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2008-04-14 08:27 < ThePolecat> Ask me sump'n simpler.
2008-04-14 08:28 * bumm13 overflow errors
2008-04-14 08:29 < zocky> there was a news item yesterday about how britney had an accident with her car
2008-04-14 08:29 < zocky> there was no damage, no one was hurt, and no charges were brought
2008-04-14 08:29 < zocky> so how is that news?
2008-04-14 08:29 < zocky> and this was on the bloody BBC
2008-04-14 08:29 < ThePolecat> the news is that authorities failed to evacuate the area when she drove.
2008-04-14 08:33 < ThePolecat> "In 2005, he has made a cameo appearance along with Larry the Cable Guy, Kid Rock, and Hank Williams, Jr. in Gretchen Wilson's music video..."
2008-04-14 08:33 < ThePolecat> Good lord.
2008-04-14 08:37 < ThePolecat> quite the panopticum.
2008-04-14 08:40 < bumm13> that sounds horrid
2008-04-14 08:41 < ThePolecat> betcha.
2008-04-14 08:42 < bumm13> trashtastic :)
2008-04-14 08:43 < ThePolecat> "...and the Trent Lott International Airport, located within Jackson County."
2008-04-14 08:43 < ThePolecat> Coming to think of it, I don't think I want to see the Deep South.
2008-04-14 08:43 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-14 08:45 < ThePolecat> it's funny how low the standards for "int'l airports" are
2008-04-14 08:46 < ThePolecat> in Germany there's an "intercontinental aiport", because you can fly to Turkey from there
2008-04-14 08:48 < zocky> a funny thing about airports (and ferries) in europe is the contrast between traveling from the continent to UK and vice versa
2008-04-14 08:48 < zocky> when you go to UK, they subject you to questioning, they look at your stuff, and generally treat you as a potential imigrant and/or terrorist
2008-04-14 08:48 < zocky> when you go the other way, nobody even looks at you
2008-04-14 08:50 < zocky> when I went to UK in 2000, they were very unhappy with me having no cash in my wallet, and it got pretty bizarre when they asked me how do I know they atms in UK
2008-04-14 08:51 < bumm13> that is a tad messed up
2008-04-14 08:51 < zocky> in the end, they asked me if I'm traveling with anyone, and I pointed out my friend, who already got through because she had traveler's checks, and they called her over and asked "do you know this man?"
2008-04-14 08:52 < zocky> they're pretty paranoid about it
2008-04-14 08:52 < ThePolecat> "wait, who are you" :-P
2008-04-14 09:02 < ThePolecat> sudden wikislow
2008-04-14 09:03 < nsh> feined paranoia is necessary precursor to percieved paranoia
2008-04-14 09:03 < nsh> it's a "fake it 'til you make it" approach to fearmongering
2008-04-14 09:14 < ThePolecat> Wikichewinggum.
2008-04-14 09:16 < ThePolecat> there's an Australian place called "Woodenbong"
2008-04-14 09:16 < ThePolecat> that is not a recommendation, hopefully
2008-04-14 09:16 < zocky> hehe
2008-04-14 09:19 < arcimboldo_> sportsmen's name like "guy forget" or "frank luck" are also slightly distracting
2008-04-14 09:19 < arcimboldo_> names
2008-04-14 09:20 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-14 09:20 < ThePolecat> When I watched Sydney 2000, I was especially taken by German rower Katrin Rutschow-Stomporowski
2008-04-14 09:23 < ThePolecat> I think even Frank Luck has retired by now.
2008-04-14 09:26 < Lubaf> [[WP:NEEDSMOARDRAMA]]: I see a great need.
2008-04-14 09:27 < ThePolecat> "The Coeur d'Alene district has had a history of miners' disputes. Harry Orchard, who owned a share of the Hercules Mine in the nearby mountains before it began producing, and who later confessed to dynamiting a $250,000 mill near Wardner during a contentious 1899 miners' dispute, would also confess to a secret, brutal and little understood role in the Colorado Labor Wars before returning to...
2008-04-14 09:27 < ThePolecat> ...Idaho to assassinate former Idaho Governor Frank Steunenberg."
2008-04-14 09:27 < ThePolecat> Lovely guy.
2008-04-14 09:28 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-14 09:28 < ThePolecat> (bit pro-worker POV but impressive nonetheless)
2008-04-14 09:28 < bumm13> the wild West
2008-04-14 09:28 < Nightfly> is wikipedia running horribly slow for anyone else?
2008-04-14 09:28 < str4nd> \o
2008-04-14 09:28 < ThePolecat> It is for me.
2008-04-14 09:28 < ThePolecat> the bar on the left in particular.
2008-04-14 09:29 < Nightfly> Searches run fine, but once I try to load an article, it's lag city
2008-04-14 09:30 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-04-14 09:39 < arcimboldo_> congratulations Mr. Berlusconi :(
2008-04-14 09:39 < Aqwis> shoot him already
2008-04-14 09:52 < ThePolecat> the Italian left is of such breathtaking incompetence that it's hard to blame the voter.
2008-04-14 09:52 < zocky> zomg, silvio won?
2008-04-14 09:53 < arcimboldo_> Well, they're not all incompentent ... but the problem is that they have to keep a fleebag from the Rifondazione to the center-right together ...
2008-04-14 09:53 < arcimboldo_> so they can only move by the smallest common denominator ...
2008-04-14 09:53 < zocky> so now we're going to have to listen to even more crap about 1945 and whatnot
2008-04-14 09:54 < ThePolecat> well, to display a coherent alternative.
2008-04-14 09:54 < arcimboldo_> Yeah, for Slovenians it may be particularly depressing to see him back in power ...
2008-04-14 09:54 < zocky> well, noone's forcing me to live in a country wedged between austria and italy
2008-04-14 09:54 < zocky> :\
2008-04-14 09:54 < ThePolecat> Carinthia more specifically
2008-04-14 09:54 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-14 09:54 < arcimboldo_> I'm not sure yet how well the Alleanza has fared as opposed to Forza
2008-04-14 09:55 * Jaqen is Italian
2008-04-14 09:55 < zocky> Jaqen, congratulations on your new government
2008-04-14 09:55 < arcimboldo_> a good italian or a bad italian?
2008-04-14 09:55 < Jaqen> zocky: they're just exit poll!
2008-04-14 09:56 * Jaqen is an Italian... in England
2008-04-14 09:56 < ThePolecat> maybe they're refuge polls
2008-04-14 09:56 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-14 09:56 < arcimboldo_> so you're less likely to have voted for Berlusconi ...
2008-04-14 09:56 < ThePolecat> exodus polls
2008-04-14 09:56 * Jaqen is evill
2008-04-14 09:56 < Jaqen> *evil
2008-04-14 09:57 * Jaqen would kill certain voters...
2008-04-14 09:57 < ThePolecat> get-the-hell-out-of-here polls
2008-04-14 09:57 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-14 09:57 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-04-14 09:58 < arcimboldo_> raislow
2008-04-14 09:58 < ThePolecat> vote early and often!
2008-04-14 09:58 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-14 09:59 < Jaqen> do you know that they didn't let [[Rita Levi-Montalcini]] pass the queue?
2008-04-14 09:59 < Jaqen> she's 99 years old, nearly blind and not able to stand up without help
2008-04-14 10:00 < nsh> oh
2008-04-14 10:00 < Jaqen> because she voted for Prodi in the Senate
2008-04-14 10:00 < zocky> Jaqen, it's her own fault, she could've done like silvio, and she would look not a day over 70
2008-04-14 10:01 < Jaqen> zocky: LOL
2008-04-14 10:01 < nsh> yays for democracy
2008-04-14 10:01 < ThePolecat> "he's 65, but doesn't look a day over 80"
2008-04-14 10:01 * Jaqen laughs but there is nothing to laugh
2008-04-14 10:01 < arcimboldo_> She's the average age of Italian presidents, isn't she?
2008-04-14 10:01 < Jaqen> arcimboldo_: nearly :-)
2008-04-14 10:01 < Leslie_S> so is it more appropriate to call legal aid or the police about my being framed, and see what i can do?
2008-04-14 10:01 < nsh> how is italy, anyway?
2008-04-14 10:02 < zocky> hey, don't mock italian presidents. they all fought in WWI
2008-04-14 10:02 < nsh> last i heard, months ago, there was rubbish rotting on the streets of- was it milan?
2008-04-14 10:02 * nsh chuckles
2008-04-14 10:02 < nsh> and they did it in reverse
2008-04-14 10:02 < Jaqen> zocky: Napolitano didn't fight AFAIK
2008-04-14 10:02 < Jaqen> Italy is a shit
2008-04-14 10:02 < ThePolecat> there isn't any German WWI veteran alive, but an Austro-Hungarian one living in Germany
2008-04-14 10:02 < zocky> Jaqen, it was a joke. I said WWI, not WWII
2008-04-14 10:03 < Jaqen> zocky: oh, didn't noticed :-)
2008-04-14 10:03 < Jaqen> and Italians are stupid
2008-04-14 10:03 < Mike_H> Lakeland, Florida - Funeral services are going to be held this afternoon for Florida's longest-serving teacher, Hazel Haley.
2008-04-14 10:03 < Leslie_S> ...
2008-04-14 10:03 < Mike_H> Haley taught at Lakeland High School from 1940 until she retired in 2006.
2008-04-14 10:03 < Werdna> o__O
2008-04-14 10:03 < Leslie_S> Jaqen i know a stupid italian. to be honest, shes about as italian as i am swedish, so...
2008-04-14 10:03 < Werdna> jees
2008-04-14 10:03 * Leslie_S isnt exactly swedish..
2008-04-14 10:04 < zocky> Jaqen, the funny thing is, I never meet the stupid italians in italy
2008-04-14 10:04 < Aqwis> hurr
2008-04-14 10:04 < zocky> Jaqen, they all seem to be tourists here
2008-04-14 10:04 < Aqwis> when did the last veteran of the Napoleonic Wars die?
2008-04-14 10:04 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-14 10:04 < zocky> when I go to italy, I always meet nice people, none of whom would ever vote for berlusconi
2008-04-14 10:04 < zocky> but the italian tourists you see here are mostly exactly like the stereotype
2008-04-14 10:04 < Jaqen> it's difficult to "meet" someone someone who has voted for berlusconi, they don't admit it usually
2008-04-14 10:05 < ThePolecat> I know they paid benefits to 1870 veterans at least up to WWII.
2008-04-14 10:05 * Jaqen speaks very loud :-D
2008-04-14 10:05 < zocky> Jaqen, it probably has to do something with the kind of places I hang out at
2008-04-14 10:05 < Jaqen> zocky: where?
2008-04-14 10:06 < zocky> Jaqen, i tend to end up in alternative clubs
2008-04-14 10:06 < Jaqen> ah
2008-04-14 10:06 * ThePolecat tends to hang out in WWI veteran clubs
2008-04-14 10:06 < Working_Cat> alternative lifestyle?
2008-04-14 10:06 < ThePolecat> jk.
2008-04-14 10:06 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4609528&page=1
2008-04-14 10:06 < zocky> no, you ninny
2008-04-14 10:06 < Mike_H> this is just a disgusting story
2008-04-14 10:07 < Jaqen> stupid people are everywhere anyway. but sometimes they are useful
2008-04-14 10:07 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: must suck to be a german that way :P
2008-04-14 10:07 < Working_Cat> Jaqen: like during WW2 in Stalingrad
2008-04-14 10:07 < zocky> damn, I wish I could remember the name of the concert place in florence
2008-04-14 10:07 < ThePolecat> Mike_H: that's fairly harsh, but it's of even worse taste to leak the video on a news site.
2008-04-14 10:08 * Jaqen doesn't believe in taste
2008-04-14 10:08 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: whats the news about?
2008-04-14 10:08 * ThePolecat does, much.
2008-04-14 10:08 < Jaqen> zocky: dunno
2008-04-14 10:08 < zocky> Jaqen, where are you from in italy?
2008-04-14 10:08 < Jaqen> zocky: Trento
2008-04-14 10:08 < ThePolecat> oh, kids beating kids, who are gonna be charged as adults
2008-04-14 10:08 < Working_Cat> should be
2008-04-14 10:08 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: Six girls beat a girl unconscious
2008-04-14 10:08 < Mike_H> they wanted to post the video to YouTube
2008-04-14 10:08 < Working_Cat> yeah i heard that
2008-04-14 10:09 < Mike_H> to make themselves famous
2008-04-14 10:09 < zocky> Jaqen, ah, almost a neighbour :)
2008-04-14 10:09 < Mike_H> one of the girls was bailed out by Dr. Phil
2008-04-14 10:09 < Mike_H> scumbag.
2008-04-14 10:09 < Jaqen> it's in the north but Lega Nord is weak
2008-04-14 10:09 < Mike_H> They're all nasty filthy trailer trash who'll probably get knocked up anyway.
2008-04-14 10:09 < Jaqen> zocky: where art thou? ;-)
2008-04-14 10:09 < zocky> Jaqen, ljubljana
2008-04-14 10:09 < Werdna> Dr Phil?
2008-04-14 10:09 < Werdna> wtf?
2008-04-14 10:09 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: while i took a road stop yesterday, i saw something like "Parents of deranged freaks speak out"
2008-04-14 10:10 < Working_Cat> more like "charged girls" or something
2008-04-14 10:10 < Mike_H> Werdna: Dr. Phil wanted to report on the story, through the eyes of the girl
2008-04-14 10:10 < Mike_H> who got charged for beating up the other girl
2008-04-14 10:10 * ThePolecat doesn't care about stories about people usually
2008-04-14 10:10 < Jaqen> zocky: yeah, the Trento-Trieste bridge :-D
2008-04-14 10:10 < Working_Cat> i wonder what their parents had to say in their defense
2008-04-14 10:11 < Mike_H> Werdna: Dr. Phil's trash too. Anything for dollar$ and rating$.
2008-04-14 10:11 < ThePolecat> we'll find out in epic detail, I'm afraid.
2008-04-14 10:11 < Mike_H> Werdna: HE HAS A DIET BOOK
2008-04-14 10:11 < Mike_H> the man's like 250 pounds!
2008-04-14 10:11 * ThePolecat recuses self
2008-04-14 10:11 * ThePolecat does not gossip
2008-04-14 10:11 < zocky> Jaqen, i once almost went to trento, because the traffic signs at verona were so bad that we missed the road to trieste
2008-04-14 10:11 < Jaqen> zocky: LOL
2008-04-14 10:11 < Mike_H> bitch shouldn't be telling ANYONE how to diet if he's a fatass himself. just keepin' it real.
2008-04-14 10:11 < Working_Cat> im sure they'll blame it all on technology and wash their hands off all parental responsiblity
2008-04-14 10:12 < zocky> Jaqen, when we drove back, i saw that a tree had grown in front of the big sign, so anybody who didn't know the road would have missed it
2008-04-14 10:12 < Jaqen> anyway, on the exit poll Partito Democratico (Veltroni) has mor votes than Popolo delle Libertà (Berlusconi), but for the coalition it's the contrary
2008-04-14 10:12 < ThePolecat> well... it's about the guilt of those people, not their parents'.
2008-04-14 10:12 < Jaqen> zocky: that's italian efficiency
2008-04-14 10:13 * ThePolecat will see how libera the libertà will be
2008-04-14 10:13 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: yeah i know, that was going to be my next statement
2008-04-14 10:13 < Working_Cat> "and ofcourse, taking responsiblity for your actions, or even behaving responsibly is just so not the fashion these days"
2008-04-14 10:13 < ThePolecat> I can't understand how you can charge people who are not adults and don't display adult behavior as adults though.
2008-04-14 10:13 < yao_ziyuan> meow
2008-04-14 10:14 < ThePolecat> that's just part of the "tough on crime" bravado
2008-04-14 10:14 < zocky> charging kids as adults is a weird thing anyway
2008-04-14 10:14 < Working_Cat> yao_ziyuan: unless yao or ziyuan means "Cat" you cant do that
2008-04-14 10:14 < Jaqen> ThePolecat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0uqZE5w9sc
2008-04-14 10:14 < ThePolecat> I don't do Youtube.
2008-04-14 10:14 < ThePolecat> :-)
2008-04-14 10:14 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: beating someone senseless is not very innocent or childish either.
2008-04-14 10:15 < ThePolecat> no, but we're asking for mindset here, not for action
2008-04-14 10:15 < ThePolecat> keep in mind that there's presumption of innocence.
2008-04-14 10:15 < Working_Cat> thats not a very innocent mindset either
2008-04-14 10:15 < ThePolecat> Well...
2008-04-14 10:15 < zocky> our public(!) tv is getting their clips deleted off youtube, so you have to watch them through their website WITH REALPLAYER
2008-04-14 10:15 < ThePolecat> the question is whether they were capable of understanding the dimension of their wrongdoing
2008-04-14 10:15 < ThePolecat> And I highly doubt it.
2008-04-14 10:15 < Jaqen> ThePolecat: well, it's about the house of freedom (Berlusca) and it's very funny
2008-04-14 10:16 < ThePolecat> yea, I know
2008-04-14 10:16 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-14 10:16 < Working_Cat> yup. innocent until everyone agrees that the video does indeed show them beating a girl senseless.
2008-04-14 10:16 < ThePolecat> okay, you're not trying to understand what I'm saying.
2008-04-14 10:16 < Working_Cat> ThePolecat: "the question is whether they were capable of understanding the dimension of their wrongdoing" i think most adults do not exhibit that trait either.
2008-04-14 10:16 < zocky> Working_Cat, but adults are required to and kids aren't
2008-04-14 10:16 < Werdna> ThePolecat: Doli Incapax applies up to the age of 14 in most jurisdictions
2008-04-14 10:17 < zocky> that's the whole point of differentiating minors from adults
2008-04-14 10:17 < Werdna> a 16-year-old unquestionably understands that beating a kid unconscious is criminally wrong.
2008-04-14 10:17 < Working_Cat> oh btw, how old were the retards?
2008-04-14 10:17 < Working_Cat> i mean the girls who beat the other girl senseless
2008-04-14 10:17 < zocky> Werdna, yes, but do they understand that it will ruin their own life forever?
2008-04-14 10:17 < TheWeasel> Sorry, disconnection.
2008-04-14 10:18 < TheWeasel> Adults are charged as adults because they are in fact adults, there's a refutable presumption of the capability.
2008-04-14 10:18 < Working_Cat> zocky: that is supposed to be a matter of commonsense by the time you are 15 that beating someone senseless is not a very good lifestyle decision
2008-04-14 10:18 < TheWeasel> For kids, there's a presumption of the opposite
2008-04-14 10:18 < Werdna> zocky: no, treatment of 14-18 year olds in a juvenile system of justice has nothing to do with reduced culpability for an offence. According to the Bejing rules, and the convention on the rights of the child, people of that age have the same capacity to form the requisite mental element to commit a crime, but,due to their age, have better prospects for rehabilitation, and, therefore, as much as practicable, that rehabilitation ...
2008-04-14 10:19 < Werdna> ... should take priority over other interests like retribution, general deterrence, etc.
2008-04-14 10:19 < Working_Cat> Werdna: cool
2008-04-14 10:19 < Jaqen> http://politiche2008.interno.it/politiche/senato080413/S000000000.htm
2008-04-14 10:19 < TheWeasel> Well, certain jurisdictions may handle that differently.
2008-04-14 10:19 < Working_Cat> btw how old were the gals involved?
2008-04-14 10:20 < TheWeasel> 14-18
2008-04-14 10:20 < Working_Cat> 14.. maybe stupid enough...
2008-04-14 10:20 < Working_Cat> 18... certainly a criminal
2008-04-14 10:20 < TheWeasel> yea, there's no doubt there.
2008-04-14 10:21 < zocky> Werdna, according to my observation, and experience, the age when people become really aware of consequences of their actions (and the meaning of punishment) is closer to 25 than to 14
2008-04-14 10:21 < Leslie_S> bah
2008-04-14 10:21 < Leslie_S> ive been on hold with legal aid for EVER
2008-04-14 10:21 < Werdna> zocky: correct, but the time when they're capable of restraining themselves because of general deterrence is much lower.
2008-04-14 10:22 < Werdna> A 14-year-old might not understand the consequences on a victim of bashing them, but they understand that if they bash a kid, they end up in jail, and that they don't want that
2008-04-14 10:22 < TheWeasel> hm... American law seems to differ there.
2008-04-14 10:22 < TheWeasel> in no way would a 14-year-old ever end up in jail here.
2008-04-14 10:22 < zocky> TheWeasel, nor here
2008-04-14 10:23 < Werdna> they may in Australia
2008-04-14 10:23 * Jaqen believes that the parents are more guilty
2008-04-14 10:23 < Werdna> but only in certain circumstances
2008-04-14 10:23 < TheWeasel> and our crime rate isn't exactly skyrocketing.
2008-04-14 10:23 < Working_Cat> TheWeasel: but then, you have any cases of 14 year old gals beating someone senseless?
2008-04-14 10:23 < zocky> Jaqen, not necessarily
2008-04-14 10:23 < TheWeasel> no, but I suppose it happens.
2008-04-14 10:23 < Jaqen> zocky: not just the parents maybe
2008-04-14 10:23 < Werdna> 1) A "Serious children's indictable offence" - >25 years' punishment, or any aggravated sexual assault or indecent assault.
2008-04-14 10:23 < Working_Cat> Jaqen: maybe not "more" but "very guilty" nonetheless
2008-04-14 10:24 < zocky> Jaqen, kids are little people with their own minds. they're somewhat malleable, but they tend to do what they want to do, not what any adults force them to
2008-04-14 10:24 < Werdna> 2) If it would be "wholly inappropriate" to punish otherwise, they may be subjected to a control order of up to two years in duration, which requires them to be imprisoned in a juvenile detention facility.
2008-04-14 10:24 < TheWeasel> yea, subsidiary means.
2008-04-14 10:26 < TheWeasel> well, other countries, other uses.
2008-04-14 10:26 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-04-14 10:26 < zocky> Working_Cat, things of that sort are traditionally handled as school pranks here (though this one would be treated as a criminal offence here, too). but generally it's IMO better for the victim and for the attackers to be dealt with as kids, by the parents and teachers, and not by police and courts.
2008-04-14 10:26 * Jaqen had an education...
2008-04-14 10:27 < TheWeasel> there are educational tools that amount to detention of course.
2008-04-14 10:27 < TheWeasel> but it's not an adult jail.
2008-04-14 10:27 < TheWeasel> as in "applying adult law"
2008-04-14 10:28 < Jaqen> ehi, I was never punished by my parents, but I don't go away kicking people
2008-04-14 10:28 < zocky> kids are much more afraid of their parents than of the law
2008-04-14 10:28 < Working_Cat> zocky: yup. depends on the severity of crime. but just a few punches/kicks should be dealt with by a good spanking and revocation of all entertainment... not by juvenile halls
2008-04-14 10:28 < zocky> and seeing a kid who attacked you get punished by his parents is mostly satisfaction enough when you're a kid.
2008-04-14 10:28 < Working_Cat> zocky: lol yeah
2008-04-14 10:29 < Working_Cat> somehow you feel like a winner even though u're bleeding all over "{
2008-04-14 10:29 < Working_Cat> :P
2008-04-14 10:29 < Leslie_S> in my experience from when i was a kid...the parents of the attackers just dont care.
2008-04-14 10:29 < zocky> exactly
2008-04-14 10:29 < Working_Cat> Jaqen: only time i got punished was when i got bad grades :D
2008-04-14 10:30 < zocky> Leslie_S, well, that's a problem of the parents then, and it's one of the good reasons for holding parents responsible for what their kids do
2008-04-14 10:30 * TheWeasel reckons many traditional things in criminal law enforcement are counterproductive, but the productive ones are hard to do without state socialism :-D
2008-04-14 10:30 < Leslie_S> agreed
2008-04-14 10:30 < Leslie_S> but that doesnt happen
2008-04-14 10:30 < Leslie_S> the victim just gets blamed and punished by the school.
2008-04-14 10:30 < Leslie_S> thats always what happened to me atleast
2008-04-14 10:30 < zocky> the only time I was really punished (as opposed to didn't getting my way) was when we started "collecting" car logos
2008-04-14 10:30 < zocky> by taking them off cars
2008-04-14 10:30 < Working_Cat> Leslie_S: that was the point of what i said some time back... the parents will just blame the technology and internet and video games...
2008-04-14 10:30 < Leslie_S> LOL
2008-04-14 10:30 < zocky> i was about 8 or 9
2008-04-14 10:31 < Leslie_S> zocky theres are places where thats OK to do it. you know, junkyards.
2008-04-14 10:31 < Working_Cat> zocky: depends where you steal them from
2008-04-14 10:31 < Leslie_S> Working_Cat, no, *I* got blamed.
2008-04-14 10:31 < Working_Cat> heh, Leslie_S beat me to it
2008-04-14 10:31 < Leslie_S> Working_Cat you know, the victim
2008-04-14 10:31 * TheWeasel thinks there's a lot going on at private schools that comes fairly close
2008-04-14 10:31 < zocky> Leslie_S, we did it in our building's parking lot
2008-04-14 10:31 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-04-14 10:31 < TheWeasel> but boys will be boys, you know.
2008-04-14 10:31 < TheWeasel> there may be some sexism involved.
2008-04-14 10:32 < zocky> more hormones, I think
2008-04-14 10:32 < Jaqen> mmh, one time they didn't let me go to a friend's because I didn't tell them why I got a "note" (don't know the word, the thing from the teacher)
2008-04-14 10:32 < Leslie_S> i am so sick of life
2008-04-14 10:32 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-04-14 10:32 < Working_Cat> TheWeasel: as long as it does not get people hooked on substance abuse and STDs and half/full killing someone, its ok
2008-04-14 10:32 < Jaqen> Leslie_S: life is an illness
2008-04-14 10:33 < TheWeasel> almost nobody does a) and b) purposefully
2008-04-14 10:33 < TheWeasel> I meant the hazing stuff
2008-04-14 10:33 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-04-14 10:33 < zocky> tsk, tsk, kids... life is often great, and when it's not great it's OK
2008-04-14 10:34 < zocky> all you need is a place of your own, a lover, and enough money to get by
2008-04-14 10:34 < zocky> so instead of whining about it, go work on those :)
2008-04-14 10:34 < TheWeasel> As I said, I'm generally uninterested in news stories about people.
2008-04-14 10:34 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-04-14 10:34 < TheWeasel> So yea.
2008-04-14 10:35 < TheWeasel> Really brb.
2008-04-14 10:35 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-04-14 10:36 < Fennec> okay
2008-04-14 10:36 < Fennec> I /knew/ Vista UAC is a pain, but
2008-04-14 10:36 < Fennec> asking me to confirm renaming icons on my desktop?
2008-04-14 10:36 < Fennec> that's going too far
2008-04-14 10:37 < TheWeasel> Breathing is only for administrators.
2008-04-14 10:37 < zocky> Fennec, you can probably turn that off, by clicking ~30 times
2008-04-14 10:38 < Fennec> I know. :P
2008-04-14 10:38 < Working_Cat> and entering the password like ~5 times
2008-04-14 10:38 < zocky> when you get to the dialog that asks you to do a little dance, you're almost there
2008-04-14 10:38 * TheWeasel remembers an error message saying "Please contact the D: drive"
2008-04-14 10:39 < TheWeasel> I couldn't get a date though.
2008-04-14 10:39 < TheWeasel> it had restricted office hours.
2008-04-14 10:40 < Fennec> mine just pops up the box, no password
2008-04-14 10:40 < Fennec> so I don't mind half as much
2008-04-14 10:43 < zocky> "Error: Water detected in drive C. Starting spin cycle."
2008-04-14 10:44 < Jaqen> shit
2008-04-14 10:44 < [[Main_Page]]> Hi everybody
2008-04-14 10:44 < [[Main_Page]]> I'm your new main page :)
2008-04-14 10:44 < Working_Cat> heh heh heh nice nick
2008-04-14 10:44 < Thehelpfulone2> sure you are :P
2008-04-14 10:44 * zocky deletes [[Main_Page]]
2008-04-14 10:44 * TheWeasel should absolutely get a t-shirt saying Main Page in Arial.
2008-04-14 10:45 * TheWeasel vandalizes the Main Page
2008-04-14 10:45 < [[Main_Page]]> TheWeasel: why are you vandalizing me?
2008-04-14 10:45 * zocky badmouths [[Main_Page]] at [[Talk:Main_Page]]
2008-04-14 10:45 < TheWeasel> just so.
2008-04-14 10:45 * quanticle editprotects [[Main_Page]]
2008-04-14 10:46 * Fennec deletes [[Main_Page]]. zomg.
2008-04-14 10:46 * TheWeasel was just going to put a fundraising message on top.
2008-04-14 10:46 < TheWeasel> Too bad.
2008-04-14 10:46 < Fennec> /kick [[Main_Page]] BALEETED
2008-04-14 10:47 < zocky> {{salt|Main page}}
2008-04-14 10:48 * TheWeasel sees NPOV and citation issues with the current Main page.
2008-04-14 10:48 < TheWeasel> not to be confused with the [[Maine]] page
2008-04-14 10:49 < Leslie_S> ok, talked to a lawyer
2008-04-14 10:50 < Leslie_S> she says i should only be responsible for damage *I* caused
2008-04-14 10:51 < TheWeasel> don't let nobody scare ya.
2008-04-14 10:51 < TheWeasel> Brb.
2008-04-14 10:51 < Leslie_S> im gonna let the lawyer scare others though
2008-04-14 10:52 < quanticle> Leslie_S: What happened?
2008-04-14 10:54 < Leslie_S> some jerk accidently drove on the lawn and got stuck, outside of my apartment
2008-04-14 10:55 < Leslie_S> talked me into helping him
2008-04-14 10:55 < Leslie_S> i got my car stuck
2008-04-14 10:55 < Fou-Lu> lol
2008-04-14 10:55 < Leslie_S> after his was pulled out, he left, and guess what? the apartment people want me to pay for 100% of the damage.
2008-04-14 10:55 < Leslie_S> anyway, my lawyer says i should only be responsible for 50%
2008-04-14 10:59 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Ah. Ok.
2008-04-14 10:59 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Yeah, that sucks.
2008-04-14 11:00 < TheWeasel> that's where judicial randomness beginneth
2008-04-14 11:01 < TheWeasel> good luck with that :-)
2008-04-14 11:01 * Jaqen being a civil law country doesn't make you a civil country
2008-04-14 11:01 < TheWeasel> (i.e. share of damages for unquantifiable responsibility)
2008-04-14 11:02 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-04-14 11:02 < TheWeasel> and as a common country you can be very uncommon.
2008-04-14 11:02 < TheWeasel> *common law
2008-04-14 11:03 * zocky just had a very geeky moment
2008-04-14 11:03 < zocky> i looked at the map of law systems around the world, and one option is "custom law"
2008-04-14 11:03 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-04-14 11:03 < TheWeasel> the legal system anyone can edit
2008-04-14 11:03 < Werdna> customary law
2008-04-14 11:03 < zocky> and I immediately thought it was customized
2008-04-14 11:04 < zocky> werdna, yeah, of course, but that wasn't the first thing I thought of
2008-04-14 11:04 < Jaqen> :-)
2008-04-14 11:04 * TheWeasel , as almost all of continental Europe, lives in a civil law area
2008-04-14 11:04 * zocky goes put a {{legend}} on that map
2008-04-14 11:05 < TheWeasel> with adversarial procedure limited to civil procedure
2008-04-14 11:05 < Jaqen> TheWeasel: in Italy they reformed criminal procedure so that it is more similar to the American one
2008-04-14 11:06 < TheWeasel> if that works for them...
2008-04-14 11:06 < Jaqen> does it?
2008-04-14 11:06 < TheWeasel> in Germany the idea is to know what happens and why it happened.
2008-04-14 11:06 * Jaqen believes in the inquisitorial system BUAHHAAA
2008-04-14 11:06 < TheWeasel> not some kind of horserace
2008-04-14 11:07 < TheWeasel> I think adversarial criminal law brings courts perilously close to being "conviction machines"
2008-04-14 11:07 < TheWeasel> but maybe that's just my Euro-spectacles
2008-04-14 11:08 < Werdna> hmmm
2008-04-14 11:08 < Leslie_S> TheWeasel in this case, its obvious how much damage i caused. especially since i talked to the manager at 3am about it, and she *saw* it
2008-04-14 11:08 < Werdna> issue with inquisatorial is that the judge's impartiality is a key factor.
2008-04-14 11:08 < TheWeasel> Yea.
2008-04-14 11:08 < Werdna> adversarial, you have two sides, both biased, and the idea is they kinda even themselves out
2008-04-14 11:08 < Leslie_S> TheWeasel its total bullshit if they expect more than $100 total though.
2008-04-14 11:09 < Leslie_S> I'm gonna offer to just fix it myself, to be honest.
2008-04-14 11:09 < Leslie_S> its an easy easy fix that anyone can do with a rake and some grass seed.
2008-04-14 11:09 * Jaqen believes that juries are non-sense
2008-04-14 11:09 < Leslie_S> i presume that the apartment owns grass seed.
2008-04-14 11:09 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-04-14 11:09 < Jaqen> and elected attorneys? mah
2008-04-14 11:09 < Leslie_S> Jaqen juries, when selected reasonably, are better than a judge for important cases.
2008-04-14 11:10 < Jaqen> brrr
2008-04-14 11:10 < TheWeasel> the German law says you have to PRIMARILY replace the damage in natura
2008-04-14 11:10 * Jaqen democracy out of courts
2008-04-14 11:10 < Leslie_S> Jaqen if you think a jury is biased, why would a judge be better?
2008-04-14 11:10 < TheWeasel> Judges elected on "conviction quota" are much worse.
2008-04-14 11:10 < Leslie_S> and a judge is one person, so can be far far more biased
2008-04-14 11:10 < TheWeasel> Juries aren't biased, they're just easily swayed by smoke and mirrors.
2008-04-14 11:10 < Leslie_S> Jaqen anyway, my attorney is a private attorney that i talked to through legal aid.
2008-04-14 11:11 < Leslie_S> cause im poor
2008-04-14 11:11 < TheWeasel> a judge can see through lawyerly tricks much better
2008-04-14 11:11 < Leslie_S> yes, juries should be talked to about lawyerly tricks, but they arent.
2008-04-14 11:11 < Jaqen> Leslie_S: oh, I meant prosecutor
2008-04-14 11:11 < Leslie_S> oh, heh, i have a funny story about jury duty though
2008-04-14 11:11 < Leslie_S> my mom had to actually do jury duty once.
2008-04-14 11:12 * Jaqen believes in professional judges
2008-04-14 11:12 < Leslie_S> She got there, and guess what? they settled out of court before the actual trial. but the judge wanted the jury to stay and hang out with him for the rest of the day, basically.
2008-04-14 11:12 < Leslie_S> i mean, he didnt force them to stay, but he encouraged it...lol.
2008-04-14 11:12 * kmccoy has an impending jury duty request for Federal jury duty that may begin in September.
2008-04-14 11:12 < TheWeasel> it's good when amateurs are in an advisory function.
2008-04-14 11:12 < quanticle> Leslie_S: And she didn't weasel out of it?
2008-04-14 11:12 < TheWeasel> just not as a jury
2008-04-14 11:12 < Leslie_S> kmccoy ooh, federal. sounds fun.
2008-04-14 11:12 < Leslie_S> quanticle she left. obviously a judge ccant force you to hang out with him.
2008-04-14 11:12 < Leslie_S> quanticle but i just think its funny.
2008-04-14 11:12 < Leslie_S> who really wants to be in there longer than they have to?
2008-04-14 11:13 < Working_Cat> quanticle: dont use weasel words. you are hurting TheWeasel 's weasly sentiments
2008-04-14 11:13 * kmccoy sent them a letter explaining the nature of his job and how he is out of town nearly 100% of the time, but if the tour finishes by September and he's back in town, they may call him in.
2008-04-14 11:13 < quanticle> TheWeasel: I don't know. I rather think that sometimes it is good to have ordinary people applying the law. With judges, you don't have the possibility for jury nullification.
2008-04-14 11:13 < Leslie_S> Jury nullification is extremely important.
2008-04-14 11:13 < quanticle> Working_Cat: Heh. I was waiting for someone to pick up on the pun.
2008-04-14 11:13 < Working_Cat> kmccoy: tour heh
2008-04-14 11:13 * Leslie_S should refresh herself on the exact meaning of it though...her memory is foggy
2008-04-14 11:13 < TheWeasel> I'm not sure how that isn't just a systemic recourse
2008-04-14 11:13 < Working_Cat> quanticle: yeah, sorry for the delay. i was working.
2008-04-14 11:13 < TheWeasel> you can reject judges here
2008-04-14 11:14 < Leslie_S> TheWeasel but you dont realyl know what the judge is going to order until he does.
2008-04-14 11:14 < TheWeasel> if you can get the reasonable impression that he's unable to consider your case fairly
2008-04-14 11:14 < kmccoy> Working_Cat, tour -- it's what I do. :)
2008-04-14 11:14 < TheWeasel> Judges have a duty to not make surprise decisions.
2008-04-14 11:14 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Jury Nullification is not supposed to be a systematic recourse. Its supposed to allow for exceptions to the law in the case of exceptional circumstances.
2008-04-14 11:14 < TheWeasel> (the ECHR says so)
2008-04-14 11:15 < nsh> all stupid laws are exceptional circumstances
2008-04-14 11:15 < TheWeasel> I already dislike Fair Use and presidential pardons :-D
2008-04-14 11:15 < TheWeasel> not to mention IAR
2008-04-14 11:16 < TheWeasel> heh, choosing not to apply stupid laws makes you powerful.
2008-04-14 11:16 < Leslie_S> nsh: we have a lot of stupid laws too. :P
2008-04-14 11:16 < nsh> the people are supposed to be powerful
2008-04-14 11:16 * nsh smiles
2008-04-14 11:16 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Well, you change judges here too by applying for a change of venue.
2008-04-14 11:16 < TheWeasel> people who preach judicial restraint shouldn't really go there :-)
2008-04-14 11:16 < Leslie_S> atleast 50% of our laws suck. however, sucky laws are repealed often, but not often enough. :D
2008-04-14 11:16 < TheWeasel> Populist legislation always sucks.
2008-04-14 11:17 < TheWeasel> It always creates unexpected hardships
2008-04-14 11:17 < quanticle> Leslie_S: What do you mean? Laws are almost never repealed in the States.
2008-04-14 11:17 < TheWeasel> quanticle: It worked for Silvio.
2008-04-14 11:17 < Leslie_S> quanticle im not saying it happens every day, but its sorta common.
2008-04-14 11:17 < nsh> TheWeasel, jury nullification is not populist legislation, of course
2008-04-14 11:17 < TheWeasel> quanticle: Sunset clause?
2008-04-14 11:17 < Jaqen> quanticle: in Italy neither, we just put new laws
2008-04-14 11:17 < TheWeasel> no
2008-04-14 11:17 < nsh> i've never encountered a case where jury nullification has created a law :-)
2008-04-14 11:17 < nsh> it's for pruning the crap that "representative" accrues
2008-04-14 11:18 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Since when? I have not heard of a single prominent piece of legislation being repealed in living memory.
2008-04-14 11:18 < TheWeasel> American jurisdiction is one of the most complex legal issues I've ever come across.
2008-04-14 11:18 < Leslie_S> quanticle Police scanners in automobiles owned by normal people who have no reasonable right for it.
2008-04-14 11:18 < cimon> hi an actual wikipedia editing question...
2008-04-14 11:18 < nsh> whoa
2008-04-14 11:18 < quanticle> TheWeasel: You mean the jurisdictional interaction between the federal judiciary and the state judiciary?
2008-04-14 11:19 < quanticle> cimon: Sure. Go ahead.
2008-04-14 11:19 < TheWeasel> yea, and in interstate cases.
2008-04-14 11:19 < nsh> sure you don't want to argue about legal issues you don't understandinate or comprehendify, cimon?
2008-04-14 11:19 < cimon> on a disambiguation page, is it the right thing to mention that a book was chosen by Oprah as book of the month... Isn't kind of incidental to a disambiguation page...
2008-04-14 11:20 * TheWeasel 's graspization is impeccabilitudinous
2008-04-14 11:20 < Leslie_S> quanticle Essentially, they made it legal for criminals to use police scanners in automobiles.
2008-04-14 11:20 < zocky> cimon, ex-ter-mi-nate, ex-ter-mi-nate
2008-04-14 11:20 < TheWeasel> cimon: Indeed it is.
2008-04-14 11:20 < quanticle> cimon: Yeah. I'd say that's superfluous.
2008-04-14 11:20 < Leslie_S> quanticle which is pretty stupid....
2008-04-14 11:21 < Leslie_S> There is no reason for any normal person to have a police scanner in their car, unless they are committing a crime.
2008-04-14 11:21 < TheWeasel> Leslie_S: I'm sure there's some place in the law that says you get a higher sentence if you abused it for a crime.
2008-04-14 11:21 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Or, to put a more positive spin on it, they allowed ordinary people to see what the cops are doing, helping prevent incidents of racial profiling.
2008-04-14 11:21 < Leslie_S> TheWeasel probably, but why should it be allowed at all?
2008-04-14 11:21 < Leslie_S> quanticle hmm.
2008-04-14 11:21 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Sure there is. You could simply be interested in police procedure.
2008-04-14 11:21 < TheWeasel> Because things should be allowed first and banned second.
2008-04-14 11:21 < Leslie_S> Anyway, my brother got busted for this one time. it was really stupid.
2008-04-14 11:21 < cimon> yup, it sort of seemed like an advertisement to me...
2008-04-14 11:21 < Leslie_S> Basically, his kid liked the blinky lights on it, and it was battery operated
2008-04-14 11:21 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I think that banning tech. based on what people *could* do with it is stupid.
2008-04-14 11:21 < Leslie_S> so he let him play with it in the car.
2008-04-14 11:22 < TheWeasel> They're definitely illegal here.
2008-04-14 11:22 < Leslie_S> quanticle but is it really reasonable to have it in a car?
2008-04-14 11:22 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-04-14 11:22 < TheWeasel> it depends on whether there's a reasonable legal use
2008-04-14 11:22 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Sure. It could facilitate community policing efforts.
2008-04-14 11:22 < Leslie_S> quanticle hmm. maybe.
2008-04-14 11:23 < Leslie_S> Also, some states have repealed sodomy laws.
2008-04-14 11:23 < TheWeasel> community policing = vigilantism?
2008-04-14 11:23 < Leslie_S> Which.....they have no right to make laws about, really.
2008-04-14 11:23 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Ah. Yes. I was overlooking those.
2008-04-14 11:23 < TheWeasel> You don't have to repeal a law put out of force by the SCOTUS.
2008-04-14 11:23 < Leslie_S> TheWeasel its been officially repealed in several states though
2008-04-14 11:23 < TheWeasel> (at least not here)
2008-04-14 11:23 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-04-14 11:24 < Leslie_S> So...should i take advantage of my right to put a police scanner in my car?
2008-04-14 11:24 < TheWeasel> If you want one...
2008-04-14 11:24 < Leslie_S> Or are they going to pull me over for something silly and normal, and use it as a reason to give me shit?
2008-04-14 11:24 < TheWeasel> no.
2008-04-14 11:24 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Yeah. If the law has been ruled unconstitutional, the offending portions of the legislation are automatically struck. No need to repeal it formally.
2008-04-14 11:24 < Leslie_S> Really, any law i might break would have little to do with a police scanner.
2008-04-14 11:24 < TheWeasel> unless there's some freak coincidence that makes you suspicious of other things.
2008-04-14 11:25 < Leslie_S> TheWeasel hmm. thats kind of awesome.
2008-04-14 11:25 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Yeah. Sure. If you want to exercise your new rights, why not? :)
2008-04-14 11:25 < TheWeasel> GO BUY ONE NOW
2008-04-14 11:25 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-04-14 11:25 < kmccoy> Leslie_S, did you recently get an amateur radio license?
2008-04-14 11:25 < Leslie_S> kmccoy no. why?
2008-04-14 11:26 < quanticle> kmccoy: I know that NotACow was studying for one.
2008-04-14 11:26 < Leslie_S> kmccoy I still want one, but ive wanted one for over 10 years.....im probably going to try to get one by the end of the year, though.
2008-04-14 11:26 < quanticle> Speaking of whom, where is the nonbovine, anyway?
2008-04-14 11:26 < Leslie_S> kmccoy so...you're into amatuer radio?
2008-04-14 11:26 < kmccoy> Leslie_S, ah, I thought that was the context of your remarks. In some states (Minnesota is the one I know), having such a license makes it legal to have a scanner in your car.
2008-04-14 11:26 < bluefoxicy> the hell is with girls
2008-04-14 11:26 < bluefoxicy> they never seem to want to talk to me :(
2008-04-14 11:26 * TheWeasel causes lulz in air traffic control
2008-04-14 11:26 < kmccoy> quanticle, and she succeeded, actually.
2008-04-14 11:26 < TheWeasel> Not really.
2008-04-14 11:26 < Leslie_S> kmccoy its universally legal here as far as i know
2008-04-14 11:26 < bluefoxicy> unless there's some kind of late-breaking news
2008-04-14 11:27 < bluefoxicy> OMG I GOT A NEW BASS
2008-04-14 11:27 < bluefoxicy> OMG I NEED TO GET LAID
2008-04-14 11:27 < bluefoxicy> etc etc
2008-04-14 11:27 < Chetblong> O_O
2008-04-14 11:27 < bluefoxicy> if I try to talk to them and they don't WANT SOMETHING or HAVE GOSSIP, they don't want to talk to me at all <_<
2008-04-14 11:27 < quanticle> kmccoy: Having a radio license makes it illegal for you to have police scanner in your car?
2008-04-14 11:27 < TheWeasel> You're sure to, now that you've got A NEW BASS.
2008-04-14 11:27 < Leslie_S> kmccoy to be honest, id probably buy one of those fancy scanners that scans everything you might ever want to scan, and listen to stuff like air traffic control
2008-04-14 11:27 < Leslie_S> kmccoy but hey, are you knowledgable about antennas
2008-04-14 11:27 < kmccoy> Leslie_S, I'm not really into it. I have a handheld that I keep for emergency purposes. I mostly got my license as a way of learning about RF a bit more to help me with my job.
2008-04-14 11:28 < quanticle> kmccoy: Oh. *legal*, not illegal.
2008-04-14 11:28 < kmccoy> quanticle, it makes it legal.
2008-04-14 11:28 * quanticle can't read
2008-04-14 11:28 < kmccoy> :)
2008-04-14 11:28 < Leslie_S> kmccoy i have a simple inverted v antenna i mounted on my apartment balcony, under the eaves on a V shaped roof.
2008-04-14 11:28 < kmccoy> Leslie_S, not terribly so. I know the basics. I've forgotten a lot of stuff from when I got my license.
2008-04-14 11:29 < Leslie_S> kmccoy its for a CB. is it possible to easily make it convertable for other bands? :o
2008-04-14 11:29 < kmccoy> Leslie_S, the effectiveness of an antenna in a certain band is mostly a function of its length, iirc.
2008-04-14 11:29 * TheWeasel spends money on a pork barrel
2008-04-14 11:29 < kmccoy> What other bands are you wanting to make it effective for?
2008-04-14 11:30 * TheWeasel wants to run a fake numbers station
2008-04-14 11:31 * zocky wants a float::isRandom() method
2008-04-14 11:31 < Working_Cat> IS random?
2008-04-14 11:32 < Leslie_S> kmccoy Im not sure. but, im mostly talking about a way to easily adjust the length. :o
2008-04-14 11:32 * TheWeasel thinks floats aren't random
2008-04-14 11:32 < zocky> yeah, it tells you whether a number is random
2008-04-14 11:32 < Working_Cat> floats are poorly made yes - most of them atleast - but not random
2008-04-14 11:32 < Leslie_S> and also, how can i check if theres water in the speaker wires that the antenna is made of? i forgot to seal the tips, but i cant be sure if water got into them. if there is water in them, will it actually dry out?
2008-04-14 11:32 < Leslie_S> and heh, i accidently keyed without an antenna a few minutes ago. :(
2008-04-14 11:32 < Werdna> whoa, ThatGuyThatShow stillexists
2008-04-14 11:33 < kmccoy> I'm not really sure about any of that.
2008-04-14 11:33 < TheWeasel> why wouldn't he
2008-04-14 11:34 * TheWeasel goes back to his home of Here Be Dragons
2008-04-14 11:34 < Leslie_S> kmccoy and i really hope the heat doesnt damage the antenna when i put a grill out there. :/
2008-04-14 11:36 < Werdna> zocky: seen the xkcd comic?
2008-04-14 11:36 < zocky> not yet
2008-04-14 11:37 < Working_Cat> Werdna: thanks for the reminder
2008-04-14 11:37 < zocky> hehe
2008-04-14 11:37 * Cream huggles everyone
2008-04-14 11:37 < Werdna> zocky: I mean the one from a while ago
2008-04-14 11:38 < zocky> Werdna, ah, but the one today is also funny (and somewhat on topic)
2008-04-14 11:38 < zocky> Werdna, which one?
2008-04-14 11:39 < Cream> hi Werdna
2008-04-14 11:39 < Cream> hmm
2008-04-14 11:39 < Working_Cat> zocky: IsRandom(){if (this.value==4) return true; return false;}
2008-04-14 11:39 < Werdna> hi Cream
2008-04-14 11:39 < zocky> haha
2008-04-14 11:39 < Werdna> http://xkcd.com/221/
2008-04-14 11:39 < Working_Cat> Werdna: you were talking bout the reverse of that one werent you
2008-04-14 11:39 < Werdna> Working_Cat: yes :_
2008-04-14 11:40 < Working_Cat> heh, i win
2008-04-14 11:40 < zocky> Working_Cat, how about if (this.value)=Math.rand() ?
2008-04-14 11:40 < zocky> Werdna, hehe
2008-04-14 11:40 < Working_Cat> zocky: my method is faster
2008-04-14 11:40 < zocky> Working_Cat, true
2008-04-14 11:41 < Working_Cat> also, your code ASSIGNS the random value
2008-04-14 11:41 < Werdna> not ifhe'susing visual basic :P
2008-04-14 11:41 < Working_Cat> moreover, given SOME float, how is it even relevant if its random or not
2008-04-14 11:41 * Working_Cat is using VB6 at the moment :S
2008-04-14 11:42 < Werdna> RHETORICAL QUESTIONS ARE NOT PROPOSITIONS
2008-04-14 11:42 < Werdna> it does not make sense to say "Because <rhetorical question>"
2008-04-14 11:42 < Working_Cat> CAPS LOCK ARE NOT COOL
2008-04-14 11:43 < Werdna> or "moreover, <rhetorical question>"
2008-04-14 11:43 < Working_Cat> Werdna: it wasnt rhetorical
2008-04-14 11:43 < Fou-Lu> lol gay.pl
2008-04-14 11:43 < Cream> lol
2008-04-14 11:43 < Cream> it's a fun script
2008-04-14 11:43 < ThatGuyFTS> WHY NOT?
2008-04-14 11:43 < Fou-Lu> yeah
2008-04-14 11:43 * Working_Cat smacks Werdna over the head with some reality
2008-04-14 11:44 < Fou-Lu> Cream: I just wish they had cream.mrc
2008-04-14 11:44 < Fou-Lu> erm
2008-04-14 11:44 < Fou-Lu> gay.mrc
2008-04-14 11:44 < Cream> I have it
2008-04-14 11:44 < Cream> for irssi
2008-04-14 11:48 < zocky> even i my code assigns the random value it is as correct as if it compared the value to it
2008-04-14 11:49 < zocky> *if
2008-04-14 11:51 < Drunken_Idiot> hi
2008-04-14 11:51 * Werdna arrests Drunken_Idiot
2008-04-14 11:51 < Werdna> dammit
2008-04-14 11:52 < HumayunMirzajr> Um thats how you welcome me back?
2008-04-14 11:52 < Werdna> yep.
2008-04-14 11:52 * Werdna takes ThatGuy from ThatShow