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2008-04-18 08:38 < Bacta> have you seen his quote? "Science is interesting and if you don't agree you can fuck off!"
2008-04-18 08:38 < Bacta> He can be blunt when he wants to
2008-04-18 08:39 < ThePolecat> What a man *sigh*
2008-04-18 08:39 < ThePolecat> Jk.
2008-04-18 08:39 < pengo> the only thing i don't agree with him on, is he says moderate religion breeds extremist religion.. and therefore moderate religion is bad
2008-04-18 08:39 < theINC> I was actually looking for "proof of intelligent design" on the net to see if anyone had given that a crack, and saw a pretty funny video
2008-04-18 08:39 < Bacta> the moderates will stay quiet in the face of extremism further backing them
2008-04-18 08:39 < Leslie_S> HAHAHA
2008-04-18 08:40 < Leslie_S> that class i skipped.....
2008-04-18 08:40 < Leslie_S> the teacher skipped too
2008-04-18 08:40 < ThePolecat> the moderates don't have the guts to fight extremism.
2008-04-18 08:40 < ThePolecat> Takes an atheist
2008-04-18 08:40 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-18 08:40 < Leslie_S> wait, hmm, that was yesterday :o
2008-04-18 08:40 < Leslie_S> meh.
2008-04-18 08:40 < pengo> i saw the diagram i created for [[Species]] used in a creationist video on youtube. i was very proud.
2008-04-18 08:40 < Bacta> and extremism isn't limited to Islam
2008-04-18 08:40 < arcimboldo_> or another extremist
2008-04-18 08:40 < Bacta> there are some real Christian fascists out there
2008-04-18 08:40 < theINC> I'm usually okay with the moderates because they aren't douchebags about things like having the bible in public schools
2008-04-18 08:40 < arcimboldo_> And some atheist fascists too
2008-04-18 08:41 < theINC> pengo: wow haha. I would be too
2008-04-18 08:41 < ThePolecat> Those are only ditch wars for one type or the other of extremism
2008-04-18 08:41 < ThePolecat> that don' work none.
2008-04-18 08:41 < ThePolecat> though I admit that people like Hans Kung have made an impact
2008-04-18 08:42 < Bacta> atheists tend to be quite placid except in cases where religion tries to interfere with their lives ... that's fair
2008-04-18 08:42 < theINC> Bacta: 100% agreed
2008-04-18 08:42 < pengo> also, unlike dawkins, i think war causes people to become religious, and not just the other way around.
2008-04-18 08:43 < arcimboldo_> Hm well, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, not quite the most religious people.
2008-04-18 08:43 < ThePolecat> Hard times in general
2008-04-18 08:43 < theINC> I'm interested in this Expelled movie
2008-04-18 08:43 < arcimboldo_> Apart from creating their own religion around themselves
2008-04-18 08:43 < ThePolecat> makes people more nationalistic and irrational.
2008-04-18 08:43 < theINC> about scientists who are "shunned" because they believe in intelligent design
2008-04-18 08:43 < theINC> and Dawkins is in it apparently
2008-04-18 08:43 < ThePolecat> those were kind of a-religious.
2008-04-18 08:43 < Bacta> what's expelled about exactly? Everyone's going on about it
2008-04-18 08:44 < ThePolecat> Hitler's opponent wasn't the religion of Judaism, it was the caricature of the "economy Jew"
2008-04-18 08:44 < theINC> ... which claims that educators and scientists are being persecuted for their belief that there is evidence of design in nature.
2008-04-18 08:44 < theINC> [[Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed]]
2008-04-18 08:45 < pengo> provocative title
2008-04-18 08:45 < ThePolecat> Of course, they're also persecuted and deported into gulags of political correctness for being less than Trotskist.
2008-04-18 08:45 < ThePolecat> (so say those who love being victims)
2008-04-18 08:46 < ThePolecat> it's such an enormously powerful position to be a victim.
2008-04-18 08:46 < ThePolecat> I mean a perceived victim who isn't much of one in reality.
2008-04-18 08:47 < theINC> I think Intelligent Design can pretty much be discredited by genetic disorders, entirely.
2008-04-18 08:47 < ThePolecat> your God is an angry god!
2008-04-18 08:47 < Bacta> bacteria too
2008-04-18 08:47 < Bacta> viruses etc.
2008-04-18 08:47 < Bacta> evolution can be seen in everyday life
2008-04-18 08:47 < theINC> There's a type of bacteria that eats nylon.
2008-04-18 08:47 < Bacta> offspring of agent orange
2008-04-18 08:48 < theINC> Nylon's only been around since 1935.
2008-04-18 08:48 < ThePolecat> Well, God never promised to make stuff easily verified :-P
2008-04-18 08:48 < theINC> Explain that.
2008-04-18 08:48 < Bacta> theINC: That dispells ID entirely!
2008-04-18 08:48 < theINC> Bacta: exactly!
2008-04-18 08:48 < Leslie_S> Bacta are you referring to drug-resistant strains of the above?
2008-04-18 08:48 < Leslie_S> Bacta which is obviously evolution
2008-04-18 08:48 < ThePolecat> You don't even need to dispell ID, just refute its claims.
2008-04-18 08:48 < ThePolecat> burden of proof's on them.
2008-04-18 08:48 < Bacta> well yes
2008-04-18 08:49 < Bacta> but they expect evolution to prove itself
2008-04-18 08:49 < Bacta> which it doesn't need to do
2008-04-18 08:49 < Bacta> like you said, burdens on them
2008-04-18 08:49 < theINC> they complain about gaps in the fossil record and such
2008-04-18 08:49 < pengo> theINC: god only created the "kinds" which is roughly Class or Order in real science terms. So I guess genetic disorders are software bugs left in by God to test our faith. see [[Created kind]]
2008-04-18 08:50 < theINC> pengo: if they were to test our faith then why do they only occur to some people?
2008-04-18 08:50 < ThePolecat> Basically they say that "if a pattern of explanation is incomplete, it's wrong"
2008-04-18 08:50 < ThePolecat> which is scientific nonsense
2008-04-18 08:50 < pengo> theINC: to test their faith! do not question the mind of god because it's bigger than a planet.
2008-04-18 08:51 < theINC> why only test some people's faith?
2008-04-18 08:51 < Bacta> what god?
2008-04-18 08:51 < pengo> theINC: because they need to be tested.
2008-04-18 08:51 < theINC> why do only they need to be tested?
2008-04-18 08:51 < pengo> theINC: because god works in mysterrrrious ways
2008-04-18 08:52 < theINC> lol.
2008-04-18 08:52 < ThePolecat> She Walks In 'Er Own Way
2008-04-18 08:52 < pengo> (makes ghostly Wooo-ooo-oooh noises)
2008-04-18 08:52 < pengo> i should have been a pastor
2008-04-18 08:53 < theINC> haha you should have been
2008-04-18 08:54 < Bacta> pastors in the fundie churches here earn 90k+
2008-04-18 08:54 < Bacta> it's very profitable
2008-04-18 08:54 < pengo> do they get to be married?
2008-04-18 08:54 < arcimboldo_> per year? poor guys ...
2008-04-18 08:55 < Bacta> these ones do
2008-04-18 08:55 < Bacta> Destiny Church New Zealand
2008-04-18 08:55 < ThePolecat> make sure you start a TV channel, easily triples that.
2008-04-18 08:55 < Bacta> well this church did
2008-04-18 08:55 < Bacta> they prey on the poor and take their 10%
2008-04-18 08:55 < theINC> pastors ≠ priests
2008-04-18 08:55 < theINC> so yes they can be married.
2008-04-18 08:56 < ThePolecat> they are priests, just Protestant priests
2008-04-18 08:56 < theINC> I've always wanted to start my own religion
2008-04-18 08:56 < ThePolecat> so yes they can be married :-)
2008-04-18 08:56 < Bacta> theINC: Hubbard did as part of a bet with Clarke from memory
2008-04-18 08:56 < theINC> Bacta: and he got tom cruise to believe in it!
2008-04-18 08:56 < Bacta> operating thetan :P
2008-04-18 08:57 * ThePolecat is off to picket a few psychiatrists
2008-04-18 08:57 < arcimboldo_> and John Travolta to earn the Golden Raspberry
2008-04-18 08:57 < theINC> I strongly support the protests, even though I didn't go to them
2008-04-18 08:57 < Bacta> if they had em in NZ I would go
2008-04-18 08:57 < Bacta> but purely for the rick rolling
2008-04-18 08:57 < Bacta> ;)
2008-04-18 08:57 < theINC> yeah
2008-04-18 08:58 < theINC> that is the ultimate theme song for any cause
2008-04-18 08:58 < theINC> forget the Band Aid song or USA for Africa, it's Rick Astley for Anon
2008-04-18 08:58 < Bacta> "never gonna give you up never gonna say goodbye never gonna run away and hurt you"
2008-04-18 08:58 < ThePolecat> police gave people permission to demonstrate with their faces hidden here (usually prohibited)
2008-04-18 08:58 < theINC> i only just realised that song was on the first Singstar game the other night
2008-04-18 08:59 < ThePolecat> because there was a danger of intimidation by random photographing
2008-04-18 08:59 < theINC> obviously the police don't like Scientologists either
2008-04-18 08:59 < ThePolecat> Scientology might be outlawed here soon.
2008-04-18 08:59 < SynergeticMag> good
2008-04-18 08:59 < Bacta> where's here?
2008-04-18 08:59 < SynergeticMag> it needs to be
2008-04-18 08:59 < ThePolecat> Germany
2008-04-18 08:59 < theINC> it's outlawed in germany ain't it?
2008-04-18 08:59 < SynergeticMag> anywhere will do
2008-04-18 08:59 < ThePolecat> not yet
2008-04-18 08:59 < theINC> not yet haha
2008-04-18 08:59 < theINC> I'm suprised it hasn't been
2008-04-18 09:00 < arcimboldo_> Nope ... they're not allowed to molest people on the street any more, but that's it.
2008-04-18 09:00 < ThePolecat> well, we're still concentrating on Norwegian clothes brands.
2008-04-18 09:00 < arcimboldo_> They still molest them but under different names ...
2008-04-18 09:00 < SynergeticMag> tom cruise was enough for me to protest it
2008-04-18 09:00 < arcimboldo_> like "freelance pastors" or something like that
2008-04-18 09:00 < bumm13> molest, interesting choice of word
2008-04-18 09:00 < bumm13> (even if it is technically correct)
2008-04-18 09:01 < Bacta> oh I use the word rape to describe currency speculation so it's not so bad
2008-04-18 09:01 < Bacta> ;)
2008-04-18 09:01 < ThePolecat> "belästigen" in German
2008-04-18 09:01 < SynergeticMag> bumm13: don't you want to be a "clear"?
2008-04-18 09:01 < theINC> eugh, apparently there's a Rihanna song called Take a Bow
2008-04-18 09:01 < theINC> much more fail than the Muse song of the same name
2008-04-18 09:01 < Bacta> and a Muse song :D
2008-04-18 09:01 < bumm13> the term almost immediately brings pedophilia to mind in most people
2008-04-18 09:01 * theINC is listening to "Take A Bow" by Muse, from the album H.A.A.R.P.. 192 Kbps
2008-04-18 09:01 < ThePolecat> "to pester, harass"
2008-04-18 09:01 < theINC> (y)
2008-04-18 09:01 < arcimboldo_> ok, harass
2008-04-18 09:01 < bumm13> :)
2008-04-18 09:02 < ThePolecat> bumm13: I think you've been influenced by your TV programming.
2008-04-18 09:02 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-18 09:02 < bumm13> it's almost like trying to use the term "niggardly" in U.S. English today
2008-04-18 09:02 < bumm13> ThePolecat - :P
2008-04-18 09:02 < ThePolecat> if American TV could, it would talk about sex crimes all day.
2008-04-18 09:02 < bumm13> sadly, yes
2008-04-18 09:03 * bumm13 really dislike the handling of this west Texas FLDS case
2008-04-18 09:03 < bumm13> *dislikes
2008-04-18 09:03 * theINC lols at To Catch a Predator
2008-04-18 09:03 < Bacta> that show was funny
2008-04-18 09:03 < ThePolecat> Yea, we'd like Scientology a bit more niggardly in its outgoingness.
2008-04-18 09:03 < bumm13> "To Engage In Entrapment"
2008-04-18 09:04 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-18 09:04 < theINC> well, it is entrapment
2008-04-18 09:04 < bumm13> indeed
2008-04-18 09:04 < theINC> but the guys clearly ask for sex with lolis.
2008-04-18 09:04 < theINC> so...
2008-04-18 09:04 < theINC> both sides are breaking the law!
2008-04-18 09:04 < bumm13> fun, ain't it?
2008-04-18 09:04 < theINC> tis
2008-04-18 09:04 < ThePolecat> Do they wait for men to talk to them posing as kids?
2008-04-18 09:05 < bumm13> "they're innately criminals, we just need to bring it out of them"
2008-04-18 09:05 < Bacta> they didn't actually do anything though
2008-04-18 09:05 < ThePolecat> heh, kind of evil.
2008-04-18 09:05 < bumm13> yes, the methodology is
2008-04-18 09:05 < theINC> They (Perverted Justice, an organization not government affiliated) pretend to be 13 year old girls/boys and wait for a sexual hit
2008-04-18 09:05 < theINC> then they give them an address where they trap the predator
2008-04-18 09:05 < theINC> it IS actually illegal to solicit a child for sex on the internet
2008-04-18 09:05 < ThePolecat> Okay, so at least they don't talk to people themselves.
2008-04-18 09:06 < Bacta> oh I didn't know that
2008-04-18 09:06 < bumm13> they use a (fake?) minor to communicate with them
2008-04-18 09:06 < theINC> so they've done something wrong... but still, it is a bit harsh.
2008-04-18 09:06 < ThePolecat> yea.
2008-04-18 09:06 < ThePolecat> You can only get them for attempt, of course.
2008-04-18 09:06 < ThePolecat> not for the complete thing.
2008-04-18 09:06 < theINC> Bacta: i believe it's done on a state-by-state basis, but in the states where they conduct the operations it is illegal.
2008-04-18 09:06 < bumm13> most cases get thrown out for lack of evidence
2008-04-18 09:07 < bumm13> it has caused at least one or two of the suspects to commit suicide
2008-04-18 09:07 < Bacta> just doesn't sit easy with me
2008-04-18 09:07 < theINC> bumm13: well, when they start praying on 13 year olds, you'd think they're already near rock bottom
2008-04-18 09:07 < theINC> *preying
2008-04-18 09:08 < bumm13> perhaps, but it's a disturbing dynamic overall
2008-04-18 09:08 < theINC> agreed.
2008-04-18 09:08 < bumm13> (as if we don't have enough sex offenders who aren't dealt with harshly enough in our society)
2008-04-18 09:08 < bumm13> seeking out more of them in that manner isn't all that helpful
2008-04-18 09:08 < ThePolecat> I think it gives folks a wrong idea about the internet too. Not to mention the more general moral panic.
2008-04-18 09:08 < theINC> sigh, our society is screwed up
2008-04-18 09:08 < bumm13> exactly
2008-04-18 09:09 < theINC> ThePolecat: agreed, many people ban their kids from MySpace because it has messaging/comments systems and those could be used for bad purposes... like solicitation or cyberbullying
2008-04-18 09:09 < ThePolecat> well, it just changes prosecution to the wrong way.
2008-04-18 09:09 < ThePolecat> the really bad cases (actual rapists) are hard to find
2008-04-18 09:10 < bumm13> our courts are already overburdened; at least get them the proper way
2008-04-18 09:10 < ThePolecat> but woe is on people who even talk to someone (unbeknownst to them) underage on the internet.
2008-04-18 09:11 < bumm13> well, on this TV show, they do find out the (alleged) age of the minor in communication
2008-04-18 09:11 < ThePolecat> not quite here, because we have more flexible laws, but in the US I think there's a reversal of seriousness.
2008-04-18 09:11 < bumm13> but still...
2008-04-18 09:11 < ThePolecat> Yea, well.
2008-04-18 09:11 < Bacta> is it possible those girls are soliciting the pedos?
2008-04-18 09:11 < Bacta> the ones from perverted justice
2008-04-18 09:12 < bumm13> the whole use of deception as a tactic seems to be accepted not only within law enforcement, but sadly by the portion of the American public who don't dare criticize our government leaders, police, etc.
2008-04-18 09:12 < ThePolecat> It doesn't matter, as an adult you have to act responsibly, not the (even fake) kid.
2008-04-18 09:12 < bumm13> yes
2008-04-18 09:12 < ThePolecat> I dislike those stealth stuff intensely.
2008-04-18 09:12 < ThePolecat> *actions
2008-04-18 09:12 < bumm13> same here
2008-04-18 09:13 < ThePolecat> I know they're necessary sometimes, but sting ops tend to be overused.
2008-04-18 09:13 < theINC> Bacta: It could be very much so. They only show you the bits of the chatlog they want you to see
2008-04-18 09:13 < theINC> they often say things like "if I didn't stop you how far would you go"
2008-04-18 09:13 < theINC> which makes it sound like the kid wants it too
2008-04-18 09:13 < ThePolecat> Consent by someone who can't consent doesn't matter.
2008-04-18 09:14 < theINC> true
2008-04-18 09:14 < Werdna> I have objections to the idea that somebody under a certain age "can't" consent
2008-04-18 09:14 < ThePolecat> The law has to work with limits, it's impossible to do that stuff case-by-case
2008-04-18 09:14 < Werdna> certainly, it is objectionable to take advantage of somebody who is very underage
2008-04-18 09:14 < Werdna> ThePolecat: not necessarily
2008-04-18 09:14 < Werdna> take Doli Incapax
2008-04-18 09:14 < bumm13> it's also about things like signing contracts
2008-04-18 09:14 < Werdna> A child under 10 cannot commit a crim
2008-04-18 09:14 < Werdna> e
2008-04-18 09:15 < kingturtle> gmorning
2008-04-18 09:15 < ThePolecat> It's 14 here.
2008-04-18 09:15 < bumm13> hiya kingturtle
2008-04-18 09:15 < Werdna> between 10 and 14, they are rebuttably presumed to be incapable of forming the requisite mental element.
2008-04-18 09:15 < Werdna> WHy don't we do something like that with consent?
2008-04-18 09:15 < ThePolecat> Well, Germany has possibly the most liberal consent law in the world
2008-04-18 09:15 < ThePolecat> it's quite fine
2008-04-18 09:15 < ThePolecat> (fine in the sense of elaborate)
2008-04-18 09:16 < ThePolecat> it does ask for the capacity in some cases.
2008-04-18 09:16 < Werdna> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Germany
2008-04-18 09:16 < ThePolecat> plus a few other things, then from 16 on, you're only guilty as an employer
2008-04-18 09:16 < bumm13> nobody emails me :(
2008-04-18 09:16 < Werdna> that's fantastic
2008-04-18 09:17 < Werdna> that's EXACTLY how I would run it
2008-04-18 09:17 < Werdna> maybe decrease 21 to 18
2008-04-18 09:17 < Werdna> but that's just about perfect.
2008-04-18 09:18 < ThePolecat> they're rolling it back in places like paid dares
2008-04-18 09:18 < ThePolecat> apparently some 16-18 girls get paid for "daring" to do certain things
2008-04-18 09:18 < theINC> sexual self determination...?
2008-04-18 09:18 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-04-18 09:19 < ThePolecat> thats the section header
2008-04-18 09:19 < ThePolecat> Brb.
2008-04-18 09:20 < Bacta> how can I stop an admin stalking me? ;)
2008-04-18 09:21 < Lycurgus> put on 30 pounds?
2008-04-18 09:21 < ThePolecat> get a LOUD whistle.
2008-04-18 09:21 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-18 09:22 * bumm13 had no idea that Rod Argent had played on Who's Next
2008-04-18 09:22 < theINC> Sigh... still can't believe some people
2008-04-18 09:22 < ThePolecat> the most elegant keyboarder of the 60s.
2008-04-18 09:22 < bumm13> of course :)
2008-04-18 09:23 < bumm13> he's about 63 now
2008-04-18 09:23 < ThePolecat> *Julie Driscoll and Brian Auger - This Wheel's On Fire
2008-04-18 09:23 < theINC> Seems like all the keyboardists in 60s bands are the only members who are alive today...
2008-04-18 09:24 < theINC> see Deep Purple and The Doors
2008-04-18 09:24 < ThePolecat> haha yea.
2008-04-18 09:24 < ThePolecat> Ray Manzarek is great.
2008-04-18 09:24 < theINC> He IS.
2008-04-18 09:24 < theINC> and he plays a damn good keyboard too
2008-04-18 09:25 < bumm13> except for the Grateful Dead :\
2008-04-18 09:26 * ThePolecat dislikes the Grateful Dead for some odd reason
2008-04-18 09:26 < bumm13> (in fact, are *any* of their keyboardists alive?)
2008-04-18 09:26 < ThePolecat> Perhaps because Ann Coulter is a fan?
2008-04-18 09:26 < bumm13> that's a terrible reason to dislike them
2008-04-18 09:26 < ThePolecat> Probably not.
2008-04-18 09:26 < ThePolecat> But I don't like em.
2008-04-18 09:26 < bumm13> they were quite popular in Europe in the mid 70s onward
2008-04-18 09:27 < ThePolecat> *Bo Diddley - Who Do You Love
2008-04-18 09:27 < bumm13> they had a big tour there in 1972
2008-04-18 09:27 < ThePolecat> my mom was the only one interested in contemporary music then, and she liked other stuff.
2008-04-18 09:27 < ThePolecat> so I guess I didn't grow up with it
2008-04-18 09:27 < bumm13> well, neither did I
2008-04-18 09:28 < bumm13> my parents listened to stuff like country :P
2008-04-18 09:28 < bumm13> my dad liked ABBA, too
2008-04-18 09:28 < bumm13> :x
2008-04-18 09:29 < ThePolecat> My dad liked... Sonny and Cher.
2008-04-18 09:29 < ThePolecat> *Julie Driscoll and Brian Auger - Road to Cairo
2008-04-18 09:30 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-18 09:30 < theINC> My dad liked Rick Astley xD
2008-04-18 09:32 < bumm13> what's all this nonsense about Rick Astley?
2008-04-18 09:32 < bumm13> seems like another stupid Internet subcultural oddity
2008-04-18 09:32 < ThePolecat> the ghastly Astley
2008-04-18 09:33 < Werdna> bumm13: yeah, that's it
2008-04-18 09:33 < theINC> ThePolecat: I like it
2008-04-18 09:33 < theINC> did you know the guy can play guitar?
2008-04-18 09:33 * ThePolecat nods
2008-04-18 09:33 < ThePolecat> It's not difficult
2008-04-18 09:33 < ThePolecat> hgaha
2008-04-18 09:33 < bumm13> I'd never even heard of him
2008-04-18 09:33 < theINC> I am actually going to procure myself a guitar on Tuesday when I go into town
2008-04-18 09:34 < theINC> I have played piano for 5 years and after seeing Matt Bellamy I want to broaden my horizons
2008-04-18 09:34 < Bacta> I've seen him live during a Muse concert
2008-04-18 09:34 < Bacta> he's awesome
2008-04-18 09:34 < ThePolecat> hah good luck
2008-04-18 09:34 < bumm13> hmm, Astley had two #1 hits in 1988 (U.S.)
2008-04-18 09:34 < theINC> bumm13: Together Forver and Never Gonna Give You Up
2008-04-18 09:34 < ThePolecat> He's a vapid pop singer.
2008-04-18 09:34 < bumm13> 1988 wasn't the best year for quality popular music
2008-04-18 09:35 < theINC> he's better than some 80s pop groups
2008-04-18 09:35 < theINC> ie a-ha
2008-04-18 09:35 < White_Cat> theINC do you think
2008-04-18 09:35 < White_Cat> McCain is a Picard fan?
2008-04-18 09:35 < bumm13> that's not saying much :P
2008-04-18 09:35 < theINC> lol I don't follow US politics or star trek
2008-04-18 09:35 < theINC> so I have no ground on either of those
2008-04-18 09:36 < White_Cat> theINC well
2008-04-18 09:36 < White_Cat> they are both bald
2008-04-18 09:36 < White_Cat> McCain is copycating
2008-04-18 09:36 < ThePolecat> Poison released Every Rose Has Its Thorn
2008-04-18 09:36 < White_Cat> he must be adicted to the show
2008-04-18 09:36 < bumm13> heh, I remember that song
2008-04-18 09:36 < theINC> haha
2008-04-18 09:36 < bumm13> Poison was the epitome of image with no substance
2008-04-18 09:37 < bumm13> (even as hair metal went)
2008-04-18 09:37 < ThePolecat> oh god, Groovy Kind of Love was the best selling single of all
2008-04-18 09:37 < ThePolecat> Brr!
2008-04-18 09:37 < ThePolecat> or as they say here "pfui!"
2008-04-18 09:37 < bumm13> although they weren't as terrible as some of the last breed of hair metal acts
2008-04-18 09:37 < theINC> I was having a discussion on the forum of "classic artists that will be remembered for their work in the 00s"
2008-04-18 09:37 < theINC> and someone suggested Linkin Park
2008-04-18 09:38 < bumm13> lol
2008-04-18 09:38 < bumm13> that pretty much sums it up right there
2008-04-18 09:38 < theINC> Pfft! They're not THAT bad, but they're certainly not the best band ever
2008-04-18 09:38 * ThePolecat thinks of the stuff that survives, the White Stripes and Placebo certainly have their place
2008-04-18 09:38 < ThePolecat> I don't know what else wasn't actually a product of the 90s
2008-04-18 09:39 < theINC> Unfortunately, my favourite bands won't really be remembered, because they're alternative
2008-04-18 09:39 < theINC> and the 00s will be remembered by james blunt and rihanna and the crazy frog and the ketchup song...
2008-04-18 09:39 < ThePolecat> Oh, the various bands Pete Doherty was in, certainly.
2008-04-18 09:39 < ThePolecat> Asereje...
2008-04-18 09:40 < ThePolecat> and probably Bright Eyes
2008-04-18 09:40 < ThePolecat> hopefully not the "emo" pop
2008-04-18 09:41 < bumm13> in other words, lots of crap
2008-04-18 09:41 < ThePolecat> Rufus Wainwright perhaps.
2008-04-18 09:41 < theINC> thePolecat: along the lines of MCR and Simple Plan?
2008-04-18 09:41 < ThePolecat> yea.
2008-04-18 09:41 < ThePolecat> brr
2008-04-18 09:41 < ThePolecat> and the pseudo-punk of The Used
2008-04-18 09:41 < ThePolecat> Well, most of everything is crud, so...
2008-04-18 09:42 < ThePolecat> Oh, then there was "metalcore"
2008-04-18 09:42 < ThePolecat> Bullet for my Valentine and stuff.
2008-04-18 09:42 < Lycurgus> do you listen do recordcaster polecat?
2008-04-18 09:42 < Lycurgus> *to
2008-04-18 09:42 < ThePolecat> no
2008-04-18 09:42 < ThePolecat> Should I?
2008-04-18 09:43 < Lycurgus> i dunno, should you?
2008-04-18 09:43 < ThePolecat> Per'aps.
2008-04-18 09:43 < ThePolecat> oh, there was also The Streets.
2008-04-18 09:43 < theINC> haha
2008-04-18 09:43 * theINC just learnt what it is to "superman that ho"
2008-04-18 09:43 < ThePolecat> I like him.
2008-04-18 09:43 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-18 09:43 < bumm13> current U.S. #1 (Hot 100) - Leona Lewis - "Bleeding Love"
2008-04-18 09:43 < Lycurgus> i like The Streets.
2008-04-18 09:43 < bumm13> ok then....
2008-04-18 09:44 < theINC> I only know that one song by the streets, fit but you know it
2008-04-18 09:44 < ThePolecat> bumm13: I'm purdy positive I've never 'eard that song.
2008-04-18 09:44 < bumm13> same here
2008-04-18 09:44 < bumm13> eww, Madonna at #7
2008-04-18 09:44 < Werdna> ew, the streets
2008-04-18 09:44 < Lycurgus> 4 minuten?
2008-04-18 09:45 < bumm13> hahaha, Miley Cyrus at #11
2008-04-18 09:45 < Warpath> kewl song )
2008-04-18 09:45 < ThePolecat> in Germany, it was the Wir Sind Helden decade
2008-04-18 09:45 < theINC> bumm13: i've somehow avoided hearing any songs by miley cyrus/hannah montana and I'm proud of it
2008-04-18 09:45 < ThePolecat> good band who are getting progressively worse, sadly.
2008-04-18 09:45 < bumm13> this is all very sad
2008-04-18 09:45 < ThePolecat> Oh, Low is still on No. 10
2008-04-18 09:46 < ThePolecat> She got dem apple bottom jeans and de boots wid de fur/fur!
2008-04-18 09:46 < ThePolecat> *dem
2008-04-18 09:46 < bumm13> apple bottom?
2008-04-18 09:46 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-04-18 09:46 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-04-18 09:47 < Lycurgus> .oO(nb: verbluffen Sie sich nicht in fremdsprachen)
2008-04-18 09:49 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-18 09:49 < ThePolecat> verblüffen is a fun word
2008-04-18 09:49 * bumm13 NP: Carole King - I Feel the Earth Move (1971)
2008-04-18 09:49 < ThePolecat> I like "to baffle" too though
2008-04-18 09:49 < ThePolecat> Tapestry is a magical record.
2008-04-18 09:49 < theINC> ThePolecat: I want that song's chart position to go low low low low low low low low
2008-04-18 09:49 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-18 09:50 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-04-18 09:51 < bumm13> brrr, 5 °C (41 °F) at 6:52 am local time (UTC -7 / PDT)
2008-04-18 09:51 < Lycurgus> does anybody use scim?
2008-04-18 09:52 < bumm13> (unseasonably cold temperatures)
2008-04-18 09:53 < arcimboldo_> I used to use scim
2008-04-18 09:53 < Lycurgus> why past tense?
2008-04-18 09:54 < arcimboldo_> My internet connection isn't currently working under Linux
2008-04-18 09:55 < Lycurgus> scim = smart common input method
2008-04-18 09:55 < arcimboldo_> So I'm under Windows
2008-04-18 09:55 < ThePolecat> 7°C in the afternoon, far colder around seven this morning obviously, here
2008-04-18 09:56 < arcimboldo_> Heavy rainfall and winds this morning, over here.
2008-04-18 09:56 < ThePolecat> here in Menshevik Germany
2008-04-18 09:57 < Lycurgus> spasst du?
2008-04-18 09:57 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-18 09:57 < ThePolecat> "spaßen" is getting old
2008-04-18 09:57 < ThePolecat> but no, we have a red-red coalition, after all.
2008-04-18 09:59 < Lycurgus> and there was a deutsche Menshevik party (i'm guessing early in the SPD's history)
2008-04-18 09:59 < Lycurgus> relatively early
2008-04-18 09:59 < Lycurgus> i.e. b4 1933
2008-04-18 09:59 < ThePolecat> perhaps during the SPD/USPD split
2008-04-18 10:01 < Lycurgus> yeah, bolshevism is permanently discredited. And their website sux ass.
2008-04-18 10:01 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-18 10:02 < Lycurgus> ( http://www.bolshevik.org/ )
2008-04-18 10:03 < ThePolecat> not at all bolshoi.
2008-04-18 10:03 < ThePolecat> :-)
2008-04-18 10:03 * ThePolecat would rather be among the beatnikim
2008-04-18 10:04 * bumm13 NP: Lovin' Spoonful - Summer In the City (1966)
2008-04-18 10:04 < ThePolecat> John Sebastian had an awful performance at Woodstock.
2008-04-18 10:05 < Bacta> Thanh says:
2008-04-18 10:05 < Bacta> i wanna have sex
2008-04-18 10:05 < Bacta> I love how open that girl is :x
2008-04-18 10:05 < bumm13> yeah
2008-04-18 10:05 < ThePolecat> Makes coordination easier.
2008-04-18 10:05 < ThePolecat> (whoever Thanh is)
2008-04-18 10:06 < bumm13> although others not shown in the 1970 documentary movie did as well
2008-04-18 10:06 < ThePolecat> Who is Thanh?
2008-04-18 10:06 < Bacta> my gf
2008-04-18 10:07 < ThePolecat> Oh.
2008-04-18 10:07 < ThePolecat> Why's she on the Woodstock movie?
2008-04-18 10:07 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-18 10:07 < Bacta> hey totally unreleated but what's the wiki code for a heading? I assume it's not like the == for pywiki?
2008-04-18 10:07 < Lycurgus> is she vietnamese?
2008-04-18 10:07 < Bacta> yep
2008-04-18 10:07 < bumm13> apparently the Grateful Dead had electrical/setup issues during their set and kept getting zapped :x
2008-04-18 10:07 < ideogram> == heading == should work fine
2008-04-18 10:07 < Lycurgus> is she hot?
2008-04-18 10:07 < Bacta> thanks ideo
2008-04-18 10:08 < ideogram> welcome
2008-04-18 10:08 < bumm13> (and was raining damn hard)
2008-04-18 10:08 < Bacta> Lycurgus: She's Asian so yes lol
2008-04-18 10:08 * Lycurgus waves to Ms. Thanh Bangworthy
2008-04-18 10:08 < bumm13> I don't think Creedence had that great of a set either
2008-04-18 10:08 < bumm13> (they weren't shown in the movie)
2008-04-18 10:08 < ideogram> does she know you just told us all about her?
2008-04-18 10:09 < Bacta> nope but she wouldn't care
2008-04-18 10:09 < Bacta> that whole conservative asian thing is such a myth
2008-04-18 10:09 * ThePolecat knows quite a few Conservative Asians, including Vietnamese
2008-04-18 10:10 < ideogram> hmmm most of the asian girls I grew up with were very conservative
2008-04-18 10:10 < ideogram> immigrant families from traditional cultures tend to be
2008-04-18 10:10 < ThePolecat> Well, especially when they had to flee the Communists for ideological reasons.
2008-04-18 10:10 < ideogram> polecat is wise
2008-04-18 10:10 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-18 10:11 < Bacta> well not all but they are getting increasingly open
2008-04-18 10:11 < Bacta> her parents are pretty conservative though and anytime we meet old family relations we have to be introduced as fiances lol
2008-04-18 10:11 < bumm13> there's a man who runs an auto parts store and repair shop locally
2008-04-18 10:12 < ThePolecat> they are not hmong the laod people!
2008-04-18 10:12 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-18 10:12 < bumm13> he has a banner in his business's front window about having been a South Vietnam vet during the Vietnam-American War
2008-04-18 10:12 < bumm13> (with the old South Vietnam flag on it)
2008-04-18 10:13 * Bacta has been to Vietnam
2008-04-18 10:13 < ThePolecat> that one is fairly ugly.
2008-04-18 10:13 < bumm13> yeah
2008-04-18 10:13 < Bacta> I even met Ho Chi Minh
2008-04-18 10:13 < ThePolecat> red on yellow doesn't work
2008-04-18 10:13 < Bacta> although he was in a case
2008-04-18 10:13 < bumm13> not too well, no
2008-04-18 10:13 < Bacta> Ho Chi Minh of Carbonite
2008-04-18 10:14 < bumm13> my mom once met a Cambodian man who literally ran on foot until he got to Thailand to escape Khmer Rouge
2008-04-18 10:14 < White_Cat> Chii!
2008-04-18 10:14 < Lycurgus> i had a mystical experience of "Ho Chi Minh" at a flop in the village
2008-04-18 10:14 < White_Cat> chii is right there
2008-04-18 10:14 < Lycurgus> a huge tome with that name appeared on the sill outside the window of my cell
2008-04-18 10:15 < bumm13> (and Pol Pot's forces and the associated atrocities)
2008-04-18 10:15 < ThePolecat> What a nappy headed beard.
2008-04-18 10:15 < Bacta> his photo is in most lounges of Vietnam
2008-04-18 10:16 < ThePolecat> the GDR had to make due with Erich Honecker.
2008-04-18 10:16 < ThePolecat> which is a great deal less impressive.
2008-04-18 10:16 < ThePolecat> than the hotness that is, say, Che Guevara.
2008-04-18 10:16 < Lycurgus> wer is dr. mowinckel?
2008-04-18 10:17 < Lycurgus> *ist
2008-04-18 10:17 < ThePolecat> Mowinckel?
2008-04-18 10:17 < Lycurgus> ja
2008-04-18 10:17 * ThePolecat only knows Mr. Zumwinkel
2008-04-18 10:17 < JessicaTaylor> Hi all.
2008-04-18 10:17 < bumm13> HI
2008-04-18 10:17 < ThePolecat> "Johan Ludwig Mowinckel (* 22. Oktober 1870 in Bergen; † 30. September 1943 in New York City) war ein norwegischer Reeder und liberaler Politiker."
2008-04-18 10:17 < bumm13> *hi
2008-04-18 10:18 < ThePolecat> also "Sigmund Mowinckel (1884 - 1965), norwegischer Alttestamentler"
2008-04-18 10:18 < ThePolecat> Dead Norwegian guys.
2008-04-18 10:18 < Lycurgus> yes, but those don't make sense in song of the same name (in german)
2008-04-18 10:18 < ThePolecat> Don't know that song
2008-04-18 10:19 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-18 10:19 < ThePolecat> "Dr. Mowinckels akuttmottak - Official Kaizers Orchestra Fan Club"
2008-04-18 10:19 < Lycurgus> (kaizers orchester)
2008-04-18 10:19 < ThePolecat> It appears to be a Norwegian song.
2008-04-18 10:19 < Cyrius> huh, a decent earthquake in southeastern illinois
2008-04-18 10:19 < ThePolecat> "decent"
2008-04-18 10:20 < bumm13> Cyrius: I read about that
2008-04-18 10:20 < ThePolecat> that reminds me of hurricane predictions
2008-04-18 10:20 < Lycurgus> 7 something or better
2008-04-18 10:20 < Cyrius> it was just a 5.2
2008-04-18 10:20 < Cyrius> enough to scare people without causing destruction
2008-04-18 10:20 < ThePolecat> "if conditions are working right, it could be a Cat 3 hurricane"
2008-04-18 10:20 < bumm13> I still remember the one that hit western Washington in 2001
2008-04-18 10:20 < ThePolecat> they seem to crave them
2008-04-18 10:21 < arcimboldo_> Once again the big Frisco quake is being predicted ...
2008-04-18 10:21 < ThePolecat> they tried to build a nuclear power station on top of the only fault in Germany
2008-04-18 10:21 < arcimboldo_> It had been predicted already during the last 15 years.
2008-04-18 10:21 < Cyrius> ThePolecat: I meant one big enough to be noticed, that's all
2008-04-18 10:21 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-04-18 10:21 < ideogram> "the perfect storm" -- like it's a good thing
2008-04-18 10:21 < Cyrius> predicting an earthquake in california is like predicting a human will die
2008-04-18 10:21 < Cyrius> it'll happen eventually
2008-04-18 10:22 < ThePolecat> Or in Istanbul for that matter.
2008-04-18 10:22 < ideogram> they are a little more specific, they say it will happen in 30 years
2008-04-18 10:22 * ThePolecat was in Turkey when the big earthquake happened
2008-04-18 10:22 < ThePolecat> it was pretty intense
2008-04-18 10:22 < arcimboldo_> When was that?
2008-04-18 10:23 < Lycurgus> SF will get at least 1 serious quake a century;it's already had 2 in last one.
2008-04-18 10:23 < ThePolecat> hm
2008-04-18 10:23 < arcimboldo_> In the Tokyo the big earthquake is overdue too.
2008-04-18 10:23 < arcimboldo_> There's a >7 earthquake approximately every 70 years, and the big Kanto earthquake was in 1923.
2008-04-18 10:24 < arcimboldo_> Tokyo *area*
2008-04-18 10:24 < Lycurgus> yeah but there was Kobe
2008-04-18 10:24 < arcimboldo_> yeah but that was Kobe
2008-04-18 10:24 < ThePolecat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_%C4%B0zmit_earthquake
2008-04-18 10:24 < ThePolecat> this one
2008-04-18 10:24 < Werdna> mmm.. reverse gambler's fallacy.
2008-04-18 10:24 < Lycurgus> the stress points can'd be that far away
2008-04-18 10:24 < Lycurgus> *can't
2008-04-18 10:24 < bumm13> not entirely
2008-04-18 10:25 < bumm13> earthquakes do have basis in geological realities
2008-04-18 10:25 < Cyrius> although there is a probability aspect to it
2008-04-18 10:25 < bumm13> the notion of "I will win eventually" is silly
2008-04-18 10:25 < bumm13> yeah
2008-04-18 10:26 < Werdna> bumm13: no no no, the reverse gambler's fallacy is "These things happen once every 100 years, and it just happened, so it's not going to happen tomorrow"
2008-04-18 10:26 < arcimboldo_> The Vesuv's next eruption is also overdue
2008-04-18 10:26 < bumm13> well, that's simply not the case
2008-04-18 10:26 < bumm13> Werdna: good example - in 1990, my hometown area had a bad "100 year" flood
2008-04-18 10:26 < ThePolecat> Meh, Google Maps route planner doesn't extend to Turkey
2008-04-18 10:27 < bumm13> it's had two just as bad or worse since then :P
2008-04-18 10:27 < Cyrius> Werdna: there is an element of truth to that with earthquakes...although we can't be sure
2008-04-18 10:27 < ThePolecat> We've had about three "storms of the century" in the last five years
2008-04-18 10:27 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-18 10:27 < Cyrius> bumm13: where's your hometown?
2008-04-18 10:27 < Werdna> it's one of two main fallacies that occur due to failing to recognise that events are independent.
2008-04-18 10:27 < ThePolecat> Including [[Kyrill]]
2008-04-18 10:27 < Werdna> of course, with earthquakes it's a bit more complicated
2008-04-18 10:27 < ideogram> of course earthquakes on the same fault are not independent
2008-04-18 10:27 < bumm13> Cyrius - interior SW Wash.
2008-04-18 10:27 < Werdna> because the events aren't necessarily independent.
2008-04-18 10:27 < Werdna> ideogram: right.
2008-04-18 10:27 < pengo> but not having an earthquake actually does make another one more likely.. at least that's why my geology teacher wouldn't move to california
2008-04-18 10:27 < ideogram> haha
2008-04-18 10:28 < Werdna> same goes for volcanoes
2008-04-18 10:28 < Werdna> but floods, meteor strikes, all that jazz, fall into that category
2008-04-18 10:28 < Cyrius> bumm13: don't know about flood control over there, but a lot of flood control efforts have made floods worse
2008-04-18 10:29 < bumm13> Cyrius: there hasn't been much attempt at flood control in that area
2008-04-18 10:32 < bumm13> it's quite rural but the flooding affects I-5
2008-04-18 10:55 < Lycurgus> np (auf recordcaster.de): Dr. Mowinckel
2008-04-18 10:59 < Lycurgus> *jp
2008-04-18 10:59 < Lycurgus> *js
2008-04-18 11:09 < kingturtle> rehi
2008-04-18 11:10 < Lycurgus> reyello
2008-04-18 11:11 < arcimboldo_> are the delegates from North Korea attending the Pope's speech at the UN assembly?
2008-04-18 11:13 < Lycurgus> wie fuhlst du uber Der Pabst arcimboldo?
2008-04-18 11:13 < arcimboldo_> Ja
2008-04-18 11:13 < Lycurgus> *papst
2008-04-18 11:19 < exizt> hello
2008-04-18 11:19 < exizt> can anyone see what i'm typing?
2008-04-18 11:20 < Poisson_Pilote> yes ;)
2008-04-18 11:20 < exizt> oh, great. could you please tell me, on what channel can i get help on Mediawiki engine?
2008-04-18 11:20 < Lycurgus> #mediawiki
2008-04-18 11:20 < ideogram> this so rocks http://youtube.com/watch?v=NpNQkDSP8kc&feature=related
2008-04-18 11:20 < exizt> thanks!
2008-04-18 11:26 < ThePolecat> NOM! NOM! *eatz carrotz
2008-04-18 11:29 < Working_Cat> meow!!
2008-04-18 11:38 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-04-18 11:40 < quanticle> Has brown_cat been perma-banned from #wikipedia?
2008-04-18 11:40 < Cyrius> dunno if it's permanent
2008-04-18 11:40 < Cyrius> but it's of indefinite length
2008-04-18 11:41 < quanticle> Ah. Ok.
2008-04-18 11:41 < quanticle> What did the cat do?
2008-04-18 11:41 * Cyrius wonders how many people are going to individually ask
2008-04-18 11:42 < quanticle> Cyrius: Lots.
2008-04-18 11:42 < noodlesgc> who is brown_cat?
2008-04-18 11:43 < Lycurgus> a kid in au.
2008-04-18 11:43 < Cyrius> who goes through periods of being a problem
2008-04-18 11:43 < Lycurgus> all boy apparently
2008-04-18 11:43 < arcimboldo_> in au?
2008-04-18 11:44 * ThePolecat gets covered with Au
2008-04-18 11:44 < Lycurgus> ni hao yao
2008-04-18 11:44 < yao_ziyuan> china's anti-west sentiment has led to things like this picture: http://vanguards-of-freedom.googlegroups.com/web/7566098_15797063.jpg?gda=cLB2zUUAAACA-BYeBzY6FbGOR6_H2zhbSDci2K9Ene2OyHnr7sFHQWG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDTKDs92jSk5mTWBYmuWjx2RtDd1nxYBch46WnIvnlj_5A&gsc=lRDdEwsAAAA61-K2oimLevtt5vwDYf_A
2008-04-18 11:44 * quanticle covers ThePolecat in Hg
2008-04-18 11:45 < Working_Cat> quanticle: he put "stuff" in his quit msg
2008-04-18 11:45 < Cyrius> my hatred of bad urls has led me to things like vomiting
2008-04-18 11:45 * ThePolecat rings down the curtain and joins the choir invisible
2008-04-18 11:45 * yao_ziyuan likes plain direct urls
2008-04-18 11:45 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: You have really got to start using tinyurl
2008-04-18 11:45 < quanticle> On the other hand, we sorta know its not goatse if he doesn't mask it with tinyurl
2008-04-18 11:45 < Working_Cat> heh in that case, no one will click it anyways :D
2008-04-18 11:46 < Working_Cat> lol exactly my point
2008-04-18 11:46 < yao_ziyuan> viewership of this picture is worth my labor of visiting tinyurl.com:
2008-04-18 11:46 < yao_ziyuan> http://tinyurl.com/5mj792
2008-04-18 11:46 < Cyrius> no, it wasn't
2008-04-18 11:46 < Cyrius> it was a fairly worthless image
2008-04-18 11:47 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Meh. Fairly standard for Chinese internet propaganda.
2008-04-18 11:48 * ThePolecat still considers getting Paralympics tickets
2008-04-18 11:48 < ThePolecat> that would be rad
2008-04-18 11:48 < Lycurgus> quanticle: you can read chinese. I thought yao and nadis were the only ones.
2008-04-18 11:48 * ThePolecat decides to wait for London