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2008-04-17 03:29 < aufbau> I tried to save a new version of Beagle conflict and got the message: ....
2008-04-17 03:29 < aufbau> The following link has triggered our spam protection filter: http://www.lanacion.com
2008-04-17 03:29 < aufbau> Either that exact link, or a portion of it (typically the root domain name) is currently blacklisted.
2008-04-17 03:29 < aufbau> the link lanacion.com was there for a long time ...
2008-04-17 03:30 < Ral315> Probably was just added to the spam filter.
2008-04-17 03:30 < Ral315> You'll need to remove the link in order to save your edit.
2008-04-17 03:30 < aufbau> I would like to change the blacklist
2008-04-17 03:31 < aufbau> la nacion is THE SOURCE for the article
2008-04-17 03:35 < NoPegs> So, we got referenced on the latest southpark episode...
2008-04-17 03:36 < koovz> cool, wikipedia as a whole? can we add it as a trivia entry to every article in that case?
2008-04-17 03:37 < NoPegs> Heh, thats why I'm worried...
2008-04-17 03:37 < NoPegs> It happened before... Wasn't pretty IIRC
2008-04-17 03:41 < The359> it was that it takes more than 40 seconds to search Wikipedia
2008-04-17 03:41 < The359> no biggie
2008-04-17 03:43 < NoPegs> how about the reference to japscat? :)
2008-04-17 03:52 * The359 watches a video from an American who visited North Kora
2008-04-17 03:52 < The359> Korea
2008-04-17 04:12 < AdamBishop> wow
2008-04-17 04:12 < AdamBishop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Heremod
2008-04-17 04:15 < Lady_Aleena> Um, okay.
2008-04-17 04:17 < lnxnt> Ral315: mmm thats pitty. I don't want to manage two different tables but the data for one column is multidimenstional ;)
2008-04-17 04:19 < bumm13> hiya AdamBishop
2008-04-17 04:21 < AdamBishop> hey
2008-04-17 04:28 * Lady_Aleena lurks
2008-04-17 04:28 * The359 throws cats at Lady_Aleena
2008-04-17 04:28 * Lady_Aleena thwops The359 for animal cruelty.
2008-04-17 04:38 * Lady_Aleena returns and lurks.
2008-04-17 04:41 * The359 throws dogs at Lady_Aleena
2008-04-17 04:42 * Lady_Aleena thwops The359 again.
2008-04-17 04:44 < Lady_Aleena> When my cat was just a kitten, some <bleep>s killed her mother and the other kittens in the litter before a friend of ours could stop them. He was barely able to save our cat's life. Animal cruelty is not funny to me.
2008-04-17 04:44 < Lady_Aleena> My cat hadn't even been weaned yet. She was nearly a newborn.
2008-04-17 05:12 < The359> http://goteaminternet.com/img/docs/10374.jpg ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2008-04-17 05:13 < denelson83> The359: Hypnotized yet?
2008-04-17 05:24 < Mike_H> Children as young as six months were removed from the compound.
2008-04-17 05:24 < Mike_H> Okay, what's the error in this sentence.
2008-04-17 05:25 < Ral315> "six months OLD"?
2008-04-17 05:25 < Mike_H> no
2008-04-17 05:25 < Mike_H> it's still telling me that's wrong
2008-04-17 05:25 < Ral315> What, Microsoft Word?
2008-04-17 05:27 < Mike_H> yeah
2008-04-17 05:27 < Ral315> Ignore any automated grammar-checker, particularly MS Word.
2008-04-17 05:27 < Ral315> what's the suggested replacement?
2008-04-17 05:28 < Mike_H> there isn't one
2008-04-17 05:28 < Netsniper> i love that
2008-04-17 05:28 < Ral315> Looks good to me, then.
2008-04-17 05:28 < Netsniper> MS Word: "It's wrong! And I can't tell you why!"
2008-04-17 05:28 < Netsniper> "Just trust me! It's wrong!"
2008-04-17 05:32 < White_Cat> Netsniper no
2008-04-17 05:32 < White_Cat> it doesnt tell you to trust it
2008-04-17 05:32 < White_Cat> its far worse
2008-04-17 05:33 < White_Cat> It says "You know you do not really have to trust me but what if I am right"
2008-04-17 05:33 < White_Cat> and you spend the rest of your life seccond guessing yourself
2008-04-17 05:36 < Netsniper> MS Word is a prime source of discouragement in writing skill
2008-04-17 05:36 < Netsniper> it's a blight on modern man
2008-04-17 05:36 < White_Cat> and woman
2008-04-17 05:36 * Netsniper set himself on fire and runs out the door & down the street
2008-04-17 05:36 < Netsniper> i was using man genericly
2008-04-17 05:37 * White_Cat drops a canister of nitro-glyserine on Netsniper
2008-04-17 05:37 < White_Cat> Netsniper and I was using women non-genericly
2008-04-17 05:38 < Lady_Aleena> Netsniper: To make that sentence gender neutral, "It's a blight on modern writers."
2008-04-17 05:39 < White_Cat> or
2008-04-17 05:39 < White_Cat> It's a blight on modern human writers
2008-04-17 05:39 < Netsniper> this is worse than MS Word
2008-04-17 05:39 < Netsniper> MS Word doesn't tag team me
2008-04-17 05:39 < Netsniper> lolz
2008-04-17 05:39 < White_Cat> It's a blight on modern Netsniper writers
2008-04-17 05:39 < Lady_Aleena> White_Cat: Do we know of non-human writers?
2008-04-17 05:39 < White_Cat> cats
2008-04-17 05:39 < Lady_Aleena> Netsniper: We are trying to help you. :)
2008-04-17 05:40 < Lady_Aleena> White_Cat: Has a feline ever been published?
2008-04-17 05:40 < White_Cat> yes
2008-04-17 05:40 < Lady_Aleena> Really?
2008-04-17 05:40 < White_Cat> publication was via a catapult
2008-04-17 05:40 < Netsniper> haha
2008-04-17 05:40 * Lady_Aleena growls.
2008-04-17 05:40 < White_Cat> we know cats arent very aerodynamic per that incident
2008-04-17 05:41 * White_Cat 's attack fell
2008-04-17 05:41 < Netsniper> not unless they are "sail cats"
2008-04-17 05:41 * White_Cat sand attacks
2008-04-17 05:42 < bumm13> ok.....
2008-04-17 05:43 < Netsniper> i have two black cats and a gray one
2008-04-17 05:43 < Netsniper> my stripey one died :(
2008-04-17 05:44 < bumm13> aww
2008-04-17 05:44 < bumm13> poor kitty
2008-04-17 05:44 < bumm13> =^o.o^=
2008-04-17 05:48 < Lady_Aleena> .oO(Should I throw my hat in the ring to be a WikiProject Films coordinator?)
2008-04-17 05:55 < Lady_Aleena> Oh, and to those who know me a bit (at least know that I used Trillian to IRC), I have switched to mIRC now. Things may go more smoothly for me now.
2008-04-17 05:58 < White_Cat> Lady_Aleena a film director you mean?
2008-04-17 05:58 < White_Cat> A film on wikipedia
2008-04-17 05:58 < White_Cat> hmmm
2008-04-17 05:58 < Gazimoff> I've not used Trillian in a long time
2008-04-17 05:59 < Lady_Aleena> White_Cat: The WikiProject Films has coordinators for how articles look on Wikipedia, category structure, templating, etc. My name came up as a possible candidate for a position.
2008-04-17 06:00 < White_Cat> sounds like an anti-wiki idea
2008-04-17 06:00 < White_Cat> everyone is equal, just some people are more equal
2008-04-17 06:01 * White_Cat feels depressed again
2008-04-17 06:02 * Gazimoff devours a croissant while reading the news
2008-04-17 06:06 < Gazimoff> Now, do I expand the article I've been meaning to work on, or do I play computer games on my day off...
2008-04-17 06:06 < Gazimoff> Decisions, decisions...
2008-04-17 06:08 < LA> How do I ghost again?
2008-04-17 06:08 * LA is glad she set up an alt log in name.
2008-04-17 06:12 < jackjack> yes
2008-04-17 06:13 < LA> Okay, how do I kill my other log in? I can't remember.
2008-04-17 06:15 < Gazimoff> Type /msg nickserv help ghost on parameters used
2008-04-17 06:18 < LA> Its not working, it is saying that ghost is an unknown command.
2008-04-17 06:19 < jpilot> is this a place to get advice?
2008-04-17 06:19 < LA> It is jpilot.
2008-04-17 06:20 < bumm13> /ns ghost foonick password
2008-04-17 06:20 < bumm13> (or /nickserv)
2008-04-17 06:21 < Lady_Aleena> Good, I am back to being myself again.
2008-04-17 06:21 < jpilot> great I think the titile for the southcarolina artcl is too long should i shorten it?
2008-04-17 06:22 < jpilot> thatis the SC secesssion
2008-04-17 06:22 < Lady_Aleena> Which article?
2008-04-17 06:22 < jpilot> its currentsly Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union
2008-04-17 06:23 < Lady_Aleena> jpilot: It looks like the article is about the document of the same name, which would justify the length of the article title.
2008-04-17 06:24 < jpilot> ok thx lady
2008-04-17 06:25 < Lady_Aleena> You're welcome jpilot.
2008-04-17 07:08 < Bacta> Hi I screwed up an edit here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_National_Party
2008-04-17 07:08 < Bacta> can someone roll it back?
2008-04-17 07:09 < Chris_G> done
2008-04-17 07:09 < Chris_G> but you can use undo
2008-04-17 07:09 < Bacta> cheers
2008-04-17 07:09 < Bacta> yeah I just found it
2008-04-17 07:09 < Bacta> so one of us must've done it :P
2008-04-17 07:13 < Bacta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TradeMe would my latest edit regarding the NZ national party be flagged for bias?
2008-04-17 07:14 < Bacta> it's really hard to cite it as while it's a regular topic of discussion there the messageboards don't have static links
2008-04-17 07:17 < Lycurgus> "antioxidants increase mortality"
2008-04-17 07:18 < Lycurgus> according to the feuilletonistic press, ABC iirc
2008-04-17 07:18 < Lycurgus> took about 10 minutes of stfw to find the distortion and stupidity underlying the original research
2008-04-17 07:19 < Lycurgus> in the meta-analysis that was performed, as a methodological step, they threw out all the people who were healthy at the end of the study!
2008-04-17 07:21 < Lycurgus> ( http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4668203&page=2 )
2008-04-17 07:21 < Lycurgus> fucking idiots
2008-04-17 07:27 < gwern> 'The drug maker Merck drafted dozens of research studies for a best-selling drug, then lined up prestigious doctors to put their names on the reports before publication, according to an article to be published Wednesday in a leading medical journal.
2008-04-17 07:27 < gwern> The article, based on documents unearthed in lawsuits over the pain drug Vioxx, provides a rare, detailed look in the industry practice of ghostwriting medical research studies that are then published in academic journals.'
2008-04-17 07:27 < gwern> now that's corrupt
2008-04-17 07:40 < bumm13> hiya PoleWeasel
2008-04-17 07:40 < ThePolecat> hey
2008-04-17 07:43 < bumm13> hmm, I hadn't heard that D&D creator Gary Gygax died last month
2008-04-17 07:47 < ThePolecat> I hate it when Wikis are set to the one-click-opens-the-edit-window mode
2008-04-17 07:47 * ThePolecat has never played that
2008-04-17 07:48 < bumm13> me neither
2008-04-17 08:28 < ThePolecat> "Also, the temperature in winter and summer is always fudged by the local govt. So when the news says its a balmy 38 degrees centigrade (100 degrees farenheit) rest assured it's more than likely 46 degrees (115 degrees farenheit) - because all city workers get to go home if the temperature boils over 40. So it never does. Likewise in winter."
2008-04-17 08:29 < ThePolecat> Bless you, China, and your great socialist revolution.
2008-04-17 08:29 < Leslie_S> LOL
2008-04-17 08:39 < Raccoon> Under which forum or namespace would one start a discussion of significance to style and convention of Wikipedia Project, in general, not specific to any given article.
2008-04-17 08:54 < Chris_G> hi Qst
2008-04-17 08:54 < Qst> Hello.
2008-04-17 08:55 * Werdna sends Haley away
2008-04-17 08:55 < Haley|away> ;-)
2008-04-17 09:20 < Leslie_S> http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/087/RipOff0087654.htm
2008-04-17 09:20 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-04-17 09:21 < nadis> i'm glad to be here again
2008-04-17 09:22 < nadis> it was overflow just now
2008-04-17 09:22 < nadis> *just a moment ago
2008-04-17 09:22 < nadis> hello, toresbe, are you here
2008-04-17 09:25 < nadis> hello, guys
2008-04-17 09:26 < nadis> toresbe still included
2008-04-17 09:30 < nadis> i'm so sad...
2008-04-17 09:31 < nadis> why am i so unwelcome
2008-04-17 09:31 < nadis> i know you guys are really busy
2008-04-17 09:31 < nadis> oh, should i feel i am hurt
2008-04-17 09:31 < drjackzon> Hello, nadis.
2008-04-17 09:32 < nadis> i'm totally moved, hello drjackzon
2008-04-17 09:32 * bumm13 raises an eyebrow
2008-04-17 09:32 < drjackzon> You shouldn't.
2008-04-17 09:32 < nadis> thanks for talking to me
2008-04-17 09:33 < nadis> i'm so eager to practice my english
2008-04-17 09:33 < nadis> that's why i am here
2008-04-17 09:33 < drjackzon> Where are you from?
2008-04-17 09:33 < nadis> to be honest, China
2008-04-17 09:33 < drjackzon> And, not to be honest?
2008-04-17 09:34 < toresbe> nadis: yes, i'm here.
2008-04-17 09:34 < nadis> China
2008-04-17 09:34 < drjackzon> Hm, oh. You were being polite.
2008-04-17 09:34 < toresbe> nadis: for now, anyway. :)
2008-04-17 09:34 < nadis> i'm so glad to see you, toresbe
2008-04-17 09:34 < toresbe> Nice to see you, too. :)
2008-04-17 09:34 < drjackzon> That's so unusual around here...
2008-04-17 09:35 < nadis> what is unusual ? drjackzon
2008-04-17 09:35 < nadis> being polite ?
2008-04-17 09:35 < toresbe> yeah :)
2008-04-17 09:35 < drjackzon> Yes.
2008-04-17 09:35 < toresbe> nadis: The channel isn't always active, so there might not be people in at the moment.
2008-04-17 09:35 < nadis> thanks, i see
2008-04-17 09:36 < drjackzon> It might be evening in China at this moment, ain't it?
2008-04-17 09:36 < nadis> yeah
2008-04-17 09:36 < nadis> i went to school at the daytime, so
2008-04-17 09:38 * toresbe just came back from school.. relaxing a bit at home before going on to work
2008-04-17 09:39 < nadis> you have a job?
2008-04-17 09:39 < nadis> i'm a pure student for now lol
2008-04-17 09:42 < cimon> Can I get an opinoin on a redirect?
2008-04-17 09:43 < cimon> anyone else think [[moonbase]] redirecting to [[Colonisation of the moon]] is wrong?
2008-04-17 09:44 < cimon> I am thinking of antarctic bases like tsiolkovski and McMurdo. do they really entail colonisation of the Antarctic?
2008-04-17 09:47 < Cyrius> cimon: it's a common association
2008-04-17 09:47 < Cyrius> although there's really a bit of difference
2008-04-17 10:14 < Raccoon> Under which forum or namespace would one start a discussion of significance to style and convention of Wikipedia Project, in general, not specific to any given article.
2008-04-17 10:17 < arcimboldo_> Some subpage of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump I'd guess
2008-04-17 10:18 < Cream> Hello!
2008-04-17 10:19 < Cream> White people: eh eh ehhy eh. Black people: do doo doo doo.
2008-04-17 10:20 < Cream> fine
2008-04-17 10:20 * Kreme mumbles angrily like a grumpy old man
2008-04-17 10:21 * Kreme takes the sponge and rubs his head with it
2008-04-17 10:54 < quanticle> Man its quiet in here.
2008-04-17 10:54 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-04-17 10:54 < bumm13> howdy quanticle
2008-04-17 10:54 < quanticle> Hello bumm13
2008-04-17 10:54 < bumm13> yeah, this is often the quiet time of day here
2008-04-17 10:54 < Mark_Ryan> howdy
2008-04-17 10:55 < bumm13> North America is at work, Europe hasn't necessarily gotten home yet, and it's getting later in Asia/Australia :)
2008-04-17 10:56 < Mark_Ryan> it's almost 11pm here
2008-04-17 10:56 * Mark_Ryan is tired
2008-04-17 10:56 < Mark_Ryan> i had an exam today, then tonight i went to a comedy show
2008-04-17 10:56 < bumm13> cool
2008-04-17 10:57 < Mike_H> God, I'm nervous!
2008-04-17 10:57 < Mike_H> I just sent off my demo tape
2008-04-17 10:57 < bumm13> how come?
2008-04-17 10:57 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-17 10:57 < bumm13> hope it turns out good
2008-04-17 10:57 < Mike_H> He comes in about 30 minutes from now
2008-04-17 10:57 < Mike_H> so I have to call him back to make sure he got it
2008-04-17 10:59 < Mike_H> Mark_Ryan: :/
2008-04-17 10:59 < Mike_H> I did my first demo
2008-04-17 10:59 < Mike_H> and I'm scared!
2008-04-17 11:01 < bumm13> you'll do fine
2008-04-17 11:45 < ThePolecat> ay, marry.
2008-04-17 11:46 < ThePolecat> *Solomon Burke - Call My Name
2008-04-17 11:48 < ThePolecat> again, there's an exciting-as-fk cover version by Them
2008-04-17 11:51 < enok|walker> hay
2008-04-17 12:00 < Working_Cat> woof!
2008-04-17 12:04 < Sceptre> http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/4-17-08/joker1.jpg
2008-04-17 12:07 < yao_ziyuan> i always want to show off my desktop: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/%E6%BB%A1%E5%9C%B0%E7%BA%A2.png?gda=jcg_hlAAAACHWpUiYTwLawza5SKvOato7RbTUsF1ZDNVwyOfdeJMKGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDR7_Fjeke83a4QZCnRfQPyQoIz2glZWHiQ1B5n2ykWZLA
2008-04-17 12:07 < Aqwis> ew, kde
2008-04-17 12:08 < bumm13> zomg flood!
2008-04-17 12:13 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Is that a fractal?
2008-04-17 12:13 < yao_ziyuan> yes
2008-04-17 12:14 < quanticle> Mandelbrot set?
2008-04-17 12:14 < yao_ziyuan> an 1280x1024 waterprint-free version of that wallpaper: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/Tend%20To%20Zero%20%28Hot%29.png?gda=CcT7cksAAACHWpUiYTwLawza5SKvOatoUmGt1tyT8Hw2YbQX9AQzkGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDShwG7bAQVBbx8lBY36ldYkIQr754moC45ImsP0ezzZZA
2008-04-17 12:14 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: supposed to be
2008-04-17 12:14 < yao_ziyuan> *watermark
2008-04-17 12:23 < bumm13> zomg flood!
2008-04-17 12:23 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-04-17 12:24 < bumm13> try a link shortening service :-p
2008-04-17 12:24 < quanticle> me throws water on bumm13
2008-04-17 12:24 < quanticle> er,
2008-04-17 12:24 * quanticle throws water on bumm13
2008-04-17 12:28 < bumm13> *splash*
2008-04-17 12:31 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-04-17 12:33 < uberpenguin> hurgh... why do craigslist tards believe that swapping some M3 body panels onto your 328i increases its value by 40% ?
2008-04-17 12:34 < uberpenguin> or that you can ask NADA retail value in a private transaction...
2008-04-17 12:34 * bumm13 has never used craigslist
2008-04-17 12:34 < bumm13> hiya uberpenguin
2008-04-17 12:37 < quanticle> uberpenguin: That's because they're expecting to deal with gullible losers...
2008-04-17 12:38 < uberpenguin> hey bumm13
2008-04-17 12:38 < bumm13> I just got done adding the {{tone}} template to [[Linux on zSeries]]
2008-04-17 12:38 < uberpenguin> well, there are a lot of gullible losers out there...
2008-04-17 12:39 < uberpenguin> but still, most people seem to generally respect blue book guidelines
2008-04-17 12:39 < uberpenguin> but nooo... add a couple of body panels, +$2k
2008-04-17 12:41 < quanticle> Heh. Perhaps they're thinking that the body panels will enable you to pass it off to another gullible loser.
2008-04-17 12:43 < uberpenguin> thing is, from what I can tell they have a hard time getting their price, yet they're usually too stubborn to deal
2008-04-17 12:44 < uberpenguin> I think it's the hard realization that putting $5k into a non-classic car yields nearly $0 in value increase
2008-04-17 13:18 < quanticle> uberpengiun: Heh. Reminds me a little of people putting money into their house.
2008-04-17 13:21 < Mike2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Farrahi
2008-04-17 13:23 < Raccoon> CHARRRRRRRRRR LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeee. . . http://www.filmcow.com/charlietheunicorn2.html
2008-04-17 13:25 < jaymacdonald> anybody here?
2008-04-17 13:25 < tawker> jaymacdonald: depends on what's the #topic
2008-04-17 13:26 < jaymacdonald> lol
2008-04-17 13:26 < jaymacdonald> The topic is, there is an editor who will not stop removing content from a page
2008-04-17 13:26 < tawker> jaymacdonald: what page
2008-04-17 13:26 < jaymacdonald> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EyeOS
2008-04-17 13:26 < jaymacdonald> I'm 84.13.214.118 btw.
2008-04-17 13:27 < tawker> k
2008-04-17 13:30 < Alkivar> lets see who's awake right now
2008-04-17 13:30 < Alkivar> whats wrong with this image:
2008-04-17 13:30 < Alkivar> http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1671/hpstupidhe2.png
2008-04-17 13:30 < jaymacdonald> LOL
2008-04-17 13:30 < jaymacdonald> at that image
2008-04-17 13:30 < tawker> Alkivar: same price
2008-04-17 13:31 < tawker> Alkivar: to get BT + wifi
2008-04-17 13:31 < jaymacdonald> I wonder what happens when you click 'Help me decide'.
2008-04-17 13:31 < Alkivar> tawker: free upgrade = 25$
2008-04-17 13:31 < tawker> well, 2 things wrong
2008-04-17 13:31 < Sceptre> hai alkivar
2008-04-17 13:31 < tawker> the BT is the same price as upgrade 1
2008-04-17 13:31 < tawker> jaymacdonald: ok, it's on a semi protect atm
2008-04-17 13:32 < tawker> I suspect we have some COI problems there
2008-04-17 13:32 < kenlyric> the free should be attached to bluetooth
2008-04-17 13:32 < kenlyric> since you're paying $25 still for the wireless card upgrade
2008-04-17 13:32 < Alkivar> the best part... is this is the HP Employee sales page
2008-04-17 13:32 < Alkivar> its correct on the public sales page
2008-04-17 13:32 < eddejonge> free as in speech, not free as in beer...
2008-04-17 13:33 < tawker> Alkivar: you're an HP Employee?
2008-04-17 13:33 < Alkivar> sort of
2008-04-17 13:33 < Alkivar> former employee
2008-04-17 13:34 < Alkivar> although i still count as employed
2008-04-17 13:34 < Alkivar> because i asked them to leave me in the system as a backup in case someone calls out sick or whatever
2008-04-17 13:35 < tawker> heh, do you have the uber secret phone numbers for people at HP who will ship warranty parts without making you go thru the bloody repeat of std troubleshooting procedures
2008-04-17 13:35 < Alkivar> no even warranty shops have to deal with that bullshit
2008-04-17 13:35 < tawker> thats just wrong
2008-04-17 13:35 < Alkivar> i work for an warranty repair center now and we do HP/Apple/IBM/Lenovo/Sony/Toshiba/Fujitsu repairs
2008-04-17 13:35 < tawker> a qualified tech is going to know more than a script monkey on the phone
2008-04-17 13:36 < Alkivar> and we get the same shittastic phone treatment the avg joe does
2008-04-17 13:36 < tawker> that sucks
2008-04-17 13:36 < jaymacdonald> the only HP thing I have is a HP printer
2008-04-17 13:36 < tawker> i've got an HP w/ a defective motherboard
2008-04-17 13:36 < tawker> they repaired it once
2008-04-17 13:36 < jaymacdonald> HP sucks at computers
2008-04-17 13:36 < tawker> and now it's shorting out
2008-04-17 13:36 < tawker> all OEM's suck
2008-04-17 13:36 < Alkivar> tawker what model?
2008-04-17 13:36 < tawker> dv6000
2008-04-17 13:36 < Alkivar> ahh yeah, there was a batch of those that went out defective
2008-04-17 13:36 < Alkivar> there was a "hush hush recall"
2008-04-17 13:37 < tawker> i know
2008-04-17 13:37 < cimon> HP isn't all that bad... one could whine about not making their drivers GPL, if one were RMS, but that is just about it...
2008-04-17 13:37 < tawker> i've sent back 5 laptops for them
2008-04-17 13:37 < Alkivar> aka get them out of the stores but dont tell customers!
2008-04-17 13:37 < cimon> HP is farily good stuff in reliable hardware.
2008-04-17 13:37 < Alkivar> hp consumer grade stuff is shit
2008-04-17 13:37 < Alkivar> their business products are much much better
2008-04-17 13:37 < tawker> yeah
2008-04-17 13:38 < tawker> I've finally convinced my boss to start buying business grade stuff
2008-04-17 13:38 < cimon> Alkivar: HP isn't in the same ball-parsk as Canon or Brother in terms of selling cheap easy to break stuff.
2008-04-17 13:38 < tawker> it's not too bad
2008-04-17 13:38 < cimon> Though of course, HP used to be better than it is now.
2008-04-17 13:39 < quanticle> The issue with HP is their laptops. HP laptops are a little bit cheaper, and *lot* less durable.
2008-04-17 13:39 < jaymacdonald> The only thing good HP have done is HPLIP.
2008-04-17 13:39 < cimon> thinking particularly about HP's classic pocket calculators...
2008-04-17 13:39 < quanticle> cimon: You like RPN?
2008-04-17 13:39 < cimon> yuppers
2008-04-17 13:40 < cimon> quanticle, but then I am a FORTH nerd...
2008-04-17 13:40 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-04-17 13:40 < tawker> heh
2008-04-17 13:40 < tawker> honestly, for the enterprise market
2008-04-17 13:40 < tawker> who makes the least crappy notebooks
2008-04-17 13:40 < Alkivar> the HP universal printer driver is a nice thing too
2008-04-17 13:40 < quanticle> Lenovo
2008-04-17 13:40 < Alkivar> that makes it really easy to batch setup installs
2008-04-17 13:40 < quanticle> Get Lenovo if you can afford it
2008-04-17 13:41 < Alkivar> lenovo isnt all its cracked up to be either
2008-04-17 13:41 < Alkivar> their ideapad series are junk
2008-04-17 13:41 < tawker> build quality is slightly better than HP's
2008-04-17 13:41 < quanticle> Alkivar: Lenovos are a lot better than anything else, though.
2008-04-17 13:41 < Alkivar> no i'll give you that
2008-04-17 13:41 < Alkivar> scarily the best build quality machines i see ... are fujitsus
2008-04-17 13:41 < quanticle> Alkivar: Yeah. The Ideapads kinda suck, but the Thinkpad line is nice.
2008-04-17 13:42 < Alkivar> fujitsu makes some of the cleanest, easiest to repair machines out there
2008-04-17 13:42 < quanticle> Alkivar: Or Panasonic - their Toughbooks are quite literally bulletproof.
2008-04-17 13:42 < tawker> hmm, good point
2008-04-17 13:42 < Alkivar> lcd is dead? 6 screws and unhook a cable you can replace the screen
2008-04-17 13:42 < tawker> the question is, is the price premium worth it
2008-04-17 13:42 < Alkivar> no its not
2008-04-17 13:42 < Alkivar> the toughbooks are a mess to work on
2008-04-17 13:42 < tawker> for me... even upgrading to HP's business line is a huge upgrade
2008-04-17 13:43 < tawker> the consumer laptops are crap, plain and simple
2008-04-17 13:43 < quanticle> Alkivar: true, but you have to admit - having a bulletproof armored waterproof case is pretty awesome.
2008-04-17 13:43 < Alkivar> tawker: be aware, fingerprint scanners are typically broken if you buy HP Business line refurbs
2008-04-17 13:43 < tawker> i'm buying new
2008-04-17 13:43 < tawker> get em at basically wholesale
2008-04-17 13:44 < Alkivar> i'd say 85% of the time i get an hp refurb the fingerprint scanner is borked
2008-04-17 13:44 < Alkivar> and because of it you'll get random reboots/system lockups (but if you go into device manager and disable the scanner machine will work fine)
2008-04-17 13:44 < quanticle> tawker: Yeah, HP's consumer line sucks - plain and simple. I have not seen a single person (including myself) with a good experience after getting a HP consumer grade notebook.
2008-04-17 13:45 < Alkivar> my mom's had good luck with hers
2008-04-17 13:45 < tawker> heh, I bought one, it was only out for repairs twice
2008-04-17 13:45 < Alkivar> then again it was a custom order
2008-04-17 13:45 < tawker> and it only took 8 hours on the phone to get them to accept it
2008-04-17 13:45 < quanticle> Alkivar: Does your mom actually, y'know, carry hers outside the house?
2008-04-17 13:45 < tawker> rule #1 - never buy consumer grade crap
2008-04-17 13:45 < Alkivar> yes actually
2008-04-17 13:45 < Alkivar> she's on the road with it for work every single day
2008-04-17 13:45 < Aqwis> hurr
2008-04-17 13:45 < Aqwis> i like my HP Compaq laptop
2008-04-17 13:46 < Aqwis> which is i guess consumer grade
2008-04-17 13:46 < Alkivar> the HP Compaq line is the business models
2008-04-17 13:46 < Aqwis> oh.
2008-04-17 13:46 < tawker> Aqwis: Compaq is the business stuff
2008-04-17 13:46 < Aqwis> it was cheap, so i assumed it was consumer
2008-04-17 13:46 < Alkivar> the "Compaq" laptops are consumer grade
2008-04-17 13:46 < tawker> you know, it's little things, like being able to store asset tracking info in the BIOS
2008-04-17 13:46 < Alkivar> if theres no hp branding whatsoever and its a compaq its a consumer model
2008-04-17 13:46 < tawker> which makes my life a lot easier
2008-04-17 13:46 < quanticle> Alkivar: I guess we college students just put our notebooks through a little bit more stress than the average user.
2008-04-17 13:47 < Aqwis> yes, there's almost only HP branding on it but the model name is "HP Compaq"
2008-04-17 13:47 < Aqwis> something something.
2008-04-17 13:47 < Alkivar> Aqwis: then its a business model
2008-04-17 13:47 < Aqwis> ok.
2008-04-17 13:47 < tawker> it's probly got a TPM etc
2008-04-17 13:47 < quanticle> Aqwis: Yeah, that's because HP bought Compaq a few years ago.
2008-04-17 13:47 < Alkivar> model number is something like nc/nw/nx6000,8000
2008-04-17 13:47 < Aqwis> why do they continue calling them "Compaq"? never was a terribly good brand name in my ears
2008-04-17 13:48 < Alkivar> the consumer stuff is all dv/dx/dt
2008-04-17 13:48 < quanticle> Aqwis: I dunno. IIRC Compaq had an even worse reputation with regard to quality than HP.
2008-04-17 13:48 < Alkivar> not in business machines
2008-04-17 13:49 < Alkivar> compaq had a very reputable name in servers
2008-04-17 13:49 < Lycurgus> HP had a great reputation. Compaq did not especially.
2008-04-17 13:49 < Alkivar> but the low end consumer grade gear from compaq had a bad rep
2008-04-17 13:49 < tawker> yeah
2008-04-17 13:49 < Alkivar> just like Packard Bell had a shitty rep here in the US... but has a great rep in Europe
2008-04-17 13:49 < tawker> Compaq's high end stuff was nice
2008-04-17 13:50 < tawker> it really varies... basically it depends if you've had a bad experience w/ them before
2008-04-17 13:50 < Gazimoff|AFK> Packard Bell has a great rep in Europe? Where?
2008-04-17 13:51 < quanticle> Heh. I used to own a Packard Bell desktop. It served me for many years.
2008-04-17 13:51 < tawker> ok, this is another /dev/random question
2008-04-17 13:51 < Gazimoff> I used to work in Dixons/Currys/PC World. They gave me grief for many years
2008-04-17 13:51 < tawker> at what point does a network need a domain controller
2008-04-17 13:52 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kordylewski_clouds
2008-04-17 13:52 < jaymacdonald> I never knew HP arguements could go on for so long lol.
2008-04-17 13:52 < tawker> heh, this is #wikipedia
2008-04-17 13:52 < quanticle> Gazimoff: Packard Bells?
2008-04-17 13:52 < tawker> it's the usual discussion
2008-04-17 13:52 < cimon> that is quite amazing. Something this important, in the earths very own backyard, and nobody has thought of going there to have a look...!
2008-04-17 13:53 < quanticle> cimon: Its not like its that unusual. Its rather a bit like the Sargasso sea of near-Earth space.
2008-04-17 13:53 < Gazimoff> quanticle: Uep, Packard Bells.
2008-04-17 13:54 < cimon> quanticle: yes, but at least the wikipedia article states they aren't even sure if it exists or not, certainly not any mention of what kind of dust it is composed of...
2008-04-17 13:54 < quanticle> Ah. I haven't had a bad experience with Packard Bells, but, then again, I didn't do all that much with it.
2008-04-17 13:55 < Tatsh> what is the standard for zh.wikipedia.org ?
2008-04-17 13:55 < quanticle> cimon: I guess its one of those things that's not sexy enough to get research grant funding.
2008-04-17 13:55 < Tatsh> simplified or traditional?
2008-04-17 13:56 < Tatsh> it seems all mixed up, much the same way english wikipedia is all mixed with en-GB and en-US spellings
2008-04-17 13:56 < Psychonaut> Spricht hier jemand deutsch?
2008-04-17 13:57 < Tatsh> i stopped at jemand
2008-04-17 13:57 < jaymacdonald> btw
2008-04-17 13:57 < Tatsh> ;p
2008-04-17 13:57 < jaymacdonald> Can somebody please tell me the point of http://sco.wikipedia.org
2008-04-17 13:57 < jaymacdonald> Is it a joke or something?
2008-04-17 13:57 < quanticle> Psychonaut: No, I don't think anyone here knows German.
2008-04-17 13:57 < amidanie1> Psychonaut: ja ... und es gibt bestimmt viele in #wikipedia-de ;)
2008-04-17 13:58 < Psychonaut> Schade.
2008-04-17 13:58 < Tatsh> oh
2008-04-17 13:58 < quanticle> Or... I guess I was wrong.
2008-04-17 13:58 < Tatsh> yeah that means does anyone speak german
2008-04-17 13:58 < jaymacdonald> The "sco" version isn't even a lanuauge!
2008-04-17 13:58 < Tatsh> but anyway, does anyone know the answer to my question?
2008-04-17 13:58 * amidanie1 slaps quanticle around with a trout
2008-04-17 13:58 * quanticle ducks
2008-04-17 13:59 < tawker> hmm, I got Time Magazine to renew me at the new subscriber rate
2008-04-17 13:59 < tawker> it saved me about 20 bucks a year
2008-04-17 14:00 < Alkivar> its not hard
2008-04-17 14:00 < Alkivar> time is pretty good like that
2008-04-17 14:00 < quanticle> tawker: Nice.
2008-04-17 14:00 < Alkivar> threaten to cancel and they'll offer you the new subscriber rate
2008-04-17 14:00 < quanticle> Alkivar: Yeah. Time is pretty nice at allowing you to negotiate with them.
2008-04-17 14:00 < Alkivar> its cheaper for them to keep you as a customer than to attract a new one
2008-04-17 14:00 < Psychonaut> jaymacdonald: Yes it is.
2008-04-17 14:01 < cimon> quanticle: well, gosh darn it, *I* find it sexy enough to investigate...
2008-04-17 14:02 < tawker> yeah
2008-04-17 14:02 < tawker> 1 email
2008-04-17 14:02 < cimon> if there is a concentrated cloud of dust relatively near the earth in it's orbital path, what's not sexy about that?
2008-04-17 14:02 < Psychonaut> jaymacdonald: Obviously you've never read any Robbie Burns...
2008-04-17 14:02 < tawker> I was quite impressed
2008-04-17 14:03 < tawker> the funny thing was, the renewal notices they were sending me... were cheaper than the online renwal rate
2008-04-17 14:03 < tawker> but still way more than the new sub price
2008-04-17 14:03 < Alkivar> heh i love that
2008-04-17 14:03 < Alkivar> lets have 4 different rates for the same thing nonsense
2008-04-17 14:03 < tawker> well, different billing systems I guess
2008-04-17 14:04 < jaymacdonald> tawker: teddybearnow keeps reverting
2008-04-17 14:04 < jaymacdonald> that eyeOS page
2008-04-17 14:04 < tawker> jaymacdonald: ok, ok
2008-04-17 14:04 < jaymacdonald> and providing stuff in the talk page which is, clearly incorrect.
2008-04-17 14:04 < jaymacdonald> and proving that he has a COI.
2008-04-17 14:05 < quanticle> cimon: Heh. Its not sexy because its not an asteroid, and therefore doesn't threaten human existence...
2008-04-17 14:05 < tawker> ok, someone else hit protect
2008-04-17 14:05 < tawker> I don't want to be seen as taking sides
2008-04-17 14:05 < quanticle> tawker: Isn't price discrimination grand?
2008-04-17 14:05 < OverlordQ> jaymacdonald: and you dont?
2008-04-17 14:05 < tawker> heh
2008-04-17 14:06 < tawker> well, I can see how it happens
2008-04-17 14:06 < tawker> but it's as annoying as hell
2008-04-17 14:06 < cimon> quanticle, btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dione_and_Saturn.jpg - very cool image
2008-04-17 14:06 < quanticle> Heh. True enough.
2008-04-17 14:06 < jaymacdonald> OverloadQ: I do. But I'm not removing stuff which is clearly referenced.
2008-04-17 14:07 < quanticle> cimon: Wow. That's an awesome pic.
2008-04-17 14:07 < OverlordQ> cimon: it looks so fake :P
2008-04-17 14:08 < quanticle> OverlordQ: Yeah. The lack of dust and haze in space makes everything look 'shopped.
2008-04-17 14:08 < cimon> OverlordQ, my thoughts too.
2008-04-17 14:09 < jaymacdonald> "I provided a explain about this, and since eyeOS is OpenSource, everybody is able to verify that my edit is correct, no offenses, and please, do not start a edit war."
2008-04-17 14:09 < Ceiling_Cat> HELLO KIDS!
2008-04-17 14:09 < jaymacdonald> His edit is not correct.
2008-04-17 14:09 < jaymacdonald> IT uses flat files!!
2008-04-17 14:12 < quanticle> jaymacdonald: Then provide a link showing that his edit is incorrect.
2008-04-17 14:13 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-17 14:13 < White_Cat> http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resim:Pirin%C3%A7.jpg
2008-04-17 14:13 < White_Cat> do you know what language that is?
2008-04-17 14:13 < White_Cat> "Aws"?
2008-04-17 14:13 * Ceiling_Cat looks
2008-04-17 14:13 < Ceiling_Cat> tr is turkish, isn't it?
2008-04-17 14:13 < White_Cat> Defnyddiwr:Okapi
2008-04-17 14:13 < White_Cat> ceil420 Aws isnt turkish
2008-04-17 14:13 < White_Cat> this image was coppied from some other wiki
2008-04-17 14:14 < quanticle> White_Cat: It looks Turkish to me as well.
2008-04-17 14:14 < White_Cat> Aws isnt turkish
2008-04-17 14:14 < White_Cat> neiter is Defnyddiwr
2008-04-17 14:14 * Ceiling_Cat shrugs
2008-04-17 14:14 < Ceiling_Cat> sorry, can't help you
2008-04-17 14:14 < Ceiling_Cat> in other news, my thesis was approved today
2008-04-17 14:14 < Ceiling_Cat> (Master's thesis)
2008-04-17 14:14 < quanticle> White_Cat: AWS?
2008-04-17 14:15 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Congratulations!
2008-04-17 14:15 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Are you publishing it?
2008-04-17 14:15 < Ceiling_Cat> thanks
2008-04-17 14:15 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - yes. I'll probably submit it to two conference and a combined version to a journal
2008-04-17 14:16 < Ceiling_Cat> The first one (describing the benchmark itself) will probably be submitted to one of the workshops at supercomputing 2008
2008-04-17 14:16 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat whats so super about it?
2008-04-17 14:16 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - supercomputing is a fun conference
2008-04-17 14:16 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Could you submit a pre-print to the arXiv as well, so us unwashed masses can see it too?
2008-04-17 14:16 < Ceiling_Cat> it's part trade-show, part academic conference
2008-04-17 14:17 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I was just putting it on my personal webpage :)
2008-04-17 14:17 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat and I suppose you will not invite me?
2008-04-17 14:17 < Ceiling_Cat> you want to see?
2008-04-17 14:17 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Heh. Sure.
2008-04-17 14:18 < dzekas> Is it possible that password reset form works with some delay?
2008-04-17 14:18 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: The advantage of the arXiv is that its searchable...
2008-04-17 14:20 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mpellegr/mstack/
2008-04-17 14:20 < Ceiling_Cat> 3rd paragraph
2008-04-17 14:21 < quanticle> Wow. 106 pages...
2008-04-17 14:21 < Ceiling_Cat> tell me about it
2008-04-17 14:21 < Ceiling_Cat> it takes so long to print out too
2008-04-17 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (although 30 pages of that is source code)
2008-04-17 14:23 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Even with source, there's 70 pages pf writing...
2008-04-17 14:23 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, how ambitious was your thesis, in your own evaluation?
2008-04-17 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - true. It took me a while
2008-04-17 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> the first two chapters were copied from my phd proposal I wrote last year
2008-04-17 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> the rest I wrote since january
2008-04-17 14:24 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - it wasn't large in scope, it's just my advisor made sure it was very thorough
2008-04-17 14:25 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: "The benchmark's philosophy is neither take-it-as-it-is nor pencil-and-paper but somewhere in between..." <- what do you mean?
2008-04-17 14:26 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - some benchmarks do not allow you to modify the supplied code
2008-04-17 14:26 < Ceiling_Cat> in fact, most of them are that way
2008-04-17 14:26 < quanticle> Ah. Ok.
2008-04-17 14:26 < Ceiling_Cat> (SPEC, for example)
2008-04-17 14:26 < Ceiling_Cat> a few (like the NAS NPB suite) are pencil-and-paper specifications
2008-04-17 14:26 < Ceiling_Cat> they allow you to write code best suited to your particular machine
2008-04-17 14:27 < Ceiling_Cat> provided you follow the parameters laid out by the benchmark writers
2008-04-17 14:27 < Ceiling_Cat> Understand?
2008-04-17 14:29 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, I was interested more in terms of the choice of subject... Was it esoteric, pragmatic, mainstream, standard?
2008-04-17 14:29 < Ceiling_Cat> Mstack is a custom benchmark
2008-04-17 14:29 < Ceiling_Cat> and the MTA-2 is a very, very exotic machine
2008-04-17 14:30 < cimon> so you could say there aren't many people who could have written your thesis.
2008-04-17 14:30 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - I'm am, for all intents and purposes, the only person who uses the MTA-2
2008-04-17 14:30 < Ceiling_Cat> I consider it almost like my personal supercomputing platform :)
2008-04-17 14:30 < cimon> I take that as a yes.
2008-04-17 14:30 < cimon> ;)
2008-04-17 14:32 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Heh. How does it feel to basically own a supercomputer?
2008-04-17 14:33 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - it's fun, although the MTA-2 is a very old lady
2008-04-17 14:33 < Ceiling_Cat> (it's ~18 years old, I think)
2008-04-17 14:33 < Ceiling_Cat> for a supercomputer, that's ancient
2008-04-17 14:34 < Ceiling_Cat> but the work is relavant because (a) it's still a valid paradigm for parallelism
2008-04-17 14:34 < Ceiling_Cat> and (b) because it has a successor coming out
2008-04-17 14:35 < cimon> hmm. to you computers are female?
2008-04-17 14:35 < cimon> Mine is a beagle in my own mind...
2008-04-17 14:36 < quanticle> cimon: Computers are female, just like cars and ships...
2008-04-17 14:36 < cimon> somewhat comical with its quirks, but basically something I can always thwack with a newspaper on the nose...
2008-04-17 14:37 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - except the german battleship bismark
2008-04-17 14:37 < Ceiling_Cat> its captain insisted that the ship be called 'he'
2008-04-17 14:37 < cimon> hwh
2008-04-17 14:37 < cimon> *heh
2008-04-17 14:37 < Ceiling_Cat> (or the german equivalent thereof)
2008-04-17 14:37 < cimon> I think yoy mean Bismarck
2008-04-17 14:37 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Well, I follow the British tradition of referring to ships as 'she'. I think Germans and Russians refer to ships in the male form...
2008-04-17 14:38 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - no, the germans do not. The Bismark was exception in that sense ;)
2008-04-17 14:38 < quanticle> Ah. Ok.
2008-04-17 14:38 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't know about russians
2008-04-17 14:38 < Sceptre> why does DCC remind me of Soulja Boy?
2008-04-17 14:38 < cimon> that is just like the traditions of what to call ones native land. Fatherland or Motherland...
2008-04-17 14:38 < Sceptre> Sent DCC File Transfer offer to “redacted” from YOU
2008-04-17 14:38 < White_Cat> mmm
2008-04-17 14:39 < Ceiling_Cat> I have a russian (well, Russia->Germany->US) in my research group - I can ask him
2008-04-17 14:39 < jaymacdonald1> In Russia, question asks you!
2008-04-17 14:39 < White_Cat> I am going to replace every instance of {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} with {{GFDL-self-en}}
2008-04-17 14:39 < White_Cat> any objections?
2008-04-17 14:39 < Ceiling_Cat> in soviet russia, internet logs onto you
2008-04-17 14:39 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat no
2008-04-17 14:39 < White_Cat> its the KGB
2008-04-17 14:40 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, you americans don't have a word like that do you. You will call the US "the land of my fathers", but that is just about it. To you your country is an Uncle.
2008-04-17 14:40 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: In Soviet Russia IRC chats on YOU!
2008-04-17 14:40 < White_Cat> cimon well
2008-04-17 14:40 < White_Cat> everyone living in the US didnt originate there
2008-04-17 14:40 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - except the indians
2008-04-17 14:40 < White_Cat> no
2008-04-17 14:40 < Ceiling_Cat> all 5 of them that are left
2008-04-17 14:40 < White_Cat> they also immigrated
2008-04-17 14:40 < White_Cat> just earlier
2008-04-17 14:41 < cimon> right, it is like donald duck taking care of some nephews
2008-04-17 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - well, by that logic
2008-04-17 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> everyone outside of trasnval in south africa emigrated there
2008-04-17 14:41 < White_Cat> yes
2008-04-17 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> It's just a matter of time scale
2008-04-17 14:41 < White_Cat> we all should depart to there
2008-04-17 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> and, for that matter, since we don't know when life first evolved on this planet
2008-04-17 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> nobody really knows if they are an immigrant or not ;)
2008-04-17 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> erm, don't know *where* life first evolved
2008-04-17 14:42 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat sure we do
2008-04-17 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> (we have a pretty good idea of when)
2008-04-17 14:42 < quanticle> cimon: Heh. I don't think you'll ever catch an American calling his country the 'Fatherland'...
2008-04-17 14:42 < White_Cat> in the hands of god
2008-04-17 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - but Ceiling_Cat doesn't have haneds
2008-04-17 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> hands*
2008-04-17 14:43 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat you are not god
2008-04-17 14:43 < quanticle> Yes. Ceiling_Cat has pws.
2008-04-17 14:43 * Ceiling_Cat burns White_Cat at the stake for heresy
2008-04-17 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> he's a witch!
2008-04-17 14:43 * White_Cat is non-combustable
2008-04-17 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Burn him!
2008-04-17 14:43 < White_Cat> I am not a he