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2008-04-10 01:44 < The359> we have notability requirements?
2008-04-10 01:44 < Mike_H> Clearly not if someone wrote an article on El DeBarge.
2008-04-10 01:44 < Mike_H> Or am I confusing notability with good taste.
2008-04-10 01:44 < The359> you're a very confused boy
2008-04-10 01:45 < Lycurgus> notability is entirely subjective.
2008-04-10 01:45 < Demi> http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/the_friends_of_friends_17 <- there's an el debarge cameo in that list
2008-04-10 01:45 < Mike_H> privatemusings: Was that song a hit there?
2008-04-10 01:45 < Mike_H> You were in the UK in 1985, right?
2008-04-10 01:45 < privatemusings> not sure about hit - but very famous...
2008-04-10 01:45 < privatemusings> now here's a hit..
2008-04-10 01:45 < privatemusings> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsaPMUY0DI
2008-04-10 01:45 < nokmar> rr, most likely
2008-04-10 01:45 < The359> my thoughts exactly
2008-04-10 01:45 < privatemusings> I thought this was 70s - but it's 82 apparently...
2008-04-10 01:46 < nokmar> I guess not.
2008-04-10 01:46 < Ryulong> [[Image:Burgbaconpizza.jpg]]
2008-04-10 01:46 < Warpath> Fennec O_O
2008-04-10 01:46 < The359> mmmm
2008-04-10 01:46 < Lycurgus> except for the placeses where it clearly isn't, i.e. some practically unknown thing, like your cat or your eighth grade teacher
2008-04-10 01:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Ryulong - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/favpics/Pineapple_upsidedown_cake
2008-04-10 01:47 < Mike_H> privatemusings: I prefer the title song
2008-04-10 01:47 < nokmar> somebody mention the hamdog
2008-04-10 01:47 < Ryulong> deadly hamdog
2008-04-10 01:47 < privatemusings> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7acuzKu7ag
2008-04-10 01:47 < privatemusings> another one from the movie.....
2008-04-10 01:48 < Mike_H> privatemusings: Ugh, I just found the Erica Gimpel version of the title song
2008-04-10 01:48 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pineapple_upsidedown_cake_blending.ogg
2008-04-10 01:48 < Mike_H> she sucks.
2008-04-10 01:48 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR VIDEOS!
2008-04-10 01:48 < Enterprise_Cat> NO
2008-04-10 01:48 < privatemusings> thinking of using the intro to that one for the 'notthe' talk things.....
2008-04-10 01:48 < Lycurgus> if truth is unimportant you can hardly expect "notability" be handled in a way that makes sense
2008-04-10 01:48 * Enterprise_Cat spins banphaser around on table
2008-04-10 01:48 < privatemusings> that or the muppet show theme....
2008-04-10 01:48 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pineapple_upsidedown_cake_7.jpg <--- Mmmmmmm delicious cake batter
2008-04-10 01:49 < privatemusings> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXvV2ALV0bg
2008-04-10 01:49 < The359> http://www.dieselsweeties.com/shirts/pacmath600.png
2008-04-10 01:49 < Lycurgus> *to be
2008-04-10 01:49 < Mike_H> privatemusings: Muppet Show!
2008-04-10 01:49 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-04-10 01:49 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat, is that the only thing you've ever cooked?
2008-04-10 01:50 * Mark_Ryan wishes he could cook
2008-04-10 01:50 < Mark_Ryan> I could be Gordon Ramsay, only better looking
2008-04-10 01:50 < Demi> that is how you learn to cook--fervent and repeated wishing.
2008-04-10 01:50 < Ceiling_Cat> No, I'm good at baking
2008-04-10 01:50 < Mike_H> Mark_Ryan: And not such a bitch.
2008-04-10 01:50 < Ceiling_Cat> And I'm trying to get better at cooking
2008-04-10 01:50 < Ceiling_Cat> I
2008-04-10 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm good with carbs and veggies, and trying to get better with chicken
2008-04-10 01:51 < Enterprise_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: cooks cats
2008-04-10 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> (I'm still not all that great handling meat)
2008-04-10 01:51 < Demi> i think you're already "good enough" with chicken
2008-04-10 01:51 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat, you'll make a great house husband one day ;)
2008-04-10 01:51 * Ceiling_Cat snickers
2008-04-10 01:51 < Mike_H> Mark_Ryan: What? And end his touring days with Dawn?
2008-04-10 01:51 < Mike_H> Who'll tie the yellow ribbon 'round the ole oak tree?
2008-04-10 01:52 < Demi> that's the test professional chefs apply if they want to tell if you really know your stuff--cook a chicken
2008-04-10 01:52 < Demi> now i don't eat chicken, so i have an excuse
2008-04-10 01:52 < Mark_Ryan> Mike_H, it's the sacrifice modern men have to make
2008-04-10 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> chicken is easy
2008-04-10 01:52 < Enterprise_Cat> http://selfdestruct.net/misc/geneve.jpg
2008-04-10 01:52 < Enterprise_Cat> woah
2008-04-10 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> defrost it, throw it in some italian dressing, let it marinade an hour, and pop it in the oven
2008-04-10 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> or bbq sauce
2008-04-10 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> or honey
2008-04-10 01:53 < Demi> controlling the heat and cooking rate correctly is very difficult. it hase to be completely cooked but converts from that almost immediately into dryness
2008-04-10 01:53 < nokmar> nice pic
2008-04-10 01:53 < I_am_Keegan> wow, I'm kind of proud of myself
2008-04-10 01:53 < I_am_Keegan> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Circuselephant.jpg
2008-04-10 01:53 < I_am_Keegan> that picture turned out fifty times better than I thought it would
2008-04-10 01:54 < The359> that's not saying much
2008-04-10 01:54 < The359> ;)
2008-04-10 01:54 < I_am_Keegan> twas taken with my cell phone ;)
2008-04-10 01:55 < Lycurgus> chicken recipe: nuke for eight minutes (if frozen) and eat as is, with worchester or steak sauces or with unjuns peppers und andere gemusse.
2008-04-10 01:55 < Demi> hm, there are a bunch of geese or something honking outsied
2008-04-10 01:55 < Demi> "outside"
2008-04-10 01:56 < The359> pick a language, Lycurgus
2008-04-10 01:56 < Lycurgus> Cantonese.
2008-04-10 01:56 < The359> stick with it
2008-04-10 01:56 < Ryulong> Cantonese isn't a language, it's a dialect
2008-04-10 01:56 < Demi> what language is "worchester" from?
2008-04-10 01:57 < Lycurgus> like an ignorant monoglot. No thanks. Every human being should be fluent in at least two natural languages.
2008-04-10 01:57 < I_am_Keegan> Demi: are you British?
2008-04-10 01:57 < Demi> i am not
2008-04-10 01:57 * Neskaya wonders where the hilight was.
2008-04-10 01:57 < The359> some are barely fluent in one, Lycurgus
2008-04-10 01:58 < I_am_Keegan> Then you should know that Worchester is American phonetic for "Worcestershire"
2008-04-10 01:58 < Lycurgus> and that makes them subhuman.
2008-04-10 01:58 < Mike_H> privatemusings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvO7UqXap7c
2008-04-10 01:58 < Demi> oh, go drown in catsup
2008-04-10 01:58 < Lycurgus> since language is the defining characteristic of homo sapiens.
2008-04-10 01:59 < ggreer> I thought technology was
2008-04-10 01:59 < Neskaya> I_am_Keegan: American is a brutal murdering of a language.
2008-04-10 02:00 < I_am_Keegan> :D
2008-04-10 02:00 < Demi> thinking, actually
2008-04-10 02:00 < Lycurgus> technology presupposes the linguistic facility as does the rest of human culture as such
2008-04-10 02:00 < I_am_Keegan> You's gots any uh tha' War-chester sawse?
2008-04-10 02:01 < Lycurgus> of cours other apes and some other animals use tools so they have something like technology and for that matter often something like language
2008-04-10 02:02 < ggreer> I guess a sharpened stick is technology, but you definitely don't see apes building anything with chemicals or moving parts
2008-04-10 02:02 < Demi> other animals may use language
2008-04-10 02:02 < Lycurgus> for that matter the language of some ceteans and other species may admit of something akin to fluency
2008-04-10 02:03 < Lycurgus> but no other species can study language as an object of thought and that's what's involved in learning multiple highly developed human languages
2008-04-10 02:03 < Demi> well, he used the term "defining characteristic", i don't think humans are less human if they are not building things with chemicals
2008-04-10 02:04 < ggreer> I guess retarded people aren't human
2008-04-10 02:04 < Lycurgus> building things with chemicals
2008-04-10 02:04 < ggreer> according to pretty much every definition we've put forward
2008-04-10 02:04 < Lycurgus> no they are not fully human.
2008-04-10 02:04 < The359> ...
2008-04-10 02:05 < ggreer> oh no you said something that most people would not find acceptable
2008-04-10 02:05 < SynergeticMag> ggreer: which would mean over half of americans are not human ;p
2008-04-10 02:05 < Lycurgus> yes I know.
2008-04-10 02:05 < ggreer> SynergeticMag: I didn't say below average, I said retarded
2008-04-10 02:05 < ggreer> so like... way below average
2008-04-10 02:05 < ggreer> like forrest gump
2008-04-10 02:05 < SynergeticMag> the other half just don't know it yet
2008-04-10 02:06 < SynergeticMag> to me, below average here, is retarded
2008-04-10 02:06 < SynergeticMag> since the bar is so low to begin with
2008-04-10 02:06 < Lycurgus> also (for the full expression of the principle) I think people with better developed minds are more human than those who are intellectually null and void
2008-04-10 02:06 < SynergeticMag> mind you, i have no idea what the discussion is about either
2008-04-10 02:06 * uberpenguin humbly posits that one possible defining aspect of humanity is the will and ability to change our environment to suit us
2008-04-10 02:06 < Lycurgus> whether MR or just stupid
2008-04-10 02:06 < The359> whot he hell are you to judge what's human enough?
2008-04-10 02:06 < The359> who the
2008-04-10 02:06 < SynergeticMag> i am the anti human
2008-04-10 02:07 < Lycurgus> people with MR deserve compassion because it's not their fault
2008-04-10 02:07 < uberpenguin> also, laffo @ intellectual elitism
2008-04-10 02:07 < Lycurgus> the stupid don't
2008-04-10 02:07 < nokmar> it's his philosophy
2008-04-10 02:07 < Lycurgus> after a point
2008-04-10 02:07 < The359> with all the languages of the world, 2 is quite weak, frankly
2008-04-10 02:07 < ggreer> Lycurgus: how about we just let "human" be defined biologically and "sapient" mean what we're really talking about
2008-04-10 02:07 < uberpenguin> roughly 800 in africa alone, methinks
2008-04-10 02:07 < The359> especially considering most civilized countries have education systems which teach a second language
2008-04-10 02:08 < The359> either required or most students opt to
2008-04-10 02:08 < ggreer> everyone only needs to know two languages: their native language and english
2008-04-10 02:08 * SynergeticMag wonders why learning another language would constitute obtaining knowledge
2008-04-10 02:08 < The359> but at least I'm not going to call people ignorant based on the number of languages they know
2008-04-10 02:09 < ggreer> there's a similar rule for programming. everyone needs to know their favorite language and C
2008-04-10 02:09 < SynergeticMag> ack, i hate c
2008-04-10 02:09 < Lycurgus> right, I'm not advocating something new or different from the common current scientific consensus, that's why our species is called homo sapiens. It's the sapiens that is the distinguishing basis upon which our species drove the other surviving members of homo to extinction.
2008-04-10 02:09 < uberpenguin> I propose another arbitrary metric for judging a person's ignorance; one that involves the extent of their learning in the subject of ways to prepare ham
2008-04-10 02:10 < The359> They didn't do it because of their number of languages...
2008-04-10 02:10 < ggreer> uberpenguin: you mean bacon
2008-04-10 02:10 < uberpenguin> hams, as every person worth note is well aware, are a pillar of civilization
2008-04-10 02:10 < ggreer> I know two ways to make bacon: put in in the pan for a short amount of time for chewy bacon or put it in the pan for a long amount of time for crunchy bacon
2008-04-10 02:10 < The359> it's chicken, uberpenguin
2008-04-10 02:10 < The359> clearly
2008-04-10 02:10 < SynergeticMag> Lycurgus: i thought we were called Homo sapiens sapiens :)
2008-04-10 02:10 < Ryulong> Lycurgus: we're actually H. s. sapiens
2008-04-10 02:10 < uberpenguin> The359: SIR I KNOW NOT OF YOUR BLASPHEMOUS FOUL
2008-04-10 02:11 < uberpenguin> fowl, even
2008-04-10 02:11 < The359> ignorance!
2008-04-10 02:11 < Lycurgus> SynergeticMag, Ryulong: exacty.
2008-04-10 02:11 < ggreer> http://www.joeydevilla.com/2007/11/14/guess-what-im-craving-this-morning/
2008-04-10 02:11 < Lycurgus> *exactly
2008-04-10 02:11 < Ryulong> I should know
2008-04-10 02:11 < SynergeticMag> yeah me too
2008-04-10 02:11 < Ryulong> I spent last semester learning all about the human lineage
2008-04-10 02:11 < Ryulong> including H. floriensis
2008-04-10 02:11 < SynergeticMag> no i should know because i am one
2008-04-10 02:11 < The359> look out
2008-04-10 02:11 < SynergeticMag> duh!
2008-04-10 02:11 < The359> expert!
2008-04-10 02:11 < Ryulong> and ...there was another one
2008-04-10 02:11 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat, are you still here?
2008-04-10 02:11 * SynergeticMag hides from experts
2008-04-10 02:12 < The359> this is Wikipedia
2008-04-10 02:12 < The359> we do not allow experts
2008-04-10 02:12 < SynergeticMag> no, this is IRC
2008-04-10 02:12 < Ryulong> oh
2008-04-10 02:12 < Ryulong> Orrorin
2008-04-10 02:12 < Lycurgus> i.e. the defining characteristic is reiterated at level it wasn't present in for example, Neanderthal.
2008-04-10 02:12 < uberpenguin> wikipedia IRC is worse... too common is the propensity to become an instant expert with wikipedia at one's disposal
2008-04-10 02:12 < SynergeticMag> here here
2008-04-10 02:13 < ggreer> uberpenguin: one day we'll have brain implants with wireless communication so we can all be really smart without having to actually learn stuff
2008-04-10 02:13 < uberpenguin> another arbitrary metric for judging ignorance: whether a person can correctly pronounce "neanderthal"
2008-04-10 02:13 < SynergeticMag> matrix alert1
2008-04-10 02:13 < The359> I hate that learning stuff stuff
2008-04-10 02:13 < SynergeticMag> yeah i wanna download my knowledge
2008-04-10 02:13 < ggreer> hell, if I'm not near a computer I always get frustrated by things I think of that I can't look up on wikipedia
2008-04-10 02:13 < uberpenguin> I'm making a list which ought to eventually comprise a comprehensive test of your aptitude
2008-04-10 02:13 < ggreer> neee ann der tal
2008-04-10 02:14 < ggreer> *tall
2008-04-10 02:14 < SynergeticMag> knee and the tall
2008-04-10 02:14 < uberpenguin> ggreer: that's not healthy
2008-04-10 02:14 < SynergeticMag> the persuit of knowledge is actually a healthy one
2008-04-10 02:14 < SynergeticMag> provided your not george bush
2008-04-10 02:15 < uberpenguin> and it's even worse when people quickly pipe up to ensure everyone knows that they do indeed pass one of my arbitrary criteria for intelligence
2008-04-10 02:15 < ggreer> uberpenguin: actually the main annoyance is that I can look up the stuff on my iphone, but not while driving or riding my motorcycle
2008-04-10 02:15 < uberpenguin> kudos
2008-04-10 02:15 < SynergeticMag> or some sapien that acts like g bush
2008-04-10 02:15 < uberpenguin> what do you ride?
2008-04-10 02:15 < ggreer> ninja 250
2008-04-10 02:15 < uberpenguin> heh, nice little bike
2008-04-10 02:15 < uberpenguin> I hate sports bikes personally, but if that's your bag...
2008-04-10 02:15 < ggreer> yeah, everyone says that :/
2008-04-10 02:15 * SynergeticMag prefers choppers
2008-04-10 02:16 < ggreer> I like it because it's the only 250cc bike you can safely take on the freeway
2008-04-10 02:16 < uberpenguin> oh, no condescention intended
2008-04-10 02:16 < uberpenguin> I'd make fun of you outright if you rode a supersport
2008-04-10 02:16 < ggreer> if I rode some sort of 600cc race replica or literbike I'd probably be a red streak on the pavement by now
2008-04-10 02:16 < uberpenguin> nah, honda makes a couple of 250cc bikes which are fine for the freeway
2008-04-10 02:17 * SynergeticMag goes to wikipedia for knowledge of 250cc and 600cc
2008-04-10 02:17 < ggreer> SynergeticMag: they're engine displacements
2008-04-10 02:17 < uberpenguin> SynergeticMag: engine displacement, cubic centimeters
2008-04-10 02:17 < uberpenguin> it's a rough number
2008-04-10 02:17 < SynergeticMag> nope, i don't trust you
2008-04-10 02:17 < SynergeticMag> that OR
2008-04-10 02:17 < Ryulong> THIS CHANNEL BORES ME
2008-04-10 02:17 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-04-10 02:17 < uberpenguin> SynergeticMag: slap yourself
2008-04-10 02:17 < ggreer> lower displacement -> less power -> slower acceleration/top speed
2008-04-10 02:17 < SynergeticMag> Ryulong: then leave it?
2008-04-10 02:17 < ggreer> for the most part
2008-04-10 02:17 < ggreer> obviously not all engines are created equal
2008-04-10 02:17 < SynergeticMag> uberpenguin: no thanks, i pay someone to do that
2008-04-10 02:18 < SynergeticMag> that's*
2008-04-10 02:18 < ggreer> some shitty 45 degree V-twin (I'm looking at you harley) could displace 1.3 liters and still only make like 60hp
2008-04-10 02:18 < uberpenguin> harleys are about making obscene amounts of noise, and that's about it
2008-04-10 02:18 * Enterprise_Cat if nuclear reactors were replaced by Star Trek-style matter/antimatter reactors
2008-04-10 02:19 * Enterprise_Cat wonders if...
2008-04-10 02:19 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.umgso.com/events.php
2008-04-10 02:19 < ggreer> I want to find a 250cc inline 4
2008-04-10 02:19 < Ceiling_Cat> SMASH BROS TOURNEY!
2008-04-10 02:19 < SynergeticMag> star trek can't fix the world!
2008-04-10 02:19 < ggreer> honda made one in the mid 90's
2008-04-10 02:19 < ggreer> it revved up to 18.5k rpm and put out over 50hp
2008-04-10 02:19 * Enterprise_Cat bans SynergeticMag for sacrilege
2008-04-10 02:19 < uberpenguin> what an odd engine geometry
2008-04-10 02:19 * SynergeticMag unbans himself for the sake of oatmeal
2008-04-10 02:20 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Synergetic_Cat
2008-04-10 02:20 < Enterprise_Cat> SynergeticMag: No, I'm wondering what disasterous consequences would result :P
2008-04-10 02:20 < ggreer> uberpenguin: they basically did it to get around some laws about motorcycle displacement
2008-04-10 02:20 < SynergeticMag> yo ceiling, any luck with the paper?
2008-04-10 02:20 < ggreer> it had to be < 250cc for some reason, so they built the most insane 250cc engine ever
2008-04-10 02:21 < SynergeticMag> or masters theisis, whatever it was
2008-04-10 02:21 < ggreer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CBR250
2008-04-10 02:21 < SynergeticMag> ceiling_cat
2008-04-10 02:21 < Enterprise_Cat> !ping Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-10 02:21 < ggreer> too bad it only had 5 gears
2008-04-10 02:21 < Enterprise_Cat> =-= Ceiling_Cat is now known as Ceiling_Crat
2008-04-10 02:21 < uberpenguin> CBR... must've been a foreign bike
2008-04-10 02:22 < ggreer> either they're widely spaced or it probably ran out of gears before it ran out of horsepower
2008-04-10 02:22 < ggreer> uberpenguin: honda sells the CBR600RR and CBR1000RR in the US
2008-04-10 02:22 < uberpenguin> I know, and that's all they sell
2008-04-10 02:22 < uberpenguin> the small displacement CBRs like the 125 have never been here
2008-04-10 02:22 < ggreer> oh, yeah :/
2008-04-10 02:22 < ggreer> too bad, they're cool bikes
2008-04-10 02:23 < ggreer> also the cool two-strokes by aprillia are hard to find in the US
2008-04-10 02:23 < uberpenguin> again, not a big fan of sportsbikes
2008-04-10 02:23 < SynergeticMag> werdna: danke
2008-04-10 02:23 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat, still not here?
2008-04-10 02:23 < uberpenguin> hot colored plastic doesn't do much for me
2008-04-10 02:23 < ggreer> uberpenguin: what do you ride?
2008-04-10 02:24 < SynergeticMag> Ceiling_Cat fell asleep listening to little richard
2008-04-10 02:24 < uberpenguin> nothing at the moment... which makes me sad
2008-04-10 02:24 < ggreer> aww
2008-04-10 02:24 < uberpenguin> I'll probably pick up an older nighthawk once I get some cash again
2008-04-10 02:24 < Enterprise_Cat> Quick! Let's take over Ceiling_Cat's nickname before he wakes up!
2008-04-10 02:24 < uberpenguin> or even better, a shadow if I can find one in my price range
2008-04-10 02:24 < SynergeticMag> how do i do that?
2008-04-10 02:25 < uberpenguin> I need to get a car first
2008-04-10 02:26 < uberpenguin> probably buy one in the next couple of weeks
2008-04-10 02:27 < Enterprise_Cat> oh snaps
2008-04-10 02:27 < Enterprise_Cat> Heh, whoops
2008-04-10 02:27 * Enterprise_Cat makes note to self: Do not kick a bot
2008-04-10 02:27 < Werdna> SynergeticMag: for?
2008-04-10 02:28 < SynergeticMag> it looks like you fixed werdnabot
2008-04-10 02:28 < SynergeticMag> it wasnt archiving at first
2008-04-10 02:29 < Werdna> yes, I fixed it.
2008-04-10 02:30 < SynergeticMag> yeah it started archiving only my login status
2008-04-10 02:30 < SynergeticMag> which was funny
2008-04-10 02:30 < Enterprise_Cat> Werdna: Make a statusbot
2008-04-10 02:30 < SynergeticMag> find a new error everyday i suppose
2008-04-10 02:30 < Werdna> somebody else is doing that
2008-04-10 02:30 < Werdna> I've been doing MediaWiki stuff.
2008-04-10 02:30 < SynergeticMag> Werdna: link?
2008-04-10 02:30 < Werdna> global login, blocking
2008-04-10 02:31 < Werdna> I dunno, it's on BRFA
2008-04-10 02:31 < SynergeticMag> ah
2008-04-10 02:32 < SynergeticMag> ger, what its name?
2008-04-10 02:32 * Werdna shrugs
2008-04-10 02:32 < ggreer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEHkSzKWO4&NR=1
2008-04-10 02:32 < Werdna> control-f
2008-04-10 02:32 < ggreer> what an idiot
2008-04-10 02:32 < ggreer> why the hell do people do that to their engines?
2008-04-10 02:33 < uberpenguin> well
2008-04-10 02:33 < uberpenguin> let's analyze the rider
2008-04-10 02:33 < uberpenguin> t-shirt? yup
2008-04-10 02:33 < uberpenguin> jeans? yup
2008-04-10 02:33 < uberpenguin> tennis shoes? yup
2008-04-10 02:33 < StayTuned> hello
2008-04-10 02:33 < uberpenguin> quid
2008-04-10 02:33 < uberpenguin> *squid
2008-04-10 02:34 < ggreer> I was riding last week-end and some guy dressed similarly passed me on his freaking gsxr-1000
2008-04-10 02:34 < SynergeticMag> uberpenguin: you just described everyone i know who doesn't ride bikes
2008-04-10 02:34 < ggreer> how the hell do those people stay alive?
2008-04-10 02:34 < StayTuned> I am here to post a link
2008-04-10 02:34 < SynergeticMag> ...
2008-04-10 02:35 < SynergeticMag> I am here to click a posted link
2008-04-10 02:35 < StayTuned> Promotional Album - Digital Noise Control - Sky Wheel
2008-04-10 02:35 < SynergeticMag> Please post link now
2008-04-10 02:35 < StayTuned> http://www.noisecontrolpublishing.com/skywheel/Sky%20Wheel.zip
2008-04-10 02:35 < The359> it's a motorcycle engine, they can handle hitting the rev limiter
2008-04-10 02:35 < StayTuned> 30 Megs
2008-04-10 02:35 < Enterprise_Cat> StayTuned: No advertising please
2008-04-10 02:35 < The359> erm
2008-04-10 02:35 < The359> yeah
2008-04-10 02:35 < The359> don't do that StayTuned
2008-04-10 02:35 < ggreer> The359: I thought motorcycle engines were higher strung than car engines
2008-04-10 02:35 < The359> they are
2008-04-10 02:35 < The359> but they're designed to handle it
2008-04-10 02:35 < The359> they want to rev
2008-04-10 02:35 < StayTuned> Thank you Enterprise_Cat The359
2008-04-10 02:36 < ggreer> heh, no argument there. every freeway onramp I find myself getting up to 13 grand
2008-04-10 02:36 < uberpenguin> ggreer: there's a saying... there's no such thing as an old bad rider
2008-04-10 02:37 < SynergeticMag> thats a bad saying
2008-04-10 02:37 < ggreer> uberpenguin: it would be so funny to see one of those guys on anything besides a sports bike
2008-04-10 02:37 < uberpenguin> old motorcycle riders aren't known for their excellence in aphorism
2008-04-10 02:37 < ggreer> like if one of them was stunting on a BMW tourer
2008-04-10 02:37 < uberpenguin> but it's true
2008-04-10 02:37 < StayTuned> Thank you also SynergeticMag
2008-04-10 02:38 < SynergeticMag> you're welcome!
2008-04-10 02:38 < ggreer> yeah, they're the reason insurance rates are insane for sports bikes
2008-04-10 02:38 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat, are you around?
2008-04-10 02:38 < Enterprise_Cat> Mark_Ryan: He's dead
2008-04-10 02:38 * The359 is confused
2008-04-10 02:38 < StayTuned> hello Mark_Ryan
2008-04-10 02:38 < The359> SynergeticMag, what are you doing?
2008-04-10 02:38 < uberpenguin> unfortunately my literary heroes of wit, Swift, Pope, and Johnson, have scant quotable material regarding motorcycle riding, so I'll have to settle with what I can get
2008-04-10 02:39 < SynergeticMag> me? i'm going through my contrib
2008-04-10 02:39 < The359> nevermind
2008-04-10 02:39 < SynergeticMag> and pulling out ...
2008-04-10 02:39 < SynergeticMag> what?
2008-04-10 02:39 < The359> nothing, I was just confused about your conversation with StayTuned
2008-04-10 02:39 * Mike_H NP: Mariah Carey - Honey (1997)
2008-04-10 02:39 < SynergeticMag> sarcasm and humor only
2008-04-10 02:39 < The359> got it now
2008-04-10 02:40 < StayTuned> SynergeticMag, - this is our first album since 1996 -
2008-04-10 02:40 < The359> thought you knew before what he was posting
2008-04-10 02:40 < The359> StayTuned, if you want to promote your album
2008-04-10 02:40 < The359> please go elsewhere
2008-04-10 02:40 < Mark_Ryan> hi StayTuned
2008-04-10 02:41 < StayTuned> hi Mark_Ryan - yes - I know the rules - I was here for you Mike42 Mike_H and a couple others actually
2008-04-10 02:41 < SynergeticMag> nope, i can't ban users since i've forgotten how to op myself ( i think thats what it was) so i'm of little use, i'm mainly a joker until the ban i suppose
2008-04-10 02:41 < uberpenguin> you need to build up a repertoire before you can get away with spamming up the place
2008-04-10 02:41 < Enterprise_Cat> There are >100 ops
2008-04-10 02:41 < Enterprise_Cat> Less then 30 probably actually use it or know how to use it :P
2008-04-10 02:41 < Mark_Ryan> more than 100? really?
2008-04-10 02:41 < Enterprise_Cat> Mark_Ryan: I think so
2008-04-10 02:42 < StayTuned> There is no cabal.
2008-04-10 02:42 < Mark_Ryan> nah, 70
2008-04-10 02:42 < Enterprise_Cat> Either in #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en
2008-04-10 02:42 < Mike_H> StayTuned was a former regular here
2008-04-10 02:42 < Enterprise_Cat> Mark_Ryan: Yeah, then in #wikipedia-en
2008-04-10 02:42 < Mike_H> I don't think he wants me to reveal his old name
2008-04-10 02:42 < SynergeticMag> i only mean i used to kick knicks out of the vandalproof channel
2008-04-10 02:42 < Mike_H> but he was a user in good enough standing before.
2008-04-10 02:42 < The359> ok
2008-04-10 02:42 < StayTuned> may I query Mike_H
2008-04-10 02:42 < uberpenguin> this is the here and now, Mike_H
2008-04-10 02:42 < The359> could have said something before posting a link ;)
2008-04-10 02:42 < uberpenguin> HERE. NOW. BAM.
2008-04-10 02:42 < Mark_Ryan> my old name was Susan
2008-04-10 02:42 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: Honey, there was a time you weren't even here, so I'd think you'd be the last one to do here and now stuff.
2008-04-10 02:42 < Enterprise_Cat> I have over 83 aliases that help me do my op work
2008-04-10 02:43 < Mark_Ryan> Enterprise_Cat: overkill?
2008-04-10 02:43 < Enterprise_Cat> Mark_Ryan: No, simplification
2008-04-10 02:43 < Enterprise_Cat> But yes, probably
2008-04-10 02:43 * SynergeticMag goes back to what he was doing
2008-04-10 02:43 < uberpenguin> Mike_H: sir, you ought to know that I'm the last person to take anything said in this place seriously
2008-04-10 02:43 * The359 is the last Highlander
2008-04-10 02:43 < uberpenguin> including whatever I myself may say
2008-04-10 02:43 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: true :(
2008-04-10 02:43 < Mike_H> how could I forget?
2008-04-10 02:43 < uberpenguin> HOW INDEED
2008-04-10 02:43 < Mike_H> :(((
2008-04-10 02:43 < Enterprise_Cat> Oh, so that's what /view-bans does *shudders*
2008-04-10 02:44 < Enterprise_Cat> Hmm
2008-04-10 02:44 < uberpenguin> except well-aimed comical insults
2008-04-10 02:44 < Enterprise_Cat> We have quite the +d list
2008-04-10 02:44 < uberpenguin> those are serious business
2008-04-10 02:44 * Mike_H NP: Smokey Robinson - Being With You (1981)
2008-04-10 02:44 < StayTuned> Mike_H - Thank you
2008-04-10 02:45 < brassratgirl> hello all
2008-04-10 02:45 < Enterprise_Cat> hello brassratgirl
2008-04-10 02:45 * uberpenguin NP: The Platters - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes (1958)
2008-04-10 02:45 < uberpenguin> bam
2008-04-10 02:45 < brassratgirl> I am fruitlessly looking for the list of foundation-level policies on meta
2008-04-10 02:45 < brassratgirl> am I imagining it?
2008-04-10 02:45 * Enterprise_Cat NW: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
2008-04-10 02:45 < The359> Overture, Enterprise_Cat?
2008-04-10 02:45 < Mark_Ryan> brassratgirl, maybe you should look on http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
2008-04-10 02:45 < Enterprise_Cat> The359: NW means Now Watching
2008-04-10 02:45 < uberpenguin> they... asked me how I knew... my true love was true!
2008-04-10 02:45 < The359> oh, wait, Now Watching...
2008-04-10 02:45 < The359> whatev
2008-04-10 02:46 < I_am_Keegan> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Policies
2008-04-10 02:46 < Enterprise_Cat> iTunes is handy for that sort of thing
2008-04-10 02:46 < Enterprise_Cat> The359: Besides, only Star Trek: The Motion Picutre has an oveture
2008-04-10 02:46 < brassratgirl> hmm, that's for the board especially
2008-04-10 02:46 < Enterprise_Cat> *overture
2008-04-10 02:46 < I_am_Keegan> or do you mean the foundation principles?
2008-04-10 02:46 < brassratgirl> I think there's a list somewhere of principles that apply to all projects
2008-04-10 02:46 < The359> are you sure?
2008-04-10 02:46 < brassratgirl> NPOV and the link
2008-04-10 02:46 < brassratgirl> like
2008-04-10 02:46 < The359> I have a Star Trek VI overture on my computer...
2008-04-10 02:46 < brassratgirl> but am not sure.
2008-04-10 02:47 < Enterprise_Cat> The359: Yup (asside from the opening credits music)
2008-04-10 02:47 < I_am_Keegan> ah, I know what you're referring to
2008-04-10 02:47 < The359> well this is the opening credit music
2008-04-10 02:47 < I_am_Keegan> give me a second
2008-04-10 02:47 < Enterprise_Cat> The359: Ahh
2008-04-10 02:47 < Enterprise_Cat> Yeah, I don't have 6, but I have it for all the others
2008-04-10 02:48 * Mike_H NP: Los Bravos - Black is Black (1966)
2008-04-10 02:48 < Enterprise_Cat> Mike_H: Dammit, I almost had a chatkill there! >:D
2008-04-10 02:49 < Enterprise_Cat> woah
2008-04-10 02:49 < Enterprise_Cat> wtf is filterkeys?
2008-04-10 02:50 < I_am_Keegan> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy#Policies_which_apply_to_all_Wikimedia_projects
2008-04-10 02:50 < Enterprise_Cat> ``
2008-04-10 02:50 < Enterprise_Cat> It worked!
2008-04-10 02:50 < brassratgirl> I_am_Keegan: awesome, thanks :)
2008-04-10 02:51 < I_am_Keegan> np
2008-04-10 02:51 * Mike_H NP: Box Tops - Cry Like a Baby (1968)
2008-04-10 02:53 < Enterprise_Cat> /echo
2008-04-10 02:53 < brassratgirl> of course, it's rather incomplete :) but oh well.
2008-04-10 02:53 * Enterprise_Cat notes that it got quiet all of a sudden
2008-04-10 02:53 < NoPegs> /moo.
2008-04-10 02:54 < Enterprise_Cat> [23:54:07] === moo Unknown command
2008-04-10 02:54 < nokmar> /test
2008-04-10 02:54 < NoPegs> 02:54:35
2008-04-10 02:54 < NoPegs> and suddenly all my mirc-fu comes back...
2008-04-10 02:55 < Enterprise_Cat> NoPegs: what command is that?
2008-04-10 02:55 < NoPegs> //say $time
2008-04-10 02:55 < NoPegs> needs //
2008-04-10 02:55 < Enterprise_Cat> ahh
2008-04-10 02:55 * The359 : Thursday April 10 2008 Current time is 2:55:42am -0500 GMT
2008-04-10 02:55 < nokmar> $time
2008-04-10 02:56 < Enterprise_Cat> [23:56:01] === /say Unknown command
2008-04-10 02:56 < Enterprise_Cat> :(
2008-04-10 02:56 < nokmar> diff clients
2008-04-10 02:56 < NoPegs> then do //msg #wikipedia time
2008-04-10 02:56 < NoPegs> err $time
2008-04-10 02:56 < nokmar> $time
2008-04-10 02:56 < Enterprise_Cat> [23:56:43] === /msg Unknown command
2008-04-10 02:56 < nokmar> my client doesn't have $time as a variable
2008-04-10 02:57 < Enterprise_Cat> Oh, right
2008-04-10 02:57 * Enterprise_Cat loads the ChatZilla plugin he created to do that
2008-04-10 02:57 < Enterprise_Cat> and...
2008-04-10 02:57 < Enterprise_Cat> hmm
2008-04-10 02:57 < Enterprise_Cat> [23:57:49] [ERROR] SyntaxError: missing ; before statement
2008-04-10 02:58 * Enterprise_Cat checks his script
2008-04-10 02:58 < NoPegs> a plugin to put the mIRC training wheels onto chatzilla? unpossible!!!1
2008-04-10 02:58 < Enterprise_Cat> NoPegs: No, it outputs the current time to the channel upon //time
2008-04-10 02:58 * NoPegs - WinXP - 4days 21hrs 36mins 59secs - Record: 6wks 6hrs 53mins 59secs
2008-04-10 02:58 < NoPegs> uptime++
2008-04-10 02:58 < Enterprise_Cat> hmm, javascript
2008-04-10 02:59 < Enterprise_Cat> NoPegs: But I bet your mIRC can't do this
2008-04-10 02:59 < The359> Windows XP has an uptime of 6hrs 31mins 50secs
2008-04-10 02:59 < Enterprise_Cat> əʞɪʅ-uʍopəpɪsdn ədʎʇ
2008-04-10 02:59 < NoPegs> unicode?
2008-04-10 02:59 < Enterprise_Cat> :d
2008-04-10 02:59 < Enterprise_Cat> * :D
2008-04-10 02:59 < NoPegs> I don't have unicode capable client here... :(
2008-04-10 03:00 < The359> hmmm
2008-04-10 03:00 < Enterprise_Cat> That's why mIRC fails
2008-04-10 03:00 < The359> I've lost my /stats command
2008-04-10 03:00 * NoPegs is an irc purist. :)
2008-04-10 03:01 * Enterprise_Cat sɪɥʇ pɐəɹ oʇ əʅqɐun əɹɐ əʅdoəd əɯos ʇɐɥʇ ʇɔɐɟ əɥʇ uɪ əpɪɹd səʞɐʇ
2008-04-10 03:01 * The359 has 22350.79 MB free on C:
2008-04-10 03:01 < The359> that one worked
2008-04-10 03:01 * Enterprise_Cat has 2730 MB free on Windows drive C
2008-04-10 03:02 * NoPegs never has any free space anyway... 6.7TB spinning currently across 3 machines. :)
2008-04-10 03:02 < Enterprise_Cat> heh
2008-04-10 03:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Enterprise_Cat has 2,646,295 MB of pornography on Windows drive D
2008-04-10 03:02 * NoPegs has too much pr0n...
2008-04-10 03:02 < Enterprise_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: D is a CD drive, not a HD on my computer
2008-04-10 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> hrm
2008-04-10 03:03 < Enterprise_Cat> Besides, C is the only Windows drive
2008-04-10 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> I wonder
2008-04-10 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> if you guys had to guess
2008-04-10 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> how much porn is there on the internet
2008-04-10 03:03 < Enterprise_Cat> Even if D was an HD, it would be a non-Windows drive
2008-04-10 03:03 * NoPegs remembers the sense of accomplishment of having filled more than 10 CD-R discs via 56k one summer... :)
2008-04-10 03:03 < Enterprise_Cat> heh
2008-04-10 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Anyone wanna hazard a guess?
2008-04-10 03:04 < Enterprise_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: 129PB
2008-04-10 03:04 < NoPegs> That was circa 1997... Nowadays I don't even keep any porn... Just grab new stuff when it is needed right off the intarwebs!
2008-04-10 03:04 < NoPegs> Are we counting Usenet?
2008-04-10 03:04 < Enterprise_Cat> NoPegs: Yes
2008-04-10 03:04 < Enterprise_Cat> I estimate over 129,000 TB, or 129 PB
2008-04-10 03:04 < NoPegs> Several yottabytes... :)
2008-04-10 03:05 < Enterprise_Cat> 1 femtabyte!
2008-04-10 03:05 * Werdna has, like, 300G free locally
2008-04-10 03:05 < Werdna> Enterprise_Cat: femtobyte
2008-04-10 03:05 < Enterprise_Cat> Werdna: Same diff
2008-04-10 03:05 < Ceiling_Cat> I think 1 petabyte is an absolute minimum
2008-04-10 03:05 < Enterprise_Cat> 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 TB
2008-04-10 03:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Enterprise_Cat - I doubt there is that much data on all the store media in the entire world
2008-04-10 03:06 < Ceiling_Cat> storage*
2008-04-10 03:06 < Enterprise_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: Since when has that stopped people
2008-04-10 03:07 * NoPegs visualizes a graph titled "percentage of internet traffic that is porn average, 1992-2008...
2008-04-10 03:07 < NoPegs> I think it is a flat graph somewhere in the 60s...
2008-04-10 03:07 < Enterprise_Cat> ah, well
2008-04-10 03:07 < uberpenguin> Enterprise_Cat: that number is more bytes than there probably exist particles in the known universe
2008-04-10 03:07 < Ceiling_Cat> in fact, that's such a huge number, I thin you could probably store the postiion, velocity, and quantum numbers of every atom in the university
2008-04-10 03:07 < Enterprise_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: Then we can beam people up :DD
2008-04-10 03:08 * Enterprise_Cat is now going to bed, good night!
2008-04-10 03:08 < Werdna> Ceiling_Cat: ... no, you could never ever store the position, velocity and quantum numbers of every atom in the university, ever.
2008-04-10 03:08 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: too bad you can't know all those things at once
2008-04-10 03:08 < Werdna> no matter how much storage you had.
2008-04-10 03:08 < Werdna> uberpenguin: that was what I was saying.
2008-04-10 03:09 < uberpenguin> a fundamentally different conception of quantum mechanics notwithstanding, that is
2008-04-10 03:09 < NoPegs> Heh, my first "PC" computer had 8mb of ram and and 815 meg of hdd...windows95 ran fine in it... The machine I just built in August has 8GB ram and 4TB hdd...
2008-04-10 03:09 < Lycurgus> my first was a heathkit
2008-04-10 03:09 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - sure we can
2008-04-10 03:09 < NoPegs> Yes, Yes, I know 8gb is overkill...
2008-04-10 03:09 < Ceiling_Cat> that's what hte heisenberg compensators are for
2008-04-10 03:09 < NoPegs> My first one was an Apple //c
2008-04-10 03:09 < Ceiling_Cat> See [[Heisenberg compensator]]
2008-04-10 03:09 < Lycurgus> and I felt I was getting in really late
2008-04-10 03:10 < NoPegs> Then I got a second-hand Coleco ADAM, and a Commodore c128... :)
2008-04-10 03:10 < Lycurgus> but you couldn't really do much with the first machines
2008-04-10 03:10 < NoPegs> Blinkenlights!!!!
2008-04-10 03:10 < Lycurgus> i.e. altair, imsai, and the like
2008-04-10 03:11 < NoPegs> Music... That was an early use...
2008-04-10 03:11 < uberpenguin> for some reason I rarely hear physicists talk about the heisenberg uncertainty principle
2008-04-10 03:11 < NoPegs> Altair + AM radio...
2008-04-10 03:11 < uberpenguin> it's just "uncertainty principle" in almost all cases
2008-04-10 03:11 < Lycurgus> that is unless you were good a device interfacing and electronics of the time
2008-04-10 03:11 < Lycurgus> *good at
2008-04-10 03:12 * NoPegs is just now getting into PGA/PLC/PIC �controllers now...
2008-04-10 03:12 < NoPegs> It is so much nicer than building discrete logic stacks for simple functions...
2008-04-10 03:22 < NoPegs> *crickets*
2008-04-10 03:26 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MalePregnancy_poster.jpg
2008-04-10 03:26 * Ceiling_Cat snickers
2008-04-10 03:26 < Ceiling_Cat> See also: [[Male pregnancy]]
2008-04-10 03:26 < Lubaf> Ah. MPREG.
2008-04-10 03:27 < Lubaf> That grand cliche of horrible slash fanfic.
2008-04-10 03:27 * Lubaf doesn't read any shipping fanfiction, but does read criticism of the form.
2008-04-10 03:28 * Lubaf quite enjoys honest crossovers and Original Flavor affairs, but not shipping.
2008-04-10 03:28 < Lubaf> Shipping is bad.
2008-04-10 03:29 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - according to http://www.brunching.com/images/geekchartbig.gif
2008-04-10 03:29 < Ceiling_Cat> The geekiest people on earth are those who write erotic furry star trek fan fiction
2008-04-10 03:31 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: You left out that they put a furry version of themselves in as the star of the story.
2008-04-10 03:31 < Ceiling_Cat> oops- you're right
2008-04-10 03:32 < Ceiling_Cat> AHA
2008-04-10 03:32 < Lubaf> Anyway. Shipping fanfic is always* terrible.
2008-04-10 03:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Ok, I have a question for you guys
2008-04-10 03:33 < Ceiling_Cat> in the US, we have pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters, worth 1, 5, 10, and 25 cents apiece
2008-04-10 03:33 < Lubaf> That asterisk is for the 1 in 100,000 shipping fanfic that's something else and manages not to suck.
2008-04-10 03:33 < Ral315_> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost]] finally updated.
2008-04-10 03:33 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: So?
2008-04-10 03:34 * The359 thinks Buffy fanfic is worse than Star Trek fanfic
2008-04-10 03:34 < Ceiling_Cat> let's assume that the distribution of change is even - that oyu have exactly 1% chance of having to make 1 cent chance, exactly 1% chance of having to make 2 cents change, etc
2008-04-10 03:34 * The359 has no clue what shipping fanfic is
2008-04-10 03:34 < Lubaf> The359: At the time the Geek Hierarchy was drawn up, Buffy fanfic wasn't much of a factor.
2008-04-10 03:34 < Ceiling_Cat> what is the optimal value of the 4 coins that minimizes the number of coins you have to give in change?
2008-04-10 03:34 < Lubaf> The359: You know what slash fanfic is?
2008-04-10 03:34 < The359> yes
2008-04-10 03:35 * Ceiling_Cat just calculated it
2008-04-10 03:35 < Lubaf> The359: Include heterosexual pairings and female slash, and you have shipping.
2008-04-10 03:35 < Ral315_> Without thinking, I'd guess 1, 3, 10, and 31 cents.
2008-04-10 03:35 < Ceiling_Cat> anyone?
2008-04-10 03:36 < The359> so threesomes?
2008-04-10 03:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Ral315 - that is surprisingly close
2008-04-10 03:36 < Lubaf> The359: Mainly pairs, but there are threesomes, sometimes.
2008-04-10 03:36 < Ceiling_Cat> anyone else wanna guess?
2008-04-10 03:37 < Lubaf> If a fic is more about getting two characters together than, you know, the original property, it's gonna suck rocks.
2008-04-10 03:37 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: 1, 5, 10, 25.
2008-04-10 03:37 < Lubaf> And it's a shipping fic, in addition.
2008-04-10 03:39 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - your guess averages 4.7 coins per transaction
2008-04-10 03:39 < Ceiling_Cat> and Ral's averages 4.13
2008-04-10 03:39 < Ral315_> Well, sqr(10) = 3.2, sqr(100) = 10, 10*sqr(10) = 32. So maybe the last coin is 32 cents?
2008-04-10 03:39 < Ceiling_Cat> the optimal solution averages 4.1 even
2008-04-10 03:39 < The359> freaky
2008-04-10 03:40 < The359> Emil Minty, the kid who played the "Feral Child" in The Road Warrior
2008-04-10 03:40 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: 1, 2, 3, 4?
2008-04-10 03:40 < The359> is married to Carrie Henn, the girl who played "Newt" in Aliens
2008-04-10 03:40 * Lubaf wonders if that's the pessimal example that can still give valid change.
2008-04-10 03:40 < Lubaf> No, wait, it'd be 1, 97, 98, 99.
2008-04-10 03:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - that averages 12.75 coins per transaction
2008-04-10 03:40 < Ceiling_Cat> (4,3,2,1 that is)
2008-04-10 03:41 < Lubaf> 1, 97... would mean... hmm....
2008-04-10 03:41 < Lycurgus> the whole thing is stupid
2008-04-10 03:41 < Ceiling_Cat> You guys give up?
2008-04-10 03:41 < Lycurgus> ill-defined and ill-conditioned
2008-04-10 03:41 < Lubaf> Somewhere around 48.5 coins per transaction.
2008-04-10 03:41 < Ceiling_Cat> Lycurgus - it is neither ill-defined nor ill-conditioned
2008-04-10 03:41 < Lycurgus> you have have 25, 25, 25, 25 because
2008-04-10 03:41 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: The sqrt guess sounds about right.
2008-04-10 03:42 < Lycurgus> that's the only way you can pay for 0.99
2008-04-10 03:42 < Lycurgus> $
2008-04-10 03:42 < Lubaf> Lycurgus: You're confusing the question.
2008-04-10 03:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Lycurgus - uh, no, you can give any number of coins you want
2008-04-10 03:42 < Lycurgus> exactly you haven't properly defined the problem conditions
2008-04-10 03:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Lycurgus - The goal is to pick 4 denominations of coins that minimize the number of coins per transaction
2008-04-10 03:43 < Ceiling_Cat> so under standard Americna money system, if you have to give 75 cents in change, you give 3 quarters
2008-04-10 03:43 < Ceiling_Cat> (3 coins)
2008-04-10 03:43 < Lubaf> The question is, given that 1 cent, 2 cents, 3 cents, etc., all have equal probability, what is the optimal distribution of coins?