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2008-04-27 10:36 < [21655]> absens*
2008-04-27 10:36 < Lucifer_Cat> lol ok
2008-04-27 10:37 < DerHexer|absens> I'm nearly never absens, but busy!
2008-04-27 10:37 < [21655]> hmm, there's that
2008-04-27 10:37 < Lucifer_Cat> how old are you?
2008-04-27 10:37 < DerHexer|absens> 21
2008-04-27 10:37 < Lucifer_Cat> ohh i thought u were some kind of prodigy :P
2008-04-27 10:38 < Lucifer_Cat> and i actually thought that preston was changing nicks :P
2008-04-27 10:39 < ShakespeareFan00> Hi
2008-04-27 10:40 < ShakespeareFan00> I need 3 people with a good voice and reading ability :)
2008-04-27 10:44 < Lucifer_Cat> reading ability... yes... good voice... ummm no.... 'person', bummer.
2008-04-27 10:55 < ShakespeareFan00> Hmm
2008-04-27 11:06 * Lucifer_Cat huggles DerHexer|absens
2008-04-27 11:06 < DerHexer|absens> :)
2008-04-27 11:07 * Lucifer_Cat huggles ShakespeareFan00 too, despite all the authorship issues
2008-04-27 11:11 < Lindberg47> hey!
2008-04-27 11:12 < Moro55> in a channel, how can I set the Conference Mode?
2008-04-27 11:12 < Lindberg47> do anyone know what the result of this math is: (2a-b)^2
2008-04-27 11:13 < kibble> Moro55, it's client based
2008-04-27 11:13 < Lucifer_Cat> Moro55: using cZ?
2008-04-27 11:13 < Moro55> oh
2008-04-27 11:13 < Lindberg47> my shot is 4a^2-4ab-b^2
2008-04-27 11:13 < Moro55> cZ?
2008-04-27 11:13 < Lucifer_Cat> +b^2 shouldnt it be?
2008-04-27 11:14 < Moro55> no xD
2008-04-27 11:14 < kibble> Lindberg47, (2a-b)*(2a-b) = (4a^2 - 4ab + b^2)
2008-04-27 11:14 < Lucifer_Cat> chatzilla
2008-04-27 11:14 < kibble> yes, he has chatzilla
2008-04-27 11:14 < Lucifer_Cat> oh yeah, he has
2008-04-27 11:14 < Lindberg47> ok, was also unsure about the last b
2008-04-27 11:14 < Lindberg47> thanks alot!
2008-04-27 11:14 < Moro55> yes, but how can I set that mode?
2008-04-27 11:15 < Moro55> +t?
2008-04-27 11:15 < Moro55> +b no xD
2008-04-27 11:15 * Cyrius has a cat
2008-04-27 11:16 < Lucifer_Cat> Moro55: Chatzilla > Preferences .. click on the server name, in Appearences tab, there will be "Conference mode limit"
2008-04-27 11:16 < Lubaf> Heh.
2008-04-27 11:16 < Lucifer_Cat> lower that if you want leaves and joins to appear, and ramp it up if you dont want them to
2008-04-27 11:16 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: what kind
2008-04-27 11:16 < Moro55> sorry Lucifer_Cat , I mean applied to channel, no user
2008-04-27 11:17 < Lucifer_Cat> :
2008-04-27 11:17 < Lucifer_Cat> :S
2008-04-27 11:17 < Cyrius> the kind that demands to be in my lap
2008-04-27 11:17 < Lubaf> There once was a company that had to rename their latest MP3 player in its i.Beat line.
2008-04-27 11:17 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: thanks, you narrowed it down to exactly all of them.
2008-04-27 11:17 < Lubaf> Specifically, they chose to name the latest model Blaxx.
2008-04-27 11:17 < Moro55> anyway, thanks Lucifer_Cat, kibble ;)
2008-04-27 11:18 < Cyrius> there's plenty of cats that aren't lap cats
2008-04-27 11:18 < kibble> np
2008-04-27 11:18 < Krimpet> Lubaf: that sounds like a nasty case of vendor lock-in.
2008-04-27 11:18 < Krimpet> because once you go Blaxx, you'll never go back.
2008-04-27 11:18 < Lubaf> Krimpet: No, that wasn't the problem.
2008-04-27 11:18 < Lubaf> It was marketed under the name "i.Beat Blaxx".
2008-04-27 11:19 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-04-27 11:19 * Lucifer_Cat huggles Krimpet ... despite all the weight issues
2008-04-27 11:19 < Krimpet> Lucifer_Cat: weight issues? o_O
2008-04-27 11:19 < Lucifer_Cat> :P
2008-04-27 11:20 < Lubaf> Krimpet: Lucifer_Cat's, not yours.
2008-04-27 11:20 * Lubaf put Lucifer_Cat on the scales.
2008-04-27 11:20 < Krimpet> ah, that explains it. :)
2008-04-27 11:20 < Lucifer_Cat> Lubaf: yup.my issue is that im lighter than her :P
2008-04-27 11:21 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat: She weighs more than a supermassive neutron star?
2008-04-27 11:21 < Lubaf> I'm impressed.
2008-04-27 11:21 < Lucifer_Cat> amazingly, of all the sexist jokes i can make, this one manages to offend a majority of them... and mostly more than any other i've tried
2008-04-27 11:21 * Lubaf notes the scale he put Lucifer_Cat is moving past "Supermassive neutron star" to "Quasar".
2008-04-27 11:23 < Krimpet> Lucifer_Cat, down that path lies ban city. you might want to cool it. :/
2008-04-27 11:24 < Cyrius> uh, what?
2008-04-27 11:24 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-04-27 11:25 < Lucifer_Cat> jeez, relax.
2008-04-27 11:25 < ShakespeareFan00> Anyone here with a good voice?
2008-04-27 11:25 < ShakespeareFan00> and reading ability?
2008-04-27 11:25 < Lucifer_Cat> i didnt get offended when Lubaf effectively called me a fatso :|
2008-04-27 11:25 < Lucifer_Cat> both? no.
2008-04-27 11:25 < ShakespeareFan00> Lubaf is fatist? ;)
2008-04-27 11:26 < Lubaf> ShakespeareFan00: No, I just enjoy turning an insult around.
2008-04-27 11:28 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle|away: away huh
2008-04-27 11:32 < Lucifer_Cat> [[Battle_of_Longewala]] kickass baby
2008-04-27 11:33 < White_Cat> I need an svg person
2008-04-27 11:34 < Lucifer_Cat> svg?
2008-04-27 11:59 < Lucifer_Cat> chatkill
2008-04-27 12:06 < JessicaTaylor> g'night all
2008-04-27 12:14 < Messedrocker> MOO
2008-04-27 12:15 < Messedrocker> DEATH TO MOO
2008-04-27 12:15 < Messedrocker> I AM ALSO SCOTTY
2008-04-27 12:17 * gurch huggles the channel
2008-04-27 12:19 * Messedrocker stares at gurch
2008-04-27 12:19 * gurch is stared at :/
2008-04-27 12:22 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Heh. I resigned the game. I was making too many dumb mistakes.
2008-04-27 12:22 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: This one's yours'.
2008-04-27 12:22 < quanticle> Er, yours, even.
2008-04-27 12:23 * quanticle wonders where NotACow has been?
2008-04-27 13:48 < LetsGo67> For wikipedia pictures, what is better between copyrighted and by-nc-sa?
2008-04-27 13:48 < Messedrocker> all-rights-reserved and CC-BY-NC-SA are treated the same on Wikipedia
2008-04-27 13:48 < Cyrius> everything is copyrighted
2008-04-27 13:48 < kmccoy> All pictures are copyrighted, except that in the PD.
2008-04-27 13:48 < kmccoy> heh
2008-04-27 13:48 < LetsGo67> Which is better?
2008-04-27 13:49 < Messedrocker> neither
2008-04-27 13:49 < Messedrocker> LetsGo67, because of the non-commercial clause, Wikipedia will not accept the CC-BY-NC-SA license, so you will have to use it under fair use
2008-04-27 13:49 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: I think he's already confused enough without bringing fair use into it
2008-04-27 13:50 < Messedrocker> Cyrius, i have a feeling that by "copyrighted" he meant "all-rights-reserved"
2008-04-27 13:51 < LetsGo67> No, it's because the Carried Away article has a copyrighted picture. I believe that it is possible to find a BY-SA or BY picture, as the girl group has toured in my city, but for now, what is better between copyrighted art and CC-BY-NC-SA?
2008-04-27 13:51 < Cyrius> neither
2008-04-27 13:51 < kmccoy> Neither. They're both bad.
2008-04-27 13:51 < kmccoy> (Assuming that "copyrighted" means "all rights reserved" or the like.)
2008-04-27 13:52 < LetsGo67> Yes, but the by-nc-sa is more free than the copyrighted.
2008-04-27 13:52 < Messedrocker> it is, but Wikipedia nonetheless deems it unacceptable
2008-04-27 13:52 < Cyrius> you keep using "copyrighted" to mean something it doesn't mean
2008-04-27 13:52 < Messedrocker> it's certainly free-er, but it's not free enough
2008-04-27 13:52 < Cyrius> cc-by-nc-sa is copyrighted
2008-04-27 13:52 < Cyrius> cc-by is copyrighted
2008-04-27 13:52 < Cyrius> gfdl is copyrighted
2008-04-27 13:52 < kmccoy> If you feel that you already know the answer, LetsGo67, why did you ask?
2008-04-27 13:52 < Messedrocker> kmccoy, for confirmation?
2008-04-27 13:53 < LetsGo67> Okay, what I mean by "copyrighted" is "all rights reserved".
2008-04-27 13:53 < kmccoy> And yet, when we responded, argument ensued.
2008-04-27 13:53 < Cyrius> all rights reserved and cc-nc both suck as far as we're concerned
2008-04-27 13:53 < jdelanoy> if something's copyright reads "you may use this for any purpose...", what is the point of saying it's copyrighted?
2008-04-27 13:54 < Cyrius> jdelanoy: to establish who has the right to say that you can do what you want
2008-04-27 13:54 < LetsGo67> So Wikipedia treats nc and all rights reserved on the same level.
2008-04-27 13:54 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-04-27 13:54 < Cyrius> cc-nd goes in there too
2008-04-27 13:55 < Lubaf> What's Newark?
2008-04-27 13:55 < Cyrius> a city in New Jersey?
2008-04-27 13:55 < Messedrocker> lubaf, a city in New Jersey and a totally different city in Delaware
2008-04-27 13:55 < kmccoy> Also may refer to an airport that serves NYC?
2008-04-27 13:55 < Messedrocker> there's NEW-ark, NJ and new-ARK, DE
2008-04-27 13:56 * Lubaf idly wonders if there exists a "-FU" extension to the Creative Commons license.
2008-04-27 13:56 < ShakespeareFan00> As in?
2008-04-27 13:56 < Messedrocker> Lubaf, for "Free Use" ? :P
2008-04-27 13:56 < ShakespeareFan00> You mean CC0?
2008-04-27 13:56 * Lubaf isn't particularly concerned with what the "FU" stands for, just so long as it exists.
2008-04-27 13:56 < jdelanoy> lol
2008-04-27 13:57 < Cyrius> kmccoy: the airport serves Newark, NJ
2008-04-27 13:57 < jdelanoy> does Lubaf really enjoy referring to himself in the third person?
2008-04-27 13:57 < bumm13> Cyrius: well, still part of the NYC/NJ metro area
2008-04-27 13:57 * Lubaf does, sometimes.
2008-04-27 13:57 < bumm13> Newark also has numerous international connections
2008-04-27 13:58 < kmccoy> Cyrius, everyone knows that it's just a outer ring airport for NYC. :)
2008-04-27 13:58 < Cyrius> bumm13: that's a function of Newark the city being in the area, not some random NYC airport being called Newark
2008-04-27 13:58 < LetsGo67> But why is nc considered non-free? I don't get it.
2008-04-27 13:58 < Cyrius> LetsGo67: did you hear about the print German Wikipedia?
2008-04-27 13:58 < LetsGo67> No.
2008-04-27 13:58 < bumm13> Cyrius: you do realize that Cincinnati's airport isn't in Ohio? (for example)
2008-04-27 13:59 < ShakespeareFan00> LetsGo67: because it's denying people the right to use the work
2008-04-27 13:59 < jdelanoy> what is nc?
2008-04-27 13:59 < Cyrius> LetsGo67: a company is making a print German Wikipedia. NC does not allow this use
2008-04-27 13:59 < Cyrius> non-commercial
2008-04-27 13:59 < jdelanoy> ok thx
2008-04-27 13:59 < LetsGo67> Cyrius: but that is commercial but only German.
2008-04-27 13:59 < Cyrius> so?
2008-04-27 13:59 < Cyrius> it's an example of something Wikipedia was intended for that is not allowed
2008-04-27 13:59 < ShakespeareFan00> Non_Commerical basiclty says you can't make money on this, but I as the copyright holder can exploit you
2008-04-27 13:59 < ShakespeareFan00> which is unfair
2008-04-27 14:00 < Cyrius> it's not that it's unfair, it's contrary to the goal
2008-04-27 14:00 < jdelanoy> why is it unfair? If I make something, I think I have a right to decide who can do what with it
2008-04-27 14:00 < LetsGo67> "...I as the copyright holder can exploit you" !?
2008-04-27 14:00 < bumm13> that's ridiculous
2008-04-27 14:00 < Cyrius> it's irrelevant
2008-04-27 14:01 < bumm13> also true
2008-04-27 14:01 < Cyrius> the reason we don't allow nc has to do with it not being compatible with our goals
2008-04-27 14:01 < ShakespeareFan00> jdelanoy: If you are willing to provide a work for public sharing you should be prepared to let that work be utilised by others
2008-04-27 14:01 < Cyrius> it has nothing to do with fairness
2008-04-27 14:01 < LetsGo67> BTW this is the picture I want to use: (http://flickr.com/photos/cmcphotos/126232162/). As I said, there are possible free-er equivalents, but I can't guarantee they're as pretty.
2008-04-27 14:01 < Cyrius> ShakespeareFan00: quit derailing things
2008-04-27 14:01 < ShakespeareFan00> Otherwise, there is not much that difference from nomral copyrights
2008-04-27 14:01 < bumm13> "pretty" is relative
2008-04-27 14:02 < LetsGo67> The only ZOEgirl photos that are free (by or by-sa) are all blurry and ugly. The nc ones are all pretty-er but not as free.
2008-04-27 14:02 < bumm13> well, that's tough
2008-04-27 14:02 < LetsGo67> But for Carried Away, there may be free equivalents.
2008-04-27 14:02 < ShakespeareFan00> LetsGo67: So take some free ones :)
2008-04-27 14:02 < bumm13> good
2008-04-27 14:02 < Cyrius> LetsGo67: one of the intended goals of Wikipedia is to make something that can be redistributed and reused, the -nc limits who can reuse
2008-04-27 14:03 < LetsGo67> What exactly does "commercial" mean, BTW?
2008-04-27 14:03 < Cyrius> making money off it
2008-04-27 14:03 < bumm13> ...
2008-04-27 14:03 < Cyrius> that's not exact
2008-04-27 14:03 < bumm13> don't be obtuse
2008-04-27 14:03 < ShakespeareFan00> LetGo67: It means that you can make money on it :)
2008-04-27 14:03 < ShakespeareFan00> Provided you follow all other terms of the license
2008-04-27 14:04 < jdelanoy> letsgo: I have already asked many people on Flikr to change their image's licenses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:J.delanoy/flickr). If you want, you can use my template message.
2008-04-27 14:04 < LetsGo67> Merci beaucoup jdelanoy!
2008-04-27 14:04 < jdelanoy> I have roughly 86% success
2008-04-27 14:04 < Cream> hey ShakespeareFan00 <3
2008-04-27 14:04 < ShakespeareFan00> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Wikimedia_Radio
2008-04-27 14:04 < ShakespeareFan00> Anyone like the sound of thier own voice?
2008-04-27 14:05 < ShakespeareFan00> Contributors and content generators needed
2008-04-27 14:05 < Cream> ShakespeareFan00, can i speak in sign language on radio?
2008-04-27 14:05 < Monobi> Haha
2008-04-27 14:05 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream: You can on Theroa :)
2008-04-27 14:05 < Monobi> I'm going to speak Yiddish
2008-04-27 14:05 < jdelanoy> cream, if you do that, you will be RICH
2008-04-27 14:05 < jdelanoy> can I have some of your dough
2008-04-27 14:05 < jdelanoy> ?
2008-04-27 14:05 < Cream> sure
2008-04-27 14:05 < LetsGo67> Oh, if I take a picture of a copyrighted picture and license it under by-sa, is it free and legal to do?
2008-04-27 14:05 < Cream> What should i play on the radio?
2008-04-27 14:05 < ShakespeareFan00> LetGo67: No
2008-04-27 14:05 < jdelanoy> no its a derivative work
2008-04-27 14:05 < Cream> never gonna give you up in endless loop?
2008-04-27 14:06 < bumm13> that's interesting, I never thought of the fact that radio has nothing like closed-captioning :x
2008-04-27 14:06 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream: Thats (C)
2008-04-27 14:06 < ShakespeareFan00> So no
2008-04-27 14:06 < Cream> or a cover by another artist
2008-04-27 14:06 < Cream> such as Chocolate Rain
2008-04-27 14:06 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream: What I meant was that you could do ASL on Video :)
2008-04-27 14:06 < kmccoy> Actually, if you don't change the picture very much, it's not even a derivative work.
2008-04-27 14:06 < bumm13> (after all, NPR isn't music-oriented)
2008-04-27 14:06 < kmccoy> It's just a reproduction.
2008-04-27 14:06 < Fennec> ShakespeareFan00: what sort of things does a Wikimedia Radio show talk about?
2008-04-27 14:06 < ShakespeareFan00> Fennec: The intention is Radio 4 ;)
2008-04-27 14:06 < bumm13> kmccoy: thus a *copy*, thus we have *copy*right :-)
2008-04-27 14:07 < Fennec> ShakespeareFan00: ?
2008-04-27 14:07 < ShakespeareFan00> So basicly NEws and spoken Word
2008-04-27 14:07 < kmccoy> :)
2008-04-27 14:07 < Cream> spoken word songs?
2008-04-27 14:07 < Messedrocker> AND
2008-04-27 14:07 < bumm13> if people would remember what "copy" means, copyright would be much less confusing to them
2008-04-27 14:07 < Messedrocker> I
2008-04-27 14:07 < Messedrocker> THINK
2008-04-27 14:07 < ShakespeareFan00> If they are free of (C) and not illeglal ;)
2008-04-27 14:07 < bumm13> yay!
2008-04-27 14:07 < Fennec> I would believe that you have a copyright on the reproduction that's independent of the original artist's copyright, so nobody could distribute it without satisfying both
2008-04-27 14:08 < b33p> stop. and staaaaaaaaaaaaaare
2008-04-27 14:08 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream,Fennec: #Wikimedia-radio
2008-04-27 14:08 < ShakespeareFan00> kmccoy also
2008-04-27 14:08 < LetsGo67> Can I use fair use samples of a copyrighted song in a new work, and license it under CC?
2008-04-27 14:09 < Fennec> You /can/. If it'll hold up when such-and-such comes suing you over it is another matter. :P
2008-04-27 14:09 < ShakespeareFan00> LetsGo67: No
2008-04-27 14:09 < bumm13> sampling still uses one's intellectual property
2008-04-27 14:10 < ShakespeareFan00> The samples are derived works
2008-04-27 14:10 < LetsGo67> Can I write: "so-and-so samples under fair use" in my license terms?
2008-04-27 14:10 < ShakespeareFan00> No
2008-04-27 14:10 < bumm13> is this 20 questions?
2008-04-27 14:10 < LetsGo67> Yes but they are fair use. :)
2008-04-27 14:10 < ShakespeareFan00> No they are not
2008-04-27 14:11 < ShakespeareFan00> Samples in an original compistion have to be licensed
2008-04-27 14:11 < LetsGo67> I know the noderivs, you can do a deriv if it's fair use.
2008-04-27 14:11 < bumm13> fair use is fair use
2008-04-27 14:11 < LetsGo67> ie: 30 seconds or 10%, whichever is less?
2008-04-27 14:11 < bumm13> there isn't "fair use if used a specific way"
2008-04-27 14:11 < ShakespeareFan00> It's better to create 'free' samples of your own sourcing instead of using those from other (C) material
2008-04-27 14:12 < ShakespeareFan00> bumm13: I would disagree on this in relation to sound recordings
2008-04-27 14:12 < bumm13> plonk!
2008-04-27 14:12 < LetsGo67> I do agree it's better to create 'free' samples, but when it's not possible, is the 30 seconds or 10% of a recording rule acceptable? :)
2008-04-27 14:12 < quanticle> LetsGo67: The legality of sampling as fair use is murky. You really ought to consult a lawyer on that one.
2008-04-27 14:13 < LetsGo67> Snap.
2008-04-27 14:13 < jdelanoy> go here (http://www.copyright.gov/title17/circ92.pdf) and look at page 19.
2008-04-27 14:14 < LetsGo67> ISP is slow, what does it say?
2008-04-27 14:15 < The359> Also
2008-04-27 14:15 < The359> consult your doctor if you have an erection lasting more than four hours
2008-04-27 14:15 < ShakespeareFan00> Huh?
2008-04-27 14:15 < LetsGo67> Off-topic.
2008-04-27 14:15 < The359> quanticle said consult a lawyer
2008-04-27 14:15 < jdelanoy> Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining...
2008-04-27 14:15 < jdelanoy> ...whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include— (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copy-righted work as a...
2008-04-27 14:15 < jdelanoy> ...whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copy-righted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.
2008-04-27 14:16 < jdelanoy> that is not correctly formatted. Sorry it runs all together like that
2008-04-27 14:16 < ShakespeareFan00> In other words, use of samples from a (C) work in a work intended to be licensed for commerical use is probably not on..
2008-04-27 14:17 < LetsGo67> Thank you, jdelanoy. :)
2008-04-27 14:17 < jdelanoy> do you want me to try to make it easier to read
2008-04-27 14:17 < quanticle> "'Copies' are material objects, other than phonorecords, in which a work is fixed by any method now known or later developed, and from which the work can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated..." -> Why the exception for phonorecords?
2008-04-27 14:17 < LetsGo67> So everyone was right, in the end. Fair use may or may not be acceptable.
2008-04-27 14:17 < Fennec> unfair!
2008-04-27 14:17 < LetsGo67> No thanks, jdelanoy, the pdf is 86% complete. :)
2008-04-27 14:17 < Scream> ANyone here good at sourcing US political BLP articles?
2008-04-27 14:18 < ShakespeareFan00> What level?
2008-04-27 14:18 < Scream> state
2008-04-27 14:18 < ShakespeareFan00> Are we talking Congress, Senators, Governers here?
2008-04-27 14:18 < Scream> sttate rep
2008-04-27 14:18 < jdelanoy> quanticle: this was written before computers came into wide use. Reproductions of digital works are covered under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act
2008-04-27 14:19 < Scream> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Johnson
2008-04-27 14:19 < quanticle> LetsGo67: Yeah, the legality of sampling is currently up in the air, since its pretty hard to define a clear line at which point your work becomes a "derived work" or "compilation".
2008-04-27 14:19 < ShakespeareFan00> PD samples as they exist, would be covered by creative expansion of Bridgeman
2008-04-27 14:19 < quanticle> jdelanoy: Ah. Right. I forgot about that. The DMCA did rewrite a significant number of copyright provisions.
2008-04-27 14:20 < jdelanoy> yeah, well, you cant expect the Feds to be stupid ALL the time....
2008-04-27 14:20 < jdelanoy> sigh
2008-04-27 14:20 < quanticle> Say, has anyone seen Lucifer_Cat today?
2008-04-27 14:21 < quanticle> jdelanoy: You can't expect the Feds to be stupid all the time, but assuming governmental stupidity is usually a pretty safe bet.
2008-04-27 14:21 < jdelanoy> amen
2008-04-27 14:21 < jdelanoy> especially now
2008-04-27 14:21 < jdelanoy> between Congress and George Bush, I don't know if it COULD be worse
2008-04-27 14:21 < jdelanoy> .... but then again, maybe I don't want to know
2008-04-27 14:22 < LetsGo67> Thank you everyone, TTYL.
2008-04-27 14:24 < jdelanoy> lol
2008-04-27 14:24 < jdelanoy> someone just sent me an email
2008-04-27 14:24 < jdelanoy> it had all these random thoughts
2008-04-27 14:24 < bumm13> roffle
2008-04-27 14:24 < jdelanoy> "why do people park cars worth thousands of dollars in their driveways and fill their garages with all their worthless junk?"
2008-04-27 14:25 < The359> small things are easier to steal
2008-04-27 14:25 < bumm13> as opposed to leaving the junk in their yards? :)
2008-04-27 14:25 < quanticle> "A 'derivative work' is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgement, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed or adapted." --> That's the real issue. Is a ten second sound sample from a four minute song an adaptation, or is the sound sample sufficiently generi
2008-04-27 14:25 < bumm13> some cities take issue with doing that
2008-04-27 14:25 < jdelanoy> The359: I like how your mind works :)
2008-04-27 14:25 < quanticle> bumm13: Having junk in your yard, or having your car in your driveway?
2008-04-27 14:25 < bumm13> the former :-p
2008-04-27 14:26 < quanticle> bumm13: The latter too, if the car is sufficiently decrepit. Although, in that case, the car would fall under the definition of junk, no?
2008-04-27 14:26 < bumm13> I'd imagine so
2008-04-27 14:26 < bumm13> usually it takes more than one junked car for a city to notice
2008-04-27 14:27 < jdelanoy> in my town, more people would notice a new car than a junked car :S
2008-04-27 14:27 < b33p> oh hey
2008-04-27 14:27 < b33p> if u hapen 2 c. the most beautiful girl.
2008-04-27 14:27 < bumm13> jdelanoy: heh
2008-04-27 14:27 < b33p> that walked out on me.
2008-04-27 14:28 < jdelanoy> is there a way to chat here from in Huggle?
2008-04-27 14:28 < quanticle> jdelanoy: No. Why should there be?
2008-04-27 14:28 < jdelanoy> idk its just it uses IRC, so i didn't know
2008-04-27 14:28 < jdelanoy> it would be sweet if you could
2008-04-27 14:29 < Krimpet> jdelanoy: it uses the irc.wikimedia.org feeds which are on a different server
2008-04-27 14:29 < jdelanoy> oh my bad
2008-04-27 14:29 < quanticle> jdelanoy: Its IRC functionality is read-only I think. It looks at the IRC feed to see the recent changes.
2008-04-27 14:29 < Krimpet> reading the feeds from there is probably much simpler than a full client :)
2008-04-27 14:29 < jdelanoy> yeah
2008-04-27 14:30 < jdelanoy> Im going to college this fall with a CS major
2008-04-27 14:30 < jdelanoy> maybe I can write an addon at somepoint
2008-04-27 14:30 * bumm13 went to college once
2008-04-27 14:30 * quanticle is in college right now
2008-04-27 14:31 < jdelanoy> how do you get italics in here?
2008-04-27 14:31 * b33p is watching snooker
2008-04-27 14:31 < quanticle> jdelanoy: What's preventing you from working on such an extension right now?
2008-04-27 14:31 < bumm13> b33p: ah, the billiards game that's mostly foreign to the Americas :)
2008-04-27 14:31 < quanticle> Anyway, I'll be right back in a bit.
2008-04-27 14:31 < jdelanoy> I don't know anything about programming, and Microsoft Visual Studio costs 450 dollars until I am officially in college
2008-04-27 14:31 < b33p> bumm, you in the UK?
2008-04-27 14:31 < bumm13> nope
2008-04-27 14:31 < bumm13> U.S.
2008-04-27 14:31 < quanticle> jdelanoy: Can't you get Visual Sutdio Express Edition?
2008-04-27 14:31 < b33p> Snooker is amazing
2008-04-27 14:32 < bumm13> jdelanoy: yet you wish to tackle compsci?
2008-04-27 14:32 < b33p> so much harder than pool, too
2008-04-27 14:32 < bumm13> pool, as in 8-ball?
2008-04-27 14:32 < quanticle> jdelanoy: That's the free version. Its a little bit crippled, but its still quite good.
2008-04-27 14:32 < b33p> 8ball, 9ball
2008-04-27 14:32 < bumm13> okie :)
2008-04-27 14:32 < bumm13> 9-ball is a decent competitive game
2008-04-27 14:32 < quanticle> jdelanoy: Or, you could go for programming in open source technologies like Python and Perl, and GCC
2008-04-27 14:32 < bumm13> 8-ball is for fun
2008-04-27 14:33 < b33p> even when playing on an american pool table which are much bigger than English pool tables, snooker is still far harder
2008-04-27 14:33 < b33p> which is why i love it.
2008-04-27 14:33 < quanticle> jdelanoy: If you're not motivated enough to be programming on your own, you'll be in trouble when you get into college.
2008-04-27 14:33 < quanticle> Anyway, now I'm really out
2008-04-27 14:33 < bumm13> later quanticle
2008-04-27 14:33 < jdelanoy> why will I be in trouble?
2008-04-27 14:34 < bumm13> b33p: most of the top billiards players are from the British Isles
2008-04-27 14:34 < jdelanoy> i only got my own computer last fall
2008-04-27 14:34 < bumm13> jdelanoy: perhaps you should start researching some of this stuff
2008-04-27 14:34 < jdelanoy> i know about programming, it's just I don't know what to make
2008-04-27 14:34 < bumm13> there are plenty of books and online materials regarding various programming languages
2008-04-27 14:34 < jdelanoy> i mean, if I learned a language
2008-04-27 14:35 < jdelanoy> and never used it for 2 years
2008-04-27 14:35 < jdelanoy> how could I remember it
2008-04-27 14:35 < jdelanoy> what would be the point?
2008-04-27 14:35 < bumm13> like riding a bicycle?
2008-04-27 14:35 < bumm13> if an endeavor doesn't feel natural, maybe it's best to do something that does
2008-04-27 14:36 < jdelanoy> I took Spanish in 9th and 10th, and I remember almost zilch
2008-04-27 14:36 < jdelanoy> so what is different about a programming language from a natural language?
2008-04-27 14:36 < bumm13> well, don't teach Spanish or live in a Spanish-speaking country then :)
2008-04-27 14:36 < bumm13> jdelanoy: plenty
2008-04-27 14:36 < bumm13> although the goal is roughly the same
2008-04-27 14:37 < bumm13> to communicate (as in make the computer do something)
2008-04-27 14:37 < Sponge> that it's a whole different language
2008-04-27 14:37 < bumm13> the programming language is a "go-between" between human and raw machine code
2008-04-27 14:37 < jdelanoy> i know that
2008-04-27 14:37 < Sponge> Only 5th generation languages make some more sence
2008-04-27 14:37 < Sponge> like SQL
2008-04-27 14:37 < jdelanoy> what I mean is,
2008-04-27 14:37 < Sponge> * sense
2008-04-27 14:37 < jdelanoy> if you learn a language and never use it, you just forget it
2008-04-27 14:38 < jdelanoy> i knew spanish pretty well
2008-04-27 14:38 < b33p> bumm: my connection stalled chat for a while there. yeah, i know steve davis and ronnie o'sullivan play the american circuits
2008-04-27 14:38 < jdelanoy> but i don't ever speak spanish
2008-04-27 14:38 < jdelanoy> so i forgot it
2008-04-27 14:38 < b33p> ronnie is playing snooker atm, that's who i'm watching. against a guy called mark williams.
2008-04-27 14:38 < bumm13> b33p: the top women players are often not from the U.S. (on our circuit)
2008-04-27 14:38 < bumm13> oddly enough, I rarely see the men's circuit on TV here
2008-04-27 14:39 < bumm13> the top women's player in Alison Fisher (a Brit)
2008-04-27 14:39 < bumm13> there's another gal who is really good from Ireland
2008-04-27 14:40 < jdelanoy> soooo how do you get italics on IRC?
2008-04-27 14:40 * Fennec makes pancakes.
2008-04-27 14:40 < jdelanoy> like what do you type?
2008-04-27 14:40 < Sponge> *most* programming language all work the same way. If you know C++, you can easily understand PHP or Java[script] as well. Visual Basic and Delphi are different, but the idea is the same.
2008-04-27 14:40 < bumm13> jdelanoy: normally, you don't
2008-04-27 14:40 < jdelanoy> i don't what?
2008-04-27 14:40 < bumm13> get italics
2008-04-27 14:40 < jdelanoy> Fennec did
2008-04-27 14:41 < bumm13> IRC isn't meant to be formatting-laden
2008-04-27 14:41 < b33p> fisher used to be a snooker player, she was in some great women's snooker tournaments but they weren't giving her
2008-04-27 14:41 < bumm13> depends on the IRC client
2008-04-27 14:41 < jdelanoy> Im using chatzilla
2008-04-27 14:41 < b33p> the financial rewards she was looking for (women's snooker isn't popular), so she moved to US. i think she has a sister
2008-04-27 14:41 < bumm13> usually, /me footext doesn't yield italicized text
2008-04-27 14:41 < b33p> who plays pool there too. maybe not though.
2008-04-27 14:41 < b33p> i'm only 19 so I don't remember her or anything, but i know that's what happened
2008-04-27 14:42 < bumm13> oh, heh
2008-04-27 14:42 < bumm13> the Irish player is named Karen Corr
2008-04-27 14:42 < bumm13> there are some decent American women players, but just a handful
2008-04-27 14:42 < bumm13> it's odd that they don't show the men's circuit much on TV
2008-04-27 14:43 < bumm13> (so I know less about it)
2008-04-27 14:43 < bumm13> I've seen more trick shooting on TV than actual men's billiards (9-ball)
2008-04-27 14:44 < bumm13> with Mike Massey and pals ;)
2008-04-27 14:44 < b33p> oh, I'm Irish, I didn't know there were any good Irish players in pool. there are some good snooker players from here
2008-04-27 14:44 < bumm13> well, she probably was a snooker player once ;)
2008-04-27 14:44 < bumm13> (as Fisher was)
2008-04-27 14:44 < bumm13> again, the money in the U.S. circuit and all that
2008-04-27 14:45 < b33p> yeah, it's more rewarding. probably why even men go over there to play
2008-04-27 14:45 < bumm13> yeah
2008-04-27 14:45 < b33p> food is on the way and my connection is acting up, gonna head on
2008-04-27 14:46 < bumm13> later b33p
2008-04-27 14:46 < b33p> later
2008-04-27 14:46 * Fabexplosive back
2008-04-27 14:47 < jdelanoy> what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow
2008-04-27 14:47 < jdelanoy> ?
2008-04-27 14:48 < jdelanoy> sorry, really bored right now
2008-04-27 14:56 < Tux^verdreifelt> hi.. i remember having found some wikipedia changelog recently.. what's new in the current wikipedia software or sth.. where was tat again?
2008-04-27 14:56 < Tux^verdreifelt> *that
2008-04-27 14:58 < c3p0> hi
2008-04-27 14:58 < cimon> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7361414.stm O.O
2008-04-27 14:59 < c3p0> what happened?
2008-04-27 14:59 < wimt> Tux^verdreifelt, it should be linked from http://www.mediawiki.org/ I think.
2008-04-27 14:59 * The359 thinks he now has a stalker
2008-04-27 15:00 < Tux^verdreifelt> wimt: so there's somewhere a list of which MW changes have also been applied to the wp?
2008-04-27 15:00 < Tux^verdreifelt> :)
2008-04-27 15:00 < c3p0> i have a small question about wp
2008-04-27 15:00 < The359> so ask
2008-04-27 15:00 < wimt> Tux^verdreifelt, hmm probably - some of it is listed at https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Server_admin_log
2008-04-27 15:01 < c3p0> is there any wp server except yah00 k0rea?
2008-04-27 15:01 < The359> ...?
2008-04-27 15:01 < Tux^verdreifelt> :s so that's not what i was looking for, it was sth different.. @ wimt.. it was less technical and more detailed ;) thatnks..
2008-04-27 15:01 < bumm13> c3p0: yes, of course
2008-04-27 15:01 < wimt> Most of the Wikipedia servers are in Florida. A few squid servers are in Amsterdam and in Yahoo's datacentre in Korea.
2008-04-27 15:01 < bumm13> what wimt said ;)
2008-04-27 15:01 < wimt> Hehe :-)
2008-04-27 15:02 < c3p0> somebody is always redirected to the server of yah00 k0rea
2008-04-27 15:02 < The359> why do you keep using zeros
2008-04-27 15:02 < bumm13> I'm not sure if much can be done about that
2008-04-27 15:02 < wimt> Tux^verdreifelt, hmm well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version tells you what the latest versions in use are, but isn't a changelog.
2008-04-27 15:03 < Fennec> c3p0: You're trying to be cool|cute|amusing|awesome|1337|something with the 0-substitution, but I don't think it's gaining you anything positive. :)
2008-04-27 15:03 < bumm13> would this be relevant? http://cia.vc/stats/project/mediawiki
2008-04-27 15:03 < c3p0> becauseyah00 shark can smell that sentence
2008-04-27 15:03 < bumm13> ok......
2008-04-27 15:04 < Tux^verdreifelt> bumm13: :S i dunno.. 'twas sth inside the wikipedia AFAIK... naming, or example, the upcoming user account unity..
2008-04-27 15:04 < Tux^verdreifelt> well.. i'll keep searchin
2008-04-27 15:04 < Tux^verdreifelt> :)
2008-04-27 15:04 < bumm13> try asking in #mediawiki as well
2008-04-27 15:04 < bumm13> (if anyone has a pulse there ;p )
2008-04-27 15:04 < Fennec> c3p0: If you have reason to be concerned about eavesdropping from Yahoo!, Inc, I don't think the 0-substitution will be adequate to prevent any ill effects.
2008-04-27 15:04 < bumm13> haha
2008-04-27 15:04 < Tux^verdreifelt> i doubt that (in brackets) :P
2008-04-27 15:05 < c3p0> if i use tor, i can only get into wp at the first time
2008-04-27 15:05 < bumm13> the tech people like to ignore the rest of mankind ;p
2008-04-27 15:05 < Tux^verdreifelt> i'm a tech people, too :> ("a people", kinda great)
2008-04-27 15:05 < Tux^verdreifelt> but i'm not into that software
2008-04-27 15:05 < Tux^verdreifelt> :D
2008-04-27 15:05 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-27 15:06 < bumm13> these are a specific subspecies - the server moles ;)
2008-04-27 15:06 < c3p0> why does wp allow yah00 to censor users?
2008-04-27 15:06 < bumm13> c3p0: huh?
2008-04-27 15:06 < The359> you already said Yahoo
2008-04-27 15:06 < The359> you can stop with the zeros
2008-04-27 15:06 < wimt> c3p0, yahoo has no say over content at all - they simply donated their servers.
2008-04-27 15:06 < Fennec> c3p0: Really, people are taking you a lot less seriously with the zero-deal.
2008-04-27 15:07 < c3p0> but, why somebody is always redirected to yaho0 k0rea if wp has alot of servers?
2008-04-27 15:08 < Fennec> c3p0: Geo-IP setup?
2008-04-27 15:08 < The359> you're closer to Korea?
2008-04-27 15:08 < The359> what difference does it make which server you go to?
2008-04-27 15:08 < bumm13> hiya NoPegs!
2008-04-27 15:09 < c3p0> i don't want my packets to pass through any yah0O server
2008-04-27 15:09 < Fennec> why not?
2008-04-27 15:09 < bumm13> c3p0: sorry you feel that way
2008-04-27 15:09 < jdelanoy> dude, your packets are passing through hundreds of servers anyway, so who cares?
2008-04-27 15:09 < The359> Guess you shouldn't use Wikipedia then
2008-04-27 15:09 < c3p0> yahoO is a criminal you know
2008-04-27 15:09 < Fennec> It's not like Yahoo can see something that goes through their servers... that they can't otherwise.
2008-04-27 15:09 < bumm13> dude, you're not even coherent
2008-04-27 15:09 < c3p0> it has a bad record
2008-04-27 15:09 < jdelanoy> yahoo is a criminal?
2008-04-27 15:10 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-27 15:10 < c3p0> see above
2008-04-27 15:10 < wimt> c3p0, I suggest you don't use the internet, since I'm sure lots of your packets to all kinds of websites are passing via Yahoo servers around the world.
2008-04-27 15:10 < jdelanoy> then why are they resisting microsoft?
2008-04-27 15:10 < The359> You're talking to me through Yahoo right now
2008-04-27 15:10 < bumm13> microsoft is criminal^3
2008-04-27 15:10 < bumm13> ;)
2008-04-27 15:10 < jdelanoy> thats what I said
2008-04-27 15:10 < c3p0> it's ironic, i WANT to go to wp
2008-04-27 15:10 < bumm13> that's not irony
2008-04-27 15:10 < Fennec> c3p0: it's stupid.
2008-04-27 15:11 < The359> hmmm
2008-04-27 15:11 < Fennec> c3p0: if you'd like, go modify your DNS settings
2008-04-27 15:11 < jdelanoy> you have no control where your packets go
2008-04-27 15:11 < The359> any admin care to semi-protect [[Danica Patrick]]
2008-04-27 15:11 < c3p0> but yah00 force me to go to yah0o k0rea?
2008-04-27 15:11 < bumm13> ...
2008-04-27 15:11 < The359> Random IPs are adding sexual remarks all over the page
2008-04-27 15:11 < jdelanoy> they will take whatever path is fastest
2008-04-27 15:11 < The359> and links to beastiality websites...
2008-04-27 15:11 < c3p0> i even use tor, they just don;t let me in
2008-04-27 15:11 < bumm13> and Korea = closer to Asia than U.S. and Netherlands
2008-04-27 15:11 < Fennec> c3p0: modify your DNS settings so that wikipedia addresses resolve to another cluster. It's technically quite doable.
2008-04-27 15:11 < bumm13> that's nonsense
2008-04-27 15:12 < c3p0> i can get in only at the first time
2008-04-27 15:12 < Fennec> sounds like a Tor setup problem.
2008-04-27 15:12 < bumm13> you can't *edit* WP with tor, but that's an unrelated issue
2008-04-27 15:12 < bumm13> and has nothing to do with Yahoo
2008-04-27 15:12 < The359> !admin need a semi-protect
2008-04-27 15:12 < c3p0> they cut off the server then changed the setup
2008-04-27 15:12 < bumm13> (with two "o's"
2008-04-27 15:12 < bumm13> )
2008-04-27 15:12 < kibble> !The359 RFPP :-P
2008-04-27 15:12 < c3p0> now, i cannot get into wp with tor
2008-04-27 15:12 < The359> Takes too long
2008-04-27 15:12 < bumm13> c3p0: whatever
2008-04-27 15:12 < stwalkerster> The359: what?
2008-04-27 15:12 < stwalkerster> where?
2008-04-27 15:13 < Fennec> c3p0: /join #tor and ask for tech support there :P
2008-04-27 15:13 < The359> [[Danica Patrick]]
2008-04-27 15:13 < The359> IPs keep adding sexual remarks to the article
2008-04-27 15:13 < The359> and links to beastiality websites
2008-04-27 15:13 < The359> captioning photos about how she "wants to get fucked" and such
2008-04-27 15:13 < c3p0> i don't edit wp articles, i just read
2008-04-27 15:13 < jdelanoy> im not an admin, but I will moniter it with huggle if that helps
2008-04-27 15:13 < wimt> c3p0, then tor would work fine if you set it up properly.
2008-04-27 15:13 < Fennec> c3p0: The Wikimedia foundation is not responsible for the setup and maintence of the Tor network or difficulties arising from its use except insofar as they will not allow you to edit Wikipedia using traffic from Tor exit nodes.
2008-04-27 15:14 < bumm13> and again, that's not related to Yahoo
2008-04-27 15:14 < kibble> omg, Fennec is here O_O
2008-04-27 15:14 < c3p0> i have tried many exit points... but
2008-04-27 15:14 < c3p0> no way
2008-04-27 15:14 < bumm13> c3p0 - we are unable to further assist you, sorry
2008-04-27 15:14 < Fennec> c3p0: /join #tor.
2008-04-27 15:14 < The359> if you don't want to use Yahoo servers, don't use Wikipedia
2008-04-27 15:15 < bumm13> howdy kibble
2008-04-27 15:15 < kibble> heya bumm13
2008-04-27 15:15 < jdelanoy> packets will take the path of least resistance no matter what
2008-04-27 15:15 < The359> you're closest to Korea
2008-04-27 15:15 < The359> so that's where it goes
2008-04-27 15:15 < bumm13> like water flowing downstream ;)
2008-04-27 15:15 < c3p0> The159, why should i take your words?
2008-04-27 15:15 < bumm13> ...
2008-04-27 15:15 < jdelanoy> so if they go to China or *gasp* yahoo, they will
2008-04-27 15:15 < The359> take my words?
2008-04-27 15:15 < The359> you're the one saying it's going to Korea
2008-04-27 15:15 < c3p0> if you're a cheap ccp
2008-04-27 15:15 < The359> you're in Taiwan from what I see
2008-04-27 15:16 < The359> Not that big of a distance between the two
2008-04-27 15:16 < bumm13> ccp?
2008-04-27 15:16 < c3p0> i will look like a dummy
2008-04-27 15:16 < Fennec> c3p0: if you don't believe our answers to your questions, perhaps you shouldn't bother asking them!
2008-04-27 15:16 < bumm13> you already do ;p
2008-04-27 15:16 < c3p0> where is your manners?
2008-04-27 15:16 < jdelanoy> bumm13: at least he st0pped using zer0s
2008-04-27 15:16 < stwalkerster> The359: nobody appears to be active there right now, I'd say there was time to take it to RFPP.
2008-04-27 15:16 < Fennec> c3p0: where are your grammar?
2008-04-27 15:17 < bumm13> jdelanoy: heh
2008-04-27 15:17 < jdelanoy> fennec: nice
2008-04-27 15:18 < bumm13> it hit the breaking point ;p
2008-04-27 15:18 < bumm13> *I
2008-04-27 15:18 < jdelanoy> what did?
2008-04-27 15:18 < bumm13> I
2008-04-27 15:18 < jdelanoy> oh,
2008-04-27 15:18 < jdelanoy> man I'm thick...
2008-04-27 15:18 < bumm13> it finally hit total conversational decay
2008-04-27 15:19 < jdelanoy> imagine that
2008-04-27 15:19 < Lucifer_Cat> its quite apparent that u've hit the breaking point
2008-04-27 15:19 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-27 15:19 * bumm13 licks Lucifer_Cat (wasn't laughing at your comment)
2008-04-27 15:19 * Lucifer_Cat purra
2008-04-27 15:19 < Lucifer_Cat> *purrs
2008-04-27 15:19 * Looooooooong_Cat purrs
2008-04-27 15:19 < bumm13> once it degenerates into random emotive statements....
2008-04-27 15:20 < jdelanoy> does the top entry here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MostRevisions) surprise anyone?
2008-04-27 15:20 < bumm13> not one bit
2008-04-27 15:20 < Looooooooong_Cat> nope
2008-04-27 15:20 < bumm13> I'm actually surprised more about the #2 item
2008-04-27 15:21 < jdelanoy> yeah, but most people vandalize whatever comes to their mind first
2008-04-27 15:21 < bumm13> RuneScape at #10? I thought a lot of people disliked RuneScape?
2008-04-27 15:21 < Lucifer_Cat> jdelanoy: is it something about some religion/scientific issue?
2008-04-27 15:21 < jdelanoy> no
2008-04-27 15:21 < jdelanoy> im just bored
2008-04-27 15:21 < Lucifer_Cat> then i would be surprised.
2008-04-27 15:21 < bumm13> what else makes people argumentative? :-)
2008-04-27 15:21 < Lucifer_Cat> heh.
2008-04-27 15:22 < bumm13> heh, Canada at #12
2008-04-27 15:22 < Lucifer_Cat> and its 11K more than number 2. which is surprising to
2008-04-27 15:22 < bumm13> ick! #14
2008-04-27 15:22 < bumm13> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
2008-04-27 15:22 < ST47> ...
2008-04-27 15:22 < Lucifer_Cat> \o/ India at 16
2008-04-27 15:23 < jdelanoy> also, while were on the subject of weird things, why isnt this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3AClueBot&year=&month=-1) empty?
2008-04-27 15:23 * Lucifer_Cat wonders if ST47 gets buzzed every time theres a character repeated beyond reason
2008-04-27 15:23 < bumm13> Cat at #83, Dog at #99 ;)
2008-04-27 15:23 < jdelanoy> cats are more popular, guess that proves it
2008-04-27 15:24 < jdelanoy> or maybe their just easier to make fun of
2008-04-27 15:24 < bumm13> online, they are
2008-04-27 15:24 < bumm13> after Dog....how appropriate, it's Bill O'Reilly (commentator) ;p
2008-04-27 15:24 < Lucifer_Cat> i wonder how many times has the India article been vandalized
2008-04-27 15:25 * Fennec sees Scientology on that list. yep.
2008-04-27 15:25 < Fennec> Scientology is a fun article.
2008-04-27 15:25 < Fennec> the citations alone
2008-04-27 15:25 < jdelanoy> i like how the United States is higher than Jesus
2008-04-27 15:25 < Fennec> Of the many new religious movements to appear during the 20th century, the Church of Scientology has, from its inception, been one of the most controversial, coming into conflict with the governments and police forces of several countries (including the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada[128] and Germany) numerous times over the years.[129][130][131][132][133][131][134][135][136][137][138][139]
2008-04-27 15:26 < jdelanoy> whoa