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2008-05-01 07:47 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Honey, not a whole lot of people consider Turkey European.
2008-05-01 07:47 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H oh I was going to talk about Paris traffic
2008-05-01 07:47 < Shiroi_Neko> but I supose paris isnt in Europe
2008-05-01 07:47 < Mike_H> no, it's in Texas.
2008-05-01 07:47 < Shiroi_Neko> as its more albanian than french after all
2008-05-01 07:47 * ThePolecat knows that Morocco has applied to join the EU
2008-05-01 07:47 < Lycurgus> DW-TV in mitte Europas
2008-05-01 07:47 < Shiroi_Neko> ThePolecat and they were promptly declined
2008-05-01 07:48 < Shiroi_Neko> I wonder when russia will join the EU
2008-05-01 07:48 < ThePolecat> Well, yes, but not primarily on the grounds that they weren't European
2008-05-01 07:48 < Shiroi_Neko> ThePolecat that was the excuse
2008-05-01 07:48 < ThePolecat> They do their Slavic identity thing right now, they're not about to.
2008-05-01 07:49 < Shiroi_Neko> that they were not ready
2008-05-01 07:49 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: I was discussing with a Portuguese guy
2008-05-01 07:49 < Mike_H> about social attitudes in Portugal
2008-05-01 07:49 < ThePolecat> I really have no time!
2008-05-01 07:49 < Mike_H> and why they're so conservative
2008-05-01 07:49 < ThePolecat> Can we do this in a moment?
2008-05-01 07:49 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: sigh
2008-05-01 07:49 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H Portugal's only neighbour is the spanish
2008-05-01 07:49 < Shiroi_Neko> you cannot expect them not to be cocnservative
2008-05-01 07:49 < ThePolecat> Portuguese electorate is pretty left-wing economically.
2008-05-01 07:50 < Shiroi_Neko> spanish culture is adicctive
2008-05-01 07:50 < Gazimoff> Question: When does a new editor become an editor and not a newbie?
2008-05-01 07:50 < Shiroi_Neko> Gazimoff after one week
2008-05-01 07:50 < Lycurgus> por supuesto
2008-05-01 07:50 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: But the Spanish are more liberal.
2008-05-01 07:50 < ThePolecat> Socially maybe.
2008-05-01 07:50 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H depends on the era
2008-05-01 07:50 < Shiroi_Neko> lately yes
2008-05-01 07:50 < Mike_H> A majority of Spaniards are for gay marriage.
2008-05-01 07:50 < ThePolecat> and by no means all.
2008-05-01 07:50 < Shiroi_Neko> they have more women in the parliment than men
2008-05-01 07:50 < Mike_H> In Portugal, their percentage was second-lowest in the developed EU countries
2008-05-01 07:50 < Mike_H> second-lowest only to Greece.
2008-05-01 07:50 < ThePolecat> Brb though.
2008-05-01 07:51 < Shiroi_Neko> Greece hates gayness huh?
2008-05-01 07:51 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Their percentage for gay marriage was 15%.
2008-05-01 07:51 < Lycurgus> they on the DL
2008-05-01 07:51 < Mike_H> In Portugal it was 30%.
2008-05-01 07:51 < Mike_H> Germany's was 52% and Spain's was 56%.
2008-05-01 07:51 < Shiroi_Neko> oh you mean support for legalising it
2008-05-01 07:51 < Shiroi_Neko> I dont think germany is 52% gay :)
2008-05-01 07:52 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H Spanish are easy-going people
2008-05-01 07:52 < Shiroi_Neko> and they are more concerned with stuff like ETA
2008-05-01 07:52 < Sfan00> Shiroi_Neko: Well lets hope they aren't recalling an Inquistion...
2008-05-01 07:53 < Shiroi_Neko> Sfan00 I dont know
2008-05-01 07:53 < Shiroi_Neko> if it is the spanish women giving you special kind of inquisition...
2008-05-01 07:54 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_HᅞI think gay marrige isnt a big issue in europe
2008-05-01 07:55 < Shiroi_Neko> because politicans do not really use it
2008-05-01 07:55 < Shiroi_Neko> unlike the US
2008-05-01 07:55 < Sfan00> Well there are some that don't want to call it 'marrige'
2008-05-01 07:55 < Shiroi_Neko> where its gay marrige galore
2008-05-01 07:55 < Sfan00> because of relgious overtones
2008-05-01 07:55 < Shiroi_Neko> Sfan00 right
2008-05-01 07:55 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Well, people like to say that the US is really backwards on this issue
2008-05-01 07:55 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H I dont think so
2008-05-01 07:55 < Mike_H> but our public opinion polls show we're above a lot of European countries in that regard
2008-05-01 07:55 < Shiroi_Neko> most USians dont care
2008-05-01 07:55 < Mike_H> and only like, five or six points below the UK
2008-05-01 07:56 < Mike_H> 40% compared to 45/46%
2008-05-01 07:56 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H %'s are meaningless
2008-05-01 07:56 < Shiroi_Neko> public opinion can change overnight
2008-05-01 07:57 < Shiroi_Neko> I am sure the public opinion for Bush changed sinificantly on 12 September 2001
2008-05-01 07:57 < Mike_H> It did
2008-05-01 07:57 < Sfan00> Well before that he was regarded by some as a bit of a buffon
2008-05-01 07:57 < Mike_H> it went from like 50% to 90%
2008-05-01 07:57 < Shiroi_Neko> preciesly
2008-05-01 07:58 < Shiroi_Neko> if a gay married couple does soemthing terrible
2008-05-01 07:58 < Shiroi_Neko> public oppinion would probably take a nose dive
2008-05-01 07:58 < Shiroi_Neko> and this is just an example
2008-05-01 07:59 < Sfan00> Shiroi_Neko: And the fact that they are violating God's plan is meaningless?
2008-05-01 07:59 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-05-01 07:59 < Shiroi_Neko> Generally speaking, what people think doesnt really matter. What is in the law is the only thing that may count.
2008-05-01 07:59 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Is it true that church weddings are not recognized in Turkey?
2008-05-01 07:59 < Shiroi_Neko> Of course the applicatioon of the law is more important.
2008-05-01 07:59 < Mike_H> Any church weddings?
2008-05-01 07:59 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H yes and no
2008-05-01 07:59 < Shiroi_Neko> officialy not
2008-05-01 07:59 < Shiroi_Neko> but last week there was this guy who had three wives
2008-05-01 07:59 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: My friend married a Turkish guy and they had to have a city hall wedding because she said that was the only way it'd be recognized in Turkey.
2008-05-01 08:00 < Sfan00> So Turkey onyl recognises ISlamic Weddings?
2008-05-01 08:00 < Shiroi_Neko> Sfan00 they dont recognise any kind of religious weddings
2008-05-01 08:00 < Sfan00> Shirio_Neko: Perfectly acceptable to have upto 4 wives in Islam is it not?
2008-05-01 08:00 < Mike_H> Sfan00: They only recognize civil weddings
2008-05-01 08:00 < Mike_H> like at a town hall.
2008-05-01 08:00 < Shiroi_Neko> islamic weddings are actualy not allowed
2008-05-01 08:00 < Shiroi_Neko> Sfan00 some say that, it is a grey area
2008-05-01 08:00 < Shiroi_Neko> turkish law bans more than 1 wife
2008-05-01 08:00 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H right
2008-05-01 08:01 < Sfan00> Well most countries have monogmay laws...
2008-05-01 08:01 < Shiroi_Neko> this is to combat islamic tradition I believe.
2008-05-01 08:01 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Well, it fits with Turkey's official line of secularism.
2008-05-01 08:01 < Shiroi_Neko> I mean you cannot really ban islamic weddings if you allow christian church weddings
2008-05-01 08:01 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: My friend
2008-05-01 08:02 < Mike_H> who married the Turkish guy
2008-05-01 08:02 < Shiroi_Neko> in the west churches are gathering places for various activities unrelated to religious issues
2008-05-01 08:02 < Mike_H> she's LDS
2008-05-01 08:02 < Mike_H> and she wanted to know if there was a temple in Turkey
2008-05-01 08:02 < Mike_H> I thought there was one in Istanbul
2008-05-01 08:02 < Mike_H> is there?
2008-05-01 08:02 < Shiroi_Neko> such as weddings or even graduation ceromonies
2008-05-01 08:02 < Shiroi_Neko> LDS?
2008-05-01 08:02 < Mike_H> Mormon
2008-05-01 08:02 < Shiroi_Neko> hmm
2008-05-01 08:02 < Shiroi_Neko> possibly
2008-05-01 08:02 < Shiroi_Neko> there are many churches
2008-05-01 08:02 < Shiroi_Neko> all over the place
2008-05-01 08:03 < Shiroi_Neko> so it is possible I suppose
2008-05-01 08:03 < Mike_H> They're moving to Istanbul next year
2008-05-01 08:03 < Shiroi_Neko> mormonsim isnt exactly popular
2008-05-01 08:03 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H I will prepare a millitary parade to greet them :P
2008-05-01 08:03 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-05-01 08:03 < Mike_H> make sure to uninvite Hayrunnisa
2008-05-01 08:03 < Shiroi_Neko> ah about that
2008-05-01 08:04 < Shiroi_Neko> last week they arrested a child molester
2008-05-01 08:04 < Shiroi_Neko> who was something like 72 years old
2008-05-01 08:04 < Shiroi_Neko> and his wife is 50 years younger than him
2008-05-01 08:04 < Shiroi_Neko> and he is like your ultra-conservative kind
2008-05-01 08:04 < Shiroi_Neko> I found it to be quite hillarious
2008-05-01 08:05 < Mike_H> Hayrunnisa is only 15 years younger than Abdullah though
2008-05-01 08:05 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H officialy no
2008-05-01 08:05 < Shiroi_Neko> unofficialy yes
2008-05-01 08:05 < Mike_H> What do you mean
2008-05-01 08:05 < Mike_H> he was born in 1950
2008-05-01 08:05 < Mike_H> she was born in 1965.
2008-05-01 08:05 < Shiroi_Neko> yes and the marrige was probably not legal
2008-05-01 08:05 < NoPegs> meh, once both parties are over 20 I don't feel age matters...
2008-05-01 08:05 < Shiroi_Neko> until she was old enough
2008-05-01 08:05 < Mike_H> maybe it was back then
2008-05-01 08:05 < Mike_H> weren't they married in like
2008-05-01 08:05 < Mike_H> 1981?
2008-05-01 08:06 < Mike_H> maybe laws were different then
2008-05-01 08:06 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H I dont know, possibly
2008-05-01 08:06 < Shiroi_Neko> in 1982 they drafted a new constitution I believe
2008-05-01 08:06 < Shiroi_Neko> that was in the aftermath of military coup
2008-05-01 08:07 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Well, they don't retroactively invalidate things
2008-05-01 08:07 < Mike_H> like when we moved the drinking age to 21
2008-05-01 08:07 < Mike_H> the people who could drink at 18 could still drink
2008-05-01 08:07 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H legal tradition does not take rights you aquired
2008-05-01 08:08 < Shiroi_Neko> I dont believe there is a legal age for drinking in Europe or US btw
2008-05-01 08:08 < Shiroi_Neko> I have been to a number of german beer fests
2008-05-01 08:08 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: In the US there is. In all 50 states it's 21.
2008-05-01 08:08 < Mike_H> In the territories it's 18.
2008-05-01 08:08 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H legaly yes
2008-05-01 08:08 < Shiroi_Neko> but people drink regardless
2008-05-01 08:08 < ThePolecat> Eighteen for liquor, sixteen for everything else here.
2008-05-01 08:09 * Shiroi_Neko dips ThePolecat into liquor
2008-05-01 08:09 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Oh, and I found another gay love story
2008-05-01 08:09 < Mike_H> on another German soap opera
2008-05-01 08:09 < Mike_H> what is it with the German soap operas and gay love
2008-05-01 08:09 * ThePolecat is flambé
2008-05-01 08:09 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H how can you forget gay love stories in german soap operas
2008-05-01 08:09 < ThePolecat> hm
2008-05-01 08:09 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: let me see what this soap opera was called
2008-05-01 08:10 < Mike_H> Alles was zahlt (All That Matters) is the name of a German daily soap opera broadcasted on RTL since September 4, 2006. It is the third daily soap on that channel after "Gute Zeiten, schlechte Zeiten" and "Unter Uns".
2008-05-01 08:10 < ThePolecat> I'm not aware of it.
2008-05-01 08:10 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: It's about men and women who are aspiring figure skaters
2008-05-01 08:10 < Mike_H> it stars the former figure skater Tanja Szewczenko
2008-05-01 08:10 < ThePolecat> oh, yea.
2008-05-01 08:11 < Mike_H> It's like Fame
2008-05-01 08:11 < Mike_H> except on ice
2008-05-01 08:11 < Mike_H> or something
2008-05-01 08:11 < Shiroi_Neko> gayness on ice
2008-05-01 08:12 < Mike_H> no wonder there's a gay couple on this show
2008-05-01 08:12 < Mike_H> it's about figure skating
2008-05-01 08:12 < Shiroi_Neko> gice?
2008-05-01 08:12 < ThePolecat> Shiroi_Neko: Is there anything else in figure skating?
2008-05-01 08:12 < Shiroi_Neko> ThePolecat yes
2008-05-01 08:12 < Shiroi_Neko> lesbianism
2008-05-01 08:12 < Shiroi_Neko> ;D
2008-05-01 08:12 < ThePolecat> Oh, hah.
2008-05-01 08:12 < Mike_H> Speaking of gay shows, I had trouble believing NONE of the men on The Bold and the Beautiful weren't gay
2008-05-01 08:12 < Mike_H> it's about fashion design for Christ's sake
2008-05-01 08:12 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H they were all probably acting gay
2008-05-01 08:13 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: They were all womanizers!
2008-05-01 08:13 < ThePolecat> gay-for-pay?
2008-05-01 08:13 < Mike_H> And I'm like, you spend your days playing with chiffon!
2008-05-01 08:13 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H thats cute
2008-05-01 08:13 < Shiroi_Neko> pay-gay
2008-05-01 08:13 < Shiroi_Neko> it rhymes
2008-05-01 08:13 < Mike_H> yes, yes it does
2008-05-01 08:14 < ThePolecat> Homosexuals are like so gay.
2008-05-01 08:14 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-05-01 08:14 < Shiroi_Neko> ThePolecat homosexuals arent gay
2008-05-01 08:14 < Shiroi_Neko> gays are homosexual tho
2008-05-01 08:14 * ThePolecat doesn't know whether one currently refers to lesbian women as gay
2008-05-01 08:15 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H you heard abut the austrian?/
2008-05-01 08:15 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: It depends
2008-05-01 08:15 < ThePolecat> NO MORE CP DEBATE
2008-05-01 08:15 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Oh, God, let's not get into that one again. Yesterday it led to a rather...spirited...debate on the death penalty and I'm not speaking to Cyrius
2008-05-01 08:15 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H :/
2008-05-01 08:15 < Lycurgus> last I saw the gernam wp didn't seem to want to talk about ti
2008-05-01 08:15 < Lycurgus> *it/Fritzl/Amstettin
2008-05-01 08:15 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H I want to ask one thing
2008-05-01 08:16 < Shiroi_Neko> so if one pregnates own daugher and daughters daughter what is the child from that called?
2008-05-01 08:16 < Mike_H> incest.
2008-05-01 08:16 < ThePolecat> daughter and granddaughter in personal union?
2008-05-01 08:16 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: It would be his daughter.
2008-05-01 08:16 < Shiroi_Neko> technicaly it is the mans daughter and grand daughter at the same time
2008-05-01 08:17 < Mike_H> A daughter that is also his granddaughter.
2008-05-01 08:17 < ThePolecat> Anyway, next
2008-05-01 08:17 < Mike_H> but legally?
2008-05-01 08:17 < Shiroi_Neko> exactly
2008-05-01 08:17 < Mike_H> legally, it would be counted as his daughter.
2008-05-01 08:17 < Lycurgus> that's easy, your daughter/great grand-daughter.
2008-05-01 08:17 < ThePolecat> Yea, because that is the stronger legal claim
2008-05-01 08:17 < Shiroi_Neko> but what if it is what his daughter owns?
2008-05-01 08:17 < ThePolecat> it's not very useful to be a granddaughter of someone
2008-05-01 08:17 < Lycurgus> owns?
2008-05-01 08:17 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: It's still his daughter, whether he has it with his other daughter or not.
2008-05-01 08:18 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H no what I mean is
2008-05-01 08:18 < Shiroi_Neko> you have Man - daughter - daughter - child
2008-05-01 08:18 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: You know what I've learned?
2008-05-01 08:18 < Mike_H> Austrians are freaky as hell.
2008-05-01 08:18 < ThePolecat> No.
2008-05-01 08:18 < Shiroi_Neko> the mad dies
2008-05-01 08:18 < ThePolecat> "Austrians" have no common quality.
2008-05-01 08:18 < Lycurgus> look out for when the dirt gets out on Ahnold
2008-05-01 08:18 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: hmm, I don't know about that :/
2008-05-01 08:18 < Shiroi_Neko> first daughter makes a living and dies
2008-05-01 08:19 < ThePolecat> there seems to be a fixation on cellars for some.
2008-05-01 08:19 < Shiroi_Neko> and her ownings will be passed to who?
2008-05-01 08:19 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: In this specific case, he had seven children before the cellar business, and then six surviving children with his daughter.
2008-05-01 08:19 < Mike_H> There were not a lack of heirs.
2008-05-01 08:19 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H yes but
2008-05-01 08:20 < Shiroi_Neko> how is the relationship of the first daughter to th daughter-daughters child relate?
2008-05-01 08:20 < ThePolecat> Austrian law is pretty neat about that.
2008-05-01 08:20 < Shiroi_Neko> they have a common father
2008-05-01 08:20 < Lycurgus> as well as 3 children not in the cellar, iirc
2008-05-01 08:20 < ThePolecat> it's not a legal problem
2008-05-01 08:20 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: I don't even think that was his first daughter.
2008-05-01 08:20 < Mike_H> I believe it was his fourth daughter.
2008-05-01 08:20 < Shiroi_Neko> right right
2008-05-01 08:20 < Lycurgus> well at least he was pro-life.
2008-05-01 08:21 < Shiroi_Neko> but I am saying how much of a heir is his daughters(1) - daughters(2) - child?
2008-05-01 08:21 < ThePolecat> Maybe it differentiates between wedlock and non-wedlock though
2008-05-01 08:21 < Shiroi_Neko> to the earnings of daughter(1)
2008-05-01 08:21 < ThePolecat> Shiroi_Neko: Treated as a proper child.
2008-05-01 08:21 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Considering he was a monster who raped his daughter and gave birth to weird bastard children
2008-05-01 08:21 < Mike_H> I think putting them in the will will be the least of their worries.
2008-05-01 08:21 < ThePolecat> You oughtn't to pass judgment on the children.
2008-05-01 08:21 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H for the man yes
2008-05-01 08:21 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Bastard is just the common term here
2008-05-01 08:21 < Mike_H> no judgment
2008-05-01 08:21 < Mike_H> except for "out of wedlock"
2008-05-01 08:22 < ThePolecat> "weird"?
2008-05-01 08:22 < Shiroi_Neko> but for his daugher
2008-05-01 08:22 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Well, it doesn't happen every day.
2008-05-01 08:22 < ThePolecat> Well, but that doesn't make the children weird.
2008-05-01 08:22 < ThePolecat> anyway
2008-05-01 08:22 < Shiroi_Neko> whats his daughers relationship to the other childern?
2008-05-01 08:22 < Mike_H> It makes the acts in which they were conceived weird.
2008-05-01 08:22 < Lycurgus> actually except for the cellar part, it probably does
2008-05-01 08:22 < ThePolecat> Hm...
2008-05-01 08:22 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H so are the children brothers and sisters legaly?
2008-05-01 08:22 < Mike_H> It's not a judgment on them as people
2008-05-01 08:22 < Mike_H> but their situation.
2008-05-01 08:22 < Shiroi_Neko> being a sister of your own mother...
2008-05-01 08:23 < Lycurgus> the incest taboo is not a universal
2008-05-01 08:23 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: What matters is who the mother and father are.
2008-05-01 08:23 < Mike_H> The mother is their sister.
2008-05-01 08:23 < Mike_H> The father is their grandfather.
2008-05-01 08:23 < ThePolecat> The ban on incest goes way back to paleolithic societies.
2008-05-01 08:23 < Mike_H> Well, actually
2008-05-01 08:23 < Mike_H> half-sister.
2008-05-01 08:24 < Mike_H> They don't share the same mother, clearly.
2008-05-01 08:24 < Lycurgus> in ancient egypt for example it was a necessary part of the dynastic tradition becuase the royal line passed thru the females
2008-05-01 08:24 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H well
2008-05-01 08:24 < ThePolecat> oh, there may have been breaks
2008-05-01 08:24 < cimon> In aristocratic families even today, near-incest is rife, just to keep the money in the family...
2008-05-01 08:24 < Shiroi_Neko> one is the mother of the other
2008-05-01 08:25 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: They're not full-blooded siblings, since the woman's mother is not their mother.
2008-05-01 08:26 < Shiroi_Neko> mmm I wonder how many other such people exist in austria
2008-05-01 08:26 < cimon> but do let's discuss the pros and cons of incest...
2008-05-01 08:26 < Lycurgus> and of course Gaius Caesar famously was in love with his sister Drusilla, I believe
2008-05-01 08:26 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: As much as I may make a flippant comment about Austria being all like that
2008-05-01 08:26 < Mike_H> I doubt there are many others.
2008-05-01 08:26 < Mike_H> if any.
2008-05-01 08:26 < Lycurgus> and impregnated her
2008-05-01 08:26 < Mike_H> Austria is a small country.
2008-05-01 08:26 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H there was one other case not too long ago
2008-05-01 08:26 < Shiroi_Neko> Incset reduces the genetic pool increasing the chances of genetic diease
2008-05-01 08:27 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: That case involved a man kidnapping a girl who was not related to him.
2008-05-01 08:27 < Shiroi_Neko> it has no pros whatsoever
2008-05-01 08:27 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H oh
2008-05-01 08:27 < Mike_H> The Natascha Kampusch story?
2008-05-01 08:27 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H and that makes it better? :D
2008-05-01 08:27 < Mike_H> Yeah, she was not related to her abductor.
2008-05-01 08:27 < cimon> Shiroi_Neko: so why do all the aristos do it then?
2008-05-01 08:27 < Shiroi_Neko> cimon because they are closeminded bafoons
2008-05-01 08:27 < Lycurgus> genetically, no, but there is a so-called kin-prefernce attraction mechanism at work, as well as of course the taboo value
2008-05-01 08:27 < Shiroi_Neko> they need to be pruged from space/time
2008-05-01 08:28 < Shiroi_Neko> Lycurgus people love to do what is illegal
2008-05-01 08:28 < Mike_H> The Natascha Kampusch story, as much horror as may have come of it, actually had lots of silver linings
2008-05-01 08:28 < Mike_H> despite being locked in the cellar for eight years, she taught herself vocabulary and culture via the radio
2008-05-01 08:28 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H not much of a sex ed
2008-05-01 08:28 < Mike_H> and she knew a lot more in terms of aptitude than they expected.
2008-05-01 08:29 < cimon> Mike_H: You do realize that the more disgusting details of the police reports and court documents were supressed?
2008-05-01 08:29 < Mike_H> cimon: She's done a lot of interviews though. She doesn't discuss a lot of the abuse but she did give a lot of insight into how life was there.
2008-05-01 08:30 < ThePolecat> "Wie sind Sie Sanftmänner !!"
2008-05-01 08:30 < Mike_H> One interviewer stupidly asked her "were you aware we switched to the euro?"
2008-05-01 08:30 < Mike_H> and she was like "uh, yeah, I had a radio, and he paid me an allowance, despite the fact I couldn't leave to buy anything"
2008-05-01 08:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H well
2008-05-01 08:31 < Mike_H> He paid her an allowance of ten schilling a week, which moved to one euro a week, which she found offensive and hurtful, as it was just another worthless reminder that she couldn't go anywhere.
2008-05-01 08:31 < Shiroi_Neko> she should have a lot of money in 8 years
2008-05-01 08:31 < Mike_H> She left it behind when she escaped.
2008-05-01 08:31 < Lycurgus> and actually of course incest DOES have a built in draw genetically because unlike anything else it guarantees and maximizes your genetic transmission
2008-05-01 08:31 < Shiroi_Neko> 365.25*8 = 2922
2008-05-01 08:31 < Shiroi_Neko> hmm
2008-05-01 08:32 < Shiroi_Neko> about 3000 euroes
2008-05-01 08:32 < Mike_H> She didn't plan her escape that much, from what I gather.
2008-05-01 08:32 < Mike_H> She was vacuuming his car in the garden
2008-05-01 08:32 < Mike_H> he went to take a cell phone call
2008-05-01 08:32 < Mike_H> she left the vacuum on and ran away
2008-05-01 08:32 < Shiroi_Neko> well
2008-05-01 08:32 < Shiroi_Neko> a proper love slave should be chained in the neck :P
2008-05-01 08:33 < Mike_H> She ran about half a kilometer
2008-05-01 08:33 < Mike_H> she kept telling people to call the police
2008-05-01 08:33 < Mike_H> nobody paid her any attention
2008-05-01 08:33 < Mike_H> only after screaming "I am Natascha Kampusch!" did a neighbor finally call the police for her
2008-05-01 08:33 < Shiroi_Neko> I dont think she spoke in english
2008-05-01 08:33 < Mike_H> Shiroi_Neko: Well, whatever it was in German
2008-05-01 08:33 < Mike_H> damn
2008-05-01 08:33 < Shiroi_Neko> dont curse me :P
2008-05-01 08:34 < Mike_H> well, have some sense
2008-05-01 08:34 < Shiroi_Neko> I was kdding dear
2008-05-01 08:34 < Shiroi_Neko> teaasing more like ;)
2008-05-01 08:34 < Mike_H> :P
2008-05-01 08:34 < Shiroi_Neko> :P
2008-05-01 08:34 < Shiroi_Neko> why didnt she call the police?
2008-05-01 08:34 < Mike_H> What phone would she use?
2008-05-01 08:35 < Shiroi_Neko> the man had a phone right?
2008-05-01 08:35 < Mike_H> he was using it.
2008-05-01 08:35 < Shiroi_Neko> oh
2008-05-01 08:35 < Shiroi_Neko> how about earlier
2008-05-01 08:35 < Mike_H> If he found her calling the police, he would have killed her.
2008-05-01 08:35 < Shiroi_Neko> mmm
2008-05-01 08:36 < Shiroi_Neko> so what was the man fined
2008-05-01 08:36 < Shiroi_Neko> I dont recall
2008-05-01 08:36 < Shiroi_Neko> did she get her allowance baack?
2008-05-01 08:36 < Mike_H> The man wasn't fined anything. He killed himself.
2008-05-01 08:37 < Shiroi_Neko> oh
2008-05-01 08:37 < Shiroi_Neko> aww
2008-05-01 08:37 < Shiroi_Neko> isnt that like capital punishment?
2008-05-01 08:37 < Lycurgus> Shiroi_Neko: is this fascinating because it doesn't occur in your country?
2008-05-01 08:38 < Shiroi_Neko> Lycurgus it happens on many countries
2008-05-01 08:38 < Shiroi_Neko> its clearly not exclusive to austria
2008-05-01 08:38 < Shiroi_Neko> this kind of stuff happens more on closed countries and communities
2008-05-01 08:38 < Lycurgus> yes, but people in the east have healthier attitudes about sex (straight sex anyway)
2008-05-01 08:39 < Shiroi_Neko> Lycurgus depends how far east you go
2008-05-01 08:39 < Shiroi_Neko> people get very odd ideas in laos
2008-05-01 08:39 < Shiroi_Neko> where child prostitution is almost legal
2008-05-01 08:39 < Lycurgus> actually was thinking japan
2008-05-01 08:39 < Shiroi_Neko> In japan it is again wierd
2008-05-01 08:39 < Shiroi_Neko> children werent protected until recently
2008-05-01 08:40 < Shiroi_Neko> well
2008-05-01 08:40 < Lycurgus> yeah but stuff like that would tend not happen in japan
2008-05-01 08:40 < Shiroi_Neko> they were protected per adult laws
2008-05-01 08:40 < Shiroi_Neko> Lycurgus right
2008-05-01 08:40 < Shiroi_Neko> law wasnt necesary
2008-05-01 08:40 < Lycurgus> exactly
2008-05-01 08:40 < Shiroi_Neko> child pornography is legal in japan too
2008-05-01 08:40 < Shiroi_Neko> but if it is drawn
2008-05-01 08:40 < Shiroi_Neko> aka Roricon
2008-05-01 08:42 < Lycurgus> just the whole thing of somebody having some horror squirreled away in their dwelling just doesn't translate into japanese society well
2008-05-01 08:43 < Shiroi_Neko> Lycurgus the Japanese have a very strict social set of rules
2008-05-01 08:44 < Shiroi_Neko> despite this they appear to be more liberal on a lot of issues
2008-05-01 08:44 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike_H you are aware of the riots ongoing over here right?
2008-05-01 09:18 < JessicaTaylor> Okies, I'm sleepy now...Night night
2008-05-01 09:20 < Gambit> O_O
2008-05-01 09:23 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-05-01 09:27 < Moro55> o_O
2008-05-01 09:28 < NoPegs> X_x
2008-05-01 09:29 < bumm13> tr555555;[p
2008-05-01 09:33 < Moro55> º_º
2008-05-01 09:33 * Gambit looks at Wile_E_Coyote O_O
2008-05-01 09:33 < Gambit> peep peep !!
2008-05-01 09:42 < Moro55> -_-
2008-05-01 09:43 < NoPegs> V_v
2008-05-01 09:43 < Moro55> ._.
2008-05-01 10:00 < NoPegs> _-_
2008-05-01 10:01 < Working_Cat> MAYDAY!! MAYDAY!!
2008-05-01 10:01 < NoPegs> meh... save it for the 5th...
2008-05-01 10:04 < Working_Cat> but today is mayday :(
2008-05-01 10:07 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat!
2008-05-01 10:16 < NoPegs> crapola... Why don't we have a category for people who died on their birthday...
2008-05-01 10:23 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: you there?
2008-05-01 10:30 < Working_Cat> was just checking the alias
2008-05-01 10:31 < Working_Cat> NoPegs: we could start one. whens your birthday
2008-05-01 10:31 * brown_cat clings onto Working_Cat
2008-05-01 10:31 * Working_Cat pets brown_cat
2008-05-01 10:32 * brown_cat bites Working_Cat's tail
2008-05-01 10:33 * Working_Cat muzzles brown_cat
2008-05-01 10:34 * brown_cat stabs himself to death
2008-05-01 10:34 < Working_Cat> good riddance
2008-05-01 10:34 * brown_cat comes back without a muzzle :)
2008-05-01 10:34 * brown_cat bites Working_Cat's tail
2008-05-01 10:34 * brown_cat runs off
2008-05-01 10:39 < ClaireQuilty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3D/%3D <-- Why is this an image?
2008-05-01 10:41 < Aqwis> it's not?
2008-05-01 10:42 < ClaireQuilty> It is.
2008-05-01 10:42 < ClaireQuilty> http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/2/5/d25646ca8125561964a7c8ca630d9f94.png
2008-05-01 10:42 < Aqwis> hmz
2008-05-01 10:43 < Working_Cat> sofixit?
2008-05-01 10:49 < Working_Cat> ClaireQuilty: its within a math tag
2008-05-01 10:49 < Working_Cat> aww
2008-05-01 10:58 < Working_Cat> slow day huh
2008-05-01 11:11 < Working_Cat> The359: can we kick eds in the nuts for having a defective sarcasm module?
2008-05-01 11:43 * NoPegs wonders if [[Pornography]] has reached its peak yet...
2008-05-01 11:45 < kenlyric> oh come on
2008-05-01 11:45 < kenlyric> "climax" is clearly the superior word.
2008-05-01 11:47 < NoPegs> for [[Coitus]]
2008-05-01 11:47 < NoPegs> :P
2008-05-01 11:50 < Cream> Hello!
2008-05-01 11:50 < Dendodge> hello
2008-05-01 11:50 < NoPegs> Allo!
2008-05-01 11:51 < Cream> I won tickets on a Perez Hilton contest
2008-05-01 11:51 < Cream> lol
2008-05-01 11:51 < NoPegs> Burn them?
2008-05-01 11:51 < Cream> lol nope
2008-05-01 11:52 < NoPegs> E-bay?
2008-05-01 11:52 < Cream> CAn't
2008-05-01 11:52 < Cream> they're at the door
2008-05-01 11:55 < Leslie_S> how unusual is it for men to paint their nails?
2008-05-01 11:56 < Short_Cat> Leslie_S: emo people does
2008-05-01 11:56 < Short_Cat> not me
2008-05-01 11:57 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: VERY.
2008-05-01 11:57 < Short_Cat> altough professional hockey players tend to get feet care and a clear nail paint
2008-05-01 11:58 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: Anyway, why do you ask
2008-05-01 11:59 < Mike_H> Hello?
2008-05-01 12:00 < Short_Cat> hello!
2008-05-01 12:00 < Mike_H> <Leslie_S> how unusual is it for men to paint their nails?
2008-05-01 12:00 < Mike_H> Hi!
2008-05-01 12:00 < Mike_H> I'm talking to you!
2008-05-01 12:01 < Working_Cat> mike, Me?
2008-05-01 12:01 < Mike_H> No, Leslie_S, she was the one who asked the question in the first place. What's the point of asking a question and then not responding back to people who answer?
2008-05-01 12:01 < Working_Cat> idk, i just joined
2008-05-01 12:01 < Short_Cat> heh
2008-05-01 12:02 < Short_Cat> on the computer i'm on
2008-05-01 12:02 < Short_Cat> i have access to the multimedia projector
2008-05-01 12:02 < Short_Cat> lol
2008-05-01 12:02 < Working_Cat> so?
2008-05-01 12:02 < Short_Cat> should i turn it on :P
2008-05-01 12:02 < Demi> for a brief period i painted one nail, a la Penn Jilette
2008-05-01 12:03 < Short_Cat> Demi: are you a girl or a guy
2008-05-01 12:03 < Working_Cat> we used to write device drivers in this dungeon prison, erm, lab which was also a smart class room. so at around 3 in the night, we used to start a movie on the projector
2008-05-01 12:03 < Working_Cat> lol another one falls for the nick :P
2008-05-01 12:04 * Working_Cat creams Cream / Looooooong_Cat / Short_Cat
2008-05-01 12:04 < Cream> in french demi means half
2008-05-01 12:04 < Leslie_S> Mike_H just wondering
2008-05-01 12:04 * Krimpet cuts Cream in half King Solomon style
2008-05-01 12:04 < Working_Cat> Leslie_S: werent you a man once too?
2008-05-01 12:04 < Leslie_S> Mike_H and sowwy, i was busy doing my nails
2008-05-01 12:04 * Cream ressucitates
2008-05-01 12:04 * Cream kicks Krimpet
2008-05-01 12:04 < Leslie_S> Working_Cat i still live as one most of the time
2008-05-01 12:04 < Cream> ./remove Krimpet
2008-05-01 12:05 < Cream> :P
2008-05-01 12:05 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: No, men don't paint their nails.
2008-05-01 12:05 < Working_Cat> Leslie_S: well you should know then!
2008-05-01 12:05 < Mike_H> But that should be common sense, I would think.
2008-05-01 12:05 * Krimpet hides from the sunshine of Cream's love
2008-05-01 12:05 < Leslie_S> Mike_H i had a girl at work suggest i do it
2008-05-01 12:05 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-05-01 12:05 * Cream huggles
2008-05-01 12:05 < Leslie_S> Mike_H anyway, im only using color on my toenails, because im going to the gay club tomorrow as me.
2008-05-01 12:06 < Leslie_S> putting clear coat on my fingers as usual
2008-05-01 12:06 * Working_Cat Whips Cream
2008-05-01 12:06 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: Make sure that the men picking you up actually
2008-05-01 12:06 < Mike_H> 1) are straight
2008-05-01 12:06 < Mike_H> and 2) don't think you're a guy
2008-05-01 12:06 * Cream licks Working_Cat's cherry
2008-05-01 12:06 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: she said gay club
2008-05-01 12:06 < Cream> Mike_H: what about übersexual people
2008-05-01 12:06 < Leslie_S> lol...
2008-05-01 12:06 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: Last time she went to one she thought a guy was picking her up as a female
2008-05-01 12:06 < Mike_H> which, like, it's a gay club
2008-05-01 12:06 < Mike_H> we need to check all our bases.
2008-05-01 12:06 < Leslie_S> not really planning on getting picked up
2008-05-01 12:07 < Cream> put old smelly clothes
2008-05-01 12:07 < Leslie_S> and uh, straight people do go to that club.
2008-05-01 12:07 < Cream> become a guy repellent
2008-05-01 12:07 * Cream invites Leslie_S to Montreal
2008-05-01 12:07 < Leslie_S> and i do pass extremely well
2008-05-01 12:07 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: Oh, honey, fags with their hags are not a straight couple
2008-05-01 12:07 < Working_Cat> >_<
2008-05-01 12:07 < Leslie_S> its true :P
2008-05-01 12:07 < Leslie_S> anyway, bbl.
2008-05-01 12:08 < Working_Cat> i need to trim my nails
2008-05-01 12:08 < Demi> gay men are the only people with the courtesy to pick me up
2008-05-01 12:08 < Mike_H> Demi: hay sweet thang
2008-05-01 12:08 < Working_Cat> before someone starts bleeding
2008-05-01 12:09 < Leslie_S> Mike_H but as long as they can accept me..
2008-05-01 12:18 * LaraLove licks Riana
2008-05-01 12:18 < Riana> rawr baybee
2008-05-01 12:19 < Krimpet> you're scaring away all our chatters! :o
2008-05-01 12:19 < Working_Cat> swear
2008-05-01 12:20 < Riana> nope, he came back for more. :P
2008-05-01 12:21 < LaraLove> hokay, I'm out
2008-05-01 12:21 * Mike_H applauds
2008-05-01 12:21 < Mike_H> it's like dinner theatre
2008-05-01 12:22 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-05-01 12:22 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: what do you do other than watching TV shows?
2008-05-01 12:22 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: I go to message boards and write about TV shows
2008-05-01 12:22 < Working_Cat> :D
2008-05-01 12:23 < Working_Cat> the maggot only comes out at night?
2008-05-01 12:24 < Mike_H> yeh.
2008-05-01 12:24 < Working_Cat> i meant the synergetic one
2008-05-01 12:24 < Working_Cat> k
2008-05-01 12:24 < Working_Cat> i remember waking up at some absurd hour and saying hi and then going back to sleep
2008-05-01 12:38 < NoPegs> /moo.
2008-05-01 12:45 < Working_Cat> yeah, havent seen her in a while
2008-05-01 12:48 < Working_Cat> carlos!
2008-05-01 13:07 < ThePolecat> AAH!
2008-05-01 13:07 < ThePolecat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Radziwonowicz
2008-05-01 13:26 < Working_Cat> Radziwonowicz is Choppin'
2008-05-01 13:27 < Working_Cat> co-incidentally, i was reading about germany and poland when you must have posted that
2008-05-01 13:31 < Demi> AngryParsley wearing the old nick
2008-05-01 13:31 < AngryParsley> yup
2008-05-01 13:35 < Lycurgus> are there well known other recent ones?
2008-05-01 13:39 < AngryParsley> yeah, ggreer
2008-05-01 13:39 < Lycurgus> ah
2008-05-01 13:42 < ThePolecat> It's funny, when you talk to someone who's away on AIM, then immediately set yourself on away, and there's a little lag, the two away messages talk to each other for a bit
2008-05-01 13:42 < uberpenguin> hmm... memristor... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080501-maintaining-moores-law-with-new-memristor-circuits.html
2008-05-01 13:44 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: what?
2008-05-01 13:44 < ThePolecat> nm
2008-05-01 13:45 < Demi> You're away? *I'm* away!
2008-05-01 13:45 < bbot> No, I'm away!
2008-05-01 13:45 < Working_Cat> No, I'm Spartacus
2008-05-01 13:45 < ThePolecat> you just trigger their away message with yours and vice versa
2008-05-01 13:46 < Lycurgus> I'm just inattentive.
2008-05-01 13:46 < Working_Cat> ok so i can only assume that AIM uses some retarded feature where the other person actually gets an IM instead of just a notice
2008-05-01 13:47 * Working_Cat is imagining firing lasers and immediately putting up the mirror shield
2008-05-01 13:47 < Lycurgus> in YIM you can see if the other person is typing
2008-05-01 13:47 < Demi> what's retarded is those IRC clients that send away message
2008-05-01 13:47 < Demi> s
2008-05-01 13:48 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: on gtalk/gmail too
2008-05-01 13:48 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: also on any other decent IM client
2008-05-01 13:48 < Lycurgus> you mean gchat?
2008-05-01 13:48 * Demi is away
2008-05-01 13:48 * Demi is back
2008-05-01 13:48 * Demi is away
2008-05-01 13:48 < Demi> and so forth. ugh.
2008-05-01 13:48 < ThePolecat> "Sir Barney Hayhoe" is an awesome name
2008-05-01 13:48 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: gtalk, yes.
2008-05-01 13:49 < Demi> the english have wonderful names
2008-05-01 13:49 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: sounds like something out of P.G. Wodehouse
2008-05-01 13:49 < Demi> you know what's a good name? "Bertram Pantyshield"
2008-05-01 13:49 < Lycurgus> you mean like "cabbage"?
2008-05-01 13:49 < ThePolecat> Long-time Tory MP for somewhere in West London
2008-05-01 13:49 < ThePolecat> but yea, Wodehousian.
2008-05-01 13:49 < Lycurgus> oder "biff"
2008-05-01 13:50 < Lycurgus> i guess biff is american
2008-05-01 13:51 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: was there some sort of restriction on Germany after the war-II over being able to produce weapons of certain kind and size?
2008-05-01 13:51 < Shiroi_Neko> Working_Cat yes
2008-05-01 13:51 < ThePolecat> Production I dunno
2008-05-01 13:51 < Shiroi_Neko> same goes for japan
2008-05-01 13:51 < Working_Cat> did it end recently?
2008-05-01 13:51 < Shiroi_Neko> both japan and german millitary can only be for defense
2008-05-01 13:51 < Demi> all the german pistols had to be tiny
2008-05-01 13:51 < ThePolecat> but Germany was a weapons production powerhouse during the war
2008-05-01 13:51 < Shiroi_Neko> Working_Cat neither country can have bombers for example
2008-05-01 13:51 < ThePolecat> *cold war
2008-05-01 13:51 < Shiroi_Neko> Working_Cat some restrictions loosened
2008-05-01 13:52 < Working_Cat> hmmm
2008-05-01 13:52 < ThePolecat> Shiroi_Neko: Germany had bombers last time I checked.
2008-05-01 13:52 < ThePolecat> Also during the Cold War
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> it currently does not have bombers
2008-05-01 13:52 < ThePolecat> We bombed Kosovo, for instance.
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> it didnt
2008-05-01 13:52 < Demi> thus producing the toy-like Kleinbulletengeshooterei and others
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> they werent bombers
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> they were jets
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> bomber would be like the b2
2008-05-01 13:52 < Working_Cat> so now we can have the Germans and Japanese both producing super smooth and super efficient weapons respectively?
2008-05-01 13:52 < ThePolecat> Bombers = airplanes from where bombs can be discharged
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> high bayload large aircraft
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> ThePolecat thats not true
2008-05-01 13:52 < Shiroi_Neko> classification is based on payload
2008-05-01 13:53 < ThePolecat> Okay, I'm not going to go into semantics.
2008-05-01 13:53 < Lycurgus> yeah but the luftwaffe serves the nato commander doesn't it?
2008-05-01 13:53 < Shiroi_Neko> german jets can cary a few bombs
2008-05-01 13:53 < Shiroi_Neko> unlike the b-52s and b2s
2008-05-01 13:53 < ThePolecat> the Luftwaffe is under NATO command in NATO missions, obviously.
2008-05-01 13:53 < Shiroi_Neko> the only countries that use bombers are russians, chinese and US
2008-05-01 13:53 < Working_Cat> they still call it Luftwaffe?
2008-05-01 13:53 < Shiroi_Neko> all other counries dont use bombers much
2008-05-01 13:53 < ThePolecat> Well, the Allies wanted West Germany to have nukes in the 1950s
2008-05-01 13:54 < Shiroi_Neko> they are expensive after all
2008-05-01 13:54 < Shiroi_Neko> ThePolecat no they did not
2008-05-01 13:54 < ThePolecat> It's still called the Luftwaffe.
2008-05-01 13:54 < ThePolecat> Shiroi_Neko: You've got to be kidding me.
2008-05-01 13:54 < Shiroi_Neko> they wanted to place nukes there yes
2008-05-01 13:54 < Lycurgus> china really only has as much military as it needs to be barely credible
2008-05-01 13:54 < Shiroi_Neko> but they did not want the control to be in the hands of the locals
2008-05-01 13:54 < ThePolecat> No, German planes were to be equipped with nuclear weapons.
2008-05-01 13:54 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: what?
2008-05-01 13:54 < Lycurgus> and of course control it's people
2008-05-01 13:54 < HolySheepy> Hi
2008-05-01 13:55 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: ah. that requires the huge ass military.