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2008-05-01 00:42 < Lucifer_Cat> oh ok
2008-05-01 00:43 < Lady_Aleena> gwern: Not a big fan of the franchise?
2008-05-01 00:43 < lookatme> I asked if anyone had an old thinkpad they were willing to part with
2008-05-01 00:43 < lookatme> I threw out some offers
2008-05-01 00:43 < Lucifer_Cat> Lady_Aleena: hes just copy pasting
2008-05-01 00:43 < Lucifer_Cat> lookatme: on wikipedia?
2008-05-01 00:43 < gwern> Lady_Aleena: no, I've just never had access to it really
2008-05-01 00:43 < lookatme> no irc
2008-05-01 00:43 < Lucifer_Cat> ok then
2008-05-01 00:43 < Lady_Aleena> Lucifer_Cat: How do you know the gwern is male?
2008-05-01 00:44 < gwern> Lady_Aleena: and I've never bothered to track down all the torrents I'd need to get a good grasp on such an old and ramified franchise
2008-05-01 00:44 < Lucifer_Cat> Lady_Aleena: from the content he usually copy pastes
2008-05-01 00:44 < lookatme> I'm not really a regular around here and didn't know the ops would react so strongly to any commercial activity.
2008-05-01 00:44 < Lady_Aleena> gwern: I had just a basic knowledge of the series, when I picked up watching it at the 9th Doctor. Now I am hooked.
2008-05-01 00:44 < Lucifer_Cat> lookatme: im a regular here, and i wouldnt have guessed either
2008-05-01 00:45 < Lucifer_Cat> are you sure you did not do anything else
2008-05-01 00:45 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-05-01 00:45 < Lady_Aleena> Night FL.
2008-05-01 00:45 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: first sleep without fire?
2008-05-01 00:45 < FastLizard4> Lucifer_Cat: yup
2008-05-01 00:45 < lookatme> Eh, probably made fun of whoever warned me that commercial activity would get me banned
2008-05-01 00:45 < Lucifer_Cat> :)
2008-05-01 00:45 < Lucifer_Cat> lookatme: well
2008-05-01 00:49 < Lady_Aleena> gwern: Here is all you need to know to get into the new series of Doctor Who from the 9th Doctor onward. The Doctor is an nearly immortal time traveller who travels through space and time in a big blue box called a TARDIS which stands for Time And Relative Dimension In Space. He picks up people along the way, mostly females, as travelling companions. (Though the 9th and 10th Doctors have had ...
2008-05-01 00:50 < Lucifer_Cat> ZOMG the doctor is a solicitor :P
2008-05-01 00:50 < Lady_Aleena> ...3 famale and 4 male companions so far.) The Doctor and companion(s) travel and get into and out of danger each and every week.
2008-05-01 00:50 < gwern> Lady_Aleena: I need to know what TARDIS stands for?
2008-05-01 00:50 < lookatme> actually, this java irc is not half bad. you can leave me banned if you want
2008-05-01 00:50 < Fennec_> gwern: no, but it IS bigger on the inside.
2008-05-01 00:51 < Lady_Aleena> gwern: Not really, but now you do, so you are a bit ahead of the game.
2008-05-01 00:51 < Fennec_> He carries a Sonic Screwdriver. He fights evil hate-machines called Daleks occasionally.
2008-05-01 00:54 < Lady_Aleena> Fennec: What else should one know about Doctor Who before trying to dive in somewhere in the middle?
2008-05-01 00:55 < Lady_Aleena> There will be episodes that I will never get to see because they are gone for good. *sighs*
2008-05-01 00:56 < Fennec> he's this Time Lord dude and they're mostly all dead because the Daleks and them blew each other up a long time ago in the future. *shrug*
2008-05-01 00:56 < Lady_Aleena> Oh, when the Doctor dies, he can regenerate into a totally new person.
2008-05-01 00:56 < Fennec> more or less.
2008-05-01 00:57 < Lady_Aleena> New body, newish personality, but retains all of the old memories.
2008-05-01 01:05 < cimon> hi bluefoxicy, long time no cee
2008-05-01 01:11 < cimon> bluefoxicy: are you at keyboard?
2008-05-01 01:12 < mechminx^> I wish they'd dare to have a female companion from the past in Doctor Who - a traditional woman with proper views/values of the time - not anachronistic projection of modern ones
2008-05-01 01:12 < Lady_Aleena> She would never go with the Doctor unescorted.
2008-05-01 01:13 < mechminx^> anachronistic projection in tv and movies is just so insulting to those who endured so much in the past
2008-05-01 01:14 < Fennec> I think old-fashioned girls aren't sonic enough for him.
2008-05-01 01:14 < Lady_Aleena> I just can't wait for the new episodes to air.
2008-05-01 01:15 * Lady_Aleena ponders a sonic screw and giggles.
2008-05-01 01:16 < cimon> I don't think the girls are so much "proper" in the old Dr. Who's as that they sense quite clearly that Dr. Who is gay, and for that reason don't get it on with him.
2008-05-01 01:17 < Lady_Aleena> Well, someone did for him to have a daughter and a granddaughter.
2008-05-01 01:17 < cimon> Look at the Avengers for instance... What was proper about Emma Peel's character?
2008-05-01 01:18 < Lady_Aleena> Was Emma Peel supposed to be proper?
2008-05-01 01:18 < cimon> I mean, the concept of a "period" having proper values.
2008-05-01 01:18 < mechminx^> I'd like to see DW do Russia - either the Romanovs or Stalins Russia
2008-05-01 01:18 < cimon> some people have'em not periods
2008-05-01 01:19 < cimon> mechminx^: pretty sure that has been done.
2008-05-01 01:19 < bluefoxicy> cimon: what
2008-05-01 01:19 < Lady_Aleena> Stalin's Russia was mentioned in an episode.
2008-05-01 01:19 < Fennec> mentioned?
2008-05-01 01:19 < cimon> bluefoxicy: you are a maven on magnetixm, amarite?
2008-05-01 01:20 < mechminx^> "Vanishing police cars? Men in Black? This is Churchiil's England, not Stalin's Russia"\
2008-05-01 01:20 < Lady_Aleena> In The Idiot Box, the Doctor says "This is Churchhill's (?) not Stalin's Russia."
2008-05-01 01:20 < cimon> lol
2008-05-01 01:20 < bluefoxicy> cimon: what the fuck does that mean
2008-05-01 01:20 < Fennec> btw, I didn't like that episode
2008-05-01 01:21 < mechminx^> still i wish DW would do a Russian episode - the Tsar - or maybe Leningrad at the hight of the terror
2008-05-01 01:21 < cimon> bluefoxicy: didn't you used to talk about tesla coils and railguns atn whatnot in channel way back when...
2008-05-01 01:21 < cimon> ?
2008-05-01 01:21 < Lady_Aleena> Fennec: The thing about the episode that was the most important is that the Doctor shows passionate feelings about Rose.
2008-05-01 01:21 < bluefoxicy> cimon: yes but now I'm playing with electron tubes.
2008-05-01 01:22 < cimon> bluefoxicy: well there was this interesting thing where I walked into a library, through the theft prevention gate, while holding a fridge magnet in my hand, and it gave my fingers this buzz... Is that normal?
2008-05-01 01:23 < bluefoxicy> electromagnetic field passing through a ceramic permenant magnet?
2008-05-01 01:23 < cimon> bluefoxicy: I mean, what is the technical reason for it doing that?
2008-05-01 01:24 < bluefoxicy> define buzz
2008-05-01 01:24 < bluefoxicy> electrical shock?
2008-05-01 01:24 < bluefoxicy> vibration?
2008-05-01 01:24 < Fennec> electromagnetic induction of some sort?
2008-05-01 01:24 < cimon> either it vibrated
2008-05-01 01:24 * Lady_Aleena should put her man into bed.
2008-05-01 01:24 < cimon> or it gave a very slight fast pulsing electric charge
2008-05-01 01:24 < cimon> more likely it vibrated
2008-05-01 01:24 < cimon> it felt like vibration
2008-05-01 01:24 < bbot> bluefoxicy: a magnetic field can't pass "through" a magnet
2008-05-01 01:24 < bluefoxicy> yeah probably the electromagnet is using AC current
2008-05-01 01:25 < bbot> unless it is so powerful as to overcome its internal field
2008-05-01 01:25 < bluefoxicy> bbot: across, something. It can't pass through metal either
2008-05-01 01:25 < cimon> though it might have been surface muscles of my fingers vibrating
2008-05-01 01:25 < bluefoxicy> but we say that a magnetic field passing through a coil of metal wire causes an electron flow
2008-05-01 01:25 < bluefoxicy> go figure.
2008-05-01 01:26 < denelson83> cimon: A remote vibrator?
2008-05-01 01:26 < bluefoxicy> anyway the detector probably uses AC across a coil to generate a magnetic field, which generates a repeatedly forming and collapsing field instead of a static field.
2008-05-01 01:26 < cimon> denelson83: Yes, you can imagine I am thinking of going in with a larger magnet in my trouser pockets later...
2008-05-01 01:27 * denelson83 snarfs
2008-05-01 01:27 < denelson83> LOL!
2008-05-01 01:27 < bluefoxicy> which when influencing a magnet might cause it to try to flip repeatedly
2008-05-01 01:27 < bluefoxicy> (like, the north side is pointing to magnetic north on the electromagnet, so it repels; then it switches, so it stops trying to flip over)
2008-05-01 01:27 < cimon> denelson83: or rather, tricking a female friend to do that...
2008-05-01 01:27 < bluefoxicy> just a guess.
2008-05-01 01:28 * bumm13 wonders what sort of conversation he has walked in on
2008-05-01 01:28 < Leslie_S> http://ripoffreport.com/reports/0/103/RipOff0103799.htm
2008-05-01 01:29 < Leslie_S> who the fuck commits a felony, almost gets killed running from the cops, and then posts a huge long bitchfit about it on ripoffreports.com, claiming that the cop was shooting at them for no reason when they werent doing anything, and even vaguely admitting that they were committing a crime?
2008-05-01 01:29 * denelson83 is listening to "The Kid Is Hot Tonight" by Loverboy (4:27 - 160kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-01 01:29 < cimon> bluefoxicy: does it matter that the magnet is one of those wheel shaped ones, rather than a disc?
2008-05-01 01:29 < bluefoxicy> cimon: what, a hole in the middle? I don't know.
2008-05-01 01:29 * bumm13 NP: Black Sabbath - The Wizard (1970)
2008-05-01 01:29 < cimon> bluefoxicy: yes
2008-05-01 01:29 < Leslie_S> and read the comments too. i absolutely love the one where someone posted the newspaper article about the incident, proving that the original poster was a felon...
2008-05-01 01:29 < bluefoxicy> doesn't seem important to me.
2008-05-01 01:30 < bluefoxicy> cimon: try with a slab of neodynium boride ;p
2008-05-01 01:30 < bluefoxicy> I can fully charge a chunk of raw alnico in like 20 seconds with that, and it holds maximum magnetic charge for the lifetime of a permanent alnico magnet @_@
2008-05-01 01:30 < cimon> bluefoxicy: I'll try one from an old loudspeaker I have, which had plenty of oomph.
2008-05-01 01:30 < bluefoxicy> loudspeaker is probably alnico
2008-05-01 01:31 * denelson83 is listening to "Michael Jackson - Beat It" (4:19 - 128kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-05-01 01:31 < cimon> some shiny metal with a ferrite looking material as a four inch diameter ring around it.
2008-05-01 01:32 < bluefoxicy> yep
2008-05-01 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> hehe, since his $100 witchhunt against the Clinton administration, you know what Ken Starr has been up to?
2008-05-01 01:32 < Leslie_S> cimon the poles can be oriented in any direction with any shaped magnet, but disc magnets are usually north on one face and south on the other face, and horse shoe magnets are always north/south side/side
2008-05-01 01:32 < bluefoxicy> $100 lol
2008-05-01 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> erm, $100 million
2008-05-01 01:33 < Leslie_S> cimon and the wheel magnet could be either way.
2008-05-01 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, since his witchhunt, he represented the schoolboard in Morse v. Frederick (and won, curtailing the free speech of students), he will challenge sarbannes-oxlley (the legislation designed to prevent enronomics)
2008-05-01 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> and he's represnting the blackwater mercenaries
2008-05-01 01:34 < cimon> Leslie_S: the wheel magnet resists rotation from certain orientations.
2008-05-01 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> is there any sleazy, evil group or position he won't represent?
2008-05-01 01:34 < cimon> with respect to another magner
2008-05-01 01:34 < denelson83> magner?
2008-05-01 01:34 < cimon> *magnet
2008-05-01 01:34 < bluefoxicy> Morse v. Frederick, 127 S. Ct. 2618 (2007), was a First Amendment student free speech case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that a school principal may, consistent with the First Amendment, restrict student speech at a school-supervised event when that speech is reasonably viewed as promoting illegal drug use.
2008-05-01 01:35 < bluefoxicy> ... and this is bad because?
2008-05-01 01:35 < cimon> Which is bad, restricting free speech, or speaking about drug use?
2008-05-01 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> bluefoxicy - because it wasn't a school event
2008-05-01 01:35 < denelson83> s/bad/worse/
2008-05-01 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> the student was punished by the school for speech outside of school
2008-05-01 01:36 < bluefoxicy> Ceiling_Cat: then the ruling was inconsistent with the case?
2008-05-01 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> bluefoxicy - the ruling was inconsist with the concept of freedom of speech
2008-05-01 01:36 < bluefoxicy> also a school event is one sponsored by or supervised by the school
2008-05-01 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> inconsistent*
2008-05-01 01:36 < Ral315> Was that one the "BONG HITS 4 JESUS" case?
2008-05-01 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral - yes
2008-05-01 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> bluefoxicy - the olympic torch running was not a school sponsored or supervised event
2008-05-01 01:37 * denelson83 hits Ral315's bong
2008-05-01 01:37 < bluefoxicy> oh ok
2008-05-01 01:37 < Ral315> That's dangerous precedent, imo.
2008-05-01 01:37 < bluefoxicy> so what was the principle's problem
2008-05-01 01:37 < bluefoxicy> were they there on a field trip?
2008-05-01 01:37 < Ral315> Inciting violence, or intimidation are one thing.
2008-05-01 01:37 < Leslie_S> cimon its magnetized sideways compared to a disc magnet. sounds like an awesome magnet.
2008-05-01 01:37 < cimon> Well it is true that Jesus promoted intoxicant use not permitted by law.
2008-05-01 01:37 < Ceiling_Cat> bluefoxicy - they were let out of school early to watch it
2008-05-01 01:38 < bluefoxicy> Ral315: and encouraging the blatant disregard for the law is...?
2008-05-01 01:38 < Ral315> bluefoxicy, fine, as far as I'm concerned.
2008-05-01 01:38 < bluefoxicy> Ceiling_Cat: oh ok, yeah that's stupid.
2008-05-01 01:38 < Ceiling_Cat> ....is not against the law
2008-05-01 01:38 < bluefoxicy> doesn't apply
2008-05-01 01:38 < bluefoxicy> Ceiling_Cat: well, once somebody actually breaks the law you're charged with conspiracy to commit a felony....
2008-05-01 01:39 < bluefoxicy> actually, if someone is caught with intent to break the law, you're charged with conspiracy
2008-05-01 01:39 < Ceiling_Cat> so I reiteriate my earlier point - Ken Starr is scum. He's everything that's wrong with this country
2008-05-01 01:39 < bluefoxicy> i don't suppose corruption of your peers falls under corruption of a minor though.
2008-05-01 01:39 < bluefoxicy> (also highly illegal)
2008-05-01 01:39 < bluefoxicy> ken starr is a lawyer, of course he's a crackhead.
2008-05-01 01:40 < bluefoxicy> look at jack thompson too.
2008-05-01 01:40 < bluefoxicy> or john edwards.
2008-05-01 01:40 < denelson83> The first two are Republicans
2008-05-01 01:40 < bluefoxicy> edwards' track record is junk science "19 years ago when my kid was born you gave him ADD by delivering him wrong" malpractice suits.
2008-05-01 01:40 < bumm13> the Clintons, of course, epitomize good old-fashioned American values ;)
2008-05-01 01:41 < denelson83> Yeah, like fucking poor people in their asses
2008-05-01 01:41 < Warpath> yeah Raul654 is a scum too
2008-05-01 01:41 < Warpath> :p
2008-05-01 01:42 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - how many people in the clinton administration were convicted of wrong-doing?
2008-05-01 01:42 < denelson83> Yes, Republicans like to rob from the poor and give to the rich
2008-05-01 01:42 < Warpath> the man himself :P
2008-05-01 01:42 < Ceiling_Cat> (note that more money was spent prosecuting/persecuting them than on any other administration ever)
2008-05-01 01:42 < denelson83> They also like to kill poor people and make rich people immortal
2008-05-01 01:42 < Ceiling_Cat> answer: 1
2008-05-01 01:42 < JessicaTaylor> Hi everyone
2008-05-01 01:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Bush Sr. had 29 members of his administration convicted
2008-05-01 01:43 < Ceiling_Cat> oh yea, and Bush Sr. pardoned Capser Weinberger
2008-05-01 01:43 < denelson83> Yes, a man who is too rich is known as "cash trash"
2008-05-01 01:43 < Ceiling_Cat> (for which he will rot in hell)
2008-05-01 01:43 < bluefoxicy> Ceiling_Cat: as I understand it, the torch was being passed across the street from the school, and the school let the kids out of class and allowed them to watch the event
2008-05-01 01:44 < bluefoxicy> but the school continued to supervise the event
2008-05-01 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> bluefoxicy - right. Not a school event
2008-05-01 01:44 < denelson83> What torch?
2008-05-01 01:44 < bluefoxicy> it's as much 'not a school event' as taking a field trip to a baseball stadium
2008-05-01 01:44 < bluefoxicy> the school expected the students to actually be there as a matter of attendance; the school day wasn't over early
2008-05-01 01:45 < bluefoxicy> therefor the students were still under direct control and direction of the school
2008-05-01 01:45 < denelson83> ie slaves
2008-05-01 01:45 < bluefoxicy> basically yeah.
2008-05-01 01:45 < bluefoxicy> Point is, until you're allowed to go home, you're at a school supervised event
2008-05-01 01:46 < Ceiling_Cat> bluefoxicy - they are students, not prisoners
2008-05-01 01:46 < bluefoxicy> Ceiling_Cat: have you ever tried to leave a high school?
2008-05-01 01:46 < bluefoxicy> it's not easy.
2008-05-01 01:46 < Ceiling_Cat> the school can limit student behavior as far as it disrupts the learning environment
2008-05-01 01:46 < Ceiling_Cat> that students behavior does not even come close
2008-05-01 01:46 < bluefoxicy> I had to compromise security to escape last time.
2008-05-01 01:47 < bluefoxicy> but i knew where all the surveillance cameras were, so I could move around the school freely undetected anyway.
2008-05-01 01:47 < Ceiling_Cat> bluefoxicy - my brother set a school record - he cut over 80 days his senior year
2008-05-01 01:47 < Ceiling_Cat> so yea ;)
2008-05-01 01:47 < denelson83> fugitive from education?
2008-05-01 01:47 < bluefoxicy> denelson83: I'm a college drop-out
2008-05-01 01:47 < Warpath> Jamie Lynn Spears Is Expecting A Girl :O
2008-05-01 01:47 < Warpath> another poor spears bites the dust :P
2008-05-01 01:47 < bluefoxicy> I learned more outside school than in it by far, so I was ahead until I diluted my college cirriculum and fucked that up.
2008-05-01 01:47 < bluefoxicy> :(
2008-05-01 01:47 < Ceiling_Cat> JUST WAIT UNTIL HANNAH MONTANA HAS A BUN IN ZE OVEN!
2008-05-01 01:47 < bluefoxicy> now I have no future.
2008-05-01 01:48 < denelson83> You weren't talking about college -> [22:46:20] <bluefoxicy> Ceiling_Cat: have you ever tried to leave a high school?
2008-05-01 01:48 < bumm13> Warpath: old news
2008-05-01 01:48 < bluefoxicy> <denelson83> fugitive from education?
2008-05-01 01:48 < Warpath> hush
2008-05-01 01:48 < JessicaTaylor> Ceiling_Cat: Ugh Miley Cyrus...
2008-05-01 01:48 < bluefoxicy> I am fairly uneducated, unfortunately :(
2008-05-01 01:48 < denelson83> Miley Cyrus is pregnant with an alien from Melmac
2008-05-01 01:48 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-01 01:48 < JessicaTaylor> Ceiling_Cat: The next Britney Spears/Paris Hilton hybrid
2008-05-01 01:49 < Warpath> ahh i meant the baby girl bumm13 :P
2008-05-01 01:49 < Warpath> thats the new spears :P
2008-05-01 01:49 < Warpath> if it was a boy, he might have survived :p
2008-05-01 01:49 < Ceiling_Cat> JessicaTaylor - yup. Did you see the South Park episode they mentioned her in?
2008-05-01 01:49 < bumm13> Warpath: actually, I wouldn't say that
2008-05-01 01:49 < JessicaTaylor> Ceiling_Cat: No...what did they say?
2008-05-01 01:49 < bumm13> she seems a bit closer to reality than her older sister
2008-05-01 01:49 < Warpath> bumm13, and the reality began when she got preggers at 16 :P
2008-05-01 01:49 < bumm13> well, it happens
2008-05-01 01:49 < Ceiling_Cat> JessicaTaylor - the south park episode I'm thinking of was this one -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney%27s_New_Look
2008-05-01 01:50 < Ceiling_Cat> it's a spoof of The Lottery (the short story) - Britney is hounded to death by papparazzi so the town will have a good harvest. At the end, they see Hannah Montanna on TV, and realize that next year's harvest will be even better
2008-05-01 01:50 < JessicaTaylor> lol
2008-05-01 01:50 < bluefoxicy> wtf girl on teh internet
2008-05-01 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> but yea, that girl is being set up for a long fall
2008-05-01 01:51 < denelson83> Rearrange the letters in "Jamie Lynn Spears" and you get "pinless mary-jane"
2008-05-01 01:51 < bumm13> let's not forget whose daughter she is ;p
2008-05-01 01:52 < swam> hah denelson. who figures that stuff out
2008-05-01 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm sure people are already taking odds on how her premature death will occur - heroin overdose, plane crash, drinks herself to death, etc
2008-05-01 01:52 < swam> thats what i want to know
2008-05-01 01:52 < JessicaTaylor> bluefoxicy: hello
2008-05-01 01:52 < swam> maybe she'll have six beautiful children who will grow up to go to ivy league schools and resurrect the good family name
2008-05-01 01:52 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-01 01:53 < bumm13> none existed to begin with :P
2008-05-01 01:53 < bluefoxicy> Jessica hi
2008-05-01 01:53 < swam> yeah wow why didn't anyone ever tell me the spears were from lousiana
2008-05-01 01:53 < bluefoxicy> girls on the internet are better than girls in real life <_<
2008-05-01 01:53 < swam> NGOTI
2008-05-01 01:53 < bumm13> and near Mississippi
2008-05-01 01:53 < swam> no girls on the internet
2008-05-01 01:53 < JessicaTaylor> bluefoxicy: err okay.
2008-05-01 01:53 < bumm13> (that particular area)
2008-05-01 01:53 < bluefoxicy> they don't keep trying to sleep with me ~_~
2008-05-01 01:54 < JessicaTaylor> I can see why
2008-05-01 01:54 < bluefoxicy> YOU REMIND ME OF THE STRIFE IN MY LIFE I am going to go cry in a corner now.
2008-05-01 01:54 < bumm13> Disney's new pop harlot strategy - trashy Southern girls :p
2008-05-01 01:54 < Ceiling_Cat> swam - I'm going to Lousiana in a month
2008-05-01 01:54 < swam> arghh I need a job. any wikipedians with hot tech internships (obscenely well paid ones) to give out in the chicago area?
2008-05-01 01:55 < bumm13> "I went to Lou-zi-zanna....to meet a mojo man"
2008-05-01 01:55 < swam> visiting the house of the rising sun?
2008-05-01 01:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Bumm - reference lost on audience
2008-05-01 01:55 < bumm13> *find myself
2008-05-01 01:55 < bumm13> it's a blues tune
2008-05-01 01:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Swam - staying at LSU to work a hot tech internship for Thomas Sterling
2008-05-01 01:55 < bluefoxicy> bumm13: a tung-sol 6V6?
2008-05-01 01:55 < bumm13> (by Muddy Waters)
2008-05-01 01:56 < denelson83> Rearrange the letters in "Miley Cyrus of Hannah Montana" and you get "Humanly fornicates Moynahan"
2008-05-01 01:56 < Ceiling_Cat> he will teach me his beowulf skillz
2008-05-01 01:56 < bumm13> you'll probably thank some deity for not being *from* Louisiana
2008-05-01 01:56 < denelson83> As in Bridget Moynahan
2008-05-01 01:56 < bumm13> adverbing weirds language!
2008-05-01 01:56 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - I thank god every day not to be from the south
2008-05-01 01:56 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-05-01 01:56 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-01 01:57 < bumm13> it'll be an experience, for sure
2008-05-01 01:57 < Ceiling_Cat> (although, for reasons that defy all logical explanation, the US census bureau classified delaware as being in the south)
2008-05-01 01:57 < Ceiling_Cat> (still does, actually)
2008-05-01 01:57 < bumm13> that was more true (culturally) about 100 years ago
2008-05-01 01:58 < bumm13> it's a Northeast state
2008-05-01 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> It was a union state
2008-05-01 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> (but yes, it had slaves)
2008-05-01 01:58 < bumm13> (Mid-Atlantic)
2008-05-01 01:58 < cimon> swam: the article on that song is quite fascinating. Apparently there is an amazing amount of speculation about if there really was a house called that...
2008-05-01 01:58 < bumm13> yeah, one of the two weird ones ;)
2008-05-01 01:58 < swam> Ceiling Cat - Nice. Don't know who he is, but it sure sounds prestigious.
2008-05-01 01:58 < denelson83> bumm13: Pennsylvania?
2008-05-01 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> swam - he invented beowulf clustering
2008-05-01 01:58 < bumm13> PA wasn't a slave state that I recall
2008-05-01 01:58 < bumm13> Kentucky
2008-05-01 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> PA was not a slave state
2008-05-01 01:58 < swam> How'd you wrangle that?
2008-05-01 01:59 < bumm13> Union but slave state
2008-05-01 01:59 < Ceiling_Cat> Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Tennessee
2008-05-01 01:59 < denelson83> oh
2008-05-01 01:59 < Ceiling_Cat> See [[Border States]]
2008-05-01 01:59 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Border states (Civil War)]]
2008-05-01 02:00 < bumm13> Tennessee was full-out Confederate
2008-05-01 02:00 < bumm13> Missouri had slavery
2008-05-01 02:00 < swam> Cimon - My brother claims to have spent a weekend there (and an eternity, allegedly).
2008-05-01 02:00 < Ceiling_Cat> this year, Trashionals was at U. Tennessee in Chatanoogah
2008-05-01 02:00 < swam> I would assume there is.
2008-05-01 02:00 < bumm13> hmm, UTC
2008-05-01 02:00 < Ceiling_Cat> the team name we were going to use was 'The War of Northern Aggression"
2008-05-01 02:00 < cimon> swam: One speculation was that it was a womens penitentiary, another that it was a hospital the hookers went to for venereal diseases, and there are at least two hotels that claim the title, one of them an archaeological site.
2008-05-01 02:01 < denelson83> bumm13: 06:00
2008-05-01 02:01 < Ceiling_Cat> but we thought the alumni assocation might think twice about sponsoring a team by that name
2008-05-01 02:01 < bumm13> heh
2008-05-01 02:01 < Ceiling_Cat> : )
2008-05-01 02:01 < bumm13> denelson83 - ?
2008-05-01 02:01 < denelson83> [23:00:47] <bumm13> hmm, UTC
2008-05-01 02:01 < bumm13> not that UTC :P
2008-05-01 02:01 < denelson83> lol
2008-05-01 02:01 < bumm13> a silly university in east Tennessee
2008-05-01 02:01 < swam> I talked to a chap this evening who said that the prostitutes with which he is in correspondence are as clean or cleaner than your average college co-ed.
2008-05-01 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Flcelloguy
2008-05-01 02:02 < swam> I have been wondering ever since.
2008-05-01 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> :(
2008-05-01 02:02 < denelson83> oh, as in "undo that crap"
2008-05-01 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Flcelloguy has been MIA for a year now
2008-05-01 02:02 < bumm13> d'oh
2008-05-01 02:02 * bumm13 should watch more old cartoons
2008-05-01 02:03 < swam> He brought up the comparison to a driver's ed instructor. As in, would you expect a driver's ed instructor to get in a lot of fender benders simply because he drive a lot.
2008-05-01 02:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Dysprosia has also left us
2008-05-01 02:03 * Ceiling_Cat sighs
2008-05-01 02:03 < bumm13> she did -_-
2008-05-01 02:03 < swam> He said that sex is their business and STD's are bad for business.
2008-05-01 02:03 < Ceiling_Cat> looking at the missing wikipedians list depresses me
2008-05-01 02:03 < Ceiling_Cat> I remember all those people
2008-05-01 02:03 < swam> WP is a website, like any other.
2008-05-01 02:04 < swam> who is dircbot
2008-05-01 02:04 < swam> a bot?
2008-05-01 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> I look over the list, I see names I recognize, people who were my friends
2008-05-01 02:04 < bumm13> it's a "what" :)
2008-05-01 02:04 < bumm13> and yes, it is a bot
2008-05-01 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> and I realize they have been absent for 1, 2, 3, maybe 4 years sometimes
2008-05-01 02:04 < bumm13> it removes old bans
2008-05-01 02:04 < swam> Well if they left without a word, are they really your friends?
2008-05-01 02:04 < bumm13> otherwise the banlist would be huge
2008-05-01 02:04 < bumm13> (like it used to get)
2008-05-01 02:04 < swam> I can imagine.
2008-05-01 02:05 < swam> Although I can't think of any good reasons for purging a ban list.
2008-05-01 02:05 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: Isn't dysprosia one of those who like sannse, migrated to Wikia?
2008-05-01 02:05 < swam> People get banned for reasons.
2008-05-01 02:05 < bumm13> swam: (example) Dysprosia is a cool person, she used to come into IRC a long time ago
2008-05-01 02:05 < denelson83> swam: So you can fill it up again
2008-05-01 02:05 < bumm13> cimon: if she did, I'm not aware of it
2008-05-01 02:05 < Ceiling_Cat> [[User:168...]] <--- I am still pissed about this one
2008-05-01 02:05 < swam> Hah.
2008-05-01 02:05 < Ceiling_Cat> He left because of Lir
2008-05-01 02:05 < swam> Good enough.
2008-05-01 02:05 < denelson83> ;)
2008-05-01 02:05 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: not accurate, he left because he and Mav got into an argument.
2008-05-01 02:06 < swam> I heard linuxbeak was leaving for good, truth?
2008-05-01 02:06 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - ....stemming from the issues caused on the DNA article by Lir
2008-05-01 02:06 < cimon> The subject of the argument might have been Lir, but I doubt it.
2008-05-01 02:06 < cimon> hmm
2008-05-01 02:06 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: but on whose side was 168?
2008-05-01 02:07 < denelson83> Isn't it strange that the letters in the word "oven" spell out the Italian word for "nine", yet if you translate oven into French, you get "four"
2008-05-01 02:07 < swam> When language surprises, it should be no surprise.
2008-05-01 02:08 < swam> Wild stuff.
2008-05-01 02:08 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: I seem to remember 168 thought that people were being too anal retentive on the site, specifically about dealing with people like Lir.
2008-05-01 02:08 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - how right he was
2008-05-01 02:08 < Ceiling_Cat> He was too many years ahead of his time
2008-05-01 02:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Lir was allowed to fester for far too long
2008-05-01 02:09 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: are you being intentionally obtuse?
2008-05-01 02:10 < cimon> I though 168 defended lir.
2008-05-01 02:10 < Ceiling_Cat> you remember incorrectly
2008-05-01 02:10 < swam> Are these ex-admins?
2008-05-01 02:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Lir drove 168 batty
2008-05-01 02:10 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: I have to ask Mav.
2008-05-01 02:10 < cimon> Mav would know.
2008-05-01 02:10 < Leslie_S> night
2008-05-01 02:11 < cimon> Being as he was the second party to the argument.
2008-05-01 02:11 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - Mav might have been the final straw, but Lir was entirely responsible for the events leading up to the final argument
2008-05-01 02:11 < cimon> You shift your position.
2008-05-01 02:11 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - the final argument was over some arcane detail about the DNA article
2008-05-01 02:11 < cimon> hmm.
2008-05-01 02:11 < Ceiling_Cat> the reason they were arguing about the DNA article was that Lir had started the argument with provactive edits there
2008-05-01 02:12 < cimon> you may think you are correct.
2008-05-01 02:12 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - I don't forget Lir's trolling
2008-05-01 02:12 < Ceiling_Cat> all other things I do aside, my job on wikipedia is to act as institutional memory where our dealings with trolls are concerned
2008-05-01 02:12 < swam> Wait, I am a trolling historian. For the books, what trolling.
2008-05-01 02:13 < swam> Oh, I guess my job is already filled then.
2008-05-01 02:13 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: right, so you had better be accurate.
2008-05-01 02:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Lir made provactive edits on teh DNA and Krebs cycle articles
2008-05-01 02:13 < Ceiling_Cat> that's where his conflict with 168 arose
2008-05-01 02:13 < Ceiling_Cat> (also note that Lir later he came back and impersonated 168)
2008-05-01 02:13 < swam> proactive or provocative
2008-05-01 02:14 < Ceiling_Cat> For you yougins, this was in the days before checkuser
2008-05-01 02:14 < Ceiling_Cat> when you had to go and beg a developer to do a check
2008-05-01 02:14 < cimon> Or bluster and try to browbeat them into doing one ;-)
2008-05-01 02:15 < swam> Or just take your best guess and bring out the banhammer.
2008-05-01 02:15 < Ceiling_Cat> no, swam, no
2008-05-01 02:15 < denelson83> I found an intoxicated tree the other day
2008-05-01 02:15 < Ceiling_Cat> that's not how it worked in the old days
2008-05-01 02:15 < Ceiling_Cat> admins were not allowed to use judgement and discretion. All bans had to come from the arbcom
2008-05-01 02:15 < swam> Ah the dark ages.
2008-05-01 02:15 < Ceiling_Cat> any admin who didn't was acting 'unilaterally' and should be desysoped
2008-05-01 02:15 < swam> Ha, what were there 80 people on the wiki.
2008-05-01 02:16 < denelson83> Apparently it had too much root beer
2008-05-01 02:16 < Ceiling_Cat> swam - there were about that many admins, yes
2008-05-01 02:16 * Ceiling_Cat was one of them
2008-05-01 02:16 < Ceiling_Cat> actually, there might have been upwards of 120 or so by this time
2008-05-01 02:16 < swam> Has the admin/editor ratio stayed about the same over the years?
2008-05-01 02:17 < swam> Well, maybe a logarithmic ratio, but a ratio nonetheless.
2008-05-01 02:17 < Ceiling_Cat> not sure - never really paid attention to how many contributors we have
2008-05-01 02:17 < Ceiling_Cat> it's too large to subjectively tell
2008-05-01 02:20 < swam> Do you know how many unique contributors you have now?
2008-05-01 02:21 < Ceiling_Cat> http://wikisupport.martinkozak.net/~martinkozak/statistics/?family=wikipedias&project=en&subject=users&scanback=90
2008-05-01 02:21 < swam> Ah very nice, thank you.
2008-05-01 02:22 < Ceiling_Cat> we get roughly 7000 new registrations per day
2008-05-01 02:22 < swam> How does it fluctuate so much and so consistently.
2008-05-01 02:22 < swam> Well, I guess it's a zoom-in.
2008-05-01 02:23 < Krimpet> not OVER NINE THOUSAND? :/
2008-05-01 02:23 < swam> WIkipedia needs to start taking demographics.
2008-05-01 02:23 < swam> Are there any?
2008-05-01 02:23 * Krimpet hopes we cross that threshold soon.
2008-05-01 02:23 < denelson83> Oh, like the Wiksen ratings
2008-05-01 02:23 < swam> Any surveys of wikipedians.
2008-05-01 02:23 * Ceiling_Cat hops off the ceiling, crosses Krimpet's threshold
2008-05-01 02:23 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Krimpet
2008-05-01 02:24 * Krimpet is wearing a vest of sharp spikes under her jacket, unknownst to Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-01 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> But a talking cat is something special: http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/talkingcat.shtml
2008-05-01 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> they needz to be huggled
2008-05-01 02:27 < swam> A talking cat is nothing special. Cats are devoid of personality and I'm tired of hearing about them.
2008-05-01 02:32 < cimon> Mark Pellegrini: Have you tried e-mailing the oldies, btw, asking how they feel about wikipedia, these days?
2008-05-01 02:33 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight folks!
2008-05-01 02:33 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - no
2008-05-01 02:33 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight :)
2008-05-01 02:38 < Lycurgus> oh so "Raul" is Ceiling_Cat
2008-05-01 02:46 < swam> Wow Rc patrolling is a lot easier when I just set my bot to revert all recent changes. IMOP the encyclopedia is fine how it is.
2008-05-01 02:46 < bumm13> uh huh
2008-05-01 02:52 < swam> anyone have a wikitask for me? or wikiquest or wikimission?
2008-05-01 02:52 < swam> my time is worthless and my efforts are inexhaustable
2008-05-01 02:52 * Lady_Aleena ponders.
2008-05-01 03:07 < ijustam> swam: write a bot that'll convert blank external links to ref tags in appropriate places.
2008-05-01 03:07 < ijustam> i hate seeing "X did Y.[1]" and then scroll to the bottom and see "Y accepted Q[195]"
2008-05-01 03:08 < ijustam> and realize that none of them are proper refs
2008-05-01 03:20 * Mike_H NP: Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love (2007)
2008-05-01 03:21 < bumm13> Mike!
2008-05-01 03:24 * SynergeticMag hides
2008-05-01 03:24 < Mike_H> bumm13: :O
2008-05-01 03:24 * Lady_Aleena seeks.
2008-05-01 03:24 < patbam> hi... is a photo of an old painting (1800s) considered public domain? http://www.blairhouse.org/s_objects/pnt_blairelee.html
2008-05-01 03:25 < Mike_H> patbam: Isn't the Blair House owned by the federal government?
2008-05-01 03:25 < SynMag> SynMag hides
2008-05-01 03:25 < SynMag> ack
2008-05-01 03:25 < Mike_H> Wouldn't it be public domain automatically?
2008-05-01 03:25 < Lady_Aleena> I see you...*giggle*
2008-05-01 03:25 < SynMag> ;p
2008-05-01 03:25 < patbam> Mike_H: i believe it is
2008-05-01 03:25 < SynMag> it won't work, i can't have a nick with the word hide in it
2008-05-01 03:25 < SynMag> lame
2008-05-01 03:26 < patbam> official state guest house for the president
2008-05-01 03:27 < SynergeticMag> is anyone else kinda pissed that the server wont allow you create new pages?
2008-05-01 03:27 < Lady_Aleena> No new pages? Really?
2008-05-01 03:27 < SynergeticMag> i tried to warn a vandal and it told me to take it to WP:AN
2008-05-01 03:28 < SynergeticMag> i went to AN and there was a list of similar ....
2008-05-01 03:28 < SynergeticMag> brb
2008-05-01 03:29 < SynergeticMag> complaints
2008-05-01 03:29 < SynergeticMag> eh
2008-05-01 03:30 * SynergeticMag is seriously thinking about having his username deleted
2008-05-01 03:32 < Lady_Aleena> Um, why?
2008-05-01 03:33 < swam> how does warning vandals do anything but encourage them
2008-05-01 03:33 < bumm13> hiya AdamBishop
2008-05-01 03:33 < AdamBishop> hey
2008-05-01 03:34 * bumm13 NP: Rolling Stones - Get Off of My Cloud (1965)
2008-05-01 03:35 < cimon> AdamBishop: does "vivessimus" mean something in latin?
2008-05-01 03:35 < AdamBishop> no but vixissemus does
2008-05-01 03:35 < cimon> or "vivemus"
2008-05-01 03:36 < AdamBishop> vivemus means we will live
2008-05-01 03:36 < cimon> okay
2008-05-01 03:36 < SynergeticMag> why? because i'm getting sick thats why ;)
2008-05-01 03:37 < SynergeticMag> i may just delete and start over
2008-05-01 03:37 < cimon> what does vixissemus mean then? We will win?
2008-05-01 03:37 * SynergeticMag says 10,100 edits go bye bye
2008-05-01 03:37 < AdamBishop> we would have lived
2008-05-01 03:37 < cimon> hah
2008-05-01 03:37 < Lady_Aleena> SynMag: Sorry to hear that.
2008-05-01 03:38 < AdamBishop> we will win = vincet
2008-05-01 03:38 < cimon> or in other words vinc&
2008-05-01 03:39 < AdamBishop> yeah you see that sometimes in manuscripts
2008-05-01 03:39 < swam> vixissemus means
2008-05-01 03:39 < swam> we would have lived?
2008-05-01 03:40 < AdamBishop> er...sorry, vincemus is we will live
2008-05-01 03:40 < AdamBishop> vincet is third person of cours
2008-05-01 03:40 < swam> do you guys know latin?
2008-05-01 03:40 * SynergeticMag finds himself reverting other people on his own talk page
2008-05-01 03:40 < AdamBishop> yes swam, or just "we had lived" if it's in some subjunctive clause
2008-05-01 03:40 < AdamBishop> yes swam
2008-05-01 03:40 < swam> I find the phrase "We would have lived" most interesting.
2008-05-01 03:40 < swam> the difference is important to me
2008-05-01 03:41 < SynergeticMag> Lady Aleena: don't be, i haven;t done it yet :)
2008-05-01 03:41 < AdamBishop> why?
2008-05-01 03:41 < swam> I don't know. You know it academically or fluently.
2008-05-01 03:41 < swam> I'm not even sure latin can be spoken.
2008-05-01 03:41 < AdamBishop> it can, but that's not very useful
2008-05-01 03:42 < AdamBishop> I can just read it
2008-05-01 03:42 < swam> Does enough of the language survive for two very well informed persons to communicate effectively with eachother in it?
2008-05-01 03:43 < AdamBishop> yup. Up to about about 19th century, it was the international language of science. Now there are radio broadcasts in it, and people in the Vatican speak it sometimes
2008-05-01 03:44 < AdamBishop> I can speak a few sentences with my friends but we don't really communicate in it
2008-05-01 03:44 < swam> Do enough people know it for a student at your average undergraduate university to gain fluency in it easily in a few years time?
2008-05-01 03:44 < AdamBishop> and people write in it all the time, even me
2008-05-01 03:45 < Liempt> We're talking about Latin?
2008-05-01 03:45 < Liempt> Oh goodyt!
2008-05-01 03:45 < AdamBishop> yes, I learned it in about 2 years from scratch, through massive and painful immersion
2008-05-01 03:45 < Liempt> Immersion in Latin?
2008-05-01 03:45 < Liempt> Are you a student of ecclesiastic or classical Latin?
2008-05-01 03:45 < AdamBishop> well, constant Latin classes and constant reading...close enough :)
2008-05-01 03:46 < AdamBishop> medieval/ecclesiastical primarily, but it's all based on classical in the end, that's what they studied
2008-05-01 03:46 < swam> Ha how do you immerse yourself in Latin.
2008-05-01 03:46 < bumm13> take classes, etc.
2008-05-01 03:46 < bumm13> study relevant works
2008-05-01 03:47 < Gomer221> That's not really considered "immersion"
2008-05-01 03:47 < bumm13> meowf?
2008-05-01 03:47 < AdamBishop> yeah I know but I couldn't think of a more approrpriate word
2008-05-01 03:47 < AdamBishop> "beating myself over the head with the Latin stick" is what we usually say here
2008-05-01 03:47 < Liempt> I can't write in Latin very well, but I'm at the point where I can read most texts without much dictionary consulting.
2008-05-01 03:48 < AdamBishop> classical texts, Liempt?
2008-05-01 03:48 < swam> is Latin like the Babel languages, can most languages you know anything about trace themselves back in some way to Latin?
2008-05-01 03:48 < Liempt> Encyclicals, Apostolic Letters, Vulgate.
2008-05-01 03:48 < Liempt> swam: The romance languages can.
2008-05-01 03:48 < AdamBishop> cool. You should be able to read anything medieval then
2008-05-01 03:48 < bumm13> English isn't Latin-based, so no
2008-05-01 03:49 < Liempt> But the German langauges, like English, dutch, etc. . .
2008-05-01 03:49 < Liempt> They're unrelated to Latin.
2008-05-01 03:49 < Liempt> Well, English borrowed a lot of words.
2008-05-01 03:49 < swam> English isn't? It seems like it might be.
2008-05-01 03:49 < swam> Oh yes.
2008-05-01 03:49 < Liempt> But in terms of strict origins, it's Germanic.
2008-05-01 03:49 < AdamBishop> English has a lot more Latin in it than German, because England was conquered by the French
2008-05-01 03:49 < Liempt> Most closely related to Frisian, in fact.
2008-05-01 03:49 < bumm13> linguistically, Latin is one branch of the larger Indo-European language family
2008-05-01 03:49 < bumm13> (Romance languages)
2008-05-01 03:49 < swam> So only French, Spanish, Italian are of strict Latin descent?
2008-05-01 03:50 < Scarian> Any commons admins?
2008-05-01 03:50 < Liempt> AdamBishop: Compare Old english to modern Dutch and then to Latin
2008-05-01 03:50 < bumm13> Portuguese, Romanian
2008-05-01 03:50 < AdamBishop> I knew French before I knew Latin but French is easier to understand now. And because of Latin I can make my way through Italian and Spanish and sometimes Portuguese, although those are still hard
2008-05-01 03:50 < Liempt> It's seriously Germanic.
2008-05-01 03:50 < AdamBishop> yes but Old English is pre-Conquest :)
2008-05-01 03:50 < Liempt> True enough.
2008-05-01 03:50 < bumm13> Icelandic is "ye olde" ;)
2008-05-01 03:50 < Liempt> Don't do that.
2008-05-01 03:50 < Liempt> =p
2008-05-01 03:51 < Liempt> Unless you realise that the y is a malformed thorn.
2008-05-01 03:51 < bumm13> I do!
2008-05-01 03:51 < bumm13> so neener neener! ;)
2008-05-01 03:51 < Liempt> Good stuff!
2008-05-01 03:51 < bumm13> ðe
2008-05-01 03:51 < Liempt> OH LORD
2008-05-01 03:51 < AdamBishop> my friend, who studies Old Norse, got a scholarship to go to Iceland
2008-05-01 03:51 < bumm13> :-)
2008-05-01 03:51 < Liempt> Can yu do a wyrnn?
2008-05-01 03:51 < Liempt> Erm.
2008-05-01 03:51 < Liempt> You.
2008-05-01 03:51 < bumm13> not in this character set
2008-05-01 03:52 < bumm13> ASCII only has eth and thorn because of Icelandic
2008-05-01 03:52 < Liempt> Right, makes sense.
2008-05-01 03:52 * Liempt uses eth and thorn in his everyday writing, because he's just that cool.
2008-05-01 03:52 < AdamBishop> swam, those, and Portuguese and Romanian as bumm said, and various dialects that are probably different languages
2008-05-01 03:52 < AdamBishop> like Occitan and Catalan and Sicilian, etc
2008-05-01 03:52 < bumm13> yeah
2008-05-01 03:52 < bumm13> also Galician
2008-05-01 03:53 < bumm13> (the smaller ones)
2008-05-01 03:53 < swam> I'm studying linguistics as an undergrad.
2008-05-01 03:53 < bumm13> Spanish is the only non-English language that I have much grasp on
2008-05-01 03:53 < AdamBishop> classical Latin is hard to read sometimes, because it was their native language so it came to them naturally
2008-05-01 03:53 < swam> I find it an obscenely inclusive subject,
2008-05-01 03:54 < swam> Really, everything depends on what you can put into words.
2008-05-01 03:54 < AdamBishop> ecclesiastical Latin is much more unnatural, almost like a constructed language, so it's easier to read in that sense
2008-05-01 03:54 < Liempt> Well, to be honest, I'd think that non-vulgar latin was rarely a person's first language.
2008-05-01 03:55 < Liempt> But yeah, ecclesiastical has simpler sentence structure.
2008-05-01 03:55 < Liempt> But once you speak in couple languages (try out Dutch) it's a lot easier to master the unconventional word order of Classical Latin.
2008-05-01 03:56 < AdamBishop> I always wanted to learn Dutch
2008-05-01 03:56 < AdamBishop> I learned German, very poorly
2008-05-01 03:57 < bumm13> I have no desire to learn German
2008-05-01 03:57 < Liempt> I can't sepak any German.
2008-05-01 03:57 < bumm13> it looks scary ;p
2008-05-01 03:57 < Liempt> Speak.
2008-05-01 03:57 < swam> german doesn't seem too different from english
2008-05-01 03:57 < AdamBishop> but you speak Dutch?
2008-05-01 03:57 < Liempt> Except made-up sentences like: IST DU DAS FUHRERIN, POR FAVOR.
2008-05-01 03:57 < Liempt> I speak made-up german very well.
2008-05-01 03:58 < Liempt> And I /try/ to speak Dutch.
2008-05-01 03:58 < Liempt> >_>
2008-05-01 03:58 < Liempt> <_<
2008-05-01 03:58 < AdamBishop> het leeuw at mijn hond!
2008-05-01 03:59 < Liempt> OH NOES
2008-05-01 03:59 < The359> Bist du das Fuhrerin, bitte?
2008-05-01 04:00 < AdamBishop> whenever I learn a language I always try to say "the lion ate my dog" and "I would like to buy some cheese and some butter"
2008-05-01 04:01 < The359> although, if it's the Fuhrerin, I guess it should be "Bist Sie die Fuhrerin, bitte?
2008-05-01 04:01 < bumm13> Spanish: "el león coma mi perro"
2008-05-01 04:01 < The359> although I think that's not entirely correct
2008-05-01 04:02 < AdamBishop> "ist sie die Fuehrerin"
2008-05-01 04:02 < AdamBishop> or "Sind Sie die Fuehrerin"
2008-05-01 04:02 < Ral315> DUS BIN EINE STAUBSAUGER
2008-05-01 04:02 < Ral315> I doubt that's grammatically correct
2008-05-01 04:02 < The359> yes, Sind
2008-05-01 04:02 < AdamBishop> eins zwei polizei
2008-05-01 04:03 < The359> I couldn't remember the form of Ist that went with Sie
2008-05-01 04:03 < AdamBishop> das ist die wichtigest Ereignis!
2008-05-01 04:03 < Ral315> I just learned that when I was 7 or 8 and amused myself calling people vacuum cleaners in German.
2008-05-01 04:03 < bumm13> "querería a comprar unos queso y una mantequilla" (close)
2008-05-01 04:04 < AdamBishop> der Geschwindigkeitbegrenzungsfabrik ist gross
2008-05-01 04:04 < Lady_Aleena> der Was?
2008-05-01 04:04 < bumm13> *un queso
2008-05-01 04:04 < AdamBishop> der Geschwindigkeitbegrenzungsfabrik ist den Fluss entlang!
2008-05-01 04:04 < Lady_Aleena> Ins Englisch bitte?
2008-05-01 04:04 < AdamBishop> the speed limit sign factory