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2008-04-10 15:28 < scorchsaber_> Dang, I can't remember what the topic was before.
2008-04-10 15:29 < cimon> kim_bruning, or it is possible that the french remain logged in at all times, though I suppose when they lose their cookies, they should reasonably have to log on
2008-04-10 15:29 < LawrenceWCohen> 2000? nice
2008-04-10 15:30 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, that is pretty awesome
2008-04-10 15:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Thanks, although the credit belongs with the individual authors who made it possible
2008-04-10 15:30 < cimon> espescially given how the standards have risen
2008-04-10 15:33 < kim_bruning> cimon, you could ask wikimedia-translation?
2008-04-10 15:33 < kim_bruning> #wikimedia-translation even
2008-04-10 15:50 < The359> Crayola...
2008-04-10 15:50 < The359> why can't they just leave crayon names alone?
2008-04-10 15:51 < The359> for the 50th anniversary of the 64-pack of crayons, they decided to let children rename 8 of the colors
2008-04-10 15:51 < The359> And they're all shit
2008-04-10 15:52 < kim_bruning> The359, you mean all 8 colours are now called "shit"? wow
2008-04-10 15:52 < The359> close to it
2008-04-10 15:52 < The359> "Hot Magenta" becomes "Famous"
2008-04-10 15:52 < The359> "Laser Lemon" becomes "Super Happy"
2008-04-10 15:52 < The359> "Wild Watermelon" becomes "Awesome"
2008-04-10 15:52 < The359> "Screamin' Green" becomes "Giving Tree"
2008-04-10 15:53 < The359> "Beaver" becomes "Bear Hug"
2008-04-10 15:53 < DannyLilithborne> did peach become "skin flesh"? ^.^
2008-04-10 15:53 < The359> "Turquise Blue" becomes "Happily Ever After"
2008-04-10 15:53 < The359> "Orchid" becomes "Best Friends"
2008-04-10 15:53 < The359> and "Wild Tangerine" becomes "Fun In The Sun"
2008-04-10 15:56 < kim_bruning> The359, interesting names
2008-04-10 15:56 < kim_bruning> how were those arrived at, I wonder?
2008-04-10 15:56 < kim_bruning> some of them are decent
2008-04-10 15:56 * The359 shrug
2008-04-10 15:57 < Messedrocker> what about that pinkish fleshy color...
2008-04-10 15:58 < DannyLilithborne> Skin Flesh ^.^
2008-04-10 15:58 < Cyrius> "whitey"
2008-04-10 15:58 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Messedrocker pinkish flesh-colored flesh
2008-04-10 15:58 < Messedrocker> no, pinkish
2008-04-10 15:58 < Messedrocker> i was talking about vagina-colored crayons but ok
2008-04-10 15:58 < The359> they're what everyone uses for skin
2008-04-10 15:58 < DannyLilithborne> D:
2008-04-10 15:59 < The359> because there is no other similar color in a 64 box
2008-04-10 15:59 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Raymond_arritt&curid=6199219&diff=204764237&oldid=204723208
2008-04-10 15:59 < Ceiling_Cat> Look at all that pink flesh
2008-04-10 15:59 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-04-10 15:59 < Ceiling_Cat> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/2_Sphynx_speeing.jpg
2008-04-10 16:00 < The359> speeing?
2008-04-10 16:00 < Ceiling_Cat> The359 - someone misspelled sleeping
2008-04-10 16:00 < The359> they should be taken out and shot
2008-04-10 16:00 * Gwern-away reads the foundation-l about 'non-disparagement agreements'
2008-04-10 16:00 < Gwern-away> do people actually take Gerard seriously anymore?
2008-04-10 16:00 < eptalon> hello there.
2008-04-10 16:01 < Gwern-away> he basically suggests that Danny should've been made to sign such an agreement so the WMF could sue him over his blog
2008-04-10 16:01 < Messedrocker> in commemoration of the first 70 degree day
2008-04-10 16:01 < Messedrocker> i am now in my backyard
2008-04-10 16:01 < The359> are you being attacked by bugs?
2008-04-10 16:01 < Messedrocker> no
2008-04-10 16:01 < The359> you will be!
2008-04-10 16:01 < Messedrocker> i thought non-disparagement agreements were standard
2008-04-10 16:02 < eptalon> Anyone here good with spanish?
2008-04-10 16:02 < Gwern-away> Messedrocker: I hope not. they sound like evil corporate fascist devices as bad as NDAs or non-competes
2008-04-10 16:02 < Gwern-away> not something the WMF should be doing
2008-04-10 16:02 < Ceiling_Cat> have Danny's charges been specifically refuted?
2008-04-10 16:02 < Messedrocker> well of course the WMF should not do it
2008-04-10 16:03 < Gwern-away> Ceiling_Cat: I believe various WMF folks have said certain of his charges were not true, but there's no hard evidence publicly available that I've heard of
2008-04-10 16:03 < Gwern-away> Ceiling_Cat: so a he-said, she-said situation
2008-04-10 16:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - no, it's not. Nobody has found fault with anything Danny said
2008-04-10 16:04 < Messedrocker> may i remind everyone
2008-04-10 16:04 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, People take Gerard VERY seriously, thank you very much :-)
2008-04-10 16:04 < Ceiling_Cat> He said that Jimbo tried to charge a $1000+ dollar dinnar to the foundation
2008-04-10 16:04 < Messedrocker> this is a computer website
2008-04-10 16:05 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, besides which, Gerard has roughly the same function as danny was supposed to have had
2008-04-10 16:05 < Ceiling_Cat> he was right. He said jimbo tried to charge a massage parlor. He was right
2008-04-10 16:05 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, and gerard is rather more successful at it :-)
2008-04-10 16:05 < Gwern-away> Ceiling_Cat: come on. that's an argument from ignorance
2008-04-10 16:05 < Ceiling_Cat> at least as far as I can tell
2008-04-10 16:05 < Gwern-away> kim_bruning: I sense your statement is facetious and is intended to be taken at the opposite of its literal meaning...
2008-04-10 16:05 < eptalon> whats the problem with charging a relaxing massage to the WMF?
2008-04-10 16:05 < kim_bruning> Ceiling_Cat, dude, taxes, I try to charge everything to my company too, then my accountant tells me "sorry dude, no can do"
2008-04-10 16:05 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, Actually I'm dead serious
2008-04-10 16:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern-away - if someone levels specific charges, and believe me when I say the foundation is *well* aware of them, and they don't refute them
2008-04-10 16:06 < Gwern-away> Ceiling_Cat: did the bills turn up?
2008-04-10 16:06 < Ceiling_Cat> that's a tacit admission
2008-04-10 16:06 < NotASpy> ah, more briefing against Danny. Can we just knock it on it's head now, please.
2008-04-10 16:06 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, this quarter, gerard secured more funds for open progress than danny wool ever did in his entire employment at wikimedia ...
2008-04-10 16:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern-away - Danny handled the reciepts himself when Jimbo turned them in
2008-04-10 16:06 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, Gerard is effing competent
2008-04-10 16:06 < Messedrocker> ooooOOOOH
2008-04-10 16:06 < Messedrocker> my cat was getting a mohawk
2008-04-10 16:06 < Messedrocker> she scared
2008-04-10 16:07 < NotASpy> kim_bruning: yeah, we know you're pissed at Danny, but come on, just get over it.
2008-04-10 16:07 < Ceiling_Cat> LESS FUR!
2008-04-10 16:07 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, eh what?
2008-04-10 16:07 < Ceiling_Cat> MAKE HER BALD!
2008-04-10 16:07 < Ceiling_Cat> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/2_Sphynx_speeing.jpg
2008-04-10 16:07 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, that came out of left field. Can you elaborate please?
2008-04-10 16:07 < Gwern-away> kim_bruning: whatever he's competent at, it's sure not at governance. this is not the first example of gerard saying very stupid things
2008-04-10 16:08 < NotASpy> don't feign ignorance, kim_bruning, we know you've been pissed off at Danny and his behaviour for months, but repeating the same stuff doesn't actually help things at this stage.
2008-04-10 16:08 < Gwern-away> Ceiling_Cat: I know Danny handled the bills back then, I was around - but if there's no documentation, we can't decide for sure
2008-04-10 16:08 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, you know more than I do. I'm not exactly pissed off at danny
2008-04-10 16:08 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, I just think he sucked and good riddence...
2008-04-10 16:09 < NotASpy> kim_bruning: good, but that attitude is self defeatist, if he was bad, so what, the new guy is doing his job, let's just leave it at that.
2008-04-10 16:09 < Mbimmler> anyone mind telling me why https://blogs.fco.gov.uk/roller/miliband/entry/tale_of_two_penalties was so important that even the foreign secretary blogs about it?
2008-04-10 16:09 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, non-disparagement? I know about NDA....
2008-04-10 16:09 < Mbimmler> anything extraordinary about this match?
2008-04-10 16:10 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, The new folks are doing great jobs... but someone was talking about danny and gerard in one line... that's all
2008-04-10 16:10 < Gwern-away> kim_bruning: that was the phrase used
2008-04-10 16:10 < NotASpy> if he's raking in the money, excellent, but there's no need to add on things like "and that's more than Danny ever did" at the end.
2008-04-10 16:10 < kim_bruning> Gwern-away, heh, weird... interesting concept
2008-04-10 16:10 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, No I think I'd discussed that situation with Gwern before
2008-04-10 16:10 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - what should he have done, photocopied all the papers he dealt with before leaving the foundation?
2008-04-10 16:10 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, raking isn't quite the word :-P
2008-04-10 16:11 < Gwern-away> Ceiling_Cat: many whistleblowers do that.
2008-04-10 16:11 < kim_bruning> Mbimmler, apparently he's a fan? :-)
2008-04-10 16:11 < Gwern-away> it is certainly a workable solution
2008-04-10 16:11 < NotASpy> no, but he's bringing in funds and is successful at doing so. Now the real problem with comparing his work with that of Danny is that the whole metric against which me measure their success has changed.
2008-04-10 16:12 * kim_bruning knows someone who actually neatly went through channels to obtain information about a previous employer, using lawyers and so...
2008-04-10 16:12 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, oh?
2008-04-10 16:12 < kim_bruning> NotASpy, well, I mean, I'm more likely to listen to gerard or erik than to danny :-)
2008-04-10 16:13 < NotASpy> the Foundation has moved, they're now in San Francisco, at least one part of the reasoning behind the move was to have better access to fundraising resources, to better able to network with people for all sorts of reasons, but fundraising was well up there.
2008-04-10 16:15 < Daush> Hello
2008-04-10 16:15 < Messedrocker> hello
2008-04-10 16:15 < Messedrocker> hello
2008-04-10 16:16 < Messedrocker> z-druckee
2008-04-10 16:16 < Daush> I am not sure what to make of this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Cornyn&curid=335068&diff=204767371&oldid=201600175
2008-04-10 16:16 < Working_Cat> are we done discussing privacy and hunger strike and all that yet?
2008-04-10 16:17 < kim_bruning> Daush, looking
2008-04-10 16:17 < kim_bruning> Daush, the original text is referenced, the edit unreferences it?
2008-04-10 16:18 < kim_bruning> Daush, I can probably figure who made the edit too
2008-04-10 16:18 < Daush> Replacing a section of information that suggests he has a negative record on the environment with references linked for every statement, and replaces it with entirely positive information that just tells you to look up the bill
2008-04-10 16:18 < Daush> I don't really care
2008-04-10 16:19 < Daush> One or two lines of that could be seen as objectively neutral and incorporated, though, and the rest could be added if neutralized
2008-04-10 16:19 < kim_bruning> Host 81.237.34.12.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
2008-04-10 16:19 < kim_bruning> Daush, wow, you're a lot nicer than I am
2008-04-10 16:19 < kim_bruning> I'd have reverted and blocked the ip that made the eidts
2008-04-10 16:20 < kim_bruning> Because I can almost promise you that that person was paid to make those edits..
2008-04-10 16:20 < kim_bruning> ... and wasn't told to follow wikipedia policy
2008-04-10 16:20 < kim_bruning> (I don't mind paid editors, as long as they get paid to follow policy)
2008-04-10 16:21 < kim_bruning> Daush, if you have the time and the will to make it objectively neutral and incorporate it, that IS actually a better approach :-)
2008-04-10 16:21 < kim_bruning> Daush, if you have the time for that?
2008-04-10 16:21 < kim_bruning> Daush, so what do you need our input on?
2008-04-10 16:22 < Daush> I just wanted an objective view because I had written the environment section and didn't feel like conflicting with the IP address
2008-04-10 16:26 < Daush> Oh, it made another edit
2008-04-10 16:26 < Daush> It took out the section on civil rights and law enforcement, with the speech he gave comparing homosexual marriages to marrying a box turtle, and retracted
2008-04-10 16:27 < Daush> It replaced it with a section on how he helped Texan farmers and rancers
2008-04-10 16:27 < Daush> That made an editor catch both edits and revert them
2008-04-10 16:27 < LawrenceWCohen> he's replacing sourced content with unsourced.
2008-04-10 16:28 < Daush> Oh, the editor that reverted the vandalism un-reverted it
2008-04-10 16:28 < Daush> Said the rollback was a mistake
2008-04-10 16:30 < LawrenceWCohen> I left the IP edtior a note about sourcing, probably just a mistake on their part
2008-04-10 16:31 < Daush> Yeah, hopefully they'll provide references for every statement if they try again
2008-04-10 16:31 < Daush> and not remove the referenced statements...
2008-04-10 16:31 < Ceiling_Cat> MAOR KATZ!
2008-04-10 16:31 < LawrenceWCohen> we have not cats
2008-04-10 16:32 < Working_Cat> MOEW!!!!
2008-04-10 16:32 < SynergeticMag> srsly zOMG more Katz
2008-04-10 16:32 < Working_Cat> LawrenceWCohen: wrong
2008-04-10 16:32 < Working_Cat> maggy!! wassup?
2008-04-10 16:32 < LawrenceWCohen> I would have gotten away with it if not for you meddling katz
2008-04-10 16:32 * Working_Cat does the scooby laugh
2008-04-10 16:33 < Daush> I will not be surprised if they press on for weeks through persistence into getting the page changed,
2008-04-10 16:33 < Working_Cat> which i must say would look disturbingly creepy coming from a cat.
2008-04-10 16:33 < Daush> or just do a revert war
2008-04-10 16:33 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: wassup i asked
2008-04-10 16:33 < SynergeticMag> ah, i was in another room
2008-04-10 16:34 < SynergeticMag> nothing much
2008-04-10 16:34 < SynergeticMag> you?
2008-04-10 16:36 < Daush> Last time I sat idly by because I just didn't care enough to get involved in an article obviously biased was tampering with, it made the national news. Someone than ran an anti-Matthew Hill blog (Matthew Hill is a state representative no one really cares about) tried to edit his article with information on a pharmaceutical bribery conspiracy they copied and pasted into many-a Republican...
2008-04-10 16:36 < Daush> ...Tennessee politician article, then a U.S. Representative's chief of staff, who happens to be the brother of Matthew Hill, reverted his boss' article.
2008-04-10 16:36 < Daush> I think that the owner of that blog is blocked indefinitely now
2008-04-10 16:37 < Daush> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Cornyn&diff=204772277&oldid=204771246 Yep, this IP address is one of those crusaders
2008-04-10 16:38 < Daush> Replaced entirely sourced information about his position on abortion and stem cell research with a section about his efforts to combat tax hikes
2008-04-10 16:39 < Daush> Maybe this'll get fixed on its own by tomorrow
2008-04-10 16:41 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: pretty cool. life isnt too bad really.
2008-04-10 16:41 < SynergeticMag> yeah me niehter
2008-04-10 16:41 < SynergeticMag> er
2008-04-10 16:41 < SynergeticMag> neither*
2008-04-10 16:41 < SynergeticMag> two days off = 14 hours of wikipedia a day
2008-04-10 16:41 < SynergeticMag> or something
2008-04-10 16:41 < Working_Cat> i do wish though, that i had more time to play Caesar3/AoE-II
2008-04-10 16:42 < Daush> Usually vandalism seems to stay for a long time if not reverted within the first 5 minutes
2008-04-10 16:42 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: wow 2 days off?? how??
2008-04-10 16:42 < SynergeticMag> begging and sexual favors
2008-04-10 16:42 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-10 16:42 < SynergeticMag> j/k
2008-04-10 16:43 < Working_Cat> i've often seen vandalism gets reverted pretty soon... is there some sort of alarm that goes off?
2008-04-10 16:44 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: heh, we can always try :P
2008-04-10 16:44 < LawrenceWCohen> Daush: the unsourced isn't bad, but the sourced removal is
2008-04-10 16:44 < SynergeticMag> working_cat: no just people watching and waiting
2008-04-10 16:45 < Working_Cat> oh another thing missing... some real life friends ...that would be good. esp if some came with benefits....
2008-04-10 16:46 < Working_Cat> somehow, these cat-and-mouse games very rapidly boil down to "whos the bigger loser" situations.
2008-04-10 16:46 < Working_Cat> (Hits: more often than not, its not the mouse)
2008-04-10 16:47 < Ceiling_Cat> oh snap!
2008-04-10 16:47 < Ceiling_Cat> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/10/202210
2008-04-10 16:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Big news!
2008-04-10 16:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Worth at least 5 cats
2008-04-10 16:49 < Daush> Cooler news, worth 50 cats? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phobos.php
2008-04-10 16:49 < Working_Cat> nah. just 1.5 cats
2008-04-10 16:49 < Daush> 3500x3000 px image of Phobos with a scale of about 6 meters per pixel
2008-04-10 16:49 < Daush> It also comes in wallpaper format
2008-04-10 16:50 < Daush> Thanks for your help, Mr. Cohen
2008-04-10 16:51 < Working_Cat> Daush: 10 cats. Ceiling_Cat: 1.5 cats.
2008-04-10 16:51 * Working_Cat : over 40 Mega Fonzies
2008-04-10 16:52 < koavf> Is there something wrong with the display of templates in Firefox for you guys?
2008-04-10 16:52 < Ceiling_Cat> koavf - yes. They have far too few cats
2008-04-10 16:52 < koavf> Nothing is floating right for me, and the personal metadata templates are showing.
2008-04-10 16:53 < Ceiling_Cat> My watchlist is currently showing 0
2008-04-10 16:53 < koavf> Uhoh.
2008-04-10 16:53 < koavf> And does anyone know what's going on/when it will be fixed?
2008-04-10 16:53 < koavf> e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett
2008-04-10 16:54 < koavf> Three really whacked out templates on that page.
2008-04-10 16:54 * Ceiling_Cat cuddles with Working_Cat
2008-04-10 16:55 < koavf> And now they all work.
2008-04-10 16:55 < koavf> Okay.
2008-04-10 16:55 < Working_Cat> Ceiling_Cat honey, not right now. Im at work. Just couple of hours till i get back home okie
2008-04-10 16:55 < Working_Cat> sweet kitty
2008-04-10 16:55 < koavf> And on that note...
2008-04-10 16:56 * Ceiling_Cat can't wait
2008-04-10 16:56 * Ceiling_Cat is horny now
2008-04-10 16:56 * Ceiling_Cat ducks
2008-04-10 16:57 < Messedrocker> hugh everett makes mark p. horny?
2008-04-10 16:57 < mavhc> the infobox thing is left aligned in ff3b4
2008-04-10 16:58 < Ceiling_Cat> Everett, who believed in quantum immortality, died suddenly at home in his bed on July 19, 1982 of a heart attack at the age of only 51. It is possible that his constant chain-smoking and heavy drinking contributed to this, although he was outwardly healthy at the time. A committed atheist, he had asked to be thrown out with the trash after his death. Some time after his cremation, his wife complied.
2008-04-10 16:58 < Working_Cat> i'd throw him before
2008-04-10 16:59 < Working_Cat> the buggers dead. get the dumpster. and that thing they use to dice pigs.
2008-04-10 16:59 < Ceiling_Cat> where death is concerned, I subscribe to the bart simpson philosophy
2008-04-10 17:00 < Messedrocker> live fast, die young, leave a big fat corpse?
2008-04-10 17:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Homer: Are we gonna die son?
2008-04-10 17:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Bart: Yeah. But at least we'll take a lot of innocent people with us.
2008-04-10 17:02 < mavhc> live fat, die young, piss off your pallbearers
2008-04-10 17:03 < The359> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Dodge-Viper.jpg wtf
2008-04-10 17:03 < The359> who allowed that on Commons?
2008-04-10 17:03 < Ceiling_Cat> time to go
2008-04-10 17:03 * Ceiling_Cat waves, gives Working_Cat a goodbye cuddle
2008-04-10 17:08 < Lady_Aleena> Hello all...Anyone here know the difference between a comic book, graphic novel, and just plain comics? I am trying to figure out what to call a group of things, and I need a common name.
2008-04-10 17:09 < The359> Graphic novels are usually a complete story, and in a hardcore or more bound edition
2008-04-10 17:10 < The359> comic book would just be a short paperback issue
2008-04-10 17:10 < The359> and a comic is just, like a comic strip I guess?
2008-04-10 17:11 < Working_Cat> The359: also a collection of them. like a consolidated collection of the strips from last year.
2008-04-10 17:11 < Golbez> 'comics' refers to the single strips you see in the newspaper, yes
2008-04-10 17:11 < Lady_Aleena> Hmmm...*thinking*
2008-04-10 17:11 < Messedrocker> pppppppppppp
2008-04-10 17:11 < Working_Cat> or the calvin n hobbes 10 year collection :D
2008-04-10 17:11 < Golbez> 'comic book' refers to the weekly/monthly issues
2008-04-10 17:12 < Working_Cat> Golbez: yeah, like archies, asterix, tintin
2008-04-10 17:12 < Golbez> and 'graphic novel' usually refers to a collected volume of comic books, or is a bigger/more complete story on its own that wouldn't work well in a comic book-like episodic fashion
2008-04-10 17:12 < The359> Isn't that a Trade Paperback, Working_Cat?
2008-04-10 17:12 < Golbez> a collection of comics is neither a comic book nor a graphic novel, it's .. a collection. =p
2008-04-10 17:12 < Working_Cat> graphic novels: sin city, 300...
2008-04-10 17:12 < Lady_Aleena> Golbez: What would you call a mass market paperback fill with comics from various time periods? (Ripley's Believe It or Not!s)
2008-04-10 17:13 < The359> collection
2008-04-10 17:13 < Working_Cat> collection
2008-04-10 17:13 < Lady_Aleena> Yikes...this could get complicated.
2008-04-10 17:13 < mavhc> ripley's make shit up off the top of my head
2008-04-10 17:13 < Golbez> graphic novels tend to have much better artwork than comic books, which tend to have much better artwork than comic strips
2008-04-10 17:13 < The359> In comics, a trade paperback (TPB or simply trade) specifically refers to a collection of stories originally published in comic books reprinted in book format, usually capturing one story arc from a single title or a series of stories with a connected story arc or common theme from one or more titles.
2008-04-10 17:13 < Working_Cat> mavhc: thanks for the image we did not need.
2008-04-10 17:14 < Working_Cat> The359:
2008-04-10 17:14 < Working_Cat> "comic books"
2008-04-10 17:14 < mavhc> if you have an image for that it's your problem
2008-04-10 17:14 < The359> yes, ok
2008-04-10 17:15 < Golbez> for example, The Killing Joke or Red Son might be considered trade paperbacks or graphic novels
2008-04-10 17:15 < Golbez> another difference:
2008-04-10 17:15 < Golbez> comic strips are only good for one day
2008-04-10 17:15 < Golbez> comic books will stay in stores for a week or a month
2008-04-10 17:15 < Golbez> but graphic novels have an indefinite shelf life in bookstores
2008-04-10 17:15 < Lady_Aleena> Could they collectively be called singular "comic" or plural "comics"?
2008-04-10 17:15 < The359> what?
2008-04-10 17:16 < Golbez> [ps i strongly recommend both]
2008-04-10 17:17 < Lady_Aleena> Just trying to get a collective word for that media type.
2008-04-10 17:20 < DannyLilithborne> man, anons hate me all of a sudden.
2008-04-10 17:20 < The359> w00t
2008-04-10 17:20 < DannyLilithborne> should I be honored?
2008-04-10 17:20 < The359> found CC pictures of an event from last weekend
2008-04-10 17:22 < Rinn> DannyLilithborne: That's not a big feat.
2008-04-10 17:23 * Golbez browses through The Killing Joke
2008-04-10 17:23 < Golbez> "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
2008-04-10 17:46 < Working_Cat> The Sydney Opera House is among the most epic construction overruns of all time. Initially slated to be completed in 1963 for $7 million, it was finally completed in 1973 for $102 million. But don’t look down on them: Experiment shows that, deep in our hearts, we all have an inner home improvement contractor.
2008-04-10 17:47 < Working_Cat> This phenomenon is more generally known as the “planning fallacy”. Roughly, the planning fallacy is that people think they can plan.
2008-04-10 17:47 < Working_Cat> <3
2008-04-10 17:48 < Working_Cat> being a compulsive micro planner myself :P
2008-04-10 17:49 < Working_Cat> also, a notorious chatkill
2008-04-10 17:53 * The359 plans for Working_Cat's death
2008-04-10 17:54 < Gwern-away> The359: do you plan to grease the wheels of the kittybox with the blood of the Working_Cat?
2008-04-10 17:54 < Working_Cat> O.O
2008-04-10 17:54 < The359> yes
2008-04-10 17:55 * Working_Cat runs like a cat out of hell
2008-04-10 17:55 < nsh> http://www.reason.com/news/show/124947.html
2008-04-10 17:56 < Gwern-away> Working_Cats of the world, unite! you have nothing to lose but your homes, your litterboxes, your food, your treats, your petting...
2008-04-10 18:04 * Working_Cat blows Gwern away
2008-04-10 18:04 < Working_Cat> <as in, with some sort of explosive device)
2008-04-10 18:05 < ShakespeareFan00> ??
2008-04-10 18:07 * Working_Cat is the cat that launched a thousand bombs.
2008-04-10 18:08 < Working_Cat> you wouldnt get it ShakespeareFan00, the line i just said was from a considerably better writer.
2008-04-10 18:10 < White_Cat> .ne.jp?
2008-04-10 18:11 < White_Cat> do you guys know anything about Multiuser Detection CDMA
2008-04-10 18:14 < geniice> intersting
2008-04-10 18:14 < geniice> http://cubo.cc/
2008-04-10 18:16 < Thx> horror!!!!!
2008-04-10 18:17 < Working_Cat> Thx: ure welcome.
2008-04-10 18:19 < HumbertHumbert> "Unprecedented strains on the nation's all-volunteer military are threatening the health and readiness of the troops." <-- What? You are not forced to join the army in the USA? Since when?
2008-04-10 18:19 < Working_Cat> HumbertHumbert: since the draft for vietnam ended
2008-04-10 18:20 < The359> you're required to register
2008-04-10 18:20 < The359> but not attend
2008-04-10 18:20 < HumbertHumbert> Register for what?
2008-04-10 18:20 < Working_Cat> yeah. i was gonna say that.
2008-04-10 18:20 < HumbertHumbert> What is the point of that if you don't have to attend?
2008-04-10 18:21 < Working_Cat> HumbertHumbert: so that they can pull your ass up when needed.
2008-04-10 18:21 < The359> The Selective Service System is the means by which the United States administers military conscription. It entails registering all men between the ages of 18 and 25 with the system for the purpose of having information available about potential soldiers in the event of war.
2008-04-10 18:21 * Mike_H NP: Grass Roots - Temptation Eyes (1971)
2008-04-10 18:21 < The359> basically, in case they ever do reenact the draft
2008-04-10 18:21 < geniice> Doesn't happen in the UK.
2008-04-10 18:21 < The359> but that's likely to only happen if we're invaded
2008-04-10 18:22 < geniice> They know who you are they know where you live and they have a world beating collection of CCTV pics of you
2008-04-10 18:22 < geniice> what use a register
2008-04-10 18:23 < The359> The United States abandoned the draft in 1973 under President Richard Nixon, ended the Selective Service registration requirement in 1975 under President Gerald Ford, and then re-instated the Selective Service registration requirement in 1980 under President Jimmy Carter.
2008-04-10 18:23 < The359> Today the Selective Service System remains as a contingency, should a military draft be re-introduced.
2008-04-10 18:23 < The359> still only required to register if you're male though
2008-04-10 18:23 < Mike_H> 18-year-old men are required to register.
2008-04-10 18:23 < Mike_H> If they don't, they can be punished with either a fine or a short jail sentence. Nowadays it's usually just a fine.
2008-04-10 18:23 < The359> Under current law, all male U.S. citizens are required to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Certain male aliens residing in the U.S., including those present illegally, are also required to register if they are between 18 and 26 years of age. "Willful" failure or refusal to present oneself for registration is against the law.
2008-04-10 18:24 < The359> although apparently between 1980 and 1986, they only arrested 20 people for failing to register
2008-04-10 18:25 < The359> no one's been arrested for it since
2008-04-10 18:25 * Mike_H NP: Grass Roots - Two Divided by Love (1972)
2008-04-10 18:25 < geniice> I would be proud to defend my country
2008-04-10 18:26 < geniice> sod that I'm british I would be proud to commit genocide for my country
2008-04-10 18:26 * The359 will not be eligable for selective service in 10 months
2008-04-10 18:26 < Mike_H> I still have a few years left.
2008-04-10 18:27 < Mike_H> I'm about halfway through.
2008-04-10 18:27 < Mike_H> but I'm currently in school, that would save me from the draft until I graduate anyway
2008-04-10 18:28 < geniice> I think I may technicaly be in a reserved ocupation at the moment
2008-04-10 18:28 * Golbez last rebooted 4wks 1day 23hrs 55mins 22secs ago!
2008-04-10 18:28 < Golbez> i think it's time.
2008-04-10 18:28 < The359> although I guess if they're going to create a draft if we're attacked, they could just as well change the age requirements
2008-04-10 18:29 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: i thought being in school didnt save you from that
2008-04-10 18:29 < Golbez> It can
2008-04-10 18:29 < Golbez> Selective Service had a massive side benefit for me
2008-04-10 18:29 < Working_Cat> stories at my college abound about how 75% of the class was sent off to war
2008-04-10 18:30 < Golbez> when I was filling out my paperwork, my grandmother saw it and said, "That's not his social security number."
2008-04-10 18:30 < The359> ?
2008-04-10 18:30 < Golbez> Whoops. Seems a clerical error ~16 years earlier had caused me and my mother to use the wrong social security number. =p
2008-04-10 18:30 < The359> identity thief
2008-04-10 18:30 < Golbez> hey it's not my fault that my real name is Jorge Gonzales, a migrant worker from Arizona with three kids
2008-04-10 18:30 < Golbez> OR IS IT
2008-04-10 18:31 < Working_Cat> Golbez: your g-mom remembered your ssn? impressive!
2008-04-10 18:31 < Golbez> We checked if we could switch to the 'wrong' social security number but no. I don't know if I obtained my 'original' or if I had to file for a new one
2008-04-10 18:31 < Golbez> Working_Cat- i know, right? probably because the wrong one began with 5, and she might have known all texan ones begin with 4
2008-04-10 18:31 < Working_Cat> ahhh
2008-04-10 18:32 < Golbez> zomg you people know my SSN
2008-04-10 18:32 < Golbez> it still comes back to get me
2008-04-10 18:32 < Golbez> i still have a bank account under the old SSN. =p
2008-04-10 18:32 * Mike_H cuddles privatemusings
2008-04-10 18:32 < privatemusings> hey Mike!
2008-04-10 18:33 < Golbez> oh huh
2008-04-10 18:33 < Golbez> texas can also start with 6
2008-04-10 18:33 < Golbez> but not 5!
2008-04-10 18:33 < The359> Certain states get certain SSN numbers?
2008-04-10 18:33 < Golbez> http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm
2008-04-10 18:34 < Golbez> my 'wrong' SSN corresponds with california
2008-04-10 18:34 < Mike_H> Florida - 261-267, 589-595, 766-772
2008-04-10 18:34 < Mike_H> That sounds right.
2008-04-10 18:34 < Mike_H> My SSN digits do correspond to Florida.
2008-04-10 18:34 < Golbez> i got my new one in DC, but it doesn't fit the code, so I guess they gave me my original one
2008-04-10 18:35 < Mike_H> So do my mom's actually.
2008-04-10 18:35 < Golbez> (it's helpful, when you find out you've been using the wrong social security number for 16 years, to be able to go down to the actual social security office. :P)
2008-04-10 18:35 < Mike_H> and my dad's correspond with Virginia.
2008-04-10 18:35 < Mike_H> that site is nifty.
2008-04-10 18:36 < Working_Cat> Mike_H: then how come you ended up in Alabama
2008-04-10 18:36 < Working_Cat> they decided to average it out?
2008-04-10 18:36 < Mike_H> Working_Cat: I was born in Florida.
2008-04-10 18:36 < Mike_H> I grew up in Florida and Alabama.
2008-04-10 18:36 < Mike_H> I went to high school like ten miles from Alabama.
2008-04-10 18:36 < Working_Cat> ahh
2008-04-10 18:37 < Mike_H> Alabama's much more a part of my heritage.
2008-04-10 18:37 < Golbez> yeah, i only lived in Texas a few months
2008-04-10 18:37 < Golbez> DC is where I list as 'the place I grew up'
2008-04-10 18:37 < Working_Cat> Golbez: <3 DC
2008-04-10 18:37 < Mike_H> 001-003 New Hampshire
2008-04-10 18:37 < Mike_H> I thought it was so weird that my old roommate's SSN started with 001
2008-04-10 18:38 < Mike_H> I was like
2008-04-10 18:38 < Golbez> having lived in three houses in southeast DC, mclean VA, dale city VA, and rockville MD, and gone to GWU
2008-04-10 18:38 < White_Cat> Golbez you mean you resided in the whitehouse?
2008-04-10 18:38 < Mike_H> wait, that has to be fake
2008-04-10 18:38 < Golbez> White_Cat- no.
2008-04-10 18:38 < Golbez> though my dorm in college was a mere 3 blocks from the white house
2008-04-10 18:38 < White_Cat> 3 blocks from the white house
2008-04-10 18:38 < Mike_H> Golbez: I've lived all around
2008-04-10 18:38 < White_Cat> sums up dc
2008-04-10 18:38 < Mike_H> Jacksonville, Florida; Orange Park, Florida; Warrington, Florida; Pensacola, Florida; Orange Beach, Alabama; Gulf Shores, Alabama
2008-04-10 18:39 < Mike_H> oh, and Japan.
2008-04-10 18:39 < Mike_H> The end.
2008-04-10 18:39 < Golbez> the white house is at roughly 16th and F and Penn, my dorm was at 19th and F
2008-04-10 18:39 * Golbez clears his throat:
2008-04-10 18:40 < Golbez> Dallas TX, Ft Lauderdale FL, Summit NJ, Washington DC (1), Washington DC (2), Pasadena CA, Dale City VA, McLean VA, Savannah GA, Concord NC, Hampton VA, Washington DC (3), Rockville MD, Washington DC (4), Concord NC, Santa Fe NM, and Cedar Rapids IA
2008-04-10 18:40 < Golbez> i probably missed one or two
2008-04-10 18:41 * Mike_H NP: KC and the Sunshine Band - Keep It Comin' Love (1977)
2008-04-10 18:43 < White_Cat> Multiuser Detection in CDMA...
2008-04-10 18:43 < Working_Cat> Golbez: what? your family moved every year or whart
2008-04-10 18:43 * Working_Cat greets Supremacist_Cat
2008-04-10 18:43 < Golbez> for a while yes
2008-04-10 18:43 < Working_Cat> lemme see.
2008-04-10 18:44 < Golbez> from 1983 to 1988 it was every year, then every two years
2008-04-10 18:44 < Working_Cat> it will be 2 years for me here in August.
2008-04-10 18:44 < Working_Cat> here = US
2008-04-10 18:44 < Working_Cat> and...
2008-04-10 18:44 < Golbez> i have absolutely zero comprehension of what it's like for people who have lived in the same area - with the same friends - for their whole lives
2008-04-10 18:44 < Golbez> thankfully i have the internet for that
2008-04-10 18:44 < Golbez> and the friends i've had on it since 1991
2008-04-10 18:45 < Working_Cat> Liberty SC, Clemson SC, FallsChurch VA, Huntsville AL (and soon) Madison, AL
2008-04-10 18:45 < Golbez> (prodigy 91-93, nvn 93-94, bbs's 94-98, internets 95-present)
2008-04-10 18:45 < Golbez> mmm falls church
2008-04-10 18:45 < Working_Cat> right round the corner to mclean
2008-04-10 18:45 < Golbez> the company I work for (web coding can be done anywhere!) is in Chantilly, I always enjoy business trips.
2008-04-10 18:46 < Working_Cat> chantilly. i was employed in there for a month :P
2008-04-10 18:46 < Golbez> dude.
2008-04-10 18:46 < Working_Cat> yes?
2008-04-10 18:47 < Working_Cat> i've also been to Dallas TX btw :D
2008-04-10 18:47 < Golbez> when I last saw it in 1998, Tysons 2 was in a field.
2008-04-10 18:47 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-04-10 18:47 < Golbez> Literally. An empty field.
2008-04-10 18:47 < Golbez> I go back in 2006 and am driving around the business towers of McLean and I come upon a mall
2008-04-10 18:47 < Golbez> curious, I think
2008-04-10 18:47 < Golbez> then I find out it's Tysons 2?
2008-04-10 18:47 < Golbez> mind fucking blown.
2008-04-10 18:47 < Golbez> all that massive development in just a few years
2008-04-10 18:47 < Working_Cat> haha i can imagine
2008-04-10 18:48 < Working_Cat> right now it feels very much live being an integral part of DC
2008-04-10 18:48 < Golbez> i know
2008-04-10 18:48 < Working_Cat> *like
2008-04-10 18:48 < Golbez> only a few years til they build the silver line out that way, too! =p
2008-04-10 18:48 < Working_Cat> fun place. fun place.
2008-04-10 18:48 < Golbez> and another thing had changed too
2008-04-10 18:48 < Golbez> i'd never driven in DC, having left really before getting my license
2008-04-10 18:48 < Golbez> i go back and the suburbs remind me strongly of southern california
2008-04-10 18:49 < Golbez> wiiide avenues, incessant traffic
2008-04-10 18:49 < Working_Cat> the so called suburbs of so cal?
2008-04-10 18:49 < Golbez> it's amazing how much Fairfax Co has grown in just the last decade, let alone the whole area
2008-04-10 18:49 < Working_Cat> fairfax....
2008-04-10 18:49 < Golbez> specifically, it reminded me of what I saw in Chula Vista, a suburb of San Diego
2008-04-10 18:50 < Working_Cat> we have a word for something that just smacks of indianness.... 'Fairfaxy'
2008-04-10 18:50 < Golbez> I shouldn't focus on Fairfax Co; Loudoun County has grown much much more than even Fairfax.
2008-04-10 18:50 < Working_Cat> Golbez: what did u see in SD?
2008-04-10 18:50 < Working_Cat> san diego
2008-04-10 18:50 < Golbez> my girlfriend =p and the zoo, and coronado
2008-04-10 18:51 < snowolf> eila' Cream
2008-04-10 18:51 < Golbez> mmm, Fairfax County has the highest median income in the US
2008-04-10 18:51 < Cream> heya snowolf <3
2008-04-10 18:51 < Cream> hey Golbez :)
2008-04-10 18:52 < Golbez> it's nice to be employed in a recessionproof industry
2008-04-10 18:52 < nokmar> which is?
2008-04-10 18:52 < Golbez> in virtually a recessionproof region
2008-04-10 18:52 < Golbez> (i work for a company that works on government contracts, and here in eastern iowa we have King Corn to see us through the dark night)
2008-04-10 18:52 < Cream> pornographic?
2008-04-10 18:52 < Working_Cat> Cream: lol
2008-04-10 18:53 < Working_Cat> Golbez: software?
2008-04-10 18:53 < Cream> :P
2008-04-10 18:53 < Working_Cat> or related?
2008-04-10 18:53 < Golbez> Working_Cat- slightly related, but just by virtue of working with the government, they (and most of the DC area) are recession resistant
2008-04-10 18:53 < ShakespeareFan00> Some Criminals are small-time, Some criminals are big-time, and some really big-time criminals work for the Govt ;) ....
2008-04-10 18:53 < Golbez> no matter what happens in a recession, government spending will never go down. =p
2008-04-10 18:54 < Working_Cat> heh heh
2008-04-10 18:54 < Golbez> and the unemployment rate for my city is an astounding 3.5%
2008-04-10 18:54 < Golbez> thanks to being very diversified and benefitting from the irrational ethanol craze
2008-04-10 18:54 < mavhc> burn the food!
2008-04-10 18:55 < mavhc> in what way isn't a recession entirely self fulfilling?
2008-04-10 18:55 < Golbez> (I am very very much against farm subsidies and this moronic ethanol thing - but i don't mind benefitting third-hand by living in a booming area driven by them =p)
2008-04-10 18:55 < Not_the_NSA> mavhc: burn the money for warmth!
2008-04-10 18:55 < Not_the_NSA> even though it was 70 today O_O
2008-04-10 18:55 < Working_Cat> the company i work for, has client list consisting (majorly/exclusively) of state govts, military and oil cos(small part). is that recession resistant?
2008-04-10 18:55 < ShakespeareFan00> mavhcL They will be burning the dead as fuel next !!!!!!!!
2008-04-10 18:55 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-04-10 18:55 < Golbez> Working_Cat- probably
2008-04-10 18:56 * Cream cuddles ShakespeareFan00
2008-04-10 18:56 < Working_Cat> Golbez: you could have said yes :|
2008-04-10 18:56 < Cyrius> soylent petrol
2008-04-10 18:56 < ShakespeareFan00> Unitl you vote a 'small govt' candidate in
2008-04-10 18:56 * Working_Cat Cream s cuddles
2008-04-10 18:56 < ShakespeareFan00> :(
2008-04-10 18:56 < Cream> go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go! go habs go!
2008-04-10 18:56 < Golbez> recessions are nothing to fear
2008-04-10 18:56 < Golbez> they happen, we adapt
2008-04-10 18:57 < Working_Cat> well, im just concerned about pay cuts.
2008-04-10 18:57 < ggreer> Golbez: I guess you should fear them if your job sucks
2008-04-10 18:57 < toresbe> 00:53 < Golbez> no matter what happens in a recession, government spending will never go down. =p
2008-04-10 18:57 < toresbe> Golbez: that's not quite true.
2008-04-10 18:57 < snowolf> Cream: Habs == "Montreal Canadiens, a National Hockey League team." ?
2008-04-10 18:57 < Working_Cat> meh anyways, i'll leave for now.
2008-04-10 18:58 < Cream> yup :)
2008-04-10 18:58 < Cream> they're playing tonight
2008-04-10 18:58 < toresbe> Golbez: In a recession with inflation, some governments prefer shrinking the public spending.
2008-04-10 19:00 < ShakespeareFan00> Unlike the UK which pulls a fast one , by making public seem private , and wondering why the Daily Mail smells the rats in the tube....
2008-04-10 19:01 < toresbe> The UK is an impressive example of decay.
2008-04-10 19:01 < toresbe> And people still vote right-wing. It's quite depressing.
2008-04-10 19:01 < toresbe> I'm guessing it's because there's very little functioning media in the UK.
2008-04-10 19:01 < ShakespeareFan00> toresbe; You wou;d want to vote in the arned communists...?
2008-04-10 19:02 < ShakespeareFan00> Labour= Control freaks
2008-04-10 19:02 < toresbe> ShakespeareFan00: I can't parse that
2008-04-10 19:02 < ShakespeareFan00> Tories = Facists
2008-04-10 19:02 < ggreer> ShakespeareFan00: pfft, everyone knows the facist thugs are better than the armed communists
2008-04-10 19:02 < snowolf> Wikipedia is Communist.
2008-04-10 19:02 < snowolf> *m
2008-04-10 19:02 < toresbe> armed!
2008-04-10 19:02 < ShakespeareFan00> Lib Dems = 'Liberal' fence sitters, atheists, ban the bomb mothers ad abortion supporters...
2008-04-10 19:02 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-04-10 19:02 * Cream rubs snowolf
2008-04-10 19:02 < toresbe> Labour isn't communist, though. It's right of the Tories. I'm deeply suspicious of any party which operates in a position completely different to its founding principle.
2008-04-10 19:03 < toresbe> I think what UK needs the most is a party which is where Labour should be.
2008-04-10 19:03 < ShakespeareFan00> Right-Wing/ Left wing they meet up round the back to beat up you the voter...
2008-04-10 19:03 < toresbe> Or a transformation of Labour.
2008-04-10 19:03 < toresbe> ShakespeareFan00: oh, come off it. I'm getting so fucking sick of hearing that crap.
2008-04-10 19:04 < ShakespeareFan00> toresbe: Green Party, Socalist Labour or the Lib Dems not that any of them stand a chance
2008-04-10 19:04 < ShakespeareFan00> part of the problem is that the UK has a largely Right Wiing press
2008-04-10 19:04 < toresbe> No, the problem is that the UK has a largely Useless press.
2008-04-10 19:04 < ShakespeareFan00> and no rules about media competiion to shaft Muroch and others with
2008-04-10 19:05 < ShakespeareFan00> You want social Issues, and real 'news' you don't read red-tops...
2008-04-10 19:05 < toresbe> Speaking of that, why on earth hasn't Bush *been* impeached yet?
2008-04-10 19:05 < ShakespeareFan00> What grounds?
2008-04-10 19:05 < toresbe> take your pick... lying, actively working against the Constitution...
2008-04-10 19:05 < ShakespeareFan00> 'National security was at stake' </Olliver North>
2008-04-10 19:06 < toresbe> 1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.
2008-04-10 19:06 < toresbe> http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5054&news_iv_ctrl=1061
2008-04-10 19:06 < toresbe> has the reset of them
2008-04-10 19:07 < ggreer> toresbe: you forgot poland
2008-04-10 19:08 < ThobinDefoe> Anyone interested in a game of irc werewolf?
2008-04-10 19:08 < Cream> ThobinDefoe, nope
2008-04-10 19:09 < ThobinDefoe> #boingmafia is anyone is game
2008-04-10 19:10 < ThobinDefoe> if, sorry
2008-04-10 19:10 < tobago> i play rock paper scissors
2008-04-10 19:10 < tobago> no shoot
2008-04-10 19:10 < tobago> just 321
2008-04-10 19:11 < ThobinDefoe> nevermind
2008-04-10 19:11 < tobago> paper
2008-04-10 19:11 < ThobinDefoe> scissors
2008-04-10 19:12 < ThobinDefoe> ftw!
2008-04-10 19:12 < tobago> arghhh
2008-04-10 19:12 < tobago> cheat
2008-04-10 19:12 < tobago> out
2008-04-10 19:12 < tobago> out
2008-04-10 19:12 < tobago> ban
2008-04-10 19:12 * ThobinDefoe sulks
2008-04-10 19:12 < tobago> nice who ban
2008-04-10 19:12 < tobago> wtg
2008-04-10 19:13 * Mike_H NP: The Tubes - She's a Beauty (1983)
2008-04-10 19:17 * Cream plays sweet songs
2008-04-10 19:17 < HumbertHumbert> Mike_H: Stop spamming that crap every 10 minutes.
2008-04-10 19:17 < Cream> continue that :)
2008-04-10 19:17 < uberpenguin> *WHITE ROOM*
2008-04-10 19:17 < uberpenguin> *CLAPTON*
2008-04-10 19:18 * Cream plays Edith Massey - Big Girls Don't Cry
2008-04-10 19:18 < Cream> Mike_H you'll love it
2008-04-10 19:19 < Messedrocker> you know, i once purchased that song on iTunes
2008-04-10 19:19 < Messedrocker> "White Room"
2008-04-10 19:19 < Messedrocker> it's since vanished from my collection
2008-04-10 19:20 < Cream> Messedrocker, want it?
2008-04-10 19:20 < Cream> not white room
2008-04-10 19:20 < Cream> the song i just spammed
2008-04-10 19:20 < Messedrocker> lord no
2008-04-10 19:21 * Cream plays Josie Cotton - Johnny Are You Queer?
2008-04-10 19:33 < tobago> i declare teh cabal old meme
2008-04-10 19:33 < tobago> wikitruth.org doesnt count as people who care
2008-04-10 19:35 < Messedrocker> it's wikitruth.info
2008-04-10 19:35 < tobago> never been
2008-04-10 19:35 < tobago> and will not
2008-04-10 19:36 < Cream> tobago, what is your wikiuser
2008-04-10 19:37 < tobago> i have a few, why
2008-04-10 19:37 < Cream> how many?
2008-04-10 19:37 < Cream> omg
2008-04-10 19:37 < Cream> sockz
2008-04-10 19:38 < tobago> hah, dunno three
2008-04-10 19:38 < tobago> its okay though
2008-04-10 19:38 < tobago> i only engage in edit wars with myself
2008-04-10 19:38 < Cyrius> ...why?
2008-04-10 19:39 < tobago> to appear controversial
2008-04-10 19:39 < Cyrius> ...why?
2008-04-10 19:39 < tobago> so my third sock has something interesting to watch
2008-04-10 19:39 < Cyrius> so...you're crazy?
2008-04-10 19:39 < nokmar> let's play rps
2008-04-10 19:39 < tobago> my second sock is out of his mind
2008-04-10 19:39 < nokmar> rock!
2008-04-10 19:39 < tobago> sci
2008-04-10 19:39 < tobago> damn
2008-04-10 19:40 < nokmar> paper!
2008-04-10 19:40 < tobago> wait wait
2008-04-10 19:40 < tobago> paper
2008-04-10 19:40 < nokmar> paper!
2008-04-10 19:40 < tobago> paper!
2008-04-10 19:40 < nokmar> paper!
2008-04-10 19:40 < tobago> sci...paper1
2008-04-10 19:40 < tobago> !!!
2008-04-10 19:40 < Cream> banhammer?
2008-04-10 19:40 < nokmar> no thank you =P
2008-04-10 19:40 < nokmar> would you like to play rps?
2008-04-10 19:41 < tobago> no banhammer. we keep it civil here on #wikipedia-rps
2008-04-10 19:41 < Cream> um
2008-04-10 19:41 < Cream> rps in #wikipedia-rps please
2008-04-10 19:41 < tobago> heavens, is there such a channel?
2008-04-10 19:42 < tobago> my ship has come in!
2008-04-10 19:42 < Cream> yes
2008-04-10 19:42 < Cyrius> there can be if you can dream it
2008-04-10 19:42 < Cyrius> believe in the power of dreams!
2008-04-10 19:42 < nokmar> there wasn't while we were playing
2008-04-10 19:42 < nokmar> someone just created it and banned me
2008-04-10 19:42 < Cream> try /knock #wikipedia-rps
2008-04-10 19:43 < nokmar> in any case, forget it.
2008-04-10 19:44 < tobago> new chans up and running
2008-04-10 19:44 < tobago> now to siphon users
2008-04-10 19:44 < tobago> 100 FREE G0ld just for joining!