have to be declared against a specific perpetrator)
2008-05-02 11:00 < ral315> A PPO is a type of restraining order.
2008-05-02 11:00 < ThePolecat> Oh
2008-05-02 11:00 < Sfan00> A restraining order prohibits certain actions
2008-05-02 11:00 < ral315> It keeps the recipient from doing certain things (going within 500 feet, etc.)
2008-05-02 11:00 < ThePolecat> Maybe a specified RO
2008-05-02 11:00 < ThePolecat> targeted at a particular person
2008-05-02 11:00 < ral315> I could get a restraining order forbidding me from editing Wikipedia
2008-05-02 11:00 < ThePolecat> while not barring doing things to other people
2008-05-02 11:01 < ral315> Or a restraining order forbidding me from making private information public
2008-05-02 11:01 < ral315> Etc.
2008-05-02 11:01 < Wiredtape> ral315 : do you happen to know if that is specified at a federal or state level?
2008-05-02 11:01 < ThePolecat> (which a more general RO would do)
2008-05-02 11:01 < Sfan00> Wheras a protection order (UK Understanding) places additonal responsibilites on indviduals and organisations (usally Governmental)
2008-05-02 11:01 < ThePolecat> Wiredtape: It seems to be a Michigan thing primarily.
2008-05-02 11:01 < ral315> I'm not well-versed in a lot of law.
2008-05-02 11:01 < ThePolecat> the first few hits on Google all mention Michigan
2008-05-02 11:01 < ral315> I believe federal restraining orders are possible, though they're probably called "injunctions"
2008-05-02 11:01 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: That's what I meant by "addressee"
2008-05-02 11:02 < ThePolecat> an injunction is just the general term for a range of such measures.
2008-05-02 11:02 < Sfan00> In the UK , An 'Injunction' is a general term for an prohibition imposed by a court is it not?
2008-05-02 11:02 < Wiredtape> ThePolecat: it does, however, perhaps it exists in all states under different names.. (page 3 (iirc) of google search starts to mention oklahoma as well)
2008-05-02 11:02 < ral315> Yeah, certainly other states have PPOs under different names.
2008-05-02 11:02 < ral315> Many may just call them "restraining orders"
2008-05-02 11:03 < ral315> (In this respect, I don't help much, because I'm from Michigan)
2008-05-02 11:03 < ThePolecat> an injunction is any temporary ruling on a case to safeguard rights that would vanish if you were to lead a whole lawsuit.
2008-05-02 11:03 < Sfan00> What in US parlance would be a restraining order, might be termed an injunction in the UK
2008-05-02 11:03 < ThePolecat> no, injunction is a lot more general.
2008-05-02 11:03 < Sfan00> Alnogside a LOT of other orders, and rulings
2008-05-02 11:03 < ThePolecat> they're all preliminary court orders to safeguard rights.
2008-05-02 11:04 < Sfan00> Are they only preliminary?
2008-05-02 11:04 < Wiredtape> prior to a lawsuit/hearing?
2008-05-02 11:04 < Sfan00> My understanding was that some injuctions in the UK WERE the ouctome in some civil cases?
2008-05-02 11:04 < Wiredtape> As the instructions specify, a PPO can be achieved with/without a hearing..
2008-05-02 11:04 < ThePolecat> Well, to my understanding injunctions can only be preliminary due to the cursory (urgent) handling of such cases?
2008-05-02 11:05 < Sfan00> Like for example , an 'Injuction' preventing the disclosure of certain details by the media.
2008-05-02 11:05 < ThePolecat> Well, obviously if one side accepts the injunction, there'd be no reason to proceed.
2008-05-02 11:05 < Wiredtape> ThePolecat: I would guess though, that they might be the final order of a court if they offered a solution..
2008-05-02 11:05 < ThePolecat> usually those are done quickly and are error-prone.
2008-05-02 11:05 < ThePolecat> Yep, precisely.
2008-05-02 11:06 * ThePolecat knows it from administrative law which Common Law jurisdictions don't have
2008-05-02 11:06 < ThePolecat> but of course it's also done in civil procedure
2008-05-02 11:06 < ThePolecat> which I'm not well versed in
2008-05-02 11:07 < Wiredtape> Ok, thanks *everyone* - that's defintely enough for me to start on.. (unless someone can offer more information on what prohibitions/protections are allowed by law in any injuction)
2008-05-02 11:07 < ThePolecat> take care.
2008-05-02 11:07 < ThePolecat> (get a lawyer perhaps)
2008-05-02 11:07 < Sfan00> Wiredtape: Depends onf the Jurisdiction
2008-05-02 11:07 < Sfan00> and on the laws of that Jurisidiction
2008-05-02 11:07 < Wiredtape> ThePolecat: it's for an article :)
2008-05-02 11:07 < ThePolecat> Oh!
2008-05-02 11:07 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-05-02 11:07 < ThePolecat> Still, get a lawyer :-P
2008-05-02 11:07 < Wiredtape> lol
2008-05-02 11:08 < Lycurgus> people keep trying to put Yeshua on [[List of people who have disappeared]]
2008-05-02 11:08 < Sfan00> A 'Protection' order I think means something different in the UK
2008-05-02 11:08 < Sfan00> Who is Yeshua?
2008-05-02 11:08 < ThePolecat> Yeshua ben Yosef mi'Natsaret?
2008-05-02 11:09 < ThePolecat> melekh ha'Yehudim?
2008-05-02 11:09 < Wiredtape> Sfan00: I assume though that there are limits to the kind of protections\prohibitions you can apply by an injuction/po/ro.. (for instance, you probably can't prohibite the aggresor from being in the same state.. (to take it to the extreme))
2008-05-02 11:09 < Lycurgus> PC: derselbsten
2008-05-02 11:09 < Sfan00> Well... it depends
2008-05-02 11:09 < Sfan00> You can't obviously take out an injunction to obsturct lawlful actions
2008-05-02 11:09 < Wiredtape> Lycurgus: Yeshua Derselbsten?
2008-05-02 11:09 < ThePolecat> There are some fairly harsh laws against freed convicts in sex crime.
2008-05-02 11:10 < ThePolecat> "Derselbe."
2008-05-02 11:10 < Sfan00> unless you can demonstrate such lawful actions pose a direct threat or nusiance
2008-05-02 11:10 < ThePolecat> in Berlin "Ebenderselbige."
2008-05-02 11:10 < Lycurgus> PC: danke
2008-05-02 11:10 < Sfan00> ThePoleCat: Don't get me started on a political rant
2008-05-02 11:10 < ThePolecat> Convicts in sex crime who've served their time usually have to live in a tent far from any town.
2008-05-02 11:10 < Wiredtape> Sfan00 : I think "you can demonstrate such lawful actions pose a direct threat or nusiance" is probably the perfect wording for that.. my guess is: if you can, than it might be approved..
2008-05-02 11:10 < Wiredtape> so thank you ..
2008-05-02 11:11 < ThePolecat> Which, to put it mildly, doesn't help in making them responsible citizens.
2008-05-02 11:11 < Sfan00> In the UK you can also get injunctions for 'Anti-Social' acts...
2008-05-02 11:11 < ThePolecat> Well, those happen all the time here
2008-05-02 11:11 < Wiredtape> ThePolecat : is that true?
2008-05-02 11:11 < Lycurgus> i wonder how much amstettin is going to cost the austrian govt?
2008-05-02 11:11 < Sfan00> Although what qualifies often depends on the circusmstances
2008-05-02 11:11 < ThePolecat> "no loitering on X Square for a week"
2008-05-02 11:11 < ThePolecat> Wiredtape: In some U.S. states, yes.
2008-05-02 11:12 < Sfan00> ThePoleCat: Harsh laws against released Sex Offenders indicate one of two things...
2008-05-02 11:12 < Sfan00> i) That such offenders are so bad they need to be restrcited, If so why are they relased rather than being in Jail?
2008-05-02 11:12 < ThePolecat> Because they got a sentence and served it for instance :-/
2008-05-02 11:13 < ThePolecat> you can hold someone in a mental hospital for longer though
2008-05-02 11:13 < ThePolecat> (here)
2008-05-02 11:13 < Sfan00> ii) That the rehabilitative element of a custodial sentence has failed...
2008-05-02 11:13 < Sfan00> (which is a failure of the Justice systems, just as much as an indictment of the indvidual concerned)
2008-05-02 11:13 < ThePolecat> I think it's more that some forms of democracy favor crowd-pleasing legislative work.
2008-05-02 11:13 < ThePolecat> we call that "final legislation"
2008-05-02 11:14 < Sfan00> thePoleCat " Burn the Witches!!!" laws? ;)
2008-05-02 11:14 < ThePolecat> where the consequences can become quite baffling at times.
2008-05-02 11:14 < Wiredtape> Sfan00 : This is actually a major problem in some countries, where sexual offense laws provide "small" maximum sentances...
2008-05-02 11:14 < ThePolecat> Short sentences are pretty bad.
2008-05-02 11:14 < ThePolecat> they're too short to educate and long enough to get you in touch with even worse people.
2008-05-02 11:14 < Sfan00> Wiredtape: Mandatory sentencing is not alwasy a good idea...
2008-05-02 11:15 < Sfan00> Juries should have some discretion in sentencing choices...
2008-05-02 11:15 < ThePolecat> We have that for murder, and it lead to pretty unjust harshnesses.
2008-05-02 11:15 < ThePolecat> (we have no real jury, of course)
2008-05-02 11:15 < Wiredtape> Sfan00: I'm definitely not saying it is.. I am saying though that a sexual offender who was released after 2 years of jail time is still fresh in the minds of civilians of his area..
2008-05-02 11:15 < ThePolecat> The scare factor, yea.
2008-05-02 11:16 < Sfan00> What should be considered is relocation...
2008-05-02 11:16 < ThePolecat> But where?
2008-05-02 11:16 < Aqwis> australia!
2008-05-02 11:16 < ThePolecat> Nobody likes to live next to one.
2008-05-02 11:16 < Wiredtape> That is usually the outcome ... but as a choice by the offender himself/herself
2008-05-02 11:16 < Wiredtape> hehe
2008-05-02 11:16 < ThePolecat> Aqwis: Austria, more like.
2008-05-02 11:16 < Aqwis> heh.
2008-05-02 11:17 < Wiredtape> Maybe one day there will be "criminal trading" - you give me two sexual offenders for your 1 murderer... :-\
2008-05-02 11:17 < Sfan00> However, the other issue is that letting out sex criminals to harsh after-jial conditons, implies that the sentencing for the crimes is too lax
2008-05-02 11:17 < ThePolecat> no
2008-05-02 11:17 < ThePolecat> I really think it's bad laws.
2008-05-02 11:17 < Sfan00> With proper sentencing , there should not be a need for harsh after jail treatment
2008-05-02 11:18 < ThePolecat> they don't even *let* you make an estimation
2008-05-02 11:18 < Sfan00> Either they come out of jail , rehabilitated....
2008-05-02 11:18 < ThePolecat> Not true.
2008-05-02 11:18 < Wiredtape> Sfan00: Do you expect civilians to understand that someone was rehabilitated?
2008-05-02 11:18 < ThePolecat> Just lack of discretion is the problem.
2008-05-02 11:18 < Sfan00> Or they are suffciently dangerous that the sentence needs to be kept under review
2008-05-02 11:18 < Sfan00> Wiredtape: Yes
2008-05-02 11:18 < ThePolecat> And are, of course.
2008-05-02 11:18 < Aqwis> death to civilians
2008-05-02 11:18 < ThePolecat> Sfan00: Problem is they read the Daily Mail.
2008-05-02 11:19 < Sfan00> The UK, has a concept of 'recall' in respect of life sentences...
2008-05-02 11:19 < Sfan00> The problem is that a lot of serious sex-attackers don't get long enough sentences..
2008-05-02 11:19 < Wiredtape> Sfan00 : Well.. I think, that's a bit utopic.. unfortunately, perhaps..
2008-05-02 11:20 < ThePolecat> I have no idea. I think there is a lot of insecurity about proper sentencing.
2008-05-02 11:20 < Sfan00> However on a tagetn, there are plenty of sex 'crimes' that probably shouldn't exist
2008-05-02 11:20 < Sfan00> Like nude bathing...
2008-05-02 11:20 < Wiredtape> that's a sex crime?
2008-05-02 11:20 < ThePolecat> There are skinny-dipping areas here
2008-05-02 11:20 < Sfan00> In some parts of the US it is...
2008-05-02 11:20 < ThePolecat> it was a popular pastime in East Germany
2008-05-02 11:21 < ral315> Public urination will get you on the sex offender list in some areas of the U.S.
2008-05-02 11:21 < ThePolecat> You confuse "public decency" and "sex crime"
2008-05-02 11:21 < ral315> Not sure about nude sunbathing.
2008-05-02 11:21 < Phoenixwi> has kurt been on?
2008-05-02 11:21 < ThePolecat> those have very different protection goals
2008-05-02 11:21 < Wiredtape> hmm... that's something i defintely need to research...
2008-05-02 11:21 < Sfan00> The other thing that's still a sex-crime in the US in some parts is Homosexual intercourse
2008-05-02 11:21 < ThePolecat> no
2008-05-02 11:21 < Wiredtape> of course...
2008-05-02 11:22 < ThePolecat> those things have been struck down
2008-05-02 11:22 < ral315> Sfan00: That's been invalidated by Lawrence v. Texas
2008-05-02 11:22 < Wiredtape> and also felacio
2008-05-02 11:22 < ral315> The laws may be on the books, but they're invalid.
2008-05-02 11:22 < Sfan00> ral315: Doesn't stop the 'Redneck' sheriff ... ;)
2008-05-02 11:22 < ThePolecat> it does, in court.
2008-05-02 11:22 < ThePolecat> and that would cost the county dearly.
2008-05-02 11:22 < ral315> Well, no, but the charges would be thrown out.
2008-05-02 11:22 < Phoenixwi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v_Texas
2008-05-02 11:23 < ThePolecat> because you don't want to be called an offender without being one.
2008-05-02 11:23 < Wiredtape> ral315: last I checked there are still "criminals" in jail for getting oral sex/giving oral sex... (specifically in the case of a minor/18yrold)
2008-05-02 11:23 < ral315> Wiredtape: You said it involved a minor?
2008-05-02 11:23 < Sfan00> Well Wiredtape , if a minor's involved..
2008-05-02 11:23 < Wiredtape> I don't remember the case.. but it was in the newspapers and online ... the case was like this:
2008-05-02 11:24 < Wiredtape> 2 teenagers (girl was 16, boy had just turned 18) were at a party and the girl consentingly gave oral sex to the boy..
2008-05-02 11:24 < Wiredtape> he is still in jail..
2008-05-02 11:24 < ThePolecat> The longer a debate on #wikipedia goes on, the bigger the chances that the topic changes to sex offenders