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2008-04-21 06:48 < PolecatVlad> wait
2008-04-21 06:49 < snowolf> ?
2008-04-21 06:49 < PolecatVlad> oh, nm
2008-04-21 06:50 < bumm13> :x
2008-04-21 06:52 < Lycurgus> verwirrte deutsche
2008-04-21 07:34 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-04-21 07:47 < A_Bach> !seen Leinad
2008-04-21 07:49 < Gambit> !deceased
2008-04-21 07:55 < JessicaTaylor> !what is this
2008-04-21 08:03 < Lycurgus> !ghostBotChannel2Channel
2008-04-21 08:18 < pengo> what's a technical term for lizards dropping their tails?
2008-04-21 08:19 < Gambit> retreat !! :P
2008-04-21 08:21 < bumm13> shedding?
2008-04-21 08:21 < bumm13> molting?
2008-04-21 08:21 < Mike_H> Sade?
2008-04-21 08:22 < pengo> hmm
2008-04-21 08:23 < Mike_H> bumm13: oh, breaking news from the Middle East
2008-04-21 08:23 < Mike_H> JERUSALEM - Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that Hamas ? the Islamic militant group that has called for the destruction of Israel ? is prepared to accept the right of the Jewish state to "live as a neighbor next door in peace."
2008-04-21 08:24 < bumm13> whatever
2008-04-21 08:24 < Mike_H> We're moving one step closer to peace in the Middle East and you say whatever?
2008-04-21 08:25 < bumm13> yes
2008-04-21 08:25 < Rinn> We're *always* moving one step closer to peace in the Middle East. Let me know when we actually get there.
2008-04-21 08:25 < pengo> are we there yet?
2008-04-21 08:25 < pengo> are we there yet?
2008-04-21 08:25 < kenlyric> how many Nobel Peace prizes have been given for moving closer to peace in the middle east.
2008-04-21 08:25 < Rinn> I've told you a thousand times, we'll get there when we get there!
2008-04-21 08:26 < kenlyric> 2? 3?
2008-04-21 08:32 < JessicaTaylor> night night everyone
2008-04-21 08:45 < zyx386> hi
2008-04-21 08:45 < zyx386> how can i publich article with RTL direction?
2008-04-21 08:47 < Rinn> Rock the Loo?
2008-04-21 08:47 < zyx386> how can i set the directin to Right to left
2008-04-21 08:47 < Rinn> Rolling Tyrant Laser?
2008-04-21 08:48 < zyx386> Rinn, what you talking about?!!!
2008-04-21 08:49 < Rinn> It's best to just ignore me.
2008-04-21 08:50 < zyx386> i ignore anyone :)
2008-04-21 08:50 < zyx386> i have this question
2008-04-21 08:50 < Rinn> Roswell Tillers' League
2008-04-21 08:51 < Rinn> Rise, Typing Lilacs!
2008-04-21 08:57 < ST47> LD
2008-04-21 08:57 < ST47> :D
2008-04-21 08:57 < ST47> *
2008-04-21 08:57 < bumm13> hiya ST47
2008-04-21 08:57 < Gambit> o_O
2008-04-21 09:26 * quanticle back
2008-04-21 09:27 < bumm13> \o/
2008-04-21 09:30 < quanticle> Hiya bumm13
2008-04-21 09:32 < bumm13> howdy
2008-04-21 09:33 < cimon> present and accounted for...
2008-04-21 10:23 < Sponge> Oi! Need a bit of quick advice from someone who speaks The Queen's English...
2008-04-21 10:23 * Werdna speaks en-au, if that helps
2008-04-21 10:23 < Sponge> You call it a flare or a fusee? The burning things used for signaling/warning?
2008-04-21 10:24 < Sponge> Or throwing into the opposite stands at a football match... heh.
2008-04-21 10:24 < Werdna> flare
2008-04-21 10:27 < chesire_cat> queen's english ? :)
2008-04-21 10:27 < Werdna> en-uk
2008-04-21 10:27 < chesire_cat> in an american encyclopedia ?:-P
2008-04-21 10:28 < Sponge> Huh... Infrared chemical lightsticks...
2008-04-21 10:28 < Sponge> chesire_cat: yes, sometimes. :)
2008-04-21 10:46 < quanticle> Chatkill
2008-04-21 10:56 < zocky> http://www.bluecirclet.com/2008/53 <--- funny
2008-04-21 11:01 < chesire_cat> lol
2008-04-21 11:01 < chesire_cat> german vampires
2008-04-21 11:04 * SynergeticMag yawns
2008-04-21 11:04 * Werdna throws candy into SynergeticMag's momentarily open mouth
2008-04-21 11:04 < SynergeticMag> ack
2008-04-21 11:04 < SynergeticMag> O.o
2008-04-21 11:05 < SynergeticMag> hows it going werdna?
2008-04-21 11:05 < Werdna> okay
2008-04-21 11:05 < chesire_cat> werdna ?
2008-04-21 11:05 * Werdna hides from chesire_cat
2008-04-21 11:05 < arcimboldo_> Cheshire?
2008-04-21 11:05 < chesire_cat> like the cheese
2008-04-21 11:05 < chesire_cat> well not quite
2008-04-21 11:06 * chesire_cat grins
2008-04-21 11:06 < SynergeticMag> he is kind of cheesy...
2008-04-21 11:06 < chesire_cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Cat
2008-04-21 11:07 < SynergeticMag> i hate waking up to find someone has reverted me, and then you leave a comment and theres that long period where you wait for them to respond
2008-04-21 11:07 < SynergeticMag> before you revert their revert
2008-04-21 11:09 < chesire_cat> is it wikipedia or is it the world's largest revision list ?
2008-04-21 11:09 < SynergeticMag> wp:AFD
2008-04-21 11:09 < SynergeticMag> so both
2008-04-21 11:09 < chesire_cat> hehe
2008-04-21 11:10 < chesire_cat> are the notability wars flaring up again ?
2008-04-21 11:10 < chesire_cat> maybe i should create an lemma of that name
2008-04-21 11:11 < chesire_cat> however it surely will get deleted due not being notable and being redundant :)
2008-04-21 11:11 < SynergeticMag> no, i close them, and when some other non admin overturns it, they dont take it to drv like i request, they just overturn it
2008-04-21 11:11 < chesire_cat> close what ?
2008-04-21 11:11 < SynergeticMag> afd's
2008-04-21 11:12 < chesire_cat> the wars ?
2008-04-21 11:12 < chesire_cat> oh
2008-04-21 11:12 * SynergeticMag is a controversial closer
2008-04-21 11:13 < chesire_cat> to my experience 90-95% are correct, but the remaing 5% can be an annoyance
2008-04-21 11:14 < SynergeticMag> not one of my closes have resulted in a delete
2008-04-21 11:14 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SynergeticMaggot/AfD
2008-04-21 11:14 < chesire_cat> what is a close ?
2008-04-21 11:14 < chesire_cat> deciding on the arguments for a requested deletion ?
2008-04-21 11:14 < SynergeticMag> yup
2008-04-21 11:16 * SynergeticMag NP: Catch 22 - What goes around
2008-04-21 11:18 < chesire_cat> ic
2008-04-21 11:22 < cimon> bumm13, you here?
2008-04-21 11:23 < Mark_Ryan> I'm here for you, cimon
2008-04-21 11:23 < cimon> Mark_Ryan, Sorry, wrong climate...
2008-04-21 11:23 < cimon> no offence, mate
2008-04-21 11:23 < Mark_Ryan> cimon, no, I mean, I'm here for you
2008-04-21 11:23 * Mark_Ryan hugs cimon
2008-04-21 11:24 < cimon> Mark_Ryan, we have had some long running conversations about conifers with bumm13 here n the channelll.
2008-04-21 11:25 < Mark_Ryan> oh? I like conifers
2008-04-21 11:25 < cimon> I sort of think you have more ironwood and eucalyptus there
2008-04-21 11:25 < Mark_Ryan> although sometimes here they suddenly die
2008-04-21 11:25 < Mark_Ryan> which sucks if they're part of a hedge
2008-04-21 11:26 < cimon> Ironwood is australian/new zealandean, right?
2008-04-21 11:26 < Mark_Ryan> i think so. not from here though
2008-04-21 11:26 < Mark_Ryan> Jarrah is my local tree
2008-04-21 11:27 < cimon> I just found an Irenwood staff in my computer game this morning...
2008-04-21 11:27 < cimon> I forget what it turned out to be when I identified it...
2008-04-21 11:27 * kila waves to Mark_Ryan
2008-04-21 11:27 < cimon> I rather suspect it was the staff of darkness.
2008-04-21 11:28 < Mark_Ryan> hi kila :)
2008-04-21 11:28 < kila> =]
2008-04-21 11:28 < Mark_Ryan> cimon, you play computer games?
2008-04-21 11:28 < Mark_Ryan> kila, I hear you're getting married
2008-04-21 11:28 < kila> Mark_Ryan: oh really. where'd you hear this from?
2008-04-21 11:29 < Mark_Ryan> you know. er. your mum
2008-04-21 11:29 < cimon> yeppers, it had to be the staff of darkness, because I have only found that and a staff of treasure location...
2008-04-21 11:29 < Mark_Ryan> this is where you're supposed to trip up and say "wtf omg who told you??"
2008-04-21 11:29 < Mark_Ryan> cimon, what game?
2008-04-21 11:29 < cimon> Mark_Ryan, you are too young to know it...
2008-04-21 11:29 < cimon> uMoria
2008-04-21 11:29 * Mark_Ryan blinks
2008-04-21 11:29 < kila> Mark_Ryan: :P meh. you can come to the ceremony.. will be nearish to my bench, methinks
2008-04-21 11:30 < Mark_Ryan> you're right. i don't know it
2008-04-21 11:30 < Mark_Ryan> kila, I've visited Kings Park like 3 times in the past few weeks :D
2008-04-21 11:30 < kila> Mark_Ryan: why!?
2008-04-21 11:31 < kila> Mark_Ryan: you should definitely swing by. Bench number 13.
2008-04-21 11:31 < Mark_Ryan> first couple times was meeting up with friends for a barbeque/dinner at botanical cafe, last time was doing a long punishing walk with my parents
2008-04-21 11:31 < Mark_Ryan> well, punishing for them
2008-04-21 11:31 < kila> wow. what did you do wrong? ;)
2008-04-21 11:32 < Mark_Ryan> nothing. i was fine. i was punishing them
2008-04-21 11:32 < Mark_Ryan> they're unfit.
2008-04-21 11:32 < kila> I used to run from home (uuhh my bench ;)) to kings park
2008-04-21 11:32 < Mark_Ryan> i managed to go up the DNA tower afterwards, they just sat at the bottom and panted
2008-04-21 11:32 < kila> teeeheee.
2008-04-21 11:32 < Mark_Ryan> it's a bit depressing, really
2008-04-21 11:32 < kila> :(
2008-04-21 11:33 < cimon> In any case, bumm13; if you return to keyboard, here, just for you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7353357.stm
2008-04-21 11:33 < Mark_Ryan> corryne rayney's body was found there, as was the body of that UWA student who went missing
2008-04-21 11:33 < kila> mmm I should go again.. its just an effort....
2008-04-21 11:33 < kila> ohhh Mark_Ryan did you hear about the man who bashed his defacto wife?
2008-04-21 11:33 < kila> and she died the other day?
2008-04-21 11:33 < MessedRocker> "bashed"
2008-04-21 11:33 < Mark_Ryan> kila, not off the top of my head
2008-04-21 11:33 < MessedRocker> as in, beaten her?
2008-04-21 11:34 < MessedRocker> or put her on bash.org?
2008-04-21 11:34 * SynergeticMag NP: Fall Out Boy- Thanks For The Memories
2008-04-21 11:34 < kila> as in beat her with a mallet and brick.
2008-04-21 11:34 < SynergeticMag> DNA tower?
2008-04-21 11:34 < Mark_Ryan> wtf, no, i didn't hear that
2008-04-21 11:34 < Mark_Ryan> SynergeticMag: it's a double helix observation tower
2008-04-21 11:34 < SynergeticMag> ooh
2008-04-21 11:34 < SynergeticMag> now where is this located?
2008-04-21 11:34 < kila> Mark_Ryan: you did. i swear. unless you dont read the newspaper/ watch news'
2008-04-21 11:35 < Mark_Ryan> kila, it might have been saturday, when i was at a photo shoot
2008-04-21 11:35 < kila> BAHAH
2008-04-21 11:35 < Mark_Ryan> SynergeticMag: http://69.90.174.249/photos/display_pic_with_logo/1935/1935,1121146508,9.jpg
2008-04-21 11:35 < Mark_Ryan> it's in Perth
2008-04-21 11:36 < Mark_Ryan> kila, what were you going to say about her, in any event?
2008-04-21 11:36 < SynergeticMag> i'm geologically inept, where is Perth?
2008-04-21 11:37 < MessedRocker> Australia
2008-04-21 11:37 < ideogram> australia
2008-04-21 11:37 < Mark_Ryan> geologically, it's on a sandy substratum
2008-04-21 11:37 < ideogram> hahahaha
2008-04-21 11:37 < Not_the_NSA> O_O
2008-04-21 11:37 * SynergeticMag wishes it was closer to the US
2008-04-21 11:37 < kila> Mark_Ryan: oh yeh. So he beat her and then handed himself into police etc and she died a few days later in SCGH. I met them O_O
2008-04-21 11:37 < MessedRocker> CANS
2008-04-21 11:37 < Mark_Ryan> it's on the west coast of Australia. it's the Los Angeles of Australia, only with far fewer people, less pollution and better beaches
2008-04-21 11:38 < Mark_Ryan> oh, and no huge seismic fault right up our arses
2008-04-21 11:38 < Mark_Ryan> kila: OH, yes i remember hearing about that
2008-04-21 11:38 < SynergeticMag> Mark_Ryan: sounds tempting
2008-04-21 11:39 < IceKarma> kila, I found out (entirely too early this morning) a longtime friend of mine committed suicide last week.
2008-04-21 11:39 < kila> Mark_Ryan: ah.. :P
2008-04-21 11:39 < kila> :(
2008-04-21 11:39 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma, I'm sorry to hear that
2008-04-21 11:39 < kila> Well this bitch was freaking weird. Drank too much. Bitchy. Only met them once.. urgh.
2008-04-21 11:40 < IceKarma> on the other hand, in the fourteen years I've been online, I've only fallen out of contact with three people (that I'm aware of) due to their death
2008-04-21 11:41 < IceKarma> on the other other hand, 2/3rds of my (admittedly too small) sample have committed suicide
2008-04-21 11:41 < IceKarma> this should probably all add up to something, but I don't really know what yet.
2008-04-21 11:41 < kila> wow. I hear about people I know dying quite often in the last year or so.. A news reader whose mum I had teach me and hence met her... and a girl I knew from school who died of a brain tumour.
2008-04-21 11:41 < kila> IceKarma: maybe xkcd will have a cartoon explaining...
2008-04-21 11:42 < IceKarma> kila, I hang out there, too, maybe I should ask him
2008-04-21 11:42 < kila> Indeed.
2008-04-21 11:42 < Mark_Ryan> kila, charmaine dragun dying was so sad
2008-04-21 11:42 < kila> Mark_Ryan: indeed. kind of a loss you wouldnt anticipate to mean so much.
2008-04-21 11:43 < IceKarma> who was Charmaine Dragun?
2008-04-21 11:44 < kila> She was a local news reader (who read news from the opposite side of the country) who commited suicide.
2008-04-21 11:44 < Mark_Ryan> she was the main newsreader for Perth for one of the big 3 tv networks, for several years
2008-04-21 11:44 < Mark_Ryan> she did the perth news from sydney away from all her friends
2008-04-21 11:44 < Mark_Ryan> and family
2008-04-21 11:44 < Mark_Ryan> and ended up throwing herself off The Gap in Sydney
2008-04-21 11:45 < Mark_Ryan> it was sad, she was one of my favourite TV personalities
2008-04-21 11:45 < kila> :(
2008-04-21 11:45 < Mark_Ryan> but what was more sad was seeing her family on TV
2008-04-21 11:45 < Mark_Ryan> suicide is so crap
2008-04-21 11:45 < kila> i loved how they pronounced her last name "Dragoon" and we called the teacher "Mrs Dragon"
2008-04-21 11:46 < Mark_Ryan> i guess getting school children to pronounce croatian surnames is a bit unreasonable :P
2008-04-21 11:46 < Mark_Ryan> although my year 2 teacher's surname was "przybysz" and I managed
2008-04-21 11:46 < kila> no.. it wasnt that. Thats how she said it was pronounced.
2008-04-21 11:47 < kila> lol
2008-04-21 11:47 < Cream> hiya :)
2008-04-21 11:47 < Cream> hiya :)
2008-04-21 11:47 < kila> Mark_Ryan: the most challenging i have probably had is kalajzich
2008-04-21 11:47 * Cream huggles tawker
2008-04-21 11:48 < Mark_Ryan> przybysz was pronounced 'prer-sher-bish'
2008-04-21 11:48 < Mark_Ryan> or something like that
2008-04-21 11:48 < kila> thats rediculous.
2008-04-21 11:49 < kila> Mark_Ryan: i got woken up at 7.45am this morning from a doctor looking for my dad O_O
2008-04-21 11:49 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, Przybysz would be Polish
2008-04-21 11:49 < Mark_Ryan> yep
2008-04-21 11:49 < Mark_Ryan> kila, that sucks
2008-04-21 11:49 < Mark_Ryan> no sleep in for you
2008-04-21 11:50 < kila> Mark_Ryan: No :( On that note, I shall be off now :)
2008-04-21 11:50 < kila> Night
2008-04-21 11:50 < Mark_Ryan> good night
2008-04-21 11:50 < Working_Cat> killa
2008-04-21 11:50 * Working_Cat huggles Mark_Ryan
2008-04-21 11:50 * kila kills Working_Cat
2008-04-21 11:51 * Cream huggles Working_Cat
2008-04-21 11:51 < Mark_Ryan> stop having the snuggle orgies
2008-04-21 11:51 < Cream> snuggle orgies?
2008-04-21 11:51 < Mark_Ryan> it's unhealthy
2008-04-21 11:51 < Working_Cat> -5 to Cream for huggling a dead car
2008-04-21 11:51 < Cream> who aked for one
2008-04-21 11:51 < Working_Cat> cat*
2008-04-21 11:51 < Working_Cat> Mark_Ryan: we are huggling, not snuggling
2008-04-21 11:52 < Working_Cat> huggling does not last beyond a few seconds. snuggling is huggling extended for atleast a 10 minutes
2008-04-21 11:52 < Working_Cat> and i tried to tab complete huggle and snuggle. wtf.
2008-04-21 11:52 < Mark_Ryan> snuggling may or may not involve bodily fluids
2008-04-21 11:52 < Axeman> aargghhh
2008-04-21 11:53 < Axeman> This really sucks...
2008-04-21 11:53 * SynergeticMag NP:Sublime - Summertime
2008-04-21 11:53 < Looooooooong_Cat> moar cats?
2008-04-21 11:53 < Working_Cat> hey Rustix
2008-04-21 11:53 < Axeman> :D
2008-04-21 11:53 < Working_Cat> hey Maggot
2008-04-21 11:53 < Axeman> hey crap-for-brains
2008-04-21 11:53 < Working_Cat> hey Shortie
2008-04-21 11:53 < Axeman> hey shawty
2008-04-21 11:53 < Axeman> aargh
2008-04-21 11:53 < SynergeticMag> hey working_cat
2008-04-21 11:53 < Working_Cat> heh heh
2008-04-21 11:55 < Looooooooong_Cat> who wants a omlet?
2008-04-21 11:55 < Mark_Ryan> swiss cheese
2008-04-21 11:55 < Mark_Ryan> mmm
2008-04-21 11:55 < Mark_Ryan> i always have swiss cheese in my subway subs
2008-04-21 11:55 < Working_Cat> me does
2008-04-21 11:56 < Looooooooong_Cat> :)
2008-04-21 11:56 * SynergeticMag prefers white american on subway subs
2008-04-21 11:56 < Working_Cat> racist
2008-04-21 11:56 < SynergeticMag> hah
2008-04-21 11:56 < SynergeticMag> no chance...
2008-04-21 11:57 < Working_Cat> i always ask for swiss cuz i feel like the subway guy/gal will stab me if i take more than 2 seconds to decide
2008-04-21 11:57 < Mark_Ryan> i went to Singapore and felt ripped off because there was no choice in the type of cheese. The woman was like "Cheese?" and I said "Swiss", and she looked confused and said "Cheese?" and I said "yes"
2008-04-21 11:58 < Working_Cat> heh heh heh, yeah Mark_Ryan, that will happen a lot in Asis
2008-04-21 11:58 < Working_Cat> Asia
2008-04-21 11:58 < Mark_Ryan> :P
2008-04-21 11:59 < Mark_Ryan> i happen to know they import cheese from where I live
2008-04-21 11:59 * SynergeticMag needs some suggestion as to what music he should d/l next
2008-04-21 11:59 < Mark_Ryan> because I get it in aeroplane meals on Singapore Airlines
2008-04-21 11:59 < Mark_Ryan> flying out of Singapore
2008-04-21 12:00 < Working_Cat> Mark_Ryan: i know some people who would think you are a freak if you told them that theres different kinds of cheese
2008-04-21 12:00 < SynergeticMag> theres a joke somewhere.....i can feel it
2008-04-21 12:00 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: look within. failing that, look into the mirror. you will see one.
2008-04-21 12:01 < Mark_Ryan> Working_Cat: make them eat some of that maggot-infested cheese and then ask them
2008-04-21 12:01 < SynergeticMag> i cant see my reflection! oh god! why has thou forsaken this lonely maggot!
2008-04-21 12:01 < Working_Cat> Mark_Ryan: i would, if only SynergeticMag co-operated
2008-04-21 12:01 * SynergeticMag squirms
2008-04-21 12:01 * SynergeticMag likes old cheese
2008-04-21 12:01 < Working_Cat> for wasting oatmeal and trashing bowls
2008-04-21 12:01 < SynergeticMag> bah
2008-04-21 12:03 < SynergeticMag> Working_Cat: don't be surprised one morning you wake to find out that the crunching sound you are making while walking on your floor is the sound of maggots poping at the pressure of your step
2008-04-21 12:04 < SynergeticMag> thats the longest statement i've made in here, ever
2008-04-21 12:04 < SynergeticMag> ;
2008-04-21 12:04 < SynergeticMag> ;)
2008-04-21 12:04 < Working_Cat> i've stepped on maggots and they aint crunchy.
2008-04-21 12:04 < Mark_Ryan> squishy
2008-04-21 12:04 < Working_Cat> also, theyre squishy and taste sour
2008-04-21 12:05 < Axeman> O_O
2008-04-21 12:05 < Axeman> oh dear god
2008-04-21 12:05 < SynergeticMag> like lemmonheads?
2008-04-21 12:05 < Axeman> this room is a disaster
2008-04-21 12:05 < SynergeticMag> reform!
2008-04-21 12:05 * Axeman is talking about the physical room he's standing in, IRL
2008-04-21 12:05 < Axeman> yeah... for the last 10 years, nobody ever bothered to clean up
2008-04-21 12:05 < Axeman> it's like...
2008-04-21 12:05 < Axeman> and I have this problem with book covers
2008-04-21 12:05 < SynergeticMag> so do i..
2008-04-21 12:06 < Axeman> you know, the little jacket gimmicks that books come in
2008-04-21 12:06 < Axeman> so I took all of them off
2008-04-21 12:06 < Axeman> there's a shit-ton pile of them in the corner
2008-04-21 12:06 < SynergeticMag> i do too, it gets inthe way of reading
2008-04-21 12:06 < Axeman> there's like 50 of them
2008-04-21 12:06 < Axeman> O_o
2008-04-21 12:06 < SynergeticMag> well, i only have two out right now: a physics book and The God Delusion
2008-04-21 12:06 < SynergeticMag> ;)
2008-04-21 12:07 < SynergeticMag> the rest are in the trash
2008-04-21 12:07 < SynergeticMag> with my old bowls
2008-04-21 12:07 < Looooooooong_Cat> edeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelicious!
2008-04-21 12:08 < Axeman> luckily...
2008-04-21 12:09 < Axeman> well, the whole houes is a clusterfuck
2008-04-21 12:09 < Axeman> long story short, me+dad+uncle+grandma are living in the same grody, ass-trocious house
2008-04-21 12:09 < Axeman> which hasn't been cleaned in the last 10 years
2008-04-21 12:09 < Axeman> dard and I are moving in
2008-04-21 12:10 < Axeman> and the whole house is... fucking disaster zone
2008-04-21 12:10 < Axeman> tbqh
2008-04-21 12:11 < Working_Cat> Axekid, how old are you?
2008-04-21 12:18 < David|away> SyntheticMag: woot!
2008-04-21 12:18 < David|away> the God Delusion
2008-04-21 12:18 < David|away> amazing book
2008-04-21 12:20 < Lycurgus> you are easily amused.
2008-04-21 12:20 < Lycurgus> *bemused.
2008-04-21 12:21 < Lycurgus> Axeperson is c. 23.
2008-04-21 12:22 < Working_Cat> still lives with dad and grandma
2008-04-21 12:26 < cimon> David|away, That isn't the one by Hitchens, is it?
2008-04-21 12:26 < Working_Cat> no
2008-04-21 12:26 < cimon> good
2008-04-21 12:27 < Working_Cat> Richard Dawkins
2008-04-21 12:28 < SynergeticMag> hitchens wrote God is not Great
2008-04-21 12:28 < SynergeticMag> which i also own
2008-04-21 12:32 < Working_Cat> you just hate god dont you
2008-04-21 12:34 < cimon> hmm. hating is a form of elevation...
2008-04-21 12:35 < Lycurgus> it's OK to hate symptoms of ignorance, superstition, and backwardness ...
2008-04-21 12:35 < Lycurgus> just not the beings trapped in them.
2008-04-21 12:35 < Working_Cat> i didnt say it was okay or not okay
2008-04-21 12:35 < Lycurgus> no, I did.
2008-04-21 12:35 < TheLedBalloon> hey guys, I have a community question
2008-04-21 12:35 < TheLedBalloon> about the community
2008-04-21 12:36 < TheLedBalloon> a question about the community of wikipedia, you could say
2008-04-21 12:36 < Working_Cat> just ask
2008-04-21 12:36 < TheLedBalloon> very well
2008-04-21 12:36 < cimon> I still remember what we were told to do, when as children we would see things in the shadows of our bedroom...
2008-04-21 12:36 < Lycurgus> fun fact: "commun-X" derives from latin meaning to "wall in", did know this till yesterday.
2008-04-21 12:36 < TheLedBalloon> how is it that Uncyclopedia has gained a reputation for being a vandal-haven? Do you guys get a lot of vandals from there, or something?
2008-04-21 12:36 < Lycurgus> *didn't
2008-04-21 12:37 < cimon> ...we were told to come and consult own flesh and blood parents.
2008-04-21 12:37 < cimon> god etc. are good if you don't have parents that are viable as a source of security.
2008-04-21 12:37 < Working_Cat> or if you are just hedging your bets
2008-04-21 12:38 < Working_Cat> as long as you dont act like a jerk about it.
2008-04-21 12:38 * Lycurgus skakes head and walks away.
2008-04-21 12:39 < Working_Cat> in that case, even if there IS a god, and he/she is the one you 'believe' in, you are prettymuch screwed.
2008-04-21 12:39 < cimon> right, security to ones predilection to act like a jerk, and justify that, that is the yucky side...
2008-04-21 12:39 < Lycurgus> .oO(how can they possibly think lies about the essential nature of existence are "OK", unimportant, up to the individual, etc.)
2008-04-21 12:39 < TheLedBalloon> are you guys seriously debating the philosophy of religion?
2008-04-21 12:39 < Working_Cat> i meant more like a "moral support during bad times" kind of stuff, but a lot of people take it too far.
2008-04-21 12:39 < cimon> otoh, theodicy is just people doing the mirror image of that, justifying why god is such a SOB
2008-04-21 12:40 < TheLedBalloon> Jeez, I come here with an actual WP-related question
2008-04-21 12:40 < TheLedBalloon> this is what I get
2008-04-21 12:40 < Working_Cat> TheLedBalloon: yeah, i'd say we are pretty serious.
2008-04-21 12:40 < TheLedBalloon> idealists arguing their trivial viewpoints to people who will never be swayed one way or the other
2008-04-21 12:40 < TheLedBalloon> it's an exercise in futility
2008-04-21 12:40 < Working_Cat> TheLedBalloon: who said we were arguing
2008-04-21 12:41 < TheLedBalloon> what are you doing if you aren't?
2008-04-21 12:41 < cimon> I think we are pretty much in agreement.
2008-04-21 12:41 < cimon> we are exploring
2008-04-21 12:42 < TheLedBalloon> mhmm
2008-04-21 12:42 < TheLedBalloon> well, I'm gonna try to find a wikipedia-related channel
2008-04-21 12:42 < TheLedBalloon> later
2008-04-21 12:43 < cimon> I don't quite see how asking us about Uncyclopaedia is that deeply wikipedia related...
2008-04-21 12:48 < Working_Cat> lol we are doing a pretty good job of turning back bitter noobs and potential trolls. pushing them right over the edge into vandalism.
2008-04-21 12:48 < Working_Cat> be back later.
2008-04-21 13:08 < markie> Just a quick reminder that Wikimania 2008 Scholarships close today @ 23.59 UTC. See http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships for more information. Thanks
2008-04-21 13:15 < zocky> wiki dead?
2008-04-21 13:15 < PolecatVlad> de.wiki is down.
2008-04-21 13:16 < zocky> which means "down in europe"
2008-04-21 13:16 < PolecatVlad> Scratch that, all of em are.
2008-04-21 13:19 < PolecatVlad> Back up
2008-04-21 13:19 < Working_Cat> what???
2008-04-21 13:21 < Working_Cat> anyone alive?
2008-04-21 13:21 < markie> whatwhat?
2008-04-21 13:22 * quanticle is here
2008-04-21 13:26 * quanticle almost wishes someone would troll the channel, just to make things interesting.
2008-04-21 13:35 * Working_Cat trolls
2008-04-21 13:35 * Cream trolls
2008-04-21 13:35 < The_sunder_king> O_O
2008-04-21 13:37 * quanticle feeds the trolls
2008-04-21 13:37 * Cream makes foie gras with quanticle
2008-04-21 13:38 < PolecatVlad> Are you calling Quanticle fat?
2008-04-21 13:38 < quanticle> Foie Gras? I'm not a goose.
2008-04-21 13:38 < zocky> Romani ite domum (forma falsa: Romanes eunt domus) est quotatio ex pellicula de Pytho Montium scripta Vita Briani.
2008-04-21 13:38 < quanticle> zocky: In English?
2008-04-21 13:38 < quanticle> zocky: Is that Latin?
2008-04-21 13:38 < zocky> quanticle, that's from vicipaedia, yes
2008-04-21 13:39 < quanticle> Ah. I thought so. What does it say?
2008-04-21 13:39 < zocky> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_ite_domum
2008-04-21 13:39 < zocky> "romani ite domum" (false form: romanes eunt domus) is a quotation from the film Life of Brian written by Monty Python
2008-04-21 13:41 < VasilievVV> Any checkuser around?
2008-04-21 13:42 < quanticle> VasilievVV: I don't think so. Not too many CUs monitor this channel.
2008-04-21 13:42 < VasilievVV> :(
2008-04-21 13:43 < Working_Cat> lol i got the Monty Python part before i read the xlation
2008-04-21 13:44 < Working_Cat> btw on the topic of trolls.. wheres notacow
2008-04-21 13:44 < quanticle> Heh. I haven't seen Life of Brian - I've just seen Holy Grail and a lot of the smaller skits.
2008-04-21 13:45 < MBV2> he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
2008-04-21 13:45 < Working_Cat> i loved the camouflage skit
2008-04-21 13:50 < Working_Cat> is there anybody out there?
2008-04-21 13:50 < zocky> here i am
2008-04-21 13:50 < zocky> floating in my tin can
2008-04-21 13:50 * Working_Cat pushes tin
2008-04-21 13:52 < zocky> <<In "Space Oddity", on the 1969 album also titled Space Oddity, Major Tom's departure from Earth is successful and everything goes according to plan, but then he loses contact with Ground Control. Bowie followed up the story of Major Tom on the 1980 song "Ashes to Ashes" in which Tom is now a junkie "strung out on heaven's high.">>
2008-04-21 13:52 < zocky> mmm, wikipedia is sometimes clueless
2008-04-21 13:52 < zocky> major tom is a junky all along
2008-04-21 13:52 < zocky> everybody knew that before ashes to ashes came out
2008-04-21 13:53 < zocky> <<Although "Major Tom" may be considered a metaphor for the different perspective of a person with an altered state of consciousness, whether through drugs or some other means, its overt reference is to a lost or stranded astronaut, and thus draws upon public awareness of the United States space program, which was well-known throughout the 1960s.>>
2008-04-21 13:56 < Cambrasa> d
2008-04-21 13:57 < str4nd> f
2008-04-21 13:57 < str4nd> oops, that was e
2008-04-21 14:02 < Working_Cat> fail
2008-04-21 14:05 * bumm13 pokes his head in
2008-04-21 14:06 * Working_Cat pokes bumm13 's eye out
2008-04-21 14:07 < zocky> 10 POKE 3242, 255
2008-04-21 14:07 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-21 14:07 < bumm13> ye olde computers
2008-04-21 14:08 < Working_Cat> 20 GOTO 10
2008-04-21 14:08 < bumm13> the first computer game I ever played was an old Integer BASIC deal on some Apple II machine
2008-04-21 14:10 * bumm13 hopes the weather is a tad better today
2008-04-21 14:10 < zocky> bumm13, no luck here
2008-04-21 14:10 < quanticle> bumm13: Where do you live?
2008-04-21 14:10 < zocky> yesterday was the only day in april without rain
2008-04-21 14:10 * quanticle has good weather, finally
2008-04-21 14:11 * quanticle just saw his first 70-degree day since las October.
2008-04-21 14:11 < bumm13> it's been unseasonably cool for these parts
2008-04-21 14:11 < bumm13> I don't think it's hit 70 F here yet
2008-04-21 14:11 < bumm13> although it got close on a couple of days
2008-04-21 14:11 < quanticle> bumm13: Really? I'm in Minnesota, and even we've seen 70.
2008-04-21 14:11 < bumm13> (21 C)
2008-04-21 14:12 < bumm13> I'm in Washington, Cascadia
2008-04-21 14:12 < MBV2> well I am next to a washington, in england...
2008-04-21 14:12 < bumm13> MBV2: ah, merry olde England :)
2008-04-21 14:12 < quanticle> bumm13: Ah. You guys are always around that 60-70 degree mark, aren't you.
2008-04-21 14:12 < bumm13> quanticle: always?
2008-04-21 14:12 < bumm13> not for most of the year ;)
2008-04-21 14:12 < zocky> hmmm, I see there's a lot of guessing about major tom on the internet
2008-04-21 14:13 < zocky> are all those people 12?
2008-04-21 14:13 < quanticle> bumm13: Well, in the summer, I guess.
2008-04-21 14:13 < zocky> it was obvious to me that it's a drug song first time I heard it
2008-04-21 14:13 < bumm13> yeah, on average
2008-04-21 14:13 < bumm13> sometimes in the 80s
2008-04-21 14:13 < bumm13> 90+ is high for this side of the Cascade Range (west)
2008-04-21 14:13 < quanticle> zocky: Heh. Its people that want to like the song without endorsing its almost overt pro-drugs message.
2008-04-21 14:14 < bumm13> I endorse it, it's a great song
2008-04-21 14:14 < quanticle> bumm13: How bad is it in the winter?
2008-04-21 14:14 < zocky> it's not really pro-drugs
2008-04-21 14:14 < bumm13> mild cold
2008-04-21 14:14 < zocky> it's neutral to drugs, but it's about drugs
2008-04-21 14:14 < bumm13> 35-45 F is typical
2008-04-21 14:14 < bumm13> although it can get colder
2008-04-21 14:14 < zocky> quanticle, but I know what you mean. I've seen people do that with beatles songs
2008-04-21 14:14 < bumm13> growing up, 20s F was really cold
2008-04-21 14:15 < bumm13> although in recent years it has dipped into the teens
2008-04-21 14:15 * bumm13 NP: Yardbirds - White Summer (live - 1968)
2008-04-21 14:15 < quanticle> bumm13: Heh. At some parts of the years around here we'd consider teens to be average.
2008-04-21 14:15 < zocky> "lucy in the sky with diamond is not about LSD! it's about a picture that julian drew for school."
2008-04-21 14:16 < bumm13> haha
2008-04-21 14:16 < zocky> err, and why did john think it was a funny picture with a funny title
2008-04-21 14:16 < zocky> ?
2008-04-21 14:16 < quanticle> zocky: Heh. Those people are amusing.
2008-04-21 14:16 < bumm13> kids are so cute at that age
2008-04-21 14:17 < quanticle> bumm13: Temperatures in the teens, on the other hand, are most definitely not cute.
2008-04-21 14:17 < bumm13> nope
2008-04-21 14:17 < zocky> next thing we'll learn is that "i'll light another cigarette" in I'm so tired isn't really about tobacco
2008-04-21 14:17 < bumm13> quanticle: are you in Europe? (curious)
2008-04-21 14:17 < bumm13> cigarettes are the devil!
2008-04-21 14:18 < quanticle> bumm13: Nope - Minnesota, USA.
2008-04-21 14:18 < bumm13> alcohol is the good drug!
2008-04-21 14:18 < bumm13> oh, that's right
2008-04-21 14:18 < bumm13> kmccoy is in N. MN
2008-04-21 14:19 < bumm13> (my older sister is in Superior)
2008-04-21 14:19 < zocky> "I believe that this song was created in response to Tom Hanks's inspiring performance in the motion picture Apollo 13, about an astronaut on an ill-fated mission to the moon. I don't believe it was inspired by actual events, however, as this was a fictional story."
2008-04-21 14:19 < bumm13> ...
2008-04-21 14:19 < bumm13> gee, only about 27 years late ;p
2008-04-21 14:21 < bumm13> *26
2008-04-21 14:22 < bumm13> hiya Fabexplosive
2008-04-21 14:22 < zocky> "Hello, you either have JavaScript disabled..." <-- google results for youtube hits with short titles
2008-04-21 14:22 < zocky> doesn't google own youtube? :)
2008-04-21 14:22 < bumm13> yep
2008-04-21 14:23 < zocky> you'd think they'd know how to display youtube hits :)
2008-04-21 14:23 < bumm13> yeah :P
2008-04-21 14:24 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-04-21 14:24 < Fabexplosive> heya bumm13 +
2008-04-21 14:24 < Fabexplosive> *-
2008-04-21 14:27 < Cream> Anyone wants a article to be worked on?
2008-04-21 14:29 < Working_Cat> Cream: no thanks.
2008-04-21 14:32 < quanticle> They're finally retiring the F-117.
2008-04-21 14:33 < zocky> quanticle, that's the one that serbs didn't know was invisible, right?
2008-04-21 14:34 < Cream> [[Thill Sharief]]
2008-04-21 14:34 < Axeman> what
2008-04-21 14:34 < Cream> your choice
2008-04-21 14:34 < Cream> CSD or Improve
2008-04-21 14:34 < quanticle> zocky: Yeah. It always amuses to me to see the war nerds express surprise about the Serbs shooting down a F-117. They don't seem to realize that unguided AA doesn't care about stealth, and is doubly effective against a slow, low-flying craft like the F-117.
2008-04-21 14:34 < Axeman> WHAT
2008-04-21 14:35 < zocky> quanticle, yeah, but the t-shirt "Sorry, we didn't know it was invisible" was funny anyway
2008-04-21 14:36 < MessedRocker> raise your hand if you think i should begin the process of converting 1,820 PDFs to HTML
2008-04-21 14:36 < quanticle> zocky: Heh. Yeah.
2008-04-21 14:37 < bumm13> MessedRocker: for fun? :D
2008-04-21 14:37 < quanticle> The stealth fighter was designed to go up against Soviet air-defenses, which, by the end of the Cold War, were largely missile based. I guess no one really thought about the stealth fighter's vulnerability afg
2008-04-21 14:38 < quanticle> against relatively primitive guns.
2008-04-21 14:38 < zocky> i thought it was a russian AAA missile that shot it down
2008-04-21 14:38 < quanticle> zocky: I always heard that it was a gatling gun or somesuch.
2008-04-21 14:38 < bumm13> o.o
2008-04-21 14:39 < zocky> quanticle, SA-3 with serbian improvements says wikipedia
2008-04-21 14:39 < bumm13> this isn't WWI :|
2008-04-21 14:40 < quanticle> bumm13: You mean WWII - WWI had airplanes only at the very end.
2008-04-21 14:40 < zocky> great that wikipedia has finally moved russian weapons to russian designations
2008-04-21 14:41 < zocky> i was shouted down when i suggested that some years ago
2008-04-21 14:42 < zocky> the whole idea of having separate NATO names for russian weapons doesn't really make sense to me
2008-04-21 14:42 < zocky> why call it SA-3 if it's called S-125? what have you gained by that, apart from confusion?
2008-04-21 14:43 < The359> Common name?
2008-04-21 14:43 < The359> in English
2008-04-21 14:43 < zocky> how's "SA-3 Goa" better than "S-125 Neva" in english?
2008-04-21 14:43 < Lycurgus> are the originals cyrillic?
2008-04-21 14:44 < bumm13> nobody knows
2008-04-21 14:44 < The359> ...because SA-3 is more well known
2008-04-21 14:44 < The359> because most English speaking users would recognize the NATO name
2008-04-21 14:44 < zocky> The359, it wasn't "more well known" when it was invented
2008-04-21 14:44 < The359> ...so?
2008-04-21 14:44 < quanticle> zocky: Well, most Westerners would see the missile described in other sources as the SA-3.
2008-04-21 14:44 < zocky> why invent new names and designations for things that already have names and designations?
2008-04-21 14:45 < The359> you mean why did NATO do that?
2008-04-21 14:45 < zocky> The359, yes
2008-04-21 14:45 < The359> They didn't have access to the designations and names?
2008-04-21 14:45 < quanticle> zocky: Well, its the Soviets' fault for not sharing their internal designations with us ;)
2008-04-21 14:45 < Lycurgus> everything is the soviets fault.
2008-04-21 14:45 < zocky> i'm sure the designations were well known
2008-04-21 14:45 < The359> and using an English word is easier to use and recognize than a Russian one
2008-04-21 14:45 < The359> Soviet designations well known?
2008-04-21 14:45 < quanticle> zocky: Not outside the Soviet Union.
2008-04-21 14:45 < The359> uh, no
2008-04-21 14:45 < zocky> "goa" is bettern more english than "neva"?
2008-04-21 14:46 < zocky> any russian soldier knew the names, as did eastern european soldiers, and all those african and whatnot countries that bought soviet weapons
2008-04-21 14:46 < The359> so?
2008-04-21 14:46 < The359> the words were still in Russian
2008-04-21 14:47 < The359> the NATO system is also designed so that even if you don't know what the word stands for
2008-04-21 14:47 < The359> you can still tell what type of weapon it is
2008-04-21 14:47 < quanticle> zocky: Also, remember, NATO often had to come up with designations for aircraft and subs before they were "officially" unveiled - working from spy information. If NATO had waited until public unveiling to see the Soviet weapons, we'd have been caught flat-footed.
2008-04-21 14:47 < The359> All fighter aircraft have names beginning with F
2008-04-21 14:47 < The359> all bombers are B
2008-04-21 14:47 < zocky> btw, english is not the native language of most nato soldiers
2008-04-21 14:48 < The359> Guided Missles I believe at G
2008-04-21 14:48 < quanticle> The359: The NATO system is designed so that the words for Soviet aircraft are intentionally meaningless.
2008-04-21 14:48 < The359> guided surface to air missles, that is
2008-04-21 14:48 < The359> are all G
2008-04-21 14:48 < quanticle> The359: I believe the words were chosen at random from a computer database.
2008-04-21 14:49 < The359> the words, yes
2008-04-21 14:49 < The359> but they all start with the same letter
2008-04-21 14:49 < zocky> anyway, whatever the origin of nato reporting names, those are not the actual names of those weapons
2008-04-21 14:49 < The359> [[Honda]] is not the actual name of the company, zocky
2008-04-21 14:49 < zocky> it's the brand most commonly used by the company
2008-04-21 14:50 < The359> and Goa is the name most commonly used by English speakers
2008-04-21 14:50 < zocky> The359, notice the difference? "by the company" and "by english speakers"?
2008-04-21 14:50 < quanticle> zocky: That is true, but it is the name that those weapons are known by in the West.
2008-04-21 14:50 < The359> and English and French are the official languages of NATO, so it doesn't matter if some countries don't use English natively
2008-04-21 14:51 < MessedRocker> the company is called Honda
2008-04-21 14:51 < The359> So what, zocky? It's the fact that it's common
2008-04-21 14:51 < zocky> quanticle, if the west means "US", then yes
2008-04-21 14:51 < MessedRocker> it's "Panasonic" which is actually not the name of the company
2008-04-21 14:51 < zocky> I doubt french newspapers call the S125 "goa"
2008-04-21 14:51 < The359> Honda is Honda Motor Company, MessedRocker
2008-04-21 14:51 < gwern> '{{Heathenism portal}}' <--lol
2008-04-21 14:51 < MessedRocker> yeah
2008-04-21 14:51 < MessedRocker> "Honda" is the abbreviation; it's still the name of the company
2008-04-21 14:52 < MessedRocker> just as how people typically say "Microsoft" instead of "Microsoft Corporation"
2008-04-21 14:52 < The359> well, it all falls under Common Name
2008-04-21 14:52 < The359> why would French papers not call it Goa, zocky?
2008-04-21 14:52 < zocky> common name for romanis is gypsies
2008-04-21 14:52 < bumm13> Panasonic is a Matsushita brand name
2008-04-21 14:52 < zocky> The359, because they are not known for using english names for things that have names in other langauges
2008-04-21 14:53 < The359> oh well
2008-04-21 14:53 < The359> I thought we were discussing English Wikipedia
2008-04-21 14:53 < The359> not French
2008-04-21 14:53 < quanticle> zocky: Europe and Japan also used these designations, by virtue of their mutual defense treaties with the US.
2008-04-21 14:53 < zocky> quanticle, yes, I'm aware that the armies probably use those designations.
2008-04-21 14:54 < The359> the Italian and Chinese Wikipedia both have articles titled SA-3
2008-04-21 14:54 < zocky> but the military simply isn't as present in public and media in europe as in US
2008-04-21 14:54 < The359> who said it has to be present in the public?
2008-04-21 14:54 < The359> There's plenty of people in Europe knowledgable about the military
2008-04-21 14:54 < zocky> e.g. it's not a regular thing for military jargon to get into general use
2008-04-21 14:54 < Working_Cat> which designation?
2008-04-21 14:55 < quanticle> zocky: So? How would that support using the non-NATO designation for that weapon?
2008-04-21 14:55 < Working_Cat> which weapon?
2008-04-21 14:55 < quanticle> Working_Cat: In general.
2008-04-21 14:55 < The359> SA-3 Goa
2008-04-21 14:55 < Working_Cat> which general?
2008-04-21 14:55 < The359> Which is the NATO designation for the S-125 Neva missle
2008-04-21 14:55 < zocky> quanticle, basically, S-125 is the weapon's name, and SA-3 is a nato designation for it
2008-04-21 14:56 < quanticle> zocky: Well, I guess a good solution would be to redirect.
2008-04-21 14:56 < zocky> "common name" is a good rule of thumb in many situations, but we use the correct name in many situations
2008-04-21 14:56 < Working_Cat> social networking on wikipedia: redirekkt
2008-04-21 14:56 < zocky> *in many other situations
2008-04-21 14:56 < quanticle> I.e. leave the article in place, and use redirects to push those looking for the weapon by another name to the correct article.
2008-04-21 14:57 < zocky> in some situations, like the unfortunate [[president of Cuba]] article, the common name is incorrect
2008-04-21 14:57 < zocky> and insistence on using the "most commonly used name in english" makes the article inaccurate
2008-04-21 14:58 < The359> the article isn't inaccurate because of a title