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2008-04-10 19:45 < Rinn> Free gold! Just what I need!
2008-04-10 19:45 < tobago> dude. it was a scam
2008-04-10 19:45 < tobago> no free gold
2008-04-10 19:46 < Rinn> What?!
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2008-04-10 19:46 < tobago> no scam
2008-04-10 19:46 < tobago> 150 free gold!
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2008-04-10 19:47 < Rinn> Well I'll just take your dog instead.
2008-04-10 19:47 < tobago> It can't be! The magic word was dog!
2008-04-10 19:47 < tobago> You must be...
2008-04-10 19:47 < tobago> ...the chosen one!
2008-04-10 19:47 < Rinn> Well, duh. I DO have the badge.
2008-04-10 19:48 < tobago> Come to #Wikipedia-rps immediately for your 1500 ChosenOne gold1
2008-04-10 19:48 < tobago> or 150,000 ChosenOne Jr. silver.
2008-04-10 19:48 < tobago> Your choice.
2008-04-10 19:48 < Rinn> But I need to shine my Chosen One badge. I can't be bothered joining channels while important work needs to be done.
2008-04-10 19:49 < tobago> Join or I blow up the server.
2008-04-10 19:49 < Rinn> That's okay, I don't like it much anyway.
2008-04-10 19:49 < tobago> Careful, I have experience aplenty in van explosivity.
2008-04-10 19:50 < Rinn> Vans?! You're mad!
2008-04-10 19:50 < Cream> bbl
2008-04-10 19:51 * wubrgamer is away: away
2008-04-10 19:53 < Thisisborin9> ...
2008-04-10 19:56 < Rinn> Thisisborin9 --> Is Shit-bin Or 9
2008-04-10 20:09 < Lubaf> Does Megaman 3's Top Spin hold the record for lamest powerup ever?
2008-04-10 20:10 < Lubaf> No, wait, Wizards and Warriors' Invisibility Cloak holds that record.
2008-04-10 20:10 < Cyrius> eh?
2008-04-10 20:11 < Lubaf> Cyrius: Top Spin was a melee weapon in a game all about staying at range.
2008-04-10 20:11 < Cyrius> asking about the invisibility cloak
2008-04-10 20:11 < Lubaf> But the Invisibility Cloak made the PC invisible... to the player.
2008-04-10 20:11 < Cyrius> hah
2008-04-10 20:12 < Messedrocker> Lubaf, what about to the enemies?
2008-04-10 20:12 < Lubaf> Messedrocker: To some of them, as well. But that hardly makes up for how bad it screws you over, given this is a platforming game by and large.
2008-04-10 20:13 < Messedrocker> kill proto-man!
2008-04-10 20:15 < Golbez> ...
2008-04-10 20:15 < Golbez> there's a sound i've never
2008-04-10 20:15 < Golbez> ever heard
2008-04-10 20:16 < Cyrius> eh?
2008-04-10 20:16 < Golbez> outside of 8:45 am on the first wednesday of every month
2008-04-10 20:16 * Golbez goes to local news to find out why the tornado alarms are blaring
2008-04-10 20:16 < Cyrius> probably because there's a tornado
2008-04-10 20:16 * Cyrius isn't sure where exactly golbez is
2008-04-10 20:17 < Golbez> cedar rapids, ia
2008-04-10 20:17 < Cyrius> tornado warning west of town
2008-04-10 20:17 < Cyrius> * THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR...
2008-04-10 20:17 < Cyrius> FAIRFAX AND CEDAR RAPIDS AROUND 800 PM CDT...
2008-04-10 20:17 < Golbez> wish i knew where fairfax was
2008-04-10 20:18 < Cyrius> THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 80 IN IOWA BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 225 AND 236.
2008-04-10 20:18 < Golbez> nice to know the sirens are nice and audible
2008-04-10 20:18 < Cyrius> THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 380 IN IOWA BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 6 AND 20.
2008-04-10 20:18 < Golbez> well i'm at 380 marker ... 19
2008-04-10 20:18 < Cyrius> oh, there we go
2008-04-10 20:18 < Cyrius> it's a different one from the one on the map I was looking at
2008-04-10 20:19 < Cyrius> http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=dvn
2008-04-10 20:19 < Golbez> thanks
2008-04-10 20:20 < Cyrius> lots of tornadoes being reported
2008-04-10 20:20 < Cyrius> not in your specific vicinity though
2008-04-10 20:21 < Cyrius> not too far away either
2008-04-10 20:21 < zocky> haha, british ISPs want money from BBC because iplayer is clogging up their pipes
2008-04-10 20:22 < Cyrius> zocky: it's not funny. that attitude is a threat to the internet
2008-04-10 20:23 < Golbez> iplayer?
2008-04-10 20:23 < Cyrius> Golbez: BBC's flash video thingy
2008-04-10 20:23 < Golbez> oy
2008-04-10 20:23 < Golbez> which attitude, the pro-neutrality or the anti-neutrality attitude?
2008-04-10 20:23 < Cyrius> anti
2008-04-10 20:23 < Cyrius> the BBC is paying for outbound traffic, the viewers are paying for inbound
2008-04-10 20:23 < Cyrius> everybody's already getting paid
2008-04-10 20:24 < Lubaf> And the ISPs are being evil sods.
2008-04-10 20:24 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-04-10 20:25 < geniice> You miss the point. Why isn't it us clogging the intertubes
2008-04-10 20:25 < Lubaf> How's urinal deuces?
2008-04-10 20:25 < geniice> we need more videos
2008-04-10 20:25 < Cyrius> how's...what?
2008-04-10 20:25 < geniice> Cyrius south park ref
2008-04-10 20:25 < Golbez> We definitely need more videos.
2008-04-10 20:25 < Golbez> the worst part is
2008-04-10 20:26 < Golbez> the weather coverage is preempting The Office.
2008-04-10 20:26 < Cyrius> Golbez: what, they haven't figured out picture-in-picture?
2008-04-10 20:26 < Golbez> I figure a tornado actual warning is worth live chat rather than a mere map in the corner. =p
2008-04-10 20:26 < Cyrius> meh, a map and a big red scroller across the bottom
2008-04-10 20:26 < Cyrius> that's plenty
2008-04-10 20:28 < Golbez> oh hey i was wrong
2008-04-10 20:28 < Golbez> i'm exit 21 on I-380
2008-04-10 20:28 < Golbez> does that mean i'm safe, cy? =p
2008-04-10 20:29 < Golbez> and furthermore, should i be sitting at my computer, staring at 4 windows? :P
2008-04-10 20:31 < geniice> http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/080410-102227
2008-04-10 20:31 < geniice> not good
2008-04-10 20:31 < Cyrius> Golbez: the animated loop shows your current warning as being a northward replacement of a prior warning
2008-04-10 20:32 < Cyrius> if the storm keeps going, they'll probably do it again
2008-04-10 20:32 < zocky> Cyrius, it's not funny, it's ridiculous. the ISPs are already charging the bandwidth to their users, and now when it's turned out that they don't actually have the bandwidth they've sold, they're trying to blackmail BBC into giving them a handout
2008-04-10 20:32 < Golbez> Cyrius- what does that mean
2008-04-10 20:32 < Cyrius> it means no, you are not safe
2008-04-10 20:32 < Golbez> oh
2008-04-10 20:32 < Golbez> i see
2008-04-10 20:32 < Cyrius> but you've probably got a bit of time before you need to run and hide in a closet or something
2008-04-10 20:33 < Golbez> pff
2008-04-10 20:33 < Cyrius> or at least get away from the windows
2008-04-10 20:33 < Golbez> all those trees outside will protect me from the wind
2008-04-10 20:33 < geniice> zocky ISPs never have as much bandwidth they sell. True unlimited is likely to go up in price in the UK
2008-04-10 20:33 < Golbez> their branches will grab the wind and stop it :o
2008-04-10 20:33 < Golbez> they couldn't possibly break and become wooden missiles
2008-04-10 20:33 < zocky> geniice, I can get 100% of the bandwidth I'm paying to my ISP at any time
2008-04-10 20:33 < Cyrius> did I ever tell you how hurricane rita broke a 90 foot pine tree off and threw it at my dad's house?
2008-04-10 20:34 < Golbez> nope
2008-04-10 20:34 < Cyrius> broke it off about 20 feet above ground
2008-04-10 20:34 < geniice> zocky and if 100% of their customers tried that at onece?
2008-04-10 20:34 < zocky> geniice, and they're building an optical network as we speak so that they'll be able to provide the bandwidth they're selling
2008-04-10 20:34 < Golbez> gosh, that's the first time i've heard weather sirens fired in anger since September 1989 in Savannah.
2008-04-10 20:34 < Cyrius> tossed it onto the house, tree slid back off, wound up pointing back toward the stump
2008-04-10 20:34 < Golbez> that storm missed.
2008-04-10 20:34 < zocky> before the end of the year, they'll up my connection to 20/20
2008-04-10 20:34 < Cyrius> the _major_ damage came from a foot of rain coming in the hole
2008-04-10 20:35 < Golbez> they were blaring the hurricane sirens all morning the day before Hugo was to hit
2008-04-10 20:35 < zocky> because they're actually investing money in their network
2008-04-10 20:35 < Golbez> good times.
2008-04-10 20:35 < Cyrius> hurricane sirens?
2008-04-10 20:35 < Golbez> yep
2008-04-10 20:35 < zocky> meanwhile, british ISPs are milking the users for cash and whining
2008-04-10 20:35 < Cyrius> never heard of hurricane sirens
2008-04-10 20:35 < Golbez> neither had I but I heard them that morning, constant
2008-04-10 20:35 < geniice> zocky well they will untill wikipedia decides that 20 meg isn't enough and starts to kick out 100 meg pngs
2008-04-10 20:35 < Golbez> which is kind of funny, since Georgia hasn't been hit with a major hurricane in over a century
2008-04-10 20:35 < Golbez> but no harm in being prepared
2008-04-10 20:36 < Golbez> ugh
2008-04-10 20:36 < Golbez> this is one thing i hate about living in the midwest
2008-04-10 20:36 < Golbez> the square counties
2008-04-10 20:36 < Cyrius> locally they've focused more on improving the roads
2008-04-10 20:36 < Golbez> how the hell am i supposed to know which of the square counties on the warning map i live in?
2008-04-10 20:36 < Golbez> at least in the rest of the country, counties have shapes
2008-04-10 20:36 < Cyrius> we had a false alarm for andrew which exposed a lot of problems that got fixed
2008-04-10 20:36 < Golbez> i can only imagine how horrible it is for people who live in the texas panhandle
2008-04-10 20:37 < geniice> zocky also they may hit problems with the canal towpaths getting full
2008-04-10 20:37 < Cyrius> you could look at a map that marks a few cities
2008-04-10 20:37 < Cyrius> like cedar rapids
2008-04-10 20:37 < Golbez> Cyrius- I can look at a map, but the point is, in North Carolina and New Mexico, I knew which county was mine without cheating. =p The map on the corner of the TV doesn't share that.
2008-04-10 20:37 < zocky> geniice, yeah, I can see how they could have problems with it. but they're their problems, not BBC's.
2008-04-10 20:37 < Cyrius> ah
2008-04-10 20:38 < geniice> zocky Maybe the BBC has brought things to a head
2008-04-10 20:39 < zocky> wikipedia, being the top site in some countries, is responsible for a sizable chunk of internet traffic in those countries
2008-04-10 20:39 < zocky> should we be paying money to german ISPs?
2008-04-10 20:40 < geniice> zocky but not sizable enough no one is complaining
2008-04-10 20:40 < Cyrius> Golbez: wth, it's supposed to start freezing there?
2008-04-10 20:40 < Golbez> Cyrius- global warming
2008-04-10 20:41 < Cyrius> hush, you know that's not how that works
2008-04-10 20:41 < Golbez> I like to joke, but I'm seriously not a big fan of the anthropogenic theory of global warming
2008-04-10 20:42 < Cyrius> all the criticisms I've seen seem to be grasping at straws
2008-04-10 20:42 < Cyrius> and often devolve into "them liberal scientists want to keep their funding"
2008-04-10 20:43 < geniice> zocky the ISPs are not going to get money from the BBC. They know this the BBC knows this but it fills space
2008-04-10 20:44 < Golbez> Cyrius- that's certainly a possibility, but what annoys me is the religious fervor people have about global warming
2008-04-10 20:44 < Golbez> blind adherence to the faith
2008-04-10 20:44 < Golbez> they don't know WHY they agree with it, but gosh darn they're sure it's real
2008-04-10 20:44 < zocky> Cyrius, the main problem with global warming is that they claim to know stuff that they can't possibly know
2008-04-10 20:44 < Golbez> especially with the hurricanes
2008-04-10 20:44 < Cyrius> Golbez: that's because everyone is stupid, and most people don't try to work past it
2008-04-10 20:44 < Golbez> the real experts all said that global warming was not responsible for Hurricane Katrina
2008-04-10 20:45 < Golbez> that certainly didn't stop the faux experts from spouting it
2008-04-10 20:45 < zocky> there's simply not enough data about climate, and the systems are way to complex to make predictions for the next 50 years
2008-04-10 20:45 < Antibuddha> you guys need to fix vista
2008-04-10 20:45 < Cyrius> hurricane katrina wasn't that bad a hurricane
2008-04-10 20:45 < Golbez> what's wrong with vista
2008-04-10 20:45 < Cyrius> man-made disaster
2008-04-10 20:45 < Cyrius> and I'm not talking about carbon dioxide emissions
2008-04-10 20:45 < Golbez> Cyrius- in the greater scheme no, it was a strong cat 5, but quite less than the monsters of Allen, Gilbert and Mitch.
2008-04-10 20:45 < Antibuddha> Golbez: i gave all its features an honest try but i had to disable each and every one of them because they conflicted with other software or with the functioning of my computer
2008-04-10 20:46 < Golbez> Antibuddha- right but
2008-04-10 20:46 < Golbez> we don't make vista
2008-04-10 20:46 < Antibuddha> you have an encyclopedia
2008-04-10 20:46 < Golbez> so how can we fix it
2008-04-10 20:46 < Golbez> indeed we do
2008-04-10 20:46 < Antibuddha> surely you can make vista work
2008-04-10 20:46 < Cyrius> Golbez: Antibuddha's an idiot
2008-04-10 20:46 < Golbez> i suggest you also write to Britannica
2008-04-10 20:46 < zocky> bill, I know you're reading this. please deal with Antibuddha's problem
2008-04-10 20:46 < Golbez> Cyrius- can't i play with him
2008-04-10 20:46 < Cyrius> just so long as you know what you're dealing with
2008-04-10 20:47 < Antibuddha> everything is green when i try to play a half life game in vista
2008-04-10 20:47 < Golbez> Cyrius- a better thing might be, blaming the whole 2005 hurricane season on global warming, which again is nothing doing
2008-04-10 20:47 < Golbez> Antibuddha- that's nice
2008-04-10 20:47 < Cyrius> Golbez: assessing the effects of global warming on hurricanes is rather premature
2008-04-10 20:47 < Antibuddha> trying to undo all the harm dell and microsoft have done to my computer is making me feel like neo trying to fight a hundred agent smiths
2008-04-10 20:47 < zocky> Golbez, just don't break him and remember to put him away after use
2008-04-10 20:48 < Cyrius> relatively few data points, and lots of confounding factors
2008-04-10 20:48 < Antibuddha> Cyrius: you dont believe in el nino?
2008-04-10 20:49 < Golbez> el nino is real
2008-04-10 20:49 < Huntster> wow, what happened on en. to cause the job queue to jump insanely?
2008-04-10 20:49 < Golbez> el nino also has nothing to do with global warming
2008-04-10 20:49 < Antibuddha> but global warming does
2008-04-10 20:49 < zocky> TheWeasel_, around?
2008-04-10 20:49 < Golbez> Antibuddha- wha
2008-04-10 20:49 < Cyrius> Golbez: it kinda seems that the storm is splitting around you
2008-04-10 20:49 < Antibuddha> have something to do with el nino
2008-04-10 20:50 < Messedrocker> oh maaann
2008-04-10 20:50 < Golbez> Antibuddha- no it doesn't. el nino existed long before we did.
2008-04-10 20:50 < Messedrocker> mrs. garrison is going back to mr. garrison
2008-04-10 20:50 * ronabop waves hands and complains about variables
2008-04-10 20:50 < Antibuddha> global warming is real
2008-04-10 20:50 < Cyrius> Golbez: the global climate has some effect on ocean currents
2008-04-10 20:50 < Antibuddha> just as real as this chatroom
2008-04-10 20:50 < Golbez> Antibuddha- prove it
2008-04-10 20:50 < Cyrius> although it's rather difficult to test just what effect
2008-04-10 20:50 < Mike5> hey Antibuddha
2008-04-10 20:50 < Antibuddha> Golbez: holes in the ozone layer
2008-04-10 20:50 < Golbez> ...
2008-04-10 20:51 < Antibuddha> hi Mike
2008-04-10 20:51 < Cyrius> Golbez: please don't argue complex issues with an idiot
2008-04-10 20:51 < Antibuddha> wikipedia says global warming is real
2008-04-10 20:51 < Golbez> i've heard a lot of crazy shit but i don't think i've ever heard someone equate global warming with the ozone hole. they're two entirely different concepts.
2008-04-10 20:51 < Antibuddha> you all need to be suspended for calling me idiot
2008-04-10 20:51 < Golbez> suspended by whom?
2008-04-10 20:52 < Cyrius> Golbez: nuclear winter has been associated with ozone destruction
2008-04-10 20:52 < Antibuddha> by the chat operator
2008-04-10 20:52 < ronabop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming is a suprisingly good article.
2008-04-10 20:52 < Golbez> Cyrius- what about pinatubo
2008-04-10 20:52 < Cyrius> don't even need to go that far, according to the new research
2008-04-10 20:52 < Golbez> Antibuddha- but i'm the chat operator
2008-04-10 20:52 < zocky> i'm the operator of my pocket calculator
2008-04-10 20:52 < zocky> does that help?
2008-04-10 20:52 < Cyrius> Golbez: I don't know, article didn't 'splain
2008-04-10 20:52 < Golbez> it's getting quite dark outside
2008-04-10 20:52 < Golbez> but then again it's 8pm
2008-04-10 20:52 < Cyrius> but it's the guys who came up with nuclear winter in the first place
2008-04-10 20:53 < Cyrius> yeah, it's getting quite dark here too =)
2008-04-10 20:53 < Golbez> the storm is supposedly 5 minutes away; i figure if it were still bad, they'd be blaring the sirens
2008-04-10 20:53 < Cyrius> and you're a bit east of me
2008-04-10 20:53 < Antibuddha> it isn't dark outside
2008-04-10 20:54 < zocky> cool, we get live commentary as Golbez's house gets blown away?
2008-04-10 20:54 < Antibuddha> the darkness is in your own mind and body
2008-04-10 20:54 < Cyrius> zocky: if
2008-04-10 20:54 < Golbez> Antibuddha, you're an idiot.
2008-04-10 20:54 < Antibuddha> ?
2008-04-10 20:54 < Cyrius> THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM THAT WAS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO HAS WEAKENED. THEREFORE THE TORNADO WARNING HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO EXPIRE.
2008-04-10 20:54 < Golbez> is this where i boot myself?
2008-04-10 20:54 < Golbez> thanks cy :)
2008-04-10 20:54 < TheWeasel_> Is it like a global thunderstorm?
2008-04-10 20:55 < TheWeasel_> 'Cause the sky is calm 'ere
2008-04-10 20:55 < zocky> TheWeasel_, ah, i wanted to ask you what you call ice saints, but apparently you call them that :)
2008-04-10 20:55 < Cyrius> TheWeasel_: Golbez had a tornado warning
2008-04-10 20:55 < TheWeasel_> die Eisheiligen
2008-04-10 20:55 < Cyrius> "ice saints"?
2008-04-10 20:55 < TheWeasel_> in June, there are some presumably cold days
2008-04-10 20:55 < zocky> Cyrius, three days in may that tend to be cold every year
2008-04-10 20:55 < TheWeasel_> called die Eisheiligen/the Ice Saints
2008-04-10 20:55 < Golbez> um.
2008-04-10 20:55 < zocky> TheWeasel_, it's may, not june
2008-04-10 20:55 < Golbez> they didn't tell the city.
2008-04-10 20:56 < TheWeasel_> okay.
2008-04-10 20:56 < Golbez> the sirens just started again.
2008-04-10 20:56 < zocky> Cyrius, in northern/central europe, that is
2008-04-10 20:56 < Golbez> also cy
2008-04-10 20:56 < Golbez> a friend of mine points out that message was horrendously passive in voice
2008-04-10 20:56 < zocky> i think i learned in school what the actual meteorlogical event was called, but I forgot
2008-04-10 20:56 < Golbez> present perfece tense, passive voice.
2008-04-10 20:56 < Golbez> perfect, rather.
2008-04-10 20:57 < TheWeasel_> GEWITTER
2008-04-10 20:57 < Cyrius> Golbez: I didn't write it.
2008-04-10 20:57 < TheWeasel_> "Gewitterwarnungen" are much more sparing in our only quasi-continental climate
2008-04-10 20:57 < Golbez> We should complain to NWS Quad Cities. =p
2008-04-10 20:57 < TheWeasel_> Quad Cities = Illinois/Iowa?
2008-04-10 20:57 * Golbez nods
2008-04-10 20:57 < TheWeasel_> oroit
2008-04-10 20:58 < Golbez> that's the nearest NWS office to Cedar Rapids
2008-04-10 20:58 < Antibuddha> i think i will kill myself in the fight to stop global warming
2008-04-10 20:58 < Antibuddha> you guys should consider reducing co2 emissions
2008-04-10 20:58 < Golbez> ah, an adherent of the church of euthenasia
2008-04-10 20:58 < Golbez> "save the world, kill yourself"
2008-04-10 20:59 < Cyrius> there's a lot of people I wish would convert to that
2008-04-10 20:59 * TheWeasel_ is very anthropocentric with regard to that
2008-04-10 21:00 < Antibuddha> you don't have to kill yourself you can just promise not to procreate and increase the burden of human life on the planet
2008-04-10 21:00 < Golbez> but if we all did that then we'd die out
2008-04-10 21:00 < Antibuddha> then earth will reach a state of pristine balance once more
2008-04-10 21:00 < Cyrius> yeah, I'm doing a pretty good job of that without even trying
2008-04-10 21:00 * Cyrius is lonely =(
2008-04-10 21:00 < Antibuddha> and there will no longer have global warming
2008-04-10 21:00 < Golbez> cy :(
2008-04-10 21:00 < Antibuddha> due to human interference
2008-04-10 21:01 < TheWeasel_> Will have global warming, just not due...
2008-04-10 21:01 < Golbez> who are you to say we aren't part of earth's balance
2008-04-10 21:02 < Cyrius> the piles of garbage assholes leave on the side of a road near my house
2008-04-10 21:02 < Antibuddha> why does everyone have to object to what i say, im starting to believe people just dont like others having opinions
2008-04-10 21:02 < Cyrius> I want to shoot them.
2008-04-10 21:02 < uberpenguin> you know, it strikes me as somewhat funny that the GTA IV commercial features a song by an artist that most of the target demographic probably has never heard of
2008-04-10 21:02 < uberpenguin> good song, though
2008-04-10 21:02 * TheWeasel_ wonders if his government will proceed to record his carbon footprints to use it against him
2008-04-10 21:02 < Golbez> oh, huh. turns out there was a tornado sighted by the airport, so the city is going on its own, ignoring NWS QC and blaring the sirens.
2008-04-10 21:02 < uberpenguin> weird to see it used in a video game commercial
2008-04-10 21:03 < Cyrius> Golbez: at least they have a reason for it
2008-04-10 21:03 < Golbez> [[The Eastern Iowa Airport]]. Pretty dumb name.
2008-04-10 21:04 * TheWeasel_ 's city will have zero airports on its territory come very soon
2008-04-10 21:04 < uberpenguin> http://mattb.alwayssleeping.com/images/theremin_14.jpg
2008-04-10 21:04 < uberpenguin> bwaha
2008-04-10 21:04 < Golbez> TheWeasel_- what city?
2008-04-10 21:04 < TheWeasel_> Berlin
2008-04-10 21:04 < Cyrius> I'm pretty sure people are going to want to fly to and from Berlin
2008-04-10 21:04 < TheWeasel_> they're closing bost West Berlin airports in favor of the old East Berlin one, which isn't in Berlin
2008-04-10 21:05 < Golbez> huh
2008-04-10 21:05 < TheWeasel_> but in the county around us
2008-04-10 21:05 < Golbez> they're closing Tegel?
2008-04-10 21:05 < Golbez> oh so they are, 2012
2008-04-10 21:05 < TheWeasel_> they are.
2008-04-10 21:05 < Cyrius> why?
2008-04-10 21:05 < TheWeasel_> Nuisance.
2008-04-10 21:05 < Golbez> i already knew Tempelhof was pretty much deserted
2008-04-10 21:05 < Cyrius> nuisance?
2008-04-10 21:05 < TheWeasel_> yea
2008-04-10 21:05 < Cyrius> I don't understand
2008-04-10 21:06 < Golbez> they're renovating Schoenfeld it seems
2008-04-10 21:06 < TheWeasel_> there's lots of buildings predating the airport underneath the approach path
2008-04-10 21:06 < Golbez> Cyrius- noise, efficiency
2008-04-10 21:07 < Golbez> berlin at present has three airports. it's not a major transit hub, so it can probably exist with one.
2008-04-10 21:07 < Golbez> actually nix that hub bit, i honestly don't know central european transit patterns
2008-04-10 21:07 < Golbez> true, the new york area has 3 airports, but new york is special. =p
2008-04-10 21:07 < TheWeasel_> It's *not* a hub
2008-04-10 21:07 < TheWeasel_> it would be terrible if it was.
2008-04-10 21:08 < Cyrius> I forget where my dad changed planes in europe when he was working in saudi arabia
2008-04-10 21:08 < TheWeasel_> Tegel is a circle-type airport
2008-04-10 21:08 < Golbez> the girlfriend just called, they're moving everyone to the middle of her office building (one exit up from the airport)
2008-04-10 21:08 < TheWeasel_> it's hell to change planes there.
2008-04-10 21:08 < Golbez> Frankfurt really is the hub for Germany.
2008-04-10 21:09 < Cyrius> that was probably it
2008-04-10 21:09 < TheWeasel_> and Munich nowadays.
2008-04-10 21:09 < Golbez> i'm told tornadoes sound like freight trains
2008-04-10 21:09 < Cyrius> Golbez: I'm reminded of the Jeff Foxworthy bit
2008-04-10 21:10 < Mike_H> Golbez: they really do
2008-04-10 21:10 * Mike_H has been through a tornado
2008-04-10 21:10 < Mike_H> hurricanes can sound that way too, though, if the winds are strong enough
2008-04-10 21:10 * Golbez hears the wind and considers it wise to close the curtains
2008-04-10 21:10 < Cyrius> uh, yeah
2008-04-10 21:11 < TheWeasel_> We've had surprisingly tame weather till now
2008-04-10 21:13 < Monobi> Golbez, no kidding.
2008-04-10 21:13 < Monobi> It's uber windy .
2008-04-10 21:16 < Golbez> where are you?
2008-04-10 21:16 < Monobi> * [Golbez] is away (-(Auto-away after 60 minutes idle...)- since -(20:25)-)
2008-04-10 21:16 < Monobi> :O
2008-04-10 21:17 < Golbez> =p
2008-04-10 21:22 < Cyrius> Golbez: so, you dead yet?
2008-04-10 21:24 < Golbez> looks like the warnings are passing north
2008-04-10 21:26 < geniice> boring
2008-04-10 21:26 < geniice> remeber if you get hit take photos
2008-04-10 21:27 < geniice> don't want another new orleans full of US millitry photos and nothing else
2008-04-10 21:27 < Messedrocker> moellin
2008-04-10 21:27 < Messedrocker> moellin
2008-04-10 21:27 < Messedrocker> moellin on the river
2008-04-10 21:27 < Cyrius> mel brooks do a CCR parody?
2008-04-10 21:28 < Messedrocker> i don't get it
2008-04-10 21:28 * Messedrocker is referencing moeller
2008-04-10 21:29 < Cyrius> moel is a spelling of mohel, the guy who does the ritual circumcision
2008-04-10 21:30 < Messedrocker> ah yes
2008-04-10 21:30 < Cyrius> how much more explanation is necessary?
2008-04-10 21:30 < Messedrocker> none sir
2008-04-10 21:30 < Cyrius> alrighty then!
2008-04-10 21:30 * Krimpet just hopes the boat doesn't run aground at the wrong time.
2008-04-10 21:35 < yao_ziyuan> who is more valuable, George Washington or Watt?
2008-04-10 21:36 < privatemusings> watt?
2008-04-10 21:36 < Cyrius> what?
2008-04-10 21:36 < privatemusings> what's on second.
2008-04-10 21:36 < privatemusings> who's on first.
2008-04-10 21:37 < Cyrius> I don't know
2008-04-10 21:38 < privatemusings> ah, so you don't know huh?....
2008-04-10 21:38 * Cyrius was expecting "third base!"
2008-04-10 21:39 < privatemusings> I'm not that kind of girl....
2008-04-10 21:39 < Lucifer_Cat> hello wikipedes!
2008-04-10 21:40 < Rinn> I like "wikipedos" better.
2008-04-10 21:41 < Gambit> >:(
2008-04-10 21:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Rinn: nah.most of them just like jailbait
2008-04-10 21:41 < Lucifer_Cat> except for Gambit
2008-04-10 21:41 < Gambit> O__O
2008-04-10 21:42 < Lucifer_Cat> who for some weird reason seems to prefer adult females
2008-04-10 21:42 < Lucifer_Cat> perv
2008-04-10 21:42 < Rinn> nokmar --> rokman
2008-04-10 21:43 < Lucifer_Cat> mokran
2008-04-10 21:43 < nokmar> nuu!
2008-04-10 21:43 < nokmar> my secret!
2008-04-10 21:43 < Lubaf> karmon?
2008-04-10 21:43 < Rinn> Mark NO
2008-04-10 21:43 < nokmar> lol
2008-04-10 21:44 < Lubaf> kram no?
2008-04-10 21:44 < Lucifer_Cat> Rinn: is that what you say to your bf everytime?
2008-04-10 21:44 < Lubaf> Nom rak?
2008-04-10 21:44 < Rinn> Mark-On! Apply directly to the forehead.
2008-04-10 21:44 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-04-10 21:44 < Lucifer_Cat> no-mark
2008-04-10 21:44 < Lubaf> Head-On! Apply directly to the annoyance center of the brain!
2008-04-10 21:44 < Lucifer_Cat> repositionable adhesives
2008-04-10 21:45 < Cyrius> loc-nar
2008-04-10 21:45 < Lucifer_Cat> also, feminine hygeine product
2008-04-10 21:45 < Lubaf> Hygene. Isn't that how you greet a guy named Gerald?
2008-04-10 21:46 < geniice> Lubaf didn't headon run into legal difficulties due to kinda not working
2008-04-10 21:47 < Cyrius> geniice: they're still advertising their products
2008-04-10 21:47 < Lucifer_Cat> geniice: most medicines kinda dont work
2008-04-10 21:47 < geniice> Lucifer_Cat> yes but most can produce evidence that they do work bettet than placebo
2008-04-10 21:47 < Cyrius> HeadOn is a wax stick
2008-04-10 21:47 < Lucifer_Cat> geniice: yeah, but you didnt mention that
2008-04-10 21:48 < Cyrius> 'The two ingredients listed as "active", white bryony (a type of vine) and potassium dichromate (a known carcinogen), are diluted to 1 ppt and 1 ppm respectively.'
2008-04-10 21:49 * Lucifer_Cat 's mom has been using a 'apply directly to the forehead' thingy for ages. not much different from a wax tht either
2008-04-10 21:49 < Golbez> my favorite placebo anecdote:
2008-04-10 21:49 < Golbez> they recently discovered expensive placebos work better than cheap ones.
2008-04-10 21:49 < geniice> Cyrius homeopathy
2008-04-10 21:49 < Lucifer_Cat> Golbez: lol
2008-04-10 21:49 < geniice> Golbez work better still if they are pink and given by a consultant
2008-04-10 21:49 < Golbez> when you're told your placebo costs $50 a pill, it works better than the ones who were told it costs $5.
2008-04-10 21:49 < Cyrius> Golbez: I remember one about wine tasting
2008-04-10 21:50 < Golbez> Cyrius- hm?
2008-04-10 21:50 < Cyrius> wine in a fancy bottle tastes better
2008-04-10 21:50 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: anything tastes better in a fancy bottle
2008-04-10 21:50 < geniice> Cyrius and potassium dichromate is still used as standard in A level chemistry
2008-04-10 21:50 < Lucifer_Cat> s/bottle/dress/thong/ same thing
2008-04-10 21:51 < geniice> Cyrius not too bad in solution but in powder form more worrying
2008-04-10 21:52 * Lucifer_Cat will be back after these messages
2008-04-10 21:52 < Golbez> "The company decided not to include any factual claims about the product in the spots after the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureaus objected to the claim that HeadOn provided "fast, safe, effective" headache relief made in an earlier spot."
2008-04-10 21:52 < Golbez> mmhmm.
2008-04-10 21:53 < Rinn> So they're basically just making annoying ads for the hell of it now?
2008-04-10 21:57 < MooingLemur> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vegetation&diff=204832271&oldid=204153730
2008-04-10 21:58 < MooingLemur> I think some of that vandalism's been there a while. If someone with a better eye than me can look over it and find anything I've missed, please do.
2008-04-10 21:59 < geniice> The Wikipedia database is temporarily in read-only mode
2008-04-10 22:01 < geniice> aparently too easy to find information on how to kill yourself online
2008-04-10 22:04 < denelson83> "HeadOn: Apply directly to the forehead"
2008-04-10 22:04 < denelson83> × 3
2008-04-10 22:04 < denelson83> Lucifer_Cat: Syntax error
2008-04-10 22:15 < Mike_H> "American Idol" said g'day to Michael Johns. The Australian-born singer was eliminated Thursday from Fox's popular singing competition as the contest was narrowed down to the top seven finalists following Wednesday's "Idol Gives Back" charity event.
2008-04-10 22:15 < Mike_H> All the enjoyment of this show is gone for me.
2008-04-10 22:16 < Golbez> idol gives back was a stupid idea last year and i doubt it improved this year
2008-04-10 22:16 < chesire_cat> hmmm
2008-04-10 22:16 < Mike_H> Golbez: The ratings were down a lot compared to it last year
2008-04-10 22:16 < Mike_H> 17 million this year
2008-04-10 22:16 < Mike_H> 26 million last year
2008-04-10 22:17 < Mike_H> I'm just really surprised that Michael Johns left
2008-04-10 22:17 < Mike_H> and had never been in the bottom three until that point
2008-04-10 22:17 < Mike_H> and was never really in danger of going there
2008-04-10 22:18 < Mike_H> and one of the suckiest singers in the competition
2008-04-10 22:18 < Mike_H> who has been in the bottom three THREE TIMES
2008-04-10 22:18 < Mike_H> has not left yet.
2008-04-10 22:22 < Mike_H> Golbez: Doesn't that Jason Castro just look like he probably smells?
2008-04-10 22:22 < denelson83> That's "American Piehole" to you
2008-04-10 22:23 < chesire_cat> apple or cherry ?
2008-04-10 22:24 < denelson83> no, poontang
2008-04-10 22:24 < geniice> {{subst:nsd
2008-04-10 22:24 < geniice> }}
2008-04-10 22:25 < Golbez> yes
2008-04-10 22:26 < Mike_H> White people aren't supposed to have Jason Castro hair.
2008-04-10 22:27 < Mike_H> It's simply not in our genetics.
2008-04-10 22:37 < Mark_Ryan> anyone feel like doing a little bit of cleanup in an article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Branch_of_the_House_of_Thurn_und_Taxis
2008-04-10 22:38 < miranda> I would, but I am inactive
2008-04-10 22:39 < Mark_Ryan> <s>inactive</s> LAZY :P
2008-04-10 22:39 < Gambit> XD
2008-04-10 22:39 < miranda> hehehehe
2008-04-10 22:41 < Gambit> Mark just blank all and stub it :P
2008-04-10 22:42 < TheWeasel_> Wow, Hungarian has awesome umlauts.
2008-04-10 22:43 < TheWeasel_> Well, one
2008-04-10 22:43 < TheWeasel_> the ö with the italic dots
2008-04-10 22:44 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: Idol is getting a lot of flack
2008-04-10 22:44 < Mike_H> for their final song choice last night
2008-04-10 22:44 < Mike_H> on the Idol Gives Back fundraiser.
2008-04-10 22:44 < Mike_H> I mean, FCC reports, serious stuff :/
2008-04-10 22:44 * TheWeasel_ looks up "flack"
2008-04-10 22:44 < Mike_H> er
2008-04-10 22:44 < TheWeasel_> ah
2008-04-10 22:44 < Mike_H> "flak"
2008-04-10 22:45 < Mike_H> or maybe I did spell it right
2008-04-10 22:45 < Mike_H> whatever
2008-04-10 22:45 < TheWeasel_> flak = air defence
2008-04-10 22:45 < miranda> I am going to make an article on mibbit, but then someone will do an AFD...so I just won't do one
2008-04-10 22:45 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: Definition #2 for flak
2008-04-10 22:45 < TheWeasel_> oh
2008-04-10 22:45 < Mike_H> 2. criticism; hostile reaction; abuse: Such an unpopular decision is bound to draw a lot of flak from the press.
2008-04-10 22:46 < TheWeasel_> Too racy?
2008-04-10 22:46 < miranda> no, prob. due to nobility
2008-04-10 22:46 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: No, if you'd believe it, the other way.
2008-04-10 22:46 < miranda> even though...it has been cited by apple, and other corps
2008-04-10 22:46 < TheWeasel_> Not racy enough is worth a complaint?
2008-04-10 22:46 < Mike_H> The contestants and groups all performed a gospel worship song.
2008-04-10 22:46 < Mike_H> "Shout to the Lord"
2008-04-10 22:46 < TheWeasel_> oh
2008-04-10 22:46 < TheWeasel_> okay
2008-04-10 22:47 < TheWeasel_> That's old, Ray Charles caused a scandal with I Got A Woman in 1955, because it was rather obviously a fast gospel
2008-04-10 22:47 < Mike_H> and the FCC reports say that the religion had no place on the show, nor should it have been a mandated song for everyone to sing.
2008-04-10 22:47 < TheWeasel_> heh...
2008-04-10 22:47 < TheWeasel_> yea, church and state
2008-04-10 22:48 < Mike_H> FCC hasn't made a comment yet
2008-04-10 22:48 < Mike_H> but those were the complaints.
2008-04-10 22:48 < The359> People give a shit what happens to American Idol?
2008-04-10 22:48 < TheWeasel_> weird. there's no separation here at all.
2008-04-10 22:49 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: It's a beautiful performance, but I highly doubt it was appropriate, nor are all of the contestants actual practicing Christians.
2008-04-10 22:49 < TheWeasel_> it's just that there's a lot of atheism on TV and IRL
2008-04-10 22:49 < TheWeasel_> weird
2008-04-10 22:49 < TheWeasel_> well, that's something between them and their churches
2008-04-10 22:49 < Mike_H> The359: It's the #1 show in the country
2008-04-10 22:49 < Mike_H> of course people care.
2008-04-10 22:49 < Mike_H> Enough to file complaints with the FCC
2008-04-10 22:49 < The359> like the country knows anything
2008-04-10 22:51 < TheWeasel_> There are lots of easily disturbed people in the US.
2008-04-10 22:51 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: Well, this is the first time in recent memory that people were complaining about too MUCH religion on network TV.
2008-04-10 22:51 < TheWeasel_> haha yea
2008-04-10 22:52 < TheWeasel_> it sounds rather tame to me.
2008-04-10 22:52 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: I'm from the South. Shout to the Lord is played on soft rock stations that aren't even remotely Christian-geared.
2008-04-10 22:52 < Fennec> zomg, gospelworship
2008-04-10 22:52 < TheWeasel_> but again, my country gives special status to mainstream protestantism and the Catholic Church in the constitution
2008-04-10 22:52 < The359> have they picked some loser yet to try and keep on?
2008-04-10 22:52 < TheWeasel_> htere's no situation
2008-04-10 22:52 < TheWeasel_> yea
2008-04-10 22:52 < Fennec> stabbitystabstabdie zwow, etc.
2008-04-10 22:52 < TheWeasel_> SEPARATIOn
2008-04-10 22:52 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: But even I was a little...uncomfortable
2008-04-10 22:53 * Fennec shakes head.
2008-04-10 22:53 < TheWeasel_> sorry, drunk
2008-04-10 22:53 < Mike_H> because I knew people would care.
2008-04-10 22:53 < TheWeasel_> weird
2008-04-10 22:53 < Mike_H> The359: Oh, you mean Vote for the Worst?
2008-04-10 22:53 < The359> whatever it is
2008-04-10 22:53 < TheWeasel_> yea, neither the gospel performance nor the FCC complaint would happen here
2008-04-10 22:53 < The359> that kept what's his name with the hair on so long
2008-04-10 22:53 < Mike_H> Yes, the current Vote for the Worst is Kristy Lee Cook, and she was saved from the Bottom 3 tonight.
2008-04-10 22:55 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: Is that show still on there?
2008-04-10 22:55 < Mike_H> Germany's Search for the Superstar?
2008-04-10 22:55 < TheWeasel_> I don't know
2008-04-10 22:55 < TheWeasel_> DSDS, yea
2008-04-10 22:55 < Mike_H> the German Idol show
2008-04-10 22:55 < TheWeasel_> I have no clue, I fear that the answer is yes.
2008-04-10 22:55 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-04-10 22:55 < Mike_H> let me check for myself
2008-04-10 22:55 < TheWeasel_> Dieter Bohlen is still on, yea.
2008-04-10 22:56 < Mike_H> The fifth season of Deutschland sucht den Superstar live shows began March 8, 2008. It is currently hosted by Marco Schreyl and jury panel, Dieter Bohlen, Anja Lukaseder, and Andreas "Bar" Lasker also star.
2008-04-10 22:56 < Mike_H> Yeah, it's currently pretty much in the same week as American Idol is (we just went down from 8 to 7, which DSDS will be doing).
2008-04-10 22:57 < TheWeasel_> I don't know the middle lady
2008-04-10 22:57 < TheWeasel_> a) was in Modern Talking in the 1980s
2008-04-10 22:57 < TheWeasel_> c) is a guy who managed an awful but successful pop-rap group in the 1990s
2008-04-10 22:58 < Mike_H> Anja Lukaseder (* 3. Mai 1967 in Wurzburg) ist eine deutsche Kunstler- und Musikmanagerin.
2008-04-10 22:58 < TheWeasel_> Mr Schreyl is a smart-looking but uninteresting guy
2008-04-10 22:58 < TheWeasel_> a German artist and musician manager
2008-04-10 22:58 < TheWeasel_> artist-manager and musicians-manager
2008-04-10 22:58 < TheWeasel_> as it were
2008-04-10 22:59 < TheWeasel_> never heard of her
2008-04-10 22:59 < TheWeasel_> she seems to organize concerts and shit.
2008-04-10 22:59 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: I'm surprised at how few performances are in German
2008-04-10 22:59 < Mike_H> and from German acts.
2008-04-10 23:00 < Mike_H> in fact, out of this whole season
2008-04-10 23:00 < Mike_H> I can only find one
2008-04-10 23:00 < Mike_H> Stark (Ich & Ich)
2008-04-10 23:00 < TheWeasel_> there are nearly no challenging songs in German that are mainstream enough to be instantly recognizable at the same time.
2008-04-10 23:00 < The359> Rock me Amadeus?
2008-04-10 23:00 < TheWeasel_> (to the intended audience, i.e. mid-aged housewives)
2008-04-10 23:01 < TheWeasel_> Too easy to sing, since it's a bad rap.
2008-04-10 23:01 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: How funny, that Idol is for housewives there
2008-04-10 23:01 < Mike_H> here it's for like teenage girls.
2008-04-10 23:01 < TheWeasel_> it is by now I'd say.
2008-04-10 23:01 < TheWeasel_> it lost mojo for younger people I think
2008-04-10 23:01 < Mike_H> Teenage girls who have nothing better to do than to call for their favorite 555 times over the two hours the lines are open.
2008-04-10 23:02 < TheWeasel_> That sort of thing is now endemic to stay-at-home moms, I believe
2008-04-10 23:02 < TheWeasel_> I may be wrong.
2008-04-10 23:02 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: Oh, stay at home moms here are still glued to the soaps
2008-04-10 23:02 < TheWeasel_> That too.
2008-04-10 23:02 < Mike_H> Young and the Restless, Days of our Lives, what have you
2008-04-10 23:02 < TheWeasel_> I honestly have no idea who watches those here.
2008-04-10 23:03 < TheWeasel_> I mean, German soaps
2008-04-10 23:03 < TheWeasel_> they had Dallas here in the 1980s and it was a big hit throughout female audiences
2008-04-10 23:03 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: Remember I told you about my friend Jennifer?
2008-04-10 23:03 < Mike_H> and Gretchen?
2008-04-10 23:03 < TheWeasel_> Yea.
2008-04-10 23:03 < Mike_H> they loved that one soap
2008-04-10 23:03 < Mike_H> shit, what was the name
2008-04-10 23:03 < TheWeasel_> hm...
2008-04-10 23:03 < Mike_H> it was like a long tongue-tied kind of name
2008-04-10 23:04 < TheWeasel_> Gute Zeiten, schlechte Zeiten
2008-04-10 23:04 < Mike_H> YES
2008-04-10 23:04 < Mike_H> that's it
2008-04-10 23:04 < TheWeasel_> that has been the No. 1 throughout the 90s and a fair bit of the 00s
2008-04-10 23:04 < Mike_H> Gute Zeiten, schlechte Zeiten (literally: Good Times, Bad Times but a more accurate translation would be The Best of Times and the Worst of Times ) is the name of a popular German soap opera which was first broadcast in May 1992.
2008-04-10 23:04 < TheWeasel_> I don't know about this time around
2008-04-10 23:04 < Mike_H> Since its launch on May 11, 1992, Germany's first daily soap has always been a hit for the RTL network. For over 14 years now, the show has been number one in its timeslot at 7.40 pm with 4.5 million viewers in average. In 2002 the show reached its peak with over 7 million viewers.
2008-04-10 23:05 < TheWeasel_> I like the literal translation better.
2008-04-10 23:05 < TheWeasel_> yep.
2008-04-10 23:06 < TheWeasel_> the older most popular soap was Lindenstraße
2008-04-10 23:06 < TheWeasel_> that one was almost intellectual in comparison
2008-04-10 23:06 < TheWeasel_> with fairly complex characters and pretty good scripts
2008-04-10 23:06 < Mike_H> Lindenstrase is a television programme on Das Erste (ARD).
2008-04-10 23:06 < Mike_H> The first episode was aired on December 8, 1985, and since then has been broadcast weekly.
2008-04-10 23:07 < NoPegs> 10% (est 2004) of the population as viewers isn't a bad sweep...
2008-04-10 23:07 < Mike_H> NoPegs: I thought Germany had more people than that.
2008-04-10 23:07 < Mike_H> I thought their population was at like 85 million.
2008-04-10 23:07 < NoPegs> 82 mil.
2008-04-10 23:08 < NoPegs> peak of over 7 million is close to ten pct ;-)
2008-04-10 23:09 * NoPegs considers himself somewhat of a Germany buff...
2008-04-10 23:09 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: You do too, don't you? :DD
2008-04-10 23:10 < TheWeasel_> Forcibly.
2008-04-10 23:10 < TheWeasel_> :-D
2008-04-10 23:10 * NoPegs still doesn't know the proper way for displaying the DeutschlandBanner vertically... black on left or right? X_x
2008-04-10 23:11 < NoPegs> Horizontally I know its black on top, always. :)
2008-04-10 23:11 < TheWeasel_> Unless you go for Reuß ältere Linie
2008-04-10 23:11 < TheWeasel_> it's never shown vertically
2008-04-10 23:11 < TheWeasel_> and then obviously the black is to the mast.
2008-04-10 23:12 < NoPegs> NM, somebody finally updated the flag of germany article.. Civil flags are black on left. :)
2008-04-10 23:12 < TheWeasel_> Wait, Reuß jüngere Linie
2008-04-10 23:12 < TheWeasel_> *r
2008-04-10 23:12 < NoPegs> I dont' have enough space to do it horizontal in my room... :(
2008-04-10 23:12 < TheWeasel_> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Flagge_F%C3%BCrstentum_Reu%C3%9F_j%C3%BCngere_Linie.svg
2008-04-10 23:12 < Mike_H> TheWeasel_: Not even the DDR did it vertically?
2008-04-10 23:12 < TheWeasel_> no
2008-04-10 23:12 < TheWeasel_> only Reuss Juengerer Linie, which is an entirely obscure duchy in southeastern Thuringia
2008-04-10 23:13 < NoPegs> "When hung like a banner or draped, the black band should be on the left, as illustrated. When flown from a vertical flagpole, the black band must face the mast."
2008-04-10 23:13 < TheWeasel_> centered on Gera
2008-04-10 23:13 < TheWeasel_> What I said.