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2008-04-16 19:38 < Rinn> 2.0.0.13.
2008-04-16 19:38 < Working_Cat> "In a 2007 video interview with fellow director and friend Robert Rodriguez, Tarantino "reveals" the secret contents of the briefcase, but the film cuts out and skips the scene in the style employed in Tarantino and Rodriguez's Grindhouse, with an intertitle that reads "Missing Reel". The interview resumes with Rodriguez discussing how radically the "knowledge" of the briefcase's contents...
2008-04-16 19:38 < Working_Cat> ...alters one's understanding of the movie"
2008-04-16 19:38 < Working_Cat> epic grinz
2008-04-16 19:38 < Rinn> I keep opening two tabs on accident, then trying to close one and ending up closing both of them.
2008-04-16 19:39 < geniice> Rinn not seen that
2008-04-16 19:39 < Working_Cat> Rinn: broken mouse?
2008-04-16 19:39 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Huh. Apparently 1994 was just an epic year for movies - Forrest Gump, Pulp Fiction, Speed, and Shawshank Redemption all came out that year.
2008-04-16 19:39 < Rinn> Working_Cat: It's happening to someone else I know, too.
2008-04-16 19:39 < Gazimoff> Wasn't 2.0.0.14 released today?
2008-04-16 19:39 < anon32> was it? I'm on 3.0b5
2008-04-16 19:39 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Also Lion King - can't forget that.
2008-04-16 19:39 < TheWeasel> Speed is quite possibly the movie with the worst sequels ever.
2008-04-16 19:39 < Working_Cat> [[List of epic movie years]]
2008-04-16 19:39 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-04-16 19:40 < Working_Cat> TheWeasel: dont count on that
2008-04-16 19:40 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Speed (the original) was quite good, though.
2008-04-16 19:40 < TheWeasel> that's why
2008-04-16 19:40 < quanticle> Its just that the sequels just ruined the name of the original movie.
2008-04-16 19:40 < TheWeasel> I meant original/sequel quality ratio
2008-04-16 19:40 < quanticle> Yeah.
2008-04-16 19:40 < Working_Cat> TheWeasel: though ofcourse, if you take the difference good-bad, then the ratio for speed is near top
2008-04-16 19:40 < TheWeasel> yup yup
2008-04-16 19:41 < Working_Cat> TheWeasel: stop reading my catty thoughts
2008-04-16 19:41 < geniice> anon32 and as a result of that and HTML 5 there are now firefox 3.0 only pages. firefox is truely the new IE
2008-04-16 19:41 < anon32> mmhmm
2008-04-16 19:41 < Working_Cat> Rinn: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13
2008-04-16 19:41 < TheWeasel> Even though Jaws is impressive in that regard.
2008-04-16 19:41 < Working_Cat> and its never happened to me
2008-04-16 19:41 < TheWeasel> it has horrible sequels.
2008-04-16 19:41 < Working_Cat> TheWeasel: GodFather buddy
2008-04-16 19:41 < Rinn> I just updated and it stopped.
2008-04-16 19:41 < TheWeasel> I liked the GF sequels
2008-04-16 19:42 * Rinn shrugs
2008-04-16 19:42 < Working_Cat> part 3 was awful
2008-04-16 19:42 < TheWeasel> not really awful
2008-04-16 19:42 < Working_Cat> well compared to the other 2
2008-04-16 19:42 < TheWeasel> not Speed 2 awful.
2008-04-16 19:42 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-04-16 19:42 < Working_Cat> by itself, it wasnt that bad.
2008-04-16 19:42 < Working_Cat> other than GF, what other sequels rocked?
2008-04-16 19:42 < TheWeasel> uh...
2008-04-16 19:42 < Working_Cat> im guessing LOTR does not quite count
2008-04-16 19:43 < Working_Cat> pirates-3 was better than 2 i guess?
2008-04-16 19:43 < TheWeasel> Shrek 2 was acceptable.
2008-04-16 19:43 < Working_Cat> yeah shrek was good
2008-04-16 19:43 * TheWeasel wonders when they started making sequels
2008-04-16 19:44 < TheWeasel> I think it's fairly recent
2008-04-16 19:44 < Working_Cat> spideys were all so-so
2008-04-16 19:44 < TheWeasel> Star Wars maybe
2008-04-16 19:44 < Working_Cat> ooo yeah SW
2008-04-16 19:44 < Working_Cat> well the eps 4 and 5 atleast
2008-04-16 19:44 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-04-16 19:44 < Working_Cat> though i did like 1,2,3... people seemed to hate them
2008-04-16 19:45 < TheWeasel> I haven't seen them, but I think there's a large element of "canonicality" elitism.
2008-04-16 19:45 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-04-16 19:46 < quanticle> Heh. I thought Star Wars Ep. 5 was the best. Empire Strikes Back FTW.
2008-04-16 19:46 < ThatGuyThatShow> homer invented the sequel
2008-04-16 19:46 < TheWeasel> Well, in books...
2008-04-16 19:46 < ThatGuyThatShow> first book, damn dude had to invent that
2008-04-16 19:46 < quanticle> ThatGuyThatShow: Though, oddly enough, the Trojan Horse doesn't appear anywhere in the Iliad or the Oddessey.
2008-04-16 19:47 < geniice> quanticle well no because it was greek
2008-04-16 19:48 < geniice> quanticle and we've lost the books that should appear before the Iliad
2008-04-16 19:48 < geniice> What a thing was this, too, which that mighty man [Odysseus] wrought and endured in the carven horse, where in all we chiefs of the Argives were sitting, bearing to the Trojans death and fate! 4.271 ff
2008-04-16 19:48 < geniice> But come now,change thy theme, and sing of the building of the horse of wood, which Epeius made with Athena's help, the horse which once Odysseus led up into the citadel as a thing of guile, when he had filled it with the men who sacked Ilium .
2008-04-16 19:48 < geniice> from the Oddessey
2008-04-16 19:49 < ThatGuyThatShow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilium/Olympos <---- interesting books
2008-04-16 19:49 < ThatGuyThatShow> dan simmons is quite a writer
2008-04-16 19:49 < Working_Cat> heh, Vyasa was an inclusionist -- "What is found here, may be found elsewhere. What is not found here, will not be found elsewhere."
2008-04-16 19:51 < quanticle> geniice: The Iliad takes place before the fall of Troy, and the Oddessey takes place after the fall of Troy. I think its the Aenid that mentions the wooden horse trick, no?
2008-04-16 19:51 < geniice> quanticle yes but passing metion in Oddessey
2008-04-16 19:51 < quanticle> Ah. Ok.
2008-04-16 19:51 * TheWeasel dislikes hexametres
2008-04-16 19:51 < MECU> where is 0.0.0.0? or 1.1.1.1? or 256.256.256.256?
2008-04-16 19:51 < ThatGuyThatShow> over here
2008-04-16 19:52 < Fou-Lu> in my pants
2008-04-16 19:52 < geniice> MECU> run a whois and find out
2008-04-16 19:52 < ThatGuyThatShow> 256... it kinda like infinity +1 maybe it's gods domain
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> Wikipedia
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> The
2008-04-16 19:53 < Working_Cat> sweet move Krimpet
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> is anyone here?
2008-04-16 19:53 < Working_Cat> ThatGuyThatShow: lol
2008-04-16 19:53 < ThatGuyThatShow> get back to work
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> if no ones here in 10 seconds, im out
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> 10
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> 9
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> 8
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> 7
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> 6
2008-04-16 19:53 < Traveler7> 5
2008-04-16 19:53 < Working_Cat> c-c-c-combo breaker!
2008-04-16 19:53 < geniice> hmm
2008-04-16 19:53 < MECU> lol
2008-04-16 19:53 * Krimpet sped things up :)
2008-04-16 19:53 < Working_Cat> in before the ban!!!
2008-04-16 19:54 < Working_Cat> wow Krimpet, just had a project milestone due or what?
2008-04-16 19:54 < geniice> Working_Cat B& perhaps
2008-04-16 19:54 < denelson83> too late
2008-04-16 19:54 < MECU> no one owns 256.256.256.256?! goldmine!
2008-04-16 19:54 < denelson83> o-bama-lama-ding-dong
2008-04-16 19:54 < Working_Cat> MECU: yeah. you can keep it if you want.
2008-04-16 19:54 < MECU> sweet, I'm a millionaire!
2008-04-16 19:55 < geniice> 127.0.0.1 sweet 127.0.0.1
2008-04-16 19:55 < denelson83> How about 999.999.999.999?
2008-04-16 19:55 < MECU> IPs only go up to 256
2008-04-16 19:55 < ThatGuyThatShow> er, no
2008-04-16 19:55 < Working_Cat> denelson83: flip it over and you get 4 of me.
2008-04-16 19:55 < Working_Cat> ThatGuyThatShow: shhhh
2008-04-16 19:55 < ThatGuyThatShow> not really
2008-04-16 19:55 < Working_Cat> ThatGuyThatShow: SHHHHHHHH
2008-04-16 19:56 < ThatGuyThatShow> oh
2008-04-16 19:56 < denelson83> Working_Cat: Sure thing, Beelzebub
2008-04-16 19:56 < Working_Cat> denelson83: call me Lucifer
2008-04-16 19:56 * MECU wants to go ban IP 256.256.256.256
2008-04-16 19:56 < denelson83> uh, no
2008-04-16 19:56 < denelson83> you ain't an op, MECU
2008-04-16 19:56 < Working_Cat> denelson83: cum im in need of some restraint
2008-04-16 19:56 < MECU> I'm not?
2008-04-16 19:56 < Working_Cat> *cuz
2008-04-16 19:56 < denelson83> cum? yuck!
2008-04-16 19:57 < Working_Cat> MECU: you are an OP. Overly Pathetic
2008-04-16 19:57 < MECU> Freudian slip, ouch
2008-04-16 19:57 < denelson83> HAHAHAHAHA
2008-04-16 19:57 < denelson83> hehe
2008-04-16 19:57 < MECU> only until I have more alcohol (or are alcohol-free)
2008-04-16 19:58 < ThatGuyThatShow> can anyone here make an official "#wikipedia thinks ThatGuy is really important" certificate looking like thing. Mothers day is coming up and mom thinks i'm a loser
2008-04-16 19:59 < ThatGuyThatShow> maybe some goldish letting would make it nice
2008-04-16 19:59 * Working_Cat does not see how that certificate would make him look any less of a loser... even if it were indeed true.
2008-04-16 19:59 < Working_Cat> ThatGuyThatShow: now now why dont you get a job
2008-04-16 20:00 < Sam1337> Is wikipedia down? I can't connect.
2008-04-16 20:00 < ThatGuyThatShow> Working_Cat: playing poker on line IS a job
2008-04-16 20:00 < geniice> ThatGuyThatShow depending on your parents better to get a job or arange an grandkid
2008-04-16 20:00 < ThatGuyThatShow> the money is more steady than network/computer repair in michigan these days
2008-04-16 20:00 < Working_Cat> arranging a grandkid takes sex. i dont think hes getting any.
2008-04-16 20:00 < ThatGuyThatShow> it
2008-04-16 20:01 < ThatGuyThatShow> i don't think so either
2008-04-16 20:01 < geniice> there are advantages to haveing siblings
2008-04-16 20:02 < ThatGuyThatShow> yeah, free old worn out clothes and stuff
2008-04-16 20:02 < ThatGuyThatShow> that kinda almost fit
2008-04-16 20:02 < ThatGuyThatShow> :)
2008-04-16 20:02 < Sam1337> lol I used to always get that
2008-04-16 20:02 < Sam1337> Only a few years ago
2008-04-16 20:02 < Working_Cat> what does this article need to get featured... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurukshetra_war
2008-04-16 20:02 < geniice> more the lack of pressure to sort out the grandkids thing
2008-04-16 20:02 < Sam1337> I can't connect to wikipedia ><
2008-04-16 20:02 < MECU> Did you know that June is Wikipedia Image Cleanup Month? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Image_Monitoring_Group#Wikipedia_Image_Cleanup_Month_.28June.29
2008-04-16 20:03 < geniice> Sam1337 try wikimedia commons
2008-04-16 20:03 < Working_Cat> Sam1337: youre banned
2008-04-16 20:03 < Sam1337> I'm banned?!?!?!?
2008-04-16 20:03 < Sam1337> I never edit
2008-04-16 20:03 < ThatGuyThatShow> prevented that problem
2008-04-16 20:03 < ThatGuyThatShow> nipping things in the bud these days
2008-04-16 20:03 < Sam1337> can't connect to wikimedia commons
2008-04-16 20:03 < geniice> Sam1337 probably an issue at your end
2008-04-16 20:04 < Sam1337> I can't connect to a few sites today oddly
2008-04-16 20:04 < geniice> can you view wikimedia commons?
2008-04-16 20:04 < Sam1337> no
2008-04-16 20:04 < geniice> ISP?
2008-04-16 20:04 < Sam1337> British Telecom
2008-04-16 20:04 < Sam1337> it sucks ><
2008-04-16 20:04 < geniice> BT? hmm
2008-04-16 20:04 < Working_Cat> Sam1337: yeah, see it says right here, that your IP has been banned.
2008-04-16 20:05 < Sam1337> why?
2008-04-16 20:05 < Working_Cat> unfortunately you cant see it cuz you are banned :P
2008-04-16 20:05 < MECU> "All users with 1337 in their name are hereby banned." -- Jimbo
2008-04-16 20:05 < geniice> I really can't see BT haveing Peering issues
2008-04-16 20:05 < Working_Cat> Sam1337: im just a prick, ignore me.
2008-04-16 20:05 < ThatGuyThatShow> Sam1337: http://http://91.198.174.2/ see if you get anything
2008-04-16 20:05 < ThatGuyThatShow> er, http://http://91.198.174.2/
2008-04-16 20:05 < ThatGuyThatShow> arg
2008-04-16 20:05 < ThatGuyThatShow> you know what i mean
2008-04-16 20:05 < Sam1337> both work
2008-04-16 20:05 < Working_Cat> ThatGuyThatShow: HTTPHAIL
2008-04-16 20:06 < Sam1337> taking out the http stuff doesn't work
2008-04-16 20:06 < ThatGuyThatShow> http://91.198.174.2/ <---- you get something then right?
2008-04-16 20:06 < Sam1337> no
2008-04-16 20:06 * MECU wonders why a survey thinks you can't have a wireless AND a wired internet in your home?
2008-04-16 20:07 < Golbez> hey folks
2008-04-16 20:07 < Golbez> is there a policy on linking to incubator articles?
2008-04-16 20:07 < Sam1337> MECU I think we have a wired and a wireless interne t in our home.
2008-04-16 20:07 < ThatGuyThatShow> i have wireless IN my house and no wired internet, that would really puzzle them
2008-04-16 20:07 < geniice> BT isn't Tier 1 and doesn't reallly try to be so why can't be peering issues anyway we would have noticed that
2008-04-16 20:07 < Golbez> actually nm, the link isn't good anyway
2008-04-16 20:08 < Sam1337> It feels like half the interweb is down atm for me ><
2008-04-16 20:08 < ThatGuyThatShow> you're probably having dns issues
2008-04-16 20:08 < ThatGuyThatShow> er, they are
2008-04-16 20:08 * MECU wonders where Sam1337 went
2008-04-16 20:09 < ThatGuyThatShow> Sam1337: what other sites can't you reach?
2008-04-16 20:10 < Sam1337> wikipedia is one
2008-04-16 20:10 < ThatGuyThatShow> right, pick another
2008-04-16 20:12 < Sam1337> googling
2008-04-16 20:12 < Sam1337> http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/
2008-04-16 20:12 < ThatGuyThatShow> 72.14.207.99
2008-04-16 20:12 < ThatGuyThatShow> try that
2008-04-16 20:12 < ThatGuyThatShow> don't worry about more examples
2008-04-16 20:13 < Sam1337> that works
2008-04-16 20:14 < geniice> go bless wikipedia indeed
2008-04-16 20:14 < geniice> http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=934
2008-04-16 20:14 < Sam1337> It did feel like half the web was down but now it doesn't.
2008-04-16 20:15 < ThatGuyThatShow> it only felt that way because you need to expand your perspective ;)
2008-04-16 20:15 < geniice> wikipedia makes the internet not suck
2008-04-16 20:15 < zocky> TheWeasel, how do you say "my feet hurt" and "my feet are killing me" in deutsch?
2008-04-16 20:16 < Working_Cat> zocky: "Owww" and "FUCKKKK"
2008-04-16 20:16 < quanticle> geniice: Heh. There are other sites too. Ars Technica is quite nice...
2008-04-16 20:17 < geniice> zocky #wikipedia-de is that way
2008-04-16 20:17 < zocky> geniice, thanks ever so much
2008-04-16 20:17 < geniice> quanticle last time there was a de-peering mess was Ars Technica the site that worried you?
2008-04-16 20:18 < gwern> 'What is better than 9 dead babies in a dumpster?'
2008-04-16 20:18 < zocky> 1 dead baby in 9 dumpsters
2008-04-16 20:18 < zocky> or even worse, 9 dumpsters in 1 dead baby
2008-04-16 20:18 < quanticle> geniice: No. It was Slashdot, I think.
2008-04-16 20:18 < gwern> damn you
2008-04-16 20:19 < quanticle> gwern: Did you snort coffee out your nose?
2008-04-16 20:19 < geniice> quanticle eh wikipedia got knocked offline for a bunch of people due to a de-peering mess
2008-04-16 20:19 < gwern> quanticle: I snorkled a tiny bit
2008-04-16 20:19 < gwern> but I am an effete tea drinker
2008-04-16 20:20 < quanticle> geniice: Ah.
2008-04-16 20:20 < geniice> quanticle> 2006/7 whenever the last big one was
2008-04-16 20:20 < geniice> we got some interesing complaints
2008-04-16 20:20 < quanticle> gwern: Heh. You one of *those* elitists... :)
2008-04-16 20:21 < gwern> I'll never understand reddit. http://reddit.com/user/gwern/ <-- why are my two comments on 'Five Lost Cities Of The Future [PICS]' at 12 and 14 upvotes?
2008-04-16 20:21 < ThatGuyThatShow> i was gone missing from here for quite a long time, is there separate channel for drama now? i don't see any here
2008-04-16 20:21 < ThatGuyThatShow> or, do i just wait
2008-04-16 20:21 < geniice> ThatGuyThatShow what kinda drama do you want?
2008-04-16 20:22 < ThatGuyThatShow> hmmmm
2008-04-16 20:22 < gwern> ThatGuyThatShow: you need to wait. at some point slimvirgin will delete an article for her CIA masters, or jimbo will sell the WMF for one bajillion dollars in VC funding
2008-04-16 20:22 < gwern> sooner or later
2008-04-16 20:22 < ThatGuyThatShow> people suddenly getting upset over something that's been done "that way" for a long time with a splash of admin warring?
2008-04-16 20:22 < Working_Cat> gwern: what is?
2008-04-16 20:23 < gwern> Working_Cat: things are
2008-04-16 20:23 < gwern> Working_Cat: 'the world is all that is the case'
2008-04-16 20:23 < geniice> ThatGuyThatShow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Image_placeholders
2008-04-16 20:23 < Working_Cat> gwern: i meant what is better than 9 babies thingy
2008-04-16 20:24 < gwern> Working_Cat: oh. zocky knew the punchline already. it's an old dead-baby joke
2008-04-16 20:24 < ThatGuyThatShow> ooh, thanks, and a bit of *box too
2008-04-16 20:24 < MECU> is Commons ready for more images directed from Wikipedia (permission/OTRS or Federal US-Gov)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Upload#Info_on_how_to_add_a_license_if_not_in_the_dropdown_box
2008-04-16 20:25 < ThatGuyThatShow> i'll have to get caught up, i do recall i did start drinking quite a bit more alcohol after doing it last time
2008-04-16 20:25 < geniice> MECU no
2008-04-16 20:25 < ThatGuyThatShow> it's sad when the Doc says "no wikipedia for you"
2008-04-16 20:27 < MECU> whynot geniice?
2008-04-16 20:28 < geniice> MECU because I don't belive the average ENer whenm they claim use fed gov
2008-04-16 20:28 < Pilotguy_aw> ThatGuyThatShow: Try #countervandalism :P
2008-04-16 20:28 < ThatGuyThatShow> oh
2008-04-16 20:28 < geniice> MECUand people are not ready to amek new accounts on diffeerent projects
2008-04-16 20:29 < geniice> MECU remebr only admins have SUL
2008-04-16 20:29 < ThatGuyThatShow> i kinda got dumped when i had to go offline (so i wouldn't type) :/
2008-04-16 20:29 < MECU> geniice: yah, it's so hard to spend 5 seconds creating an account
2008-04-16 20:29 < geniice> MECU yes it is
2008-04-16 20:30 < zocky> gwern, that joke is older than me :)
2008-04-16 20:30 < MECU> geniice: and requiring good source informtion is really hard for uploaders (see my talk page for the arguments)
2008-04-16 20:30 < zocky> gwern, you know what's small and blue and inside a plastic bag?
2008-04-16 20:31 < gwern> zocky: an aborted asphyxiating baby
2008-04-16 20:31 < zocky> gwern, how about small and green and in a plastic bag?
2008-04-16 20:31 < gwern> zocky: the former, but Martian
2008-04-16 20:31 < zocky> gwern, nah, the same baby after 3 weeks
2008-04-16 20:32 * gwern groans
2008-04-16 20:32 < zocky> man, those jokes are awful
2008-04-16 20:32 < zocky> and there's dozens of them
2008-04-16 20:32 < gwern> isn't there a usenet newsgroup just for those jokes?
2008-04-16 20:33 < zocky> usenet is like sex
2008-04-16 20:33 < zocky> anything weird or gross you can think of has already been done
2008-04-16 20:33 < Working_Cat> zocky: also called Rule34
2008-04-16 20:33 < Working_Cat> rather a variant of it
2008-04-16 20:33 < MECU> sex with the moon
2008-04-16 20:36 * Working_Cat wonders why isnt there a [[Rule 34]] on wiki
2008-04-16 20:36 < Working_Cat> nevermind i said thta
2008-04-16 20:36 < Working_Cat> thtat
2008-04-16 20:36 < Working_Cat> grrrrr
2008-04-16 20:36 < Working_Cat> that*
2008-04-16 20:36 < ThatGuyThatShow> it was deleted right?
2008-04-16 20:37 < ThatGuyThatShow> yep
2008-04-16 20:40 < geniice> MECU see you and raise you http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Genisock2&diff=prev&oldid=206077901
2008-04-16 20:43 < Working_Cat> heh heh heh
2008-04-16 20:50 < quanticle> Working_Cat: What's so funny?
2008-04-16 20:51 < Working_Cat> :(
2008-04-16 20:51 < quanticle> Huh?
2008-04-16 20:53 < Random832> http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2008-04-0416-003.shtml - is this User:Sbharris?
2008-04-16 20:53 < FastLizard4> ...
2008-04-16 20:53 < FastLizard4> why did that ping me?
2008-04-16 20:53 < Random832> no clue, what are your hilights?
2008-04-16 20:54 < Random832> hmm... *reads* must be someone else
2008-04-16 20:54 < Working_Cat> quanticle: if you dont find it funny, keep it to yourself, no need to attack others for it.
2008-04-16 20:55 < Working_Cat> FastLizard4: what pinged you?
2008-04-16 20:55 < FastLizard4> [17:53:18] <Random832> http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2008-04-0416-003.shtml - is this User:Sbharris?
2008-04-16 20:55 < FastLizard4> :\
2008-04-16 20:55 < Random832> right - what are your pings?
2008-04-16 20:56 < Random832> any odd regexes?
2008-04-16 20:56 < Working_Cat> i think FastLizard4 must be using regexes
2008-04-16 20:56 < FastLizard4> Random832: I would flood myself off the channel if I pasted them
2008-04-16 20:56 < FastLizard4> No regexes
2008-04-16 20:56 < Working_Cat> lol Random832 just my thought
2008-04-16 20:56 < FastLizard4> oh
2008-04-16 20:56 < FastLizard4> newswire is on my ping list
2008-04-16 20:56 < FastLizard4> But I said stalk whole words only :\
2008-04-16 20:57 < Working_Cat> quanticle: i was laughing at the vein in which that guy replied to genisock2
2008-04-16 20:57 < Working_Cat> the :( and the other statement were ofcourse me being weird
2008-04-16 20:58 < Working_Cat> i got some new wires
2008-04-16 20:58 < Working_Cat> i wonder what would happen if i were dyslexic
2008-04-16 20:58 < Working_Cat> i tog moes newswire
2008-04-16 20:59 * FastLizard4 points at Working_Cat with a ban rifle
2008-04-16 20:59 < Working_Cat> what? suddenly making fun of dyslexics isnt funny?
2008-04-16 21:00 < Working_Cat> dyslexics untie!
2008-04-16 21:00 * quanticle points and laughs at the dyslexics
2008-04-16 21:01 < Working_Cat> be warned! i have a very sexy learning disability!
2008-04-16 21:05 < geniice> dsylexia isn't sexy trust me on this
2008-04-16 21:10 < Working_Cat> geniice: you missed the reference. but im sure quanticle will fill you in on the details.
2008-04-16 21:10 < Working_Cat> i'll be gone for the day.
2008-04-16 21:11 < Werdna> hi
2008-04-16 21:26 < MECU|afk> hi Werdna
2008-04-16 21:26 < Werdna> uh oh
2008-04-16 21:27 < Golbez> all glory to the hypnotoad.
2008-04-16 21:28 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-04-16 21:29 * Messedrocker adds soot to Ceiling_Cat's face
2008-04-16 21:29 < Messedrocker> BLACKFACE!
2008-04-16 21:29 < Messedrocker> ceiling cat is a darkie!
2008-04-16 21:29 * Ceiling_Cat does his racist blackface jig
2008-04-16 21:29 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - yes mas'sa
2008-04-16 21:29 < Ceiling_Cat> days never finished, massa got me workin
2008-04-16 21:29 < Ceiling_Cat> someday massa set me free....
2008-04-16 21:45 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: How's being a power broker?
2008-04-16 21:49 < TheWeasel> a brauer poker
2008-04-16 21:52 < Lucifer_Cat> meow?
2008-04-16 21:54 < TheWeasel> Bambam beebam badambam beebam
2008-04-16 21:55 < TheWeasel> To cows in the fountain
2008-04-16 21:55 < TheWeasel> *Two
2008-04-16 21:57 < TheWeasel> Night
2008-04-16 22:00 * Lucifer_Cat huggles TheWeasel
2008-04-16 22:01 < Lucifer_Cat> night sweety
2008-04-16 22:07 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: http://youtube.com/watch?v=p_bMhNI_TY8&feature=bz302
2008-04-16 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> OMG
2008-04-16 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> South park just mentioned us
2008-04-16 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> "each family gets 40 seconds of internet access a day"
2008-04-16 22:17 < Ceiling_Cat> "40 seconds! That ain't even enough to check Wikipedia!"
2008-04-16 22:17 < Cyrius> you know we're not exactly obscure
2008-04-16 22:24 < zocky> <<Bush proposes new climate change strategy>>
2008-04-16 22:24 < zocky> i wonder if it's faith-based
2008-04-16 22:27 < Ceiling_Cat> Ok, my master's thesis, release candidate 2 is now finished
2008-04-16 22:28 < Nihiltres> .•°˚.•oO°˚ .-•-o-O-°-˚
2008-04-16 22:28 * OvrLrd-Q hax the gibson and puts the source on usenet
2008-04-16 22:34 < enok|walker> hay gang
2008-04-16 22:36 < enok|walker> i finally wrote an article after like ten months of not writing any it was so much fun aww yeah
2008-04-16 22:38 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: whats release candidate 2
2008-04-16 22:41 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - [[release candidate]]
2008-04-16 22:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: if i'd intended to wiki it, i'd have done it without risking sounding ignorant
2008-04-16 22:42 < Lucifer_Cat> but well, i'll check it anyways
2008-04-16 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - the release candidate is what is between a beta test and the actual release
2008-04-16 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> i means "we think this is good enough that it's a candidate to be release"
2008-04-16 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> it*
2008-04-16 22:42 < Lucifer_Cat> so... your thesis is a program/software?
2008-04-16 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - no, I'm using software terminology to describe a document
2008-04-16 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> although it's a document about software ;)
2008-04-16 22:43 < Lucifer_Cat> oh, in that case "lol"
2008-04-16 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> my any analysis thereof
2008-04-16 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> and my*
2008-04-16 22:45 < Lucifer_Cat> lol "any"
2008-04-16 22:45 < Lucifer_Cat> that reminds me i havnt checked phdcomics this week
2008-04-16 22:47 < OverlordQ> wow it's a maricle, first firefox incremental update that worked without having to resort to the full update.
2008-04-16 22:52 < enok|walker> I had to leave that other wikipedia channel it was getting too lame so what's going on peoples
2008-04-16 22:54 < Kraps> why shouldn't experts on wiki be vetted?
2008-04-16 22:55 < enok|walker> vetted?
2008-04-16 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> YAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!
2008-04-16 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Let me sign at 12:00 noon.
2008-04-16 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> See me at 11:30am.
2008-04-16 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> I will let it pass.
2008-04-16 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Gao
2008-04-16 22:56 * Ceiling_Cat does his happy dance
2008-04-16 22:57 < Lucifer_Cat> heh i know how it feels to be able to grduate :D
2008-04-16 22:57 < Lucifer_Cat> have a job offer?
2008-04-16 22:57 < Lucifer_Cat> your resume must be a rocking one
2008-04-16 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> this is only the master's thesis
2008-04-16 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> the phd is still a couple years away
2008-04-16 22:58 < Lucifer_Cat> oh
2008-04-16 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> but it's one of the longest ones my group has produced in a long time
2008-04-16 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> (106 pages)
2008-04-16 22:58 < Lucifer_Cat> i thought u were finishing after masters
2008-04-16 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> no
2008-04-16 22:59 * Ceiling_Cat wants to be Dr. Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-16 22:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Dr. Raul
2008-04-16 22:59 < enok|walker> do i literally need to be an admin to go to the admin channel
2008-04-16 23:00 < bumm13> yeah, basically
2008-04-16 23:00 < Lucifer_Cat> enok|walker: yeah. they verify the tattoo on the foreskin.
2008-04-16 23:00 < enok|walker> :o
2008-04-16 23:00 < bumm13> what about those without foreskins? :-p
2008-04-16 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - did you watch drawn together?
2008-04-16 23:00 < Lucifer_Cat> i wanted to be Dr. Lucifer too. but i decided it wasnt worth the trouble from my perspective
2008-04-16 23:01 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: im TV-less
2008-04-16 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> !
2008-04-16 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> there's a *hilarious* epsiode where captian hero is being pursued by a former love interest, who wants to marry him. While he's sleeping, he notices she's covered in lots of tatoos about him
2008-04-16 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> one across her buttock says "I'm marrying her"
2008-04-16 23:01 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-04-16 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> he pushes open her buttcheek... "I'm marrying her.... ooooo god! That's the most disgustingly clever tatoo I've ever seen"
2008-04-16 23:02 < Lucifer_Cat> rofl
2008-04-16 23:02 < bumm13> so the tattoo artist declared he was marrying her? :)
2008-04-16 23:02 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - no, not quite
2008-04-16 23:02 < Ceiling_Cat> think harder
2008-04-16 23:03 < Mike2> what's the template for deleting duplicate images on wikipedia
2008-04-16 23:03 < Mike2> when the duplicate appears on Commons that is
2008-04-16 23:03 < bumm13> hmm
2008-04-16 23:03 < bumm13> lesbian reference?
2008-04-16 23:03 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm marrying her, and her anus is the "o"
2008-04-16 23:03 < Ceiling_Cat> whoa
2008-04-16 23:03 < bumm13> ok.......
2008-04-16 23:04 < Ceiling_Cat> why was cyde k-lined?
2008-04-16 23:04 < Ceiling_Cat> an freenode staff around?
2008-04-16 23:04 < Ceiling_Cat> any*
2008-04-16 23:08 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: they actually showed her anus?
2008-04-16 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - no, it was off-camera
2008-04-16 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> they showed his reaction
2008-04-16 23:10 < Lucifer_Cat> thought so
2008-04-16 23:16 < Lucifer_Cat> when is brown cat gonna be unbanned
2008-04-16 23:18 < bumm13> does it really matter?
2008-04-16 23:21 < Lucifer_Cat> we need more color here
2008-04-16 23:21 < Lucifer_Cat> other than that, no
2008-04-16 23:21 < Lucifer_Cat> though i wanna ask him what his quit msg was
2008-04-16 23:21 < bumm13> well, ask Mark_Ryan, he's the person who banned him
2008-04-16 23:23 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: it was something like "jimbo rapes children"
2008-04-16 23:26 < bumm13> he's been nothing but a problem since he first showed up here
2008-04-16 23:26 < Cyrius> he's had periods where he wasn't a problem
2008-04-16 23:27 < snowolf> anyway, enquires regarding when brown_cat's gonna be unbanned should be directed at Mark_Ryan
2008-04-16 23:31 < bumm13> heh, I snagged Antibuddha sometime today
2008-04-16 23:33 < Cyrius> good
2008-04-16 23:34 < bumm13> le sigh
2008-04-16 23:36 * Lucifer_Cat is back from the laundromat
2008-04-16 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> lol i think i was there when Antibuddha got it
2008-04-16 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> and the quit msg was creepy
2008-04-16 23:37 < bumm13> *kersnap!*
2008-04-16 23:37 < bumm13> oh dear
2008-04-16 23:37 < bumm13> well, the quit message should be whatever I added to autorme
2008-04-16 23:37 < bumm13> *autorem
2008-04-16 23:37 < Lucifer_Cat> no i meant brown cat
2008-04-16 23:38 < bumm13> oh ok
2008-04-16 23:38 < Lucifer_Cat> also i have no idea why antibuddha guy was kicked
2008-04-16 23:38 < bumm13> he's a recurring troll
2008-04-16 23:38 < Cyrius> antibuddha needed to go
2008-04-16 23:38 < bumm13> all he does is "rant" about Wikipedia in negative fashion
2008-04-16 23:39 < gwern> and if he wasn't ranting about WP, he was ranting cluelessly about orbital megaengineering projects
2008-04-16 23:39 < Lucifer_Cat> i've heard of another troll but never been online here at same time with him
2008-04-16 23:39 < gwern> gott help us if ever he discovered the concept of 'skyhooks'
2008-04-16 23:39 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: among other things
2008-04-16 23:39 < Cyrius> I missed that rant
2008-04-16 23:40 < Cyrius> or blocked it from my memory
2008-04-16 23:40 < Cyrius> whichever
2008-04-16 23:40 < Lucifer_Cat> m&m anyone? Im opening up a big box
2008-04-16 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
2008-04-16 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> K-Lined for nothing, and kicks for free.
2008-04-16 23:54 < Lucifer_Cat> meh, C-A-D jumped the shark.... again
2008-04-16 23:57 < Lucifer_Cat> meh, i killed the chat.... again
2008-04-17 00:00 < Lucifer_Cat> MOAR CHATZ!!!
2008-04-17 00:03 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: doesn't seem to have worked
2008-04-17 00:03 * Cyrius goes back to reading an old New Yorker article about Mississippi River control
2008-04-17 00:03 < Lucifer_Cat> its slow acting - long lasting
2008-04-17 00:18 < Cyrius> speak of the devil
2008-04-17 00:18 < Cyrius> (the devil! the devil!)
2008-04-17 00:20 < EnlilNinlil> Devil?
2008-04-17 00:21 < FastLizard4> EnlilNinlil: Anything we can do for you?
2008-04-17 00:22 < EnlilNinlil> Yer, Improve the article on Fossils.
2008-04-17 00:22 * Cyrius arches an eyebrow.
2008-04-17 00:22 < OBOMATRAIN> hahg
2008-04-17 00:22 < FastLizard4> OBOMATRAIN: ?
2008-04-17 00:23 < OBOMATRAIN> i like wikipedia :)]
2008-04-17 00:23 < OBOMATRAIN> really do
2008-04-17 00:23 < EnlilNinlil> Thanks, I was just trying this, got here from Wikiversity.
2008-04-17 00:23 < FastLizard4> ahh
2008-04-17 00:23 < EnlilNinlil> OOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKK
2008-04-17 00:24 < EnlilNinlil> Lizard mate, what can you help me with?
2008-04-17 00:24 < FastLizard4> EnlilNinlil: I'm just watching the channel
2008-04-17 00:24 < bumm13> meowf?
2008-04-17 00:25 * amidaniel skins bumm13
2008-04-17 00:25 < bumm13> ouch!
2008-04-17 00:25 < FastLizard4> ¿ɟʍoəɯ
2008-04-17 00:25 < OBOMATRAIN> booomfuh
2008-04-17 00:25 < FastLizard4> OBOMATRAIN: No nonsense in the channel please
2008-04-17 00:25 < FastLizard4> No nonsense text, rather
2008-04-17 00:25 < BoL> seriously, he
2008-04-17 00:25 < BoL> 's going to kick you if you don't stop
2008-04-17 00:26 < OBOMATRAIN> hey man i just want to talk about knowloege and try to fit in
2008-04-17 00:26 < OBOMATRAIN> sorry
2008-04-17 00:26 < bumm13> talking about knowledge won't help with that goal
2008-04-17 00:26 < OBOMATRAIN> what goal
2008-04-17 00:26 < FastLizard4> <OBOMATRAIN> hey man i just want to talk about knowloege and try to fit in
2008-04-17 00:26 < FastLizard4> Trying to fit in
2008-04-17 00:27 < OBOMATRAIN> hah :)
2008-04-17 00:33 < nokmar> let's talk about knowledge, as wished.
2008-04-17 00:34 < FastLizard4> nokmar: 2+2=5?
2008-04-17 00:34 * nokmar takes notes
2008-04-17 00:35 < Executions_Cat> :???
2008-04-17 00:35 < FastLizard4> nokmar: Also, war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength
2008-04-17 00:35 < OBOMATRAIN> i cant wait till the TMT is finished
2008-04-17 00:35 < FastLizard4> nokmar: Most importantly, big brother is watching you
2008-04-17 00:35 * nokmar goes to read 1984
2008-04-17 00:35 < OBOMATRAIN> thirety meter telescope
2008-04-17 00:35 < FastLizard4> oooh
2008-04-17 00:37 < OBOMATRAIN> the destruction of words is a beatiful thing
2008-04-17 00:37 < FastLizard4> heh
2008-04-17 00:37 < FastLizard4> nokmar: Have you read 1984 yet?
2008-04-17 00:37 < nokmar> yes
2008-04-17 00:38 < FastLizard4> Ahh, good :)
2008-04-17 00:38 < FastLizard4> 1984 is required reading for this channel
2008-04-17 00:38 < FastLizard4> Animal Farm is also highly recommended
2008-04-17 00:39 < OBOMATRAIN> was orwell really a moderate socialist? i was told that but am not sure
2008-04-17 00:40 < FastLizard4> OBOMATRAIN: Yes, that is true
2008-04-17 00:40 < OBOMATRAIN> it kind of makse sence
2008-04-17 00:40 < OBOMATRAIN> but does not at the same time
2008-04-17 00:40 < FastLizard4> OBOMATRAIN: He fought on the side of the communists during the Spanish Civil War
2008-04-17 00:41 < amidaniel> O.o
2008-04-17 00:41 < FastLizard4> {{doubleplustrue}}
2008-04-17 00:41 < OBOMATRAIN> do you like "man with out a coutry"?
2008-04-17 00:42 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-04-17 00:42 < bumm13> _o/
2008-04-17 00:43 < EnlilNinlil> WHO WANTS to be eaten by a Dinosaur?
2008-04-17 00:43 < Cyrius> can't say I'm going to volunteer for that
2008-04-17 00:44 < EnlilNinlil> You dont have too.
2008-04-17 00:47 < EnlilNinlil> Any one know anything on Bashkyroleter a lizard like reptile?
2008-04-17 00:47 < Cyrius> never heard of it
2008-04-17 00:48 < OverlordQ> i heard it was like a lizard
2008-04-17 00:49 < EnlilNinlil> Yes, but there isn't much extensive info I can find.
2008-04-17 00:50 < EnlilNinlil> And had the first moder ears.
2008-04-17 01:54 < althepal> When you get a new message on your talk page, how come a scary orange warning bar comes up on top? Why not a nice friendly blue one with a nice crystal clear icon instead?
2008-04-17 01:55 < althepal> How do I suggest this change?
2008-04-17 01:55 < nokmar> bug tracker?
2008-04-17 01:55 < althepal> where
2008-04-17 01:56 < nokmar> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?group_id=34373&atid=411195
2008-04-17 01:56 < nokmar> oh wait
2008-04-17 01:56 < nokmar> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
2008-04-17 01:57 < nokmar> second link is correct.
2008-04-17 01:58 < althepal> ty
2008-04-17 02:02 < E_Wing> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:About#GNU_Equals_theft
2008-04-17 02:02 < E_Wing> Can somebody check this out pls.
2008-04-17 02:03 < althepal> nokmar I tried to make the account but I didn't get the email
2008-04-17 02:04 < nokmar> search around, I don't know
2008-04-17 02:04 < nokmar> alternatively, I can open an account for you if you like.
2008-04-17 02:04 < althepal> Wouldn't it be nicer if something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Newmessages would show up when you've got something on your talk page, rather than a big warning?
2008-04-17 02:04 < althepal> If you could do that, that'd be nice, thank you.
2008-04-17 02:05 < nokmar> well, yeah it would
2008-04-17 02:05 < nokmar> a better place to request help would be at #mediawiki
2008-04-17 02:05 < JohnReaves> althepal:You change that for yourself at your monbook.css
2008-04-17 02:05 < althepal> how?
2008-04-17 02:06 < nokmar> he wants it globally though, I think
2008-04-17 02:06 < althepal> globally would be way better
2008-04-17 02:07 < althepal> Why not make it nice for everyone?
2008-04-17 02:07 < JohnReaves> Not everyone likes the same thing
2008-04-17 02:07 < althepal> That's what a bug tracker's for I guess
2008-04-17 02:07 < althepal> But I'd figure more people like blue with a friendly message and icon rather than an orange bar
2008-04-17 02:08 < althepal> anyway, if at least in the meanwhile i could change it for myself, how would I do that?
2008-04-17 02:10 < JohnReaves> hold on, let me see
2008-04-17 02:16 * nokmar wonders
2008-04-17 02:16 * nokmar does not remember creating [[Wikipedia:Oh I say, what are you doing? Come down from there at once! Really, you're making a frightful exhibition of yourself.]]
2008-04-17 02:17 < nokmar> was there some random edit assigning or something?
2008-04-17 02:20 < JohnReaves> althepal:What's your username?
2008-04-17 02:32 < althepal> what? it's althepal on wikipedia
2008-04-17 02:33 < bluefoxicy> meat is murder
2008-04-17 02:33 < bluefoxicy> but animals are assholes.
2008-04-17 02:35 * bluefoxicy throws a chicken wing at wahrheit
2008-04-17 02:41 * bluefoxicy decides to make [[Vegetarian]] a #redirect [[Rabbit]]
2008-04-17 02:46 < JohnReaves> althepal:Check your messages
2008-04-17 02:51 < althepal> sorry i was away for a while... just a sec
2008-04-17 02:52 < althepal> i'm back
2008-04-17 02:53 < althepal> oh well that does look nicer
2008-04-17 02:53 < althepal> :)
2008-04-17 02:53 < althepal> how'd you do that?
2008-04-17 02:54 < althepal> so how'd you do that?
2008-04-17 02:54 < JohnReaves> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Althepal/monobook.css
2008-04-17 02:55 < althepal> Huh
2008-04-17 02:55 < althepal> eoe
2008-04-17 02:55 < althepal> i mean wow
2008-04-17 02:55 < nokmar> ...
2008-04-17 02:55 < althepal> Now I didn't see the icon show up
2008-04-17 02:55 < nokmar> you can edit people's monobooks?
2008-04-17 02:55 < althepal> i guess it's a wiki
2008-04-17 02:55 < nokmar> that should be crat level at least
2008-04-17 02:56 < althepal> So John, how come the image didn't show up?
2008-04-17 02:57 < althepal> And BTW: The regular text should be black, not blue.
2008-04-17 02:57 < althepal> But it's still way better thnx
2008-04-17 02:57 < althepal> nokmar: did you do the bug tracker?
2008-04-17 02:57 < nokmar> no
2008-04-17 02:57 < althepal> I never got that email
2008-04-17 02:58 < nokmar> well, I don't know what's going on
2008-04-17 02:59 < nokmar> I didn't know that admins could edit other peoples' monobooks either.
2008-04-17 02:59 < althepal> i guess they can
2008-04-17 03:00 < althepal> but how do i get the picture to show up?
2008-04-17 03:03 < althepal> i made the reg text black
2008-04-17 03:03 < althepal> but how do i get the image?
2008-04-17 03:04 < althepal> ok I got to go, but nokmar, if you can make a bug tracker request, that'd be nice, and JohnReaves, if you can get the image to show up for me, I'd really like that too. bye
2008-04-17 03:12 < The359> what's best for tending to an overworked thumb. Heat or ice?
2008-04-17 03:12 < The359> (yes, I know you're not doctors)
2008-04-17 03:12 < Co`mata`ge> ice :p
2008-04-17 03:13 * The359 played 12 hours of video games
2008-04-17 03:13 < nokmar> rest
2008-04-17 03:14 < nokmar> heat simply stimulates your thumb
2008-04-17 03:14 < nokmar> I don't know how that would help
2008-04-17 03:14 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Who does the Interwikipedian Chat on Skype?
2008-04-17 03:14 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> People are trying to invite me and I can't get the invite
2008-04-17 03:27 < lnxnt> hello everyone
2008-04-17 03:27 < lnxnt> can you tell me how I can place a table inside another table ?
2008-04-17 03:27 < Ral315> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost]] updated.
2008-04-17 03:27 < aufbau> hello inxnt!
2008-04-17 03:27 < Ral315> lnxnt: I'm not sure you can.
2008-04-17 03:27 < NoPegs> divide by zero...
2008-04-17 03:27 < Ral315> I certainly wouldn't suggest it.
2008-04-17 03:28 < Ral315> If you can, it's an ugly, ugly hack to do so.