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2008-04-14 02:34 < Mask> zomg i get it!
2008-04-14 02:34 < bumm13> \o/
2008-04-14 02:34 < Mask> the toothpaste one
2008-04-14 02:34 < bumm13> yup
2008-04-14 02:35 < Mask> the kirby one is dumb
2008-04-14 02:35 < bumm13> aww
2008-04-14 02:35 < Krimpet> Mask: t(^-^t) :p
2008-04-14 02:35 < Mask> SRSLY guise, someone needs to get rid of the FOUR YEAR OLD massive copyvio
2008-04-14 02:35 < Mask> i cant believe this stayed up so long
2008-04-14 02:36 < bumm13> I'm sure it's not the only one
2008-04-14 02:36 < Mask> no one even sourced the article. And i bet if they did, someone wouldve noticed
2008-04-14 02:36 < Mask> thats absurd
2008-04-14 02:36 < Mask> were lazy
2008-04-14 02:37 < bumm13> it's Sunday (well, was)
2008-04-14 02:37 < Rockfang> hi all.
2008-04-14 02:37 < bumm13> hi
2008-04-14 02:37 < Rockfang> Is anyone here familiar with Template:VG Reviews?
2008-04-14 02:37 * Krimpet reclines and tosses a cherry in her mouth
2008-04-14 02:37 < Rockfang> it has style="float: {{{align|right}}};
2008-04-14 02:37 < Mask> bumm13, i meant sourceing, not in getting rid of the copyvio, theres probably a thousand revisions to be deleted, im not expecting immediate, just prompt
2008-04-14 02:38 < Rockfang> i want to override that in a certain article. how do i do that?
2008-04-14 02:38 < bumm13> oh dear, templates
2008-04-14 02:38 < Mask> Rockfang, subst it, then edit the code on the page
2008-04-14 02:38 < MZMcBride> Ack.
2008-04-14 02:38 < Rockfang> i will try that now. thanks. brb
2008-04-14 02:39 < Krimpet> Rockfang: what do you want to override it to?
2008-04-14 02:39 < MZMcBride> No, don't do that, Rockfang.
2008-04-14 02:39 < Rockfang> lol ok. i want it to just go to the left side
2008-04-14 02:39 < MZMcBride> Then use |align=left
2008-04-14 02:39 < Krimpet> Rockfang: {{VG Reviews|align=left}}
2008-04-14 02:39 < Rockfang> ill try that. brb.
2008-04-14 02:40 < Mask> whoa, cool argunment to pass on. I had no idea templates allowed that
2008-04-14 02:40 * Mask bows to template wizards
2008-04-14 02:43 < Rockfang> ok...that got it on the left side, but the next section starts to the middle right of the box. how can i set it up so the next section starts below the box on a new line?
2008-04-14 02:44 < MZMcBride> {{clear}}
2008-04-14 02:44 < Rockfang> thanks. will try that
2008-04-14 02:46 < Rockfang> you rule. :) that worked perfectly.
2008-04-14 02:46 < Rockfang> never knew about {{clear}}
2008-04-14 02:52 < MZMcBride> :)
2008-04-14 02:53 < bumm13> roffle
2008-04-14 02:53 < Rockfang> abuse of quit reasons? :)
2008-04-14 02:54 < bumm13> yes, actually
2008-04-14 02:54 < bumm13> posting offensive/inane text in his /quit messages
2008-04-14 02:54 < Rockfang> my quit reason is "i hate dumb people". is it ok?
2008-04-14 02:54 < bumm13> works for me
2008-04-14 02:54 < Rockfang> cool
2008-04-14 02:55 < Rockfang> i get a lot of help here and would rather not get banned hehe
2008-04-14 02:55 < Mask> Rockfang, its neigh on impossible to get banned her
2008-04-14 02:56 < Mask> e
2008-04-14 02:56 < Mask> you have to be a ajor ass
2008-04-14 02:56 < Mask> major
2008-04-14 02:56 < Mask> i cant type
2008-04-14 02:56 < Mask> forgive me
2008-04-14 02:56 < Rockfang> hehe...understood
2008-04-14 02:56 < bumm13> he was a recurring problem
2008-04-14 02:57 < Rockfang> ah
2008-04-14 02:58 < Werdna> what did he actually put in his quit reasons?
2008-04-14 02:59 < bumm13> I couldn't say, my logs were recently destroyed ;p
2008-04-14 02:59 < Mask> bumm13, zomg no public logging, you cant tell!!!
2008-04-14 02:59 < bumm13> they were private :)
2008-04-14 03:00 < Rockfang> lol
2008-04-14 03:00 < bumm13> (actually, all my files were destroyed ;p )
2008-04-14 03:00 < Mask> and this 'what if mask were a policy wonk?' moment brought to you by wont an admin please get rid of the four year old copyvio, please? foundation
2008-04-14 03:01 * bumm13 is glad for having fairly-complete archives
2008-04-14 03:36 * Lucifer_Cat is pissed at having NP Complete problems
2008-04-14 03:51 < Adamfinmo> Does anyone know how to change the color of a wikilink in a userbox?
2008-04-14 04:13 < Mike_H> Who did that?
2008-04-14 04:13 < The359> owned
2008-04-14 04:13 < Mike_H> And why?
2008-04-14 04:16 < OverlordQ> rofl?
2008-04-14 04:16 < Mike_H> OverlordQ: no, :<<<
2008-04-14 04:18 < OverlordQ> *shrug*
2008-04-14 04:19 < Mike_H> you dun curr
2008-04-14 04:19 * Mike_H cries
2008-04-14 04:19 < Mike_H> :<<<
2008-04-14 04:19 < OverlordQ> wuh?
2008-04-14 04:22 < bumm13> here's a webpage stuck in the Internet's Stone Age of web design -- http://bton.com/
2008-04-14 04:26 < AdamBishop> " Est. 1994"
2008-04-14 04:26 < AdamBishop> no kidding
2008-04-14 04:28 < OverlordQ> Mike_H: looks like hes fixed now
2008-04-14 04:28 < Mike_H> :o
2008-04-14 04:31 < Lady_Aleena> Is there anyone here from the WikProject Albums?
2008-04-14 04:32 < Lady_Aleena> I would like to know if there is a naming convention for soundtracks.
2008-04-14 04:32 < AdamBishop> James Earl Jones' daughter's name is Shaquonique
2008-04-14 04:32 < AdamBishop> there are too many Qs in that name
2008-04-14 04:39 < Werdna> 08:21 < Werdna> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fcuknpauly
2008-04-14 04:39 < Werdna> 08:21 < Werdna> {{usernameblock}} kthx
2008-04-14 04:39 < Werdna> 08:22 < Werdna> selfpromotion by the looks (look at recent edits)
2008-04-14 04:39 < Mike_H> Werdna: Cross-promotion!
2008-04-14 04:40 < Werdna> ah, somebody got it
2008-04-14 04:40 < Werdna> :P
2008-04-14 04:40 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-04-14 04:41 < Lady_Aleena> Why do I even try?
2008-04-14 04:41 < Werdna> try what?
2008-04-14 04:43 < JessicaTaylor> Hello everyone
2008-04-14 04:43 < Werdna> hi
2008-04-14 04:43 < Lady_Aleena> To get the attention of anyone with similar interests as I mine. Currently I am trying to build a list of (my favorite) media franchises in my user space to help a WikiProject out and to hopefully further my cause in the naming of user categories to the shorter "who like" instead of "interested in".
2008-04-14 04:44 * Lubaf wonders when Mario Golf for the DS will come out.
2008-04-14 04:45 < Lady_Aleena> One of the things that I need to know is if there is a naming convention for soundtracks. I checked WikiProject Albums, but they don't get that specific.
2008-04-14 04:45 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-04-14 04:45 < Lubaf> What's new in Drama?
2008-04-14 04:46 < Lady_Aleena> Law & Order: London (2009)
2008-04-14 04:46 < Lady_Aleena> Paris enquêtes criminelles (2007)
2008-04-14 04:47 < Lady_Aleena> Both Law & Order franchise series.
2008-04-14 04:48 < AdamBishop> I like when French translations of TV shows are rather more literal than the English version
2008-04-14 04:48 < Lady_Aleena> Anyone else here a media nut?
2008-04-14 04:48 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: Loi et ordre?
2008-04-14 04:49 < AdamBishop> ER is "Urgences", "emergencies"
2008-04-14 04:49 < Lubaf> Lady_Aleena: When's John Munch going to be in L&O:London?
2008-04-14 04:49 < Lady_Aleena> Lubaf: I haven't heard anything yet.
2008-04-14 04:49 < Mike_H> Lubaf: He always is, you know.
2008-04-14 04:50 < Lubaf> Mike_H: Thus, my question.
2008-04-14 04:51 < Lady_Aleena> I still need confirmation that John Munch will appear in Paris enquêtes criminelles.
2008-04-14 04:51 < Lady_Aleena> I can't find a reliable source anywhere.
2008-04-14 04:54 < Lady_Aleena> I killed the conversation again, just great. *sigh*
2008-04-14 04:54 < Mike_H> At least you tried.
2008-04-14 04:54 < Lady_Aleena> I wish that I had at least one other person to help me put this great big list together for the project.
2008-04-14 04:56 < Lady_Aleena> I am losing steam again.
2008-04-14 04:59 * The359 throws coal at Lady_Aleena
2008-04-14 05:00 < Lady_Aleena> The359: Does that mean that you may be willing to help?
2008-04-14 05:00 < The359> no
2008-04-14 05:00 < The359> I just like to injure people
2008-04-14 05:00 < Lycurgus> lol
2008-04-14 05:01 < The359> http://www.endurance-info.com/2008_Divers/00_HTTT_TrottetRacing_02.jpg LOL, I can't help but laugh at this picture
2008-04-14 05:01 < Lycurgus> wait was that funny?
2008-04-14 05:01 < The359> "Funny, right?"
2008-04-14 05:01 < Lycurgus> don
2008-04-14 05:01 < Lycurgus> t ask me
2008-04-14 05:01 * The359 was captioning the image
2008-04-14 05:01 < The359> but yes, I was trying to be funny
2008-04-14 05:02 < Lycurgus> i have a hard time with hooman humour sometimes
2008-04-14 05:02 < Lycurgus> programming sarcasm would be a long way toward AI
2008-04-14 05:03 < Lady_Aleena> It isn't all that funny to me. I would really like to get some help, but no one seems to want to help me get anything off the ground these days. I keep getting cut to shreds at every turn.
2008-04-14 05:03 < Lycurgus> since it presumes NLU
2008-04-14 05:03 < The359> go ask some people in the TV WikiProject?
2008-04-14 05:03 < Lycurgus> what is you want to do?
2008-04-14 05:04 < Lycurgus> To get the attention of anyone with similar interests as I mine. Currently I am trying to build a list of (my favorite) media franchises in my user space to help a WikiProject out and to hopefully further my cause in the naming of user categories to the shorter "who like" instead of "interested in".
2008-04-14 05:04 < Lycurgus> that ?
2008-04-14 05:04 < Lady_Aleena> 1. I would like to get the following article into article space, but it seems that everyone who has read it seems to think that it is OR when it is not. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Television/Crossovers)
2008-04-14 05:05 < Lycurgus> if so it's the " (my favorite) media franchises " you ....
2008-04-14 05:06 < Lycurgus> well original research is a simple objective criterion
2008-04-14 05:06 < The359> Is it solely crossovers with I Love Lucy?
2008-04-14 05:06 < Lycurgus> unlike notability
2008-04-14 05:06 < The359> or any crossover on telvision
2008-04-14 05:06 < Lycurgus> if you can source it it isn't original
2008-04-14 05:06 < Lycurgus> if you can't it is.
2008-04-14 05:06 < Lady_Aleena> 2. I would like to see a reversal of the collaboration noose on user categories in especially when it has to do with media and genre user category. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion/Genre_and_media_categories)
2008-04-14 05:07 < Lady_Aleena> Lycurgus: I got a lot of those from a site called Poobala, and the rest from a site that has to do with the Tommy Westphall hypothosis.
2008-04-14 05:08 < Lycurgus> you the english speaking peoples are a little prickly these days about their inability to deal with certain issues. Perhaps the wiki in your native language would be more receptive.
2008-04-14 05:08 < Lady_Aleena> The359: The article is about all of the series which are part of the same shared reality starting with I Love Lucy, so sort of yes.
2008-04-14 05:09 < Lady_Aleena> 2a. What is wrong with a user category saying "I like this" instead of "I am interested in this."
2008-04-14 05:10 < Lycurgus> neither would be encyclopaedic
2008-04-14 05:10 < Lycurgus> who gives a fuck what you're interested in?
2008-04-14 05:10 < The359> exactly
2008-04-14 05:10 < The359> we're not MySpace
2008-04-14 05:10 < Lady_Aleena> Lycurgus: These are user categories, not article categories.
2008-04-14 05:10 < Lycurgus> doesn't matter
2008-04-14 05:10 < The359> it's bad enough people have a shitload of userboxes for useless stuff
2008-04-14 05:10 < Lycurgus> user interests belong in user space
2008-04-14 05:10 < Lycurgus> not mainspace
2008-04-14 05:11 < Lady_Aleena> So, Wikipedia is still a community which usually tend to form social circles based on similar likes and dislikes.
2008-04-14 05:11 < OverlordQ> I only got like 30 user boxes :P
2008-04-14 05:11 * The359 has 11, and they only cover language, location, GA/DYKs, and WikiProjects
2008-04-14 05:11 < Lady_Aleena> OverlordQ: And they are all probably relagated to user space like unwanted step-children.
2008-04-14 05:12 < The359> Categories aren't user space
2008-04-14 05:12 < OverlordQ> Lady_Aleena: some
2008-04-14 05:13 < Lycurgus> sorry this is causing you anomie LA
2008-04-14 05:13 < Lycurgus> but you're not getting what wiki is about
2008-04-14 05:13 < OverlordQ> about split 50-50 with User:UBX mainspace
2008-04-14 05:13 < Lycurgus> it's not a social site at all
2008-04-14 05:13 < The359> if you want to talk to people who share a similar writing interest
2008-04-14 05:14 < Lady_Aleena> Lycurgus: It is about a group of people who gather to edit articles by consensus which is reached by like minded individuals.
2008-04-14 05:14 < OverlordQ> well not mainspace, but in the Template namespace
2008-04-14 05:14 < The359> There's Wikiprojects for that
2008-04-14 05:14 < Lycurgus> the encyclopaedic mission, even as ineptly pursued as it is in wiki, naturally works against this
2008-04-14 05:14 < Lycurgus> no, not by "like minded individuals" that's 100% wrong
2008-04-14 05:15 < Lady_Aleena> The359: I think that WikiProjects are waining. Several of the ones I am in are barely alive.
2008-04-14 05:15 < Lycurgus> rather by rules it has established
2008-04-14 05:15 < The359> uh
2008-04-14 05:15 < The359> and what WikiProjects are those?
2008-04-14 05:15 * The359 knows WikiProjects that get at least 1 new discussion every day
2008-04-14 05:15 < Lady_Aleena> Almost all of the ones on my WikiProject's page.
2008-04-14 05:15 < Lycurgus> yes but as fucked up as it I'd rather see it stay as it is than become a congress of circles of "like minded individuals"
2008-04-14 05:16 < nsh> Jesus, there's a lot of stupid in the world
2008-04-14 05:16 < nsh> :-/
2008-04-14 05:16 < The359> that doesn't really answer it for me, Lady_Aleena
2008-04-14 05:16 < The359> Since I'm not camping out on you user page
2008-04-14 05:16 * Lady_Aleena wonders if the article on Light sabers is still longer than the one on the Printing press.
2008-04-14 05:16 < Lycurgus> groups of individuals with expertise in specific areas would be good but that's hardly the same thing
2008-04-14 05:17 < The359> Lady Aleena, you're writing an article on thin crossovers with I Love Lucy
2008-04-14 05:17 < The359> I don't think you're in a position to complain about where emphasis is laid
2008-04-14 05:17 < Lady_Aleena> The359: That tid-bit was something that I found amusing. :)
2008-04-14 05:18 < Lady_Aleena> I am also fasinated by crossovers in television and film.
2008-04-14 05:18 < Lady_Aleena> And I don't think I spelled fasinated right. It just doesn't look it.
2008-04-14 05:19 < OverlordQ> fascinated i think
2008-04-14 05:19 < The359> point is the article on lightsaber can be longer
2008-04-14 05:19 < The359> it has no relevence to quality
2008-04-14 05:20 < Lycurgus> nsh: stupid is relative. Someone may (justly) consider you stupid from the standpoint of their superior intellect.
2008-04-14 05:20 < Lady_Aleena> In the last 24 hours I found out that there was a third film In The Heat of the Night film series.
2008-04-14 05:21 < Lycurgus> it's more constructive to show how specific behaviors, attitudes, and positions are stupid
2008-04-14 05:21 < Lady_Aleena> Also, working on my favorite franchises is introducing me to all of those articles which might need tiny minor edits here and there.
2008-04-14 05:22 < Lycurgus> that calling the people who hold them stupid which is both useless and technically incorrect unless the individuals in question have known objectively identified cognitive problems as for instance with the MR
2008-04-14 05:22 < Lycurgus> *that and
2008-04-14 05:23 < Lady_Aleena> I think I am going to go to the living room and veg before I go bed. I can't sleep well when stewing on an issue.
2008-04-14 05:23 < Lady_Aleena> The359: My WikiProjects' page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/WikiProjects).
2008-04-14 05:24 < Lycurgus> but yeah, the smarter you get, the stupider everybody else seems
2008-04-14 05:24 < Lycurgus> then you die
2008-04-14 05:24 < Lycurgus> very very happily.
2008-04-14 05:27 < Lycurgus> nobody who really had it apparently looses sex appeal though. Does that help?
2008-04-14 05:28 < Lycurgus> i know it does me cuz a world of stupid orcs would be utterly intolerable
2008-04-14 05:30 * Lady_Aleena waves to everyone as she leaves to veg.
2008-04-14 05:30 * Mike_H NP: Bee Gees - (Our Love) Don't Throw It All Away (1978)
2008-04-14 05:32 < nsh> Lycurgus, diaf
2008-04-14 05:32 < Mike_H> nsh, ilu.
2008-04-14 05:33 * bumm13 needs to go grocery shopping :x
2008-04-14 05:34 < goodspeed> hi
2008-04-14 05:34 * nsh tips hat, returns to reading about ridiculous "visual sexual aggression" laws
2008-04-14 05:34 < Chris_G> Hello TheLetterE
2008-04-14 05:34 < Lycurgus> diaf?
2008-04-14 05:34 < Mike_H> Die
2008-04-14 05:34 < Mike_H> in
2008-04-14 05:34 < Mike_H> a
2008-04-14 05:34 < Mike_H> Fire
2008-04-14 05:34 < Mike_H> DIAF
2008-04-14 05:34 < goodspeed> ?
2008-04-14 05:34 < Mike_H> goodspeed: he asked
2008-04-14 05:35 < goodspeed> deaf? he meant?
2008-04-14 05:35 < Lycurgus> mei guo renese idiocy goodspeed, pay it no mind.
2008-04-14 05:35 < Mike_H> no.
2008-04-14 05:36 < TheLetterE> Chris_G: Heyy, great job with the bot.
2008-04-14 05:36 < The359> thank god we have nsh
2008-04-14 05:36 < Chris_G> thank you
2008-04-14 05:36 < The359> Us poor simpletons
2008-04-14 05:37 < The359> Would be lost without his superior intellect
2008-04-14 05:37 < bumm13> hiya Mike_H
2008-04-14 05:38 < goodspeed> what's new in wp?
2008-04-14 05:40 < Lycurgus> The358: yes the user page made that clear.
2008-04-14 05:40 < Lycurgus> nothing could more clearly delineate the difference between "smart" and "good"
2008-04-14 05:43 < Mike_H> bumm13: hi
2008-04-14 05:43 < Mike_H> goodspeed: nothing, is there anything new really?
2008-04-14 06:04 < frikipedista6265> wikipedia is a shit
2008-04-14 06:05 < Werdna> cheers.
2008-04-14 06:05 < Werdna> Mike_H: mind giving me ops in here, btw?
2008-04-14 06:06 < Mike_H> Werdna: I can't give them to you permanently
2008-04-14 06:06 < TheLetterE> Werdna: I'd support you, ask Mark Ryan
2008-04-14 06:06 < Mike_H> I only have 10.
2008-04-14 06:06 < TheLetterE> Mark does the stuff.
2008-04-14 06:06 < Werdna> I shall PM here
2008-04-14 06:06 < Werdna> him*
2008-04-14 06:06 < TheLetterE> Great
2008-04-14 06:06 < Mike_H> you called him a her
2008-04-14 06:06 < Mike_H> lulz
2008-04-14 06:06 < TheLetterE> :O
2008-04-14 06:06 < TheLetterE> lol
2008-04-14 06:06 < Werdna> no, I said here
2008-04-14 06:06 < Mike_H> her, here
2008-04-14 06:06 < Mike_H> potato, potahto
2008-04-14 06:06 < TheLetterE> :|
2008-04-14 06:06 < Werdna> who says potahto
2008-04-14 06:07 < Werdna> srsly
2008-04-14 06:07 < Mike_H> fancy people
2008-04-14 06:07 < Mike_H> that's who
2008-04-14 06:07 < Mike_H> I ate the last of the brownies and I'm so hungry D:
2008-04-14 06:08 < Werdna> Mike_H: send me some
2008-04-14 06:08 < Mike_H> Werdna: I ate them all :<
2008-04-14 06:08 < Mike_H> I love the song "Seasons of Love"
2008-04-14 06:08 < Mike_H> <3
2008-04-14 06:08 < Werdna> Mike_H: I DON'T CARE
2008-04-14 06:08 < Werdna> SEND THEM
2008-04-14 06:08 < Werdna> NOW
2008-04-14 06:09 * Mike_H sends Werdna 525,600 minutes
2008-04-14 06:11 < Mike_H> Werdna: I hope that was enough
2008-04-14 06:11 < Werdna> Mike_H: that's not quite a mean tropical year.
2008-04-14 06:11 < Mike_H> Werdna: How about
2008-04-14 06:11 < Mike_H> loooooooooooooooooove?
2008-04-14 06:15 < Mike_H> Magen Leigh Ellis (born October 11, 1986) is a beauty queen from Houston, Texas who has competed in the Miss Teen USA pageant and competed for the title Miss USA 2007 where she placed in the top 10. Ellis is one of only four Miss Texas Teen USA titleholders to also win Miss Texas USA.
2008-04-14 06:15 < Mike_H> ugh
2008-04-14 06:15 < Mike_H> who the fuck spells it "Magen"
2008-04-14 06:16 < toresbe> Magen does.
2008-04-14 06:16 < Mike_H> toresbe: Her parents were on crack.
2008-04-14 06:16 < toresbe> Magen means "the stomach" in Norwegian
2008-04-14 06:17 < Mike_H> That's quite the beauty queen name.
2008-04-14 06:17 < Mike_H> I can't wait until our Miss USA is named Anorexia.
2008-04-14 06:17 < Mike_H> At least that'd be truth to advertising.
2008-04-14 06:18 < Mike_H> toresbe: We just had Miss USA last week, we crowned our oldest winner in recent memory
2008-04-14 06:18 < Mike_H> Crystle Stewart (born September 20, 1981) is a beauty queen from Houston, Texas who is Miss USA 2008.[1]
2008-04-14 06:19 < Werdna> 27?
2008-04-14 06:19 < Werdna> wtf
2008-04-14 06:19 < bumm13> that's still younger than me :x
2008-04-14 06:19 < bumm13> 26½
2008-04-14 06:20 < Mike_H> Werdna: 26.
2008-04-14 06:20 * bumm13 is a tad too young to remember late 1981
2008-04-14 06:21 < Mike_H> Werdna: The oldest Miss USA since 1998.
2008-04-14 06:21 < Mike_H> (the one crowned in 1998 was also 26)
2008-04-14 06:22 < Mike_H> Jump to: navigation, search
2008-04-14 06:22 < Mike_H> Shawnae Jebbia (born September 13, 1971) won the Miss USA title in 1998.
2008-04-14 06:24 < Mike_H> Werdna: The 1997 winner was also 26 at the time of coronation.
2008-04-14 06:24 < Lycurgus> "magen" is stomach in german and dutch (maag) also. Prolly all the germanic langs except English.
2008-04-14 06:25 < toresbe> isn't "magen" in German plural?
2008-04-14 06:25 < Mike_H> By comparison...
2008-04-14 06:25 < Mike_H> the current Miss Australia is 18
2008-04-14 06:25 < Mike_H> and the current Miss Norway is 19.
2008-04-14 06:26 < Lycurgus> toresbe: no.
2008-04-14 06:26 < Lycurgus> not everything that ends in -en is a pluralform.
2008-04-14 06:26 < toresbe> i see
2008-04-14 06:27 < Lycurgus> any more than everything that ends is in Engels
2008-04-14 06:28 < Lycurgus> *in s is in
2008-04-14 06:28 < cimon> Mike_H: Magen David is the seal of solomon type but filled in thing...
2008-04-14 06:29 < Werdna> privatemusings: poke
2008-04-14 06:30 < cimon> There was some controversy when they wanted to use the magen david for the jewish variant of the red crescent and red cross...
2008-04-14 06:30 < privatemusings> g'day werdna....
2008-04-14 06:30 < cimon> I forget precisely what the controversy was, maybe some other religious group claiming to hold the six-pointed cross sacred too or summti
2008-04-14 06:30 < cimon> but now they instead have the red lozenge or something...
2008-04-14 06:31 < Mike_H> Oh, hm, one of our old Miss Teen USAs is now on Days of our Lives
2008-04-14 06:31 < Werdna> privatemusings: where's the incorporation meeting?
2008-04-14 06:31 < privatemusings> good question....
2008-04-14 06:31 * privatemusings goes to check....
2008-04-14 06:31 < privatemusings> 20th
2008-04-14 06:31 < privatemusings> 3pm
2008-04-14 06:32 < Werdna> where
2008-04-14 06:33 < privatemusings> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Incorporation/Sydney
2008-04-14 06:33 < privatemusings> no one's really decided on sydney....
2008-04-14 06:35 < Lycurgus> so the australian wp will be seperately incorporated from WMF?
2008-04-14 06:36 < privatemusings> nah - just a chapter
2008-04-14 06:36 < Mike_H> oh, cool
2008-04-14 06:36 < Mike_H> there's a reality show called Pageant Place
2008-04-14 06:36 < Mike_H> where Miss Teen USA, Miss USA and Miss Universe all live in an apartment together
2008-04-14 06:36 < Mike_H> and they tape what they do
2008-04-14 06:37 < Lycurgus> good, a fork in a lang instance would do no good cancelling the benefit of local ownership. Don't know why the other langs don't though.
2008-04-14 06:43 < Lycurgus> that's other the obvious free lunch
2008-04-14 06:43 < Lycurgus> *other than
2008-04-14 06:44 < Lycurgus> provided by monoglots unable to interfere in their wikis
2008-04-14 06:52 < privatemusings> werdna - still here?
2008-04-14 06:54 < Werdna> privatemusings: sure.
2008-04-14 06:54 < privatemusings> so are you interested in an incorporation meeting?
2008-04-14 06:54 < privatemusings> / meetup....
2008-04-14 06:54 < Werdna> yes
2008-04-14 06:54 < privatemusings> d'ya reckon other sydney folk would be?
2008-04-14 06:57 < privatemusings> werdna - I'll spam the talk pages of the sydney folk and see if there's any broader interest.....
2008-04-14 07:12 < privatemusings> werdna - still around? and free on the weekend?
2008-04-14 07:15 < ThePolecat> "...and belongs to the ten most expensive metals on Earth"
2008-04-14 07:15 < ThePolecat> is that good English?
2008-04-14 07:15 < ThePolecat> Sounds Germlish
2008-04-14 07:16 < Mike_H> :o
2008-04-14 07:16 * Mike_H is watching Pageant Place
2008-04-14 07:17 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: This is the best reality show ever
2008-04-14 07:17 < Mike_H> Miss Teen USA, Miss USA and Miss Universe all live in an apartment in New York
2008-04-14 07:17 < Mike_H> drama
2008-04-14 07:17 * ThePolecat notes that nobody answers his question
2008-04-14 07:17 < ThePolecat> hm... enjoy.
2008-04-14 07:17 < Mike_H> wasn't it hypothetical?
2008-04-14 07:18 < Mike_H> you answered it yourself.
2008-04-14 07:18 < ThePolecat> no
2008-04-14 07:18 * ThePolecat will change it then
2008-04-14 07:19 < Messedrocker> :o
2008-04-14 07:19 < Messedrocker> o:
2008-04-14 07:19 < Messedrocker> . .
2008-04-14 07:19 < Messedrocker> o
2008-04-14 07:19 < Messedrocker> damn it
2008-04-14 07:19 < Messedrocker> . .
2008-04-14 07:19 < Messedrocker> o
2008-04-14 07:20 < ThePolecat> now reads "...and is among the ten most..."
2008-04-14 07:20 < ThePolecat> ö
2008-04-14 07:20 < Mike_H> that's better
2008-04-14 07:21 < Messedrocker> ah, i forgot about ö
2008-04-14 07:21 < ThePolecat> in German, some people have the strange habit to mix two forms "...belongs to one of the most expensive..."
2008-04-14 07:21 < Messedrocker> o
2008-04-14 07:21 < Messedrocker> . .
2008-04-14 07:21 < ThePolecat> it's odd
2008-04-14 07:21 < Messedrocker> i did it upside-down!
2008-04-14 07:22 < ThePolecat> Beware The Evil Ö
2008-04-14 07:22 < Mike_H> rofl, Miss Teen USA just burped at Miss Universe's farewell dinner with her sponsors
2008-04-14 07:22 < toresbe> zomg lol.
2008-04-14 07:22 < Mike_H> (Miss Universe is currently from Japan, so you can surmise how well that went down)
2008-04-14 07:23 < ThePolecat> Well, most Japanese folks will stay calm and dignified
2008-04-14 07:25 < Mike_H> one of them got really disturbed by it.
2008-04-14 07:28 < ThePolecat> Disturbed, yea, but too polite to mention
2008-04-14 07:30 < bumm13> Americans bye and large are rather rude
2008-04-14 07:32 < ThePolecat> not true
2008-04-14 07:32 < bumm13> umm, yes, a large number are
2008-04-14 07:32 < ThePolecat> there's a lot of chummyness that is pretty alien to a European
2008-04-14 07:32 < Werdna> sauce plz
2008-04-14 07:33 < Werdna> depends on where you go, and how you judge rudeness
2008-04-14 07:33 < Werdna> new yorkers, in particular, seem rude to Australians, because they refuse to talk to anyone they don't already know (and think you're mentally unstable if you act overly-friendly), they tend to push and shove rather than gently ask for permission, etc, etc
2008-04-14 07:34 < ThePolecat> yea, thats big-city.
2008-04-14 07:34 < Werdna> by the same token, Australians seem rude/weird to new yorkers, because they talk to you inappropriately, and bother them with requests to get past instead of just slipping through.
2008-04-14 07:34 < bumm13> I wasn't talking specifically about New Yorkers
2008-04-14 07:34 < Mike_H> rofl, this is classy
2008-04-14 07:34 < ThePolecat> yea, my friend from the south tried to greet strangers in her hotel aisle here.
2008-04-14 07:35 < Mike_H> Miss Teen USA: I'm taking the trash out to the bench.
2008-04-14 07:35 < Werdna> oh yeah, but an example of differing cultures both seeing each other as rude.
2008-04-14 07:35 < bumm13> there's a definite "all about me" attitude here
2008-04-14 07:35 < ThePolecat> she got odd looks.
2008-04-14 07:35 < Mike_H> Miss USA: Do you know where it's located?
2008-04-14 07:35 < Mike_H> Miss Teen USA: Fuck you.
2008-04-14 07:35 < Mike_H> <3333
2008-04-14 07:35 < bumm13> you and your trash TV :P
2008-04-14 07:37 < ThePolecat> I can only judge the South and they're very friendly if you are (and presumably don't look like a social minority).
2008-04-14 07:37 < bumm13> the South differs that way from the rest of the U.S.
2008-04-14 07:38 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Yes, Southerners routinely make conversation with people they don't know.
2008-04-14 07:38 < Mike_H> My mother can go to the store and talk to like ten women about what they're buying
2008-04-14 07:39 < bumm13> my older sister lives just east of the Minnesota state line (from Duluth) and she says people there are less socialable (sp?) than even Northwesterners :x
2008-04-14 07:39 < ThePolecat> but to call Berlin a rude city is about like calling a hurricane "quite a breeze"
2008-04-14 07:39 < Mike_H> If I were waiting for a bus, I could talk to people waiting with me
2008-04-14 07:39 < Mike_H> unless they were unkempt hobos
2008-04-14 07:39 < Mike_H> then you ignore them
2008-04-14 07:39 < ThePolecat> Exactly my observation up there
2008-04-14 07:39 < bumm13> *sociable
2008-04-14 07:40 < ThePolecat> I remember once getting my trouser leg getting chewed on by some random old guy's dog
2008-04-14 07:40 < ThePolecat> and I told him to maybe pay attention to his dog more
2008-04-14 07:41 < ThePolecat> and he said something like MY DOG IS A FREE DOG. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING HE DOES.
2008-04-14 07:41 < Mike_H> Oh, if that happened here, that person would be laughed at.
2008-04-14 07:41 < ThePolecat> that's what I did.
2008-04-14 07:41 < bumm13> free dog?
2008-04-14 07:41 < ThePolecat> but there are loads of weirdly unpleasant people.
2008-04-14 07:41 < Mike_H> bumm13: City people are stupid
2008-04-14 07:41 < bumm13> did you take him? :-)
2008-04-14 07:41 < Lucifer_Cat> good morning people
2008-04-14 07:41 < Lucifer_Cat> cya later
2008-04-14 07:41 < Mike_H> The only people I would not talk to in Tampa are the hobos.
2008-04-14 07:42 < Mike_H> Because they'll ask you for crack money or something.
2008-04-14 07:42 < ThePolecat> "frei" doesn't have the connotation of no-cost
2008-04-14 07:42 < bumm13> heh, yeah
2008-04-14 07:42 < bumm13> it was a joke
2008-04-14 07:42 < ThePolecat> so there I was, limiting this dog's personality
2008-04-14 07:42 < Mike_H> Hell, the other day a guy talked to me in the checkout line at the supermarket
2008-04-14 07:42 < bumm13> god forbid
2008-04-14 07:42 < Mike_H> because of the shirt I had on
2008-04-14 07:42 < Mike_H> and we talked for like five minutes
2008-04-14 07:42 < bumm13> nobody ever talks to me
2008-04-14 07:43 < Mike_H> The convenience store people know me by name
2008-04-14 07:43 < Lucifer_Cat> bumm13: :(
2008-04-14 07:43 < ThePolecat> they'd probably get ready to fight here if you tried that.
2008-04-14 07:43 < Mike_H> and I routinely stop to talk to them after I've made my purchases
2008-04-14 07:44 < Mike_H> I know that one of them is postponing their marriage because he can't afford a place for the both of them, and another one needs $200 to move into a new place.
2008-04-14 07:44 < ThePolecat> I mean, I talk to people at check-outs of stores, I guess they're ok with it but it's definitely not the norm.
2008-04-14 07:44 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: Here, more often than not people like that sort of thing. The ones who don't I typically dismiss as being from the North.
2008-04-14 07:44 < ThePolecat> the only strangers people regularly talk to are taxi drivers
2008-04-14 07:45 < ThePolecat> I think they do like it, they're just not used to it.
2008-04-14 07:45 < Mike_H> Back home the convenience store lady was...not rude, per se
2008-04-14 07:45 < Mike_H> but really standoffish
2008-04-14 07:45 < Mike_H> so one day when I was making a purchase
2008-04-14 07:45 < ThePolecat> there's a lot more conversation on market stands
2008-04-14 07:45 < Mike_H> I asked her where she was from.
2008-04-14 07:45 < Mike_H> She said New Jersey.
2008-04-14 07:45 < Mike_H> Typical.
2008-04-14 07:45 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-14 07:45 < ThePolecat> and I talk to my ice cream guys who are Italian.
2008-04-14 07:46 < ThePolecat> Brb, need tea.
2008-04-14 07:46 < bumm13> I had a college instructor who was from New York City
2008-04-14 07:46 < bumm13> she was generally friendly but could occasionally seem rather rude in odd ways
2008-04-14 07:46 < Mike_H> Not all people from the North are mean, though. I mean, Sandy Ordonez, who I worked with at the Foundation...
2008-04-14 07:46 < Mike_H> she was sweet as pie
2008-04-14 07:46 < Mike_H> and she's from The Bronx
2008-04-14 07:46 < bumm13> oh sure
2008-04-14 07:47 < bumm13> non-Southerners just don't usually "jump out at you" all bubbly ;)
2008-04-14 07:47 < Mike_H> Well, Southerners are just nicer people.
2008-04-14 07:47 < ThePolecat> yea, people can be sweet and sorta reserved.
2008-04-14 07:47 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-14 07:47 < ThePolecat> haha.
2008-04-14 07:47 < Mike_H> They really are. We're not as self-involved as Northerners are.
2008-04-14 07:47 < ThePolecat> No?
2008-04-14 07:47 < Mike_H> I don't think so, no
2008-04-14 07:48 * bumm13 doesn't live in this so-called "North"
2008-04-14 07:48 < Mike_H> bumm13: North = anything that isn't the South
2008-04-14 07:48 < Mike_H> hell, Arizona would be "north" to us :DD
2008-04-14 07:48 < bumm13> so saith the Southerner ;)
2008-04-14 07:48 * ThePolecat lives in the west which has the worst of qualities attached to it.
2008-04-14 07:48 < ThePolecat> "coldness, greed, human superficiality..."
2008-04-14 07:49 < bumm13> geographically, Florida is damn south
2008-04-14 07:49 < bumm13> Jacksonville is south of San Diego
2008-04-14 07:49 < ThePolecat> Florida is not part of the Deep South, is it?
2008-04-14 07:49 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: A lot of the state is.
2008-04-14 07:49 < Mike_H> Not all of it.
2008-04-14 07:49 < ThePolecat> yea, the northwest.
2008-04-14 07:49 < bumm13> Florida is like three mini-states
2008-04-14 07:49 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: And the northeast, and north-central.
2008-04-14 07:49 < Mike_H> You can get pretty far into interior Florida and still be in the Deep South.
2008-04-14 07:49 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-04-14 07:50 < ThePolecat> Orlando.
2008-04-14 07:50 < bumm13> I was on a shuttle from Orlando airport in 1997
2008-04-14 07:50 < Mike_H> Orlando, not so much
2008-04-14 07:50 < bumm13> I remember hearing country music playing
2008-04-14 07:50 < Mike_H> a lot of Cubans and Puerto Ricans live in Orlando.
2008-04-14 07:50 < ThePolecat> not in Jacksonville?
2008-04-14 07:50 < bumm13> so some element is there
2008-04-14 07:50 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: My mom is from Jacksonville
2008-04-14 07:51 < Mike_H> that is DEFINITELY Southern.
2008-04-14 07:51 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-04-14 07:51 < Mike_H> It's the largest city in the US that still regularly holds KKK rallies.
2008-04-14 07:51 < Mike_H> Jacksonville is cosmopolitan, but not really by choice.
2008-04-14 07:52 < Mike_H> The Navy bases brought more of a cosmopolitan population than anything else.
2008-04-14 07:52 < Mike_H> The last mayoral race in Jacksonville was ugly. One of the people running was black, and people vandalized his headquarters
2008-04-14 07:52 < Mike_H> writing "NO NIGGER MAYOR" on the doors and windows
2008-04-14 07:53 * ThePolecat wonders what one should see if one was to cross the Deep South
2008-04-14 07:53 < ThePolecat> Say, from coastal Georgia to coastal Louisiana
2008-04-14 07:53 < Mike_H> Honestly, a lot of places in the Deep South aren't horrible anymore when it comes to racism
2008-04-14 07:53 < Mike_H> I mean, it still exists
2008-04-14 07:53 < Mike_H> but not on that kind of level.
2008-04-14 07:54 * bumm13 stabs Google Video
2008-04-14 07:54 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: A lot of cities in the Deep South have black majorities.
2008-04-14 07:54 < Mike_H> Savannah, Birmingham, etc.
2008-04-14 07:54 < ThePolecat> I know.
2008-04-14 07:54 < Lubaf> Icanhashumanflesh.com: I see a great need.
2008-04-14 07:58 * ThePolecat reads Wikitravel
2008-04-14 07:59 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-14 07:59 < bumm13> the Northwest doesn't have a lot of black people
2008-04-14 07:59 < bumm13> (except in the largest urban areas)
2008-04-14 08:00 < ThePolecat> you get more Asians.
2008-04-14 08:00 < bumm13> yes
2008-04-14 08:01 < ThePolecat> I just saw that the "whitest" corner of the US is Maine and the rural northeast in general
2008-04-14 08:01 < bumm13> we have plenty of Hispanics as well (and have had for years)
2008-04-14 08:01 * zocky np: Ronettes: Be My Baby
2008-04-14 08:01 < ThePolecat> and some more rural parts of KY/WV/OH
2008-04-14 08:01 < ThePolecat> PA too
2008-04-14 08:01 < zocky> that song must have been a world wonder at the time
2008-04-14 08:01 < bumm13> or the North Central U.S.
2008-04-14 08:01 < ThePolecat> zocky: The Beach Boys are said to have played it for days straight
2008-04-14 08:02 < ThePolecat> you can hear the result on Pet Sounds, especially Caroline No
2008-04-14 08:02 < ThePolecat> it's a pretty damn impressive sound carpet
2008-04-14 08:03 < bumm13> I guess we had to have "cute" popular music before we could have the various "not so cute" varieties ;)
2008-04-14 08:03 * ThePolecat has loads of respect for the Philly sound
2008-04-14 08:03 < ThePolecat> I love He's A Rebel.
2008-04-14 08:04 < bumm13> The Ronettes actually backed Jimi Hendrix on a song he performed at the Fillmore East in 1970
2008-04-14 08:04 < zocky> the sound was impressive enough that it got phil spector a chance to produce a beatles album
2008-04-14 08:04 < ThePolecat> Which turned out horribly.
2008-04-14 08:04 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-14 08:04 < ThePolecat> (well, mostly because of intra-Beatles warring
2008-04-14 08:04 < zocky> well, not THAT horribly
2008-04-14 08:04 * ThePolecat NP: Beatles - You Like Me Too Much
2008-04-14 08:04 < bumm13> (on "Earth Blues")
2008-04-14 08:05 < ThePolecat> it's a perfect song to me.
2008-04-14 08:05 < ThePolecat> Help! is a country album but it goes much further.
2008-04-14 08:05 < ThePolecat> I think I know five-to-ten songs that have directly stolen from YLMTM
2008-04-14 08:05 < zocky> speaking of perfect songs, I wonder if youtube has I'm so tired
2008-04-14 08:05 < ThePolecat> *been
2008-04-14 08:06 < zocky> ThePolecat, you can't compare it to help, help has the best beatles song on it
2008-04-14 08:06 < Mike_H> bumm13: I'm watching an E! True Hollywood Story marathon :DD
2008-04-14 08:06 < ThePolecat> I love Ticket To Ride too though, especially the start.
2008-04-14 08:06 < ThePolecat> Help is brilliant of course.
2008-04-14 08:07 < zocky> "i've just seen a face" is the best beatles song overall, if you ask em
2008-04-14 08:07 < zocky> *me
2008-04-14 08:07 < ThePolecat> I love it.
2008-04-14 08:07 < ThePolecat> but You Like Me Too Much is still my favorite on the record.
2008-04-14 08:08 * zocky plays "I'm so tired" real loud
2008-04-14 08:08 < ThePolecat> also love that song where in the film Paul plays the beach babe like a guitar.
2008-04-14 08:08 < ThePolecat> Another Girl.
2008-04-14 08:09 < ThePolecat> but that's just refined brit pop of the time, but on what level.
2008-04-14 08:09 < ThePolecat> *though
2008-04-14 08:11 < zocky> ok, i have to play i've just seen a face several times over, because it's just 2 minutes long
2008-04-14 08:11 < ThePolecat> haha
2008-04-14 08:12 < ThePolecat> Paul is a brilliant melisma singer.
2008-04-14 08:12 < ThePolecat> without being a "yodler", 1930s style
2008-04-14 08:13 < zocky> in general, lennon's songs are better than mccartney's - less talented for musical details, but better overall feel of the songs
2008-04-14 08:13 < ThePolecat> Yea, Paul has this "good old" feel
2008-04-14 08:13 < zocky> but this one is an exception, as are some of the things on the abbey road medley
2008-04-14 08:14 < ThePolecat> that's why many people dislike him
2008-04-14 08:14 < ThePolecat> but he did Helter Skelter, so yea.
2008-04-14 08:14 < bumm13> Paul could get cutesy, but he could also bring intensity as well
2008-04-14 08:15 < bumm13> John's stuff was more "cerebral"
2008-04-14 08:15 < ThePolecat> I love the cover of I Got A Woman.
2008-04-14 08:15 < ThePolecat> Yea, I dislike the later John with exceptions.
2008-04-14 08:15 < ThePolecat> (such as the obvious Happiness Is A Warm Gun)
2008-04-14 08:15 < ThePolecat> Is You're Going To Lose That Girl newer than Run For Your Life?
2008-04-14 08:15 < ThePolecat> there seems to be a strain of "mean songs"
2008-04-14 08:15 < ThePolecat> in John's oeuvre
2008-04-14 08:16 < ThePolecat> almost Dylanesque (4th, Idiot Wind etc.)
2008-04-14 08:17 < zocky> hehe, I'm now listening to the abbey road medley live by paul mccartney
2008-04-14 08:17 < zocky> the accent is on "listening", because looking at the cute expressions on his face ruins it
2008-04-14 08:17 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-14 08:18 < ThePolecat> he had a German bass
2008-04-14 08:18 < ThePolecat> Höfner
2008-04-14 08:19 < bumm13> I still find Helter Skelter amazing because it's hard-rockish yet still has that Rickenbacker sound
2008-04-14 08:19 < bumm13> yeah, Höfner basses
2008-04-14 08:19 < zocky> zomg, there's phil collins drumming
2008-04-14 08:19 < bumm13> when was this recorded?
2008-04-14 08:20 < zocky> "Paul sings the Abbey Road Medley live at Montserrat" is all it says
2008-04-14 08:20 < zocky> it looks like 1990s
2008-04-14 08:20 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-14 08:20 < bumm13> Phil Collins is a damn good drummer :)
2008-04-14 08:20 < zocky> bumm13, as long as he doesn't try to sing :)
2008-04-14 08:21 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-14 08:21 < ThePolecat> hedgeslammer!
2008-04-14 08:21 < bumm13> well, he did well by his voice in the 80s
2008-04-14 08:21 < bumm13> isn't that Peter Gabriel?
2008-04-14 08:21 < zocky> sledgehammer is peter gabriel, yes
2008-04-14 08:22 < ThePolecat> I have no idea
2008-04-14 08:22 < ThePolecat> I dislike Genesis.
2008-04-14 08:22 < bumm13> it's amazing how much Phil Collins' voice resembles that of Gabriel
2008-04-14 08:22 < ThePolecat> (as well as the rest of the pentateuch)
2008-04-14 08:22 * bumm13 sends the death angel to Polecat's house
2008-04-14 08:23 < zocky> it's so silly when people rip a video and then put an intro on it
2008-04-14 08:23 < bumm13> (j/k)
2008-04-14 08:23 < zocky> this one says "lethal productions"
2008-04-14 08:23 < bumm13> yeah, I really dislike that
2008-04-14 08:23 < zocky> yo, dude, ripping a video off a DVD isn't "production"
2008-04-14 08:23 < bumm13> no shit
2008-04-14 08:24 < bumm13> I'm surprised it didn't have "featuring [insert dumb name]"
2008-04-14 08:24 < zocky> hehe
2008-04-14 08:26 * ThePolecat reads about the "Hilary Duff "ghetto" controversy"
2008-04-14 08:27 < bumm13> has she had her offspring yet?