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2008-04-10 03:43 < Ceiling_Cat> if you have to give 76, you give 3 quarters and a penny (4 coins)
2008-04-10 03:43 < Lubaf> Or, wait, 1, 3, 10, 50?
2008-04-10 03:43 < Ceiling_Cat> the goal is to find 4 values of coins that minimize the average number per transaction
2008-04-10 03:44 < Ceiling_Cat> assuming that transactions are evenly distributed in the range 0 to 99
2008-04-10 03:44 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: 1, 3, 10, 50?
2008-04-10 03:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Understand?
2008-04-10 03:44 < Lycurgus> this can probably make sense, as I say, after you state all the condtions such as repeated sampling etc. Latere.
2008-04-10 03:44 < Lycurgus> *Later.
2008-04-10 03:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - 4.6
2008-04-10 03:45 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Hrm.
2008-04-10 03:45 < Lubaf> I give up.
2008-04-10 03:45 < Ceiling_Cat> the optimal coin values are:
2008-04-10 03:45 < Ceiling_Cat> 37, 11, 3, 1
2008-04-10 03:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral's initial guess (1, 3, 10, 31) was surprisingly close
2008-04-10 03:47 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Given our current number system, we have chosen to optimize for people making change, rather than number of coins per transaction.
2008-04-10 03:47 < Ral315_> What's the mathematical basis for your numbers? I mean, is there a formula?
2008-04-10 03:47 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral315 - I did it by enumeration
2008-04-10 03:47 < Ral315_> I just guessed based on square roots.
2008-04-10 03:47 * Ceiling_Cat has programming skills and cycles to spare
2008-04-10 03:48 < Werdna> another optimisation is to optimise the distribution of each coin, so you don't get one particular coin accumulating
2008-04-10 03:48 < Lubaf> 1, 3, 11, 37... weren't those the basic coins of Britain before they went to the current system?
2008-04-10 03:48 < Ral315_> Figured as much :)
2008-04-10 03:48 < Lubaf> (Obscure British joke.)
2008-04-10 03:48 * Ceiling_Cat has never been able to figure out british money
2008-04-10 03:48 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Nowdays, it's sane.
2008-04-10 03:48 < Ceiling_Cat> schillings, pence, pounds, etc
2008-04-10 03:48 < Ral315_> Yeah, it's good we have the numbers we do.
2008-04-10 03:48 < Lubaf> Back in the day, it was quite quite mad.
2008-04-10 03:48 < Ral315_> People are idiots.
2008-04-10 03:49 < Lubaf> 100 pence = 1 pound.
2008-04-10 03:49 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral315 - Thomas Jefferson designed our money system
2008-04-10 03:49 < Lubaf> That's it, in the current system.
2008-04-10 03:49 < Werdna> Ceiling_Cat: unsuprising. that man was awesome.
2008-04-10 03:49 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - what about schillings?
2008-04-10 03:49 < Ceiling_Cat> and crowns?
2008-04-10 03:49 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Not in use anymore, as far as I know.
2008-04-10 03:49 < Ceiling_Cat> and half-crowns?
2008-04-10 03:49 < Ral315_> Ceiling_Cat, I bet T.J. knew about the idiots who'd have to deal with the coins :)
2008-04-10 03:49 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: All of those went away sometime during Thatcher, IIRC.
2008-04-10 03:50 < Ceiling_Cat> you'll pry these schillings from my cold, dead hands!
2008-04-10 03:50 < Ral315_> The best one I saw was when my sister shorted a cashier 12 cents or so because she wasn't thinking about tax
2008-04-10 03:50 < Ral315_> So the cashier gave her 12 cents back.
2008-04-10 03:50 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral315 - you know what drives me crazy?
2008-04-10 03:50 < Lycurgus> *conditions (in this case the ability to set the denomination. An especially stupid thing in view of the fact that you expliciyly stated the denomimations were:
2008-04-10 03:50 < Lycurgus> 03:33 < Ceiling_Cat> in the US, we have pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters, worth 1, 5, 10, and 25 cents apiece
2008-04-10 03:50 < Ral315_> What's that?
2008-04-10 03:50 < Werdna> Ral315_: your idea of "displaying prices after tax" is stupid.
2008-04-10 03:50 < Werdna> that's ridiculous.
2008-04-10 03:50 < Lycurgus> ).
2008-04-10 03:50 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Schillings, IIRC, have a fixed value in pence now.
2008-04-10 03:50 < Ceiling_Cat> being from delaware, I don't pay sales tax
2008-04-10 03:50 < Lubaf> Or at least they did.
2008-04-10 03:50 < Ral315_> Werdna, when did I have that idea?
2008-04-10 03:50 < Lubaf> They might not be legal tender anymore.
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> "Yes, I'm going to put a price up in the window, and expect people to add an extra 10% to every single transaction."
2008-04-10 03:51 < Ceiling_Cat> so when I got to a store, I expect to pay the value written on the shelf
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> it's madness.
2008-04-10 03:51 < Ral315_> Yeah, I do agree.
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> in Sydney, it's like that.
2008-04-10 03:51 < Ceiling_Cat> it drives me crazy when I'm out of state and have to fork over sales tax
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> SoCal, they add the tax to the prices on the shelf
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> because they're all rich enough to not cae
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> care*
2008-04-10 03:51 < Ral315_> My parents include tax in prices at the bowling center, but I suspect that's because they hate dealing with pennies and nickels.
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> but new york city... geez
2008-04-10 03:51 < Werdna> it was ridiculous!
2008-04-10 03:52 < Lubaf> The hell?
2008-04-10 03:52 < Ral315_> Nice.
2008-04-10 03:52 < Ceiling_Cat> wtf?
2008-04-10 03:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Brown_cat is banned?
2008-04-10 03:52 < Ral315_> Auto join when the bot expires the ban.
2008-04-10 03:52 < Werdna> sign on hot dog stand says "Hot dogs: $2.00"m and I ask for a hot dog
2008-04-10 03:52 < Werdna> "Yes, that will be $2.19"
2008-04-10 03:53 < Werdna> and I'm like FUCK, *grab quarter from wallet*
2008-04-10 03:53 < Lubaf> While holding up the line, right?
2008-04-10 03:53 < Werdna> yeah
2008-04-10 03:53 < Ral315_> You keep quarters in your wallet?
2008-04-10 03:53 < Werdna> ridiculous
2008-04-10 03:53 < Werdna> Ral315_: where am I supposed to keep them?
2008-04-10 03:54 < Ral315_> I always stick them in my pocket, and just empty my change at the end of the day.
2008-04-10 03:54 < Werdna> then again, it IS new york city
2008-04-10 03:54 < Werdna> everything's ridiculous there :p
2008-04-10 03:54 < Werdna> Ral315_: I'm an Australian, we use our change, because our smallest note is $5
2008-04-10 03:54 < Ral315_> Aha
2008-04-10 03:54 < Ral315_> You crazy Aussies, what with your Loonies and Toonies.
2008-04-10 03:54 < Ral315_> (I am aware that's actually Canada)
2008-04-10 03:54 * Werdna stabs Ral315_
2008-04-10 03:54 < Werdna> canada!
2008-04-10 03:54 < Werdna> oh, right
2008-04-10 03:55 < Ral315_> :)
2008-04-10 03:55 < Ral315_> I knew that was coming, so I prepared in advance.
2008-04-10 03:55 * Werdna steals Ral315_'s underscore for that.
2008-04-10 03:57 < Ral315_> I should ghost my other nick, because it's just sitting there logged on, not doing anything.
2008-04-10 03:57 < Werdna> lazy bastard.
2008-04-10 03:57 < Ral315_> Exactly.
2008-04-10 03:58 < Ral315_> I could also reach over literally one foot to my left and disconnect it from IRC :)
2008-04-10 03:59 < brown_cat> yay! :D
2008-04-10 03:59 * brown_cat snuggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-10 04:00 < Ceiling_Cat> brown_cat - no more jokes in bad taste, plz
2008-04-10 04:00 < brown_cat> kk :)
2008-04-10 04:01 < Werdna> kthx
2008-04-10 04:05 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight folks!
2008-04-10 04:07 < SynergeticMag> Werdna: you work with templates right?
2008-04-10 04:07 < Mike_H> This user feels that every man or woman should be treated with dignity, whatever their sexual orientation. However, he understands that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful and is contrary to the Scriptures.
2008-04-10 04:07 < Mike_H> I love that userbox
2008-04-10 04:07 * SynergeticMag is asleep in some sense
2008-04-10 04:07 < Mike_H> Treat them with dignity, except for the going to heaven part
2008-04-10 04:08 < SynergeticMag> no not templates
2008-04-10 04:08 < Werdna> SynergeticMag: no.
2008-04-10 04:08 < Werdna> not templates.
2008-04-10 04:08 < SynergeticMag> do you recall that link on RfA that lets you search for their contrib's to AN and AnI?
2008-04-10 04:08 < Werdna> i dunno
2008-04-10 04:08 < Werdna> look at the toolserver
2008-04-10 04:09 < SynergeticMag> well i had a question about it you might be able to answer
2008-04-10 04:09 < Werdna> Mike_H: {{db-t1}}
2008-04-10 04:10 < SynergeticMag> SynergeticMaggot (talk · contribs · deleted · count · logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · search an, ani, cn, an3)
2008-04-10 04:10 < SynergeticMag> that one
2008-04-10 04:10 < Lubaf> Well, the IOC is going to regret choosing Beijing for a while.
2008-04-10 04:10 < SynergeticMag> at the end theres a search there
2008-04-10 04:11 < Ral315_> Lubaf: Indeed.
2008-04-10 04:13 < Werdna> Mike_H: IMO that's bordering on divisive, and certainly unnecessary on an encyclopedic project.
2008-04-10 04:13 < Werdna> as a plus, you get to drive off fundies who leave in a stink over having it deleted.
2008-04-10 04:30 * brown_cat runs from Wile_E_Coyote
2008-04-10 04:37 < nsh> "42.2 cents of every income-tax dollar you send the IRS goes towards the military"
2008-04-10 04:37 < nsh> they be representationin' ur taxationin'
2008-04-10 04:37 < nsh> globally
2008-04-10 04:39 < IsotropicSpin> yo, so I was thinking of going for it and fleshing out Wikipedia for analytic philosophy. Its really missing a few key things....
2008-04-10 04:40 < IsotropicSpin> Adverbialism (a proposed solution to Brentano's intentionality) as well as a couple of philosophers such as Hue Price, David Braddon-Mitchell, Uriah Kriegel, Kristie Miller, etc etc
2008-04-10 04:40 < IsotropicSpin> No article on "Australian Materialism" either
2008-04-10 04:40 < IsotropicSpin> which is interesting for historical purposes
2008-04-10 04:44 < nsh> IsotropicSpin++
2008-04-10 04:44 < nsh> remember to apply spin in all directions equally for maximum npov
2008-04-10 04:49 < nsh> wtf
2008-04-10 04:49 < nsh> Blackwater is hired by the state department
2008-04-10 04:53 < flamingspinach> hi guys
2008-04-10 04:53 < flamingspinach> think I found a glitch in mediawiki
2008-04-10 04:53 < flamingspinach> where should I report it?
2008-04-10 04:56 < IsotropicSpin> no idea I am new here but I might guess ask at #wikimedia too
2008-04-10 04:56 < Werdna> no
2008-04-10 04:57 < Werdna> #mediawiki
2008-04-10 04:57 < Werdna> what's the problem?
2008-04-10 04:57 * Werdna <-- developer.
2008-04-10 04:57 < flamingspinach> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&isbn=4789007758#Lists_of_book_sources_focused_on_other_languages
2008-04-10 04:58 < flamingspinach> check out the links to Korean, Serbian, and Japanese
2008-04-10 04:58 < flamingspinach> actually I guess this stuff is not hardcoded, so it's probably more a wikipedia problem
2008-04-10 04:58 * Mike_H NP: Sheena Easton - Morning Train (Nine to Five) (1980)
2008-04-10 05:06 * brown_cat gives Mike_H a biiig hug
2008-04-10 05:07 < flamingspinach> Werdna beep :o
2008-04-10 05:07 * Lycurgus discovers the "balanced time perspective"
2008-04-10 05:08 < Lycurgus> hello StayTuned
2008-04-10 05:09 * brown_cat discovers popcorn
2008-04-10 05:11 < Lycurgus> what did you do to get banned?
2008-04-10 05:13 < brown_cat> Lycurgus: accused jimbo of being a kiddie fiddler in my part message
2008-04-10 05:13 < Lycurgus> ah
2008-04-10 05:13 < The359> why?
2008-04-10 05:13 < Lycurgus> that's prolly over the line
2008-04-10 05:14 < brown_cat> I don't know, why did madonna tie herself to a cross for her concerts? because it's controvercial xD
2008-04-10 05:14 < brown_cat> and controvercial is usually fun ^_^
2008-04-10 05:14 < Lycurgus> I called him an idiot once and regularly refer to ihr as a "typhoon" but I think that is within the line.
2008-04-10 05:15 < Lycurgus> chinese tv showed her new video with justin timberlake yesterday
2008-04-10 05:15 < brown_cat> 4 minutes?
2008-04-10 05:16 < Lycurgus> yes. It seemed dated.
2008-04-10 05:16 < brown_cat> I loove it (listen to it now)
2008-04-10 05:16 < Lycurgus> no.
2008-04-10 05:16 < brown_cat> clever video graphics
2008-04-10 05:16 < Lycurgus> I'm listening to (the end of) Ode to Billy Joe
2008-04-10 05:18 * brown_cat goes to harvest billy joel's soul
2008-04-10 05:20 < StayTuned> hello Lycurgus
2008-04-10 05:21 < Lycurgus> yello
2008-04-10 05:22 < StayTuned> is that Lycurgus as in bracket fungi?
2008-04-10 05:23 < StayTuned> btw - haven't slept much - forgive the question
2008-04-10 05:24 < Thehelpfulone2> StayTuned: go to sleep then ;)
2008-04-10 05:25 < StayTuned> bah - I'm uploading
2008-04-10 05:27 < OverlordQ> google analytics is so nice
2008-04-10 05:27 < brown_cat> o_O
2008-04-10 05:27 < brown_cat> OverlordQ = Paul
2008-04-10 05:28 < OverlordQ> I'm what now?
2008-04-10 05:28 < brown_cat> is your name paul?
2008-04-10 05:28 < OverlordQ> I've been called Amish, but never paul
2008-04-10 05:28 < brown_cat> kk :)
2008-04-10 05:28 < brown_cat> I know someone who uses the same name as you who is called paul :)
2008-04-10 05:31 < OverlordQ> lies my name is unique
2008-04-10 05:32 < Lycurgus> StayTuned: I'm unaware of any connection.
2008-04-10 05:52 < brown_cat> "As well as being one of the most influential spiritual leaders of Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama by tradition is also Tibet's absolute political ruler. In 1939 at the age of four he was taken by lamas in a procession to Lhasa" <--- proof lamas are plotting against the human race
2008-04-10 06:01 < Golbez> lamas are human
2008-04-10 06:14 < dav7> okay guys, to whoever was in here when I brought my bot in before: Thanks very much for those queries, I think I've fixed every single bug now... hah, it's taken long enough
2008-04-10 06:14 < dav7> brown_cat: lol
2008-04-10 06:15 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-04-10 06:15 < brown_cat> HUMAN LAMAS
2008-04-10 06:15 < brown_cat> I TOLD YOU BESTIALITY
2008-04-10 06:15 < dav7> >.<
2008-04-10 06:15 < brown_cat> ...IS BAD
2008-04-10 06:16 < dav7> ack, Mark_Ryan isn't here
2008-04-10 06:18 < HumbertHumbert> N.W.A was inspired to write the classic after Dr. Dre and Eazy-E were pulled over by cops for carrying out a series of drive-by paintball shootings.
2008-04-10 06:18 < HumbertHumbert> Dr. Dre and the late Eazy-E were so disgusted by what they thought was mistreatment at the hands of the police, that they immediately went to the studio to record the song which became an instant gangsta rap anthem.
2008-04-10 06:18 < HumbertHumbert> Dre recalls: "It was me and Eazy riding around. He had this paintball gun, and he was shooting people at bus stops. The cops caught us and we were face down on the freeway with guns pointed at us. We thought it was bullshit. So we went to the studio and created the song."
2008-04-10 06:18 < HumbertHumbert> What... the... hell?
2008-04-10 06:18 < HumbertHumbert> Is this true?
2008-04-10 06:18 < HumbertHumbert> Paintball drive-by shootings?
2008-04-10 06:18 < HumbertHumbert> They shot random strangers with paintball guns and didn't expect the police or anyone else to do anything? :S
2008-04-10 06:18 < Golbez> that's gangsta
2008-04-10 06:19 < HumbertHumbert> Paint... ball?
2008-04-10 06:20 < The359> Keeping it real, homes
2008-04-10 06:20 < p858snake> HumbertHumbert> Paintball drive-by shootings? <yeap, apprently it was some big craze at one stage in the us
2008-04-10 06:22 < dav7> p858snake: wow
2008-04-10 06:22 < HumbertHumbert> Very strange.
2008-04-10 06:23 < dav7> hah... law{less,full}ness aside, that would be really awesome :D
2008-04-10 06:23 < HumbertHumbert> How the hell can they think it's "bullshit" to get caught by the police when you SHOOT PEOPLE WITH PAINTBALL GUNS?
2008-04-10 06:23 < dav7> lol
2008-04-10 06:23 < p858snake> didn't expect the police or anyone else to do anything? :S <most people only think about murder charges and stuff, not the attemped murder, injury and such
2008-04-10 06:23 < HumbertHumbert> My respect for NWA just got -= 200.
2008-04-10 06:24 < dav7> hah
2008-04-10 06:24 < dav7> if you shoot moneyball guns at them (with dollar bills for pellets) so they can get their clothes dry cleaned, I'd say you all's good and that you have a fair deal
2008-04-10 06:24 < dav7> :P
2008-04-10 06:24 < HumbertHumbert> No, because that is a lot of work.
2008-04-10 06:25 < dav7> well, okay, true
2008-04-10 06:25 < HumbertHumbert> And time and effort is money.
2008-04-10 06:25 < dav7> true...
2008-04-10 06:25 < dav7> what about airsoft?
2008-04-10 06:25 < p858snake> dav7: the impact depending speed and volicity would still injury
2008-04-10 06:25 < HumbertHumbert> If the balls contain new clothes... and a stand to change in...
2008-04-10 06:25 < dav7> haha
2008-04-10 06:25 < HumbertHumbert> Airsoft is dangerous as fuck. You go blind if they hit your eye.
2008-04-10 06:25 < dav7> really?
2008-04-10 06:25 < HumbertHumbert> Yes.
2008-04-10 06:25 < dav7> I've never actually played paintball, or airsoft
2008-04-10 06:25 * dav7 can has retarded country?
2008-04-10 06:26 < dav7> no, seriously, at least it keeps the terrorists at bay.
2008-04-10 06:26 < dav7> HumbertHumbert: wow... I really... am... wow.
2008-04-10 06:26 < HumbertHumbert> ?
2008-04-10 06:26 * dav7 <-- shock * 93485769238756283453
2008-04-10 06:26 < p858snake> anything that is a solid object and hits your eye can and most likely will cause damage
2008-04-10 06:27 < dav7> well my terminal window is solid and has sharp edges
2008-04-10 06:27 < dav7> and it's never poked my eye
2008-04-10 06:27 < dav7> so...
2008-04-10 06:27 < HumbertHumbert> So... what?
2008-04-10 06:27 < dav7> nvm, bad joke
2008-04-10 06:27 < dav7> okay guys, Mark_Ryan isn't here right now, who votes no bot?
2008-04-10 06:28 < dav7> if you saw what it was like before, note that it's quite a bit better now...
2008-04-10 06:28 < dav7> ("bot" = wikipedia search thingy)
2008-04-10 06:28 < dav7> it's my first plugin :D
2008-04-10 06:28 < dav7> (for my first self-written bot, heh)
2008-04-10 06:28 * dav7 grabs it
2008-04-10 06:29 < dav7> *bot fails and joins the wrong channel*
2008-04-10 06:29 < HumbertHumbert> ?
2008-04-10 06:29 < HumbertHumbert> Votes no bot?
2008-04-10 06:29 < dav7> s/channel/network\ and\ channel/
2008-04-10 06:29 < HumbertHumbert> What kind of bizarro dimension is this?
2008-04-10 06:29 < dav7> HumbertHumbert: who doesn't want my bot in here :P
2008-04-10 06:29 < dav7> HAI BOTZOR
2008-04-10 06:29 < dav7> ^ my bot =P
2008-04-10 06:29 < HumbertHumbert> botzor: Are you a bot?
2008-04-10 06:29 < botzor> HumbertHumbert: Use Linux!
2008-04-10 06:30 < HumbertHumbert> botzor: Does Linux suck?
2008-04-10 06:30 < botzor> HumbertHumbert: Use Linux!
2008-04-10 06:30 < dav7> "did I get highlighted?" + "was the last character a ?" = "Use Linux!"
2008-04-10 06:30 < dav7> :P
2008-04-10 06:30 < HumbertHumbert> botzor: You are a badly programmed bot.
2008-04-10 06:30 < dav7> true
2008-04-10 06:30 < dav7> okay, now for the cool stuff... ask it what something is :D
2008-04-10 06:30 < HumbertHumbert> botzor: What is Humbert Humbert?
2008-04-10 06:30 < botzor> HumbertHumbert: Use Linux!
2008-04-10 06:31 < dav7> erm
2008-04-10 06:31 < dav7> ack
2008-04-10 06:31 * dav7 forgot something
2008-04-10 06:31 < dav7> there, now it doesn't fail
2008-04-10 06:31 < dav7> HumbertHumbert: don't highlight it
2008-04-10 06:31 < dav7> just ask :P
2008-04-10 06:31 < HumbertHumbert> What is Humbert Humbert?
2008-04-10 06:32 < botzor> HumbertHumbert: dav7: !!!!!!!!!!
2008-04-10 06:32 < dav7> lol... LOLOL
2008-04-10 06:32 < Aqwis> botzor, are bots allowed in #wikipedia?
2008-04-10 06:32 < HumbertHumbert> brokebot.
2008-04-10 06:32 < Aqwis> hurrrrr
2008-04-10 06:32 < p858snake> dav7: fail at bottage
2008-04-10 06:32 < HumbertHumbert> It went nuts.
2008-04-10 06:32 < dav7> okay, it fails =P
2008-04-10 07:50 < Leslie_S> why oh why does [[anal-oral sex]] need a picture :(
2008-04-10 07:51 < nsh> photo or manga?
2008-04-10 07:51 < Leslie_S> manga
2008-04-10 07:51 < Leslie_S> to be honest, its a little bit ambiguous...he could be eating pussy too
2008-04-10 07:53 < Leslie_S> Brushing the teeth, flossing, undergoing dental work, or eating crunchy foods such as potato chips relatively soon before or after performing anilingus also increases the risk of transmission, because all of these activities can cause small scratches on the inside of the lips, cheeks and palate. These wounds, even when they are microscopic, increase the chances of contracting STDs that can be transmitted orally under these conditions. Such contac
2008-04-10 07:53 < Leslie_S> lols
2008-04-10 07:54 < Leslie_S> "WOW, THIS DENTAL SURGERY SURE TURNS ME ON! LETS GO RIM!"
2008-04-10 07:59 < IsotropicSpin> leslie... you should check out the Sexology page, and all the sex terms in sexology
2008-04-10 07:59 < IsotropicSpin> entertaining reading
2008-04-10 07:59 < IsotropicSpin> Statuephilia
2008-04-10 07:59 < IsotropicSpin> check that page out
2008-04-10 08:00 < IsotropicSpin> I love wikipedia. The day it starts censoring this, is the day it loses its soul!
2008-04-10 08:05 < Leslie_S> IsotropicSpin lol.
2008-04-10 08:05 < Leslie_S> oh god
2008-04-10 08:05 < Leslie_S> The song "Moist Vagina" by Nirvana references oral-anal contact. A portion of the lyrics: "I've been sucking the walls of her anus."
2008-04-10 08:05 < Leslie_S> I hope there isnt really a song named that
2008-04-10 08:05 < Leslie_S> thats pretty stupid ;/
2008-04-10 08:07 < Leslie_S> http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Moist-Vagina-lyrics-Nirvana/62C4ECBE6B6D978348256BBF00073236
2008-04-10 08:07 < Leslie_S> oh god. lol.
2008-04-10 08:08 < Leslie_S> but apparently its actually about marijuana..
2008-04-10 09:01 < zocky> ZOMG, WTF JUST HAPPENED?
2008-04-10 09:03 < Werdna> zocky: that's called puberty
2008-04-10 09:03 * Werdna runs
2008-04-10 09:04 < zocky> hehe, just testing if anybody at all is reading the channel
2008-04-10 09:04 * Werdna is.
2008-04-10 09:04 < Werdna> occasionally, anyway
2008-04-10 09:07 < TheWeasel> "Among the few states that retain a rather absolute monarchy are Brunei, Oman, Saudi Arabia and Vatican City."
2008-04-10 09:07 < TheWeasel> Bhutan?
2008-04-10 09:07 < Aqwis> i feel the norwegian monarchy is absolute :|
2008-04-10 09:08 < arcimboldo_> Bhutan has just had its first democratic elections.
2008-04-10 09:08 < zocky> TheWeasel, i think they're reforming stuff in bhutan atm
2008-04-10 09:08 < TheWeasel> oh yea
2008-04-10 09:08 < TheWeasel> "rather absolute" is a funny term
2008-04-10 09:08 < Aqwis> against the peoples' wish, according to the media
2008-04-10 09:08 < arcimboldo_> But I would consider Oman much more democratic than the UAE.
2008-04-10 09:08 < Aqwis> *shrug*
2008-04-10 09:08 < zocky> but, what about liechtenstein?
2008-04-10 09:08 < NotASpy> the Vatican - the Pope is elected then has absolute power.
2008-04-10 09:08 < TheWeasel> Liechtenstein is fairly democratic by now
2008-04-10 09:08 < zocky> the prince of liechtenstein is not elected, and has near-absolute power
2008-04-10 09:09 < Aqwis> does he use his power though?
2008-04-10 09:09 < TheWeasel> Monaco maybe.
2008-04-10 09:09 < arcimboldo_> liechtenstein has a party system, albeit with strong power of the ruler
2008-04-10 09:09 < zocky> TheWeasel, used to be 10 years ago. they changed the constitution since, because the prince threatened he would take his money out of the country.
2008-04-10 09:09 < TheWeasel> I remember.
2008-04-10 09:09 < TheWeasel> Monaco is fairly top-to-bottom
2008-04-10 09:09 < arcimboldo_> Oman has had a parliament with elections for quite a few years I believe.
2008-04-10 09:09 < arcimboldo_> and the UAE haven't
2008-04-10 09:10 < TheWeasel> yea, but federalism and absolutism usually don't blend.
2008-04-10 09:10 < zocky> of course, many classical absolutist monarchies had elected parliaments
2008-04-10 09:11 * p858snake is away: User Has Marked Away Status.
2008-04-10 09:11 < arcimboldo_> hm ... that would mean a zero-power parliament
2008-04-10 09:11 < TheWeasel> German parliaments usually had a third of their parliament elected
2008-04-10 09:11 < TheWeasel> in the post-1870 federalism
2008-04-10 09:11 < zocky> TheWeasel, and the rest were appointed by whom?
2008-04-10 09:12 < TheWeasel> the monarch
2008-04-10 09:12 < TheWeasel> it's kind of an integral House of Lords
2008-04-10 09:12 < arcimboldo_> Prussia had a "modern" three tier election system.
2008-04-10 09:12 < TheWeasel> (in a unicameral legislature)
2008-04-10 09:12 < TheWeasel> Yea, I rather meant the smaller states
2008-04-10 09:12 < zocky> in places like france the whole parliament was elected (not by general suffrage, of course), but it didn't have any real power
2008-04-10 09:12 < arcimboldo_> Where the seats were stratified by the taxes paid rather than the number of heads.
2008-04-10 09:13 < dav7> I'll just move along if I'm interrupting, but my bot is coming along well... try asking it what or who something is to give it a spin (and note that it's alpha-beta, it might go ASDFG;;(*%BEEEEEP and explode)
2008-04-10 09:13 < TheWeasel> I don't think there was ever any blatant gerrymandering in Germany, not even anti-socialist
2008-04-10 09:13 < TheWeasel> (except in terms of suffrage)
2008-04-10 09:13 < zocky> TheWeasel, define "germany"
2008-04-10 09:14 < zocky> TheWeasel, you mean since 1871, 1981, 1945?
2008-04-10 09:14 < TheWeasel> Well, after 1871.
2008-04-10 09:14 < zocky> *1918
2008-04-10 09:14 < dav7> ...okay, byebye
2008-04-10 09:15 < TheWeasel> they had odd requirements in 1990 that I still don't fully understand
2008-04-10 09:15 < TheWeasel> due to unification
2008-04-10 09:15 < zocky> TheWeasel, what was the electoral system before WWI?
2008-04-10 09:15 < zocky> gerrymandering wouldn't really make a difference in your current system, I would think
2008-04-10 09:16 < TheWeasel> In Prussia certainly it was multi-member constituencies
2008-04-10 09:16 < TheWeasel> they were very large
2008-04-10 09:16 < TheWeasel> no it wouldn't.
2008-04-10 09:16 < TheWeasel> that's true.
2008-04-10 09:17 < TheWeasel> not very much, anyway. except a thing called Überhangmandate
2008-04-10 09:17 < TheWeasel> if you gain more direct constituencies than would be your due in the vote share, you're allowed to keep those
2008-04-10 09:17 < arcimboldo_> [[Overhang seat]]
2008-04-10 09:17 < TheWeasel> Yep.
2008-04-10 09:18 < zocky> TheWeasel, ah, I thought they just increase the total number of MPs in that case
2008-04-10 09:18 < TheWeasel> no
2008-04-10 09:18 < zocky> so the end result is not necessarily proportional?
2008-04-10 09:19 < arcimboldo_> it would be impractical to do that.
2008-04-10 09:19 < TheWeasel> it can diverge slightly
2008-04-10 09:19 < TheWeasel> I have met two or three people in my life who fully understand the finer points of the German system.
2008-04-10 09:19 < TheWeasel> I don't.#
2008-04-10 09:19 < zocky> well yeah, you have a lot of mps
2008-04-10 09:19 < TheWeasel> Not as many as we used to
2008-04-10 09:19 < arcimboldo_> In particular two parties could do a campaign - one party gets all the candidate votes, another gets all the party list votes...
2008-04-10 09:19 < TheWeasel> the "legal" number of MPs at any time is now 598
2008-04-10 09:19 < arcimboldo_> The result would be interesting.
2008-04-10 09:19 < TheWeasel> that's fewer than the UK has, which has fewer inhabitants
2008-04-10 09:20 < arcimboldo_> particular -> principle
2008-04-10 09:20 < zocky> TheWeasel, I don't think that the number of constituents per MP matters much
2008-04-10 09:20 < TheWeasel> Except in terms of money spent
2008-04-10 09:20 < TheWeasel> it can't be too few, at any case
2008-04-10 09:20 < zocky> it's more about group dynamics. a parliament with 600 members works different than one with 120 or 20 members
2008-04-10 09:20 < TheWeasel> a parliament of, say, twelve people would be inadequate
2008-04-10 09:21 < arcimboldo_> it could be a village council
2008-04-10 09:21 < TheWeasel> It works for villages.
2008-04-10 09:21 < zocky> montenegro has 20 MPs, I think, i.e. one for ~30,000 people
2008-04-10 09:21 * Werdna expires 4 BRFAs
2008-04-10 09:22 < TheWeasel> but it's too raw to accurately reflect an electoral result
2008-04-10 09:22 < TheWeasel> you'd have to have too many votes to get one MP more than the other party
2008-04-10 09:22 < zocky> nah, they changed it to 77
2008-04-10 09:22 < zocky> which means one MP for 8000 people
2008-04-10 09:22 < zocky> not bad, if you want to be a politician :)
2008-04-10 09:22 < arcimboldo_> Depends what the payment is ...
2008-04-10 09:23 < TheWeasel> Here, it's one for roughly 135,000 people, it seems.
2008-04-10 09:23 < zocky> ~22,000 here
2008-04-10 09:24 < arcimboldo_> Montenegro may be comparable to the senate of the German city state of Bremen.
2008-04-10 09:24 < arcimboldo_> also in terms of the voters per seat ratio
2008-04-10 09:24 < zocky> except bremen probably has more people
2008-04-10 09:24 < TheWeasel> and the constituencies are bound to be twice that size
2008-04-10 09:24 < arcimboldo_> Bremen just has 600000 or so
2008-04-10 09:24 < TheWeasel> Bremen has two constituencies
2008-04-10 09:24 < arcimboldo_> Including Bremerhaven
2008-04-10 09:24 < TheWeasel> à 270,000 or something
2008-04-10 09:25 < TheWeasel> yea, Bremen One and Bremen II - Bremerhaven
2008-04-10 09:25 < arcimboldo_> In 2005, the population of the city was estimated to be 545,983 (the state with the city Bremerhaven having a population of 664,080)
2008-04-10 09:25 < TheWeasel> both held for decades by the SPD
2008-04-10 09:25 < zocky> ah, and oldenburg is outside the city state?
2008-04-10 09:25 < TheWeasel> it is
2008-04-10 09:25 < TheWeasel> Oldenburg used to have odd exclaves
2008-04-10 09:25 < arcimboldo_> Oldenburg is in lower saxony
2008-04-10 09:25 < TheWeasel> in Palatinate, around the river Nahe
2008-04-10 09:25 < TheWeasel> Birkenfeld
2008-04-10 09:26 < TheWeasel> that's about the only thing I find it notable for
2008-04-10 09:26 < zocky> ok, that makes sense then. I knew bremen was a very large city
2008-04-10 09:26 < arcimboldo_> Well, it is similar to Liechtenstein ...
2008-04-10 09:26 < TheWeasel> besides that, the south is among the most staunchly Catholic areas in Northern Germany or indeed anywhere
2008-04-10 09:26 < arcimboldo_> Just that the other territories do not belong to "their state" (any more)
2008-04-10 09:26 < TheWeasel> (of the old Duchy of Oldenburg)
2008-04-10 09:27 < zocky> maybe you should start some silly movement like historic counties in england and demand that old names be used?
2008-04-10 09:27 < TheWeasel> there is gerrymandering, in the sense that those areas are contained in one constituency by their own demand, Cloppenburg and Vechta
2008-04-10 09:27 * TheWeasel rides to Westmoreland
2008-04-10 09:28 < TheWeasel> Cumberland and Westmoreland are both no longer extant I think
2008-04-10 09:28 < arcimboldo_> Well, as long as the 70% CDU voters in Vechta are contained within their constituency and don't contaminate the surrounding constituencies I don't care that much.
2008-04-10 09:28 < TheWeasel> both in Cumbria/Lancashire/Peak District now
2008-04-10 09:28 < TheWeasel> They are.
2008-04-10 09:29 < TheWeasel> As I said (unsourced, but it stands) on the SPD article
2008-04-10 09:30 < TheWeasel> the [[Emsland]] is a CDU bastion, while [[East Frisia]] just to the north is one of the few remaining hideouts for a dying social democracy in Germany.
2008-04-10 09:30 < zocky> our government is inventing new names for our soon-to-be established provinces (they've been soon-to-be-established for 18 years) because the borders won't exactly follow the historic austrohungarian provinces, and they think that would be a problem
2008-04-10 09:30 < TheWeasel> (didn't say the last bit)
2008-04-10 09:31 < zocky> meanwhile, people have been ignoring the old borders for the last 90 years, and when they say "carinthia" now, they mean "where the carinthian dialect is spoken", which includes big chunks of styria anyway
2008-04-10 09:31 < TheWeasel> We had the fortune that "länder" designed by the GDR before 1952 were actually quite smart.
2008-04-10 09:31 < zocky> "big" in slovenian terms, of course :P
2008-04-10 09:31 < TheWeasel> heh, yea
2008-04-10 09:32 < TheWeasel> they just had too many districts
2008-04-10 09:32 < TheWeasel> so they have local government reform after local government reform now
2008-04-10 09:32 < arcimboldo_> on the other hand, it meant the creation of an inefficiently large number of states in East Germany after the reunification.
2008-04-10 09:33 < zocky> do people still call what happened in 1990 "unification", or is the more correct term "annexation" gaining any usage? :)
2008-04-10 09:34 < arcimboldo_> Don't know ... I had never been a great aficionado of national emotion.
2008-04-10 09:34 < arcimboldo_> Depends on who you talk to in the East ...
2008-04-10 09:34 < TheWeasel> I don't know if it's so great to have to drive loads to your local offices.
2008-04-10 09:34 < arcimboldo_> At least we now have an East German chancellor.
2008-04-10 09:34 < TheWeasel> as long as it's not called the Anschluss
2008-04-10 09:34 < TheNobleSith> hello
2008-04-10 09:34 < zocky> "annexation" doesn't necessarily mean something bad
2008-04-10 09:35 < TheNobleSith> no, it doesn't
2008-04-10 09:35 < zocky> but it's obvious that DDR was annexed to BRD
2008-04-10 09:35 < arcimboldo_> Hmwell, one shouldn't be too romantic about the GDR.
2008-04-10 09:35 < TheWeasel> EXCEPT FOR THE AMPELMÄNNCHEN
2008-04-10 09:36 < arcimboldo_> and the green arrow ...
2008-04-10 09:36 < TheWeasel> Fine, so it's like saying "you forgot poland"
2008-04-10 09:36 < TheWeasel> Yes.
2008-04-10 09:36 < zocky> arcimboldo_, it's not a question of romanticism. unification would be if both countries together formed a new country, with new institutions, etc.
2008-04-10 09:36 < TheWeasel> and a billion progressive pop bands
2008-04-10 09:36 < arcimboldo_> The fact is that the West has changed after that too.
2008-04-10 09:37 < TheWeasel> the people demanded it
2008-04-10 09:37 < zocky> what really happened was that DDR was subsumed into BRD as 4(?) new provinces, their institutions were abolished, and BRD's institutions extended to cover the east
2008-04-10 09:37 < arcimboldo_> But perhaps in a different way from what one would consider convergence.
2008-04-10 09:37 < TheWeasel> they gave 'em a chance to vote for unification sceptics when the plans were on the table
2008-04-10 09:37 < TheWeasel> Five.
2008-04-10 09:37 < arcimboldo_> 5 1/2
2008-04-10 09:37 < TheWeasel> Well, yes.
2008-04-10 09:37 < TheWeasel> Hard to say if East Berlin is now sucked up by West Berlin
2008-04-10 09:38 < TheWeasel> the political system is much the same
2008-04-10 09:38 < TheWeasel> Berlin was never a province, it was just Berlin, Hauptstadt der DDR
2008-04-10 09:38 < arcimboldo_> they've by now taken over the former SED into their government ...
2008-04-10 09:39 < arcimboldo_> So it seems quite balanced.
2008-04-10 09:39 < TheWeasel> yea, 2001.
2008-04-10 09:39 < TheWeasel> the Berlin Linke is actually quite reasonable.
2008-04-10 09:39 < arcimboldo_> true ...
2008-04-10 09:39 < TheWeasel> the worst of the bunch exist in the West
2008-04-10 09:40 < zocky> well, the problem with socialism/communism was never the intentions
2008-04-10 09:40 < TheWeasel> those are former 68-ers, mostly reformed Trotzkists with a decidedly conspiratorial outlook on things.
2008-04-10 09:40 < zocky> it was the bad science that the solutions were based on
2008-04-10 09:40 < zocky> the idea that you can reeducate people to be totally different
2008-04-10 09:40 < TheWeasel> Or thinking political science was the same as natural science.
2008-04-10 09:41 < TheWeasel> they should have said "the theories of Marx are true because they work" instead of "the theories of Marx work because they're true"
2008-04-10 09:41 < arcimboldo_> zocky: I think the other key error in that belief is that capitalism is incompatible with any social understanding
2008-04-10 09:42 < TheWeasel> (68ers = participants of the Student Revolt of 1968, a few of which radicalized themselves to sympathize with the RAF in the 1970s)
2008-04-10 09:42 < arcimboldo_> Why may have been reflecting the early industrial capitalism when Marx lived ...
2008-04-10 09:42 < Leslie_S> my cfls are flickering :(
2008-04-10 09:42 < zocky> IMO, the bad science is the main cause of the crisis of the left
2008-04-10 09:42 * TheWeasel thinks the key error is a mistaken believe in a natural law of all that Marx ever wrote
2008-04-10 09:42 < zocky> left parties need to get rid of their social-science ideologues
2008-04-10 09:43 < arcimboldo_> Why -> which
2008-04-10 09:43 < arcimboldo_> (not my "type the word that I meant to type" day)
2008-04-10 09:43 < zocky> yeah, the idea that what marks wrote in 1848 applies 100% to 1945 was another problem
2008-04-10 09:44 < arcimboldo_> and there's the famous Marx quote "I'm not a Marxist"
2008-04-10 09:44 < TheWeasel> and plus the willingness to pick and choose what suited those in power.
2008-04-10 09:44 < TheWeasel> in what of Marx they liked and didn't like, and to re-interpret it their way.
2008-04-10 09:45 < TheWeasel> and STILL sell it as the original thing
2008-04-10 09:45 * TheWeasel hates it when people ask for citations in article introduction, before the contents
2008-04-10 09:46 < zocky> TheWeasel, yeah, me to
2008-04-10 09:46 < zocky> ideally, there should be no citations in the intro
2008-04-10 09:46 < TheWeasel> if the introduction is right, it only repeats points that are in the main body anyway
2008-04-10 09:47 < zocky> because the intro is exactly what we supposedly shouldn't be doing, i.e. "synthesis"
2008-04-10 09:48 < zocky> Muslims by nationality (obselete: check CIA website)
2008-04-10 09:48 < TheWeasel> heh
2008-04-10 09:48 < zocky> because it's in CIA's power to decide which ethnic groups are obsolete :)
2008-04-10 09:50 < zocky> hehe, my intervention re religion among slavs still stands after a couple years - czechs are correctly described as mostly atheist, not catholic
2008-04-10 09:51 < TheWeasel> Jan Hus spoiled them.
2008-04-10 09:52 < TheWeasel> East Germany is overwhelmingly Once-A-Year-Christian in the country (to give to the preservation of the church building, they attend Christmas service)
2008-04-10 09:52 < TheWeasel> and nonce-a-year in the cities
2008-04-10 09:56 < Ningyou> east germany <3
2008-04-10 09:56 < Ningyou> I shall drink my Vita Cola now ->
2008-04-10 09:57 < TheWeasel> That is a vile brew.
2008-04-10 09:57 < TheWeasel> >.
2008-04-10 09:57 < TheWeasel> <
2008-04-10 09:58 < TheWeasel> Club-Cola was vaguely drinkable
2008-04-10 09:59 * TheWeasel ist "Wieder im Afri-Cola-Rausch"
2008-04-10 10:00 < HumbertHumbert> Hello, friends.
2008-04-10 10:00 * TheWeasel is NOT Amanda Lear
2008-04-10 10:01 < HumbertHumbert> What would be the reason for the (s and )s to become %28 and %29s here? (He posted them like that -- it is not the forum software that has a bug.) http://www.anontalk.com/topic/1015#reply_3158
2008-04-10 10:01 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> so... it looks like eBay have screwed their Australian business
2008-04-10 10:01 * Werdna pokes ta_bu_shi_da_yu violently
2008-04-10 10:01 < Werdna> what the hell are you doing up at midnight?
2008-04-10 10:01 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> heya Werdna
2008-04-10 10:01 < Werdna> the baby's keeping you up, eh?
2008-04-10 10:01 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> insomnia
2008-04-10 10:01 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> and was reading the eBay Australia forums
2008-04-10 10:01 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ya
2008-04-10 10:01 < TheWeasel> aw
2008-04-10 10:01 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> did anyone see what they've done?
2008-04-10 10:01 * Werdna tickles ta_bu_shi_da_yu's baby
2008-04-10 10:02 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> oh noes!
2008-04-10 10:02 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> you woke the baby
2008-04-10 10:02 < TheWeasel> "Communist state is a term used by..."
2008-04-10 10:02 < HumbertHumbert> Werdna: Not everyone lives in your timezone.
2008-04-10 10:02 < Werdna> HumbertHumbert: he happens to.
2008-04-10 10:02 < TheWeasel> wait wait wait, there is a state in Communism?
2008-04-10 10:02 < zocky> i should start a payline for giving advice on getting rid of your ISP's useless software and setting up the router to work as expected
2008-04-10 10:02 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ya... I live in Australia
2008-04-10 10:02 < HumbertHumbert> Hmmz.
2008-04-10 10:02 < zocky> I seem to be instructing people on that several times a week
2008-04-10 10:02 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> so Werdna, did you see what they did?
2008-04-10 10:02 < Werdna> no
2008-04-10 10:02 < Werdna> I've been flat out writing global blocking and central login and other goodies.
2008-04-10 10:02 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> eBay have now restricted payment only to PayPal
2008-04-10 10:02 < Werdna> ...
2008-04-10 10:03 < Werdna> what
2008-04-10 10:03 < Werdna> the
2008-04-10 10:03 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> say bye bye Australian arm of eBay
2008-04-10 10:03 < Werdna> fuck
2008-04-10 10:03 < Werdna> ?
2008-04-10 10:03 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> yup
2008-04-10 10:03 < HumbertHumbert> What would be the reason for the (s and )s to become %28 and %29s here? (He posted them like that -- it is not the forum software that has a bug.) http://www.anontalk.com/topic/1015#reply_3158
2008-04-10 10:03 < Fennec> someone urlencoding
2008-04-10 10:03 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> http://forums.ebay.com.au/forum.jspa?forumID=18
2008-04-10 10:03 < HumbertHumbert> Strange. He must be using a strange browser.
2008-04-10 10:03 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> http://forums.ebay.com.au/thread.jspa?threadID=500078803&tstart=0&mod=1207790153828
2008-04-10 10:04 < HumbertHumbert> "eBay have now restricted payment only to PayPal" <-- o_O
2008-04-10 10:04 < HumbertHumbert> I keep getting amazed by how FUCKING STUPID all these HUGE companies are.
2008-04-10 10:04 < HumbertHumbert> Are they run by monkeys?
2008-04-10 10:04 < HumbertHumbert> They have the power to do fucking awesome things.
2008-04-10 10:04 < HumbertHumbert> And yet they do shit like that.
2008-04-10 10:05 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> lol
2008-04-10 10:05 < Leslie_S> i am so goddamn sick of irc
2008-04-10 10:05 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I swear, they have made one of the biggest mistakes ever
2008-04-10 10:05 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I think that they thought they'd make a motsa out of us...
2008-04-10 10:05 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> given that they own PayPal
2008-04-10 10:05 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> and there is a 1-2.5% fee on using it
2008-04-10 10:05 < zocky> HumbertHumbert, when I click on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Five_O'Clock_Somewhere in xchat, it takes me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Five_O%27Clock_Somewhere in firefox
2008-04-10 10:06 * TheWeasel has never used PayPal
2008-04-10 10:07 < zocky> HumbertHumbert, they're only interested in bonus payouts for the management ^W^W^W^W^W making profits for their shareholders
2008-04-10 10:07 < Leslie_S> HumbertHumbert omg, they did that?
2008-04-10 10:08 < Leslie_S> HumbertHumbert and i thought they went too far when they banned sellers from leaving negative feedback!
2008-04-10 10:08 < _kmh_> hi
2008-04-10 10:08 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> so yeah... looks like a massive PR disaster
2008-04-10 10:08 < TheWeasel> there were defamation lawsuits going on here over these things
2008-04-10 10:08 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> not to mention they are about to lose a lot of money
2008-04-10 10:09 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> even my old mum, who knows very little about computers but uses eBay is now refusing to use it
2008-04-10 10:09 < Brian_M> Is there anyone here who might want to make the call on a potentially controversial FLRC?
2008-04-10 10:09 < Leslie_S> wait, si this paypal thing only on AU ebay?
2008-04-10 10:09 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> yup
2008-04-10 10:09 < Leslie_S> so US ebay is still usable?
2008-04-10 10:09 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it looks like Australia is going to be the experiment for the rest of eBay
2008-04-10 10:09 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> Leslie_S: yup
2008-04-10 10:09 < Leslie_S> ta_bu_shi_da_yu too bad ebay isnt boycottable.
2008-04-10 10:09 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> if it fails in Australia, then U.S. will follow
2008-04-10 10:10 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> Leslie_S: that's the thing though
2008-04-10 10:10 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it IS boycottable
2008-04-10 10:10 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I was going to start using it soon, but I'm not going to anymore
2008-04-10 10:10 < Leslie_S> ta_bu_shi_da_yu theres other auction sites, but they dont have many users
2008-04-10 10:10 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I'm going to use the trading post
2008-04-10 10:10 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> why bother buying via eBay?
2008-04-10 10:10 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> and why bother selling?
2008-04-10 10:10 < _kmh_> got a format question. I'm trying to tie an image to a certain section of a text, but displayed on the right. The problem is that i don't have much text but several image, which results images overlapping the text section if i just use the image tags
2008-04-10 10:10 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I can't be bothered
2008-04-10 10:11 < _kmh_> is there an easy way to fix that (other than using tables)?
2008-04-10 10:11 < Leslie_S> i got yelled at in another channel earlier for talking. what a bunch of fucking idiots
2008-04-10 10:11 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> if you look at the forums, there a 900 comment thread talking about how it sucks
2008-04-10 10:11 < Leslie_S> i should just give up on human socialization. its so pointless and obnoxious. ;/
2008-04-10 10:11 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> anyway... sorry folks that this is offtopic
2008-04-10 10:12 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I just couldn't believe it and the only channels I really hang out on are #wikipedia and #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-04-10 10:12 < _kmh_> any idea ?
2008-04-10 10:12 < Werdna> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: #wikipedia has a topic
2008-04-10 10:12 < Werdna> ?
2008-04-10 10:12 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> :) it did at one point
2008-04-10 10:12 < _kmh_> werdna : /topic :)
2008-04-10 10:13 * TheWeasel has a posse
2008-04-10 10:14 < Aqwis> hurrr
2008-04-10 10:14 < TheWeasel> aah... don't use "recently" on Wikipedia!
2008-04-10 10:14 < Aqwis> the topic has an inclusionist bias =/
2008-04-10 10:14 < TheWeasel> It also has a rather insufficient degree of cowbell.
2008-04-10 10:16 < zocky> yep, "recently", "lately", and most uses of present perfect are teh suck
2008-04-10 10:17 < Leslie_S> ta_bu_shi_da_yu they repealed the guidelines that were dumb.
2008-04-10 10:17 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ah