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2008-04-09 16:18 * Cyrius is ruining his mind-clutch
2008-04-09 16:19 < gwern> Cyrius: what, like I've ever visited the PD resources page?
2008-04-09 16:19 < Cyrius> =D
2008-04-09 16:20 < HumbertHumbert> "There are 33,656 domains hosted on this IP address." <-- Um... no. 2 ones are "hosted" on it. It's my personal home server and I have full control over its IP address. This tool must be querying the DNS server(s) or something... that's retarded.
2008-04-09 16:20 < Cream> hey Cyrius
2008-04-09 16:21 < Working_Cat> damn, i thought Anu Garg was a chick
2008-04-09 16:23 < The359> heh
2008-04-09 16:23 < The359> Olympic Torch is now in San Francisco
2008-04-09 16:23 < The359> let's see what happens now
2008-04-09 16:23 < Cyrius> s/thought/hoped/
2008-04-09 16:23 < mavhc> it has sex with a transexual, and china pretends nothing happened
2008-04-09 16:23 < gwern> Working_Cat: ...what?
2008-04-09 16:24 * nsh would donate 10 dollars to a reward fund for whoever steals/extinguishes the olympic torch
2008-04-09 16:24 < nsh> i wonder if there's a site for that yet
2008-04-09 16:24 < IceKarma> you realize they have backup flames, right?
2008-04-09 16:24 < mavhc> they have backup torches
2008-04-09 16:24 < IceKarma> they in fact put it out a record five times when it was in Paris
2008-04-09 16:24 < nsh> oh, i thought the olypics would be cancelled...
2008-04-09 16:24 < mavhc> plus technology to transmit flame via radio
2008-04-09 16:24 < Working_Cat> gwern: Anu is a common indian girl name.
2008-04-09 16:24 * nsh smiles
2008-04-09 16:24 < Cream> MOAR CATS!
2008-04-09 16:24 < nsh> it's symbolic, newbs
2008-04-09 16:25 < mavhc> it's n00bs, n00b
2008-04-09 16:25 < gwern> Working_Cat: I did not know that
2008-04-09 16:25 < Cream> camping n00b
2008-04-09 16:25 < Working_Cat> nsh: according to what i read in news, it was extinguished more than once while going through paris.
2008-04-09 16:25 < IceKarma> when the people running the torch put it out, it sort of demonstrates the symbolism isn't that big a deal
2008-04-09 16:25 < Cyrius> it's newbie, newbie.
2008-04-09 16:25 < Cream> internet's a big tube
2008-04-09 16:25 < Enterprise_Cat> NOMOARKATZ
2008-04-09 16:25 < Enterprise_Cat> ELSEUGETKLINED
2008-04-09 16:25 < nsh> Working_Cat, were any of those the result of a policial statement?
2008-04-09 16:25 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Parisprotests-olympictorch.jpg
2008-04-09 16:26 < The359> They've done a lot more than just put it out
2008-04-09 16:26 < The359> they've outright tried to steal it from the torch carriers
2008-04-09 16:26 < Working_Cat> nsh: the article mainly dealt with the protests en route and people getting smartassy
2008-04-09 16:26 < mavhc> we have your flame now, there's no way to duplicate fire!
2008-04-09 16:26 < mavhc> fire is open source
2008-04-09 16:26 < Working_Cat> but it did not explicitely say if some protester put it out or what.
2008-04-09 16:26 < The359> Wired estimates the torch relay will emit a total of 5500 tons of carbon dioxide, mainly from the burning of the torch and air travel required.[83]
2008-04-09 16:26 < The359> wtf
2008-04-09 16:27 < IceKarma> mostly air travel
2008-04-09 16:27 < nsh> fair'nuf
2008-04-09 16:27 < The359> We can't light fire now because of the carbon footprint?
2008-04-09 16:27 < mavhc> and the 18 people running around it
2008-04-09 16:27 < mavhc> you can light non carbon fires
2008-04-09 16:27 < NotACow> The359: mostly the air travel.
2008-04-09 16:27 * Cyrius breaks out the magnesium
2008-04-09 16:27 < Working_Cat> The359: im sure the torch burning itself is negligible
2008-04-09 16:27 < The359> I know
2008-04-09 16:27 < Enterprise_Cat> ¨¨lies¨¨
2008-04-09 16:28 < Alkivar> http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/NEWS01/804090355/1002/NEWS
2008-04-09 16:28 < NotACow> i need to write up my idea for delivery robots.
2008-04-09 16:28 < Working_Cat> Enterprise_Cat: liar.
2008-04-09 16:28 < Alkivar> AHAHAHAHAHAHA
2008-04-09 16:28 < Alkivar> school lock down over nerf gun
2008-04-09 16:28 < nsh> The359, if that's wiki, i hope you change it
2008-04-09 16:28 < Cyrius> Alkivar: not funny. sad.
2008-04-09 16:28 < nsh> Alkivar, lawlf
2008-04-09 16:28 < Working_Cat> wassanerfgun?
2008-04-09 16:28 < Enterprise_Cat> Donùt ,qke fun of the people typing on azerty keyboqrds :P
2008-04-09 16:28 < The359> the French police seem to wear a lot more gear than I'd expect
2008-04-09 16:28 < Working_Cat> i prefer azure keyboards
2008-04-09 16:29 < NotACow> spong.
2008-04-09 16:29 < Working_Cat> The359: theyre french cops, not french maids.
2008-04-09 16:29 < The359> I know I've just never really seen the heavy duty arm braces
2008-04-09 16:29 * nsh will never understand bothering to get the spelling of "they're" right and then being too lazy to type the apostrophe
2008-04-09 16:30 < nsh> that just seems wilfully annoying
2008-04-09 16:30 < The359> or a type
2008-04-09 16:30 < The359> typo
2008-04-09 16:30 < The359> like that
2008-04-09 16:30 < Rinn> Maybe his keyboard doesn't have an apostrophe key.
2008-04-09 16:30 < Rinn> Or there was a spider on it and he didn't want to touch it.
2008-04-09 16:30 < Enterprise_Cat> тне яцssiди кеуьодяd is fци тоо
2008-04-09 16:30 < Cream> hey Rinn
2008-04-09 16:31 < Rinn> Hi.
2008-04-09 16:31 * White_Cat cuts Enterprise_Cat's head off
2008-04-09 16:31 * White_Cat gifts it to the Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-09 16:31 * Enterprise_Cat grows a new head
2008-04-09 16:32 < White_Cat> Enterprise_Cat I didnt gift your head to the Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-09 16:32 < White_Cat> I gifted the other end
2008-04-09 16:32 < Enterprise_Cat> :O
2008-04-09 16:32 < White_Cat> what use would a body'less head serve to worlds most notorious pervert?
2008-04-09 16:32 < Enterprise_Cat> Now there are two of me!
2008-04-09 16:33 < White_Cat> yes
2008-04-09 16:33 < White_Cat> and one of them is a Ceiling_Cat love slave
2008-04-09 16:33 < White_Cat> D:
2008-04-09 16:33 * Nuclear_Cat pokes White_Cat
2008-04-09 16:34 < The359> hah
2008-04-09 16:34 < The359> apparently the Olympic committee has decided to skip running through San Francisco altogether.
2008-04-09 16:34 < The359> they're going to instead carry the torch bearer on a police boat
2008-04-09 16:35 < Nuclear_Cat> huh
2008-04-09 16:35 * Enterprise_Cat thinks
2008-04-09 16:35 < Enterprise_Cat> Nuclear_Cat: Die
2008-04-09 16:37 < Cyrius> The359: I find it hilarious that they brought it to the one city in the US most likely to cause problems
2008-04-09 16:37 * White_Cat thinks the olympic torch tradition is very stupid
2008-04-09 16:37 < White_Cat> did you know hitler came up with the idea?
2008-04-09 16:38 < gwern> White_Cat: I saw that said on reddit. then someone immediately pointed out how torches predated Hitler
2008-04-09 16:38 < White_Cat> yes they do
2008-04-09 16:38 < White_Cat> but the thing about sending it from city to city
2008-04-09 16:39 < White_Cat> torches aused to travel very short distances prior
2008-04-09 16:39 < The359> yes, first used in 1936
2008-04-09 16:39 < White_Cat> hitlermania
2008-04-09 16:39 < The359> and I think the large Chinese population might have played a part in it, Cyrius
2008-04-09 16:39 < White_Cat> The359 nah
2008-04-09 16:39 < Cyrius> The359: don't spoil my fun
2008-04-09 16:39 < White_Cat> chinese dont burn well
2008-04-09 16:39 < The359> Tibetans do though
2008-04-09 16:39 < Enterprise_Cat> White_Cat: You being racist?
2008-04-09 16:39 < Monobi> :O
2008-04-09 16:39 < White_Cat> yes
2008-04-09 16:39 < White_Cat> Enterprise_Cat no
2008-04-09 16:40 < White_Cat> I am being sarcastic
2008-04-09 16:40 < The359> White cat power
2008-04-09 16:40 < White_Cat> gather 50 chinese women around you... You wont need to burn them for the heat xD
2008-04-09 16:41 < White_Cat> or in your case
2008-04-09 16:41 < White_Cat> 50 chinese men
2008-04-09 16:41 < White_Cat> :P
2008-04-09 16:42 < The359> who's case?
2008-04-09 16:44 < White_Cat> Enterprise_Cat's
2008-04-09 16:44 < White_Cat> The359 or do you prefer men over women too?
2008-04-09 16:44 < The359> I don't
2008-04-09 16:44 < White_Cat> maybe you like a 25 25 conbo
2008-04-09 16:44 < The359> that's why I asked who you were refering to
2008-04-09 16:44 < White_Cat> 50 women maybe hard to entertain
2008-04-09 16:44 < White_Cat> you'd need help
2008-04-09 16:47 < ggreer> it would ruin the symbolism more to use the olympic torch to commit arson on an orphanage or something
2008-04-09 16:49 < White_Cat> ggreer or
2008-04-09 16:49 < The359> a kid in my middle school was part of the 1996 relay
2008-04-09 16:49 < White_Cat> using it to light cannons
2008-04-09 16:49 < White_Cat> that kill people
2008-04-09 16:49 < The359> they let him keep the torch
2008-04-09 16:49 < White_Cat> The359 really?
2008-04-09 16:49 < White_Cat> did he chew it?
2008-04-09 16:49 < The359> but they removed the gas canister
2008-04-09 16:49 < ggreer> aww
2008-04-09 16:50 < White_Cat> The359 so it basicaly is an ordinry log
2008-04-09 16:50 < The359> it was also slightly scorched because he turned it up a bit too much at first
2008-04-09 16:50 < ggreer> I say we make olympic torches out of magnesium from now on. then nobody would be able to put them out
2008-04-09 16:50 < The359> it's basically a sculpture, White_Cat
2008-04-09 16:51 < White_Cat> I loved how they carried the torch in france
2008-04-09 16:51 < White_Cat> they carried it in a BUS
2008-04-09 16:52 < Cian> does the user/admin? "Twaz" use here at all?
2008-04-09 16:52 < Cyrius> never seen that name in here
2008-04-09 16:52 < ggreer> it would be interesting if some european countries boycotted the beijing games. this is basically china's big opportunity to show how far they've come in the past 50 years
2008-04-09 16:53 < Cian> hrm. whoever it is is removing an edit I'm making factually correcting (with source) the article [[Brian Cowen]] and calling it 'vandalism'
2008-04-09 16:53 < The359> France is the most likely, I'd say
2008-04-09 16:53 < Cian> yes, it contains a curse word. But unless WP:NOT has changed hugely recently I don't see how thats a problem.
2008-04-09 16:53 < Cian> (has to do with the individuals nickname)
2008-04-09 16:54 < Cian> as well as removing my comments to that effect from his talkpage and claiming them as 'vandalism' too, when they can be nothing of the sort
2008-04-09 16:55 < Cian> from his contribs, seems to be going on an anti-curse word campaign (prod'ing an established article due to "fuck" in its title when thats part of the name)
2008-04-09 16:55 < The359> apparently CNN can't figure out where the Olympic torch is
2008-04-09 16:55 < Working_Cat> Clueless News Network
2008-04-09 16:56 < The359> Twaz isn't an admin, Cian
2008-04-09 16:56 < Cian> thats why I said "admin?"
2008-04-09 16:56 < Cian> either way, I've reached three reverts on that article so I'll have to wait for another time to undo their bowlderization of it
2008-04-09 16:57 < Cian> I can source the nickname all the way to the governments broadcasting complaints comission saying its "widely known" what it stands for, as it happens
2008-04-09 16:57 < White_Cat> The359 I can
2008-04-09 16:57 < White_Cat> it is in Sector 001
2008-04-09 16:58 < The359> don't worry, Cian
2008-04-09 16:58 < The359> he's in the wrong
2008-04-09 16:58 < The359> I'm leaving him a message now
2008-04-09 16:58 * White_Cat massages you
2008-04-09 16:58 * Enterprise_Cat messages White_Cat
2008-04-09 16:58 < Cian> wonder will he remove that as 'vandalism' too ;)
2008-04-09 16:58 * White_Cat attacks Enterprise_Cat a bit with a large menos grande
2008-04-09 16:59 < Working_Cat> Enterprise_Cat: my shoulders pain too :P
2008-04-09 16:59 < Cian> somehow have a feeling that if I logged in it'd have gone under the radar, oh well
2008-04-09 16:59 * Enterprise_Cat attacks White_Cat with a nuclear device
2008-04-09 16:59 * White_Cat deflects
2008-04-09 16:59 < Cyrius> Cian: probably.
2008-04-09 16:59 * White_Cat puts Enterprise_Cat in a can
2008-04-09 16:59 * White_Cat shoots it to orbit
2008-04-09 16:59 < Enterprise_Cat> White_Cat: I already am in orbit :P
2008-04-09 16:59 * White_Cat shoots Enterprise_Cat down with an anti satelite missile
2008-04-09 17:00 < Cian> I've a 5 year old account with about 6-7000 edits IIRC but I just can't be arsed with the hassle of editing under 'a name' anymore
2008-04-09 17:00 * Enterprise_Cat raises shields so the missle bouces harmlessly off into orbit about the sun
2008-04-09 17:00 * Working_Cat is waiting for Ceiling_Cat to throw up so that these two would stop fighting.
2008-04-09 17:00 < Cian> The359 you Sceatoux?
2008-04-09 17:00 * Enterprise_Cat bombs Working_Cat
2008-04-09 17:00 < Cyrius> I can vomit, would that be good enough?
2008-04-09 17:01 * Working_Cat aint middle east
2008-04-09 17:01 * White_Cat shoots a Trident missile at Enterprise_Cat
2008-04-09 17:01 < Working_Cat> Cyrius: it has to be a _Cat
2008-04-09 17:01 * Enterprise_Cat deflects missle
2008-04-09 17:01 < The359> no, Cian
2008-04-09 17:01 * White_Cat shoots a dozen Trident missiles at Enterprise_Cat
2008-04-09 17:01 * Enterprise_Cat fires transphasic croniton torpedoes at White_Cat
2008-04-09 17:01 * Enterprise_Cat deflects missiles
2008-04-09 17:01 < Cian> The359 hah, whoever they are has just had a go at him for censoring the same word...
2008-04-09 17:01 * White_Cat puts the torpedo in a cardboard box and sends it to abhu dabhi
2008-04-09 17:01 < IceKarma> "Abu Dhabi", sorry
2008-04-09 17:02 < Enterprise_Cat> White_Cat: There are 73 more coming :P
2008-04-09 17:02 < White_Cat> Abu?
2008-04-09 17:02 * White_Cat prepares 74 cardboard boxes
2008-04-09 17:02 < The359> yes, I see Cian
2008-04-09 17:02 * Enterprise_Cat beams White_Cat into spae
2008-04-09 17:02 < Enterprise_Cat> *space
2008-04-09 17:02 * Cream farts
2008-04-09 17:03 < Cian> see your post now, thanks
2008-04-09 17:03 * White_Cat cannot be beamed
2008-04-09 17:03 * White_Cat causes subspace distortions
2008-04-09 17:03 * White_Cat distorts Enterprise_Cat a bit with a large trout
2008-04-09 17:04 * White_Cat traps Enterprise_Cat in Hueco Mundo...
2008-04-09 17:04 < Cian> if it was a case of being unable to find sources I'd not be quite so pissed off, its just a case that the nickname is a: not even specific to him and b: widely known to mean that. When theres government agencies saying its known to mean that, major newspapers,etc...
2008-04-09 17:04 * Working_Cat tries Supremacist_Cat and Elitist_Cat for war crimes. and uncredible lameness.
2008-04-09 17:04 * Enterprise_Cat drops off White_Cat on Quo'noS
2008-04-09 17:04 < Cyrius> Cian: well, it's not the greatest source in the world
2008-04-09 17:04 < Working_Cat> *incredible
2008-04-09 17:04 < Cyrius> it's a blog, not the newspaper
2008-04-09 17:04 < Cian> Cyrius those 'blogs' are printed in the paper last time I checked
2008-04-09 17:04 * White_Cat headbutts klingons for a living
2008-04-09 17:05 < Cyrius> oh, are they?
2008-04-09 17:05 < Cian> they're on there to get user feedback, thats all
2008-04-09 17:05 < Cyrius> I wouldn't know
2008-04-09 17:05 < Cian> and The Guardian is known for having a no censorship where relevant policy (as well as being typo-ridden)
2008-04-09 17:05 < Cian> its a left wing liberal newspaper, see
2008-04-09 17:05 < White_Cat> Cyrius being a galactic leader you know so little
2008-04-09 17:05 < Cyrius> I can't know everything!
2008-04-09 17:06 < White_Cat> chuck figured it all
2008-04-09 17:06 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Assaultrifle.jpg
2008-04-09 17:06 < The359> Well this is a little scary
2008-04-09 17:06 < Cian> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/04/eu_referendum_will_be_cowens_f.html makes for interesting reading
2008-04-09 17:06 < Cian> erm
2008-04-09 17:06 < Cian> wrong link
2008-04-09 17:06 < Cian> damn Windows
2008-04-09 17:06 < Cian> http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/page/0,5817,184832,00.html#swearwords
2008-04-09 17:06 < Cian> a newspaper with an MoS they publish
2008-04-09 17:07 < Cyrius> I forget whose software that is that produces those retarded URLs
2008-04-09 17:07 < geniice> can I play with madness?
2008-04-09 17:07 < Cian> notice that two subdomains on the same site have totally different URL schemes too!
2008-04-09 17:07 < Working_Cat> janice: sure you can
2008-04-09 17:08 < Cyrius> Cian: different software to run the blogs, I'd guess
2008-04-09 17:08 < Cian> The359 notice he removed your message too!
2008-04-09 17:08 < The359> yes, and he responded to my talk page
2008-04-09 17:09 < Working_Cat> oooo scrap-war!!
2008-04-09 17:09 < Working_Cat> geniice: i meant you
2008-04-09 17:09 < Cian> with a sarcastic message that appears to make no sense?
2008-04-09 17:12 < Cyrius> the fucker seems to have a problem with naughty words
2008-04-09 17:12 < Cian> indeed
2008-04-09 17:12 < Cian> he's even pulled a WONT YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! on us
2008-04-09 17:12 < Cian> mentions 'a kid could search for it'
2008-04-09 17:13 < Working_Cat> Cian: point him to [[Fuck]]
2008-04-09 17:13 < Working_Cat> or [[Fark]]
2008-04-09 17:13 < The359> he claimed on my talk page tha "Huggle" was accidentally reverting Cian's edits
2008-04-09 17:13 * Working_Cat huggles The359
2008-04-09 17:13 < White_Cat> Cian I dont think we think of the children
2008-04-09 17:13 < Cian> The359 I believe he assumed you were talking about the Who The Fuck Is Jackson Pollock page, not Biffo
2008-04-09 17:13 < White_Cat> we arent catholic priests
2008-04-09 17:14 < Working_Cat> White_Cat: >_<
2008-04-09 17:14 < Working_Cat> wait. no.
2008-04-09 17:14 < Working_Cat> White_Cat: lolz. so true.
2008-04-09 17:14 < The359> I don't know of a program that automatically nominates an article for deletion because of a curse word
2008-04-09 17:14 < Cian> theres one that automatically reverts and warns you, which it did to me...
2008-04-09 17:14 < The359> but not for a page title I would think
2008-04-09 17:15 < Cian> or on an established article either
2008-04-09 17:16 < Cian> he still thinks you're talking about that movie, The359
2008-04-09 17:16 < Cian> threatening arbitration... erm, I can't see that being accepted if he did
2008-04-09 17:17 < White_Cat> it may
2008-04-09 17:17 < White_Cat> and he may get his ass indefinately banned
2008-04-09 17:17 < White_Cat> of course arbcom is incompitent so we wont see that happening
2008-04-09 17:18 < Cian> indefinately banned, hrm... that reminds me, has Aidan Work ever resurfaced?
2008-04-09 17:18 < Cian> if anyone knows who I'm on about
2008-04-09 17:18 < Cian> Northern Ireland and coinage obsessed new zealander who'd, erm, never been to Northern Ireland.
2008-04-09 17:19 < SoapX> uh oh here comes a troll
2008-04-09 17:19 < I_RULE> keep your comments to yourself
2008-04-09 17:19 < I_RULE> thanks
2008-04-09 17:19 < I_RULE> "SoapX"
2008-04-09 17:19 < I_RULE> ROFL
2008-04-09 17:19 < Cyrius> please don't, it's boring and makes me do work
2008-04-09 17:20 < The359> ?
2008-04-09 17:20 < Cyrius> and I'm fucking lazy
2008-04-09 17:20 < I_RULE> I rule
2008-04-09 17:20 < Cyrius> yes yes
2008-04-09 17:20 < Cyrius> that's nice
2008-04-09 17:20 < I_RULE> Why is this network packed with m0m0s
2008-04-09 17:21 * The359 wonders how long this will last
2008-04-09 17:22 < I_RULE> The359
2008-04-09 17:22 < I_RULE> I would like to speak to you about a pressing matter
2008-04-09 17:22 < I_RULE> are you available to discuss important things
2008-04-09 17:23 < The359> nope
2008-04-09 17:24 < I_RULE> perhaps I could reach you at a better time
2008-04-09 17:30 < Working_Cat> ugh, im almost starting to not dislike bill gates
2008-04-09 17:30 < Cian> been forced to use something not-Windows for a while?
2008-04-09 17:30 < Cian> or working with a Linux zealot...
2008-04-09 17:31 < Working_Cat> lol Cian, no
2008-04-09 17:31 < Working_Cat> i've done both without wanting to hug/kill anyone on either side of the fence
2008-04-09 17:31 < Cian> I worked with a Gentoo head for 5 months and I now never want to see another penguin in my life
2008-04-09 17:32 < Cian> I get homicidal visiting the zoo
2008-04-09 17:32 < Working_Cat> i meant as a person. not as a bloated s/w promoting ruthless monopolist
2008-04-09 17:32 < Working_Cat> Cian: why
2008-04-09 17:33 < Cian> listening to 8 hours a day of diatribe about how it was better than Windows, better than MacOS, better than BeOS, better than sex, etc, etc
2008-04-09 17:33 < Cian> and then having to deal with him in a sulk when you asked him if he could play back DVDs without 5 hours compiling...
2008-04-09 17:36 < ggreer> gentoo is the best operating system ever if your favorite thing to do is stare at gcc working
2008-04-09 17:36 < IceKarma> ggreer++
2008-04-09 17:37 < Starnestommy> heh
2008-04-09 17:37 < Cian> his sole retort was 'well, you use BeOS'
2008-04-09 17:37 < Cian> something along the lines of 'my office suite came in a box not a 500mb tarball' could shut him up
2008-04-09 17:38 < Starnestommy> I've tried gentoo, and I gave up after about a week and then tried freebsd
2008-04-09 17:38 < ggreer> OS X is my favorite OS. it's like bsd but pretty
2008-04-09 17:39 < Starnestommy> Mach is probably the second-worst microkernel out there performance-wise
2008-04-09 17:39 < Starnestommy> only the kernel part of NT 6 is worse
2008-04-09 17:39 < Cian2> ...as my Windows laptop dies horribly just to disprove me eh
2008-04-09 17:40 < gwern> Cian: man, gentoo isn't even particularly user-friendly. greatest ever?
2008-04-09 17:40 < Cian> gwern I never said it was, the colleague did...
2008-04-09 17:41 < ggreer> Starnestommy: nobody uses OS X for servers. I'm talking about desktop systems
2008-04-09 17:41 < gwern> Cian: I was commiserating. COMMISERATING
2008-04-09 17:41 < Cian> oh right
2008-04-09 17:41 < Starnestommy> GNU/Hurd with Mach runs Xorg very slowly for me
2008-04-09 17:41 < HumbertHumbert> Can somebody who has mIRC or some other third-party (non-browser) IRC client installed try something for me? I want to see if when you follow the link found in the bottom of http://www.anontalk.com/chat you enter that channel on that network with a pre-defined nickname. Does this happen for you?
2008-04-09 17:41 < Cian> back on the OS I'm actually USED to now...
2008-04-09 17:41 < Working_Cat> Mach is the kernel of??
2008-04-09 17:42 < Working_Cat> OSX im guessing
2008-04-09 17:42 < Cian> its part of the XNU kernel OSX uses but other OSs use it too
2008-04-09 17:42 < Starnestommy> it's part of the XNU kernel in OSX and the Hurd in GNU/Hurd
2008-04-09 17:42 < gwern> Starnestommy: wow, gnu hurd can run X?
2008-04-09 17:42 < Cian> HORRENDOUSLY detailed articles on it on WP...
2008-04-09 17:42 < Starnestommy> I barely call it 'running'
2008-04-09 17:43 < Working_Cat> lol your msgs were so close :P
2008-04-09 17:43 < ggreer> Starnestommy: umm... hurd sucks
2008-04-09 17:44 < ggreer> use OS X
2008-04-09 17:44 < ggreer> it's not slow
2008-04-09 17:44 < ggreer> Working_Cat: OS X uses a hybrid kernel. it's basically mach with the bsd kernel bolted on
2008-04-09 17:44 < Cian> .... its not slow if you throw obscene amounts of Intel hardware at itt
2008-04-09 17:44 < Cian> I'm on a 1Ghz machine right now, anything this speed runs OSX about as well as a fat kid with asthma runs at all...
2008-04-09 17:44 < ggreer> Cian: eh, I've still got a 1.4Ghz ibook G4 and it runs 10.5 fine
2008-04-09 17:44 < Cian> define 'fine'...
2008-04-09 17:45 * gwern is a little bothered how many links to freebasing there are
2008-04-09 17:45 < Cian> I just junked a 1.2/768MB
2008-04-09 17:45 < Cian> running 10.4.10 like a dog
2008-04-09 17:45 < ggreer> umm... I can run azureus with a couple hundred torrents, safari with a ton of tabs, firefox, mail.app, and then a bunch of tabs in iterm doing random crap
2008-04-09 17:45 < ggreer> it does go slow if I compile anything though
2008-04-09 17:45 < Cian> my main laptop is a 1.8whatever Macbook now
2008-04-09 17:45 < ggreer> OS X is a memory hog though
2008-04-09 17:46 < Cian> I found PPC Mac users have a surreal definition of 'slow' over the years though
2008-04-09 17:46 < ggreer> I had to max the machine out to 1.5GB of RAM
2008-04-09 17:46 < Cyrius> OS X will run fine on slow machines if it has a lot of RAM
2008-04-09 17:46 < Cyrius> I speak from experience
2008-04-09 17:46 < Cian> I've 2GB in the Macbook and it still pinwheels when I'm in xcode
2008-04-09 17:47 < ggreer> Cian: my work machine is a 2.4Ghz core 2 duo with 2GB of RAM and I don't have any problems with it
2008-04-09 17:47 < ggreer> the limitation nowadays is hard drive read/write speeds
2008-04-09 17:47 < Cian> ...thats like comparing a hummer to my shaped-like-a-4x4-but-isn't car, though
2008-04-09 17:47 < ggreer> which is why compiling anything is slow
2008-04-09 17:48 < ggreer> Cian: hmm? I have a 2.4Ghz MBP similar to you. xcode will beachball if I do a find on all the source files in trunk at work
2008-04-09 17:49 < ggreer> but it has to read several hundred thousand lines of code off disk to do the search. it makes sense that it's going to be slow
2008-04-09 17:49 < Cian> I thought you were comparing it to the 1.4 you mentioned...
2008-04-09 17:50 < ggreer> no. I hate having to compile stuff on that thing. just building apr and httpd sucks 5% of the battery each time
2008-04-09 17:51 < Working_Cat> ggreer: bad boy
2008-04-09 17:51 < Working_Cat> REPENT!!
2008-04-09 17:51 < ggreer> hmm?
2008-04-09 17:51 < Working_Cat> </absurdity>
2008-04-09 17:51 < Cian> I used to maintain VideoLAN for BeOS on a 1.2Ghz with 512MB RAM - but it was an Intel Tualatin
2008-04-09 17:52 < Cian> significantly faster clock for clock than a similar PPC
2008-04-09 17:52 < ggreer> VLC has to have some of the shittiest code I've seen in a while
2008-04-09 17:52 < ggreer> seriously, ints used for bitfields? wtf were they thinking?
2008-04-09 17:52 < ggreer> just ignore anyone on a non-32 bit architecture why don't you
2008-04-09 17:53 < Cian> no comment, I only kept it running ;)
2008-04-09 17:53 < I_am_Keegan> awsome
2008-04-09 17:53 < ggreer> all devs on that project should drop what they're doing and devote the next 6 months to getting VLC to build with -werror
2008-04-09 17:53 < I_am_Keegan> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cholesterol&oldid=204543439
2008-04-09 17:53 < I_am_Keegan> that lasted a half hour
2008-04-09 17:54 < Cian> they're too busy rewriting the playlist so its even buggier than before
2008-04-09 17:54 < Cian> again
2008-04-09 17:55 < ggreer> also they should make a freaking multithreaded h264 decoder
2008-04-09 17:56 < ggreer> because right now it is impossible to play 1080p h264 in vlc, even with a 3Ghz quad core CPU
2008-04-09 17:56 < Cian> they use an external decoder for that
2008-04-09 17:56 < Cian> ffmpeg
2008-04-09 17:56 < Cian> which has that feature now IIRC
2008-04-09 17:56 < ggreer> oh right. well the ffmpeg guys need to get a move on
2008-04-09 17:56 < ggreer> multicore CPUs have been out for two years now
2008-04-09 17:56 < Cian> and yes, I can't decode off-the-air TV caps here on my desktop
2008-04-09 17:56 < geniice> Cian ffmpeg lacks a GUI which makes it ticky for newer computer users
2008-04-09 17:57 < Cian> 2.8Ghz dual, 4GB RAM (although BeOS is only adressing 2GB)
2008-04-09 17:57 < Cian> geniice I know, but thats not really relevant, as we're talking about VLC which uses that internally...
2008-04-09 17:57 < ggreer> beos doesn't support PAE?
2008-04-09 17:57 < Cian> but due to there not being a proper update for over a year its using an over a year old version
2008-04-09 17:57 < Cian> ggreer my kernel build date is, um, sometime in 2000 anyway
2008-04-09 17:57 < Cian> so, nope...
2008-04-09 17:57 < ggreer> jeez
2008-04-09 17:57 < Cian> May 26 2000
2008-04-09 17:58 < Cian> admittedly the desktops running a more modern verison but the core OS is identical
2008-04-09 17:58 < Working_Cat> I_am_Keegan: Some university kids working on an assignment i guess.
2008-04-09 17:58 < ggreer> I thought beos died a long time ago
2008-04-09 17:58 < Working_Cat> or a single imbecile kid.
2008-04-09 17:58 < ggreer> I mean does anyone even write drivers for it nowaday?
2008-04-09 17:58 < ggreer> s
2008-04-09 17:58 < Cian> ...it did, basically
2008-04-09 17:58 < Cian> www.haiku-os.org
2008-04-09 17:59 < Cian> well all my hardware works
2008-04-09 17:59 < Cian> pro audio interface, GeForce 6800 Ultra, both processors, etc
2008-04-09 18:00 < Cian> digital TV tuner even
2008-04-09 18:00 < ggreer> both processors? the OS had better have SMP support
2008-04-09 18:00 < Cian> also have Firefox 2.0.0.13 and VLC 0.8.6f, nothing out of date there, and considering half my PC use is media/web
2008-04-09 18:01 < Cian> haha, BeOS was the first x86 OS with proper SMP support
2008-04-09 18:01 < Cian> its *designed* for dual machines
2008-04-09 18:01 < Cian> was originally sold on dual PPC systems
2008-04-09 18:01 < ggreer> and solaris was the first OS with support for ZFS. that doesn't mean I'm going to use it
2008-04-09 18:02 < Cian> well, its a bit late to use it as the first, its not the mid 90s now
2008-04-09 18:03 < Cian> rather annoying that most ported apps are horribly threaded, seeing one core bieng hammered 100% and the other not doing much is... very annoying
2008-04-09 18:04 < ggreer> I'm surprised whoever owns the source to beos hasn't released it yet
2008-04-09 18:04 < Cian> having seen the source, its not possible
2008-04-09 18:04 < Cian> too much licenced in code
2008-04-09 18:04 < SoapX> youve seen the source?
2008-04-09 18:04 < SoapX> whooooa
2008-04-09 18:04 < Cian> yes
2008-04-09 18:04 < SoapX> who are you, dude?
2008-04-09 18:04 < Cian> the font rendered is heavily tied in to the graphis server and is licenced in
2008-04-09 18:05 < Cian> did contract work for one of its licensors...
2008-04-09 18:05 < SoapX> nice
2008-04-09 18:05 < Cian> the midi synth is licenced, theres drivers licenced in, the development kit for PowerPC is licenced in and the x86 one is the same with gcc/binutils instead
2008-04-09 18:05 < Cian> and so on
2008-04-09 18:06 < Cian> it'd be expensive to get a working OS with no external code in it
2008-04-09 18:07 < ggreer> sucks to be them. wasn't beos's model to try and get bought by apple?
2008-04-09 18:07 < Cian> yes, but they continued making a desktop OS for 5 years after that failed
2008-04-09 18:07 < Cian> then tried to make an OS for set top boxes, etc
2008-04-09 18:08 < Cian> Apple was going to buy them when it came down to money, and the prospect of getting an OS + JLG who they hated or an OS + Steve Jobs for much the same money...
2008-04-09 18:09 < gwern> yep. BeOS's CEO is a definite contender for stupidest tech CEO of the decade
2008-04-09 18:10 < gwern> hm. anyone here familiar with Freebase?
2008-04-09 18:10 < Cian> the band or the form of taking cocaine?
2008-04-09 18:11 < gwern> Cian: the Free database
2008-04-09 18:11 < Cian> ahem... oopsie
2008-04-09 18:11 < Cian> no
2008-04-09 18:11 * gwern finds Cian's reply suspicious
2008-04-09 18:12 < Cian> time to hide the white powder I guess...
2008-04-09 18:14 < I_RULE> LOL
2008-04-09 18:14 < I_RULE> ROFL
2008-04-09 18:14 < I_RULE> LMAO
2008-04-09 18:16 < Thehelpfulone2> I_RULE: :?
2008-04-09 18:16 < I_RULE> thehelpfulone2
2008-04-09 18:16 < I_RULE> what do u want
2008-04-09 18:17 < Thehelpfulone2> I_RULE: nothing, I am wondering why you said those random comments ;/
2008-04-09 18:17 < I_RULE> what makes you feel as though you have the right not only to drop my name but also to make inquiry into matters that are of no concern, direct or indirect, to your being?
2008-04-09 18:18 < Golbez> I_RULE- what makes you feel as though you have the right to make your random comments and then be a bitch to people who are confused by them?
2008-04-09 18:18 < I_RULE> Golbez
2008-04-09 18:18 < snowolf> well said, but I must add - they are of his concern, as they were dropped in a channel and we directed at its members, and THO is one
2008-04-09 18:18 < Golbez> that.
2008-04-09 18:19 < I_RULE> 1) I don't think the best way for you to make a point with any validity is by calling people a "bitch"
2008-04-09 18:19 < I_RULE> it makes you come across like a frustrated child
2008-04-09 18:19 < I_RULE> thats just a helpful hint next time you plan on interjecting in a conversation that is of no concern to you
2008-04-09 18:19 < Golbez> snowolf you're no fun
2008-04-09 18:19 < gwern> all yous niggahs my bitch, 'k?
2008-04-09 18:19 < Golbez> i mean, yeah
2008-04-09 18:19 < Golbez> he shoulda been quieted
2008-04-09 18:19 < Golbez> but he was mine!@#
2008-04-09 18:19 < Golbez> but thanks for the assist
2008-04-09 18:19 < Golbez> two points~
2008-04-09 18:21 < kingturtle> rehi
2008-04-09 18:21 < snowolf> Golbez: I was keeping an eye on him before you commented :P
2008-04-09 18:21 < Golbez> touche
2008-04-09 18:22 * Working_Cat sets Golbez -5 for being too slow.
2008-04-09 18:22 < Golbez> ::(
2008-04-09 18:22 < Working_Cat> Golbez: When you have to mute, mute. dont type.
2008-04-09 18:22 < Working_Cat> kingturtle: Strike
2008-04-09 18:22 < Golbez> it was actually a miscommunication
2008-04-09 18:22 < Golbez> i thought he had responded to me so i went with the taunt
2008-04-09 18:22 < gwern> bleh. sometimes I wish all the Free images on WP would just get mass-moved to commons
2008-04-09 18:22 < Working_Cat> heh
2008-04-09 18:23 * Golbez observes... he's still quieted, it seems. :>
2008-04-09 18:23 < Working_Cat> brb
2008-04-09 18:23 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-04-09 18:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Golbez!!!!!
2008-04-09 18:23 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: z0mg why are you back!
2008-04-09 18:23 * Ceiling_Cat glues whiskers, fur, and a tail on Golbez
2008-04-09 18:24 < Golbez> oh my
2008-04-09 18:24 * Not_the_NSA paid the assassin
2008-04-09 18:24 * Ceiling_Cat pets furry_Golbez
2008-04-09 18:24 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: did you almost get killed on your way back to the computer?
2008-04-09 18:26 * Working_Cat Return-II
2008-04-09 18:27 < Working_Cat> is it just me, or does a nick like "durova" sound more like a Decepticon alter-ego
2008-04-09 18:28 < Working_Cat> maybe it has to do with the prefix "Dur-" meaning Bad in my twisted tongue :P
2008-04-09 18:28 * Working_Cat notices the akward silence
2008-04-09 18:29 * Ceiling_Cat breaks the silence by shaving Working_Cat bald
2008-04-09 18:30 * Ceiling_Cat deposits him on user:Cream's talk page
2008-04-09 18:30 < Working_Cat> that must be one hell of a noisy shave
2008-04-09 18:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Working_Cat - it's not the shaving that's the loud part - it's the cat
2008-04-09 18:30 * Working_Cat screams and snarls
2008-04-09 18:31 * Ceiling_Cat likes it when they put up a fight
2008-04-09 18:33 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: I know where you live O_o
2008-04-09 18:33 * Working_Cat goes down Gnawing, biting breaking hacking burning!
2008-04-09 18:33 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: He lives in a state that's four miles wide. I'd be a little bored too.
2008-04-09 18:33 < Mike_H> er
2008-04-09 18:33 < Mike_H> Not_the_NSA
2008-04-09 18:33 < Working_Cat> +2 to whoever gets the reference
2008-04-09 18:34 < Not_the_NSA> Mike_H: Ceiling_Cat lives on Earth!
2008-04-09 18:34 < Not_the_NSA> zomgz0rz
2008-04-09 18:34 < Not_the_NSA> O_o
2008-04-09 18:34 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - that is true, but at least we're not responsible for putting George W. Bush into office :P
2008-04-09 18:34 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: neither are we O_O
2008-04-09 18:35 * Not_the_NSA blames Florida
2008-04-09 18:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Not_the_NSA - that's what I was saying (Mike_H is from Florida)
2008-04-09 18:35 < Alkivar> http://www.connpost.com/ci_8826142
2008-04-09 18:36 < Alkivar> once again kill the messenger is the name of the game
2008-04-09 18:36 < Messedrocker> eh?
2008-04-09 18:37 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: I get it :]
2008-04-09 18:37 < ggreer> don't banks get in trouble for not shredding that stuff?
2008-04-09 18:37 * Not_the_NSA slaps self
2008-04-09 18:37 * Not_the_NSA slaps wimt while he's at it
2008-04-09 18:38 < Alkivar> ggreer: thats what I thought... apparently not
2008-04-09 18:39 < ggreer> that guy doesn't sound very smart though
2008-04-09 18:39 < Alkivar> no he approached the bank arrogantly and that was stupid
2008-04-09 18:46 < Working_Cat> quanticle: you there?
2008-04-09 18:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Our Cell code is now up
2008-04-09 18:48 < Ceiling_Cat> anyone who has a playstation running linux is free to try itout
2008-04-09 18:48 < Ceiling_Cat> (a PS3, that is)
2008-04-09 18:48 < The359> try what out?
2008-04-09 18:49 < gwern> yeah, wut?
2008-04-09 18:49 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mpellegr/mstack/
2008-04-09 18:50 < The359> ah
2008-04-09 18:50 < The359> so like the PS3's built in Folding@Home
2008-04-09 18:50 < The359> or SETI@Home
2008-04-09 18:50 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: you're going to need to explain why median stacking of seismographic data is interesting...
2008-04-09 18:51 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - its how you can tell there's oil in them thar rocks
2008-04-09 18:51 < gwern> huh. why distributed?
2008-04-09 18:51 < Ceiling_Cat> It's not distributed
2008-04-09 18:51 * White_Cat disturbs Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-09 18:51 < Ceiling_Cat> it's a benchmark to simulate that kind of problem
2008-04-09 18:52 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat btw do you currently have a job?
2008-04-09 18:52 < White_Cat> still playing with millitary hardware?
2008-04-09 18:52 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - grad student and researcher at UD
2008-04-09 18:52 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, is there any reason to get a PS3?
2008-04-09 18:52 < Traveler4> water drain NOT sewer in any english speaking country?
2008-04-09 18:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - we tested it on a number of platforms to see how it did
2008-04-09 18:52 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, do you mean for gaming?
2008-04-09 18:52 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat pm
2008-04-09 18:52 < The359> but it only runs on Linux versions of the PS3?
2008-04-09 18:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Uh, you need linux in order to access the command line, don't you?
2008-04-09 18:53 * The359 shrug
2008-04-09 18:53 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: cygwin not commandline?
2008-04-09 18:53 < The359> I just meant the PS3 can run similar things on its own OS
2008-04-09 18:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - does Cygwin run on a ps3?
2008-04-09 18:53 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: I don't know.
2008-04-09 18:53 < Ceiling_Cat> doesn't cygwin require windows?
2008-04-09 18:54 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - then why are you asking me?!
2008-04-09 18:54 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: cygwin provides a commandline under windows, which is not linux
2008-04-09 18:54 < gwern> thus, you do not need linux for a commandline?
2008-04-09 18:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - I am talking about code which runs on a Cell processor
2008-04-09 18:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Hence, a PS3 or Cell blade
2008-04-09 18:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Cygwin is totally and utterly irrelavantr to the conversation
2008-04-09 18:55 < Ceiling_Cat> BRB
2008-04-09 18:56 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: I disagree. Marmalada is irrelevant to this conversation
2008-04-09 18:56 < gwern> Marmalada = irrelevant, but Cygwin != marmalada, thus by transivity it != irrelevant
2008-04-09 18:56 < toresbe> 00:52 < The359> but it only runs on Linux versions of the PS3?
2008-04-09 18:56 < toresbe> there is no "linux version"
2008-04-09 18:56 < toresbe> they all run Linux
2008-04-09 18:57 < toresbe> 00:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Uh, you need linux in order to access the command line, don't you?
2008-04-09 18:57 < toresbe> if by that you mean the Linux command line, then yes, you need Linux to access the Linux command line.
2008-04-09 18:58 < The359> erm, what do you mean they all run Linux?
2008-04-09 18:58 < toresbe> The359: they can all run Linux.
2008-04-09 18:58 < Working_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: doesnt it kinda suck to be a grad student at 32?
2008-04-09 18:58 < The359> yes, they all can
2008-04-09 18:58 * toresbe finds the preceding conversation so hopeless, there's not much he can do about it
2008-04-09 18:58 < The359> but they don't inherently
2008-04-09 18:58 < Working_Cat> unless you wanna be a prof that is
2008-04-09 18:58 < nokmar> just let the wannabe nerds duke it out
2008-04-09 18:58 * The359 never said only certain versions could run Linux
2008-04-09 18:58 < toresbe> I'm just going to walk away from this one
2008-04-09 18:59 < The359> I meant only PS3s running Linux could
2008-04-09 18:59 < gwern> Working_Cat: if the alternatives are being a code monkey or evil/venal bussiness person, grad student looks pretty good to me
2008-04-09 18:59 < toresbe> You certainly implied it by saying "linux versions of the PS3"
2008-04-09 18:59 < Working_Cat> gwern: sheesh. that was meant for Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-09 18:59 < The359> yes...PS3s running Linux
2008-04-09 18:59 < The359> not a hard concept to understand
2008-04-09 18:59 < Working_Cat> toresbe: i thought you were gonna walk away
2008-04-09 19:00 < toresbe> good point.
2008-04-09 19:00 < Working_Cat> -_-
2008-04-09 19:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Back
2008-04-09 19:12 < Messedrocker> hi empelted
2008-04-09 19:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Working_Cat - not 32 yet
2008-04-09 19:14 < Ceiling_Cat> in fact, I'm one of the youngest people in my group
2008-04-09 19:14 < Ceiling_Cat> (research group)
2008-04-09 19:14 * Ceiling_Cat just feels old
2008-04-09 19:15 * Not_the_NSA just feels Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-09 19:15 < Not_the_NSA> O_O
2008-04-09 19:15 * Not_the_NSA runs
2008-04-09 19:15 < Ceiling_Cat> The official said there was "strong evidence to suggest" that Abu Obaidah al-Masri, an Egyptian native suspected of overseeing the London transit bombings in 2005 and the failed transatlantic airliner plot a year later, died in December of hepatitis.
2008-04-09 19:15 < Ceiling_Cat> -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/09/AR2008040901793.html?hpid=moreheadlines
2008-04-09 19:17 < Ceiling_Cat> This channel has insuffecient pussy.
2008-04-09 19:17 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-04-09 19:18 * Not_the_NSA his Ceiling_Cat in the cat
2008-04-09 19:34 < Ceiling_Cat> [[William George Nicholas Manley]] <--impressive
2008-04-09 19:34 < Ceiling_Cat> he won the Victoria Cross and the Iron Cross
2008-04-09 19:34 < Ceiling_Cat> not too many people can say that
2008-04-09 19:40 < Messedrocker> HONK IF YOU'RE LEFT HANDED
2008-04-09 19:56 < gwern> wow, that's eery. so I spend an hour or so reading up on lifelogging, LifeBits, and editing WP stuff about them - and Slashdot psots an article about it
2008-04-09 19:57 < Crimedog> I made a "hate list" today
2008-04-09 19:58 < Messedrocker> i thought you said "hat list"
2008-04-09 19:58 < Messedrocker> and i thought of MISTER HAT
2008-04-09 19:58 < Crimedog> http://www.contextflexed.com/storywikipediaexposed.html
2008-04-09 20:00 < zocky> ok, without looking it up, what does the piece symbol represent?
2008-04-09 20:00 < zocky> peace symbol
2008-04-09 20:01 < Crimedog> The footprint of the American chicken?
2008-04-09 20:02 < zocky> apparently, it's semaphore for ND - nuclear disarmament
2008-04-09 20:02 < gwern> you know what astounds me? How people can come up with a hundred reasons why a lifebits project will be bad and not worth doing, and they can't come up with a single reason why it'd be good, when even a reporter doing it for a week or two can find good things about it
2008-04-09 20:03 < gwern> it's like the people who say curing old age would be the worst thing you could do; their arguments make you want to go up to them and begin slapping them until they realize how stupid they're being
2008-04-09 20:03 < zocky> (i'm told the london olympic logo represents lisa simpson giving london a blowjob, but I digress)
2008-04-09 20:05 < Crimedog> How can you mude privatly when theres a cat staring at you from the ceiling? :)
2008-04-09 20:05 < Crimedog> er muse
2008-04-09 20:05 < privatemusings> I can mude anywhere!
2008-04-09 20:05 < Ceiling_Bat> bat not cat
2008-04-09 20:06 < Crimedog> I dont know why I keep seeing "cat"