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2008-04-13 13:02 < TheWeasel> right
2008-04-13 13:02 < notagerbil> it was that one series with Sherilynn Fenn and that dark hunk
2008-04-13 13:03 < notagerbil> And Tim Curry.
2008-04-13 13:03 * TheWeasel always considered the Daily Show some of the best typically American humor I've seen.
2008-04-13 13:03 < TheWeasel> but my knowledge is spotty
2008-04-13 13:04 < notagerbil> not far wrong there, but I was thinking situational comedy wise
2008-04-13 13:04 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-04-13 13:04 * Mww113 is off to play whack-a-vandel
2008-04-13 13:04 < TheWeasel> I've always been a huge ALF fan.
2008-04-13 13:04 < TheWeasel> that's some seriously funny stuff.
2008-04-13 13:04 < Coldstart> I liked the cartoon
2008-04-13 13:05 < Coldstart> bbl
2008-04-13 13:05 < notagerbil> TheWeasel, there are parts of Alf I like, but there is the bit that far too american things suffer from, the saccharine sentimentality....
2008-04-13 13:06 < Mww113> User:Lupin/Filter recent changes is not working!?
2008-04-13 13:06 < TheWeasel> yea, in parts
2008-04-13 13:06 < borelli> hello good evening
2008-04-13 13:06 < notagerbil> and the need to find validation for every episode in some instructional insight.
2008-04-13 13:06 < Mww113> 0_0
2008-04-13 13:06 < TheWeasel> Well, the earlier Simpsons are pretty awesome
2008-04-13 13:07 < TheWeasel> very postmodern, bits and pieces of cultural history as inside jokes
2008-04-13 13:07 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-04-13 13:08 < toresbe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koVY-zMzeVQ
2008-04-13 13:08 < TheWeasel> that's one more plus side of American comedy, it references things very smartly.
2008-04-13 13:09 < toresbe> git'r'done...
2008-04-13 13:09 < TheWeasel> now that's the lower kind of identity comedy I talked about
2008-04-13 13:09 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-04-13 13:09 < TheWeasel> alles zu seiner Zeit
2008-04-13 13:12 < TheWeasel> (everything's got its time)
2008-04-13 13:13 < tobaga> ya'll be tryin to act like i brotha dont know german
2008-04-13 13:13 < tobaga> bitches dont know about my linguistic skillz
2008-04-13 13:13 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-04-13 13:13 < Ceiling_Cat> You must be this feline: <--------- =^o.o^= ---------> to talk in the channel
2008-04-13 13:14 < TheWeasel> Angela Merkel would probably say "sküllz"
2008-04-13 13:15 < Darth_Oompy> Hello.
2008-04-13 13:15 < Mww113> ••••• <<?
2008-04-13 13:15 < Mww113> thats weird
2008-04-13 13:15 < TheWeasel> >>!
2008-04-13 13:15 < Ceiling_Cat> !<<
2008-04-13 13:16 < Mww113> >>!
2008-04-13 13:16 < Ceiling_Cat> !<<
2008-04-13 13:16 < TheWeasel> I so win.
2008-04-13 13:16 < Mww113> :)
2008-04-13 13:16 < Ceiling_Cat> There's a great quote on bash about that
2008-04-13 13:17 < Ceiling_Cat> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_channel_quotes&diff=431932&oldid=431205
2008-04-13 13:17 < TheWeasel> "Hauptzugangsverbindung"
2008-04-13 13:17 < Cyrius> I just got gnawed on by a cat
2008-04-13 13:17 < TheWeasel> that is a senseless word
2008-04-13 13:18 < TheWeasel> "Main access connection"
2008-04-13 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Cyrius - clearly you are insuffeciently feline
2008-04-13 13:18 < Cyrius> I'm now a werecat
2008-04-13 13:18 * Ceiling_Cat injects Cyrius with mutant kat DNA
2008-04-13 13:18 < Cyrius> meow
2008-04-13 13:18 < TheWeasel> catombie
2008-04-13 13:19 < Cyrius> dangit, no good superpowers
2008-04-13 13:19 < Cyrius> all I got was swiveling ears and ability to purr
2008-04-13 13:19 * TheWeasel gets Purring +1
2008-04-13 13:19 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-04-13 13:20 < Cyrius> and now gnawing cat is trying to help me type
2008-04-13 13:21 < ThePolecat> CAT NOWS MOAR ORFOGRAFI
2008-04-13 13:21 < ThePolecat> Brb
2008-04-13 13:23 * Ceiling_Cat needs someone to gnaw on
2008-04-13 13:24 < Ceiling_Cat> See also: [[WP:DELICIOUS]]
2008-04-13 13:26 < gwern> 'CITIGROUP and Merrill Lynch will heap further pain on Wall Street this week as they reveal additional sub-prime write-downs totalling $15 billion (£7.6 billion) or more.'
2008-04-13 13:26 < gwern> 'The value of leveraged loans sitting on Deutsche’s balance sheet is greater than its shareholder equity. The bank is planning to sell on the loans to the private-equity funds at a loss to free up its balance sheet, according to market sources.'
2008-04-13 13:26 < gwern> wow, and some people thought the worst was over...
2008-04-13 13:27 < Cyrius> I wonder when the stock market is going to respond to all this
2008-04-13 13:28 < gwern> Cyrius: probably on monday...
2008-04-13 13:28 < Cyrius> they haven't yet
2008-04-13 13:28 < gwern> they release this stuff on the weekend for a reason
2008-04-13 13:28 < Cyrius> I meant "all this" as in ALL this
2008-04-13 13:28 < tobaga> invest in motorcycles, face paint, and football pads TODAY!
2008-04-13 13:28 < gwern> (you know it's bad when it pops up on saturday)
2008-04-13 13:28 < Cyrius> the stock market seems to just be coasting along
2008-04-13 13:28 * gwern finds it weird as well
2008-04-13 13:34 * Ceiling_Cat pulls a cat off the street at random, and flings it at gwern
2008-04-13 13:35 < Messedrocker> SURVEY!!
2008-04-13 13:35 < Messedrocker> What is YOUR OPINION on COAXIAL CABLES!
2008-04-13 13:35 < Fennec> they're cumbersome
2008-04-13 13:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrawker - coaxial cables are (literally) inflexible and do not round corners well
2008-04-13 13:36 < Fennec> all things being equal I'd prefer an alternative
2008-04-13 13:36 < Ceiling_Cat> beyond that, they get the job done
2008-04-13 13:36 < Ceiling_Cat> See also: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=974
2008-04-13 13:36 < Ceiling_Cat> It might not be pretty, but it works
2008-04-13 13:36 < gwern> no, we need to use fiber optics everywhere!
2008-04-13 13:37 < Fennec> for sufficiently low values of 'need'
2008-04-13 13:38 < Lycurgus> there is no well defined bottom to the current bubble
2008-04-13 13:39 < Lycurgus> theoretically it's the difference between the increases in production
2008-04-13 13:39 < Lycurgus> and the failed speculation
2008-04-13 13:40 < Lycurgus> but the pricing of production or more properly the option on ownership of future production is inherently subjective.
2008-04-13 13:40 < Fennec> hmm
2008-04-13 13:40 < Lycurgus> in principle continued inreases in production could wipe out the effect of even the current extremity of mismanagement/mortmain.
2008-04-13 13:41 < Fennec> well, in the short term, this bad news is good for me because it probably means stocks are down and so when my options get priced later this week I'll get a good deal. The goodness is, of course, contingent on things shaping up sooner or later.
2008-04-13 13:42 < Lycurgus> even with the global recession IMF and others are predicting continyed growth in india and china in the 7-9 % range.
2008-04-13 13:42 < White_Cat> denelson83 around?
2008-04-13 13:43 < White_Cat> I processed the Barnstar.png and reduced it to 888 entries
2008-04-13 13:43 < Lycurgus> well I hope for a world revolution of workers that would make stock in any enterprise you werent a current or former worker in worthless.
2008-04-13 13:43 < White_Cat> I am engaging the bot some more
2008-04-13 13:44 < ThePolecat> o hai.
2008-04-13 13:44 < White_Cat> hai ga nai!
2008-04-13 13:44 < White_Cat> ThePolecat on a stick!
2008-04-13 13:44 < Ceiling_Cat> hellulz
2008-04-13 13:44 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat!
2008-04-13 13:44 * Ceiling_Cat cuddles with White_Cat
2008-04-13 13:44 < White_Cat> On a stick!
2008-04-13 13:45 < Ceiling_Cat> I finished my 16 hour thesis writing marathon at 5 in the morning
2008-04-13 13:45 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat oh
2008-04-13 13:45 < White_Cat> how unfortunate
2008-04-13 13:45 < ThePolecat> it's the song/the sigh of the clueless...
2008-04-13 13:45 < White_Cat> I was getting used to you being a student
2008-04-13 13:45 < ThePolecat> Congratulatios.
2008-04-13 13:45 < Ceiling_Cat> master's, not phd
2008-04-13 13:45 < ThePolecat> *n
2008-04-13 13:45 < White_Cat> now you are about to graduate
2008-04-13 13:45 < Ceiling_Cat> so I have a few more years yet
2008-04-13 13:45 < White_Cat> oh you will do PHD?
2008-04-13 13:45 < Ceiling_Cat> yes
2008-04-13 13:45 < White_Cat> can I be your understudy?
2008-04-13 13:45 < Ceiling_Cat> I already submitted the proposal, and it was accepted
2008-04-13 13:46 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat wow
2008-04-13 13:46 < Ceiling_Cat> that' why I'm going to the deep south this summer
2008-04-13 13:46 < White_Cat> they must really love you
2008-04-13 13:46 < ThePolecat> congrats.
2008-04-13 13:46 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat you mean ohio?
2008-04-13 13:46 < Ceiling_Cat> to study under Thomas Sterling (the guy who invented beowulf clusters)
2008-04-13 13:46 < ThePolecat> and other types of rattus rattus
2008-04-13 13:46 < Ceiling_Cat> he's famous and having his name on my CV will be good
2008-04-13 13:46 < White_Cat> beowulf clusters?
2008-04-13 13:46 * White_Cat imagines a cluster of beasts
2008-04-13 13:47 < White_Cat> Hail rothgar!
2008-04-13 13:47 < White_Cat> xD
2008-04-13 13:47 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - a beowulf cluster is a cluster of commodity computres connected by ethernet that work together to solve computationally large problems
2008-04-13 13:47 < ThePolecat> ye olde chlustren
2008-04-13 13:47 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat yes I know
2008-04-13 13:47 < White_Cat> but it is comicaly named :)
2008-04-13 13:47 < ThePolecat> P.S.: the sigh of the clueless is "lol wut?"
2008-04-13 13:48 < Lycurgus> what do you mean?
2008-04-13 13:48 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat you still havent answered my serious question on PM
2008-04-13 13:48 < White_Cat> I am still reading a BRB
2008-04-13 13:48 < White_Cat> its been a few days Dx
2008-04-13 13:48 < Ceiling_Cat> huh?
2008-04-13 13:49 < Ceiling_Cat> your question on PM?
2008-04-13 13:49 < White_Cat> -_-;
2008-04-13 13:49 < Ceiling_Cat> Ah
2008-04-13 13:52 < mib_1e5p47r8> EIFEIF9EIFE
2008-04-13 13:52 < mib_1e5p47r8> oh hai
2008-04-13 13:56 < Messedrocker> 09 F9
2008-04-13 13:58 < Ceiling_Cat> 09 F9 MA OR KA TZ UC AN NE VER HA VE EN UF
2008-04-13 13:59 < Messedrocker> CHRONO TRIGGER
2008-04-13 13:59 < Cyrius> "MAOR"?
2008-04-13 13:59 < Cyrius> tsk tsk
2008-04-13 13:59 < Messedrocker> http://chronotrigger.ytmnd.com/ << which song is this
2008-04-13 13:59 < ST47> ...
2008-04-13 13:59 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles ST47
2008-04-13 14:00 < ThePolecat> It's when you roam the countryside, just backwards.
2008-04-13 14:01 < Ceiling_Cat> is that a cat huggling your face or are you just happy to see me?
2008-04-13 14:01 < ThePolecat> "I moared and elbmard and wollofed my footsteps..."
2008-04-13 14:01 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: it's "Chrono Trigger"
2008-04-13 14:01 < Messedrocker> that's what the song is called?
2008-04-13 14:01 < Cyrius> yes
2008-04-13 14:02 < Messedrocker> thank you
2008-04-13 14:02 * Messedrocker sends Cyrius back in time
2008-04-13 14:02 < Cyrius> disc 1 track 2 of Chrono Trigger Original Sound Version
2008-04-13 14:02 < Ceiling_Cat> all right, I'm gonna go
2008-04-13 14:02 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-04-13 14:02 < Messedrocker> i wish i could stand jrpg's
2008-04-13 14:02 < Messedrocker> chrono trigger seems like such a cool game
2008-04-13 14:03 < Cyrius> what do you not like about them?
2008-04-13 14:03 < Messedrocker> way
2008-04-13 14:03 < Messedrocker> too slow
2008-04-13 14:08 < notagerbil> http://www.longtail.com/the_long_tail/2008/03/the-future-of-f.html - rofflecopter
2008-04-13 14:16 < HumbertHumbert> What's the deal with the cat from Betty Boop being named Bimbo?
2008-04-13 14:17 < Messedrocker> jimbo bimbo
2008-04-13 14:17 < Messedrocker> zim bim rimbo
2008-04-13 14:20 < ThePolecat> Ftim Bim Lim Ftang Ftang Olé Biscuitbarrel
2008-04-13 14:36 < HumbertHumbert> Jimbo Wales.
2008-04-13 14:36 < HumbertHumbert> Bimbo Whales.
2008-04-13 14:36 < HumbertHumbert> EHEEHEH.
2008-04-13 14:37 < HumbertHumbert> i r wittey
2008-04-13 14:39 * [21655] does not see the humour
2008-04-13 14:39 * [21655] is 10 times as witty as HumbertHumbert anyway
2008-04-13 14:46 < HumbertHumbert> How many of you fine gentlemen and gentlewomen in this here fine chat room collect vintage video games or video games and related gadgets in general or have any interest in doing so whatsoever?
2008-04-13 14:48 < [21655]> well, I PLAY video games
2008-04-13 14:49 < HumbertHumbert> New ones?
2008-04-13 14:49 < [21655]> yes
2008-04-13 14:49 < HumbertHumbert> Only?
2008-04-13 14:49 < HumbertHumbert> Legally or illegally?
2008-04-13 14:50 < [21655]> legally
2008-04-13 14:50 < [21655]> only
2008-04-13 14:56 < debian> Hello
2008-04-13 14:57 < debian> What is the japaneese wikipedia channel?
2008-04-13 14:57 < [21655]> wikipedia-jp?
2008-04-13 14:57 < [21655]> assuming you speak japanese (only reason why you'd ask), here you go http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%83%E3%83%88
2008-04-13 14:58 < [21655]> it's wikipedia-ja
2008-04-13 14:58 < Aqwis2> he's actually norwegian
2008-04-13 14:59 < The359> odd
2008-04-13 14:59 < The359> two Norwegians at the same time
2008-04-13 14:59 < debian> I need a japaneese name
2008-04-13 15:00 < [21655]> ?
2008-04-13 15:00 < Aqwis2> 0.07% of the world's population is Norwegian
2008-04-13 15:00 < Aqwis2> 0.7% of this channel's population is Norwegian
2008-04-13 15:00 < The359> cabal
2008-04-13 15:01 < Aqwis2> 0.8% actually
2008-04-13 15:01 < [21655]> where'd you get that, Aqwis2
2008-04-13 15:01 < Aqwis2> ?
2008-04-13 15:02 < kasper> ?
2008-04-13 15:02 < [21655]> Aqwis2> 0.07% of the world's population is Norwegian
2008-04-13 15:02 < [21655]> <Aqwis2> 0.7% of this channel's population is Norwegian
2008-04-13 15:02 < debian> Wikipedia knows
2008-04-13 15:02 < kasper> hi, wikipedians
2008-04-13 15:02 < Aqwis2> calculated them?
2008-04-13 15:03 < [21655]> ah
2008-04-13 15:03 < [21655]> yo kasper
2008-04-13 15:03 < kasper> norwegian = the norseman?
2008-04-13 15:03 < Aqwis2> wha
2008-04-13 15:03 < debian> a
2008-04-13 15:04 < kasper> do you know a folk song called the old norse?
2008-04-13 15:04 < kasper> i wish i could download it
2008-04-13 15:04 < Aqwis2> no
2008-04-13 15:05 < kasper> too bad
2008-04-13 15:07 < ThePolecat> Skal.
2008-04-13 15:09 < debian> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/World_map_of_countries_by_number_of_guns_per_residents.png
2008-04-13 15:09 < debian> The image is wrong
2008-04-13 15:09 * ThePolecat has no å
2008-04-13 15:09 < debian> The statistics is for sweeden, but norway is coloured
2008-04-13 15:09 < Aqwis2> hey, stealing my bug report are you
2008-04-13 15:10 < The359> the image looks like shit anyway. There's no actual statistics
2008-04-13 15:10 < debian> Aqwis2: I thought it was GPL, so I could use it any way I would like. Thats not stealing.
2008-04-13 15:10 < Aqwis2> no, my bug report ain't GPL
2008-04-13 15:10 < Aqwis2> my bug report is copyrighted to me, all rights reserved
2008-04-13 15:11 < debian> Aqwis2: You should spesify that then
2008-04-13 15:11 < Aqwis2> specify
2008-04-13 15:13 < ThePolecat> your bug report doesn't have the required Schöpfungshöhe
2008-04-13 15:13 < ThePolecat> to be copyrightable
2008-04-13 15:14 < ThePolecat> except if you got it to produce very creative bugs
2008-04-13 15:14 < debian> ThePolecat: I agree, it seams to be GPL, or public domain.
2008-04-13 15:15 < ThePolecat> you're not required to release bug reports at all
2008-04-13 15:15 * bumm13 NP: Grateful Dead - Truckin' (1970)
2008-04-13 15:16 < ThePolecat> oh, the Dreadful Gate.
2008-04-13 15:16 < bumm13> the Drateful Gead
2008-04-13 15:20 < HumbertHumbert> How many of you fine gentlemen and gentlewomen in this here fine chat room collect vintage video games or video games and related gadgets in general or have any interest in doing so whatsoever?
2008-04-13 15:21 < bumm13> HumbertHumbert: I've been doing that for over 10 years
2008-04-13 15:21 < bumm13> (but not so much in recent years)
2008-04-13 15:23 < debian> HumbertHumbert: Not sure what you meant, but yes.
2008-04-13 15:23 * bumm13 has an old SPARCstation 5 sitting in the adjacent room here
2008-04-13 15:23 < bumm13> I own a lot of old game consoles
2008-04-13 15:23 < Golbez> HumbertHumbert- I collect roms, does that count
2008-04-13 15:24 * ThePolecat , with Kant, postulates the existance of spime and tace, err... spame and tice.
2008-04-13 15:24 < nsh> oh noes
2008-04-13 15:25 < nsh> the melted mocca ice-cream all upons my clean t-shirt
2008-04-13 15:25 < nsh> who will rescue me from this vile vilianry
2008-04-13 15:26 < ThePolecat> no rescue from dastardly desaster today.
2008-04-13 15:26 < bumm13> nor from Muttley
2008-04-13 15:27 < Ra> good day everyone
2008-04-13 15:27 < bumm13> hi
2008-04-13 15:27 < Ra> hello bumm13
2008-04-13 15:27 < Ra> would you like to read the reveal?
2008-04-13 15:28 < bumm13> huh?
2008-04-13 15:28 < Ra> it involves biblical figures
2008-04-13 15:28 < bumm13> not sure what you are talking about
2008-04-13 15:28 < Ra> it must not be given against will
2008-04-13 15:28 < bumm13> ok....
2008-04-13 15:29 < Ra> where you from
2008-04-13 15:29 < bumm13> Earth :)
2008-04-13 15:29 < Ra> from where in here? :)
2008-04-13 15:29 < ThePolecat> Land.
2008-04-13 15:29 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-04-13 15:29 < Ra> kk :)
2008-04-13 15:29 < Ra> im currently in asia minor
2008-04-13 15:31 < Ra> today I will share esoteric information for you
2008-04-13 15:31 < Ra> for this channel, for wikipedia, and for everyone who's interested on information and theories
2008-04-13 15:33 < Ra> first, what is the main obsticle between christianity and islam?
2008-04-13 15:33 < bumm13> oil
2008-04-13 15:33 < Ra> sure that too
2008-04-13 15:33 < Aqwis2> nothing
2008-04-13 15:33 < SWATJester> Could we not?
2008-04-13 15:35 < Ra> but it's the question of the crusifixion. christianity states jesus was on the cross, islam states judas was on the cross
2008-04-13 15:35 < Ra> how can these religion come to gether unless they solve the issue?
2008-04-13 15:35 < Ra> surely they cant just fight for centurias about it, claiming being right
2008-04-13 15:36 < Ra> this is where modern science comes to light it's the only way to know the truth
2008-04-13 15:37 < Ra> 2 billion christians and 1,5 muslims believe on these things
2008-04-13 15:37 < Ra> 1,5 billion*
2008-04-13 15:37 < Aqwis2> neither of them were crusified imho
2008-04-13 15:38 < Ra> Aqwis2, it's a good viewpoint but the other one was
2008-04-13 15:38 < Netsniper> science can't combat supersition
2008-04-13 15:38 < Netsniper> superstition
2008-04-13 15:39 < Netsniper> two incompatible schools of thought, with no common ground with which to supplant the other
2008-04-13 15:39 < Ra> to answer the cusified person question between the religions, is answered by modern research, if jesus didnt born out of virgin, who was he?
2008-04-13 15:39 < Aqwis2> someone said jesus was a guru
2008-04-13 15:39 < ThePolecat> "Islam" itself doesn't teach the substitution theory.
2008-04-13 15:40 < ThePolecat> it's only certain sects
2008-04-13 15:40 < Ra> the uncanonized gospel that is the only source about the birth and early life of jesus is known to be false by modern bible research
2008-04-13 15:40 < debian> Why have a comersilized school? Where the books are written by the big companies, they have their hidden statements. They use the absense of learning to manipulate childre.
2008-04-13 15:41 < Aqwis2> oh my god, debian
2008-04-13 15:41 < Aqwis2> please
2008-04-13 15:41 < Aqwis2> don't
2008-04-13 15:41 < ThePolecat> Ah...subliminal messaging
2008-04-13 15:41 < ThePolecat> o.o
2008-04-13 15:41 < Fennec> when the books are written by the government, they have their hiddenstatements. They use the absence of learning to manipulate children.
2008-04-13 15:41 < Fennec> When the books are written by paranoid parents, they have their hidden statements. They use the absence of learning ... etc etc
2008-04-13 15:41 < debian> ThePolecat: Why do you think the goverment doesn't write its own books?
2008-04-13 15:42 < debian> The goverment would be betther than the publishers.
2008-04-13 15:42 < Aqwis2> the government isn't a person, it can't write books
2008-04-13 15:42 < ThePolecat> Me?
2008-04-13 15:42 < ThePolecat> That for one.
2008-04-13 15:42 < Aqwis2> textbook authors write books
2008-04-13 15:42 < ThePolecat> It can choose books for use in schools.
2008-04-13 15:42 < ThePolecat> (in various forms)
2008-04-13 15:42 < Fennec> close enough
2008-04-13 15:42 < Ra> by false I mean the gospel was not written by who it was claimed to be written and it was written several tens of years after it was originally claimed written
2008-04-13 15:42 < Aqwis2> corporations have no ability to write books either
2008-04-13 15:42 < debian> You can't leave childrens minds in to the hands of a company only intrested in earning money.
2008-04-13 15:42 < ThePolecat> Ra: You're not going to shock anyone with that.
2008-04-13 15:43 < Aqwis2> debian, examples?
2008-04-13 15:43 < debian> Aqwis2: The goverment wrote the laws, they surley could write a schoolbook.
2008-04-13 15:43 < Aqwis2> none of my schoolbooks claim to be written by Coca-Cola company ;|
2008-04-13 15:43 < Ra> I promised I would share esoteric information with you, you might say it's pseudo and that's ok
2008-04-13 15:43 < Aqwis2> Ra, WP:NOR!
2008-04-13 15:43 < ThePolecat> it's not pseudo, but it is not esoteric either.
2008-04-13 15:43 < debian> Aqwis2: But there is images of Coca-Cola, Bill Gates, and such?
2008-04-13 15:43 < Ra> BEGINNITIO REVELATIONEM
2008-04-13 15:43 < Aqwis2> debian, wow, images of influental people in textbooks
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> DECODE BIBLIA
2008-04-13 15:44 < Aqwis2> how terrible!
2008-04-13 15:44 < ThePolecat> the Islam thing was sort of inaccurate.
2008-04-13 15:44 < ThePolecat> "bibliam"
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - Abraham is associated with the Egyptian pharaoh Amenemhat I (translates: amen is the head) who worshiped the god Amun (Amen). Abraham god then be associated with in the Abrahamic religions god as amun, amon, omon, amen and the deity aamon. Abraham/Amenemhet I
2008-04-13 15:44 * ThePolecat finds those parallels far too simple
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - Jacob = King Yakubher
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - Moses = Thutmose III
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - David = Psusennes I
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - Solomon = Siamun (translates: son of amun)
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - James = Ptolemy Philadelphus
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - Thomas Judas Didymus = Alexander Helios
2008-04-13 15:44 < debian> Aqwis2: No information about Linuz Torvald, who has actually contributed to sosicety. And since when was Coca-Cika an influental person?
2008-04-13 15:44 < Fennec> Textbooks play to the politics of the school boards approving them. In many midwestern states, these may be stereotypically right-wing-crazies, and in many other places these may be stereotypically left-wing loonies! :P
2008-04-13 15:44 < Ra> Revel - Mary Magdalene = Cleopatra Selene II (statue of liberty)
2008-04-13 15:45 < ThePolecat> it's like the Lincoln/Kennedy chain mail.
2008-04-13 15:45 < Aqwis2> debian, and companies
2008-04-13 15:45 < Aqwis2> also, Linus Torvalds is far
2008-04-13 15:45 < Aqwis2> far
2008-04-13 15:45 < Aqwis2> less
2008-04-13 15:45 < Ra> FINALIZE REVELATIONEM
2008-04-13 15:45 < Aqwis2> influental
2008-04-13 15:45 < Ra> BIBLIA CHARACTER 1
2008-04-13 15:45 < Aqwis2> than Bill Gates
2008-04-13 15:45 < Fennec> spammy
2008-04-13 15:45 < Ra> Revel - Jesus = Caesarion, Ptolemy XV, King of kings, little ceasar, Isa, Jesus
2008-04-13 15:45 < Ra> The son of Julius Ceasar / Divine Julius and Clepatra VII / Goddes Isis
2008-04-13 15:45 < Ra> Married to his half sister at "wedding in cana"
2008-04-13 15:45 < debian> He is more important, he would help the economy. He have actually helped the world. While the companies, like the publishers, is only intresed in earning money.
2008-04-13 15:46 < ThePolecat> I think the addiction to patterns is the basis of all conspiracy theories.
2008-04-13 15:46 < Aqwis2> debian, but the economy is about earning money
2008-04-13 15:46 < Ra> REVEL: judas/alexander helios was the one who was crusified
2008-04-13 15:46 < Fennec> ra: sounds generally inconsistent with even the least disputed historical aspects of the Bible.
2008-04-13 15:46 < Fennec> and surrounding events.
2008-04-13 15:46 < Ra> thats why cesarion had wounds healed after 3 days of "death"
2008-04-13 15:46 < debian> They doesn't hiligth the bad things, like Coca-Cola company is stealing water. Microsoft makes malicious software easy to make.
2008-04-13 15:47 < Aqwis2> debian, you want textbooks that specifically don't promote capitalists
2008-04-13 15:47 < Fennec> sounds like you want to push your own leftwingish agenda in there too.
2008-04-13 15:47 < Aqwis2> you don't live in a communist country
2008-04-13 15:47 * ThePolecat read a very nice sentence in the Lyndon LaRouche article
2008-04-13 15:47 < ThePolecat> just a second
2008-04-13 15:47 < Fennec> everyone wants a slice of the action
2008-04-13 15:47 < Ra> I thank you for reading this peace of theory
2008-04-13 15:47 < debian> Why would we want our children to know about Coca-Cola? Bad for their healt, and bad for our economy. Why would we want them to use MS windows? It is poorley written software, and also bad for the economy.
2008-04-13 15:48 < Ra> there's one left, may I?
2008-04-13 15:48 < Aqwis2> coca-cola is certainly not bad for our economy
2008-04-13 15:48 < debian> Norway is throwing money away on software that is bad.
2008-04-13 15:48 < Fennec> debian: if you want to pass moral judgement on the things kids learn about, have some kids, and raise 'em.
2008-04-13 15:48 < ThePolecat> "LaRouche possessed a marvelous ability to place any world happening in a larger context, which seemed to give the event additional meaning, but his thinking was schematic, lacking factual detail and depth. It was contradictory. His explanations were a bit too pat, and his mind worked so quickly that I always suspected his bravado covered over superficiality. He had an answer for everything....
2008-04-13 15:48 < ThePolecat> ...Sessions with him reminded me of a parlor game: present a problem, no matter how petty, and without so much as blinking his eye, LaRouche would dream up the solution."
2008-04-13 15:48 < Fennec> >.>
2008-04-13 15:48 < debian> Aqwis2: Import is bad for our economy
2008-04-13 15:48 < ThePolecat> I recuse myself.
2008-04-13 15:48 < Ra> anyone?
2008-04-13 15:48 < Aqwis2> debian, are you on crack?
2008-04-13 15:48 < Aqwis2> no, you're not
2008-04-13 15:48 < Aqwis2> you're just clueless.
2008-04-13 15:49 < ThePolecat> yay for isolationism
2008-04-13 15:49 < ThePolecat> yay Ron Paul
2008-04-13 15:49 < ThePolecat> boo sanity
2008-04-13 15:49 < Aqwis2> meld deg inn i SP allerede
2008-04-13 15:49 < Ra> did you knew, Bill Clinton is descent of Rotchild family and they are descents of all the way to emperor Nero. Hillary Rodham is anagram for the woman who rides the beast(clinton-nero)
2008-04-13 15:49 < ThePolecat> sanity is so pre-9/11
2008-04-13 15:50 * ThePolecat would quote that acquaintance of LaRouche again, but nobody reads it anyway.
2008-04-13 15:50 < Ra> during the reign of the woman USA will collapse into a civil war. this tension and the two camps that are forming in at the democratic party is a path to a divided USA
2008-04-13 15:50 < Aqwis2> Ra, stop being a personification of paranoia
2008-04-13 15:50 < debian> Aqwis2: Why would it be bad to waste our money on Coca-Cola (sending money to the US), and making the general population unhealty. Is treating the deciases caused from Coca-Cola free to treat? Is it good for our economy to have sick and overweight people? Who is the clueless person here?
2008-04-13 15:50 < Ra> One of the candidates should quit soon before america is too divided
2008-04-13 15:50 < Fennec> Ra: someone was just saying the other day that everyone alive 5000 years ago is either the ancestor of everyone living today, or no one living today. While objections were raised, it does indeed seem likely that all of us have some ancestors back to Nero, including the Clintons.
2008-04-13 15:51 < ThePolecat> anagram games are especially idiotic.
2008-04-13 15:51 < Aqwis2> debian, "sending money to the US" as you call it is what the world economy work
2008-04-13 15:51 < Aqwis2> *what makes the
2008-04-13 15:51 < debian> Aqwis2: But we dont have to give it to them for free
2008-04-13 15:51 < Aqwis2> we don't give it to them for free
2008-04-13 15:52 < debian> We should get something of actual value to our Nation
2008-04-13 15:52 < gwern> I have always scorned anagrams (mostly because I suck at them)
2008-04-13 15:52 < Ra> Well anyway, that's all I got to say
2008-04-13 15:52 < Aqwis2> we trade money for coke
2008-04-13 15:52 < ThePolecat> anagrams and acronyms just aren't the way the world works
2008-04-13 15:52 < Fennec> forget anagrams
2008-04-13 15:52 < Fennec> go for palindromes!
2008-04-13 15:52 < Aqwis2> debian, why the capitalised N?
2008-04-13 15:52 < Fennec> a man, a plan, a canal, PANAMA!
2008-04-13 15:52 < Fennec> It must be true!!
2008-04-13 15:52 < ThePolecat> North Korea is doing heckuva job at "getting something of actual value"
2008-04-13 15:52 < Aqwis2> i still don't think AUF is the right organization for you
2008-04-13 15:52 < debian> Aqwis2: They sell us a product that makes people sick, we do not need it.
2008-04-13 15:52 < ThePolecat> who is "we"
2008-04-13 15:52 < Ra> fennec, lol thats not the how the research was/is done
2008-04-13 15:53 < ThePolecat> are you advocating a planned economy?
2008-04-13 15:53 < debian> And MS Windows makes our computers "sick"
2008-04-13 15:53 < Aqwis2> yes, ThePolecat
2008-04-13 15:53 < debian> ThePolecat: Norway
2008-04-13 15:53 < debian> No
2008-04-13 15:53 < Fennec> Ra: that was a joke, son
2008-04-13 15:53 < Aqwis2> he's member of a socialist youth organization
2008-04-13 15:53 < debian> I say, we should get something usefull for our money
2008-04-13 15:53 < ThePolecat> Afaik, Coca-Cola sells in Norway.
2008-04-13 15:53 < debian> Like Joint Stealth Fighters
2008-04-13 15:54 < Ra> fenec, heh ok
2008-04-13 15:54 < Aqwis2> debian, if you want people to not "waste their money" on Coca-Cola, you'll have to make each individual not buy their products
2008-04-13 15:54 < debian> They we can actualy use
2008-04-13 15:54 < ThePolecat> "List of abbreviations in use in 1911"
2008-04-13 15:54 < ThePolecat> Dumbest. Article. Ever.
2008-04-13 15:54 < Aqwis2> make Coke illegal is not the right way to do it
2008-04-13 15:54 < Aqwis2> *making
2008-04-13 15:54 < Ra> THE WIFE OF JESUS THE MOTHER OF MEROVINGIAN CLAN http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=statue+of+liberty&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
2008-04-13 15:54 < debian> Aqwis2: We limit the import on alcohol, why not do this on other things?
2008-04-13 15:54 < ThePolecat> Do you?
2008-04-13 15:54 < ThePolecat> Import?
2008-04-13 15:54 < Fennec> For better or worse, a "nanny state" (ZOMG BUZZWORD!!!) is not particularly feasible, and I contend it is undesirable.
2008-04-13 15:55 < Aqwis2> do we?
2008-04-13 15:55 < Ra> Infact, USA is a crownland of euro-elite
2008-04-13 15:55 < debian> ThePolecat: Norway import alcohol, but only the goverment is allowed to sell it.
2008-04-13 15:55 < debian> Aqwis2: Yes
2008-04-13 15:55 * ThePolecat wants safe booze, has nothing against booze
2008-04-13 15:55 < gwern> it's strnage to note how left-handed fencers have an advantage
2008-04-13 15:55 < Fennec> debian: Most American economists are of the opinion that free trade is among the most important things for the continued health of the nation's economy.
2008-04-13 15:55 < gwern> an unusual instance of lefties being better off
2008-04-13 15:55 < ThePolecat> That's restriction of sale, entirely different matter.
2008-04-13 15:55 < Aqwis2> debian, that hardly stops anyone from buying alcohol
2008-04-13 15:55 < SWATJester> gwern, in Foil maybe
2008-04-13 15:56 < Aqwis2> restrict too much trade, and we become a closed communist country
2008-04-13 15:56 < debian> So you think we should give companies free advertising?
2008-04-13 15:56 < Aqwis2> no
2008-04-13 15:56 < Aqwis2> nonono
2008-04-13 15:56 < Aqwis2> you're the brainwashed one here
2008-04-13 15:56 < debian> Mabe have some images of happy people drinking vodka?
2008-04-13 15:56 < Aqwis2> yes, actually there is a picture of a russian drinking vodka in one of my textbooks
2008-04-13 15:56 * ThePolecat thinks class struggle has been smartly outsourced, but has absolutely no doubt that trade is desirable.
2008-04-13 15:57 < debian> Aqwis2: Why? What relevance does this have too your learning
2008-04-13 15:57 < debian> Fennec: And look how well that isorking out for you.
2008-04-13 15:57 < Aqwis2> learning about the most important concepts, people and corporations in the world is a very important step in actually understanding the world
2008-04-13 15:57 < Aqwis2> if you only get to know about "desireable" stuff, you don't understand the world
2008-04-13 15:57 < debian> Fennec: USA's economy is going sooo well
2008-04-13 15:57 < ThePolecat> That is a sweeping statement.
2008-04-13 15:58 < ThePolecat> the US's economy is going badly, but not because of foreign trade.
2008-04-13 15:58 < Fennec> debian: mmm, you blame moral hazard related to mortgage default risk on free trade?
2008-04-13 15:58 < debian> Fennec: No, on bad, commersilized text-books
2008-04-13 15:58 < ThePolecat> Non sequitur.
2008-04-13 15:59 * ThePolecat blames it on too little banking oversight and unrealistic lifestyles, not on foreign trade, free or not
2008-04-13 15:59 < Fennec> I think it's safe to say that mortgage risk underpricing issues were not induced by textbooks.
2008-04-13 15:59 < debian> Aqwis2: How many images of people drinking water?
2008-04-13 15:59 < Aqwis2> several, probably
2008-04-13 15:59 < debian> Fennec: Thats what they want you to belive
2008-04-13 15:59 < ThePolecat> This is ridiculous.
2008-04-13 16:00 < ThePolecat> I can understand you fear hidden advertising, but then you'll have to point out instances of it.
2008-04-13 16:00 < ThePolecat> But you're making sweeping statements that haven't got any sort of basis in reality thus far.
2008-04-13 16:00 < Aqwis2> let me get this straight for you, debian: there is no capitalist conspiracy that brainwashes you through your textbooks
2008-04-13 16:00 < ThePolecat> and I'm not a free-market capitalist.
2008-04-13 16:00 < Fennec> debian: I fail to understand any causal relationship between "textbook" and "mortgage risk underpricing"
2008-04-13 16:00 < debian> Aqwis2: You cannot prove that statement
2008-04-13 16:00 < nokmar> no, it's the terrorists brainwashing us
2008-04-13 16:00 < Aqwis2> debian, you can't prove the opposite
2008-04-13 16:00 < nokmar> they're all trying to get our children to kill us
2008-04-13 16:01 < ThePolecat> He doesn't have to.
2008-04-13 16:01 < ThePolecat> Yea.
2008-04-13 16:01 < nokmar> we must kill our children!
2008-04-13 16:01 < Aqwis2> debian, no, i don't have to
2008-04-13 16:01 < debian> nokmar: There is no terrorist, thats what the text-books want you to belive
2008-04-13 16:01 < ThePolecat> "but in these terrorizing times of terror..."
2008-04-13 16:01 < Aqwis2> he claimed that they were brainwashing their readers
2008-04-13 16:01 < debian> They are
2008-04-13 16:01 < ThePolecat> Oh, now it's getting interesting.
2008-04-13 16:01 < debian> Images we see, logos we recognize we purchase.
2008-04-13 16:01 < Aqwis2> debian, it seems to me that you are the one swallowing AUF propaganda whole
2008-04-13 16:02 < Fennec> debian: I contend that most people do not enter into mortgages based on information they recieve in textbooks, nor do mortgage brokers offer them based on information from textbooks, mortgage securitization agencencies do not rely on the suggestions of textbooks, and federal regulators don't rely on the suggestions of textbooks.
2008-04-13 16:02 < ThePolecat> Amen.
2008-04-13 16:02 < debian> If we see a logo in a text-book, then we will probably buy that product.
2008-04-13 16:02 < Aqwis2> no
2008-04-13 16:02 < Aqwis2> not at all.
2008-04-13 16:02 < Fennec> Quick! What's the logo for Fannie Mae?
2008-04-13 16:02 < ThePolecat> What does that have to do with mortgage lending?
2008-04-13 16:02 < Aqwis2> they are in the text books because people buy the products
2008-04-13 16:02 < ThePolecat> Fannie Mae doesn't sell here.
2008-04-13 16:02 < Aqwis2> they don't buy the products because the logos are in the text books
2008-04-13 16:02 < Fennec> Freddie Mac?
2008-04-13 16:03 < ThePolecat> Neither.
2008-04-13 16:03 < debian> Why do then companies use millions on making their logos fameous?
2008-04-13 16:03 < Fennec> (tip! it's a HOUSE!)
2008-04-13 16:03 < ThePolecat> Citibank is the only American bank here I know of.
2008-04-13 16:03 < debian> Why do they even bother having logos if they dont work?
2008-04-13 16:03 < Aqwis2> they work
2008-04-13 16:03 < Ra> gtg, bye bye
2008-04-13 16:03 < Aqwis2> but some "capitalist conspiracy" wanting to brainwash us into buying their products is not the reason for them to be in our textbooks
2008-04-13 16:03 < debian> If we get more exspsure of them, we are more likley to buy the products.
2008-04-13 16:04 < Aqwis2> it's not the government's job to decide whether or not we should buy Coca Cola's products anyway
2008-04-13 16:04 < ThePolecat> What company are your textbooks from?
2008-04-13 16:04 < Fennec> debian: Which textbooks are liable to contain an overabundance of corporate logos and trademarks? Math, science, history, what?
2008-04-13 16:04 < Fennec> Latin?
2008-04-13 16:04 < debian> Aqwis2: Then tell me, why are they there? This could easily be showed without the logos.
2008-04-13 16:04 < Aqwis2> social sciences probably
2008-04-13 16:04 < Aqwis2> debian, they are there because they are important to how the world works
2008-04-13 16:04 < Aqwis2> period.
2008-04-13 16:04 < debian> Fennec: Science, geology, history
2008-04-13 16:04 < nokmar> guys, be quiet
2008-04-13 16:04 < ThePolecat> LATIFVNDIAE BANCA
2008-04-13 16:04 < Fennec> Geology textbooks?
2008-04-13 16:04 < nokmar> paranoia is way more common than you think
2008-04-13 16:04 < Aqwis2> corporations are extremely important to the world economy
2008-04-13 16:04 < debian> Fennec: In norway we have it
2008-04-13 16:04 < nokmar> you do not need to address it
2008-04-13 16:05 < ThePolecat> Religion has a pretty strong corporate identity.
2008-04-13 16:05 < debian> Aqwis2: A page containg their logo in a textbook is not!
2008-04-13 16:05 < Aqwis2> actually it's a geography text book, debian
2008-04-13 16:05 < Aqwis2> debian, non seq.. whatever
2008-04-13 16:05 < Aqwis2> nokmar is right - this is pointless
2008-04-13 16:05 < debian> Why?
2008-04-13 16:06 < Aqwis2> because you have swallowed too much AUF propaganda which makes me unable to discuss properly with you
2008-04-13 16:06 < debian> I am adressing an important problem in the world
2008-04-13 16:06 < nokmar> we are ignoring you
2008-04-13 16:06 < debian> I have barly ready any AUF stuff
2008-04-13 16:06 < Fennec> debian: I contend that the presence or absence of a logo in a textbook is insubstatial in relationship to their presence elsewhere, and that furthermore most students are not particularly fond of their textbooks anyway, and do not use them in any substantial capacity to make future purchasing decisions.
2008-04-13 16:06 < ThePolecat> well, "swallowing propaganda" is not the problem
2008-04-13 16:07 < ThePolecat> the problem is discussing something cloudily
2008-04-13 16:07 < ThePolecat> and unspecifically
2008-04-13 16:07 < debian> Fennec: But if you study you have to see it, alot.
2008-04-13 16:07 < Aqwis2> the essence of what i'm saying is:
2008-04-13 16:07 < Fennec> Compared to if, say, you watch television?
2008-04-13 16:07 < debian> Why shouldn't the students benefit from this?
2008-04-13 16:08 < Aqwis2> - corporations are important to the world and their logos is what identify these corporations
2008-04-13 16:08 < debian> Fennec: There the companies pays
2008-04-13 16:08 < ThePolecat> Well, TV isn't held to the same standard, obviously.
2008-04-13 16:08 < Aqwis2> - it is not the government's job to decide whether or not the products of these corporations are "positive" or "negative"
2008-04-13 16:08 < Aqwis2> (-"or not")
2008-04-13 16:08 < ThePolecat> I mean, it is a problem. To call it a conspiracy is impossible to argue IMHO.
2008-04-13 16:08 < ThePolecat> It is.
2008-04-13 16:08 < debian> TV is paid for by advertising, why should companies get free advertising in text books?
2008-04-13 16:08 < Aqwis2> shouldn't be
2008-04-13 16:08 < ThePolecat> Schools teach that cigarettes are bad for a reason.
2008-04-13 16:09 < Fennec> Of ALL the problems in a society one could address, I think an overabundance of corporate logos in textbooks would rank pretty low on my list
2008-04-13 16:09 < ThePolecat> and of course a tobacco company shouldn't issue biology books
2008-04-13 16:09 < debian> I cannot see a more important problem in norway
2008-04-13 16:09 < ThePolecat> but logos in a book?
2008-04-13 16:09 < Aqwis2> i am not arguing for the right of companies to sponsor textbooks
2008-04-13 16:09 < Aqwis2> but if a corporation is very important to how the world functions, they should be covered in the text books
2008-04-13 16:09 < ThePolecat> That happens, of course.
2008-04-13 16:09 < debian> Aqwis2: They should, if I got the book for free it would be OK to be a little brainwashed.
2008-04-13 16:09 < Aqwis2> not in Norway, ThePolecat - yet
2008-04-13 16:10 < ThePolecat> Will never, here, at least not without a thorough review
2008-04-13 16:10 < Fennec> I contend that there are more pressing influences which affect the education of children, including lobbying by groups (with similar ideas to debian here) to influence the educational process in an attempt to incline children towards or away from a particular moral standard.
2008-04-13 16:10 < ThePolecat> I thought we were discussing that kind of extreme case.
2008-04-13 16:11 < ThePolecat> That's true, so neither should lobbying groups write textbooks.
2008-04-13 16:11 < debian> How can poluting childrens minds be less important than anything?
2008-04-13 16:11 < ThePolecat> Any studies on the effects of that mild sort of "pollution"?
2008-04-13 16:11 < quanticle|away> Fennec: Arguably, the educational process will be influenced by whoever administers it, regardless of efforts to ensure otherwise.
2008-04-13 16:12 < debian> This is the same people that will sitt with the button to launch nuclear weapons. Would you want them to use MS Windows in nuclear warheads?
2008-04-13 16:12 < ThePolecat> That's nonsense.
2008-04-13 16:12 < Aqwis2> it is not an "objective fact" that Microsoft's products are bad
2008-04-13 16:12 < quanticle> debian: If it can be proven that Windows will get the job done, then sure, why not. Operating systems are tools, not ideologies.
2008-04-13 16:12 < ThePolecat> When did Coca-Cola get the nuke?
2008-04-13 16:12 < Fennec> sounds like a stretch to me.
2008-04-13 16:12 < Aqwis2> coca-cola nuke with microsoft software
2008-04-13 16:12 < Aqwis2> hehe.
2008-04-13 16:12 < quanticle> ThePolecat: Since Pepsi Cola got bioweapons.
2008-04-13 16:13 < debian> quanticle: GNU/Linux is a part of an ideology
2008-04-13 16:13 < ThePolecat> Maybe they can paint the moon red and put their logo on it.
2008-04-13 16:13 < ThePolecat> yea, the West Nile Cinammon strain.
2008-04-13 16:13 < quanticle> debian: Nope. GNU is an ideology. Linux is an operating system kernel.
2008-04-13 16:13 < ThePolecat> also Caffein Free Smallpox
2008-04-13 16:13 < debian> quanticle: Based on an ideology
2008-04-13 16:13 < ThePolecat> So?
2008-04-13 16:13 < Aqwis2> debian, textbooks preaching about Linux being Good and Windows being Bad is also brainwashing, like it or not
2008-04-13 16:14 < debian> Aqwis2: You should have the pros and cons of both, if you menition either of them.
2008-04-13 16:14 < Fennec> "We can't have images of the Windows logo in our textbooks because our children, future military policymakers in 30-40 years, will recall those textbooks and, by their influence, turn to Microsoft Windows as their choice for operating system in nuclear missiles, and blow the world up."
2008-04-13 16:14 < Fennec> that, sir
2008-04-13 16:14 < Aqwis2> debian, disregarding the fact that Windows has at least 90% market share?
2008-04-13 16:14 < Aqwis2> WP:UNDUE ;)
2008-04-13 16:14 < debian> Fennec: Are you quoting someone?
2008-04-13 16:14 < Fennec> is what we refer to as a stretch.
2008-04-13 16:14 < ThePolecat> Aqwis2: The good kind of brainwashing, like the East German army was the Army of Peace
2008-04-13 16:14 < quanticle> debian: Where the tool comes from is immaterial. The question is (or rather should be) "Does the tool do the job I need it to?"
2008-04-13 16:14 < debian> Aqwis2: Not in servers
2008-04-13 16:15 < Aqwis2> debian, like the students care about servers
2008-04-13 16:15 < debian> quanticle: Windows doesnt
2008-04-13 16:15 < Aqwis2> debian, sure it does
2008-04-13 16:15 < Aqwis2> windows is not as bad as you make it out to be
2008-04-13 16:15 < Fennec> debian: I was not quoting anyone, but I was making reference to and mocking your earlier objections.
2008-04-13 16:15 < quanticle> debian: Arguably, you're wrong. Ever tried to do professional photo or video editing on Linux? There's a reason that pros use Windows (or more likely) OSX.
2008-04-13 16:15 < debian> Aqwis2: Servers is more important for the "world economy" who you talk so kindly of.