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2008-04-17 23:52 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mpellegr/masters_thesis.pdf
2008-04-17 23:53 * Cream checks for copypasta
2008-04-17 23:53 < Ceiling_Cat> I'll have to secretly stuff a cat between the signature pages
2008-04-17 23:53 < Cream> well
2008-04-17 23:53 < Cream> try formatting the text so it looks like a cat
2008-04-17 23:53 < Lucifer_Cat> a bobcat?
2008-04-17 23:54 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: whats your mascot?
2008-04-17 23:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - in the appendix with the C source code, I'll have to add /* ==^o.o^== */
2008-04-17 23:54 < Cream> yeah
2008-04-17 23:54 < Cream> best idea
2008-04-17 23:54 < Cream> :)
2008-04-17 23:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - fighting blue hen
2008-04-17 23:54 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.udel.edu/main/about/bluehen.html
2008-04-17 23:55 < Cream> try \ /\
2008-04-17 23:55 < Cream> ) ( ')
2008-04-17 23:55 < Cream> ( / )
2008-04-17 23:55 < Cream> \(__)|
2008-04-17 23:55 < Cream> ( o.o )
2008-04-17 23:55 < Cream> > ^ <
2008-04-17 23:55 < Ceiling_Cat> [[YoUDee]]
2008-04-17 23:55 < Gracenotes> not sure if that'll compile
2008-04-17 23:55 < Ceiling_Cat> That's our mascot
2008-04-17 23:55 * Ceiling_Cat makes a mental note - needz pixxxxxx
2008-04-17 23:55 < Cream> make it into a comment
2008-04-17 23:56 < Cream> wait
2008-04-17 23:56 < Cream> you work with a old supercomputar?
2008-04-17 23:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - yes
2008-04-17 23:56 < Cream> what does it run?
2008-04-17 23:56 < Ceiling_Cat> programs
2008-04-17 23:57 < Cream> well
2008-04-17 23:57 < Cream> OS
2008-04-17 23:57 < uberpenguin> Plan 9 duh
2008-04-17 23:57 < Ceiling_Cat> the computer itself doesn't have an OS, it has a runtime system
2008-04-17 23:57 < Ceiling_Cat> the login node runs a very, very stripped down version of unix (I think)
2008-04-17 23:57 < Ceiling_Cat> it's the only unix system I've ever seen that had no text editor besides vi
2008-04-17 23:58 < Cream> would it run Ubuntu?
2008-04-17 23:58 < Fennec> bah. ed!
2008-04-17 23:58 < Ceiling_Cat> (I had heard such things existed, but I refused to believe it)
2008-04-17 23:58 < uberpenguin> I've worked on old Tru64 systems with nothing but vi
2008-04-17 23:58 < uberpenguin> you have to know vi if you use nixes
2008-04-17 23:58 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - the login node? I suppose it could. It's probably just a plain x86 system
2008-04-17 23:58 < Ceiling_Cat> (a replacable one at that)
2008-04-17 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> cream - ok, the way it works, most supercomputers do not have an operating system
2008-04-18 00:00 < Cream> ah ok
2008-04-18 00:00 * Lucifer_Cat has worked on a very stripped down kernel only versions of linux
2008-04-18 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> instead, the way most of them work is they are connected to a plain vanilla x86 system called the login node
2008-04-18 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> (much teh same way in the 60s, the arpanet had imps connected to the real computers)
2008-04-18 00:00 * Lucifer_Cat listens
2008-04-18 00:00 < Cream> tl:dr
2008-04-18 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> the login node does all the OS stuff, like mounting a file system, networking, and whatnot
2008-04-18 00:00 < Cream> ah i understand
2008-04-18 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> and you invoke a run command to use the supercomputer
2008-04-18 00:00 < Cream> in montreal, there is a Altix 4700
2008-04-18 00:01 < Ceiling_Cat> so when I want to run a program on the MTA, I log into to the login node, using vi to write my program, compile it with cc, and then I run it with mtarun
2008-04-18 00:01 < Ceiling_Cat> mtarun invokes the supercomputer
2008-04-18 00:01 < Cream> ah okay
2008-04-18 00:02 < Simeon_H> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3928695593212006635&q=The+Great+Global+Warming+Swindle&ei=pQkISNuwGYj84AKMhpHnDg
2008-04-18 00:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Simeon_H - ugh
2008-04-18 00:02 < Ceiling_Cat> don't link to that propaganda plz
2008-04-18 00:02 < miranda> privatemusings: are you still up
2008-04-18 00:02 < privatemusings> yup
2008-04-18 00:02 < Cream> What was the fastest supercomputer you ever worked on?
2008-04-18 00:02 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: unless it's for purposes of laughing at. :)
2008-04-18 00:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - hrm....
2008-04-18 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Cream - according to what benchmark?
2008-04-18 00:03 < Cream> yup
2008-04-18 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Different supercomputers do worse or better on different problems
2008-04-18 00:04 < Cream> ah okay
2008-04-18 00:04 < Ceiling_Cat> most people use Linpack to rank them
2008-04-18 00:04 < Cream> well, one of my friends has access to the Altix 4700 at the Université de Montréal
2008-04-18 00:04 < Ceiling_Cat> if you confine yourself to linpack, I haven't really worked on any world-class systems (because most of those belong in industry, not academia)
2008-04-18 00:05 < Krimpet> alternatively, I suggest watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXrWE04fa9w
2008-04-18 00:06 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-04-18 00:07 < Cream> me too
2008-04-18 00:07 < Cream> good night
2008-04-18 00:07 < Cream> <3
2008-04-18 00:25 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, are you here?
2008-04-18 00:28 < Warpath> O_O
2008-04-18 00:29 < miranda> no but I am here Mark_Ryan...rawr....
2008-04-18 00:29 < miranda> :-)
2008-04-18 00:29 < Warpath> (O_O)
2008-04-18 00:31 < nokmar> wait, what does that have anything to do with you?
2008-04-18 00:32 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, I've blocked your bot pending you getting back
2008-04-18 00:33 < Warpath> woo 198 ..2 more for [[IRC:200]] \o/
2008-04-18 00:34 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan oh?
2008-04-18 00:34 < White_Cat> why?
2008-04-18 00:34 < Mark_Ryan> i've moved the templates back
2008-04-18 00:34 < White_Cat> why?
2008-04-18 00:34 < Mark_Ryan> because it's retarded
2008-04-18 00:34 < White_Cat> oh no it isnt
2008-04-18 00:34 < nokmar> he's gone rouge
2008-04-18 00:34 < Fennec> YOUR FACE is retarded! (ooooh)
2008-04-18 00:34 < nokmar> he's binging at the local makeup store
2008-04-18 00:34 * Fennec returns to idling
2008-04-18 00:34 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan I hope you have avery good reason for
2008-04-18 00:34 < White_Cat> 1) Waking em up
2008-04-18 00:35 < White_Cat> 2) mving those page
2008-04-18 00:35 < Warpath> Fennec \o/
2008-04-18 00:35 < Warpath> tillie is back wooooo \o/
2008-04-18 00:35 < White_Cat> 3) blocking the bot
2008-04-18 00:35 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, just because Commons uses "gfdl-en" to describe "the gfdl license which was used on the EN project for a while", doesn't mean that it makes sense for EN to use it too
2008-04-18 00:35 < Fennec> last I checked the policy on bots was very much "block first, ask questions afterwards" :)
2008-04-18 00:35 < Warpath> Fennec, can you make the stats pretty? :D
2008-04-18 00:35 < Fennec> Warpath: wait until I get them updating automatically again and then describe what you want with "prettiness" :P
2008-04-18 00:35 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan imagine using common sense to name license templates in a uniformal manner
2008-04-18 00:36 < White_Cat> :P
2008-04-18 00:36 < Warpath> ^_^
2008-04-18 00:36 < Fennec> bein' '''bold'''?
2008-04-18 00:36 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, as someone pointed out on the moving admin's talk page, there is already a redirect in place on commons on the title we use on En
2008-04-18 00:36 < Mark_Ryan> and one on en at the title used on Commons
2008-04-18 00:36 < Mark_Ryan> there is no issue here warranting a move and rename on the scale you are proposing
2008-04-18 00:36 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan yes and we have a probelm stemming from that
2008-04-18 00:37 < Mark_Ryan> where is the problem?
2008-04-18 00:37 < Mark_Ryan> i had a look but you didn't explain it in your "uncontroversial" request for a page move
2008-04-18 00:37 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan there are multiple wikis with the {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}} tag
2008-04-18 00:37 < White_Cat> each has a different flavor
2008-04-18 00:38 < Mark_Ryan> okay, so the proper title it should be renamed to is something like {{GFDL-with-disclaimers-en}}
2008-04-18 00:38 < Mark_Ryan> the loss of descriptiveness to just going to {{GFDL-en}} is the big problem here
2008-04-18 00:39 < Bacta> Hi I've been blocked from Wikipedia by Gadfium (I'm Bactoid) -- what happened last night is well documented if logs are kept of this channel and I infact asked someone to help me fix the mistake I made (accidentally replacing a page)
2008-04-18 00:39 < Mike_H> privatemusings: I need a Skype invite
2008-04-18 00:39 < Mike_H> to the new chat room
2008-04-18 00:39 < privatemusings> i think i can do that!
2008-04-18 00:40 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, is it possible to use a more descriptive name for it, like {{GFDL-with-disclaimers-en}}?
2008-04-18 00:40 < privatemusings> do i have you as a contact?
2008-04-18 00:40 * privatemusings goes to check....
2008-04-18 00:40 < Bacta> Furthermore he reverted a recent edit I made claiming it was a rumour. Not true
2008-04-18 00:40 < Bacta> who can I talk to?
2008-04-18 00:42 < Mike_H> privatemusings: I'm not in the room :(
2008-04-18 00:42 < Fennec> Bacta: logs do exist, but there are limitations on their use. better to use Wikipedia proper.
2008-04-18 00:42 < Bacta> Fennec: I've been blocked from editing for "vandalism" this is not the case and anyone here last night can back me on this
2008-04-18 00:43 < miranda> yeah I am working on topic banning someone
2008-04-18 00:43 < miranda> it's fucking hard work
2008-04-18 00:43 < Fennec> Bacta: ah, that. there's a mailing list, then? >.>
2008-04-18 00:43 < Mark_Ryan> 12:40:14 pm >> <Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, is it possible to use a more descriptive name for it, like {{GFDL-with-disclaimers-en}}?
2008-04-18 00:43 < miranda> I was going to do RFC, but damn I am sick of mediation
2008-04-18 00:44 < Alkivar> wow this little black kid is a fucking moron
2008-04-18 00:44 < Alkivar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnGCbZ503g&feature=related
2008-04-18 00:44 < White_Cat> where were we?
2008-04-18 00:44 < White_Cat> what was the last thing I have said?
2008-04-18 00:44 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan how is that more descriptive?
2008-04-18 00:44 < White_Cat> for a person who only understands non-english
2008-04-18 00:44 < White_Cat> template names in english do not necesaily make sence
2008-04-18 00:44 < White_Cat> *sense
2008-04-18 00:45 < Mark_Ryan> yes, but we're talking about stuff on the English Wikipedia here
2008-04-18 00:45 < White_Cat> -en is the ISO english language code
2008-04-18 00:45 < Mark_Ryan> you could grab any license off the English Wikipedia and call it "-en"
2008-04-18 00:45 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan we are talking about the licnese of these images when they are moved to commons
2008-04-18 00:45 < OverlordQ> Alkivar: somebody call up the partyvan
2008-04-18 00:45 < miranda> and what's so funny is...he fucking puts up a rebuttal "like he thinks he is stalked"
2008-04-18 00:45 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan no I dont because there is only one english.wiki only licnese
2008-04-18 00:45 < Alkivar> the tards on /b/ already dugg him
2008-04-18 00:45 < miranda> please, he doesn't know the meaning of stalking
2008-04-18 00:46 < White_Cat> {{GFDL}} template has many translations on commons
2008-04-18 00:46 < White_Cat> {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}} is not a english wiki-only problem
2008-04-18 00:46 < White_Cat> several wikis have coppied the template "with disclaimers"
2008-04-18 00:47 < White_Cat> when they are moved to commons they all should have a different flavor
2008-04-18 00:47 < Mark_Ryan> hm, okay
2008-04-18 00:47 < Mark_Ryan> i'll move it back and unblock
2008-04-18 00:47 < Mark_Ryan> but can you please write an explanation for the move on its en.wp talk page or something?
2008-04-18 00:48 < Mark_Ryan> without this explanation it made no sense to me, hence why i stepped in to stop any potential damage being done
2008-04-18 00:48 < White_Cat> "move on its en.wp talk page"?
2008-04-18 00:48 < White_Cat> you mean the talk page of the template?
2008-04-18 00:48 < Mark_Ryan> yep
2008-04-18 00:48 < White_Cat> oh they werent moved?
2008-04-18 00:48 < Mark_Ryan> just explaining why the rename is useful to commons and necessary
2008-04-18 00:48 < White_Cat> oh "write an explanation"
2008-04-18 00:48 < White_Cat> I can do that
2008-04-18 00:49 < White_Cat> Is it obvious I just wokeup? :)
2008-04-18 00:50 < Mark_Ryan> heh
2008-04-18 00:50 < Mark_Ryan> I've moved them to the commons titles
2008-04-18 00:51 < Mark_Ryan> and your bot unblocked
2008-04-18 00:51 < gomez_> please ... help us ... our house has no internet!
2008-04-18 00:52 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat: so yeah when you get a chance soon put the explanation on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:GFDL-en and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:GFDL-self-en
2008-04-18 00:52 < Mark_Ryan> gomez_: omg why?
2008-04-18 00:52 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan posting something now
2008-04-18 00:52 < gomez_> its the plot of the latest southpark :D
2008-04-18 00:52 < White_Cat> I will copy paste the same thing to both of them :)
2008-04-18 00:52 < Warpath> :O
2008-04-18 00:53 < Mark_Ryan> thanks, White_Cat :)
2008-04-18 00:54 < White_Cat> I am still suprised how I woke up at 07:34:02 with
2008-04-18 00:54 < White_Cat> "[2008-04-18 07:34:02] <Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, I've blocked your bot pending you getting back"
2008-04-18 00:55 < White_Cat> since I heard the phrase completely I should have been semi awake
2008-04-18 00:55 < Mark_Ryan> do you have your name + 'blocked' on highlight? heh
2008-04-18 00:55 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan no
2008-04-18 00:55 < Mark_Ryan> what, you have it read out IRC?
2008-04-18 00:55 < White_Cat> I have my name highlighted
2008-04-18 00:55 < White_Cat> yea
2008-04-18 00:55 < Mark_Ryan> wow :)
2008-04-18 00:55 < White_Cat> whenever my nick is mentioned
2008-04-18 00:55 < White_Cat> its very helful when you have the irc discussion in the background :)
2008-04-18 00:56 < White_Cat> it actualy is a 4 line code on mirc
2008-04-18 00:58 < Mark_Ryan> i had no idea mIRC could do that, White_Cat. flash
2008-04-18 00:58 < Alkivar> you dont need to do it with code
2008-04-18 00:58 < White_Cat> on *:start:{
2008-04-18 00:58 < White_Cat> gload -h Computer " $+ $mircdir $+ computer.acs"
2008-04-18 00:58 < Alkivar> theres an option to highlight on word anyways
2008-04-18 00:58 < White_Cat> }
2008-04-18 00:58 < White_Cat> that loads it when mirc is started
2008-04-18 00:59 < Alkivar> tools > option > irc > highlight > add ....
2008-04-18 00:59 < Mark_Ryan> Alkivar, this reads out the lines aloud
2008-04-18 00:59 < Alkivar> oh i hate text to speech
2008-04-18 01:00 < White_Cat> on *:text:*:#: {
2008-04-18 01:00 < White_Cat> if ($me isin $1-) {
2008-04-18 01:00 < White_Cat> gtalk computer $1-
2008-04-18 01:00 < White_Cat> }
2008-04-18 01:00 < White_Cat> }
2008-04-18 01:01 < White_Cat> my code is more complicated than that of course
2008-04-18 01:04 < enok|walker> hay dodos
2008-04-18 01:04 < enok|walker> I mean doods
2008-04-18 01:05 < enok|walker> I think the dodo was an awesome species so you can take that as a compliment I guess?
2008-04-18 01:06 < Chris_G> wern't they killed because they were to stupid to fly away when being attacked or am I thinking of another bird?
2008-04-18 01:07 < enok|walker> they evolved in the absense of predators so they couldn't do crap when dogs, rats, etc came :/
2008-04-18 01:10 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan
2008-04-18 01:10 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGFDL-with-disclaimers&diff=206429914&oldid=206428662
2008-04-18 01:10 < White_Cat> can you please help sort this
2008-04-18 01:12 < Mark_Ryan> yep let me look
2008-04-18 01:12 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan
2008-04-18 01:12 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:GFDL-with-disclaimers
2008-04-18 01:12 < White_Cat> I posted a rationale
2008-04-18 01:12 < White_Cat> I can post it in greater detail but it would bore people
2008-04-18 01:14 < miranda> yeah Mark_Ryan can I please talk to you after White_Cat
2008-04-18 01:14 < Mark_Ryan> you can talk to me now
2008-04-18 01:14 < Mark_Ryan> i just won't read it or respond
2008-04-18 01:14 < Mark_Ryan> until after i'm finished. lol
2008-04-18 01:15 < White_Cat> k
2008-04-18 01:16 < White_Cat> :P
2008-04-18 01:16 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dragons_flight
2008-04-18 01:16 < White_Cat> hmm
2008-04-18 01:16 < White_Cat> user seems lesser active :P
2008-04-18 01:16 < firemonkey93> Hi, I was just wondering are there any specific templates to put on an Image to say that you uploaded it to put in an article that you are currently writing in the user namespace? Thanks
2008-04-18 01:19 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat, I am not going to undo his moves
2008-04-18 01:19 < Mark_Ryan> i'm not ready to wheel war over this.
2008-04-18 01:19 < White_Cat> I would not imagine that
2008-04-18 01:19 < White_Cat> and technicaly he is wheel waring not you :)
2008-04-18 01:19 < miranda> ok
2008-04-18 01:19 < Mark_Ryan> no, i think i started it by wheel warring with myself. lol
2008-04-18 01:19 < miranda> ok I am trying to topic ban someone
2008-04-18 01:19 < Mark_Ryan> miranda, what's topic banning?
2008-04-18 01:19 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan well..
2008-04-18 01:19 < miranda> and that person is using a rebuttal trolling and calling me uncivil
2008-04-18 01:20 < miranda> topic banning is where an editor can't edit within a topic
2008-04-18 01:20 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan you read my post to the talk page?
2008-04-18 01:20 < Mark_Ryan> yep, i got conflicted with it
2008-04-18 01:21 < Mark_Ryan> miranda, how do you get someone topic banned?
2008-04-18 01:21 < miranda> go to ani
2008-04-18 01:21 < miranda> I was thinking about making a RFC, but he has had mediation too many times
2008-04-18 01:21 < Mark_Ryan> RfC is mostly useless
2008-04-18 01:22 < nokmar> who are you talking about?
2008-04-18 01:22 < bumm13> hia Mark_Ryan
2008-04-18 01:23 < zocky> hi Mark_Ryan
2008-04-18 01:23 < Mark_Ryan> hi bumm13 and zocky
2008-04-18 01:24 * zocky 's off to the bakery
2008-04-18 01:25 < zocky> anybody need any rolls?
2008-04-18 01:26 * Krimpet could use several of the rick variety
2008-04-18 01:26 < nokmar> as fair as I can see, you're the one being disruptive
2008-04-18 01:30 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan dealing with the disclaimer is hard
2008-04-18 01:30 < White_Cat> ja.wikipedia is yet to accept it as a problem
2008-04-18 01:30 < White_Cat> they are still using disclaimers in gfdl
2008-04-18 01:30 < Mark_Ryan> sounds like they need an Intervention
2008-04-18 01:31 < White_Cat> they have one
2008-04-18 01:31 < White_Cat> they are paying no attention to it :)
2008-04-18 01:31 < White_Cat> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_for_Non-Japanese_Speakers#GFDL
2008-04-18 01:33 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan perhaps you can comment there too
2008-04-18 01:33 < White_Cat> they may be more inclined to listen to two people commenting
2008-04-18 01:35 < firemonkey93> hello?
2008-04-18 01:37 < nokmar> hello
2008-04-18 01:46 < miranda> hi nokmar
2008-04-18 01:56 < Bacta> Hi are there any admins around who can review my unblock request?
2008-04-18 01:57 < miranda> Mark_Ryan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miranda/notebook
2008-04-18 02:00 < Warpath> miranda Justin still stalking you ? o-o
2008-04-18 02:01 < miranda> waiting for another user to add to it
2008-04-18 02:01 < Warpath> :D
2008-04-18 02:11 < miranda> anyway wonderfool's socks was blocked on enwikt
2008-04-18 02:11 < miranda> one of
2008-04-18 02:11 < miranda> http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Keene
2008-04-18 02:43 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan
2008-04-18 02:43 < White_Cat> http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html
2008-04-18 02:44 < White_Cat> have you seen that?
2008-04-18 03:40 < Lubaf> Me and Julio down by the lanyard...
2008-04-18 03:43 * Ceiling_Cat watches Lubaf and Julio
2008-04-18 03:43 < Lubaf> So give them blood / Blood / Gallons of the stuff / Give them all that they can drink and it will never be enough / So give them blood / Blood / Bloooood / Grab a glass because there's going to be a flood...
2008-04-18 03:44 < Lubaf> The only song by my Chemical Romance I know. But it's a great song.
2008-04-18 03:44 < Lubaf> I'm afraid to hear anything else by them, though, given their reputation.
2008-04-18 04:05 < Kyriaki> I was using StumbleUpon, and I came across a wikipedia article with 40 thumbs up that is marked for deletion. What gives?
2008-04-18 04:06 < Kyriaki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCunn http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCunn
2008-04-18 04:12 < noopur28> any idea bout scholarships?
2008-04-18 04:14 < Kyriaki> I changed it myself, and anyone who doesn't like it can do something undesirable with themselves.
2008-04-18 04:15 * bumm13 raises an eyebrow
2008-04-18 04:26 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-04-18 04:26 < Lubaf> What's new?
2008-04-18 04:27 < The359> newdz
2008-04-18 04:27 < Lubaf> Anybody heard somebody called "vandal" who wasn't reportable on [[WP:VIP]] lately?
2008-04-18 04:27 < Kyriaki> The vienna sausage article is looking much better than it did a while back.
2008-04-18 04:28 * Lubaf is curious whether his "Avoid the word 'Vandal'" essay managed to kill that particular annoying canard.
2008-04-18 04:28 < AdamBishop> I wish we could indefinitely semi-protect articles
2008-04-18 04:28 < Raccoon> the vienna sausage article got vandalized?
2008-04-18 04:28 < AdamBishop> articles on Greek gods and goddesses are particularly prone to high school vandalism
2008-04-18 04:28 < Kyriaki> Nope, it just sucked horribly,
2008-04-18 04:28 < AdamBishop> every day I have to revert someone comparing his girlfriend to Aphrodite
2008-04-18 04:29 < Kyriaki> And so someone dared me to mark it as needing expert help, I did, and now it's a decent little thing.
2008-04-18 04:29 * Raccoon considers adding this external link as a reference for [[vienna sausage]]; http://www.filmcow.com/flash-hanginoutatthegrill.html
2008-04-18 04:30 < Kyriaki> I'm so glad that there are sausage experts on the internet.
2008-04-18 04:30 < Raccoon> AdamBishop, hire them as a meat bot
2008-04-18 04:30 < AdamBishop> what's a meat bot?
2008-04-18 04:30 < Raccoon> someone who does repetative nonsense things which would seem to take too much effort
2008-04-18 04:31 < Raccoon> i just made it up, but seemed appropriate to vienna sausage :P
2008-04-18 04:33 < AdamBishop> I think you mixed up me and Kyriaki?
2008-04-18 04:33 < Raccoon> possibly
2008-04-18 04:47 < Lubaf> [[WP:DUH]] needs to be linked to a bit more widely.
2008-04-18 04:47 < Lubaf> Anybody have any suggestions of places I could mention it?
2008-04-18 04:53 < Werdna> hi Haley
2008-04-18 04:53 < Werdna> Lubaf: looking
2008-04-18 04:54 < Werdna> Lubaf: I like that
2008-04-18 04:54 < Lubaf> Werdna: I knew you would.
2008-04-18 04:55 < Lubaf> It's a good little essay.
2008-04-18 04:55 < Lubaf> With too few links.
2008-04-18 04:55 < Lubaf> Which is what I'm trying to figure out how to remedy.
2008-04-18 05:02 < AdamBishop> I would be surprised that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia
2008-04-18 05:03 < AdamBishop> Wikipedia is, after all, not really an encyclopedia
2008-04-18 05:03 < Raccoon> ok.
2008-04-18 05:03 < Raccoon> is that because nobody's making billions of dollars off its publication?
2008-04-18 05:04 < Raccoon> or because you don't need a PhD to reference some PhD's work?
2008-04-18 05:04 < Raccoon> Wikipedia is, after all, not a source of original research.
2008-04-18 05:05 < Raccoon> nor is any encyclopedia
2008-04-18 05:05 < AdamBishop> both I suppose. At its "best" (i.e. the Featured Articles), Wikipedia has turned into a collection of essays
2008-04-18 05:05 < Raccoon> so there's better reading on Wikipedia
2008-04-18 05:06 < AdamBishop> what other encyclopedia requires citations and bibliographies? None of course; encyclopedias are themselves meant to be a source, and Wikipedia can never have the prestige that makes, say, Britannica, a usable source
2008-04-18 05:06 < Raccoon> instead of just the summary, you get the entire essay
2008-04-18 05:06 < Raccoon> who trusts the Britannica?
2008-04-18 05:06 < pengo> i do.
2008-04-18 05:06 < Raccoon> nobody knows where that material came from
2008-04-18 05:07 < AdamBishop> so now it is the curious quasi-encyclopedia that consists of lots of essays
2008-04-18 05:07 < Werdna> AdamBishop: you shouldn't cite britannica anyway
2008-04-18 05:07 < AdamBishop> lots of people...under-educated adults, little children, the elderly
2008-04-18 05:07 < Raccoon> certainly if they're talking about relativity, they better mention the duke of e=mc³
2008-04-18 05:07 < Raccoon> er ²
2008-04-18 05:07 < Mark_Ryan> e=mc³, that's new
2008-04-18 05:07 < AdamBishop> no of course you shouldn't cite Britannica, but you *can*
2008-04-18 05:07 < Mark_Ryan> you must be like Einstein on steroids
2008-04-18 05:07 < pengo> even if britannica were 10x better sourced and twice as reliable than wikipedia (which it isn't), who cares? who'd bother to buy britannica these days?
2008-04-18 05:08 < Raccoon> Einstein in 3D technicolor
2008-04-18 05:08 < Mark_Ryan> :)
2008-04-18 05:08 < AdamBishop> I can use Britannica for free
2008-04-18 05:09 < AdamBishop> but I don't, because there are too many steps involved :)
2008-04-18 05:09 < pengo> AdamBishop: yeah, i have a local library too :)
2008-04-18 05:09 < Raccoon> what's more important is that more publications in the last 5 years have referenced Wikipedia than ALL other encylopedias together.
2008-04-18 05:09 < Raccoon> "according to wikipedia"
2008-04-18 05:10 < Raccoon> smarmy jokes asside, it's a work of works.
2008-04-18 05:10 < AdamBishop> I don't think that necessarily makes it an accurate encyclopedia
2008-04-18 05:10 < AdamBishop> it just makes it a convenient, free website
2008-04-18 05:10 < Raccoon> point out the inaccuracies
2008-04-18 05:11 < Raccoon> (assuming you've done so)
2008-04-18 05:11 < Raccoon> go fix them
2008-04-18 05:11 < pengo> AdamBishop: yup
2008-04-18 05:11 < Raccoon> (assuming you've done so)
2008-04-18 05:11 < AdamBishop> I am fixing them. What do you think I've been doing for the past six years
2008-04-18 05:12 < AdamBishop> I am just saying it isn't an encyclopedia. It is what it is.
2008-04-18 05:12 < AdamBishop> and now I'm going to sleep!
2008-04-18 05:13 < Raccoon`> bah, frickin power spikes
2008-04-18 05:13 < Raccoon`> [03:13] <Raccoon> now calculate the total sum of paper consumed and costs encurred in making those corrections and publishing the new edition
2008-04-18 05:13 < Raccoon`> [03:14] <Raccoon> compare to Britannica
2008-04-18 05:16 < Raccoon`> but if it makes anyone feel better... there are more PhDs contributing to Wikipedia than Britannica
2008-04-18 05:16 < Lycurgus> it is not "prestige" that gives britannica its value but rather the fact that the macropedia articles are written by authorities on whatever the subject is.
2008-04-18 05:16 < Raccoon`> they aren't on wikipedia?
2008-04-18 05:16 < Lycurgus> SFAIK, this advantage is largely mooted by the fact that the macropedia is 30 years old.
2008-04-18 05:17 < Lycurgus> 30+
2008-04-18 05:17 < Lycurgus> not they most certainly are not.
2008-04-18 05:18 < Raccoon`> who are they and what are they not doing?
2008-04-18 05:19 < Lycurgus> *no
2008-04-18 05:20 < Raccoon`> who are they and what are they not doing?
2008-04-18 05:20 < Lycurgus> of course authorities on subjects do articles in their area of expertise, but it's by far the exception
2008-04-18 05:21 < Raccoon`> is it?
2008-04-18 05:21 < Lycurgus> *do edit
2008-04-18 05:21 < Raccoon`> do you have any understanding of how many tens of thousands of retired physics professors there are?
2008-04-18 05:21 < Raccoon`> let alone the ones not retired
2008-04-18 05:21 < Raccoon`> and yet only a 2 decimal value of those may have ever contributed to a "macropedia"
2008-04-18 05:22 < Lycurgus> tens of thousands worldwide perhaps but not more than 1 and I seriously doubt 2.
2008-04-18 05:22 < pengo> what's with all the britannica bashing anway?
2008-04-18 05:22 < Raccoon`> and not just professors, but PhDs doing applied field work
2008-04-18 05:22 < pengo> *anyway
2008-04-18 05:23 < Raccoon`> you're pretty nuts
2008-04-18 05:23 < Raccoon`> i mean
2008-04-18 05:23 < Lycurgus> and very likely not even 1.
2008-04-18 05:23 < Raccoon`> what do retired PHDs do?
2008-04-18 05:23 < Raccoon`> they're kicking ass on wikipedia is what
2008-04-18 05:23 < Werdna> sauce plz
2008-04-18 05:24 < Lycurgus> what kind of sauce?
2008-04-18 05:26 < Kyriaki> http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/090906/nec_4844378.shtml
2008-04-18 05:26 < Raccoon`> I think actually English/Writing related articles are probably most touched by people of authority
2008-04-18 05:26 < Kyriaki> this is apparently what retired doctors do
2008-04-18 05:27 < Raccoon`> considering how poor the average American + Computer Geek 's skill with the English language is.
2008-04-18 05:29 < Kyriaki> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=retired+phd+editing+wikipedia&word2=high+school+drop+out+editing+wikipedia
2008-04-18 05:29 < Raccoon`> I actually had to rescue a professor's article out of Copyright Delete status because he copy/pasted his own original work into Wikipedia
2008-04-18 05:29 < Kyriaki> THIS IS SERIOUS GUYS
2008-04-18 05:29 < pengo> Kyriaki: wow.. that's a lot of results for both
2008-04-18 05:31 < pengo> i guess cause there's no quotes
2008-04-18 05:31 < Raccoon> lol, try it with quotes.
2008-04-18 05:32 < Kyriaki> High school dropout still wins
2008-04-18 05:33 < Raccoon> according to google though, both match 0
2008-04-18 05:34 < Kyriaki> :(
2008-04-18 05:34 < Kyriaki> FINE I'M GOING TO BED
2008-04-18 05:39 < Lycurgus> FTR: that is the official ad verecundiam fallacy since obviously it's not a comparison of dropouts vs retired phds on physics articles alone
2008-04-18 05:39 < Lycurgus> also the same fallacy of relevence in a diminushed way for retired vs. active.
2008-04-18 05:40 < Raccoon> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8cd_1208432920
2008-04-18 05:41 < Lycurgus> not to mention the fact that we're implicitly talking about the US whose educational system and general level of intellectual tone are famously poor and/or class ridden
2008-04-18 05:47 < Lycurgus> any aussies present? Is australia actually closer to indonesia than it is to new zealand?
2008-04-18 05:48 < Chris_G> yes
2008-04-18 05:49 < Lycurgus> i guess just doesn't show right on flat projectsions. Looks like borneo is just a few miles from northern australia
2008-04-18 05:50 < Lycurgus> whereas nz looks to be about a 1000 miles from nsw
2008-04-18 05:50 < Lycurgus> on a globe
2008-04-18 05:51 < Lycurgus> *projections
2008-04-18 05:52 < pengo> Lycurgus: it's culturally closer to NZ
2008-04-18 05:53 < pengo> Lycurgus: physically, I don't know.
2008-04-18 05:53 < pengo> though you can take a short boat ride from the NT to Indo.. so i'm guessing Indo is probably closer.. just not for the majority of australians
2008-04-18 05:53 < Chris_G> db lock
2008-04-18 06:03 < Netsniper> earth shaking
2008-04-18 06:03 < Netsniper> oh my
2008-04-18 06:35 < ST47> How do I pass an unnamed parameter to a template where the parameter contains an =?
2008-04-18 06:35 < ST47> Do I just do 1=?
2008-04-18 06:39 < White_Cat> ST47 yes that may be a solution
2008-04-18 06:39 < White_Cat> or you can put in the % value
2008-04-18 06:40 < ST47> the what?
2008-04-18 06:40 < ST47> Oh
2008-04-18 06:42 < White_Cat> it works
2008-04-18 06:43 < White_Cat> Lubaf you out there?
2008-04-18 06:43 < Lubaf> White_Cat: What?
2008-04-18 06:43 < White_Cat> hi
2008-04-18 06:43 < White_Cat> remember I asked you about -with-disclaimers thing?
2008-04-18 06:43 < Lubaf> White_Cat: Somebody complained because it was you doing it, right?
2008-04-18 06:43 < White_Cat> not exactly
2008-04-18 06:43 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:GFDL-with-disclaimers
2008-04-18 06:44 < White_Cat> pperantly he dislikes the new name
2008-04-18 06:44 < denelson83> apparently
2008-04-18 06:44 < White_Cat> I want the template to have a non-english name for practical purposes on commons
2008-04-18 06:44 < denelson83> @topic: Good, now go for 5000
2008-04-18 06:44 < White_Cat> Lubaf I was wondering if you could provide a 3rd party opinion as we obviously wont agree
2008-04-18 06:45 < White_Cat> and he and I are irritating each other
2008-04-18 06:45 < White_Cat> we do not mix well
2008-04-18 06:45 < Lubaf> White_Cat: I take it this is about the whole renaming?
2008-04-18 06:45 < White_Cat> Lubaf right
2008-04-18 06:45 < denelson83> What'cha bickerin' about now, White_Cat?
2008-04-18 06:45 < White_Cat> not the bots operation
2008-04-18 06:45 * Werdna solicits comment: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Global_blocking#State_of_discussion
2008-04-18 06:45 * Lubaf is not qualified to argue one way or another about this.
2008-04-18 06:45 < White_Cat> denelson83 you still owe me Barnstar.png :)
2008-04-18 06:46 < White_Cat> thats the last one that needs processing :)
2008-04-18 06:46 < denelson83> No, that other thing
2008-04-18 06:46 < Lubaf> denelson83: White_Cat changed {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}} to {{GFDL-en}} to ease moving images to commons.
2008-04-18 06:46 < White_Cat> Lubaf also there are legal issues
2008-04-18 06:46 < Lubaf> Which is where I get off, BTW.
2008-04-18 06:46 < White_Cat> there are multiple wikis with {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}} each with different disclaimers
2008-04-18 06:47 < White_Cat> ru, ar vi and ja wiki are such wikis
2008-04-18 06:47 < Lubaf> White_Cat: Thus, the need to change the title.
2008-04-18 06:47 < Lubaf> Okay.
2008-04-18 06:48 < Lubaf> I'm not qualified to weigh in on this issue.
2008-04-18 06:48 < Lubaf> Ask Raul when he comes around.
2008-04-18 06:48 < Lubaf> Or bumm13.
2008-04-18 06:48 < Lubaf> Or you could just post about the situation at [[WP:DRAMA]].
2008-04-18 06:48 < White_Cat> raul is too busy with his thesis
2008-04-18 06:49 < White_Cat> he doesnt even have time to watch people masturbate
2008-04-18 06:49 < White_Cat> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:License_tags typicaly have abriviations
2008-04-18 06:49 < White_Cat> and simple words
2008-04-18 06:49 < Lubaf> Post about it at the appropriate board.
2008-04-18 06:49 < White_Cat> like "PD-old" "PD-art"
2008-04-18 06:49 < White_Cat> Lubaf :/
2008-04-18 06:49 < Lubaf> White_Cat: [[WP:3O]] might be of help.
2008-04-18 06:49 < Lubaf> Maybe.
2008-04-18 06:50 < White_Cat> :\
2008-04-18 06:50 < White_Cat> denelson83 can you be my 3o?
2008-04-18 06:50 < Lubaf> White_Cat: I can't help you here.
2008-04-18 06:50 < White_Cat> Lubaf aw
2008-04-18 06:51 < Lubaf> White_Cat: To miniutiaey.
2008-04-18 06:51 < Lubaf> *Too
2008-04-18 06:51 < White_Cat> miniutiaey?
2008-04-18 06:52 < White_Cat> ST47 did it work for you?
2008-04-18 06:52 < Lubaf> Not very significant details.
2008-04-18 06:52 < Lubaf> = Minitua <sp>
2008-04-18 06:52 < Lubaf> Thus, Minituaey.
2008-04-18 06:52 < White_Cat> :o
2008-04-18 06:52 < White_Cat> french?
2008-04-18 06:53 < Lubaf> I don't know what language it's from.
2008-04-18 06:54 < Lubaf> It's English, mainly American English.
2008-04-18 06:55 < White_Cat> :o
2008-04-18 06:55 < Lubaf> I don't know the spelling, though.
2008-04-18 07:04 < Lubaf> xyzzy
2008-04-18 07:32 < orangesquid> i just had a thought
2008-04-18 07:33 < Mark_Ryan> is this a rare thing?
2008-04-18 07:33 < orangesquid> haha maybe
2008-04-18 07:33 < Mark_Ryan> :)
2008-04-18 07:33 < orangesquid> i propose to backronym 'wiki'
2008-04-18 07:34 < orangesquid> it needs to show (1) access to all, (2) hyperlinking among information, (3) encompasses all knowledge, and (4) is globally editable
2008-04-18 07:34 < orangesquid> hence: 'worldwide integrated knowledge interchange'
2008-04-18 07:36 < orangesquid> (cue the audience groaning)
2008-04-18 07:38 < No_one> No one's talking
2008-04-18 07:38 < Raccoon> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bd4_1208423272&Never_use_a_Lighter_to_look_inside_a_Fuel_Tanker
2008-04-18 07:48 * Mm40 is listening 2 The Beatles
2008-04-18 07:59 < Lubaf> NP: Strong Bad - Techno.
2008-04-18 07:59 < Lubaf> THE SYSTEM IS DOWN!
2008-04-18 08:02 < White_Cat> Lubaf
2008-04-18 08:02 < White_Cat> reboot
2008-04-18 08:02 < White_Cat> :P
2008-04-18 08:10 < SynergeticMag> zomg i didn't yawn
2008-04-18 08:22 < Bacta> Golbez are you around?
2008-04-18 08:24 < Bacta> anyone? ;)
2008-04-18 08:26 < theINC> lolconservapedia.
2008-04-18 08:26 < Bacta> yeah it's a bit of a joke
2008-04-18 08:26 < theINC> i can't believe that it actually is serious.
2008-04-18 08:27 < Bacta> conservatives are morons anyway
2008-04-18 08:27 < White_Cat> theINC what did you read?
2008-04-18 08:27 < White_Cat> Bacta you are giving them too much credit
2008-04-18 08:27 < Bacta> we had a bunch of them try to blame the sub-prime crisis on our prime minister
2008-04-18 08:27 < theINC> White_Cat: even thr front page is ridiculous
2008-04-18 08:27 < White_Cat> www.conservapedia. biz right?
2008-04-18 08:27 < Bacta> org i think
2008-04-18 08:28 < theINC> .com
2008-04-18 08:28 < theINC> :)
2008-04-18 08:28 < White_Cat> www.conservapedia.va right?
2008-04-18 08:28 < White_Cat> vatican
2008-04-18 08:28 < White_Cat> theINC do you think you can help me with http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload_Campaign ?
2008-04-18 08:28 < White_Cat> I am trying to write a FAQ on how images are moved to commons
2008-04-18 08:28 < Bacta> look conservatives are morons and if you try to argue with them you're wasting your own time
2008-04-18 08:29 < ThePolecat> yay for pointless things in brackets! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_riel
2008-04-18 08:29 < theINC> Bacta: true.
2008-04-18 08:29 < White_Cat> "President Bush, Thousands of Fans Welcome Pope Benedict XVI at White House on His 81st Birthday"
2008-04-18 08:29 < White_Cat> first of all T isnt capitalised there
2008-04-18 08:29 < White_Cat> nor is F, or W
2008-04-18 08:29 < White_Cat> or H
2008-04-18 08:30 < White_Cat> or B
2008-04-18 08:30 < White_Cat> god
2008-04-18 08:30 < ThePolecat> Well, the "His" is unusual
2008-04-18 08:30 < pengo> god is usually capitalised
2008-04-18 08:30 < theINC> White_Cat: what do you need from me
2008-04-18 08:30 < ThePolecat> the latter is just mainstream headline style.
2008-04-18 08:30 < White_Cat> theINC can you explain the process on how images are moved to commons there?
2008-04-18 08:30 < theINC> Not really, I don't have that much knowledge in the area.
2008-04-18 08:30 < White_Cat> :(
2008-04-18 08:31 < White_Cat> "Thousands of Fans Welcome Pope Benedict XVI"
2008-04-18 08:31 < White_Cat> capitalization aside
2008-04-18 08:31 < White_Cat> who is a fan of the Pope?
2008-04-18 08:31 < White_Cat> What is he an Idol?
2008-04-18 08:31 < Bacta> not me
2008-04-18 08:31 < pengo> catholics mostly
2008-04-18 08:31 < Leslie_S> O_o
2008-04-18 08:31 < Leslie_S> i slept through an earthquake
2008-04-18 08:31 < White_Cat> He is a holy man
2008-04-18 08:31 < arcimboldo_> what strength?
2008-04-18 08:31 < ThePolecat> A moldy hen?
2008-04-18 08:31 < White_Cat> he is supposed to be almost worshiped
2008-04-18 08:31 < theINC> I wonder if Bill O'Reily was there
2008-04-18 08:31 < arcimboldo_> or magnitude
2008-04-18 08:31 < theINC> he's a catholic
2008-04-18 08:31 < Leslie_S> arcimboldo_ 5.2
2008-04-18 08:32 < Leslie_S> arcimboldo_ but it was centered in illinois and im in michigan
2008-04-18 08:32 < arcimboldo_> How far away?
2008-04-18 08:32 < White_Cat> Leslie_S 5.2 is Ass-shaking-class
2008-04-18 08:32 < theINC> I saw an interview between O'Reily and Richard Dawkins today, kind of entertaining
2008-04-18 08:32 < arcimboldo_> We had a 5.7 one yesterday night, I woke up.
2008-04-18 08:32 < White_Cat> theINC I bet pope is having a lousy birth day
2008-04-18 08:32 < arcimboldo_> it was in Northern Honshu though
2008-04-18 08:32 < White_Cat> theINC you know whats most amusing
2008-04-18 08:32 < White_Cat> the Pope is almost anti-ammercian
2008-04-18 08:32 < White_Cat> he is anti-iraq war among other things
2008-04-18 08:33 < theINC> Yeah.
2008-04-18 08:33 < pengo> if most americans are anti iraq-war are most americans anti-american?
2008-04-18 08:33 < White_Cat> pengo no
2008-04-18 08:33 < theINC> I remember seeing something like 1/4 to 1/3rd of Democrat supporters would vote McCain if their chosen candidate didn't get in
2008-04-18 08:33 < White_Cat> they are not patriotic
2008-04-18 08:33 < Bacta> he is also anti-condoms and is contributing to aids in Africa
2008-04-18 08:33 < ThePolecat> the American non-support for the Iraq war is a fairly recent thing
2008-04-18 08:33 < White_Cat> Bacta not really
2008-04-18 08:33 < Leslie_S> arcimboldo_ it must not have been much in my area.
2008-04-18 08:34 < Leslie_S> But uhm
2008-04-18 08:34 < Leslie_S> This is what i get for skipping class.
2008-04-18 08:34 < theINC> ThePolecat: Green Day kind of made it a cool thing to not like George Bush
2008-04-18 08:34 < Leslie_S> If i didnt skip english comp i wouldnt have missed it.,.
2008-04-18 08:34 < Bacta> White: Why?
2008-04-18 08:34 < ThePolecat> I don't need Green Day to tell me that, really.
2008-04-18 08:35 < theINC> It's true, but the masses of teenagers who bought their CDs (or even the ones who torrented them) listen to them.
2008-04-18 08:35 < ThePolecat> Sure.
2008-04-18 08:38 < theINC> in this interview between bill oreily and richard dawkins Bill says "Hitler and Stalin were both atheists, and they are some of the worst mass murderers of all time" and Dawkins says "Well, they both had moustaches too, but that's obviously not the cause of their violence."
2008-04-18 08:38 < theINC> How true.
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> People have this romantic thought that you can start shit somewhere and then you can pull out when you don't like it any more.
2008-04-18 08:38 < Bacta> theINC: He outclasses everyone, truly intelligent man
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> Dawkins is kind of vain.
2008-04-18 08:38 < Bacta> how so?
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> I dislike his personality.
2008-04-18 08:38 < theINC> Bacta: I agree. I'm still making my way through The God Delusion, i don't have that much time and reading long passages kind of hurts my head with all his SCIENCE
2008-04-18 08:38 < pengo> dawkins is such a pretentious wanker, i find it annoying that i agree with him.
2008-04-18 08:38 < Bacta> theINC: It's a difficult read.
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> pengo: My thoughts precisely.
2008-04-18 08:38 < theINC> but a very useful one nonetheless.
2008-04-18 08:38 < Bacta> theINC: Absolutely but it really makes one feel stupid compared to him doesn't it :P
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> No.
2008-04-18 08:38 < theINC> You're right.
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> I'm unafraid of intelligent people :-)
2008-04-18 08:38 < arcimboldo_> Actually I liked his book that went backwards in evolution quite alot ...
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> and hard to impressed.
2008-04-18 08:38 < ThePolecat> -ed
2008-04-18 08:38 < theINC> pengo; polecat: I can understand why you'd be annoyed by his personality traits
2008-04-18 08:38 < pengo> the Blind Watchmaker was my introduction to genetics
2008-04-18 08:38 < arcimboldo_> Fortunately he held back his religion-bashing polemics to the last chapter.