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2008-04-20 18:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Fennec - it's worth noting that the democrats controlled one or both houses of congress continiously from the 1950s until 1994
2008-04-20 18:40 < White_Cat> some other minority party run the HOR
2008-04-20 18:40 < Monobi> although I hate social welfare programs
2008-04-20 18:40 < Ceiling_Cat> for very good reasons
2008-04-20 18:40 < quanticle> Monobi: Well, your repeated denunciations of Democratic candidates implied (at least in my mind) an affiliation with the Republicans.
2008-04-20 18:40 < Monobi> quanticle, it's not one or the other
2008-04-20 18:40 < Monobi> off to work
2008-04-20 18:40 < White_Cat> and president be elected from the general public
2008-04-20 18:40 < White_Cat> with no party ties
2008-04-20 18:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Republicans are good at winning elections but terrible at governing; democrats are just the opposite
2008-04-20 18:41 < White_Cat> a thought
2008-04-20 18:41 < White_Cat> John Stewart for US prez
2008-04-20 18:41 < Ceiling_Cat> they aren't particularly good at winning elections but they make effective government
2008-04-20 18:41 < mavhc> social welfare should benifit society by helping people not fall into a poverty trap due to unavoidable short term problems
2008-04-20 18:41 < quanticle> White_Cat: Heh. Its hard to see how the Greens could make things any worse, although I'm sure they'd find a way.
2008-04-20 18:41 < mavhc> White_Cat: spell his name right for a start
2008-04-20 18:41 < Fennec> quanticle: ban gasoline. >.>
2008-04-20 18:41 < Ceiling_Cat> mavhc - that's welfare, not social security
2008-04-20 18:41 < White_Cat> I dont know what kind of policies he will draft but Cspan will be amusing for sure
2008-04-20 18:41 < Ceiling_Cat> social security is a guarentee that the young will take care of the elderly
2008-04-20 18:42 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat not a gurantee
2008-04-20 18:42 < mavhc> social security is pensions without giving loads of money to lawyers
2008-04-20 18:42 < Ceiling_Cat> the problem is, there are now too many elderly, and the cost of health care is skyrocketting
2008-04-20 18:42 < Fennec> the Republicans might stand a chance of actually doing USEFUL things if they have to fight the sitting President to do it.
2008-04-20 18:42 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat not really
2008-04-20 18:42 < Ceiling_Cat> mavhc - well, it was *supposed* to be a guarentee
2008-04-20 18:42 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: "social welfare" = "welfare," the way he put it, I think
2008-04-20 18:42 < White_Cat> you have too many disabled people
2008-04-20 18:42 < White_Cat> due to wars and other resons
2008-04-20 18:42 < Fennec> obviously, when they /don't/ have to fight they just spend more time playing the political machine game
2008-04-20 18:42 < White_Cat> fewer people die
2008-04-20 18:43 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - the number of war dead is negligible
2008-04-20 18:43 < Ceiling_Cat> (or war wounded)
2008-04-20 18:43 < mavhc> obviously social security will be bankrupt by the time we retire, but what about private pensions, do you trust them not to implode?
2008-04-20 18:43 < White_Cat> not only war wounded but industrial accidents and etc too
2008-04-20 18:43 < Krimpet> personally I think the states should start stepping in to fix what the federal government won't, like statewide universal health care
2008-04-20 18:44 < White_Cat> I think soical security can work well
2008-04-20 18:44 < Ceiling_Cat> the US government spends ~20% of its revinue (something like $1-2 trillion - with a T - per year) on social security because of the two factors I already mentioned
2008-04-20 18:44 < Fennec> that makes more sense to me than nationwide universal-health-care
2008-04-20 18:44 < White_Cat> if the prices of health care were to be lowered
2008-04-20 18:44 < White_Cat> medication is ridiclously overpriced
2008-04-20 18:44 < quanticle> Fennec: While banning gasoline would certainly cause a *lot* of damage in the short-to-medium term, I think, if we survived the ban, we'd be *much* more energy independent as a nation.
2008-04-20 18:44 < Fennec> at least the different systems won't all fall prey to the same insanities
2008-04-20 18:44 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - that is true, for policy reasons
2008-04-20 18:44 < Ceiling_Cat> you can thank the republicans for
2008-04-20 18:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Q: why is medicine so expensive?
2008-04-20 18:45 < mavhc> because it costs a lot to develop
2008-04-20 18:45 < Fennec> the reason medications are expensive are because they're newer and better and the patent-owners sank $billions into them and want $billions++ out.
2008-04-20 18:45 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: Because we have greedy people
2008-04-20 18:45 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I can get medication cheeper in Canada than US
2008-04-20 18:45 < Ceiling_Cat> A: Because drug companies can get away with it. The charge more in the US for the same medicines they sell abroad for substantially less because the US government (thanks to republicans) prohibits the free market from functining
2008-04-20 18:45 < FastLizard4> read: corporate america
2008-04-20 18:45 < White_Cat> its the same darn medication
2008-04-20 18:45 < Ceiling_Cat> you cannot trade drugs across national lines into the US
2008-04-20 18:45 < Krimpet> the heavily Republican states could reject health care, but if it succeeds where it's adopted, the voters may start wanting it in their state too
2008-04-20 18:45 < Fennec> Ceiling_Cat: it's called price discrimination.
2008-04-20 18:45 < White_Cat> no
2008-04-20 18:45 < White_Cat> but I know the prices Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-20 18:46 < Fennec> they charge more for people who can afford more
2008-04-20 18:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Fennec - Yes, it is
2008-04-20 18:46 < Ceiling_Cat> What's your point?
2008-04-20 18:46 < White_Cat> Fennec thats not true
2008-04-20 18:46 < mavhc> if you believed in the free market you'd have to also have no border control, no trade restrictions, etc
2008-04-20 18:46 < White_Cat> they charge the social security people
2008-04-20 18:46 < White_Cat> not people
2008-04-20 18:46 < White_Cat> the people cant really pay
2008-04-20 18:46 < Krimpet> Fennec: not quite, though - is the average American supposed to be able to pay more than the average Canadian?
2008-04-20 18:46 < Krimpet> yet Canadian drugs are so much cheaper
2008-04-20 18:47 < White_Cat> so they suck the money out of social security
2008-04-20 18:47 < Fennec> they charge more for people who are willing to pay more. >.>
2008-04-20 18:47 < Fennec> willing /and/ able
2008-04-20 18:47 < Ceiling_Cat> mavhc - true, but in this case, there is reason to do it for safety
2008-04-20 18:47 < Ceiling_Cat> the problem is, it goes way, way beyond what's needed for safety
2008-04-20 18:47 < Ceiling_Cat> the republicans do it to make their drug company buddies rich
2008-04-20 18:47 < White_Cat> mavhc there are about 200 countries around the planet
2008-04-20 18:47 < mavhc> that's why all this posturing about free markets is BS
2008-04-20 18:47 < Krimpet> Fennec: more like people whose governmental "representatives" decided they should pay more. :p
2008-04-20 18:47 < Ceiling_Cat> while bankrupting the american populace
2008-04-20 18:47 < White_Cat> medication is most expensive in the US
2008-04-20 18:47 < Ceiling_Cat> (good 'ol republicanism in action)
2008-04-20 18:48 * Warpath sees a Ceiling_Cat O_O
2008-04-20 18:48 < Fennec> Krimpet: Believe it or not, most Congressmen don't play all that /direct/ of a role in perscription drug policy most of the time.
2008-04-20 18:48 < White_Cat> Fennec what happens is
2008-04-20 18:48 < White_Cat> everybody currently has infinite money
2008-04-20 18:48 < White_Cat> they dont own the money
2008-04-20 18:48 < White_Cat> but they get to spend large sums of cash via social security on medication
2008-04-20 18:48 < White_Cat> that do not worth a fraction of the money SSN is paying for it
2008-04-20 18:49 < White_Cat> the patient is a poor retired former middle class
2008-04-20 18:49 < White_Cat> but via SSN he pays a fortune
2008-04-20 18:49 < White_Cat> because of this there is lesser and lesser money in SS
2008-04-20 18:50 < Fennec> I thought Medic[aire|aid] was largely independent of Social Security.
2008-04-20 18:50 < Fennec> am I incorrect?
2008-04-20 18:50 < White_Cat> medicaire and medicade are also suffering from the same problem
2008-04-20 18:51 < White_Cat> you can subst services in place of drugs
2008-04-20 18:51 < FastLizard4> omg
2008-04-20 18:51 < FastLizard4> vandalismz
2008-04-20 18:52 < Fennec> anyway. My personal main concern is that pharmaceutical progress will be nontrivially diminished by proposed governmental intervention.
2008-04-20 18:52 < Luna-San> White_Cat: Isn't that sort of price gouging pretty much inevitable in any socialized system?
2008-04-20 18:53 < White_Cat> no
2008-04-20 18:53 < White_Cat> countries tend to ban it
2008-04-20 18:53 < White_Cat> with heavy fines no one will attempt it
2008-04-20 18:54 < White_Cat> drugs bought via SS or Medicair/Medicade should be cheep
2008-04-20 18:54 < White_Cat> with very very little profit
2008-04-20 18:54 < quanticle> White_Cat: Social Security doesn't pay for health care. Medicare does.
2008-04-20 18:54 < White_Cat> SS pays for the services
2008-04-20 18:54 < White_Cat> as in you seeing a doctor
2008-04-20 18:54 < quanticle> White_Cat: No it doesn't. That's also Medicare.
2008-04-20 18:55 * White_Cat is confused
2008-04-20 18:55 < White_Cat> oh right
2008-04-20 18:55 < White_Cat> SS is welfare
2008-04-20 18:55 < White_Cat> terminology
2008-04-20 18:55 < quanticle> White_Cat: My mom's a physical therapist in a nursing home. She know *all* about SS and Medicare.
2008-04-20 18:55 < White_Cat> SS is your retirement pay
2008-04-20 18:55 < White_Cat> quanticle I doubt that
2008-04-20 18:55 < White_Cat> SS is a complicated law
2008-04-20 18:56 < White_Cat> and politicians change it more frequently than you change underwear
2008-04-20 18:56 < quanticle> White_Cat: She knows a sight more than your average Joe.
2008-04-20 18:56 < quanticle> White_Cat: That is true.
2008-04-20 18:56 < Fennec> no profit available => little incentive to invest => stagnating pharmaceutical industry.
2008-04-20 18:56 < White_Cat> Fennec right
2008-04-20 18:56 < quanticle> White_Cat: Medicare too, which is why my mom has to study regulations every year.
2008-04-20 18:56 < White_Cat> but Medicare is intended as a service to the people
2008-04-20 18:56 < Fennec> and, forget the investors, it's the pharmaceutical-users who never even know what they're not getting.
2008-04-20 18:56 * Fennec shrugs.
2008-04-20 18:56 < White_Cat> not a way to hog government money
2008-04-20 18:57 < quanticle> Fennec: As a buyer, Medicare ought to have the right to negotiate the best price for its customers.
2008-04-20 18:57 < Fennec> quanticle: that's subject to monopsony abuse.
2008-04-20 18:57 < Fennec> not that the opposite situation is ideal either
2008-04-20 18:58 < Fennec> (and not that it's a strict monopsony, but it's significant)
2008-04-20 18:58 < quanticle> Fennec: If the drug companies were really so pressed for research funding, they wouldn't be buying prime-time advertising. Also, let's not forget that a *lot* of drug research is publicly funded, via NSF grants and the like.
2008-04-20 18:59 * Mike_H pets Fennec
2008-04-20 18:59 * Mike_H pets quanticle
2008-04-20 18:59 < quanticle> Fennec: Many other countries manage to make single-payer healthcare work just fine - look at Taiwan, for example.
2008-04-20 18:59 < Luna-San> Buying advertising doesn't indicate a company is doing well. o.o
2008-04-20 18:59 < Fennec> quanticle: it's not like they can suddenly spend less money on ads and have more for research
2008-04-20 18:59 < quanticle> Fennec: Sure they can. Dollars are dollars.
2008-04-20 19:00 < Fennec> quanticle: it's not like they just throw money away on advertising, though. They get increased revenue from it.
2008-04-20 19:00 < Fennec> otherwise they, like, wouldn't do it.
2008-04-20 19:01 * Lucifer_Cat adds Navi Rawat to his "i'd tap that" list
2008-04-20 19:01 < quanticle> Fennec: That's true. I guess I just don't see why single payer systems wouldn't work in the US.
2008-04-20 19:02 * quanticle agrees with Lucifer_Cat
2008-04-20 19:02 < Fennec> quanticle: I'm sure they'd /work/ somehow or another. The question is whether it's better or worse that way, of course.
2008-04-20 19:03 < Lucifer_Cat> ahh there you go... shes manbearpig... err i mean half indian half german
2008-04-20 19:03 < Fennec> compared to $statusquo or $hypotheticalzanyscheme
2008-04-20 19:03 < White_Cat> drug research isnt that expensive
2008-04-20 19:04 < Fennec> my personal beef with health care is people who abuse the "insurance" name
2008-04-20 19:04 < quanticle> Fennec: Well, it certainly hasn't been *worse*. Those countries with single-payer systems are getting patient result on par or better than the current US non-system, and spending roughly half the resources (measured as a % of GDP) doing so.
2008-04-20 19:04 < Krimpet> I wonder what [[SimHealth]] was like - never played it myself
2008-04-20 19:04 * White_Cat steals Ceiling_Cat's SS card
2008-04-20 19:04 * quanticle steal's White_Cat's Social Security card
2008-04-20 19:05 < Krimpet> it was an "economic simulation of the U.S. Healthcare system"
2008-04-20 19:05 < Fennec> "I have a chronic condition that will cost millions to treat! I can't get insurance to cover it without paying millions!" no duh! your problem isn't that you need insurance, though, you just want someone else to pay for it...
2008-04-20 19:05 * White_Cat cannot legaly have social security
2008-04-20 19:05 * Lucifer_Cat gives quanticle an F-- in punctuation
2008-04-20 19:06 < quanticle> Fennec: That's true. On the other hand, I do think that its immoral to leave people dying in the street because they can't pay for medical care.
2008-04-20 19:06 < Lucifer_Cat> White_Cat: mexican?
2008-04-20 19:06 < White_Cat> not even close
2008-04-20 19:06 < White_Cat> thatd be Jose
2008-04-20 19:06 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Everyone screws up occasionnaly.
2008-04-20 19:06 < White_Cat> the Jallepenio on a stick
2008-04-20 19:06 < Lucifer_Cat> White_Cat: honduras?
2008-04-20 19:06 < Fennec> If all you want is someone to pay for it, stop beating around the bush by obscuring it behind "affordable insurance!" etc, because you're making insurance less-affordable for the rest of us.
2008-04-20 19:07 < Fennec> anywho
2008-04-20 19:07 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: everyone gets an F once in a while
2008-04-20 19:07 * Fennec suspects that most people don't actually understand "insurance" beyond "someone else pays for it" though :P
2008-04-20 19:07 * Mike_H NP: David Cassidy - Roller Coaster (1974)
2008-04-20 19:08 * Lucifer_Cat failed a driving test in under 5 mins
2008-04-20 19:08 < quanticle> Fennec: I wholly agree. I think one of the things that we have to change is this attitude that private industry is an inherently superior method of paying for health care.
2008-04-20 19:08 < Fennec> especially since most insurance is like, the employer paying $200/mo while the employee pays $20.
2008-04-20 19:08 < quanticle> Fennec: Perhaps insurance ought to be a public good, just like roads, or sewers.
2008-04-20 19:08 < Fennec> I guess health care will always have a problem being an efficient market, though. "Transaction costs" are not low, entry into the market is limited by regulations and certification requirements (with good reason, tho) ...
2008-04-20 19:09 < quanticle> Fennec: Not to mention that your demand curve is *extremely* inelastic. Its pretty difficult to stop buying a lifesaving drug.
2008-04-20 19:10 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: What did you do, run a stop sign?
2008-04-20 19:10 < Fennec> from what I recall in econ class there are at least half a dozen standard models of what happens when you regulate something monopolistic like that, and all of them are fraught with problems in the end
2008-04-20 19:10 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: didnt yield to an 18 wheeler
2008-04-20 19:10 < Fennec> crunch
2008-04-20 19:10 < Lucifer_Cat> which my 4 years driving experience told me was far enough away.
2008-04-20 19:10 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Whoops :-|
2008-04-20 19:11 < Lucifer_Cat> the other guy didnt agree.
2008-04-20 19:11 < Fennec> mmm
2008-04-20 19:11 < Fennec> at some level you're supposed to play those things super-conservative
2008-04-20 19:11 < Lucifer_Cat> so i drove like a noob in the next test, and cleared it easily
2008-04-20 19:11 < Lucifer_Cat> wtf
2008-04-20 19:11 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Were the driving tests on real roads?
2008-04-20 19:11 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah
2008-04-20 19:12 < Fennec> Lucifer_Cat: the idea is that most people /don't/ have said experience and conservative driving is what they SHOULD be doing, both then and in the next several years
2008-04-20 19:12 < Fennec> Lucifer_Cat: most people taking driving tests, that is
2008-04-20 19:12 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: Driving tests in my area are on closed courses.
2008-04-20 19:12 < Fennec> nice that you have closed courses.
2008-04-20 19:12 < Krimpet> I'd venture to guess almost all people usually drive in ways that would fail them instantly on a test
2008-04-20 19:12 < Lucifer_Cat> Fennec: yeah i know.... i let my judgement get better of my.. umm better judgement?
2008-04-20 19:13 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: i agree. 90% of cars i see going to work are all speeding
2008-04-20 19:13 < Krimpet> personally, I remember failing on parallel parking twice :p
2008-04-20 19:13 < Fennec> my drivers' test didn't include parallel parking :P
2008-04-20 19:13 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: well, but then, <sexist joke redacted>
2008-04-20 19:13 < Fennec> it's not important in most parts of North Carolina :P
2008-04-20 19:13 < Lucifer_Cat> Fennec: you should try giving an SC test
2008-04-20 19:14 < Lucifer_Cat> oh btw, in my defence, i was giving the test in SC.
2008-04-20 19:14 < Krimpet> Lucifer_Cat: at least in PA, the law actually even says you're allowed to go up to 10 MPH over without getting penalized
2008-04-20 19:14 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: wow
2008-04-20 19:14 < Fennec> that said! I don't mind people speeding half so much as people blinking their high beams at me when I'm already going 80* in a 65mph zone
2008-04-20 19:14 < Krimpet> well, 5 over in >55 MPH zones
2008-04-20 19:14 < Fennec> *(usually I do not go 80 but once in a while it happens now and then)
2008-04-20 19:14 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: you'd get your ass fined outta existence if you tried to do that in sc
2008-04-20 19:15 < Krimpet> and no leeway in 15 MPH school zones
2008-04-20 19:15 < Fennec> also fun: going 40 in a 25mph zone and getting highbeamed (entrance roads to SFO)
2008-04-20 19:15 < Krimpet> Lucifer_Cat: I think it's mostly so they have leeway for radar, etc.
2008-04-20 19:15 < quanticle> Fennec: Heh. Parallel parking is one of those skills you think you'll never need until the time actually comes to exercise it.
2008-04-20 19:15 < Fennec> Krimpet: 15mph? Yowch. 25mph is what I've seen.
2008-04-20 19:15 < Lucifer_Cat> from what i hear, the cops in sc are like too strict.
2008-04-20 19:15 < Krimpet> Fennec, it's a statewide thing -_-
2008-04-20 19:15 < Fennec> quanticle: I can manage, mind you. >.>
2008-04-20 19:16 < ggreer> solution to parallel parking: get a motorcycle
2008-04-20 19:16 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: so true.
2008-04-20 19:16 < quanticle> Fennec: Not doubting your skill, just making a general statement.
2008-04-20 19:16 < Fennec> I'm glad I don't live in some of the parts in Marin I've seen
2008-04-20 19:16 < quanticle> ggreer: Or a Smart.
2008-04-20 19:16 < Lucifer_Cat> ggreer: not everyone is in cali
2008-04-20 19:16 < Fennec> the roads are all narrow and everyone parks in the street on the curb
2008-04-20 19:16 < Luna-San> Lucifer_Cat: I beg to differ
2008-04-20 19:16 < ggreer> heh
2008-04-20 19:16 < Lucifer_Cat> Luna-San: about?
2008-04-20 19:16 < Krimpet> when I parallel park, though, it's never as tough to squeeze in as the barrels on the tests are
2008-04-20 19:16 < Luna-San> [16:16.22] <Lucifer_Cat> ggreer: not everyone is in cali <--
2008-04-20 19:17 < Fennec> I'm convinced that California doesn't actually exist.
2008-04-20 19:17 < Lucifer_Cat> im not, so is quanticle Fennec and Krimpet ... thats 4 counter examples.
2008-04-20 19:17 < Fennec> mind you, I live in it.
2008-04-20 19:17 < quanticle> Krimpet: That's true. The barrels are sort of an edge condition.
2008-04-20 19:17 < Fennec> Lucifer_Cat: but I /am/ in CA. :P for almost a year now.
2008-04-20 19:17 < Lucifer_Cat> Fennec: thanks for nothing.
2008-04-20 19:18 < Luna-San> Fennec: Is that kinda like how Berkeley is impervious to nuclear attack, thanks to those signs at the city limits banning radioactive materials? >.>
2008-04-20 19:18 * Krimpet once had to parallel park in south philly with an impatient young brat honking her horn and yelling behind me from the moment I put my turn signal on <_<
2008-04-20 19:18 < Krimpet> on a one-way one-lane street, that is
2008-04-20 19:18 < quanticle> Krimpet: That's your cue to take even longer to go through the maneouver.
2008-04-20 19:19 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: lol i actually do that
2008-04-20 19:19 < Krimpet> quanticle: she ended up edging up to my bumper to the point that I couldn't back up at all and had to find another space. -_-
2008-04-20 19:19 < Lucifer_Cat> i do that when pulling OUT of parking
2008-04-20 19:19 < Fennec> Luna-San: I had half an idea for a role-playing game scenario of some sort once... first major event of the game would be, Berkeley gets nuked. :P
2008-04-20 19:19 < Luna-San> Heh
2008-04-20 19:19 < ggreer> berkeley is such a terrible place
2008-04-20 19:19 < Luna-San> ggreer: But good restaurants!
2008-04-20 19:20 < ggreer> sf has good restaurants as well
2008-04-20 19:20 < Fennec> indeed
2008-04-20 19:20 * Krimpet just gloats with satisfaction in knowing it'll all fall into the ocean any day now. ;)
2008-04-20 19:20 < Fennec> they are, however, expensive.
2008-04-20 19:20 < Fennec> mostly.
2008-04-20 19:20 < ggreer> yeah
2008-04-20 19:20 < ggreer> the cheaper ones only take cash
2008-04-20 19:20 < Fennec> mind you, there's dim sum up on Clement street that's pretty cheap.
2008-04-20 19:20 < ggreer> so they can lie about their taxes
2008-04-20 19:21 < Krimpet> the Mid-Atlantic seems to be one of the few places in the USA that's actually fairly natural-disaster-free
2008-04-20 19:21 < Fennec> Krimpet: there are periodic snow/ice storms, and occasional weakened hurricanes.
2008-04-20 19:21 < Krimpet> Fennec: I know, but they're usually not too major. :)
2008-04-20 19:21 < Fennec> not so much disastrous. more chronically recurring though.
2008-04-20 19:22 < Luna-San> And periodic Indian attacks.
2008-04-20 19:22 < Fennec> there are occasional tornadoes, still.
2008-04-20 19:22 < Fennec> Luna-San: and comma-ic Pakistani attacks? :P
2008-04-20 19:23 < Lucifer_Cat> whats comma-ic ?
2008-04-20 19:23 < Krimpet> they're generally more of an annoyance - e.g. really bad weather -> awful traffic, rather than the earthquakes or tornadoes that strike elsewhere
2008-04-20 19:24 < Fennec> Northern parts have nasty blizzards, but you could argue those to be more a chronic condition as well.
2008-04-20 19:24 < Fennec> Lucifer_Cat: like periodic, but with a tail.
2008-04-20 19:24 < Lucifer_Cat> ouch
2008-04-20 19:24 < Krimpet> I'm just thinking from my 18 years in Philly
2008-04-20 19:24 < Lucifer_Cat> that made my headache worse
2008-04-20 19:24 < Luna-San> Fennec thinks everybody from Pakistan has a tail. omg
2008-04-20 19:25 < SwirlBoy39> Hey, join #test_wiki
2008-04-20 19:25 < Luna-San> Though I suppose not having been to Pakistan, I can't very easily refute that. o.o
2008-04-20 19:25 < Fennec> http://www.discovergis.com/Map/MapTornado.htm vs http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2003/fs068-03/images/map.gif
2008-04-20 19:26 < Fennec> (the second one is earthquakes)
2008-04-20 19:26 < Luna-San> Is there anything GIS can't do?
2008-04-20 19:26 < Luna-San> Also, never knew Hawaii gets earthquakes. o.o
2008-04-20 19:26 * Krimpet never knew SC was an earthquake zone
2008-04-20 19:26 < SwirlBoy39> Hey Luna-San join #test_wiki home of our new wiki!
2008-04-20 19:26 < Fennec> Krimpet: most people don't.
2008-04-20 19:27 < Krimpet> I knew about Missouri, and I thought that was pretty obscure
2008-04-20 19:27 < Fennec> "Future earthquake losses are estimated to be largest in urban areas, not only in the western United States, but also in Alaska, Hawaii, South Carolina, and the central and northeastern parts of the Nation. This map from the Federal Emergency Management Agency depicts the distribution, by county, of estimated long-term average annual earthquake losses as a fraction of the replacement value of the building inventory."
2008-04-20 19:28 < Krimpet> I'm surprised NYC is yellow, too
2008-04-20 19:28 < Krimpet> never thought it got that much more than the rest of the northeast
2008-04-20 19:29 < Luna-San> That's a hazard chart, sounds like, not a probability chart.
2008-04-20 19:29 < Lucifer_Cat> "fraction of the replacement value of the building inventory." can someone explain that to me?
2008-04-20 19:29 < Fennec> not I
2008-04-20 19:30 < lunakeet_> Hi.
2008-04-20 19:30 < Fennec> here's another one. http://gis.esri.com/library/userconf/proc98/PROCEED/TO400/PAP395/P3955.GIF
2008-04-20 19:30 < Luna-San> I'm sure that means something to somebody... but it's over my head
2008-04-20 19:30 < zocky> Krimpet, yeah, new york is not more likely to have an earthquake than the rest of northeast, but if it did, there would be many more dead people, destroyed property, etc.
2008-04-20 19:30 < lunakeet_> Hi Luna! It's Luna (keet)
2008-04-20 19:30 < Krimpet> ah, makes sense
2008-04-20 19:30 < Luna-San> lunakeet_: Indeed. o.o
2008-04-20 19:30 < lunakeet_> I have to go, may not be able to talk much tomorrow.
2008-04-20 19:31 < lunakeet_> Bye!
2008-04-20 19:31 < Fennec> here's one that's more "natural" about it
2008-04-20 19:31 < Fennec> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/hazmaps/products_data/images/nshm_us02.gif
2008-04-20 19:31 < Krimpet> though I'm surprised parts of north jersey are yellow while e.g. Philly is green
2008-04-20 19:31 < Fennec> NY is only green.
2008-04-20 19:31 < Fennec> (on a scale of blue to red)
2008-04-20 19:31 < Fennec> that's some physical measurement.
2008-04-20 19:32 < Luna-San> %g (whatever that means)
2008-04-20 19:32 < Luna-San> But apparently having more than 32% g is super bad.
2008-04-20 19:33 < Fennec> g, I assume, is 9.8m/s/s
2008-04-20 19:33 < Enterprise_Cat> :O
2008-04-20 19:33 < zocky> Fennec, think so?
2008-04-20 19:33 < Fennec> yep
2008-04-20 19:34 < zocky> so what's the map, then? strongest expected jolt?
2008-04-20 19:34 < Alkivar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_Bears_on_Fire <-- do they really rate an article?!?!?!?
2008-04-20 19:34 < Alkivar> like seriously how?!?!?!?
2008-04-20 19:34 < Alkivar> the bands official homepage is myspace
2008-04-20 19:34 < Alkivar> they've got a village voice mention wooooooooow
2008-04-20 19:35 < zocky> Alkivar, myspace is a popular place for bands to have homepages
2008-04-20 19:35 < Fennec> zocky: something like N% likelyhood of having no jolts less than this within XYZ time or such
2008-04-20 19:35 < Alkivar> zocky they also typically have a real homepage
2008-04-20 19:35 < Alkivar> this band has none
2008-04-20 19:35 < Fennec> lemme see if I can find it
2008-04-20 19:35 < Alkivar> in fact their label's homepage is myspace also
2008-04-20 19:36 < Fennec> I saw it on their California maps somewhere
2008-04-20 19:37 < zocky> i wonder what the acceleration or speed was for the indian ocean earthquake
2008-04-20 19:39 < zocky> An estimated 1,600 km (994 mi) of faultline slipped about 15 m (50 ft) along the subduction zone where the India Plate slides under the Burma Plate. The slip did not happen instantaneously but took place in two phases over a period of several minutes.
2008-04-20 19:39 < Fennec> one of the things with South Carolina might be soil. I'm not sure. the wrong soil amplifies shaking.
2008-04-20 19:39 < zocky> The rupture proceeded at a speed of about 2.8 km/s (1.7 mi/s) or 10,000 km/h (6,300 mph), beginning off the coast of Aceh and proceeding north-westerly over a period of about 100 seconds.
2008-04-20 19:39 < zocky> if you stood on a plate that went up or down at that speed, you'd die from the fall alone, without any other damage
2008-04-20 19:42 * Cyrius is in a seismically stable area
2008-04-20 19:42 * Lucifer_Cat is in a mentally unstable state
2008-04-20 19:44 < Lucifer_Cat> Fennec: whatever SC has in its soil, i dunno what it is, but it sure as hell produces mindblowing chicks
2008-04-20 19:45 < datapolitical> there's a famous exchange by telegram I'm trying to remember
2008-04-20 19:46 < zocky> hard question of the day: can battlestar galactica recover after killing the only universally liked character it had?
2008-04-20 19:46 < Lucifer_Cat> zocky: no.it should be buried.
2008-04-20 19:47 < Fennec> aha!
2008-04-20 19:47 < Fennec> "The hazard maps depict probabilistic ground motions and spectral response with 10%, 5%, and 2% probabilities of exceedance (PE) in 50 years."
2008-04-20 19:47 < zocky> ah
2008-04-20 19:48 < Fennec> so, one of those. not exactly sure which that particular map is.
2008-04-20 19:48 < zocky> Fennec, I love those measurements. we have earthquake zones that are based on the largest earthquake in the last 1000 years. so a town here went from the highest risk to the lowest risk some 5 years ago.
2008-04-20 19:48 < Sceptre> care bears...
2008-04-20 19:48 < Sceptre> ON FIYAH
2008-04-20 19:48 < Axeman> lol wut
2008-04-20 19:48 < Fennec> zocky: cute.
2008-04-20 19:49 < Fennec> I think that's the 10%.
2008-04-20 19:51 < Fennec> no, I take it back. 2%. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/hazmaps/products_data/2007/maps/ceus/ has the Eastern side by percentages and matches up nicely.
2008-04-20 19:51 < zocky> do they use sterile needles for euthanasia?
2008-04-20 19:51 < MessedRocker> yes
2008-04-20 19:51 < zocky> MessedRocker, you know why kamikaze wore helmets?
2008-04-20 19:52 < MessedRocker> why?
2008-04-20 19:52 < zocky> for no good reason
2008-04-20 19:53 < Lucifer_Cat> zocky: so that they dont pop before the target
2008-04-20 19:53 < zocky> ok, there's only one more good one in this long silly mail with these questions that I got
2008-04-20 19:54 < zocky> why can't you buy mouse-flavoured cat food?
2008-04-20 19:54 < Fennec> kamikaze wear helmets because all the non-kamikaze did too.
2008-04-20 19:54 < Axeman> You know what?
2008-04-20 19:54 < Axeman> I just had a great idea
2008-04-20 19:54 * Axeman waits for someone to ask what it is
2008-04-20 19:55 * Axeman twiddles thumbs
2008-04-20 19:55 < Lucifer_Cat> zocky: its all marketing?
2008-04-20 19:56 < Lucifer_Cat> Fennec: good point. you dont wanna be a dead give away. pun intended.
2008-04-20 19:56 < Axeman> Wait, never mind, someone already invented it
2008-04-20 19:56 < Fennec> that PROVES it's good!
2008-04-20 19:57 < Enterprise_Cat> :O
2008-04-20 19:57 < Enterprise_Cat> omgdircbot
2008-04-20 19:58 < Axeman> waah
2008-04-20 19:58 < Lucifer_Cat> FASTLIZARD4 !!!!
2008-04-20 19:58 < Enterprise_Cat> :O
2008-04-20 19:58 < Enterprise_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: Yes?
2008-04-20 19:58 < Axeman> Hey, quick
2008-04-20 19:59 < Axeman> someone give me a cool-sounding username
2008-04-20 19:59 < Axeman> I'm registering for a forum
2008-04-20 19:59 < Lucifer_Cat> ummm TheAxe_Cat ?
2008-04-20 19:59 < atomicpotato> Axeman, "infamous"
2008-04-20 19:59 < Axeman> heh
2008-04-20 19:59 < Axeman> Infamous?
2008-04-20 19:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Beeblebrox
2008-04-20 19:59 < Axeman> You'v got something there...
2008-04-20 19:59 < atomicpotato> "timecop" as well
2008-04-20 19:59 < Lucifer_Cat> but it might be taken
2008-04-20 19:59 < Axeman> aah
2008-04-20 19:59 < Enterprise_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: :P
2008-04-20 19:59 * Axeman drinks a can of irony
2008-04-20 20:00 < Lucifer_Cat> FastLizard4: That was for?
2008-04-20 20:00 < Axeman> Leper Messiah... nah, lame
2008-04-20 20:00 < Axeman> erm...
2008-04-20 20:00 < Axeman> Firefly? no, too faggy
2008-04-20 20:00 < Lucifer_Cat> Axeman: FerricRust
2008-04-20 20:00 < Enterprise_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: lolwut?
2008-04-20 20:00 < Axeman> hey, that sounds cool
2008-04-20 20:00 < Lucifer_Cat> and its irony too
2008-04-20 20:00 < Axeman> Ferrule.
2008-04-20 20:00 < Enterprise_Cat> har har
2008-04-20 20:00 < Axeman> naw
2008-04-20 20:00 < Lucifer_Cat> SteelyDan
2008-04-20 20:01 < Axeman> Rustwell
2008-04-20 20:01 < Axeman> oh holy shit that's awesome
2008-04-20 20:01 < Lucifer_Cat> Rustix
2008-04-20 20:01 < Axeman> oh dear god
2008-04-20 20:01 < Axeman> my awesome meters just exploded
2008-04-20 20:01 < Axeman> Rustix.
2008-04-20 20:01 < Axeman> thank you so much
2008-04-20 20:01 < ShakespeareFan00> Hi
2008-04-20 20:01 < ShakespeareFan00> Policy question
2008-04-20 20:01 < atomicpotato> Quick question: are torrent files plain text or binary?
2008-04-20 20:02 < ShakespeareFan00> Can I 'promote' a site like OpenStreetmap on talk pages to people I might think are interested?
2008-04-20 20:02 * Lucifer_Cat is getting a reading of over 40 MegaJurassicx
2008-04-20 20:02 < ShakespeareFan00> atomicpotatto: binary normally... Downloading Linux?
2008-04-20 20:02 < Enterprise_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: No
2008-04-20 20:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Jurrasex?
2008-04-20 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: more likely illegal vids
2008-04-20 20:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Zomg... dinoporn
2008-04-20 20:03 < ShakespeareFan00> Enterprise_Cat: Good job I asked then :)
2008-04-20 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: sure
2008-04-20 20:03 < Enterprise_Cat> heh
2008-04-20 20:03 < ShakespeareFan00> Re the OSM promotion question
2008-04-20 20:03 < Axeman> oh.
2008-04-20 20:03 < atomicpotato> TOO MANY CATS
2008-04-20 20:03 < Axeman> Rustwire.
2008-04-20 20:03 * Ceiling_Cat fears what kind of regsults a "dinoporn" google search would return
2008-04-20 20:03 < atomicpotato> is there some kind of meme that I'm missing?
2008-04-20 20:03 < Ceiling_Cat> atomicpotato - NEVER
2008-04-20 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> atomicpotato: very much
2008-04-20 20:03 < Ceiling_Cat> This channel never haz enuf katz
2008-04-20 20:04 < ST47> Anything new?
2008-04-20 20:04 < Lucifer_Cat> no
2008-04-20 20:04 < atomicpotato> oh yeah, we have a few banned cats too, right?
2008-04-20 20:04 < Lucifer_Cat> ahhh i got it
2008-04-20 20:04 < Lucifer_Cat> unit of awesomeness: Kirks
2008-04-20 20:05 * kmccoy is on the bus! IRC on the bus! It's like I'm in the 23rd century, when we'll have IRC anywhere and everywhere!
2008-04-20 20:05 < Enterprise_Cat> kmccoy: I think in the 23rd century we will be /beyond/ IRC :P
2008-04-20 20:05 < zocky> kmccoy, IRC in the transporter?
2008-04-20 20:06 < kmccoy> Enterprise_Cat, cynic.
2008-04-20 20:06 < kmccoy> zocky, heheh
2008-04-20 20:06 < Enterprise_Cat> zocky: lol
2008-04-20 20:06 < Lycurgus> they don't call it CTA anymore do they?
2008-04-20 20:06 < Enterprise_Cat> kmccoy: How will you use IRC when you are light years from earth and moving ftl?
2008-04-20 20:06 < quanticle> kmccoy: You have a smartphone?
2008-04-20 20:07 < kmccoy> Enterprise_Cat, we'll find a way. :)
2008-04-20 20:07 < kmccoy> quanticle, I have a Nokia N95, but I'm IRCing from my laptop.
2008-04-20 20:07 < ST47> HELLO PEOPLE
2008-04-20 20:07 < ShakespeareFan00> Enteprise_Cat: You wil have holochat instead ;)
2008-04-20 20:07 < Enterprise_Cat> Hi ST47
2008-04-20 20:07 < Enterprise_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: heh
2008-04-20 20:07 < kmccoy> We have a wireless router with a Sprint PC card on the bus.
2008-04-20 20:07 < ShakespeareFan00> ST47: IT'S YOU!
2008-04-20 20:08 * Enterprise_Cat notes that ShakespeareFan00 needs to watch moar trek
2008-04-20 20:08 < Lycurgus> oh, YOUR bus.
2008-04-20 20:08 < Lucifer_Cat> what do you call the process of instantiating a holographic chat program?
2008-04-20 20:08 < ShakespeareFan00> Invoking?
2008-04-20 20:08 < Lucifer_Cat> nopr
2008-04-20 20:08 < Lucifer_Cat> HoloCast
2008-04-20 20:09 * Lucifer_Cat grins nervously
2008-04-20 20:09 < ShakespeareFan00> Lucifer_Cat: I don't find that attempt at humor funny
2008-04-20 20:09 < Lucifer_Cat> too soon?
2008-04-20 20:09 < Lucifer_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: i understand. you are quite uninstantiated in these matters.
2008-04-20 20:10 < ShakespeareFan00> BTW You Tube decided to start enforcing it's rules about no-dual accounts
2008-04-20 20:10 < Lucifer_Cat> maybe we need to cast you into a hollow
2008-04-20 20:10 < ShakespeareFan00> :)
2008-04-20 20:10 < atomicpotato> Halocaust? Where?
2008-04-20 20:10 < atomicpotato> JEW JOKES
2008-04-20 20:10 < Lycurgus> he's right, not that it's offensive, just not funny.
2008-04-20 20:11 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-04-20 20:12 < Ceiling_Cat> in response to the earlier comments re: dinoporn, here is the first hit on google: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og67yZu0KSg
2008-04-20 20:12 < Ceiling_Cat> SFW
2008-04-20 20:13 < Lucifer_Cat> before i click....
2008-04-20 20:13 < Lucifer_Cat> is that a clip for the discovery program where they showed dinos banging?
2008-04-20 20:14 < Lucifer_Cat> err more like lying on top of the other one
2008-04-20 20:15 < Lucifer_Cat> lol wtf
2008-04-20 20:16 < zocky> senator lieberman appears in porn?
2008-04-20 20:16 < Ceiling_Cat> : )
2008-04-20 20:17 < zocky> could a porn star ever become a congressman in US?
2008-04-20 20:18 < zocky> AFAIK, it's happened only in italy, but spain or germany wouldn't surprise me at all
2008-04-20 20:20 < Lucifer_Cat> holy fuck! diseases have fucked up humans by the millions in the past
2008-04-20 20:20 < Lucifer_Cat> and i mean in relatively short periods of time
2008-04-20 20:20 < Lucifer_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
2008-04-20 20:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - right. SPanish influenza of 1918 caused the last world pandemic
2008-04-20 20:21 < ShakespeareFan00> Zocky: Unlikley
2008-04-20 20:21 < Axeman> Not having a moues sucks balls
2008-04-20 20:21 < Ceiling_Cat> (if you ignore AIDS)
2008-04-20 20:21 < Axeman> *mouse
2008-04-20 20:21 < Axeman> arggghhh
2008-04-20 20:21 < ShakespeareFan00> Owing to 'family vallues' and 'moral direction'
2008-04-20 20:21 < Axeman> stupid laptop doesn't have ports for old-fashioned moused
2008-04-20 20:21 < zocky> well, and measles
2008-04-20 20:21 < Axeman> and the only USB mouse I have...
2008-04-20 20:21 < Lucifer_Cat> AIDS /is/ a menace, but not that rapid one
2008-04-20 20:22 < Axeman> it was lost by a particular moron who I made the mistake of entrusting the packing up of my laptop to
2008-04-20 20:22 < Axeman> >_>
2008-04-20 20:22 < ShakespeareFan00> You cna be an out and out financial sadist, that tramples the constiution and run for congress, but you can't be a porn star
2008-04-20 20:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - when AIDS first came on the scene in the early 80s, one CDC epidemiologist said it was like god had taken the worst characteristics from every other disease known to man and rolled them into one
2008-04-20 20:23 < Ceiling_Cat> 100% fatalitiy, sexually transmitted, long incubation time with no symptoms during which the patient is contagious
2008-04-20 20:24 < ShakespeareFan00> And there are some that still claim AIDS is a judgment from God :(
2008-04-20 20:24 < Ceiling_Cat> about the only thing that could make it worse is being airborn and/or able to survive in oxygen for a long time
2008-04-20 20:24 < zocky> apparently, munich lost 1/3 of all bars since the smoking ban was introduced
2008-04-20 20:24 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: stop giving me ideas.
2008-04-20 20:24 < Axeman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cleanup_from_May_2006
2008-04-20 20:24 < Axeman> :D
2008-04-20 20:24 < zocky> and gained hundreds of private "smokers' clubs"
2008-04-20 20:24 < ShakespeareFan00> Munich had a smoking ban
2008-04-20 20:24 < ShakespeareFan00> ?
2008-04-20 20:24 < Axeman> this restores my faith in humanity
2008-04-20 20:24 < Lucifer_Cat> and thats the catch right there.... long incubation.
2008-04-20 20:24 < zocky> ShakespeareFan00, germany does
2008-04-20 20:24 < Axeman> it's like... wow
2008-04-20 20:24 < ShakespeareFan00> :O
2008-04-20 20:25 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - be grateful that the New York super-AIDS strain died out
2008-04-20 20:25 < Axeman> last time I looked at cleanup, it was at jan. 2006
2008-04-20 20:25 < Lucifer_Cat> lemme wiki it
2008-04-20 20:25 < Axeman> and now it's almost gone!
2008-04-20 20:25 < ShakespeareFan00> zpcky "Ve have vays of making you quit?" ;)
2008-04-20 20:25 < zocky> ShakespeareFan00, many countries in europe now have the ban
2008-04-20 20:25 < zocky> you can't smoke in enclosed public spaces
2008-04-20 20:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - Normally, in an untreated patient, HIV mutates towards the form that can most easily consume your immune system
2008-04-20 20:26 < ShakespeareFan00> So the person that buy tabacoo legally gets busted for enjoying thier habit, whilst the stoners smoke away with impunity (cause it's an illness for them)
2008-04-20 20:27 < zocky> ShakespeareFan00, no, it's the same for both
2008-04-20 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: coming from India, i know what it can do.
2008-04-20 20:27 < Ceiling_Cat> if you treat the patient, the HIV mutates towards a form that can survive in the presence of anti-retrovirals. This form is - with one exception - worse (usually much worse) at damaging your immune system than the wild type
2008-04-20 20:27 < zocky> you can't smoke pot in enclosed public spaces either
2008-04-20 20:27 < ShakespeareFan00> At least the Dutch have a happy balance...
2008-04-20 20:27 < Ceiling_Cat> that one exception would be Super AIDS
2008-04-20 20:27 < zocky> you never could, practically, in most places, but it wasn't technically illegal, at least not here
2008-04-20 20:27 < SWATJester> autoimmune diseases are nothing to fuck with
2008-04-20 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: i almost decided never to have sex at one point.
2008-04-20 20:27 * Cream touches Ceiling_Cat and ShakespeareFan00
2008-04-20 20:28 < Axeman> lll
2008-04-20 20:28 < Axeman> ...
2008-04-20 20:28 < Axeman> SMOKING BAN?!
2008-04-20 20:28 * Cream toiches Axeman too
2008-04-20 20:28 < Axeman> WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT?!
2008-04-20 20:28 * ShakespeareFan00 calls in the IRC_Cops on cream for 'inappropriate touching'
2008-04-20 20:28 < zocky> doesn't new york have the same ban?
2008-04-20 20:28 * Axeman just woke up
2008-04-20 20:28 < zocky> no smoking in bars?
2008-04-20 20:28 < Cream> nope
2008-04-20 20:28 * Ceiling_Cat gets out his spatula and whips up Cream
2008-04-20 20:28 < Cream> banned here
2008-04-20 20:28 < Lucifer_Cat> Axeman: i'd say "WHATS WITH THE TOUCHING SHIT"
2008-04-20 20:28 < Cream> in quebec yes
2008-04-20 20:28 < Axeman> AAARGH
2008-04-20 20:28 < Cream> and soon
2008-04-20 20:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - are you of the heavy or coffee varieties?
2008-04-20 20:29 < Axeman> STUPID GOVERNMENT, FUCKING WITH MY DURGS
2008-04-20 20:29 < Ceiling_Cat> (or low-fat?)
2008-04-20 20:29 < Cream> coffee
2008-04-20 20:29 < ShakespeareFan00> Well they banned the drugs, they banned the smokes.. what next the beer?
2008-04-20 20:29 < Ceiling_Cat> ah
2008-04-20 20:29 < Axeman> ...
2008-04-20 20:29 < Axeman> what about fun?
2008-04-20 20:29 < Axeman> are they going to ban that too?
2008-04-20 20:29 < Ceiling_Cat> have they banned fuggling?
2008-04-20 20:29 < Cream> they allow it :)
2008-04-20 20:29 < Cream> nope
2008-04-20 20:29 < ShakespeareFan00> FUN IS IR-RELE-VANT
2008-04-20 20:29 < Werdna> DO I SEE INAPPROPRIATE TOUCHING
2008-04-20 20:29 < Cream> cigarette displays are going to be banned soon
2008-04-20 20:29 < Werdna> :O
2008-04-20 20:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Werdna - show me on the doll where the angel touched you
2008-04-20 20:30 < Cream> srsly
2008-04-20 20:30 * Werdna touches Ceiling_Cat.
2008-04-20 20:30 * ShakespeareFan00 dissapers
2008-04-20 20:30 * Cream rapes Werdna
2008-04-20 20:30 < Werdna> whoa.
2008-04-20 20:30 < Werdna> bit far there.
2008-04-20 20:30 < Cream> a IRC rape
2008-04-20 20:30 * ShakespeareFan00 dispairs
2008-04-20 20:30 < Cream> doesn,t hurt anything
2008-04-20 20:31 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream: Comments in the channel could be mis-interpreted
2008-04-20 20:31 < Cream> i know
2008-04-20 20:31 < Cream> rofl
2008-04-20 20:31 * Ceiling_Cat thinks cream needs to have a sit-down with therapist cat
2008-04-20 20:31 * quanticle likes the inverted apostrophe Cream used
2008-04-20 20:31 < ShakespeareFan00> Please keep it family friendly
2008-04-20 20:31 < Cream> okay
2008-04-20 20:31 < Cream> let's clean it up
2008-04-20 20:31 < Cream> how clean?
2008-04-20 20:31 < Cream> family, mormon or christian
2008-04-20 20:31 * quanticle cleans up the spilt Cream
2008-04-20 20:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - you are insuffeciently feline for this channel
2008-04-20 20:31 * quanticle gets out the mop
2008-04-20 20:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Much better
2008-04-20 20:32 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream: Family, Wikipedia is non-profit ;)
2008-04-20 20:32 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: How so? Isn't Cream a cat's favorite treat?
2008-04-20 20:32 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - he said he was coffee cream
2008-04-20 20:32 < Ceiling_Cat> blegh
2008-04-20 20:32 < Ceiling_Cat> no self respecting cat would touch that stuff
2008-04-20 20:32 * Invisible_Cat huggles Ceiling_Cat and quanticle
2008-04-20 20:32 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Ah. Ok.
2008-04-20 20:32 < Invisible_Cat> okay
2008-04-20 20:32 < ShakespeareFan00> Powdered creamer?
2008-04-20 20:33 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-04-20 20:33 < Invisible_Cat> ew
2008-04-20 20:33 < Invisible_Cat> Ceiling_Cat, do you like lattés?
2008-04-20 20:33 < Ceiling_Cat> no, I'm not a fan of any coffee product
2008-04-20 20:33 < Lucifer_Cat> lulz at the inverted aphostrophe comment
2008-04-20 20:33 < ShakespeareFan00> I can't have coffee
2008-04-20 20:33 < Invisible_Cat> allergy?
2008-04-20 20:33 < quanticle> ShakespeareFan00: I was thinking something more along the lines of Half & Half
2008-04-20 20:33 < ShakespeareFan00> Nah
2008-04-20 20:33 * Ceiling_Cat can't see Invisible_Cat, accidentally sits on him
2008-04-20 20:33 < ShakespeareFan00> It makes me go hyperactive :(
2008-04-20 20:33 < ShakespeareFan00> and manic
2008-04-20 20:33 < Invisible_Cat> lulz
2008-04-20 20:33 < ShakespeareFan00> and confused
2008-04-20 20:33 < Ceiling_Cat> Invisible_Cat - nah, I just never cared for the taste of coffee
2008-04-20 20:34 < Invisible_Cat> double lulz
2008-04-20 20:34 < ShakespeareFan00> and ever so slighty paranoid
2008-04-20 20:34 * quanticle trips over Invisible_Cat
2008-04-20 20:34 < Invisible_Cat> triple lulz
2008-04-20 20:34 * Enterprise_Cat exposes Invisible_Cat's cloaking device
2008-04-20 20:34 < Invisible_Cat> many lulz in ShakespeareFan00's quotes