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2008-04-13 16:15 < debian> Fennec: I agree with your statement
2008-04-13 16:16 < quanticle> debian: Right, but the vast majority of users don't have anything to do with server administration.
2008-04-13 16:16 < debian> quanticle: To port adobe to linux is a small task
2008-04-13 16:16 < Aqwis2> debian, you don't learn about server software at school
2008-04-13 16:16 < Fennec> debian: the one about the policymakers?
2008-04-13 16:16 < Aqwis2> on the other hand, you learn about using personal computers
2008-04-13 16:16 < quanticle> debian: If its so easy, then why hasn't it been done?
2008-04-13 16:16 < debian> Aqwis2: No
2008-04-13 16:16 < ThePolecat> We're not seriously getting into a replacement argument Linux vs. Windows, are we?
2008-04-13 16:16 < debian> You cannot say you learn about cars, if you only see a Toyota
2008-04-13 16:16 < quanticle> Aqwis2: You don't learn about servers at school, but (arguably) you should.
2008-04-13 16:16 < ThePolecat> P.S.: German government is partly using Linux.
2008-04-13 16:16 < debian> Then you learn about Toyotas
2008-04-13 16:17 < Aqwis2> quanticle, perhaps
2008-04-13 16:17 < Aqwis2> debian, toyota doesn't have 95% market share
2008-04-13 16:17 < debian> If we learned about personal computers, then we should learn about both
2008-04-13 16:17 < Fennec> A Toyota has most of the important properties of a car for most situations involving learning about cars, except for ones related to maintenance, service, and related matters.
2008-04-13 16:17 < quanticle> debian: The issue is that, unlike cars (where the interface is the same), operating have different interfaces. Its as if Ford, GM, and Toyota all had different gas, brake, and steering setups.
2008-04-13 16:17 < debian> Aqwis2: Linux can create work in Norway, Windows doesnt
2008-04-13 16:18 < Aqwis2> debian, Linux doesn't create paid work
2008-04-13 16:18 < debian> Aqwis2: Wrong!
2008-04-13 16:18 < Aqwis2> microsoft employs quite a few Norwegians
2008-04-13 16:18 < quanticle> Fennec: Even then, many things are standardized. The motor oil, for example.
2008-04-13 16:18 < debian> Aqwis2: For development?
2008-04-13 16:18 < Aqwis2> does that matter?
2008-04-13 16:18 < Aqwis2> i don't think it does
2008-04-13 16:18 < ThePolecat> Are you proposing that schools be required to give equal time to Windows, Linux and OS-Spaghetti-Monster on their computers?
2008-04-13 16:18 < Aqwis2> this is a pointless discussion, bbl
2008-04-13 16:18 < debian> Aqwis2: It does
2008-04-13 16:18 < Fennec> on the contrary, both Linux and Windows create work in the form of administration opportunities and such
2008-04-13 16:18 < Aqwis2> ThePolecat, "because Linus is objectively better than Windows" ;)
2008-04-13 16:18 < Aqwis2> *Linux
2008-04-13 16:19 * ThePolecat salutes
2008-04-13 16:19 < quanticle> ThePolecat: I think he is. And, to be honest, I'm not sure he's wrong in asking for such. Right now, Windows is dominant, but who's to say that said dominance will last forever?
2008-04-13 16:19 * ThePolecat goes back to work on his Vista machine
2008-04-13 16:19 < debian> ThePolecat: They should rather use Linux, they have far betther things to spend their money on than MS Windows
2008-04-13 16:19 < Fennec> in fact, one could argue that Windows creates more work in that it is much more difficult to get things done. This may be true. It is also rather broken-windowish. (haha.)
2008-04-13 16:19 < quanticle> debian: That's a decision for the schools to make, not you.
2008-04-13 16:19 < debian> quanticle: Exsactly, the market share is changing
2008-04-13 16:19 < ThePolecat> They can give people a sense of Linux when that's more likely what they'll encounter at their workplace.
2008-04-13 16:19 < quanticle> debian: Unfortunately not in favor of Linux.
2008-04-13 16:20 < debian> quanticle: It is moving toward more Linux desktop users
2008-04-13 16:20 < ThePolecat> After all, computer ed is job prep.
2008-04-13 16:20 < quanticle> debian: There is a marked transition in favor or OSX, but Linux on the desktop has only made marginal gains.
2008-04-13 16:20 < Fennec> debian: School budget wasting concerns are among your more valid points, actually. :P
2008-04-13 16:21 < quanticle> Anyway....
2008-04-13 16:21 < ThePolecat> But that's not what we were debating
2008-04-13 16:21 * quanticle goes back to nethack
2008-04-13 16:21 < Fennec> however, one may question whether it is the role of the government and its school board to predict and/or influence the future of the operating systems market in the fashion that seems to be under discussion.
2008-04-13 16:21 < ThePolecat> we weren't debating whether A or B is better, but whether the teaching of A constituted dangerous indoctrination.
2008-04-13 16:21 < debian> Fennec: Yes, thats why I hate to see a MS logo in a schoolbook. It should say bellow the image: This is the logo of the company that makes this school loose 15% of its computer budget buying air.
2008-04-13 16:21 < ThePolecat> Yea, that...
2008-04-13 16:21 < ThePolecat> debian: You don't think that would be indoctrination?
2008-04-13 16:22 < Antibuddha> why does my C drive say 360GB out of 455GB free when my C drive only has 25GB of stuff
2008-04-13 16:22 < debian> In no other subjects are they excluding the minority.
2008-04-13 16:22 < Fennec> too many people just want to replace one form indoctrination with another (their own) and don't even see it as indoctrination.
2008-04-13 16:22 < ThePolecat> Teach the controversy!
2008-04-13 16:22 < debian> Aqwis2: Should we stop manition the Sames because they are a minority?
2008-04-13 16:22 < Fennec> The controversy is overrated.
2008-04-13 16:22 * ThePolecat calls that Morbus MPOV
2008-04-13 16:23 < debian> ThePolecat: It is true
2008-04-13 16:23 < Fennec> what are the Sames?
2008-04-13 16:23 < ThePolecat> Brb.
2008-04-13 16:23 < Fennec> Google brings up "the only commercial semiconductor manufacturing facility in Africa"
2008-04-13 16:23 < debian> Fennec: The soumi people
2008-04-13 16:23 < debian> Fennec: The norwegian people with the rain deers, and the tents
2008-04-13 16:24 < debian> Fennec: Native Norwegians
2008-04-13 16:24 < Fennec> ah. must be a facet of regional education.
2008-04-13 16:24 < ThePolecat> Otherwise known as the Lapps btw.
2008-04-13 16:24 < debian> Should we not learn about them because of them being the minority?
2008-04-13 16:25 < debian> ThePolecat: Lapps is actually considered rude...
2008-04-13 16:25 < ThePolecat> Nobody said "exclude minorities", their cultural significance makes them worthy of discussion.
2008-04-13 16:25 < ThePolecat> I know, I was just trying to translate
2008-04-13 16:26 < debian> ThePolecat: And Linux doesn't show any cultrual diffrence?
2008-04-13 16:26 < debian> It is the oposite of MS Windows.
2008-04-13 16:26 < debian> Linx = freedom MS = comersilized
2008-04-13 16:26 < ThePolecat> I never said "difference", I said "significance"
2008-04-13 16:26 < debian> ThePolecat: Norwgian?
2008-04-13 16:27 < debian> ThePolecat: isn't the diffrences significant?
2008-04-13 16:27 < ThePolecat> no, for people who didn't know what a Same is
2008-04-13 16:27 < ThePolecat> not on its own.
2008-04-13 16:27 < debian> You can't teach someone only one side of the story
2008-04-13 16:27 < ThePolecat> you're doing "sociology of norway", you're not doing "sociology of operating systems"
2008-04-13 16:28 < ThePolecat> heh, teach the controversy.
2008-04-13 16:28 < ThePolecat> brb.
2008-04-13 16:28 < debian> <Children should learn about Freedom VS Comersialization
2008-04-13 16:28 < kmccoy> Commercialized is anti-freedom?
2008-04-13 16:28 < ThePolecat> thats a clean-cut case of indoctrination if ever I saw one.
2008-04-13 16:28 < debian> kmccoy: Probably
2008-04-13 16:29 < kasper> do you have freedom?
2008-04-13 16:29 < debian> kasper: ?
2008-04-13 16:29 < SuperGeek> Heya. Any sysops here?
2008-04-13 16:29 < kasper> it's a simple question
2008-04-13 16:30 < debian> kasper: No, the comersilized companies trapped me when I was young!
2008-04-13 16:30 < FastLizard4> SuperGeek: If you want EN sysops, go to #wikipedia-en
2008-04-13 16:30 < kmccoy> SuperGeek, there are a number, you should just ask your question. :)
2008-04-13 16:30 < ThePolecat> "freedom" is an unwieldy term.
2008-04-13 16:30 < SuperGeek> Alright. Well, I need my account deleted.
2008-04-13 16:30 < SuperGeek> That's it. >_>
2008-04-13 16:30 < debian> SuperGeek: Why?
2008-04-13 16:30 < kmccoy> Accounts cannot be deleted.
2008-04-13 16:31 < SuperGeek> Ugh. Why won't they be?
2008-04-13 16:31 < Fennec> Why do you need the account deleted?
2008-04-13 16:31 < kasper> can you suicide on wp, i mean your account?
2008-04-13 16:31 < SuperGeek> debian: I don't want an account on Wikipedia at the current moment
2008-04-13 16:31 < Antibuddha> is some computer virus eating at my harddrive lol
2008-04-13 16:31 < debian> SuperGeek: Just forgett you have it
2008-04-13 16:31 < SuperGeek> :/
2008-04-13 16:31 < Antibuddha> all my files add up to less than 30GB and it says im using 100GB
2008-04-13 16:32 < kmccoy> Antibuddha, do you have Windows?
2008-04-13 16:32 < Antibuddha> yes
2008-04-13 16:32 < Antibuddha> vista
2008-04-13 16:32 < Fennec> SuperGeek: The MediaWiki software maintains a history of every edit to every page. It furthermore ties those edits to accounts. This is necessary and desirable for auditing the system for abuse.
2008-04-13 16:32 < kmccoy> SuperGeek, to ensure proper licensing and credit for edits.
2008-04-13 16:32 < Antibuddha> hello my name is bill gates im here to tell you that 30 equals 100
2008-04-13 16:32 < Fennec> that too.
2008-04-13 16:32 < kmccoy> Antibuddha, google for software called windirstat
2008-04-13 16:32 < Antibuddha> in bill gates' digital world 2+2=5
2008-04-13 16:32 < Antibuddha> ok
2008-04-13 16:32 < Fennec> Antibuddha: we get the idea and without access to your computer have little further insight to offer so :P
2008-04-13 16:32 < kmccoy> Antibuddha, it shows you in a very nice way how your HD space is being used and by what files.
2008-04-13 16:33 < Antibuddha> kmccoy: you aren't working for the CIA?
2008-04-13 16:33 < SuperGeek> Fennec: I've only edited 3-4 times, I really don't see the need for saying no to a deletion :/
2008-04-13 16:33 < kmccoy> Antibuddha: Oh, here's its web site: http://windirstat.sourceforge.net/
2008-04-13 16:33 < ThePolecat> Maybe it counts deleted files that have not yet been overwritten.
2008-04-13 16:33 < kasper> Antibuddha: can somebody hide a invisible partition in your partition?
2008-04-13 16:33 < Antibuddha> is that a CIA spyware?
2008-04-13 16:34 < Antibuddha> because i spit on CIA's face
2008-04-13 16:34 < Fennec> SuperGeek: well, deletion of accounts is rather exceptional, and while not technically impossible, it is nontrivial, and not something which will usually been done.
2008-04-13 16:34 < kmccoy> SuperGeek, it's not that your specific request is being denied. It's that all requests are being denied. There's simply no "delete an account" function.
2008-04-13 16:34 < ThePolecat> Wow, all the random vitriol in here today.
2008-04-13 16:34 < Fennec> usually been? usually be done.
2008-04-13 16:34 < SuperGeek> Meh. Thanks anyways
2008-04-13 16:34 < kmccoy> SuperGeek: Deleting an account would require someone to manipulate the database themselves, which isn't something that is usually done.
2008-04-13 16:34 < SuperGeek> Alright
2008-04-13 16:34 * kmccoy finds himself subconsciously repeating Fennec.
2008-04-13 16:34 < SuperGeek> Well, could my account be renamed?
2008-04-13 16:35 < kasper> renamed by who?
2008-04-13 16:35 < SuperGeek> ...by a sysop
2008-04-13 16:35 < Fennec> I seem to recall there being that function at some time in the past. It may have been discontinued, however.
2008-04-13 16:35 < SuperGeek> I'm reading WP's policies
2008-04-13 16:35 < kmccoy> I think there's a rename function, yes...
2008-04-13 16:36 < SuperGeek> Ok, then
2008-04-13 16:36 < kmccoy> I think it's done by bureaucrats..
2008-04-13 16:36 < Fennec> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_usernames_guidelines
2008-04-13 16:36 < kmccoy> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:USERNAME
2008-04-13 16:36 < SuperGeek> I see
2008-04-13 16:36 < Antibuddha> kmccoy: ok the CIA windirstat program said im using 30GB of disk space not 100GB
2008-04-13 16:36 < kasper> why do you rename your account?
2008-04-13 16:36 < SuperGeek> You people are nosy >_>
2008-04-13 16:36 < Antibuddha> any idea why bill gates' face is telling me im using 100GB
2008-04-13 16:37 < SuperGeek> Antibuddha: Are you using Vista?
2008-04-13 16:37 < Antibuddha> yes
2008-04-13 16:37 < Antibuddha> wait
2008-04-13 16:37 < Antibuddha> vista is using me
2008-04-13 16:37 < SuperGeek> Antibuddha: Volume Shadow Copy, then
2008-04-13 16:37 < Antibuddha> oh
2008-04-13 16:37 < SuperGeek> Antibuddha: I suggest running CCleaner and readjusting the amount of space Volume shadow copy is allowed to use
2008-04-13 16:37 < SuperGeek> Vista sucks. :/
2008-04-13 16:37 < kasper> i saw this on xp
2008-04-13 16:37 < Antibuddha> ok thanks
2008-04-13 16:38 < kasper> what's the volume shadow cpoy for?
2008-04-13 16:38 < Antibuddha> bill gates tells me to apologize but i beat his wife and threw his children down the stairs
2008-04-13 16:39 < SuperGeek> kasper: Undeletion of files
2008-04-13 16:40 < SuperGeek> Hm. I'd like to invoke my Right to Vanish: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Right_to_vanish
2008-04-13 16:40 < SuperGeek> :>
2008-04-13 16:40 < Antibuddha> why does vista keep saying i need "permission" to do something like change a file in program files
2008-04-13 16:40 < Antibuddha> whose permission
2008-04-13 16:40 < Antibuddha> is bill gates big brother
2008-04-13 16:40 < SuperGeek> Antibuddha: UAC. Disable it.
2008-04-13 16:41 < Antibuddha> it's asking me 5 times in a minute i need to give myself permission
2008-04-13 16:41 < Fennec> the idea is that random virus / exploit / thingy can't mess up your system without you clicking the button
2008-04-13 16:41 < Antibuddha> can someone say crimestop
2008-04-13 16:41 < Antibuddha> oh
2008-04-13 16:41 < Antibuddha> Fennec: is vista very safe?
2008-04-13 16:41 < Fennec> this is a security feature. obtrusive and obnoxious, but...
2008-04-13 16:41 < Fennec> Antibuddha: Safe for what?
2008-04-13 16:41 < Antibuddha> for me
2008-04-13 16:42 < kasper> so, windows xp/vista can backup an opening file?
2008-04-13 16:42 < SuperGeek> kasper: Sort of
2008-04-13 16:42 < kasper> no interesting
2008-04-13 16:42 < Fennec> Antibuddha: maybe. *shrug*
2008-04-13 16:42 < SuperGeek> kasper; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_Shadow_Copy
2008-04-13 16:42 < Antibuddha> windows vista is like bill gates trying to take over the rings of power with the one ring
2008-04-13 16:42 < ThePolecat> So it logs the state of every file?
2008-04-13 16:42 < ThePolecat> Yay for nosy people looking that stuff up.
2008-04-13 16:43 < Antibuddha> if you look beyond the mist of the vista you will see all of it leads to the SOURCE, Bill Gates the myopic harvard dropout
2008-04-13 16:43 < kasper> i am tend to turn it off
2008-04-13 16:43 < SuperGeek> ThePolecat: Yep, not only that but it logs the WHOLE file
2008-04-13 16:43 < ThePolecat> So it's even harder to really get rid of something.
2008-04-13 16:43 < quanticle> Should I ban Ctrl_Z?
2008-04-13 16:43 < FastLizard4> quanticle: no
2008-04-13 16:44 < SuperGeek> ThePolecat: Yup. :/
2008-04-13 16:44 < ThePolecat> Is it just an anti-piracy thing?
2008-04-13 16:44 < SuperGeek> quanticle: yes please
2008-04-13 16:44 < FastLizard4> omg
2008-04-13 16:44 < Fennec> Temporarily.
2008-04-13 16:44 < Antibuddha> SuperGeek: you lied to me
2008-04-13 16:44 < Fennec> but yes.
2008-04-13 16:44 < Antibuddha> windows vista premium doesnt have shadow copy
2008-04-13 16:44 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Remember to redirect to ##fix_your_connection
2008-04-13 16:44 < Fennec> can you do that on a per-ban basis? :P
2008-04-13 16:44 < FastLizard4> Fennec: Yes
2008-04-13 16:44 < Fennec> oh, neat.
2008-04-13 16:44 < FastLizard4> quanticle: I''ll do it
2008-04-13 16:44 < SuperGeek> ThePolecat: It's for noobish users who might accidentally delete files
2008-04-13 16:45 < quanticle> Ok FastLizard4
2008-04-13 16:45 < ThePolecat> I don't think so.
2008-04-13 16:45 < SuperGeek> heh
2008-04-13 16:45 < FastLizard4> 30 minutes sound good?
2008-04-13 16:45 < ThePolecat> will most "delete useless files" applications delete those volumes?
2008-04-13 16:45 < ThePolecat> (if you ask them to)
2008-04-13 16:46 < SuperGeek> ThePolecat: Not sure.
2008-04-13 16:46 < silverblade> That kasper guy seems to be channel hopping, making random comments and asking random questions...
2008-04-13 16:46 < ThePolecat> Some do?
2008-04-13 16:46 < SuperGeek> ThePolecat: If you disable System Restore and clear the volumes, they won't be created in the future
2008-04-13 16:46 < ThePolecat> I meant deleting the existing ones.
2008-04-13 16:48 < ThePolecat> Say, you want to sell the thing and not want the guy after you to recreate them.
2008-04-13 16:48 < SuperGeek> ThePolecat: Not sure
2008-04-13 16:48 < ThePolecat> Okay.
2008-04-13 16:50 < Ningyou> Statistically... 9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.
2008-04-13 16:50 < Antibuddha> SuperGeek: ok you didnt lie
2008-04-13 16:50 < Antibuddha> google tried to make you seem like a liar
2008-04-13 16:50 < SuperGeek> What?
2008-04-13 16:51 < Antibuddha> i will never doubt you again
2008-04-13 16:52 < ThePolecat> So does it keep only the last sys restore point?
2008-04-13 16:52 < ThePolecat> Or the last few as well?
2008-04-13 16:52 < ThePolecat> I thought Sys Restore came and went with Me, that's why I ask
2008-04-13 16:52 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Nope, its in Windows XP. The number of previous restore points is configuragle.
2008-04-13 16:52 < quanticle> ThePolecat: It defaults to something like ten or twenty.
2008-04-13 16:53 < ThePolecat> how often is it done?
2008-04-13 16:53 < ThePolecat> by default
2008-04-13 16:53 < Antibuddha> did you guys know that 2000 microsoft employees signed a petition for passing some homosexual bill?
2008-04-13 16:53 < Antibuddha> not only do they make bad operating systems, they are also bent
2008-04-13 16:53 < Antibuddha> i learned this from wikipedia
2008-04-13 16:53 < HumbertHumbert> Um... why is the guy in "40 year old virgin" being ridiculed for riding a bike to work? Doesn't that make him a jock more than a nerd? Sporty and stuff?
2008-04-13 16:54 < The359> uh, no HumbertHumbert
2008-04-13 16:54 < The359> sport bike riders bike on their own time
2008-04-13 16:54 < The359> not on their way to work
2008-04-13 16:54 * Golbez has a bike he won 6 years ago and hasn't ridden yet
2008-04-13 16:54 * Golbez is determined to ride it once things warm up outside
2008-04-13 16:54 < HumbertHumbert> The359: Why not combine the two? Seems stupid to waste time.
2008-04-13 16:55 < Golbez> sure, i could give up the dream, but it's an $1800 bike
2008-04-13 16:55 < The359> and Antibuddha, how many Microsoft employees refused to sign the petition?
2008-04-13 16:55 < Golbez> and i live mere yards from Iowa's only urban trout stream!
2008-04-13 16:55 < The359> Because riding a bike usually makes you sweaty, HumbertHumbert
2008-04-13 16:55 < melikbilge> yeah being jock on the way to school/work stops after u turn like 20
2008-04-13 16:55 < Aqwis2> is riding bikes unamerican?
2008-04-13 16:55 < HumbertHumbert> Golbez: You have a bike that you have not ridden once?
2008-04-13 16:55 < The359> And who wants to go to work sweaty?
2008-04-13 16:55 < HumbertHumbert> The359: Only if you cycle like hell.
2008-04-13 16:55 < Golbez> HumbertHumbert- yes :( i worked in shipping, so i had no need to use it. i always needed my car at work
2008-04-13 16:55 < HumbertHumbert> How about taking it a little easy to work?
2008-04-13 16:56 < The359> depends where you work
2008-04-13 16:56 < Golbez> and i didn't live where i could ride my bike easily to the store
2008-04-13 16:56 < Golbez> but i do now!
2008-04-13 16:56 < quanticle> ThePolecat: By default, its never done. System restore is only triggered by certain updates. The Service Packs triggered it, as did installing new versions of Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer.
2008-04-13 16:56 < HumbertHumbert> Golbez: But still... you never even tried it?
2008-04-13 16:56 < ThePolecat> But doesn't that only refer to system files?
2008-04-13 16:56 < Golbez> HumbertHumbert- i tried it inside, once. =p
2008-04-13 16:56 < HumbertHumbert> :S
2008-04-13 16:57 < Golbez> but now
2008-04-13 16:57 < Golbez> im gonna use it!
2008-04-13 16:57 < quanticle> Aqwis2: In many places it can be considered un-American.
2008-04-13 16:57 < Golbez> ... as soon as it's above 65 outside.
2008-04-13 16:57 < ThePolecat> or also to, say, MS Word documents?
2008-04-13 16:57 * Golbez gasps, tuesday forecast is 64 :o
2008-04-13 16:57 < HumbertHumbert> How did you win it?
2008-04-13 16:57 < debian_> Aqwis2: And comersialized
2008-04-13 16:57 < quanticle> Golbez: You don't know how to ride a bike?
2008-04-13 16:57 < Golbez> quanticle- i do, but i've never ridden *this* one.
2008-04-13 16:57 < Golbez> an online Who Wants To Be A Millionaire game
2008-04-13 16:57 < ThePolecat> because systems should run stably
2008-04-13 16:57 < Golbez> grand prize was some new car
2008-04-13 16:57 < quanticle> Golbez: Ah. Ok.
2008-04-13 16:57 < Golbez> first prize was apparently a bike. =p
2008-04-13 16:58 < Golbez> i didn't even know I'd done all that well til I got an email from them that I originally discarded as spam.
2008-04-13 16:58 < quanticle> ThePolecat: System restore doesn't back up everything. It just backs up certain system files and the Registry.
2008-04-13 16:58 < ThePolecat> Okay.
2008-04-13 16:58 < ThePolecat> So my love letters are not retrievable that easily.
2008-04-13 16:58 < ThePolecat> :-)
2008-04-13 16:58 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Nope.
2008-04-13 16:58 < ThePolecat> Okay.
2008-04-13 16:58 < quanticle> ThePolecat: System restore != backup strategy
2008-04-13 16:58 < ThePolecat> right
2008-04-13 16:59 < ThePolecat> Brb, teevee.
2008-04-13 16:59 < ThePolecat> thanks.
2008-04-13 16:59 * quanticle sighs
2008-04-13 16:59 < quanticle> Not having any luck with Nethack today.
2008-04-13 16:59 < Cream> hey quanticle
2008-04-13 16:59 < quanticle> Hey Cream!
2008-04-13 16:59 < Golbez> mmm nethack
2008-04-13 16:59 < Cream> hiya Golbez
2008-04-13 16:59 < quanticle> Golbez: I died on level 1 three times in a row from various bad luck incidents.
2008-04-13 17:00 < Messedrocker> level 1 of what?
2008-04-13 17:00 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Nethack
2008-04-13 17:01 < Golbez> quanticle- Once I found a ... I think Dragonbane on level 1. That made for a nice early game.
2008-04-13 17:01 < Antibuddha> dying is very fun in games
2008-04-13 17:01 < Antibuddha> i think in the future, people will die watching movies
2008-04-13 17:02 < quanticle> Golbez: Heh. Nice.
2008-04-13 17:02 < Antibuddha> because movies will be interactive
2008-04-13 17:02 < quanticle> Golbez: I found a cloak of invisibility on level 2 once. That was nice too.
2008-04-13 17:02 < Golbez> Also nice when I found a magic lamp on level 1.
2008-04-13 17:02 < Antibuddha> you can be will smith in iRobot and fight robots and have sex with women in the future
2008-04-13 17:06 < Antibuddha> have you guys ever heard the saying, If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him
2008-04-13 17:07 < Antibuddha> that old quote flashed in my mind as i accidentally killed a traveller in this rpg game
2008-04-13 17:07 < enok|walker> i have now
2008-04-13 17:08 < HumbertHumbert> Why was olympig games held in Berlin under nazi era?
2008-04-13 17:08 < debian_> HumbertHumbert: Because the chineese hadnt started breaking human rights.
2008-04-13 17:09 < Aqwis2> wait, what.
2008-04-13 17:09 < Aqwis2> what do the chinese have to do with the olympic games in Berlin?
2008-04-13 17:09 < Antibuddha> he's a bot ignore him
2008-04-13 17:10 < HumbertHumbert> How do they even decide what country should hold it next year?
2008-04-13 17:10 < Aqwis2> debian_ is hardly a bot
2008-04-13 17:10 < HumbertHumbert> The country that wins the most medals?
2008-04-13 17:10 < enok|walker> Anyone know why Firefox would keep ending my download before it was done
2008-04-13 17:10 < Aqwis2> political reasons
2008-04-13 17:10 < debian_> Antibuddha: I'm a bot?
2008-04-13 17:10 < Aqwis2> nothing to do with who wins the most medals
2008-04-13 17:10 < Antibuddha> debian_: maybe
2008-04-13 17:10 < debian_> Antibuddha: Where did you get that ide?
2008-04-13 17:10 < Aqwis2> then you'd just end up with the largest countries holding it
2008-04-13 17:10 < Aqwis2> always
2008-04-13 17:11 < debian_> enok|walker: KGB is preventing you from downloading it
2008-04-13 17:11 * Fennec sneezes.
2008-04-13 17:11 < Antibuddha> debian_: i am always wary of wikipedia irc channel chatters being CIA agents with the purpose of misguiding people searching for encyclopedic knowledge
2008-04-13 17:11 < Fennec> don't be silly. we're not CIA agents at all.
2008-04-13 17:11 < Fennec> oop.
2008-04-13 17:11 < ThePolecat> You are not misled at all. fnord
2008-04-13 17:12 < The359> I'm only a CIA agent on weekdays
2008-04-13 17:12 < enok|walker> oh ok
2008-04-13 17:12 < Antibuddha> once a shill always a shill
2008-04-13 17:12 < enok|walker> It made it all the way to 88% this time, let's see if the download dies again :/
2008-04-13 17:12 < debian_> I only work part time
2008-04-13 17:12 * Fennec is more worried about Wikipedia IRC chatters being random people with some form or another of agenda with the purpose of misguiding people searching for encyclopedic knowledge.
2008-04-13 17:12 < Mm40> so r u wiki?
2008-04-13 17:12 * debian_ is worried about Fennec misguiding people.
2008-04-13 17:13 * ThePolecat entraps people to waste their time in arguments that could be used against them in future trials that may or may not take place in secret alien bases
2008-04-13 17:13 < enok|walker> hooray 96%
2008-04-13 17:13 * debian_ knows kbe is lurking in the bushes
2008-04-13 17:13 < Fennec> debian_: ever worry about yourself misguiding people? >.>
2008-04-13 17:14 * ThePolecat dislikes intellectual laziness, at any rate.
2008-04-13 17:14 < HumbertHumbert> So why WERE the olympig games held in Germany under the Nazi era?
2008-04-13 17:14 < debian_> Fennec: Only if the CIA, KGB; secret police (witch by the way is very little secret), and the mafia sencors me.
2008-04-13 17:14 < Mike_H> Aren't the Olympic Games picked far ahead of schedule?
2008-04-13 17:14 < ThePolecat> Yes.
2008-04-13 17:14 < Mike_H> The Nazis only rose to power in Germany in 1933.
2008-04-13 17:14 < Aqwis2> because Nazi germany wasn't looked at as "evil evil evil" at the time
2008-04-13 17:14 < ThePolecat> Oh, the Nazis were considered "neat and clean" and all
2008-04-13 17:15 < ThePolecat> by then
2008-04-13 17:15 < enok|walker> Oh that's nice Firefox decided to screw up my download at 100%
2008-04-13 17:15 < ThePolecat> Bbl.
2008-04-13 17:15 < Aqwis2> at least not by everyone
2008-04-13 17:15 < Mike_H> The 1936 Summer Olympics, officially known as the Games of the XI Olympiad, were held in 1936 in Berlin, Germany. Berlin won the bid to host the games, with the International Olympic Committee choosing Berlin over Barcelona in April 1931.
2008-04-13 17:15 < Aqwis2> ah.
2008-04-13 17:15 < Fennec> debian_: censorship. C before S, like in Computer Science. :P
2008-04-13 17:15 < Mike_H> The bid to host the Olympics was won before the Nazi Party gained power in Germany.
2008-04-13 17:16 < HumbertHumbert> So... um... wasn't it like... dangerous of the Nazis to allow people from all over the world into Germany?
2008-04-13 17:16 < debian_> Fennec: It was the mafia again, they dislike me speaking of them.
2008-04-13 17:16 < HumbertHumbert> And like... um... weren't they... Nazis?
2008-04-13 17:16 < debian_> They ruin my spelling to make me seam unreliabole
2008-04-13 17:16 < Antibuddha> HumbertHumbert: nazis are human too
2008-04-13 17:16 < Antibuddha> nazis were the good guys
2008-04-13 17:16 < Fennec> I contend that if you attempt to guide people and you do not consider the possibility that you are misguiding them, then you are inadequately introspective!
2008-04-13 17:17 < Mike_H> Hitler removed signs stating "Jews not wanted" and similar slogans from the main tourist attractions. Hitler desired to clean up Berlin, the German Ministry of Interior authorized the chief of Berlin Police to arrest all gypsies and keep them in a special camp.[1] Nazi officials ordered that foreign visitors should not be subjected to the criminal strictures of anti-homosexual laws.
2008-04-13 17:17 < Antibuddha> look, we rid the world of the nazis and now we're perfectly sane and humane with africans starving to death and wars raging all around the world etc etc
2008-04-13 17:17 < Fennec> eh. it's not a new thing really.
2008-04-13 17:18 < Fennec> deplorable, sure, but I wouldn't blame it on the Evils of Modern Civilization or anysuch like usually people seem to try to do
2008-04-13 17:18 < Mike_H> By allowing only members of the "Aryan race" to compete for Germany, Hitler further promoted his ideological belief of racial supremacy. Although Germany won most of the medals in the Olympics, other athletes, such as African-American athlete Jesse Owens, who won four gold medals, showed great athleticism through performance.
2008-04-13 17:18 < Mike_H> Hitler only barred non-whites from competing for Germany.
2008-04-13 17:19 < HumbertHumbert> Mike_H: Hmm...
2008-04-13 17:19 < Antibuddha> if i was hitler i would've banned whites too
2008-04-13 17:19 < HumbertHumbert> I guess history is repeating itself.
2008-04-13 17:20 < Antibuddha> "we're too good to compete with you"
2008-04-13 17:20 < Antibuddha> history doesnt repeat itself, people repeat themselves
2008-04-13 17:20 < nokmar> wait, weren't you banned?
2008-04-13 17:20 < Antibuddha> always
2008-04-13 17:20 < Antibuddha> i have been banned over two dozen times
2008-04-13 17:21 < HumbertHumbert> nokmar = typical IRC retard who can't have a discussion without talking about bans and censorship.
2008-04-13 17:22 < Mike_H> When HumbertHumbert comes back, I'm banning him.
2008-04-13 17:22 < Mike_H> actually, hold on
2008-04-13 17:22 < Mike_H> I'll do it right now
2008-04-13 17:22 < Mike_H> what was his cloak?
2008-04-13 17:23 < Mike_H> Anyone? Hello?
2008-04-13 17:23 < Antibuddha> you guys remember that hockey game during the olympics, america vs the rest of the world?
2008-04-13 17:23 < Antibuddha> well how do you expect the "rest of the world" hockey team to do well when they dont even speak the same languages
2008-04-13 17:24 < Mm40> "Do u believe in miracles?" That one?
2008-04-13 17:24 < Mike_H> An upstart United States ice hockey team, made up primarily of collegiate players, won the gold medal, defeating the heavily favored Soviet team and then Finland in the medal round. Their defeat of the Soviet team became known as the "Miracle on Ice" in the US press.
2008-04-13 17:24 < nokmar> HumbertH@unaffiliated/humberthumbert
2008-04-13 17:24 < Mm40> Yes
2008-04-13 17:25 < Mike_H> The win captured the hearts of Americans during a time of Cold War tensions, even though it was the win against Finland that captured the gold medal americanhistory.si.edu. A film about the event, called Miracle, was released in 2004.
2008-04-13 17:25 < Fennec> 14:22 -!- HumbertHumbert [i=HumbertH@unaffiliated/humberthumbert] has left #Wikipedia []
2008-04-13 17:25 < Fennec> Mike_H: don't you have scrollback too?
2008-04-13 17:25 < Kjoonlee> hi
2008-04-13 17:25 < Mike_H> Fennec: My client just says who goes and leaves.
2008-04-13 17:25 < Mike_H> No time stamp
2008-04-13 17:25 < Antibuddha> Mm40: no im talking about the one in like 1998
2008-04-13 17:25 < Mike_H> no any extra stuff.
2008-04-13 17:25 < Kjoonlee> is there anyone who's willing to edit a protected page for me? {{editprotected}}
2008-04-13 17:25 < Mike_H> *comes and leaves
2008-04-13 17:26 < Mike_H> So there's no need to be snippy or insulting.
2008-04-13 17:26 < Mike_H> Not everyone has the same capabilities.
2008-04-13 17:26 < Kjoonlee> Edit request is at [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]]
2008-04-13 17:26 < Mm40> Antibuddha, I was three
2008-04-13 17:26 < Mm40> I guess not
2008-04-13 17:27 < Antibuddha> you were 3 in 1998?
2008-04-13 17:28 < Mm40> yep
2008-04-13 17:28 < Kjoonlee> so there's nobody who can help me? :'(
2008-04-13 17:28 < Fennec> Mike_H: eww, mIRC. :)
2008-04-13 17:28 < Mm40> I have a request.
2008-04-13 17:28 < Antibuddha> im 21 in a little over a month can i give advice to 13 year olds?
2008-04-13 17:29 < kmccoy> mIRC is perfectly capable of placing timestamps.
2008-04-13 17:29 < Fennec> Antibuddha: about which?
2008-04-13 17:29 < Antibuddha> about committing suicide
2008-04-13 17:29 < Fennec> you for it, or ag'in' it?
2008-04-13 17:29 < Mm40> uhhhhh...
2008-04-13 17:29 < Antibuddha> i just want to say that if things get rough in life and you decide to cut your wrists, no one will blame you for it
2008-04-13 17:30 < Mm40> Can someone here block me for a week
2008-04-13 17:30 < Mm40> Please
2008-04-13 17:30 < Kjoonlee> Mm40: what for?
2008-04-13 17:30 < Mm40> I spend too much time here
2008-04-13 17:30 < Antibuddha> stop hating yourself Mm40
2008-04-13 17:30 < Antibuddha> you spend time here because no one has wisdom besides me
2008-04-13 17:30 < Mike_H> Fennec: I'm going to need an autorem for that guy.
2008-04-13 17:30 < Aqwis2> Mike_H, i would recommend banning Antibuddha instead?
2008-04-13 17:30 < Mike_H> He's a repeat offender and he WILL come back.
2008-04-13 17:31 < Mm40> Antibuddha, r u a wikipedian
2008-04-13 17:31 < Fennec> Mm40: put Freenode as a pointer to 127.0.0.1 in your hosts file and ban yourself
2008-04-13 17:31 < Aqwis2> no, he's a troll
2008-04-13 17:31 < Antibuddha> no im a troll
2008-04-13 17:31 < Antibuddha> wise in the ways of trolling
2008-04-13 17:31 < Mm40> No, block me from wikipedia
2008-04-13 17:32 < debian_> Who is not a troll?
2008-04-13 17:32 < Fennec> jimbo wales is not a troll.
2008-04-13 17:33 < Kjoonlee> I wonder if Wikipedia has info on blocking yourself from certain sites.
2008-04-13 17:34 < MZMcBride> Antibuddha: Please don't discuss suicide in here.
2008-04-13 17:34 < Antibuddha> you must face your fears or they will defeat you from within
2008-04-13 17:34 < Kjoonlee> I'm a bit surprised Wikipedia was listed as pro-suicide (in that research)
2008-04-13 17:34 < Kjoonlee> we should have been seen as neutral, as per NPOV
2008-04-13 17:34 < MZMcBride> Mm40: You're requesting a ban from this channel?
2008-04-13 17:35 < Antibuddha> wikipedia is pro-suicide?
2008-04-13 17:35 < Mm40> No, from wikipedia, not anything IRC
2008-04-13 17:35 < Kjoonlee> Antibuddha: according to some research.. probably mentioned in slashdot
2008-04-13 17:35 < Antibuddha> wow, finally a point on which the encyclopedia anyone can edit and i agree
2008-04-13 17:35 < MZMcBride> Antibuddha: Please don't discuss suicide in here.
2008-04-13 17:35 < Aqwis2> Mm40, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak_Enforcer
2008-04-13 17:36 < Antibuddha> fine
2008-04-13 17:36 < MZMcBride> Mm40: General policy is to not to do self-requested blocks.
2008-04-13 17:36 < Kjoonlee> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080411-suicide-searches-produce-disturbing-unsurprising-results.html
2008-04-13 17:36 < MZMcBride> See [[en:WP:BLOCK]].
2008-04-13 17:38 < Mm40> Can someone do it 4 me?
2008-04-13 17:38 < Pilotguy> Mm40: No
2008-04-13 17:39 < Pilotguy> Mm40: Unplug your internet, and walk away
2008-04-13 17:39 < Mm40> 2 hard
2008-04-13 17:39 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: I believe these off-topic issues have come up before... would you like a ban from this channel?
2008-04-13 17:40 < Pilotguy> Mm40: We are not here to assist you in that regard
2008-04-13 17:40 < Antibuddha> Pilotguy: what off topic issues
2008-04-13 17:40 < Antibuddha> i have never been banned from this place for talking about suicide
2008-04-13 17:40 < Mm40> O. K.
2008-04-13 17:41 < Antibuddha> one day i'll find a way to apply edit protection on myself
2008-04-13 17:41 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: If I remember correctly you were issued a quiet for engaging in a related discussion to what you are discussing now
2008-04-13 17:41 < Antibuddha> Pilotguy: related
2008-04-13 17:41 < Antibuddha> Pilotguy: be more specific
2008-04-13 17:41 < Mm40> So, speaking of wikipedia...
2008-04-13 17:42 < Mm40> Have u guys ever heard of spotlight
2008-04-13 17:42 < Mm40> ?
2008-04-13 17:42 < MZMcBride> The Mac program?
2008-04-13 17:42 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: You were the one quieted so you can tell me
2008-04-13 17:42 < Antibuddha> Pilotguy: i was talking about jesus christ and pontius pilot
2008-04-13 17:42 < Pilotguy> The point is to cease and desist with your discussion topics
2008-04-13 17:42 < Antibuddha> how about stop harassing me
2008-04-13 17:42 < Antibuddha> i already stopped talking about suicide
2008-04-13 17:42 < Pilotguy> The tone of your topics is not conducive to this IRC channel
2008-04-13 17:42 < Antibuddha> god dammit
2008-04-13 17:42 < Antibuddha> leave me be
2008-04-13 17:43 < Antibuddha> yawn
2008-04-13 17:43 < Pilotguy> I will if you display a willingness to abide by our guidelines
2008-04-13 17:43 < nazgjunk> Pilotguy: you're good. I'd probably have kicked/banned/hurt really bad by now :/
2008-04-13 17:43 < The359> we have guidelines?
2008-04-13 17:43 < Mm40> no, the wp thing
2008-04-13 17:43 < FastLizard4|Food> The359: Don't admit it to the newbies
2008-04-13 17:44 < Pilotguy> The359: We've had guidelines since the beginning, know it or not
2008-04-13 17:44 < FastLizard4|Food> The359: As far as we they are concerned, we do ;)
2008-04-13 17:44 < Mm40> go to #wikipedia-spotlight
2008-04-13 17:44 * FastLizard4|Food returns to lunch
2008-04-13 17:44 < Pilotguy> However we've only enforced them when absolutely necessary
2008-04-13 17:44 < Mm40> I'll tell u there
2008-04-13 17:44 < nazgjunk> on a sidenote, i'd love to see where in the guidelines it says that suicide is off-limits as a topic
2008-04-13 17:44 * nazgjunk checks
2008-04-13 17:44 * The359 thinks Pilotguy fails at the humor
2008-04-13 17:44 < Pilotguy> The359: I know what you are saying
2008-04-13 17:45 < Pilotguy> Hence why I said they are sporadically enforced
2008-04-13 17:45 < Jonjonbt> Where are cloak requests?
2008-04-13 17:45 < Pilotguy> Jonjonbt: Depends on if you want a wikimedia or unaffiliated one
2008-04-13 17:46 < Jonjonbt> Wikimedia :-\
2008-04-13 17:46 < Warpath> MZMcBride, look for a guideline related to this channel
2008-04-13 17:46 < MZMcBride> Bah.
2008-04-13 17:46 < Mm40> any one?
2008-04-13 17:46 < MZMcBride> There's a user in here called "Bah"?
2008-04-13 17:46 < nazgjunk> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia
2008-04-13 17:46 < nazgjunk> <.<
2008-04-13 17:46 < MZMcBride> Heh.
2008-04-13 17:46 < MZMcBride> Mm40: Stop requesting it. It isn't allowed.
2008-04-13 17:46 < Mm40> Never mind. gotta go
2008-04-13 17:47 * Cream spanks MZMcBride
2008-04-13 17:47 < Cream> you forgot
2008-04-13 17:47 < MZMcBride> Cream: ?
2008-04-13 17:47 < Cream> no pubic logging
2008-04-13 17:47 < MZMcBride> Hush.
2008-04-13 17:47 < Cream> hush puppies?
2008-04-13 17:47 < nazgjunk> Cream: that's in those guidelines
2008-04-13 17:48 < kibble> join #wikipedia-en
2008-04-13 17:48 < kibble> gah
2008-04-13 17:48 < The359> it should be outside those guidelines
2008-04-13 17:48 < Pilotguy> um... added by...?
2008-04-13 17:48 < kibble> xchat is so annoying, it leaves my / in the other channel
2008-04-13 17:49 < Warpath> hmm
2008-04-13 17:49 < Cream> Bluuuaadvark?
2008-04-13 17:49 < Pilotguy> Mike_H: Make sure you sign and date that autorem so the rest of us know please
2008-04-13 17:49 < Warpath> thats not Bluuu
2008-04-13 17:49 < nazgjunk> it says bluuu
2008-04-13 17:49 < Warpath> that Ip is from senegal.. probably that irritating kid
2008-04-13 17:49 < Warpath> some got it wrong
2008-04-13 17:50 < The359> Bluu is an irritating kid as well
2008-04-13 17:50 < Warpath> omeone*
2008-04-13 17:50 < nazgjunk> Seen plenty of irritating kids around here
2008-04-13 17:50 < kibble> Warpath, but you're not in senegal
2008-04-13 17:50 * kibble hides
2008-04-13 17:50 < The359> Bluuu is from Norway or Sweden
2008-04-13 17:50 < Warpath> kibble, i know, they kickbanned me :~(
2008-04-13 17:50 < The359> I forget which
2008-04-13 17:50 < nazgjunk> Warpath: it's not senegal
2008-04-13 17:50 < nazgjunk> it's sweden
2008-04-13 17:50 < nazgjunk> <.<
2008-04-13 17:50 < The359> ah, ok
2008-04-13 17:50 < nazgjunk> bredbandsbolaget.se
2008-04-13 17:50 < Warpath> sweden i know *
2008-04-13 17:50 < The359> yeah, has to be Bluuu
2008-04-13 17:51 < Warpath> blu is american
2008-04-13 17:51 < The359> not that Blu
2008-04-13 17:51 < Cream> BluAadvark?
2008-04-13 17:51 < The359> There's BluAardvark
2008-04-13 17:51 < The359> and Bluuu
2008-04-13 17:51 < The359> two separate people
2008-04-13 17:52 < The359> both blocked for different reasons
2008-04-13 17:52 < Cream> yeah
2008-04-13 17:52 < Cream> BluAardvark is a troll
2008-04-13 17:52 < Cream> he's sometimes lulzy
2008-04-13 17:52 < Cream> look
2008-04-13 17:52 < Cream> it's Warpath
2008-04-13 17:52 < Pilotguy> Cream: He vandalized my wikinews userpage
2008-04-13 17:52 * Cream points
2008-04-13 17:52 < The359> Bluuu asks stupid questions all the time and then gets pissed off when people stop answering them
2008-04-13 17:52 < Warpath> yup Bluuuuu is the irritating kid
2008-04-13 17:52 < Pilotguy> Cream: That guy needs a life
2008-04-13 17:52 < Fennec> why does [[Entropy (arrow of time)]] have debate in the references section?
2008-04-13 17:53 < Warpath> Fennec, you spoke :O
2008-04-13 17:53 < Pilotguy> Fennec: You still in Winston-Salem?
2008-04-13 17:53 < Aqwis> Fennec, that's... interesting
2008-04-13 17:53 < Warpath> Fennec, Tillie has died, please revive it :~(
2008-04-13 17:53 < Pilotguy> Fennec: You moved didn't you?
2008-04-13 17:54 < Fennec> yeah, yeah, stats generation, will do sometime. had to move the bot to a new system.
2008-04-13 17:54 < Rinn> Fennec: Nothing to say to you, just going along with the crowd.
2008-04-13 17:54 < Fennec> bwadip. quick bounce.
2008-04-13 17:55 < Antibuddha> Fennec: did you ever read william james sidis' Animate and the Inanimate?
2008-04-13 17:55 < Pilotguy> Tillie
2008-04-13 17:55 < Fennec> can't say that I did
2008-04-13 17:56 < Pilotguy> Ooh!
2008-04-13 17:56 * Pilotguy just thought of a new fraternity nickname to use on a future brother
2008-04-13 17:56 < Antibuddha> it
2008-04-13 17:56 < Antibuddha> is a very good book!
2008-04-13 17:56 < Cream> Pilotguy, what frat are you in?
2008-04-13 17:57 < Pilotguy> Cream: s/frat/fraternity
2008-04-13 17:57 < Pilotguy> and /whois Pilotguy
2008-04-13 17:57 < Antibuddha> im going to reread animate and inanimate
2008-04-13 17:57 < Cream> TethaXi
2008-04-13 17:57 < Fennec> Pilotguy: what's that?
2008-04-13 17:57 < Pilotguy> close enough
2008-04-13 17:57 < Pilotguy> what's what?
2008-04-13 17:58 < nsh> {!""!}
2008-04-13 17:58 < nsh> ;';pq;';
2008-04-13 17:58 < Cream> in Montreal
2008-04-13 17:58 < Cream> frats are rare
2008-04-13 17:58 < Rinn> Cream: The taxi?
2008-04-13 17:58 < Pilotguy> indeed
2008-04-13 17:58 < Cream> lol
2008-04-13 17:58 < Cream> nope
2008-04-13 17:58 < Cream> fraternities
2008-04-13 17:59 < Pilotguy> ;)
2008-04-13 17:59 < Cream> and i am thinking to join Delta Phi Epsilon
2008-04-13 17:59 < Cream> or Alpha Delta Phi
2008-04-13 17:59 < Cream> but i have gotten invites from Alpha Delta Phi
2008-04-13 18:00 < Pilotguy> Cream: Go with whoever
2008-04-13 18:00 < Pilotguy> Cream: It matters not.
2008-04-13 18:00 < OverlordQ> psssh, social frats ftl
2008-04-13 18:00 < Rinn> I always thought those names were really silly.
2008-04-13 18:00 < Pilotguy> s/frats/fraternities
2008-04-13 18:00 < Pilotguy> Rinn: heh, I did too
2008-04-13 18:01 < Antibuddha> i made my own fraternity, it has no name
2008-04-13 18:01 < Pilotguy> Everyone else is a frat but we are a fraternity
2008-04-13 18:01 < Cream> I just received a demonoid.com invite :D