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2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> i know
2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> sucks
2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> lol
2008-04-08 19:33 < ShakespeareFan00> Antibuddha: LOL
2008-04-08 19:33 < Antibuddha> HAHAHA
2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> still
2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> i went on a longer train
2008-04-08 19:33 * ShakespeareFan00 ponders what the Wikimansion looks like ;)
2008-04-08 19:33 < Nihiltres> Antibuddha: I don't think his imagination would fit us all :p
2008-04-08 19:33 < Lucifer_Cat> i've been on a train for over 24 hours
2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> i went Toronto to Vancouver on a train
2008-04-08 19:33 < ShakespeareFan00> By the way on the subject of trains
2008-04-08 19:33 < ShakespeareFan00> I'd like to make an announcment
2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> YEs?
2008-04-08 19:33 < Cream> you're choochoo for me?
2008-04-08 19:34 < Antibuddha> maybe the next wikimania should be held at the pentagon, the real birthplace of wikimedia
2008-04-08 19:34 < ShakespeareFan00> OpenRailMap has started
2008-04-08 19:34 * Lucifer_Cat is going off the rails, got acrazy train.
2008-04-08 19:34 < ShakespeareFan00> Do a search for it over on OpenStreetMap.org
2008-04-08 19:34 < Not_the_NSA> WIKIMEDIA BAGHDAD! SPONSERED BY PRESIDENT BUSH!
2008-04-08 19:34 < Lucifer_Cat> *SPONSORED
2008-04-08 19:34 < Messedrocker> WIKIMANIA*
2008-04-08 19:34 < ShakespeareFan00> And Haliburton ;)
2008-04-08 19:34 < Not_the_NSA> Lucifer_Cat: wooks O_O
2008-04-08 19:34 < Cream> Toronto to Vancouver took me 4 days :)
2008-04-08 19:35 < Not_the_NSA> ShakespeareFan00: woops :D
2008-04-08 19:35 < Demi> i took a train to texas
2008-04-08 19:35 < Not_the_NSA> Lucifer_Cat: woops**
2008-04-08 19:35 < ggreer> Cream: why not take a plane?
2008-04-08 19:35 < Lucifer_Cat> Not_the_NSA: lol
2008-04-08 19:35 < Messedrocker> hello jasoncalacanis__
2008-04-08 19:35 < ggreer> I mean planes suck but they're better than trains
2008-04-08 19:35 < ShakespeareFan00> ggreer: Trains are so much more Carbon frienfly :)
2008-04-08 19:35 < Antibuddha> what has wikipedia done to stop the war in iraq? by pretending to be encyclopedic in knowledge people go to the article of Iraq War and simply get bedazzled and confuddled and think if the war on iraq deserved to be ended it'd be written as a disclaimer at the top of the Iraq War article
2008-04-08 19:36 < Antibuddha> wikipedia is therefore a genuine shill for the new world order
2008-04-08 19:36 < Antibuddha> um i mean
2008-04-08 19:36 < Messedrocker> I am still waiting for the US to adopt TGV trains
2008-04-08 19:36 < ggreer> ShakespeareFan00: trains run on diesel
2008-04-08 19:36 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: {{sofixit}}
2008-04-08 19:36 < Messedrocker> I know
2008-04-08 19:36 < Pilotguy> ggreer: Accept for the Acela line
2008-04-08 19:36 < Messedrocker> I will create the first company to operate TGV trains
2008-04-08 19:36 < ShakespeareFan00> Yes but the emissions are lower comapred to a plane
2008-04-08 19:36 < ShakespeareFan00> and trains carry more people than a plane
2008-04-08 19:36 < Cream> ggreer, i took the plane way home
2008-04-08 19:36 < Messedrocker> ShakespeareFan00, but trains run longer
2008-04-08 19:37 < Demi> ShakespeareFan00 - not in the u.s. ;)
2008-04-08 19:37 < Messedrocker> What took me 13 hours by train could have been 2 hours by plane
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> yep
2008-04-08 19:37 < Antibuddha> in the future helicopters can go mach 3
2008-04-08 19:37 < Pilotguy> Messedrocker: That's because Amtrak sucks
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> hey
2008-04-08 19:37 < ShakespeareFan00> Demi: When the oil bubble bursts.. ;)
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> true
2008-04-08 19:37 < Messedrocker> (well then again, three hours of that is customs)
2008-04-08 19:37 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: snort.
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> amtrak sucks towards student
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> students
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> 15% rebate
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> psh
2008-04-08 19:37 < Cream> Via Rail offered me 35%
2008-04-08 19:37 < Pilotguy> Cream: Amtrak sucks towards everyone
2008-04-08 19:37 < Messedrocker> Pilotguy, I agree. Amtrak is a grown-ass government-owned corporation. It should use its friends in high places to get its fucking way
2008-04-08 19:37 < ShakespeareFan00> Just be glad you get a rebate at all...
2008-04-08 19:37 < Demi> i took a train to texas because flying is unpleasant and riding the train is pleasant. it's a slam dunk.
2008-04-08 19:37 < Antibuddha> it'll be just like half life when you got helicopters going insane and flying across the screen
2008-04-08 19:38 < Cream> Demi, i slept aboard the train :)
2008-04-08 19:38 < NotASpy> Bring Back British Rail
2008-04-08 19:38 < Pilotguy> Messedrocker: It's more because they don't own any of the lines they operate on
2008-04-08 19:38 < ShakespeareFan00> Seriously do you really want British Rail Back?
2008-04-08 19:38 < Cream> i reserved a room with a double bed with private toilet / shower
2008-04-08 19:38 < Pilotguy> Messedrocker: So Norfolk Southern and CSX are free to control their trains
2008-04-08 19:38 < ggreer> Demi: I drove my car to washington and back because it's more pleasant than taking a plane
2008-04-08 19:38 < Pilotguy> Messedrocker: That's why they never run on time
2008-04-08 19:38 < ggreer> and passenger trains are a joke in the US
2008-04-08 19:38 < Demi> you keep talking like you ride the train a lot
2008-04-08 19:38 < Cream> ggreer, would you sleep in a train?
2008-04-08 19:39 < NotASpy> ShakespeareFan00: yeah. It's costing the taxpayer something like 40% now to run the railways than it did when BR was in charge (all adjusted for inflation).
2008-04-08 19:39 < Messedrocker> I would, and I believe I have
2008-04-08 19:39 < Pilotguy> Cream: How was it
2008-04-08 19:39 < Pilotguy> ?
2008-04-08 19:39 < NotASpy> * 40% more
2008-04-08 19:39 < Messedrocker> I've also played Super Metroid on the train. Very fond memories right there.
2008-04-08 19:39 < ggreer> Cream: depends on the train. trains in europe are much nicer
2008-04-08 19:39 < Demi> i find that i do not want to waste personal space on a train with a toilet or shower, nor do i want a toilet next to me
2008-04-08 19:39 < Cream> quite comfy i tell you
2008-04-08 19:39 < Cream> glad i was on first class
2008-04-08 19:39 < Antibuddha> i threw up on a train
2008-04-08 19:39 < ggreer> since they have freaking beds for the overnight trips
2008-04-08 19:39 < Pilotguy> NotASpy: Train travel in the US is a joke compared to Eurpoe
2008-04-08 19:39 < Pilotguy> Europe
2008-04-08 19:40 < Cream> the people in the comfort class were fucked
2008-04-08 19:40 < Antibuddha> it was a train ride after taking a tour about the indians living in the area and i was thinking about white people killing all the indians so they could have tours about them and trains that go bumpity bump and i threw up
2008-04-08 19:40 < Pilotguy> Cream: On Amtrak?
2008-04-08 19:40 < ShakespeareFan00> NotASpy, and I also read that given BR's Business plan in 1991 it would have overall broken even by 1998
2008-04-08 19:40 < Demi> the geography of the u.s. is not the same as europe
2008-04-08 19:40 < Cream> Pilotguy, Via Rail
2008-04-08 19:40 < Cream> toronto to Vancouver
2008-04-08 19:40 < Cream> 4 days
2008-04-08 19:40 < Pilotguy> Cream: Ah
2008-04-08 19:40 < ShakespeareFan00> but oh no, we can't have the trade unions holding the Government to ransom
2008-04-08 19:40 < Cream> 2 years ago :)
2008-04-08 19:40 < ggreer> ShakespeareFan00: screw unions. unions are only for unskilled labor
2008-04-08 19:40 < Cream> comfort class had to pay for everything, food
2008-04-08 19:41 < Antibuddha> america should be banned from the olympics for genociding natives
2008-04-08 19:41 < NotASpy> Pilotguy: it's decent here in Britain, but it could be so much better if one company ran everything. Feeder trains wouldn't be missing InterCity trains by 2 minutes and so on.
2008-04-08 19:41 < ShakespeareFan00> ggreer: You have clearly never been in a labour dispute ;)
2008-04-08 19:41 < Cream> while we in first class, food is complimentary :)
2008-04-08 19:41 < Cream> ShakespeareFan00, i agree
2008-04-08 19:41 < Pilotguy> NotASpy: True
2008-04-08 19:41 < Cream> espically with student militanism
2008-04-08 19:41 < Pilotguy> Cream: Yes
2008-04-08 19:41 < Pilotguy> Cream: If you don't pay up you're going to suffer
2008-04-08 19:41 < Messedrocker> Antibuddha, the last time we genocided natives was like a hundred years ago
2008-04-08 19:41 < Antibuddha> Cream: students should be shot with depleted uranium
2008-04-08 19:41 < ggreer> ShakespeareFan00: right, because people who can write decent code are in high demand
2008-04-08 19:41 < Cream> Antibuddha...
2008-04-08 19:41 < Cream> I'm a student
2008-04-08 19:41 < Antibuddha> Messedrocker: did americans ever ask for forgiveness?
2008-04-08 19:41 < Cream> so screw you
2008-04-08 19:42 < Antibuddha> Cream: what are you learning
2008-04-08 19:42 < Antibuddha> so that you can make a buck
2008-04-08 19:42 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: Keep comments like that to yourself please
2008-04-08 19:42 < Cream> Nutrition :)
2008-04-08 19:42 < Antibuddha> Cream: you gonna sell nutrition eh
2008-04-08 19:42 < Messedrocker> Antibuddha, last opportunity. Quit trying to make a riot.
2008-04-08 19:42 < NotASpy> ShakespeareFan00: the trade unions are still holding the Government to ransom. There's little in the way of trains on a Sunday around Birmingham and the Midlands, because they're so hell bent on preventing Sunday working.
2008-04-08 19:42 < Cream> again, up yours Antibuddha
2008-04-08 19:42 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: Or we'll suddenly remember how the quiet feature works
2008-04-08 19:42 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream: You realise that being a Nutrutiunists in the US menas lying to people upto and including politicans?
2008-04-08 19:42 < Antibuddha> pilotguy, what is truth?
2008-04-08 19:43 < ShakespeareFan00> *means
2008-04-08 19:43 < Cream> I know rofl
2008-04-08 19:43 < Cream> nah, i'm going to help people live healthier or even force fat kids to eat healthy
2008-04-08 19:43 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: What is respect?
2008-04-08 19:43 < Antibuddha> Pilotguy: wrong answer
2008-04-08 19:43 < ShakespeareFan00> "No, No Ive not been paid to say McDonalds Salads are health food!" ;)
2008-04-08 19:43 < Antibuddha> the answer is to crucify jesus christ
2008-04-08 19:43 < Pilotguy> Cream: Good luck with that :)
2008-04-08 19:43 < Pilotguy> Cream: Americans are ignorant of what we eat
2008-04-08 19:43 < ShakespeareFan00> Cream ROFL ROFL
2008-04-08 19:43 < ggreer> Cream: maybe you should lock them up and starve them
2008-04-08 19:43 < Pilotguy> Cream: I don't know about you canadians
2008-04-08 19:44 < ShakespeareFan00> WAY to make yourself unemployable
2008-04-08 19:44 < Pilotguy> Antibuddha: That's enough
2008-04-08 19:44 < Messedrocker> hmm
2008-04-08 19:44 < Messedrocker> rather
2008-04-08 19:44 < ShakespeareFan00> NotASpy: BUT Railways NEED Sunday Working...
2008-04-08 19:44 < Pilotguy> Messedrocker: leave it
2008-04-08 19:44 < Pilotguy> or not
2008-04-08 19:44 < Messedrocker> i opted for silence instead
2008-04-08 19:44 < Cream> well, the only native american problems we get in Quebec and in Canada is the mohawks
2008-04-08 19:44 < Pilotguy> Messedrocker: feh.
2008-04-08 19:45 < Pilotguy> Cream: We're surrounded by Lumbees here
2008-04-08 19:45 < Lucifer_Cat> who just got kicked?
2008-04-08 19:45 < Cream> I'm just doing a critic, not poking fun at them
2008-04-08 19:45 < NotASpy> ShakespeareFan00: apparently the unions, who want a sustainable railway dispute the need for /their/ staff to work on a Sunday.
2008-04-08 19:45 < Cream> like a few weeks ago
2008-04-08 19:45 < ShakespeareFan00> Hmm, And do they Islamic memebers get Friday as well?
2008-04-08 19:45 < Pilotguy> NotASpy: heh
2008-04-08 19:45 < ShakespeareFan00> *thier
2008-04-08 19:46 < Cream> police in Kanestake and Khanawake and Awkesane with cooperation with RCMP and Sureté Du Québec (Québec Police) did a massive drug bust
2008-04-08 19:46 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.allweirdthings.com/fire-light-symphony/
2008-04-08 19:46 < Cream> arrested a lot of people, seized drugs and weapons including a AK-47
2008-04-08 19:47 < Cream> the network was used to smuggle drugs into USa
2008-04-08 19:48 < Cream> trough Awkesane and its lack of border suveillance
2008-04-08 19:51 < ShakespeareFan00> Canada has Border controls ? ;)
2008-04-08 19:51 < Cream> yup :)
2008-04-08 19:51 < Cream> ShakespeareFan00, let me show you a major one
2008-04-08 19:52 < Messedrocker> ShakespeareFan00, they need to keep the dirty poor people from south of the border from coming up to take their jobs
2008-04-08 19:52 < ShakespeareFan00> ROFL L
2008-04-08 19:52 < ShakespeareFan00> rofl
2008-04-08 19:52 < Cream> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.008324,-73.452573&spn=0.013745,0.043259&t=h&z=15
2008-04-08 19:52 * ShakespeareFan00 Genrates SIGHYSTERICAL
2008-04-08 19:53 * ShakespeareFan00 coredumps
2008-04-08 19:53 < The359> watch where you're dumping
2008-04-08 19:56 < uberpenguin> ick VW
2008-04-08 19:56 < uberpenguin> hallo friends
2008-04-08 19:56 < Cream> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.000344,-73.471799&spn=0.006873,0.021629&t=h&z=16
2008-04-08 19:56 < Cream> this is a former ATLAS 5 missile base
2008-04-08 19:56 < Cream> the closest to Canada
2008-04-08 19:57 < Lucifer_Cat> heh, thats pretty darn close
2008-04-08 20:00 < Lucifer_Cat> Hey Ike, whats canada's fave food?
2008-04-08 20:02 < Lucifer_Cat> meh, no one got the reference...
2008-04-08 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> Cream, i was talking to you :P
2008-04-08 20:03 < Cream> Lucifer_Cat, dunno
2008-04-08 20:03 < Cream> but one staple food of Québec is poutine :D
2008-04-08 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> whats that
2008-04-08 20:04 < Lucifer_Cat> also, Ike = kyle's adopted kid bro in southpark
2008-04-08 20:04 < Cream> Lucifer_Cat
2008-04-08 20:04 < Cream> [[Poutine]]
2008-04-08 20:05 < ShakespeareFan00> HI any bot writers in?
2008-04-08 20:05 < Lucifer_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: what kind of bots
2008-04-08 20:05 < ShakespeareFan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch&limit=500&offset=1000&target=http%3A%2F%2F%2A.wikimapia.org&namespace=
2008-04-08 20:05 < Lucifer_Cat> im what you'd call an, er expert, in cheap fembots
2008-04-08 20:06 < ShakespeareFan00> A good number of those links need to be replaced with a link via the Wikimedia Geolocater page
2008-04-08 20:06 < ShakespeareFan00> It's just the sort of task a Bot or someone with AWB access could do
2008-04-08 20:07 < Lucifer_Cat> me has neither
2008-04-08 20:07 < ShakespeareFan00> St47
2008-04-08 20:07 < ShakespeareFan00> Any admin in?
2008-04-08 20:09 < Stormscape> Imagine The Three Little Pigs narrated by Vincent Price.
2008-04-08 20:11 < Messedrocker> win
2008-04-08 20:12 < Cream> fuck
2008-04-08 20:12 < Cream> i need to go to the apple store tomorrow
2008-04-08 20:13 < vixey> me too
2008-04-08 20:13 < The359> {{sodoit}}?
2008-04-08 20:13 < compwhizii> ...why?
2008-04-08 20:13 < Cream> well, the hard drive on my ipod is having problems
2008-04-08 20:14 < Messedrocker> use solid state
2008-04-08 20:14 < Cream> i know
2008-04-08 20:15 < Messedrocker> get a Nano
2008-04-08 20:15 < Cream> It's a 80 gb one
2008-04-08 20:16 < Messedrocker> iPod hard drives are so cute
2008-04-08 20:16 < Messedrocker> with their tiny size
2008-04-08 20:19 < Wuju> Hello guys,
2008-04-08 20:21 < Lucifer_Cat> if someone likes ipod drives way too much, is he/she an iPedofile?
2008-04-08 20:22 * SonicAD_ plays The Price is Right losing horns
2008-04-08 20:22 < SonicAD_> now, if we were talking about someone who liked pedometers...
2008-04-08 20:29 < Ceiling_Cat> AHA!!!!!!
2008-04-08 20:29 < Ceiling_Cat> Tcsh, you bastard
2008-04-08 20:29 < Ceiling_Cat> I figured it out!
2008-04-08 20:29 < Warpath> O_O
2008-04-08 20:29 < Demi> tcsh is a fickle bitch
2008-04-08 20:29 < Messedrocker> iPodophile
2008-04-08 20:29 < Demi> Cream needs to see an iPodiatrist
2008-04-08 20:29 < Warpath> XD
2008-04-08 20:30 < Warpath> hey person :)
2008-04-08 20:30 * Ceiling_Cat throws a bald pussycat at Warpath
2008-04-08 20:31 < Wuju> I worked on a wikipedia article, please congratulate me. I asdded about 1 paragraph. I should be proud.
2008-04-08 20:31 < Messedrocker> Wuju, thank you very much for your contribution.
2008-04-08 20:31 < The359> not good enough
2008-04-08 20:31 * Messedrocker throws a plate of meatballs at Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-08 20:32 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: Enterprise_Cat aint here and i re-grew my hair... theres no bald cats left to throw
2008-04-08 20:32 < Warpath> O_o
2008-04-08 20:32 * Gracenotes checks that he's a person
2008-04-08 20:32 < Gracenotes> check succeeded
2008-04-08 20:32 * Lucifer_Cat gracefully notes that he is not.
2008-04-08 20:34 < Cream> k
2008-04-08 20:35 < The359> Cylon!
2008-04-08 20:36 < ST47> Are uploads broken or is my idiot bot broken?
2008-04-08 20:38 < Lucifer_Cat> 'idiotbot' i like the concept
2008-04-08 20:39 < Lucifer_Cat> all you have to do is to make it act like me!
2008-04-08 20:49 < koavf> Are there any admins on now?
2008-04-08 20:49 < ST47> No, none
2008-04-08 20:50 * ST47 looks around
2008-04-08 20:50 < ST47> What do you need?
2008-04-08 20:50 < koavf> I need http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Koavf/simplify.js deleted
2008-04-08 20:50 < koavf> And I don't think {{db-author}} is doing the trick.
2008-04-08 20:50 < ST47> I agree.
2008-04-08 20:50 < ST47> Deleted
2008-04-08 20:51 < koavf> Oh.
2008-04-08 20:51 < koavf> Thanks.
2008-04-08 20:52 < koavf> And I'
2008-04-08 20:52 < koavf> m out.
2008-04-08 20:52 < koavf> Again, thanks.
2008-04-08 20:52 * ST47 waves
2008-04-08 20:52 < Lucifer_Cat> pistachhio pudding anyone?
2008-04-08 20:53 < ST47> pistachios are awesome
2008-04-08 20:53 < ST47> pudding, not sure
2008-04-08 20:55 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yi_So-yeon_%28NASA_-_JSC2008-E-004174%29.jpg All I can think of is the "Jews In Space!" segment from History of the World Part I
2008-04-08 20:56 < Messedrocker> jeeeeeews
2008-04-08 20:56 < Messedrocker> in spaaaace
2008-04-08 20:56 < Messedrocker> something something something
2008-04-08 20:56 < Messedrocker> HEBREW RACE!
2008-04-08 20:59 < Messedrocker> SEE
2008-04-08 20:59 < Messedrocker> Hitler on Ice
2008-04-08 20:59 < Messedrocker> SEE
2008-04-08 20:59 < Messedrocker> A Viking Funeral
2008-04-08 20:59 < Messedrocker> SEE
2008-04-08 20:59 < Messedrocker> Jews... in Space!
2008-04-08 21:00 < Wuju> Hey
2008-04-08 21:00 < The359> heh
2008-04-08 21:00 < Wuju> Be nice to jews.
2008-04-08 21:00 < Wuju> <--- jewish
2008-04-08 21:00 < The359> who said anything bad about Jews?
2008-04-08 21:00 < Arwen> Jews? whar?
2008-04-08 21:00 * Arwen is tempted to make a Halocaust joke.
2008-04-08 21:00 < The359> Halocaust?
2008-04-08 21:01 < The359> is that a slaughter in Halo 3?
2008-04-08 21:01 < Wuju> Well I am a holocaust denier dont blame me.
2008-04-08 21:01 < Arwen> Halocaust.
2008-04-08 21:01 < Arwen> and yeah, last I checked :\
2008-04-08 21:01 < Lucifer_Cat> Wuju: denier? why?
2008-04-08 21:01 < Messedrocker> ALL THE OTHERS WILL LOAD
2008-04-08 21:01 < Messedrocker> BUT "JEWS IN SPACE" WON'T
2008-04-08 21:01 < Messedrocker> this is annoying me!
2008-04-08 21:02 < Wuju> Because we know that there are so much propaganda based on the holocaust and the biggest holocaust today is in the middle east
2008-04-08 21:02 < Wuju> where israel tries to ruin many palestines, Their deaths outlasted the death rate of the holocaust.
2008-04-08 21:03 < The359> erm, what?
2008-04-08 21:03 * The359 thinks your math is a little wacky
2008-04-08 21:03 < Cream> I,m off
2008-04-08 21:03 < Cream> toodles
2008-04-08 21:03 < Cream> <3
2008-04-08 21:03 < The359> Also, death through war is a bit different from death through slavery, torture, and slaughter
2008-04-08 21:04 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways, A killed X number of B... B killed Y number of C... even if Y > X, fact still remains that A killed X numbers of B
2008-04-08 21:04 < Lucifer_Cat> its not like, 'Since Y > X, X never happened'
2008-04-08 21:05 < Lucifer_Cat> and honestly, I'd kill a bunch too, if they tried to delete my country the day it was born.
2008-04-08 21:05 < Wuju> WEll if you look at israel laws today, etc, israel is cruel.
2008-04-08 21:06 < Lucifer_Cat> and then keep on putting it up for CSD.
2008-04-08 21:06 < The359> Cruel?
2008-04-08 21:06 < Wuju> if you want proof, just ask.
2008-04-08 21:06 < The359> Bit of a difference between "cruel laws" and "holocaust"
2008-04-08 21:06 < Wuju> I am talking about zionism.
2008-04-08 21:06 < The359> Are these cruel laws leading to death, Wuju?
2008-04-08 21:07 < Lucifer_Cat> The359: duh, yeah. but thats not the point.
2008-04-08 21:07 < Wuju> Not entirely, but it is the funding from u.s.a and the United Nations help. ETC
2008-04-08 21:07 < Wuju> its more than that.
2008-04-08 21:07 < The359> ok, wait
2008-04-08 21:07 < Lucifer_Cat> Wuju: well maybe you would appreciate it better if you were under constant attack.
2008-04-08 21:08 < Wuju> based on what?
2008-04-08 21:08 < The359> You "deny" the holocaust simply because Israel receives funding and has been involved in wars?
2008-04-08 21:08 < Wuju> No because it is a fact that there were plenty of propaganda provided.
2008-04-08 21:08 < Wuju> There were cover ups, etc and many other things.
2008-04-08 21:08 < The359> provided for what?
2008-04-08 21:09 < Wuju> The jews lied a lot when it comes to the holocaust.
2008-04-08 21:09 < Wuju> They have made propaganda and made many coverups.
2008-04-08 21:09 < Wuju> Should I trust everything written about the holocaust?
2008-04-08 21:09 < The359> No one said that?
2008-04-08 21:09 < The359> But what reason do you have to believe people lied about it?
2008-04-08 21:10 < koavf> Wait, what?
2008-04-08 21:10 < Wuju> First is, 6 million jews did not die.
2008-04-08 21:10 < koavf> Did you just write "The jews lied a lot when it comes to the holocaust."
2008-04-08 21:10 < Wuju> Whom is jewish and their countings to define how many jews died are incorrect.
2008-04-08 21:10 < The359> Based on...?
2008-04-08 21:10 < Wuju> it should not be even 5 million either.
2008-04-08 21:11 < koavf> Wuju, where did you get this information that six million Jews did not die (during the Holocaust)?
2008-04-08 21:11 < Wuju> Based on the evidence provided, and Jews were known to lie way before world war 2, those are the kind of evidence.
2008-04-08 21:11 < The359> What evidence?
2008-04-08 21:11 < The359> erm, wait..
2008-04-08 21:11 < NotACow> DEATH!
2008-04-08 21:11 < Wuju> I got my evidence from numerous of books.
2008-04-08 21:11 < Arwen> koavf, doesn't the burden of proof lie upon the one claiming the Halocaust existed?
2008-04-08 21:11 < The359> "Jews are known to lie"
2008-04-08 21:11 < Gracenotes> uh, everyone lies...
2008-04-08 21:11 < Messedrocker> Wuju, get this, every group of people were known to lie
2008-04-08 21:11 < koavf> Yes it does, Arwen.
2008-04-08 21:11 < The359> Stereotype your own religion why don't you?
2008-04-08 21:11 < NotACow> caustic salt?
2008-04-08 21:11 < Messedrocker> before AND AFTER world war 2
2008-04-08 21:12 < Wuju> And I do not even trust every group either.
2008-04-08 21:12 < The359> why do you trust the ones you do trust though?
2008-04-08 21:12 < koavf> The burden of proof also lies with those who contradict the vast majority as well in order to be convincing.
2008-04-08 21:12 < Gracenotes> the Jews never falsified doctrinal documents. (*cough* *Catholics*)
2008-04-08 21:12 < Wuju> Trust? No one is worth trusting, I am worth trusting from my findings.
2008-04-08 21:12 < The359> but you said you got it from books
2008-04-08 21:12 < koavf> What makes you trust these sources over other sources that claim the Holocaust did occur?
2008-04-08 21:12 < The359> How do you know those books are true?
2008-04-08 21:12 < Wuju> Yes, and I do not have to trust them.
2008-04-08 21:12 < Wuju> Both sides are also wrong.
2008-04-08 21:13 < koavf> What does that mean?
2008-04-08 21:13 < The359> are you snorting something?
2008-04-08 21:13 < Wuju> It means many people were not able to provide good proof based on the holocaust.
2008-04-08 21:13 < Arwen> are we being trolled? lol
2008-04-08 21:13 < koavf> What would be good proof?
2008-04-08 21:13 < koavf> How could someone prove it?
2008-04-08 21:14 < Cyrius> Arwen: trolled or not, there's not much point
2008-04-08 21:14 < Wuju> People should not always depend on proof. People are more interested in facts and being right than being wise.
2008-04-08 21:15 < The359> people shouldn't depend on proof?
2008-04-08 21:15 < The359> What is this, fantasy land?
2008-04-08 21:15 < koavf> I don't know what that means, but how could someone give you facts about the Holocaust having occurred? What would someone have to do or show?
2008-04-08 21:15 < The359> all of this because I had to bring up Jews In Space...
2008-04-08 21:15 < Wuju> Facts are only interpretations of data. FActs do not exist.
2008-04-08 21:16 < Wuju> And you do not need to question me more do you?
2008-04-08 21:16 < koavf> Well, you haven't made it clear how your theory is falsifiable.
2008-04-08 21:16 < The359> you brought it up
2008-04-08 21:16 < koavf> That's what I want to know.
2008-04-08 21:16 < koavf> How could someone disprove your claim?
2008-04-08 21:17 < Wuju> They can believe whatever they want. It doesnt matter. I have no belief it is all Zen.
2008-04-08 21:17 < koavf> You do have beliefs.
2008-04-08 21:17 < koavf> There are things you accept as being true.
2008-04-08 21:17 < koavf> It is impossible to not believe.
2008-04-08 21:17 < koavf> Even if you are Zen.
2008-04-08 21:17 < Wuju> Zen is not about beliefs.
2008-04-08 21:18 < koavf> Zen is itself a system of belief and practice. That having been said, there are things that you accept to be the case.
2008-04-08 21:18 < koavf> It is impossible to have no beliefs.
2008-04-08 21:18 * The359 believes in boobs
2008-04-08 21:18 < NotACow> i have no beliefs.
2008-04-08 21:18 < koavf> I don't believe that.
2008-04-08 21:18 < koavf> You accept things as true.
2008-04-08 21:18 < Messedrocker> NotACow, do you believe you exist?
2008-04-08 21:18 < Monobi> NotACow, so, what about murder?
2008-04-08 21:19 < NotACow> i have no need for beliefs; everything i know is true.
2008-04-08 21:19 < koavf> Belief is acceptance of a statement as truth.
2008-04-08 21:19 < NotACow> it's true whether or not i believe in it
2008-04-08 21:19 < koavf> Yes.
2008-04-08 21:19 < koavf> Precisely my point.
2008-04-08 21:19 < NotACow> i love nathan lane.
2008-04-08 21:19 < Monobi> NotACow, so, what if you didnt believe in gravity? Gravity exists.
2008-04-08 21:19 < The359> Watching The Daily Show, NotACow?
2008-04-08 21:19 < NotACow> The359: indeed.
2008-04-08 21:19 < Monobi> Is it still true?
2008-04-08 21:20 < koavf> It is irrelevant whether or not you have beliefs that correspond with truth, you still have beliefs.
2008-04-08 21:20 < koavf> You still accept things as true.
2008-04-08 21:20 < Monobi> Even if they aren't.
2008-04-08 21:20 < koavf> For instance, you believe that you love Nathan Lane.
2008-04-08 21:20 < The359> I was surprised he brought up [[Max Mosley]]
2008-04-08 21:20 < NotACow> no, they are true, whether or not i accept them
2008-04-08 21:20 < koavf> You accept it to be true that you love Nathan Lane.
2008-04-08 21:20 < Monobi> Even if you accept they are true you can be wrong.
2008-04-08 21:20 < NotACow> no, i am never wrong
2008-04-08 21:20 < koavf> Clearly, that's not the case.
2008-04-08 21:20 < koavf> You've already been wrong about your own mental state.
2008-04-08 21:20 < Wuju> Coming from someone who does not understand zen or practice zen
2008-04-08 21:20 < Wuju> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l9/mamalee3/Zenis.jpg
2008-04-08 21:21 < Wuju> This is what you should know about Zen.
2008-04-08 21:21 < NotACow> i just said that to confuse you
2008-04-08 21:21 < Wuju> Good Game.
2008-04-08 21:21 < koavf> You have no idea how much I know about Zen.
2008-04-08 21:21 < koavf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_%28resources%29 btw
2008-04-08 21:21 < NotACow> Wuju: that really should look like a penis
2008-04-08 21:21 < Wuju> I am not talking to you koavf
2008-04-08 21:21 < koavf> That's not true.
2008-04-08 21:21 < koavf> I mean, you just did.
2008-04-08 21:22 < koavf> But you may not have been when you made a different claim.
2008-04-08 21:22 < Wuju> Okay so you are the person who said zen has beliefs.
2008-04-08 21:23 < koavf> Well, "Zen" doesn't have beliefs.
2008-04-08 21:23 < NotACow> believing things inevitably leads to confusion
2008-04-08 21:23 < koavf> Zen is not a person, so Zen cannot accept things as facts.
2008-04-08 21:23 < NotACow> believe nothing
2008-04-08 21:23 < koavf> You have beliefs, though, regardless of your practice of Zen.
2008-04-08 21:23 < Wuju> And you are ignored
2008-04-08 21:23 < koavf> That is not possible.
2008-04-08 21:23 < Wuju> Zen
2008-04-08 21:23 < koavf> It is impossible to believe nothing.
2008-04-08 21:23 < Wuju> I have down syndrome.
2008-04-08 21:24 < NotACow> is that like up syndrome?
2008-04-08 21:26 < Wuju> Does anybody here play Gunz online enough to contribute to Gunz article on wikipedia?
2008-04-08 21:26 < The359> My syndrome sits at my side
2008-04-08 21:27 < koavf> Okay, so I guess you're just being an inflammatory ass, then.
2008-04-08 21:27 < koavf> You clearly do not actually deny the Holocaust or believe that it is possible to believe in nothing.
2008-04-08 21:28 < ST47> O.o
2008-04-08 21:28 < The359> if you're on ignore, it's not worth it
2008-04-08 21:28 < The359> move on, koavf
2008-04-08 21:28 < Wuju> The359 what did koavf say?
2008-04-08 21:29 < ST47> Wuju: if you want to know, unignore him
2008-04-08 21:29 < Wuju> okay i unignored him
2008-04-08 21:29 < The359> too late
2008-04-08 21:29 < Wuju> oh pwnt
2008-04-08 21:29 < quanticle> Is it really possible to believe nothing? Certainly Descartes didn'
2008-04-08 21:29 < quanticle> t think so
2008-04-08 21:29 * The359 stabs quanticle
2008-04-08 21:29 < The359> stfu ;)
2008-04-08 21:29 < koavf> Okay, so I guess you're just being an inflammatory ass, then. You clearly do not actually deny the Holocaust or believe that it is possible to believe in nothing.
2008-04-08 21:29 < Wuju> how do i unignore someone?
2008-04-08 21:30 < Inke> ...XD
2008-04-08 21:30 < Starnestommy> Wuju: /unignore?
2008-04-08 21:30 < Wuju> oh thanks
2008-04-08 21:30 * The359 stabs koavf
2008-04-08 21:30 < The359> enough
2008-04-08 21:30 < koavf> Well, he wanted to know what I said.
2008-04-08 21:30 < koavf> Only fair to copy-paste it again.
2008-04-08 21:30 < NotACow> stop trollng, koavf
2008-04-08 21:30 < The359> not if it continues this arguement
2008-04-08 21:30 * ST47 thanks NotACow
2008-04-08 21:30 < koavf> But I suppose you're right, it's his fault for ignoring.
2008-04-08 21:30 < quanticle> The359: Heh. I guess I'm in an existential/philosophical mood after finishing Focault's pendulum.
2008-04-08 21:30 < koavf> Me trolling?
2008-04-08 21:30 < koavf> I'm trying to take this seriously.
2008-04-08 21:31 < The359> then stop
2008-04-08 21:31 < koavf> I was done.
2008-04-08 21:31 < NotACow> stop trying to take things seriously.
2008-04-08 21:31 < koavf> Oh, lulz NotACow.
2008-04-08 21:31 < koavf> lulz lulz lulz
2008-04-08 21:31 < quanticle> NotACow: Heh. Wikipedia? Serious? You must be jesting!
2008-04-08 21:31 < NotACow> excessive seriousness causes heartburn
2008-04-08 21:31 < quanticle> NotACow: And constipation.
2008-04-08 21:31 < The359> and hairy palms
2008-04-08 21:31 < quanticle> The359: And blindness.
2008-04-08 21:32 < NotACow> The359: no, that's just unfortunate surgical consequences
2008-04-08 21:32 < NotACow> THE CASE OF THE HAIRY HAND
2008-04-08 21:32 < The359> hair hand feels smoother
2008-04-08 21:33 < The359> moving on swiftly
2008-04-08 21:33 < NotACow> rolling rolling rolling
2008-04-08 21:38 < Wuju> There should be a new section for BlackMoon Chronicles on wikipedia
2008-04-08 21:39 < Wuju> Its about a game which was in around 2002, company got bankrupted, now its back up for beta testing, etc.
2008-04-08 21:39 < Wuju> Whats up with all of the rare names in Wikipedia for users who do not contribute to anything.
2008-04-08 21:39 < Cyrius> [[Black Moon Chronicles]]
2008-04-08 21:40 * TheWeasel finds out he's granted an extra semester for exam prep
2008-04-08 21:40 < TheWeasel> Brilliant.
2008-04-08 21:40 < Wuju> Yes its there, I am talking about the game, not the book.
2008-04-08 21:40 < TheWeasel> (If I find a way to sustain it financially, that is)
2008-04-08 21:42 < koavf> Is anyone on who is knowledgeable about creating userscripts and who wants to give me a hand?
2008-04-08 21:42 < privatemusings> g'day folks.....
2008-04-08 21:42 < privatemusings> if you glance at the channel topic for a mo...
2008-04-08 21:42 < Gracenotes> koavf: what do you need the script for?
2008-04-08 21:42 < Gracenotes> (I'd be glad to help)
2008-04-08 21:42 < privatemusings> you'll see that it's been set to '[[Wikipedia:NotTheWikipediaWeekly]]'
2008-04-08 21:43 < privatemusings> which is a project which has been promoting 'real world' conversations about wiki issues via Skype....
2008-04-08 21:43 < privatemusings> and we've got one setting up at the moment!
2008-04-08 21:43 < koavf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts#Request_for_script
2008-04-08 21:43 < privatemusings> (which you'd all be most welcome to come along to....)
2008-04-08 21:43 < privatemusings> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NotTheWikipediaWeekly
2008-04-08 21:43 < privatemusings> take a look, or ping me, if you're interested!
2008-04-08 21:43 < privatemusings> ;-)
2008-04-08 21:44 < Lucifer_Cat> stop plugging it
2008-04-08 21:44 < privatemusings> ok!
2008-04-08 21:44 < privatemusings> (sorry!)
2008-04-08 21:44 < Lucifer_Cat> i must have seen that link like 10 times over the weekend
2008-04-08 21:44 * privatemusings searched for his shame.... it's there somewhere...
2008-04-08 21:44 < privatemusings> ;-)
2008-04-08 21:44 < The359> spaaaaaaaaaaaam
2008-04-08 21:44 < Lucifer_Cat> (hey im kidding!)
2008-04-08 21:45 < privatemusings> all is cool!
2008-04-08 21:45 < privatemusings> cat's are especially welcome!
2008-04-08 21:45 < TheWeasel> Apostrophe's too?
2008-04-08 21:45 < Gracenotes> koavf: reading
2008-04-08 21:45 < privatemusings> and templates...
2008-04-08 21:46 < privatemusings> although they're a bit weird to talk too
2008-04-08 21:46 < Gracenotes> koavf: so you want a tab if the simple interwiki exists?
2008-04-08 21:47 < koavf> Animum is taking a look on #wikipedia-en-help as well...
2008-04-08 21:47 < koavf> Well... I thought so, but I think it's better to just have it regardless.
2008-04-08 21:47 < koavf> And if the Simple doesn't exist, that might encourage the user to make it.
2008-04-08 21:47 < koavf> The user being me, I suppose.
2008-04-08 21:47 < Gracenotes> koavf: it is possible to check whether the article exists on simple from en, and vice versa
2008-04-08 21:47 < Gracenotes> (that is, with the same name)
2008-04-08 21:47 < koavf> Sure.
2008-04-08 21:47 < koavf> With the interwiki link?
2008-04-08 21:48 < Gracenotes> koavf: nope, with an API call.
2008-04-08 21:48 < Gracenotes> so the script could verify that a page exists, even if the interwiki is not present
2008-04-08 21:48 < koavf> Sure.
2008-04-08 21:48 < ShakespeareFan00> HI any template writers in
2008-04-08 21:48 < ShakespeareFan00> I need a template to solve a specfic problem
2008-04-08 21:49 < TheWeasel> lol, the Landquart Broncos
2008-04-08 21:49 < TheWeasel> Sorry
2008-04-08 21:49 < TheWeasel> Hrm!
2008-04-08 21:49 < koavf> All I really had in mind was basically a link from en.wp to simple.wp and vice versa that becomes a tab at the top. Whether or not the target exists.
2008-04-08 21:49 < koavf> What do you need Fan?
2008-04-08 21:49 < ShakespeareFan00> Issue: Links to Sattalite Imagery that favour a particualr site...
2008-04-08 21:49 < Gracenotes> koavf: okay :) sure
2008-04-08 21:49 < animum> I was told to interject. >.>
2008-04-08 21:49 < koavf> It would be really nice if the link becomes red if there is no page and blue if there already is.
2008-04-08 21:49 < koavf> I mean, that would be sweet.
2008-04-08 21:50 < koavf> Fan, do you have a URL for the problem, or can you show me what you're trying to describe?
2008-04-08 21:50 < geniice> koavf due to the way the databases are set up I don't think that is posible
2008-04-08 21:50 < ShakespeareFan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.wikimapia.org
2008-04-08 21:50 < koavf> Oh. Good to know, geniice.
2008-04-08 21:51 < ShakespeareFan00> A large proportion of those links are to Sat imagery on a specfic site
2008-04-08 21:51 < koavf> And that's a bad thing because?
2008-04-08 21:51 < koavf> Is there some fair use violation or something?
2008-04-08 21:51 < ShakespeareFan00> In my view what should be happening is Geotagging, and linkng to a pluarility of imagery providers
2008-04-08 21:51 < ShakespeareFan00> and GIS providers
2008-04-08 21:52 < koavf> Sure.
2008-04-08 21:52 < ShakespeareFan00> Wikimapia also has objectionable licensing terms
2008-04-08 21:52 < ShakespeareFan00> So I'd like a choice about where I get sat photos from
2008-04-08 21:52 < denelson83> koavf: I use green for a blue link
2008-04-08 21:52 < koavf> I think there is a template that does that... {{Coord}}?
2008-04-08 21:52 < koavf> Denelson, you lost me. I do not understand you. Do you mean you have a custom style?
2008-04-08 21:53 < koavf> The script could be told to not override it, or you could just make the rule !important.
2008-04-08 21:53 < ShakespeareFan00> Well I need to template that flags it up for editors , and advises to replace a single source link for Sat photos with the Geolocation data tool link
2008-04-08 21:53 < ShakespeareFan00> Something along the lines of Geodata_plurality or something?
2008-04-08 21:54 < koavf> So, if you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana
2008-04-08 21:54 < ShakespeareFan00> This issue only concerns Geodata
2008-04-08 21:54 < koavf> And click on coordinates, it shows this: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?pagename=Indiana¶ms=40_N_86_W_region:US-IN_type:state
2008-04-08 21:54 < koavf> Is that what you have in mind?
2008-04-08 21:54 < ShakespeareFan00> Yeah
2008-04-08 21:54 < Gracenotes> koavf: done. by the way, if you need any other scripts, [[WP:US/R]] exists for request specifically
2008-04-08 21:55 < CydeWeys> Quick, I need an example of a famous scientist who was a notorious prick.
2008-04-08 21:55 < ShakespeareFan00> What the goedata_pluarility template should do is a flag a page that has a link to a single source like Google Maps/Yahoo so that the link can be replaced Magnus's tool
2008-04-08 21:55 < Gracenotes> Newton!
2008-04-08 21:55 < CydeWeys> Was he?
2008-04-08 21:55 < thebonehead> fleming was messy and disorganized
2008-04-08 21:55 < Messedrocker> was newton a prick?
2008-04-08 21:55 < Monobi> No
2008-04-08 21:55 < Gracenotes> he was terribly competitive, to the point of it being personal
2008-04-08 21:55 < Monobi> CydeWeys, Darwin
2008-04-08 21:55 < koavf> Grace, that's astounding. Thanks so much.
2008-04-08 21:55 < CydeWeys> Monobi: Was he?
2008-04-08 21:56 < koavf> I'll give it a test run and let you know if anything funny happens.
2008-04-08 21:56 < Gracenotes> koavf: great
2008-04-08 21:56 < Monobi> CydeWeys, yes
2008-04-08 21:56 < CydeWeys> ... cite?
2008-04-08 21:56 < ShakespeareFan00> So far I've been nuking Wikimapia links... but really I want to replace them...
2008-04-08 21:56 < koavf> Neils Bohr was a jackass.
2008-04-08 21:56 < ShakespeareFan00> The other issue is as to the relability of Wikimapia in relation to WP:RS
2008-04-08 21:57 < koavf> Cite for Bohr?
2008-04-08 21:57 < koavf> http://www.mininova.org/tor/1080009
2008-04-08 21:57 < ShakespeareFan00> Geodata plurality would help make geocoords data moe accurate
2008-04-08 21:57 < TheWeasel> jackass: male equus asinus
2008-04-08 21:57 < ShakespeareFan00> kovaf: You will look into it?
2008-04-08 21:57 < Mike2> CydeWeys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sibley
2008-04-08 21:57 < koavf> He's a real ass to Hugh Everett, III.
2008-04-08 21:57 < ShakespeareFan00> I have to go soon
2008-04-08 21:57 < koavf> I'm not sure if I have the know-how.
2008-04-08 21:57 < ShakespeareFan00> If not ask an admin :)
2008-04-08 21:57 < koavf> But I'll give it a look for a minute and post on your talk.
2008-04-08 21:57 < koavf> You have this username on en.wp?
2008-04-08 21:57 < ShakespeareFan00> OK Thanks
2008-04-08 21:58 * TheWeasel liked the idea of this wiki maps thing
2008-04-08 21:58 < TheWeasel> it must be fun
2008-04-08 21:58 * TheWeasel doesn't have a GPS receiver
2008-04-08 21:58 < ShakespeareFan00> Leave a note on the talk page for Sfan00_IMG
2008-04-08 21:58 < koavf> Okay.
2008-04-08 21:58 < ShakespeareFan00> TheWeasel: You mean OpenStreetMap... crazy but intresting bunch of people ;)
2008-04-08 21:58 < TheWeasel> hah, their maps are really pretty
2008-04-08 21:58 < TheWeasel> far prettier than most things one can buy
2008-04-08 21:59 < ShakespeareFan00> But incomplete, and in some cases 70 years out of date because of the underlying data
2008-04-08 21:59 < TheWeasel> my area has been done very well except oddly enough a rather obvious one a few yards off
2008-04-08 21:59 < koavf> I'm out. Again, much love to Grace and ani for helping.
2008-04-08 21:59 < ShakespeareFan00> ( Case in point being Bovingdon, Herts)
2008-04-08 21:59 < koavf> And down with Holocaust denial.
2008-04-08 21:59 < ShakespeareFan00> Which until I fixed it didn't mention the disused airfield