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2008-04-17 14:43 < White_Cat> I am an it
2008-04-17 14:43 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: How can you start a fire without opposable thumbs?
2008-04-17 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - everyone is combustable. The only question is at what temperature ;)
2008-04-17 14:44 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I am made out of noble gasses
2008-04-17 14:44 < White_Cat> entirely
2008-04-17 14:44 < White_Cat> so I cannot be oxidised
2008-04-17 14:44 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - even noble gasses combust at the right temperature and pressure
2008-04-17 14:44 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Not items that are intrinsically fireproof, or have a scroll of flame resistance read over them...
2008-04-17 14:44 < White_Cat> yes
2008-04-17 14:44 < White_Cat> but the temprature for me is very high
2008-04-17 14:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Neil Bartlett proved that when he syntheaized uranium hexafloride
2008-04-17 14:44 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, I was just thinking about that earlier today (for the umpteenth time) Humanity really desperately needs a second chance, a backup copy somewhere... We have the svalbard vault for agricultural seeds that could be used to replenish the earth after a temporary crisis (and by crisis I don't mean minor), but that would presuppose somebody being away from earth to begin with... right now, the ISS is closest we have to a backup plan if every
2008-04-17 14:44 < cimon> body on earth suddenly got taekn in a rapture...
2008-04-17 14:44 < White_Cat> you earthlings havent even discovered the element I am made out of
2008-04-17 14:44 * quanticle reads a scroll of flame resistance over White_Cat
2008-04-17 14:45 < White_Cat> cimon the ISS barely stays in orbit
2008-04-17 14:45 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: uh, what?
2008-04-17 14:45 < White_Cat> people panic if the gyros fail
2008-04-17 14:45 < White_Cat> our backup plan does not exist
2008-04-17 14:45 < White_Cat> we all are gonna die!
2008-04-17 14:45 < cimon> White_Cat, I am not saying folks in the ISS could survive for long...
2008-04-17 14:45 < quanticle> White_Cat: True. The ISS is not in a stable orbit. It will fall if not boosted occassionally.
2008-04-17 14:46 < White_Cat> cimon only an additional few months
2008-04-17 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Doh
2008-04-17 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> sorry, xenon hexafloride
2008-04-17 14:46 < cimon> White_Cat, I am just saying it is the closest resembling outside post
2008-04-17 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> not uranium hexafloride
2008-04-17 14:46 * Ceiling_Cat had a brainfart
2008-04-17 14:46 < White_Cat> uranium hexafloride?
2008-04-17 14:46 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: You mean xenon hexaflouride?
2008-04-17 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> uranium hexafloride is really nasty stuff
2008-04-17 14:47 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: You mean xenon hexaflouride?
2008-04-17 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> it's how they make an atom bomb
2008-04-17 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> it eats through anything, even glass and steel
2008-04-17 14:47 < Cyrius> he corrected himself already
2008-04-17 14:47 < White_Cat> uranium hexafloride isnt nasty
2008-04-17 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> yes, it is
2008-04-17 14:47 < cimon> I wonder if we had infinitely smart folks on the ISS and they knew they were shit out of luck getting any help from earth, with the technology they have up there right now, how long would they last...?
2008-04-17 14:47 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat one sniff from it will cure any disease
2008-04-17 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> that's why teflon was a national secret for 15 years
2008-04-17 14:47 < quanticle> White_Cat: Pretty much anything with uranium is nasty...
2008-04-17 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> because itw as the only way to mill uranium to make an atom bomb
2008-04-17 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> (did you know that?)
2008-04-17 14:48 < White_Cat> not really
2008-04-17 14:48 < quanticle> White_Cat: If by cured, you mean dead.
2008-04-17 14:48 < White_Cat> quanticle all symtoms would disappear
2008-04-17 14:48 < White_Cat> it is a sort of cure
2008-04-17 14:48 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, Do you read much Paul Preuss?
2008-04-17 14:48 < White_Cat> with a high price
2008-04-17 14:48 < Cyrius> teflon began being sold in 1946, 8 years after its accidental invention
2008-04-17 14:48 < quanticle> cimon: They wouldn't last very long. It doesn't matter how smart you are - orbital mechnics are what they are.
2008-04-17 14:49 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat, I like to think of objects in my Kitchen to have nothing to do with WMDs
2008-04-17 14:49 < Cyrius> teflon was _not_ a national secret
2008-04-17 14:49 < cimon> quanticle, couldn't you jury-rig soemthing from what is inside the station?
2008-04-17 14:49 * White_Cat hits Cyrius in the head with a teflon pan
2008-04-17 14:49 < CydeWeys> cimon: You would need several hundred delta-vs.
2008-04-17 14:49 < quanticle> Cyrius: It wasn't but the government initially grabbed all available supplies for the atomic bomb project.
2008-04-17 14:50 < Raccoon> riiight
2008-04-17 14:50 < Cyrius> quanticle: there's a difference between buying the total production and it being a secret
2008-04-17 14:50 < White_Cat> quanticle we call it the manhattan project
2008-04-17 14:50 < CydeWeys> cimon: Unless the station happens to have many tons more rocket fuel on it (it doesn't), there really isn't anything the astronauts could do.
2008-04-17 14:50 < quanticle> Cyrius: That is true.
2008-04-17 14:50 < quanticle> White_Cat: That's too much typing.
2008-04-17 14:50 < cimon> CydeWeys, but if you weren't constrained with the idea of staying in close earth orbit, couldn't you just boost out from earth orbit, one-time...1
2008-04-17 14:51 < quanticle> cimon: Where's the propellant?
2008-04-17 14:51 < Cyrius> I see one source that says it was secret
2008-04-17 14:51 < White_Cat> quanticle you can use the gravity to escape
2008-04-17 14:51 < Ceiling_Cat> CydeWeys - why were you klined yesterday?
2008-04-17 14:51 < CydeWeys> cimon: You need large amounts of delta-v to boost into higher orbits. That's what I'm talking about. They only have the propellant for a limited time's station-keeping.
2008-04-17 14:51 < Cyrius> but I don't believe it
2008-04-17 14:51 < CydeWeys> Ceiling_Cat: Running a Tor exit node.
2008-04-17 14:51 < White_Cat> I dont know if that is possible for the ISS
2008-04-17 14:51 < White_Cat> as its orbit is rather close to earth
2008-04-17 14:52 < White_Cat> but where would you run away to?
2008-04-17 14:52 < cimon> CydeWeys, no, I am not talking about higher orbits, going whole hog, leaving orbit entirely...
2008-04-17 14:52 < Ceiling_Cat> CydeWeys - ahhhh
2008-04-17 14:52 < CydeWeys> Actually, gravity is the force preventing you from escaping ...
2008-04-17 14:52 < Ceiling_Cat> that would do it
2008-04-17 14:52 < quanticle> White_Cat: No you can't. Gravity can just change your direction - unless you're already going at escape velocity, you really can't make a gravity assist trajectory work.
2008-04-17 14:52 < White_Cat> and I'd imagine in a planatary disatster people on ISS would return to earth
2008-04-17 14:52 < CydeWeys> cimon: Escape velocity requires more energy than the highest orbit.
2008-04-17 14:52 < CydeWeys> cimon: Escape velocity is essentially a "high" orbit of infinite radius.
2008-04-17 14:52 < CydeWeys> (that's the way the equations work out)
2008-04-17 14:52 < Ceiling_Cat> is it possible to set a TOR node to allow reading but not writing to wikipedia?
2008-04-17 14:52 < Ceiling_Cat> (e.g, using the exit policies)
2008-04-17 14:52 < CydeWeys> Ceiling_Cat: Yes
2008-04-17 14:53 < White_Cat> quanticle if you are at the right orbit you may be able to and I heavly doubt ISS is any near that for obvious reasons
2008-04-17 14:53 < Ceiling_Cat> CydeWeys - I don't suppose that's the default setting?
2008-04-17 14:53 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Anyone can read wikipedia...
2008-04-17 14:53 < Ceiling_Cat> is that too much to hope?
2008-04-17 14:53 < cimon> CydeWeys, isnt't tehre *anything* energetic inside the orbiter (reserved for other purposes than propellant)?
2008-04-17 14:53 < White_Cat> In any planatary disaster Earth is probably safer than the iSS
2008-04-17 14:53 < quanticle> cimon: Not really...
2008-04-17 14:53 < jaymacdonald> We should host Wikipedia on IIS.
2008-04-17 14:53 < White_Cat> cimon the space shuttle cannot fly
2008-04-17 14:53 < White_Cat> it can only fall
2008-04-17 14:53 < Ceiling_Cat> jaymacdonald - that would violate the interstellar dmca
2008-04-17 14:54 < jaymacdonald> lol
2008-04-17 14:54 < kmccoy> cimon, look at the size of the rocket required to send fairly tiny spacecraft to the moon.
2008-04-17 14:54 < White_Cat> Space Shuttle's landings is a controlled crash
2008-04-17 14:54 < quanticle> White_Cat: It can fall (with style).
2008-04-17 14:54 < White_Cat> quanticle so can a brick
2008-04-17 14:54 < quanticle> White_Cat: You don't get the reference?
2008-04-17 14:54 < jaymacdonald> Plus, it would only handle 10users a hour.
2008-04-17 14:54 < White_Cat> quanticle I do :)
2008-04-17 14:54 < cimon> fair enough, I was just thinking, is all
2008-04-17 14:54 < quanticle> White_Cat: Heh. Brick
2008-04-17 14:55 < quanticle> 's can't glide
2008-04-17 14:55 < White_Cat> quanticle sure they can
2008-04-17 14:55 < White_Cat> not for long
2008-04-17 14:55 < White_Cat> kmccoy look at the size of the rockets of sending a fairly tiny spacecraft to orbit
2008-04-17 14:55 < quanticle> White_Cat: Either that, or you just need it to be really windy.
2008-04-17 14:55 < White_Cat> bu that I mean the shuttle
2008-04-17 14:55 < White_Cat> quanticle you mean like jupiter?
2008-04-17 14:55 < quanticle> White_Cat: No, I mean like a tornado.
2008-04-17 14:56 < White_Cat> tornados suck
2008-04-17 14:56 < quanticle> Heh. True.
2008-04-17 14:56 < White_Cat> or blow
2008-04-17 14:56 < White_Cat> depends on your perspective
2008-04-17 14:56 < quanticle> White_Cat: No, tornados suck.
2008-04-17 14:56 < White_Cat> if you are positioned above it it will blow
2008-04-17 14:56 < quanticle> My perspective is grounded.
2008-04-17 14:56 < White_Cat> what if you are flying above it
2008-04-17 14:57 < White_Cat> cimon space technology hasnt quite developed over the past 50 years
2008-04-17 14:57 < White_Cat> we still get to space via a gas thrust of massive quantities
2008-04-17 14:58 < White_Cat> and we do so fairly slowly
2008-04-17 14:58 < quanticle> True enough. We're still using largely the same chemical propellants that were invented in the '40s and '50s.
2008-04-17 14:58 < cimon> White_Cat, kmccoy , quanticle, etc. I think what you have all said, I thimk makes my original idea even more urgent. We really need a permanent space outpost, espescially if the ISS is not it.
2008-04-17 14:58 < quanticle> cimon: What about the moon?
2008-04-17 14:58 < White_Cat> cimon right
2008-04-17 14:58 < cimon> quanticle, what about it?
2008-04-17 14:58 < White_Cat> but the problem is maintaining such a post
2008-04-17 14:58 < kmccoy> cimon, I think that's generally the idea.
2008-04-17 14:58 < White_Cat> how would you provide oxygen, water
2008-04-17 14:59 < White_Cat> and protection
2008-04-17 14:59 < quanticle> cimon: It'd make a nice space station.
2008-04-17 14:59 < kmccoy> quanticle, that's no moon...
2008-04-17 14:59 < White_Cat> quanticle it wouldnt be a space station
2008-04-17 14:59 < cimon> aye
2008-04-17 14:59 < White_Cat> more of a moon base
2008-04-17 14:59 < quanticle> cimon: And you could harvest the water for oxygen...
2008-04-17 14:59 < CydeWeys> cimon: ISS is definitely not a permanent space outpost. It's scheduled to come down in 2020.
2008-04-17 14:59 < White_Cat> quanticle you can recycle both water and oxygen
2008-04-17 14:59 < CydeWeys> Well it could be a space station that had access to asteroids for mining.
2008-04-17 14:59 < CydeWeys> Something in Low Earth Orbit isn't going to do it though.
2008-04-17 14:59 < White_Cat> but long term exposure to radiation is a more significant problem
2008-04-17 14:59 < quanticle> White_Cat: That too.
2008-04-17 15:00 < White_Cat> neither mars nor the moon has a magnetic field
2008-04-17 15:00 < White_Cat> venus does have a magnetic field but building a base on it seems unlikely
2008-04-17 15:00 < Raccoon> um
2008-04-17 15:00 < quanticle> White_Cat: Well you could bury the moon base to protect it.
2008-04-17 15:00 < Raccoon> every body of mass has a magnetic field you dope.
2008-04-17 15:00 < CydeWeys> cimon: And as for finding non-propellants on our spacecraft/space stations that could be used for propellant, sure, you might find a few delta-vs worth.
2008-04-17 15:00 < CydeWeys> Which isn't nearly enough to really go anywhere, though.
2008-04-17 15:00 < White_Cat> quanticle no that wouldnt work
2008-04-17 15:00 < quanticle> White_Cat: Why not?
2008-04-17 15:00 < White_Cat> radiation can penetrate the surface very easily
2008-04-17 15:00 < White_Cat> unless you go very deep
2008-04-17 15:01 < Raccoon> where's this about "mars having no magnetic field"
2008-04-17 15:01 < White_Cat> then it wouldnt be practicle
2008-04-17 15:01 < CydeWeys> Mars has a very weak magnetic field, nothing comparable to Earth's.
2008-04-17 15:01 < Messedrocker> if mars doesn't have a magnetic field, we should make one
2008-04-17 15:01 < White_Cat> Raccoon mars has a very very weak magnetic field
2008-04-17 15:01 < CydeWeys> It wouldn't afford astronauts visiting there any protection from cosmic rays.
2008-04-17 15:01 < Messedrocker> put a gigantic cathode on the north pole and a gigantic anode on the south pole
2008-04-17 15:01 < White_Cat> not enough to protect you
2008-04-17 15:01 < Raccoon> ok.
2008-04-17 15:01 < White_Cat> or not even enough for it to maintain an atmosphere
2008-04-17 15:02 < White_Cat> the loss of her magnetic field is why mars lost its atmospehere over time
2008-04-17 15:02 < quanticle> White_Cat: You don't have to burrow all that far to escape radiation. Also, the moon has these nice pre-built holes - they're called craters...
2008-04-17 15:02 < White_Cat> Messedrocker the power needed is ridiclously high
2008-04-17 15:02 < Leslie_S> http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/251/RipOff0251828.htm
2008-04-17 15:02 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-04-17 15:02 < White_Cat> quanticle during a solar flare you will need that
2008-04-17 15:02 < CydeWeys> cimon: The space shuttle orbiter weighs 100,000 kg. To get 1000 delta-v, which is what you'd actually need to significantly boost the orbit (not even reach escape velocity), that'd be 100,000,000 Newtons.
2008-04-17 15:02 < Raccoon> anyway
2008-04-17 15:03 < quanticle> Messedrocker: You'd get an electric field then, not a magnetic one.
2008-04-17 15:03 < Messedrocker> SEMICOLON SLASH, SEMICOLON SLASH, SLASH SLASH SLASH!
2008-04-17 15:03 < Raccoon> the moon and mars contain far too much gold, silver, platnium, and other precious metals to be of any use to us.
2008-04-17 15:03 < White_Cat> quanticle electric and magnetic fields are very closely related
2008-04-17 15:03 < White_Cat> Raccoon no they dont
2008-04-17 15:03 < White_Cat> venus and mercury does
2008-04-17 15:04 < kmccoy> Leslie_S, looks like the complaints of someone who didn't do their homework.
2008-04-17 15:04 < White_Cat> you cant mine venus due to the ridiclous amount of presure and temprature
2008-04-17 15:04 < White_Cat> and mercury is far too far away
2008-04-17 15:04 < White_Cat> and far too hot/cold
2008-04-17 15:04 < cimon> I don't believe in space as a source of moolah in the short term, but it could be a backup plan for humanity.
2008-04-17 15:04 < White_Cat> not to mention its proximity to the sun
2008-04-17 15:04 < Raccoon> does humanity justify a backup plan?
2008-04-17 15:04 < White_Cat> cimon in a catastrophy we first need a backup home
2008-04-17 15:04 < quanticle> White_Cat: Right, but you'd have to have alternating current to set up a magnetic field...
2008-04-17 15:05 < Raccoon> at the expense of our solarsystem?
2008-04-17 15:05 < White_Cat> quanticle yes
2008-04-17 15:05 < cimon> Raccoon, good point ;)
2008-04-17 15:05 < CydeWeys> cimon: For comparison, a baseball thrown by a major league pitcher will yield 6.5 Newtons.
2008-04-17 15:05 < White_Cat> say there is a blue planet that can support like on alpha centauri
2008-04-17 15:05 < Raccoon> we'
2008-04-17 15:05 < White_Cat> going there seems imposible for us
2008-04-17 15:05 < quanticle> White_Cat: A static anode and cathode wouldn't provide an alternating current.
2008-04-17 15:05 < cimon> CydeWeys, I somehow expect the supply of baseballs on the ISS is fairly low.
2008-04-17 15:05 < Raccoon> we've already upset the spins, tilts and orbital decay of planets and their moons by shooting satelites and probes at and around them.
2008-04-17 15:05 < CydeWeys> cimon: You aren't going to get close to 100 million Newtons from anything but a large fuel supply that was intended to be used as such. That's a huge amount of energy.
2008-04-17 15:05 < White_Cat> quanticle they can be easily made to alternate :)
2008-04-17 15:06 < Raccoon> lets start mining them now!
2008-04-17 15:06 < kmccoy> Raccoon, why not?
2008-04-17 15:06 < White_Cat> if we could travel at the speed of light nearest star is over 4 years away
2008-04-17 15:06 < cimon> CydeWeys, I believe you.
2008-04-17 15:06 < White_Cat> 4 years of supllies is a lot
2008-04-17 15:06 < White_Cat> and the number of people traveling would be quite a lot
2008-04-17 15:07 < CydeWeys> The reason for the baseball analogy is to demonstrate is that if you just took every loose piece of equipment in a shuttle (or a space station) and threw it backwards, it wouldn't add up to nearly enough force to appreciably change your orbit.
2008-04-17 15:07 < White_Cat> unless you can get to the nearest star fast enough, you really dont have much of a backup plan
2008-04-17 15:07 < cimon> CydeWeys, sci-fi stories have this stock plot line about incredible jury-rig stuff to make things work... usually they are a carefully designed plot suspence device, with zero real world likelihood.
2008-04-17 15:07 < quanticle> Aargh! That link that Leslie_S posted has so many spelling errors, it reads more like a 13 year old's forum post than an adult's legitimate complaint.
2008-04-17 15:08 < CydeWeys> cimon: Physics is a harsh mistress :-P
2008-04-17 15:08 < kmccoy> quanticle, the poster clearly jumped into a new career as a truck driver without any research into the reality of it.
2008-04-17 15:09 < quanticle> kmccoy: Yeah that too.
2008-04-17 15:09 < White_Cat> cimon for a backup plan we definately need propellantless engines
2008-04-17 15:10 < White_Cat> an anti-graviton generator for instance would do the trick
2008-04-17 15:10 < quanticle> White_Cat: How would that work? To move yourself forward, you need to push something else backward...
2008-04-17 15:10 < White_Cat> quanticle not really
2008-04-17 15:10 < cimon> White_Cat: well, there is always [[ITN]], once you get up there in the first place...
2008-04-17 15:10 * kmccoy has seen people join tours as a stagehand, thinking that it would be fun -- drinking, traveling, random girls in every city, etc. Then they discover it's a lot of work and occasionally sleeping in difficult circumstances, etc, and that you've gotta be sober for it. Then they quit.
2008-04-17 15:11 < White_Cat> ITN?
2008-04-17 15:11 < cimon> Intestellar Transfer Network
2008-04-17 15:11 < White_Cat> quanticle in quantum physics there is a hypothetical particle called the "Graviton"
2008-04-17 15:11 < White_Cat> its purely hypothetical
2008-04-17 15:12 < White_Cat> assuming it exists and assuming an anti-hypothetical of the particle this would work
2008-04-17 15:13 * Ceiling_Cat stamps 'purely hypothetical' on White_Cat's forehead
2008-04-17 15:13 < White_Cat> quanticle some unknown technology will be needed obviously
2008-04-17 15:13 < White_Cat> a repealong gravity is one such way
2008-04-17 15:14 < White_Cat> eek! millosh is a time traveler
2008-04-17 15:14 < quanticle> White_Cat: True enough. You're also assuming that the particle and its anti-particle are distinct.
2008-04-17 15:14 < Lubaf> It would only be good for repelling you from an object, of course.
2008-04-17 15:14 < White_Cat> quanticle for the sake of argument yes
2008-04-17 15:14 < Lubaf> quanticle: Like the photon is it's own antiparticle?
2008-04-17 15:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - eeeeeeek!
2008-04-17 15:14 < Ceiling_Cat> no!!!
2008-04-17 15:15 * Ceiling_Cat cries at Lubaf's comment
2008-04-17 15:15 < White_Cat> Lubaf right
2008-04-17 15:15 < quanticle> White_Cat: Yes, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. There are particles that annihilate themselves...
2008-04-17 15:15 < Ceiling_Cat> a photon has no charge and no mass
2008-04-17 15:15 < millosh> White_Cat: time traveler? :)
2008-04-17 15:15 < quanticle> Lubaf: Yep.
2008-04-17 15:15 * Lubaf remembers the bit in Genius about loops and whirls.
2008-04-17 15:15 < White_Cat> quanticle I am fully aware
2008-04-17 15:15 < Ceiling_Cat> it's a fermion, not a...
2008-04-17 15:15 < White_Cat> millosh .yu is long gone
2008-04-17 15:15 < millosh> oh, that :)
2008-04-17 15:15 < Ceiling_Cat> erm, it's not a fermion
2008-04-17 15:15 < millosh> it is still the main domain of serbia :)
2008-04-17 15:16 < Ceiling_Cat> lubaf- only fermions can have anti-particles
2008-04-17 15:16 < Ceiling_Cat> a photon is not a fermion; it does not have mass
2008-04-17 15:16 < White_Cat> or something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
2008-04-17 15:16 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: That's as may be, but the photon is, for the purposes of symmetry, it's own antiparticle.
2008-04-17 15:17 < Lubaf> Given that we were discussing whether anti-gravitons exist, such a simplification is understandable.
2008-04-17 15:17 < Lubaf> Random question: Do gravitons have mass?
2008-04-17 15:17 < White_Cat> Lubaf we do not know if they exist
2008-04-17 15:18 < White_Cat> they should be something like a photon
2008-04-17 15:18 < Ceiling_Cat> lubaf - no
2008-04-17 15:18 < White_Cat> they have near-identical equations
2008-04-17 15:18 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat we do not really have a clue
2008-04-17 15:18 < Ceiling_Cat> lubaf - particles that mediate fundemental forces (like photons and gravitons) do not have mass
2008-04-17 15:18 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat you ever tried putting a photon on a scale?
2008-04-17 15:19 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - actually, that would be decieving, because photons do impart momentum
2008-04-17 15:19 < Ceiling_Cat> so the scale would register something when a photon smacks into it
2008-04-17 15:19 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat lol
2008-04-17 15:19 < Veinor> Ceiling_Cat: um, the W and Z bosons have mass.
2008-04-17 15:20 < Lubaf> I just know the photon is, when discussing antiparticles, it's own antiparticle.
2008-04-17 15:20 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#Recent_research
2008-04-17 15:20 < Lubaf> That's all I know on the subject of antiparticles that aren't fermions.
2008-04-17 15:20 < quanticle> If gravitons are similar to photons, then does that imply that gravitons travel at the speed of light?
2008-04-17 15:20 < White_Cat> 1.1×10^−52 kg
2008-04-17 15:20 < White_Cat> :/
2008-04-17 15:21 < White_Cat> quanticle gravity works at the speed of light yes
2008-04-17 15:21 < White_Cat> if someone were to magicaly remove the sun
2008-04-17 15:21 < White_Cat> we would feel it at the speed of light
2008-04-17 15:21 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - gravity works at the speed of light, *we think*
2008-04-17 15:21 < quanticle> The Earth wouldn't be flung out of its orbit instantaneously?
2008-04-17 15:21 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat yes
2008-04-17 15:21 < Ceiling_Cat> it's virtually impossible to measure it
2008-04-17 15:22 < White_Cat> quanticle theoraticaly no
2008-04-17 15:22 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: At least, at current technology levels.
2008-04-17 15:22 < Lubaf> Once we can move planets, maybe.
2008-04-17 15:22 < Lubaf> But not until then.
2008-04-17 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> short of a matter/anti-matter reaction, it's impossible to create a mass disconinuity required to observe the speed of gravity
2008-04-17 15:22 < White_Cat> if gravatons exist, them getting here will continue for a short while
2008-04-17 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (and a large one at that)
2008-04-17 15:22 < White_Cat> a few minutes
2008-04-17 15:23 * Ceiling_Cat collides White_Cat with Black_Cat and produces that reaction
2008-04-17 15:23 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat just drop an anti-sun on the sun :)
2008-04-17 15:23 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat umm
2008-04-17 15:23 < quanticle> White_Cat: Well there is somewhat of a dispute, I think. If you see gravity in a Einsteinean sense, then its effects might propagate faster than light itself, since you're affecting the very space-time environment itself.
2008-04-17 15:23 < White_Cat> Black_cat is evil
2008-04-17 15:23 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - take one for the team
2008-04-17 15:23 < White_Cat> quanticle you cant instantiniously move a star
2008-04-17 15:23 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: You could just synchronize the sudden motion of a planet via a three way relay.
2008-04-17 15:24 < quanticle> White_Cat: True.
2008-04-17 15:24 < White_Cat> not with our technology
2008-04-17 15:24 < Lubaf> But that would require ability to suddenly move a planet.
2008-04-17 15:24 < Ceiling_Cat> off-topic question - any smallville fans in here?
2008-04-17 15:24 < cimon> quanticle, to return back to what we were talking about before, even though the Earth-Sun lagrangian Kordylevski clouds haven't been investigated, the Earth-Moon Lagrangians 4 and 5 were investigated by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiten
2008-04-17 15:24 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: I used to like it, but found it boring after the second season.
2008-04-17 15:24 < White_Cat> Lubaf a planet is far too small
2008-04-17 15:24 < Ceiling_Cat> lubaf - I just started watching the first season
2008-04-17 15:24 < Lubaf> Too much wangst.
2008-04-17 15:24 < JoeyB> Is this the official wiki chat?
2008-04-17 15:24 < Ceiling_Cat> please tell me the whole series isn't about a villian of the week
2008-04-17 15:25 * Ceiling_Cat was expecting something deeper
2008-04-17 15:25 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: The only reason to watch Smallville is Lex.
2008-04-17 15:25 < Lubaf> If you don't care about the Lex arc, than there's no show.
2008-04-17 15:25 < JoeyB> Smallville... erghhhhh
2008-04-17 15:25 < JoeyB> :)
2008-04-17 15:25 < JoeyB> Anyone like Reaper?
2008-04-17 15:25 < JoeyB> Did that show do well in the USA?
2008-04-17 15:25 < Lubaf> And even than, I found it stupid.
2008-04-17 15:26 < quanticle> cimon: Was that intentional, though? I thought the Hiten probe was a sort of failure which was salvaged by sending through the Lagrange points to the moon.
2008-04-17 15:26 < cimon> Lubaf: I liked the plot line where Lois and Kent play strip poker...
2008-04-17 15:26 < Lubaf> cimon: I gave the show up when Lois showed up.
2008-04-17 15:26 < cimon> quanticle, yes, purelyd serendipitous...
2008-04-17 15:26 < cimon> yhmm
2008-04-17 15:26 < Lubaf> It was just too lame at that point.
2008-04-17 15:26 < cimon> I am not talking about smallville, am I...
2008-04-17 15:26 < Lubaf> cimon: Possibly.
2008-04-17 15:26 < White_Cat> quanticle you should realise most of quantum physics isnt based on observation
2008-04-17 15:26 < White_Cat> rather on theories
2008-04-17 15:26 < cimon> I am talking about Superman, sorry, myh mistake
2008-04-17 15:27 < quanticle> White_Cat: True enough.
2008-04-17 15:27 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-04-17 15:27 < White_Cat> and theories based on those theories
2008-04-17 15:27 < JoeyB> :o Big bang theory is on :O
2008-04-17 15:27 < White_Cat> and theories based on those theories based on theories
2008-04-17 15:27 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: A lot of it is villain of the week, but there is an arc in there.
2008-04-17 15:27 < Lubaf> Not a good one, though.
2008-04-17 15:27 < White_Cat> Lubaf you dont like villans?
2008-04-17 15:28 < cimon> Lubaf: my thought though was, when Lois admonished Kent to not cheat by looking through her cards to know what she had in her hand, was, how about telling him not to look through her clothes, while she is at it...
2008-04-17 15:28 < cimon> ...considering they were playing strip poker
2008-04-17 15:28 < sorryitwasme> cimon: gotta love loopholes
2008-04-17 15:28 < Lubaf> White_Cat: I don't like Villain of the Week, which is something slightly different.
2008-04-17 15:29 < White_Cat> Lubaf you like monthly villans?
2008-04-17 15:29 < White_Cat> wikipedia has plenty of those
2008-04-17 15:29 < sorryitwasme> i subscribe to villains on an annual basis
2008-04-17 15:29 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-04-17 15:29 < sorryitwasme> get it renewed at christmas
2008-04-17 15:29 < Lubaf> Who's the Hero of the Day?
2008-04-17 15:30 < Sceptre> Lubaf: "villain of the week" sounds like Doctor Who tbh
2008-04-17 15:30 < CydeWeys> Richard Stallman?
2008-04-17 15:30 < White_Cat> Lubaf me
2008-04-17 15:31 < Sceptre> haideWeys
2008-04-17 15:31 < White_Cat> Lubaf an on wiki qiestion
2008-04-17 15:32 < White_Cat> I am going to replace every instance of {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} with {{GFDL-self-en}}
2008-04-17 15:32 < Lubaf> White_Cat: I'm going AFK, so don't expect a quick answer.
2008-04-17 15:32 < White_Cat> do you think anyone would get in my way?
2008-04-17 15:32 < Lubaf> White_Cat: Ask Ceiling_Cat. I don't know the difference.
2008-04-17 15:32 < White_Cat> Lubaf one is a redirect
2008-04-17 15:32 < White_Cat> to the other
2008-04-17 15:33 < White_Cat> {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} sometimes causes problems when images are moved to commons
2008-04-17 15:33 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat?
2008-04-17 15:33 < White_Cat> I ask you
2008-04-17 15:33 < Lubaf> White_Cat: Then, setting aside those who will complain merely because it's you doing it, I say that you should be okay.
2008-04-17 15:33 < Lubaf> De-redirecting is kosher.
2008-04-17 15:33 < Lubaf> Dedirecting?
2008-04-17 15:33 < White_Cat> alright
2008-04-17 15:34 < White_Cat> engaging bot
2008-04-17 15:39 < CydeWeys> White_Cat: What's the point?
2008-04-17 15:39 < White_Cat> commons compatibility
2008-04-17 15:39 < CydeWeys> {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} and {{GFDL-self-en}} both say the same thing.
2008-04-17 15:39 < White_Cat> no the dont
2008-04-17 15:39 < White_Cat> one is a redirect
2008-04-17 15:39 < CydeWeys> Why not just create {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} as a redirect to {{GFDL-self-en}} on Commons?
2008-04-17 15:40 < White_Cat> CydeWeys right
2008-04-17 15:40 < White_Cat> it exists
2008-04-17 15:40 < White_Cat> but
2008-04-17 15:40 < White_Cat> otherwikis also have that same issue
2008-04-17 15:40 < CydeWeys> When redirects are working, there's no point in making pointless edits to bypass them.
2008-04-17 15:40 < White_Cat> you assume only en.wikipedia exists
2008-04-17 15:40 < White_Cat> there are otherwikis and we do not want such license conflicts on commons
2008-04-17 15:41 < White_Cat> there is only one -en
2008-04-17 15:41 < White_Cat> also you do not want license templates as redirects
2008-04-17 15:41 < jaymacdonald> can somebody tell me why sco.wikipedia.org exists?
2008-04-17 15:41 < jaymacdonald> a) It's not a lanuauge.
2008-04-17 15:41 < jaymacdonald> B) It's kind of offensive for me. (I'm scottish and WE DO NOT speak like that)
2008-04-17 15:41 < CydeWeys> White_Cat: So why not just remove the redirect and point -self-en back to -with-disclaimers?
2008-04-17 15:42 < CydeWeys> That way no moves are necessary.
2008-04-17 15:42 < jaymacdonald> c) Waste of space and bandwidth.
2008-04-17 15:42 < White_Cat> sco Scots language (ISO 639 alpha-3: sco)
2008-04-17 15:42 < CydeWeys> I don't see why "do not want license templates as redirects"
2008-04-17 15:42 < jaymacdonald> It's not a language!
2008-04-17 15:42 < White_Cat> CydeWeys shows how much you payed attention
2008-04-17 15:42 < jaymacdonald> nobody in Scotland speaks like that.
2008-04-17 15:43 < sorryitwasme> so use the english one
2008-04-17 15:43 < White_Cat> the ENTIRE point is that we avoid a possible license conflict
2008-04-17 15:43 < jaymacdonald> I do, I just do not see the need in a Scotish one.
2008-04-17 15:43 < CydeWeys> White_Cat: No, all you've said "sometimes causes problems when images are moved to commons". You've failed to explain what problems there actually are.
2008-04-17 15:43 < jaymacdonald> Maybe Gaelic, an actual scottish language.
2008-04-17 15:43 < sorryitwasme> i don't see the need for a scottish parliament but there it is :(
2008-04-17 15:43 < White_Cat> CydeWeys I explained it
2008-04-17 15:43 < White_Cat> you simply ignored it
2008-04-17 15:43 < jaymacdonald> sorryitwasme: lol, I agree.
2008-04-17 15:44 < White_Cat> if an image is moved from english wikipedia you do not have a problem
2008-04-17 15:44 < White_Cat> if it is moved from some other wikipedia you DO have a problem
2008-04-17 15:44 < CydeWeys> White_Cat: So what's the problem?
2008-04-17 15:44 < CydeWeys> What's the problem there if the template is only on English Wikipedia?
2008-04-17 15:44 < White_Cat> there are many GFDL licenses with many flavors
2008-04-17 15:44 < CydeWeys> Give me an exact example in which there is a problem.
2008-04-17 15:45 < CydeWeys> Do other language wikis have {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} that are different than the one on en-wiki?
2008-04-17 15:45 < White_Cat> some do yes
2008-04-17 15:45 < CydeWeys> Which ones?
2008-04-17 15:45 < sorryitwasme> jaymacdonald: someone must use it, because there's 2,407 "airticles"
2008-04-17 15:45 < White_Cat> I dont particularly have that kind of info in my mind
2008-04-17 15:46 < White_Cat> do you have a point or are you wasting my time?
2008-04-17 15:46 < CydeWeys> My point is it's still an unnecessary task.
2008-04-17 15:46 < White_Cat> [2008-04-17 22:34:04] <Lubaf> White_Cat: Then, setting aside those who will complain merely because it's you doing it, I say that you should be okay.
2008-04-17 15:46 < White_Cat> [2008-04-17 22:34:17] <Lubaf> De-redirecting is kosher.
2008-04-17 15:47 < White_Cat> having univormal license names with commons is more than an adequate reason
2008-04-17 15:47 < White_Cat> *uniformal
2008-04-17 15:47 < CydeWeys> How is it "kosher" if it's an unneeded task?
2008-04-17 15:47 < White_Cat> you are claiming it is unneeded
2008-04-17 15:47 < White_Cat> I have problems with tens of unnecesary license redirect soup on commons
2008-04-17 15:52 < CydeWeys> Fine, just don't forget to update http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GFDL_standardization
2008-04-17 15:52 < The359> wtf
2008-04-17 15:53 < The359> an editor I work with from time to time has been blocked as a sockpuppet
2008-04-17 15:54 < The359> checkuser, what exactly does it gather that proves someone is a sockpuppet?
2008-04-17 15:55 < Sceptre> The359: technical evidence
2008-04-17 15:55 < The359> like what?
2008-04-17 15:55 < sorryitwasme> sewn-on eyes
2008-04-17 15:55 < White_Cat> CydeWeys oh I will :)
2008-04-17 15:55 < Sceptre> IPs
2008-04-17 15:55 < White_Cat> CydeWeys there is another reason too
2008-04-17 15:55 < White_Cat> we want commons to be a multi lingual project
2008-04-17 15:56 < White_Cat> so we try to avoid "english dominance" as much as we can
2008-04-17 16:00 < The359> all I can find in the case against this user is that they were checking one user, and someone suspected another user, but someone said no, they're not related, but they have their own sockpuppets
2008-04-17 16:00 < The359> and that was it
2008-04-17 16:00 < The359> all accused accounts of the second person were blocked without any evidence provided
2008-04-17 16:01 < The359> so I'm confused
2008-04-17 16:07 * KrazyKat yawns
2008-04-17 16:11 * The359 has no clue where to even go to find out why exactly one was blocked
2008-04-17 16:34 < Alkivar> http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=804
2008-04-17 16:34 < Alkivar> lol
2008-04-17 16:35 < Working_Cat> mewww!!
2008-04-17 16:43 < Working_Cat> im hungry
2008-04-17 16:45 < White_Cat> The359 sometimes sockpuppets account act like good users
2008-04-17 16:45 < White_Cat> as sleeper accounts
2008-04-17 16:45 < White_Cat> we had plenty of those in the past
2008-04-17 16:45 < The359> ok, but looking at this Checkuser
2008-04-17 16:45 < The359> there's no evidence provided
2008-04-17 16:45 < White_Cat> evidence may not be necesary sometimes
2008-04-17 16:46 < The359> and on what occassions would that be?
2008-04-17 16:46 < The359> I would think only blatant obvious troll accounts
2008-04-17 16:46 < Leslie_S> White_Cat so its ok to just ban people with no evidence for anything?
2008-04-17 16:46 < The359> I would think that someone who has made numerous contributions without any problems that I've noticed would require some evidence that they are this other person
2008-04-17 16:46 < White_Cat> Leslie_S no
2008-04-17 16:47 < White_Cat> but if the two people have the same IP and other signatures, yes
2008-04-17 16:47 < The359> there is no evidence provided saying these people have the same signatures, White_Cat
2008-04-17 16:47 < White_Cat> evidence may be privately provided
2008-04-17 16:47 < White_Cat> thats also a possibility
2008-04-17 16:47 < miranda> how hard is it to get an editing restriction on someone
2008-04-17 16:47 < White_Cat> The359 you may not be entitled to see that info
2008-04-17 16:47 < The359> why would it be private?
2008-04-17 16:47 < The359> well that's shit
2008-04-17 16:47 < miranda> I think community would be better than arbcom
2008-04-17 16:47 < White_Cat> because we dont want trolls to know how we catch them :)
2008-04-17 16:48 < White_Cat> The359 on your spesific case I have no opinion
2008-04-17 16:48 < White_Cat> I havent even looked into it
2008-04-17 16:48 < White_Cat> I am speaking generally
2008-04-17 16:48 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Boomgaylove
2008-04-17 16:48 < The359> Halfway through there someone brings up User:Knock-Off Nigel
2008-04-17 16:48 < The359> User:Willirennen is listed as a sock
2008-04-17 16:48 < The359> and then all the listed socks are blocked
2008-04-17 16:48 < White_Cat> oh my
2008-04-17 16:48 < The359> no discussion
2008-04-17 16:49 < White_Cat> The359 you believe they are all seperate users?
2008-04-17 16:49 < The359> I don't know, I just want to know what evidence there is that Willirennen is a sock account
2008-04-17 16:49 < White_Cat> IP?
2008-04-17 16:50 < The359> I don't know
2008-04-17 16:50 < The359> I just found this today
2008-04-17 16:50 < White_Cat> The359 a checkuser saying "yes a sock" is the equavalent of same IP and signature
2008-04-17 16:51 < The359> what signature?
2008-04-17 16:51 < White_Cat> that can only happen if the two people are using the same computer and same login
2008-04-17 16:51 < White_Cat> I am not 100% sure how checkusers see signatures
2008-04-17 16:51 < White_Cat> see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brion_VIBBER/Cool_Cat_incident_report
2008-04-17 16:52 < nsh> wtf... http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/03/16/1730221.shtml?tid=266 [ UK Police Want DNA of 'Potential Offenders' ]
2008-04-17 16:52 < Gracenotes> White_Cat: are you talking about IP headers?
2008-04-17 16:53 < White_Cat> 'Cookie' => 'enwikiLoggedOut=20060107201020; enwikiUserName=MARMOT; enwiki_session=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX',
2008-04-17 16:53 < Gracenotes> or HTTP headers, looks like
2008-04-17 16:53 < White_Cat> that stuff
2008-04-17 16:53 < White_Cat> I dont know if checkusers can see it
2008-04-17 16:53 < Gracenotes> oh, cookies. I don't believe CheckUsers have access to that.
2008-04-17 16:53 < White_Cat> or if they use some method I do not know about
2008-04-17 16:53 < White_Cat> I never had checkuser access :)
2008-04-17 16:54 < White_Cat> The359 checkusers are pretty capable of identifying public computers and proxies
2008-04-17 16:54 < White_Cat> Gracenotes I think so too
2008-04-17 16:54 < White_Cat> since cookies are probably not logged
2008-04-17 16:55 < The359> ok
2008-04-17 16:55 < The359> all I know is that it just looked sketchy from this end
2008-04-17 16:55 < White_Cat> The359 thats normal
2008-04-17 16:55 < White_Cat> you dont have access to checkusers interface
2008-04-17 16:55 < The359> all the other cases above appeared to have evidence of similar editing styles
2008-04-17 16:55 < The359> while this one was just simply a list and then a block
2008-04-17 16:55 < White_Cat> it is probably as obvious as bright orange on a green field
2008-04-17 16:56 < White_Cat> it would be unnecesary b'cracy to start a seperate case
2008-04-17 16:56 < The359> but it would be helpful for others
2008-04-17 16:58 < White_Cat> others who?
2008-04-17 16:58 < White_Cat> you could create a seperate case to organise it if you like
2008-04-17 16:58 < The359> others curious as to what happened?
2008-04-17 16:58 < White_Cat> The359 I tend to not question confirmed checkuser cases
2008-04-17 16:59 < The359> you know how the system works though
2008-04-17 16:59 < White_Cat> I dealt with many trolls
2008-04-17 16:59 < White_Cat> who evade banns
2008-04-17 17:00 < White_Cat> getting one such user blocked may take significant effort
2008-04-17 17:00 < White_Cat> since trolls tend to adapt
2008-04-17 17:00 < White_Cat> they are like the borg
2008-04-17 17:00 < The359> Not everyone is an admin
2008-04-17 17:00 < The359> when you go to a user's page and see "This user's been blocked, go here to see the evidence"
2008-04-17 17:00 < The359> and there's no evidence
2008-04-17 17:00 < The359> I think that's a bit fucked up
2008-04-17 17:01 < White_Cat> {{sofixit}} applies
2008-04-17 17:01 < White_Cat> I am not an admin
2008-04-17 17:02 < The359> why should the user have to seek out the explanation by going through that whole process?
2008-04-17 17:02 < White_Cat> The359 what do you mean?
2008-04-17 17:02 < The359> you said I should ask for a checkuser for just this case
2008-04-17 17:07 < Working_Cat> whats the format thingy for inline references?
2008-04-17 17:07 < Working_Cat> as in I just put the link in there and it puts a [1] there and a reference under it
2008-04-17 17:08 < Working_Cat> found it
2008-04-17 17:08 < enok|walker> <ref> </ref> and then <references/> in the appropriate section
2008-04-17 17:08 < Working_Cat> thanks
2008-04-17 17:08 < lazulilasher> <ref> the reference </ref>
2008-04-17 17:08 < Working_Cat> thanks :D
2008-04-17 17:11 < Leslie_S> bleh
2008-04-17 17:11 < Leslie_S> my mom has absolutely ruined our relationship
2008-04-17 17:11 < Leslie_S> why should i give a fuck what she thinks about me changing sex?
2008-04-17 17:11 < Mike_H> because you only get one mother?
2008-04-17 17:12 < Leslie_S> Why does she have any right to rip me off and then tell me what i can and cant do?
2008-04-17 17:12 < Leslie_S> she's not my boss anymore...
2008-04-17 17:12 < Working_Cat> Leslie_S: anyways, you cant expect parents to be really supportive of such a thing. atleast not initially.
2008-04-17 17:13 < Working_Cat> though ofcourse, if she rips her own kid off....
2008-04-17 17:13 < Leslie_S> Working_Cat she could atleast leave me alone about it
2008-04-17 17:13 < Leslie_S> she acted like she wanted to share an apartment with me
2008-04-17 17:13 < Leslie_S> 3 days later, shes gone
2008-04-17 17:13 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: I agree. It took my mother years to even stop considering that I might have the chance to be straight.
2008-04-17 17:13 < Leslie_S> does her damndest to not pay me a penny
2008-04-17 17:13 < Leslie_S> and i think im gonna give up on this truck driving thing
2008-04-17 17:14 < Working_Cat> heh, my mom would go mad if she found out i ate chicken, let alone beef
2008-04-17 17:15 < bumm13> Working_Cat: are you Indian?
2008-04-17 17:15 < Working_Cat> lol its that obvious
2008-04-17 17:15 < bumm13> heh, that unban is laughable
2008-04-17 17:15 < bumm13> I was just asking :P
2008-04-17 17:15 < Working_Cat> yeah i am
2008-04-17 17:15 < bumm13> such a far cry from what American parents worry about ;)
2008-04-17 17:16 < Working_Cat> also, the only problem she has with me marrying a white chick, is that she'd be a terrible cook - not to mention that she'd eat meat
2008-04-17 17:16 < bumm13> ooooo, white chick ;)
2008-04-17 17:17 < Working_Cat> bumm13: well, many indian parents worry about their kids finding a soulmate for themselves.
2008-04-17 17:17 < Working_Cat> bumm13: the slim and fit kinds ofcourse.
2008-04-17 17:21 < Working_Cat> aww i killed the chat with ethnobabble :D
2008-04-17 17:26 < Bernstein229> hi
2008-04-17 17:45 < lucasbfr> wow the ammount of vandalism on wikiquote :x
2008-04-17 17:46 < OverlordQ> Yay, my massive state tax refund came in the mail today.
2008-04-17 17:46 < OverlordQ> Tough decision on where to spend $1
2008-04-17 17:47 < lucasbfr> hahha
2008-04-17 17:47 < lucasbfr> frame the check ;)
2008-04-17 17:47 < Working_Cat> what ya laughing at
2008-04-17 17:49 < Working_Cat> erm i mean, im asking.. in a good way :)
2008-04-17 17:49 * Working_Cat needs some lulz
2008-04-17 17:49 < OverlordQ> Working_Cat: my massive $1 tax refund
2008-04-17 17:50 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-04-17 17:50 < Working_Cat> that beats my record of 4.79 last year
2008-04-17 17:50 < lucasbfr> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anchorman <-- anyone sees grawp vandalism?
2008-04-17 17:51 < Working_Cat> what vandalism?
2008-04-17 17:52 < lucasbfr> when I first loaded it, I was goatsed
2008-04-17 17:52 < lucasbfr> but I can't figure out why
2008-04-17 17:53 < Working_Cat> dude.
2008-04-17 17:54 < Working_Cat> if you post a link with suspected goatses.... TAG THE GODDAMN THING
2008-04-17 17:54 < Working_Cat> there are people at work here.
2008-04-17 17:54 < Working_Cat> "The hotel shop only had two decent books, and I'd written both of them."
2008-04-17 17:59 < NotASpy> lucasbfr: http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rotten-tomatoes&action=history
2008-04-17 17:59 < Working_Cat> great auto-repsonse for a bot everytime someone says "imho": All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.
2008-04-17 18:00 < lucasbfr> ooow thanks NotASpy
2008-04-17 18:00 < Working_Cat> NotASpy: clickable at work?
2008-04-17 18:00 < lucasbfr> Working_Cat: no
2008-04-17 18:00 < Working_Cat> thought so
2008-04-17 18:00 < lucasbfr> it's goatse
2008-04-17 18:02 * CrazyChemGuy shudders at the thought of goatse
2008-04-17 18:03 < CrazyChemGuy> I wonder what the guy in the goatse picture feels like, having that picture all over the web.
2008-04-17 18:03 < MBV2> O_O
2008-04-17 18:03 < Leslie_S> CrazyChemGuy heh
2008-04-17 18:04 < CrazyChemGuy> I mean, you ever think of that? That has to suck
2008-04-17 18:04 < Leslie_S> But uhm
2008-04-17 18:04 < MBV2> well he won't be bothered, you can't see his face
2008-04-17 18:04 < Leslie_S> Any porno you make will get alllll overrr the web FAST
2008-04-17 18:04 < MBV2> O_o
2008-04-17 18:04 < CrazyChemGuy> Still, it must be akward knowing...
2008-04-17 18:04 < Leslie_S> porn takes on its own life
2008-04-17 18:05 < Leslie_S> yes
2008-04-17 18:05 < Leslie_S> No other porno picture has gotten out quite as much as THAT....
2008-04-17 18:05 < MBV2> ew
2008-04-17 18:05 < enok|walker> wut
2008-04-17 18:05 < Working_Cat> CrazyChemGuy: i think he very well knew what he wanted to do with it
2008-04-17 18:05 < CrazyChemGuy> Does it really count as porn? I think porn is supposed to be, you know, erotic.
2008-04-17 18:05 < Working_Cat> i think it was taken with that exact intent
2008-04-17 18:05 < enok|walker> is this some goatse discussion
2008-04-17 18:06 < Leslie_S> lol, during this conversation, i got goatsed
2008-04-17 18:06 < Leslie_S> to be honest, it doesnt really phase me much