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2008-04-06 14:44 < WilliamH_UK> since they were considered enemies, they had to be destroyed
2008-04-06 14:44 * TheWeasel 's grandpa was lucky enough to become a British POW
2008-04-06 14:44 < WilliamH_UK> of course mainly because the nazis considered them racially subordinate anyway
2008-04-06 14:44 < WilliamH_UK> but that is how it worked
2008-04-06 14:44 < Wikiacc> WilliamH_UK: well national-socialist ideology blamed many woes on the prosperous class of Jewish bankers and entrepreneurs
2008-04-06 14:44 < Lucifer_Cat> also, while we are at it, its totally crap to compare how many people died under an atheist stalin in a very turbulent time of the world and ignore how many people have been killed in the name of religion
2008-04-06 14:44 < WilliamH_UK> yes that is quite right, the transports that took trainloads of Jews to death camps were coordinated by the Reichsicherheitshauptamt
2008-04-06 14:44 < WilliamH_UK> RSHA, reich main security office
2008-04-06 14:45 * Wikiacc likes those huge German words
2008-04-06 14:45 < WilliamH_UK> while it was indeed based on the nazi ideology, it was fueled at the time by security matters
2008-04-06 14:45 < WilliamH_UK> that these vast numbers of people would react
2008-04-06 14:45 < Lucifer_Cat> my gramps and great gramps were british political prisoners.
2008-04-06 14:45 < Lucifer_Cat> well i lied.
2008-04-06 14:45 < gwern> http://bp2.blogger.com/_jW0fHcfb-L4/R_j6yFyIqZI/AAAAAAAADFM/yn9aOzxRdB4/s1600-h/untitled.bmp <-- brilliant
2008-04-06 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> none of them were ever arrested :P
2008-04-06 14:46 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: ???
2008-04-06 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: indian freedom fighters
2008-04-06 14:46 < gwern> (wow, peter the great was darn tall)
2008-04-06 14:46 < Wikiacc> ah ok
2008-04-06 14:46 < WilliamH_UK> here's another word for you: their belongings were stolen and sent back to germany by the Wirtschaft-Verwaltungshauptamt
2008-04-06 14:46 < Wikiacc> gwern: that's great
2008-04-06 14:46 < WilliamH_UK> WVHA
2008-04-06 14:46 < TheWeasel> And Horst Wessel wasn't killed by a Communist but by a pimp, but the Nazis made a cult around him
2008-04-06 14:46 < WilliamH_UK> and on that note, im off for dinner
2008-04-06 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> but afaik, my great gramp forbid my gramp to do any such freedom fighting crap
2008-04-06 14:48 < Lucifer_Cat> my gramps elder bro hoever was a kickass fighter who got arrested twice for peaceful protests and did not drink water in glass mugs till he died (cuz the brits introduced them)
2008-04-06 14:48 < gwern> wow. obama's up to 82% in the IEM for the democratic nom
2008-04-06 14:48 < Lucifer_Cat> IEM
2008-04-06 14:48 < Lucifer_Cat> that would be?
2008-04-06 14:48 < gwern> I would've made a quite nice profit there... if I hadn't hedghed hillary so much >.<
2008-04-06 14:49 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: rtfw
2008-04-06 14:49 < Lucifer_Cat> Irresponsibly Estimated errmmm nevermind
2008-04-06 14:49 < Lucifer_Cat> rtfw?
2008-04-06 14:49 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: did not drink water in glass mugs?
2008-04-06 14:49 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: your acronyms are making no sense
2008-04-06 14:49 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: yes, rtfm through a mirror
2008-04-06 14:50 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: my acronyms make perfect sense
2008-04-06 14:50 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: no the mirrors have been in india since ages
2008-04-06 14:50 < m-c> was just listening to NPR on the topic of wikipedia coverage of obama and clinton
2008-04-06 14:50 < Lucifer_Cat> so was glass
2008-04-06 14:50 < gwern> m-c: ah, that the one about the lone guardian of hillary?
2008-04-06 14:50 < Lucifer_Cat> but glass utensils were a british trend
2008-04-06 14:51 < m-c> nice job with the administrator interviews of wikipedia project
2008-04-06 14:51 < gwern> hm. I figure hillary will get a bounce going into the next series, so I'll sell off my shares then as a limit order and buy some more obama. even at 82 cents, they'll still pay off 1$ when he's nominated
2008-04-06 14:51 < Lucifer_Cat> err that was supposed to be addressed to Wikiacc
2008-04-06 14:52 < gwern> thank god I got rid of my edwards shares though. they're still trading - at .002 cents a share
2008-04-06 14:52 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: indians used to eat/drink in mud/ceramic thingys
2008-04-06 14:52 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: interesting
2008-04-06 14:52 < Lucifer_Cat> the brits introduced glass thingys
2008-04-06 14:52 < Wikiacc> gwern: .002 cents? who's buying them?
2008-04-06 14:52 < gwern> Wikiacc: no idea
2008-04-06 14:53 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: well glass is nice for seeing how much is left :P
2008-04-06 14:53 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: people who hope he will run as a runnin mate
2008-04-06 14:53 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: ah ok, fairly unlikely though
2008-04-06 14:53 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: i am yet to see a feebler argument.
2008-04-06 14:53 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: no, the market is only for presidental nominations; veep doesn't count
2008-04-06 14:53 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: well one shouldn't have to argue over it, it's really just personal preference :P
2008-04-06 14:53 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: well if obama is P and ed is VP, high chances that ed will be the P
2008-04-06 14:54 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: well that's a function of the probability that Obama gets assassinated
2008-04-06 14:54 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: lol that wasnt my point
2008-04-06 14:54 < gwern> the worst part is, the prices are so low I can't arbitrage them down any further
2008-04-06 14:54 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: ok :P
2008-04-06 14:54 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: that probablity is high
2008-04-06 14:54 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: the market is for nomination, as I said; the presidental markets are based on party
2008-04-06 14:55 < Lucifer_Cat> well, i just hope its to a GOPHouse at the end of it all.
2008-04-06 14:55 < Wikiacc> gwern: perhaps if the convention is completely deadlocked, the superdelegates are obstinate, so they bring in a compromise candidate
2008-04-06 14:55 < Wikiacc> gwern: that would be the only way for edwards to get the nomination
2008-04-06 14:55 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: that would not bid well at ALL for the dems
2008-04-06 14:55 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: yeah
2008-04-06 14:55 < Lucifer_Cat> also, in that case, i prefer TheGore
2008-04-06 14:55 < gwern> Wikiacc: possible, but I wouldn't throw money away on the off change
2008-04-06 14:56 < gwern> *chance
2008-04-06 14:56 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: you said change. now i have to drink.
2008-04-06 14:56 < Wikiacc> gwern: it's so unlikely, it's not even worth .002 cents
2008-04-06 14:56 < gwern> ...mccain is only at 93 cents a share? lol wut
2008-04-06 14:56 < Lucifer_Cat> damn you :(
2008-04-06 14:56 < PeanutHorst> TheWeasel: no, that was because of the propaganda poem he wrote, the Wessel-lied, smacktard.
2008-04-06 14:56 < Wikiacc> gwern: 93? i'm definitely buying some of those up
2008-04-06 14:56 < TheWeasel> Hm?
2008-04-06 14:56 < gwern> ...the market must be pricing in the chance he'll have a heart attack
2008-04-06 14:56 < TheWeasel> Yea, but they needed his death
2008-04-06 14:56 < gwern> or it's being dumb
2008-04-06 14:56 * gwern votes for the latter and puts in a limit order
2008-04-06 14:56 < TheWeasel> to get him a martyr status
2008-04-06 14:57 < Wikiacc> gwern: 93:7 odds is way too low though
2008-04-06 14:57 * Wikiacc senses an arbitrage opportunity, perhaps
2008-04-06 14:58 < gwern> it's being dumb
2008-04-06 14:58 < gwern> the shares add up to 1.004
2008-04-06 14:58 < Lucifer_Cat> how bad is it to plug a website on this channel?
2008-04-06 14:58 < Wikiacc> gwern: rounding error?
2008-04-06 14:58 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: depends on the relevance of the site, and how good it is
2008-04-06 14:59 < gwern> Wikiacc: don't think so. things are traded down to the thousandths place; I just punched in the last price of all the kinds of stocks
2008-04-06 14:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: unfortunately my saving it wil violate NPOV
2008-04-06 14:59 < gwern> what that means is that I'll buy a bunch of bundles and sell off the non-mccain pieces
2008-04-06 14:59 < Wikiacc> gwern: hm
2008-04-06 14:59 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: how so
2008-04-06 14:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: its my blog :P
2008-04-06 15:00 < Lucifer_Cat> also it has nothing to do with wiki
2008-04-06 15:00 < Lucifer_Cat> except that i (pretend to )verify my 'facts' on wiki
2008-04-06 15:00 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: o ok
2008-04-06 15:01 < Lucifer_Cat> i just wanted some people to review my writing. this ofcourse isnt the best place to ask.
2008-04-06 15:01 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: we're never on topic here, anyway, so i don't see a huge problem
2008-04-06 15:02 < Lucifer_Cat> http://satyamlucifer.blogspot.com/
2008-04-06 15:02 < Lucifer_Cat> read some of the earlier ones.
2008-04-06 15:02 < Lucifer_Cat> not that there are many anyways
2008-04-06 15:02 < Lucifer_Cat> some are just fillers so i can say i update twice in a year :P
2008-04-06 15:03 < PeanutHorst> Lucifer_Cat: my blog is bigger than yous
2008-04-06 15:03 < PeanutHorst> yours *
2008-04-06 15:03 * gwern looks at the presidental market for dem vs rep victory shares, and is pleased
2008-04-06 15:03 < gwern> heh heh... excellent. I bought republican in the '30s, and it's climbed all the way to 48cents
2008-04-06 15:04 < Lucifer_Cat> PeanutHorst: any half way decent blog will be bigger, better than mine
2008-04-06 15:04 < gwern> and I sold my dem shares at 56
2008-04-06 15:04 < TheWeasel> It was easy to buy Republicans in the 1930s.
2008-04-06 15:05 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: you haven't updated that in way too long :P
2008-04-06 15:05 < Wikiacc> most would leave it for dead
2008-04-06 15:06 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: i know
2008-04-06 15:06 < gwern> still... I'm not thrilled with mccain's chances against obama, although the issue is less clear than I'd like. so I guess I'll set some limit orders to get out of that market till the nomination clears thigns up
2008-04-06 15:06 < Lucifer_Cat> its not something i do with any regularity
2008-04-06 15:07 < Lucifer_Cat> i make up stories for fun... and then sometimes post them on the blog.
2008-04-06 15:07 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: still, it's not a good thing for people to come upon your site, note the last post was so many months ago, and leave, assuming it's dead
2008-04-06 15:07 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: hardly any chance that someone will come up unless i give them my url.
2008-04-06 15:08 < Lucifer_Cat> and i usually inform my fans (all 5 of them) whenever i have a post out.
2008-04-06 15:08 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: you know, it's a great ego-booster to have a well-trafficked blog.
2008-04-06 15:08 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: yup thats why im taking steps to improve it/increase posts to it
2008-04-06 15:09 < Lucifer_Cat> im thinking i'll slowly ramp up... first once every month and then once 2 weeks and then once a week atleast
2008-04-06 15:09 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat: I used to write a blog with 3 readers, which did me no good, as opposed to the blog I now write, not sure how many readers, but 20-50 hits per day
2008-04-06 15:09 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc: awesome link...
2008-04-06 15:09 < gwern> 'I think of the oak beams in the ceiling of College Hall at New College, Oxford. Last century, when the beams needed replacing, carpenters used oak trees that had been planted in 1386 when the dining hall was first built. The 14th-century builder had planted the trees in anticipation of the time, hundreds of years in the future, when the beams would need replacing. Did the carpenters plant new trees to replace the beams again a few hundred years ...
2008-04-06 15:09 * Wikiacc won't link it here
2008-04-06 15:10 < gwern> ... from now?'
2008-04-06 15:10 < Wikiacc> gwern: probably...not?
2008-04-06 15:12 < gwern> 'The only way to survive over the long run is to be made of materials large and worthless, like Stonehenge and the Pyramids, or to become lost. The Dead Sea Scrolls managed to survive by remaining lost for a couple millennia. Now that they've been located and preserved in a museum, they're probably doomed. I give them two centuries - tops.'
2008-04-06 15:13 < gwern> 'The only clocks that have ever really survived over the long run (like the water clock of Su Sung, or the giant hourglass of Uqbar) have survived in books, drawings, and stories. ' <-- a borges fan after me own 'eart
2008-04-06 15:14 < Cyrius> hide things on the moon!
2008-04-06 15:14 < Cyrius> if they survive the trip, they'll last forever
2008-04-06 15:14 * TheWeasel dislikes bad translations
2008-04-06 15:14 < TheWeasel> >.<
2008-04-06 15:15 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: bad translations of what
2008-04-06 15:15 < TheWeasel> in this case, from en.wp to de.wp
2008-04-06 15:15 < TheWeasel> but the answer is "of everything, in general"
2008-04-06 15:17 < gwern> translation is possible, but only in specific cases. translation is impossible, except in specific cases. translation is generally impossible. translation is impossible.
2008-04-06 15:18 < TheWeasel> Signed: [[User:Jacques_Derrida]]
2008-04-06 15:18 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: translation is always an approximation
2008-04-06 15:18 < TheWeasel> yea, but you should at least attempt good German
2008-04-06 15:18 < TheWeasel> extreme accuracy is secondary in my view
2008-04-06 15:18 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: since there are certain subtleties in meaning that are idiosyncratic to the source language for which it is difficult to convey in the target language
2008-04-06 15:18 * gwern struggless to avoid some sort of nazi joke
2008-04-06 15:18 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well, of course
2008-04-06 15:19 < gwern> 'Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name. In general, this page should be created and edited by User:Jacques Derrida. If in doubt, please verify that "Jacques Derrida" exists.' <-- but if the text says it doesn't exist, how can we verify from somewhere else? there is nothing outside the text!
2008-04-06 15:20 < TheWeasel> 'E's stone dead!
2008-04-06 15:20 < gwern> no he's not
2008-04-06 15:20 < TheWeasel> for modest enough values of "alive"
2008-04-06 15:20 < TheWeasel> "Jacques Derrida (pronounced [ʒak dɛʁida][1]) (July 15, 1930 – October 8, 2004) was..."
2008-04-06 15:21 < gwern> TheWeasel: he's just fine. see, the text moved, right there
2008-04-06 15:21 < TheWeasel> haha, Wikipedia can revive peeps!
2008-04-06 15:24 < TheWeasel> it's be odd if Wikipedia could directly influence reality
2008-04-06 15:24 < TheWeasel> *d
2008-04-06 15:24 < gwern> why? most of reality could influence reality
2008-04-06 15:24 < TheWeasel> for example, some ERIC would become GAY every day
2008-04-06 15:24 < gwern> wikipedia is a part of reality....
2008-04-06 15:24 < TheWeasel> Well, yes, I mean change past events.
2008-04-06 15:25 < TheWeasel> or future events that are normally mostly determined by extra-wikipedian factors
2008-04-06 15:25 < gwern> not impossible in principle if you don't mind weird quantum effects
2008-04-06 15:25 < TheWeasel> Each time you vandalize Wikipedia, some parallel universe gets turned on its head!
2008-04-06 15:26 < gwern> there is a world in the multiverse where random fluctuations mean that every instance of wikipedia vandalism is accompanied by the described event happening, or appearing to have happened
2008-04-06 15:27 < TheWeasel> Yep.
2008-04-06 15:27 < TheWeasel> But I wouldn't want to live there.
2008-04-06 15:27 < TheWeasel> all the parallel universes Wikipedia edits have created...
2008-04-06 15:28 < gwern> there is also a logically possible universe where those fluctuations happened and no WP ever existed
2008-04-06 15:29 < Lucifer_Cat> Wikiacc! check PM
2008-04-06 15:29 < TheWeasel> Accio!
2008-04-06 15:30 < Wikiacc> Lucifer_Cat! check PM
2008-04-06 15:30 < Lucifer_Cat> did
2008-04-06 15:30 < Wikiacc> kk
2008-04-06 15:30 < gwern> vite! tres vite!
2008-04-06 15:30 < gwern> schnell, Wikiacc. schnell
2008-04-06 15:31 < TheWeasel> vengavengavengavengavenga!
2008-04-06 15:31 < Cyrius> gwern: I propose that in a universe with a WWW, a Wikipedia-like site was inevitable
2008-04-06 15:33 < gwern> Cyrius: I don't. suppose there was no safe harbor provision. there might be something named wikipedia, but I doubt there'd be any true shared identity
2008-04-06 15:33 < gwern> Cyrius: just to double check - do you mean inevitable in the modal logic philosophical meaning, or just highly probable?
2008-04-06 15:33 < Cyrius> hmm...that might be a necessary condition
2008-04-06 15:34 < Cyrius> gwern: the latter.
2008-04-06 15:34 < Cyrius> I obviously haven't worked out a formal proof that Wikipedia would happen
2008-04-06 15:34 < Cyrius> well, around here it may not be obvious
2008-04-06 15:35 < TheWeasel> Just cite bogus papers linking it to Lie groups (pertinent name for the mode of proof)
2008-04-06 15:35 < gwern> hee hee. a formal proof would be interesting
2008-04-06 15:36 < TheWeasel> "F. Raud (1987) has shown that..."
2008-04-06 15:37 < TheWeasel> if all fails, say "it is obvious that..."
2008-04-06 15:38 < Wikiacc> http://jhfowler.ucsd.edu/colbert_bump.pdf
2008-04-06 15:38 < gwern> or let as an exercise for the reader
2008-04-06 15:38 < TheWeasel> hah yea
2008-04-06 15:38 < Wikiacc> The Colbert Bump in Campaign Donations: More Truthful than Truthy
2008-04-06 15:39 < TheWeasel> "the rest is trivial"
2008-04-06 15:39 < gwern> 'the proof that DNA-based lifeforms inevitably leads to a semiconductor industry is straightforward, albeit tedious, and is left for the reader'
2008-04-06 15:39 < Wikiacc> gwern: probably the stupidest concept I've encountered in a while
2008-04-06 15:40 < Wikiacc> gwern: :P
2008-04-06 15:41 < nokmar> "such a proof that all primes are of the form 2n, where n is an integer, is trivial and is hereby left as an exercise for the reader"
2008-04-06 15:41 * TheWeasel proves it for n = 1
2008-04-06 15:41 * Wikiacc notes that 2 takes that form, even if no others do
2008-04-06 15:42 < Wikiacc> damn, TheWeasel, you beat me to it
2008-04-06 15:42 < TheWeasel> Therefore, by induction...
2008-04-06 15:42 < nokmar> weirdos.
2008-04-06 15:42 < TheWeasel> QUED
2008-04-06 15:42 < nokmar> THERE YOU GO
2008-04-06 15:42 < nokmar> =DDDDD
2008-04-06 15:42 < gwern> nokmar: 'an elegant proof can be derived that will fit on a few pages'
2008-04-06 15:42 < nokmar> such a proof will not fit in this margin
2008-04-06 15:43 < TheWeasel> "I've found a truly marvellous proof, but it doesn't fit on this beermat."
2008-04-06 15:43 < gwern> 'an elegant proof can be derived that will almost fit in the margins of a page'
2008-04-06 15:43 < Cyrius> "The proof that you should give me a dollar is elementary, and I will not waste your time on it here."
2008-04-06 15:43 < TheWeasel> Or the "proof by reference to later editions"
2008-04-06 15:44 < gwern> 'the subject of ongoing research'
2008-04-06 15:44 < TheWeasel> "proof will be included in the 17th ed. of this publication in 2011, QED"
2008-04-06 15:44 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: of course
2008-04-06 15:44 < dasunt> I have a question about article naming.
2008-04-06 15:44 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: leaving the reader with nothing to do until then
2008-04-06 15:44 < Wikiacc> dasunt: don't ask to ask, just ask
2008-04-06 15:44 < TheWeasel> or cite some obscure out of print journal
2008-04-06 15:44 < dasunt> There are two bands both called "The Ocean".
2008-04-06 15:44 < Lycurgus> hard to believe not a single death of note on the 4th
2008-04-06 15:44 < dasunt> One's from Portland, Maine, and seems to be a Doom Metal band.
2008-04-06 15:45 < dasunt> The other is from Germany, and is a death metal / prog death band.
2008-04-06 15:45 < Wikiacc> Lycurgus: really, now
2008-04-06 15:45 < dasunt> Both bands are rather minor, with the German one seeming to be more productive (3 albums, vs 1 for the Maine band).
2008-04-06 15:45 < dasunt> How would I name the articles for both of those bands?
2008-04-06 15:46 < Wikiacc> dasunt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Album_and_song_titles_and_band_names
2008-04-06 15:46 < TheWeasel> (U.S. band) and (German band)
2008-04-06 15:46 < Cyrius> unimaginative band name 1 and unimaginative band name 2? =)
2008-04-06 15:46 < Wikiacc> The Ocean (U.S. band) and The Ocean (German band)
2008-04-06 15:46 < Wikiacc> presuming both are notable
2008-04-06 15:46 < Cyrius> {{delete}}
2008-04-06 15:46 < TheWeasel> Anyway, something like "Colombo (Proceedings of the VII. Conference of the Turkmen Section of the Friends Of Bird Sociology, 1912) posits that..."
2008-04-06 15:46 < dasunt> Thanks.
2008-04-06 15:46 < dasunt> I think The Ocean is notable.
2008-04-06 15:46 < dasunt> Considering I picked them up in a Best Buy.
2008-04-06 15:47 < dasunt> The Wiki already mentions the other band, but has no page.
2008-04-06 15:47 < TheWeasel> Does that mean their records are the best buy?
2008-04-06 15:47 < dasunt> I dunno.
2008-04-06 15:47 < TheWeasel> Okay.
2008-04-06 15:47 < Wikiacc> heh
2008-04-06 15:48 < dasunt> Their song titles are entertaining.
2008-04-06 15:48 * Wikiacc notes that much of what is sold at Best Buy is not the best buy
2008-04-06 15:48 < TheWeasel> it's bit of a trend right now to produce witty songtitles
2008-04-06 15:48 < dasunt> I'll give any band credit for labeling a two disk album "Precambrian", and disk 1 is Hadean/Archaean while disk 2 is Proterozoic.
2008-04-06 15:49 < Cyrius> heh
2008-04-06 15:49 < Wikiacc> dasunt: heh
2008-04-06 15:49 < TheWeasel> Hey, that's another way to get away with bogus proof
2008-04-06 15:50 < TheWeasel> just touch as many unrelated fields of science as possible
2008-04-06 15:50 < dasunt> Hmmm.
2008-04-06 15:50 < dasunt> Okay, the other band does exist on wikipedia.
2008-04-06 15:50 < dasunt> Just under a different name.
2008-04-06 15:51 < Wikiacc> dasunt: what name?
2008-04-06 15:51 < dasunt> "The Ocean Collective"
2008-04-06 15:52 < dasunt> Hmmmm.
2008-04-06 15:52 < Wikiacc> perhaps it should be left that way, if that's the full name
2008-04-06 15:54 < dasunt> Cute.
2008-04-06 15:54 < dasunt> The actual disk bills them as "The Ocean" on the spine.
2008-04-06 15:54 < Wikiacc> why was this enok unbanned, I wonder
2008-04-06 15:55 < dasunt> Credit in the booklet is to "The Ocean Collective" though. So I'll leave it that way.
2008-04-06 16:00 < HumbertHumbert> Why does not Doodie.com have a Wikipedia article?
2008-04-06 16:01 < ohasi> hallo
2008-04-06 16:02 < Lycurgus> hestons death seems to be a non-event in the French, Japanese, and Israeli press.
2008-04-06 16:02 < Golbez> what i enjoy doing
2008-04-06 16:02 < Golbez> is reading FACs
2008-04-06 16:02 < Golbez> and trying to figure out what the article is about only from the comments
2008-04-06 16:02 < Golbez> for example, I have no clue what Maximian or El Senor Presidente are
2008-04-06 16:02 < Golbez> I figure Maximian is some Roman. No clue what the second is.
2008-04-06 16:02 < Lycurgus> maximian was an emperor
2008-04-06 16:02 < Lycurgus> a short lived one IIRC
2008-04-06 16:02 < Golbez> HumbertHumbert- why should it?
2008-04-06 16:03 < HumbertHumbert> Is it just me, or did the Wikipedia background just go less quality?
2008-04-06 16:03 < Golbez> dunno
2008-04-06 16:03 < dasunt> Hmmmm.
2008-04-06 16:04 < Lycurgus> nope, 20 years.
2008-04-06 16:04 < Lycurgus> though it was after the diocletian split so he was co-emperor.
2008-04-06 16:21 < Chetblong> O_O
2008-04-06 16:24 < Lucifer_Cat> yes popeye?
2008-04-06 16:24 < Chetblong> O_O
2008-04-06 16:24 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah , you
2008-04-06 16:25 < Chetblong> :O
2008-04-06 16:28 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> anyone know about some massive vandalism for page links?
2008-04-06 16:29 < Cyrius> I haven't heard anything
2008-04-06 16:29 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod
2008-04-06 16:30 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> the whole page bleeding red
2008-04-06 16:30 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> same was with the Tool page a minute ago
2008-04-06 16:31 < Cyrius> um
2008-04-06 16:31 < Cyrius> the links are red because the destination pages don't exist
2008-04-06 16:31 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> uh no they do exist because ive seen them all before
2008-04-06 16:31 < Cyrius> you're on simple english
2008-04-06 16:32 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> and if you go look at the Tool page it was just restored
2008-04-06 16:32 < Cyrius> I clicked the links, there's nothing there
2008-04-06 16:32 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> obviously
2008-04-06 16:32 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> aka mass vandalization
2008-04-06 16:32 < Cyrius> no
2008-04-06 16:33 < Lucifer_Cat> xi0s`risinGmo0n: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod
2008-04-06 16:33 < Lucifer_Cat> you have been to THOSE before
2008-04-06 16:33 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> lol i mustve missed that
2008-04-06 16:33 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> dont know how in the world i got to the wrong page but thanks
2008-04-06 16:33 < Cyrius> I told you, you were on the simple english wikipedia
2008-04-06 16:34 < Cyrius> the only way a vandal can delete pages is if he's an admin
2008-04-06 16:34 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> yea well i thought you meant it was in simple english, which it is
2008-04-06 16:34 * Lycurgus (sniggers)
2008-04-06 16:34 < Cyrius> or there's a ridiculous security hole, but I doubt there's one of those left
2008-04-06 16:34 < Cyrius> although it could happen
2008-04-06 16:34 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> thats what they all say... until it gets discovered
2008-04-06 16:35 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> just tryin to help out, sorry for the misunderstanding
2008-04-06 16:35 < Cyrius> we've got a lot of assholes who would love to find a way to delete our pages
2008-04-06 16:35 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> fortunately 90% of those assholes arent computer geniuses either
2008-04-06 16:35 < Lucifer_Cat> xi0s`risinGmo0n: help is always appreciated.
2008-04-06 16:36 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> thanks, im still new here ;]
2008-04-06 16:36 < Lycurgus> it would be easy if you didn't need admin authority to actaully delete
2008-04-06 16:36 < Lucifer_Cat> xi0s`risinGmo0n: given the sheer number of assholes, 10% of them is pretty goddamn darn big.
2008-04-06 16:36 < Lycurgus> I could easily write a script to do serial blanking
2008-04-06 16:36 < Fennec> fortunately, even a computer genius has difficulty deleting wikipedia pages without authorization
2008-04-06 16:37 < Lucifer_Cat> Fennec: thats what Cyrius said
2008-04-06 16:37 < Lycurgus> applied distributively it could make a serious dent
2008-04-06 16:37 < xi0s`risinGmo0n> yea well thats why hopefully they dont have assholes as admins
2008-04-06 16:37 < Cyrius> Lycurgus: mass blanking is wimpy
2008-04-06 16:37 < Cyrius> Wikbot was bad
2008-04-06 16:37 < Pilotguy> THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
2008-04-06 16:37 < Lycurgus> yeah typically assholes dont have skillz
2008-04-06 16:38 < Lucifer_Cat> Lycurgus: typically.
2008-04-06 16:38 < Lycurgus> like the creep who turned me off to wp by hounding my edits. Just not worth it.
2008-04-06 16:39 < Lycurgus> usually right wing creeps
2008-04-06 16:39 * Lucifer_Cat is out, posting sweet replies to w4m postings on craigslist.
2008-04-06 16:42 < Adambro> i've got a photo of one of the Olympic torch bearers at the relay in london today and wonder if anyone here might know who he is, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:2008_Olympic_Torch_Relay%2C_London_AB1.JPG
2008-04-06 16:43 < Lycurgus> try uk ioc
2008-04-06 16:44 < mavhc> what happens if someone puts the flame out? Back to Greece everyone! ?
2008-04-06 16:44 < Adambro> mavhc: some protesters tried today in london with a fire extinguisher
2008-04-06 16:44 < mavhc> that would have been hilarious
2008-04-06 16:45 < Platonides> they'd take it there by plane ;)
2008-04-06 16:45 < mavhc> stupid olympics, hate it, and now it's coming to uk, gah
2008-04-06 17:17 < Lucifer_Cat> chatkill
2008-04-06 17:18 * Lucifer_Cat smacks mavhc ... yyou killed that chat
2008-04-06 17:18 < Adambro> lol
2008-04-06 17:18 < Lucifer_Cat> that my job
2008-04-06 17:18 * Adambro is working on uploading my other photos of the relay to Commons
2008-04-06 17:22 < Mike5> today's FA is semi-protected?
2008-04-06 17:23 < nsh-> and semidelicious!
2008-04-06 17:23 < The359> yes?
2008-04-06 17:23 < Mike5> the vandalism wasn't even that extreme
2008-04-06 17:24 < White_Cat> delisemicious
2008-04-06 17:24 < White_Cat> ciousdelisemi
2008-04-06 17:24 < Mike5> not that i'm complaining or anything
2008-04-06 17:24 < White_Cat> Mike5 I cant imagine you actualy complaining
2008-04-06 17:25 < White_Cat> I imagine you'd be shooting randomly from your mech
2008-04-06 17:31 < gwern> White_Cat: How can you do such things?
2008-04-06 17:33 < gwern> 'Easy. You just gotta lead them a bit less!'
2008-04-06 17:36 < Lucifer_Cat> ?
2008-04-06 17:37 < Messedrocker> how now brown cow
2008-04-06 17:39 < mavhc> just like last time, only twice as fast
2008-04-06 17:40 < Cream> Hello!
2008-04-06 17:40 < Cream> I CAN HAS CHEEZEBURGAR?
2008-04-06 17:40 < mavhc> yes
2008-04-06 17:41 < compwhizii> Cream, don't
2008-04-06 17:41 < compwhizii> you know better
2008-04-06 17:42 < Cream> lol
2008-04-06 17:42 < compwhizii> i'm serious
2008-04-06 17:42 < Cream> ok
2008-04-06 17:42 < nsh-> careful
2008-04-06 17:42 < Cream> tl:dr
2008-04-06 17:42 < nsh-> he's serious, and from the internets
2008-04-06 17:42 < compwhizii> for real!
2008-04-06 17:42 < Cream> internet is serious business
2008-04-06 17:43 < compwhizii> no jokes here
2008-04-06 17:44 < Lucifer_Cat> meow?
2008-04-06 17:44 < nsh-> FYYFF is a cool acronym
2008-04-06 17:44 < Lucifer_Cat> lucifer cat is evil
2008-04-06 17:44 < Cream> i like tl:dr
2008-04-06 17:45 * nsh- likes wikipedia pages that haven't been made boring by peer review yet
2008-04-06 17:45 < compwhizii> gtfo Vandal
2008-04-06 17:45 < Lucifer_Cat> for your yearnings for fuck?
2008-04-06 17:45 < compwhizii> kidding*
2008-04-06 17:45 < nsh-> example: GEBAPB
2008-04-06 17:45 < nsh-> "Get Eaten By A Polar Bear" (Friendly insult usually directed at Swedes, Finns, Norwegians and other igloo inhabitting Scandanavians)
2008-04-06 17:45 < Cream> like
2008-04-06 17:45 < Cream> a dingo ate your baby
2008-04-06 17:45 < Messedrocker> wtf is that phrase from
2008-04-06 17:46 < Cream> it's on wiki
2008-04-06 17:46 < Cream> [[Azaria Chamberlain disappearance]]
2008-04-06 17:46 < jocke> Is there any country in africa which was never colonized?
2008-04-06 17:46 < Vandal> hello
2008-04-06 17:46 < Messedrocker> jocke, Ethiopia
2008-04-06 17:46 < jocke> yeah
2008-04-06 17:46 < jocke> now i remember
2008-04-06 17:46 < jocke> thanks
2008-04-06 17:46 < Messedrocker> the one tiny parcel of land which successfully resisted colonization
2008-04-06 17:47 < Messedrocker> also i think liberia was granted independence
2008-04-06 17:47 < Messedrocker> at one point or another
2008-04-06 17:47 < nsh-> I resisted colonisation once
2008-04-06 17:47 < nsh-> good times
2008-04-06 17:48 < Vandal> your mom didnt
2008-04-06 17:48 < Vandal> resisted my colonization
2008-04-06 17:51 < jocke> Hehe, imagine a war between south africa and lesotho: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LocationLesotho.svg
2008-04-06 17:52 < Messedrocker> "WE HAVE YOUR ENTIRE COUNTRY SURROUNDED."
2008-04-06 17:52 < SWATJester> south africa is like a case study for effective military tactics
2008-04-06 17:52 < SWATJester> as is zimbabwe/rhodesia
2008-04-06 17:53 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-04-06 17:54 < Lubaf> How's rougishness?
2008-04-06 17:54 < Lucifer_Cat> rough
2008-04-06 17:54 < Vandal> recommend me a book
2008-04-06 17:55 < Lucifer_Cat> Lamb, by christopher moore
2008-04-06 17:55 < SWATJester> If I could go back in time, I would go back and watch the Rhodesian Bush War.
2008-04-06 17:55 < Lucifer_Cat> Audacity of Hope, by change we can believe in
2008-04-06 17:55 < Cream> I recommend Everybody poops!
2008-04-06 17:55 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: why
2008-04-06 17:56 < SWATJester> It's like a case study of effective modern military tactics.
2008-04-06 17:56 < SWATJester> And it had a direct effect on the Vietnam War
2008-04-06 18:00 < Lucifer_Cat> SWATJester: how
2008-04-06 18:01 < SWATJester> how what?
2008-04-06 18:08 < SWATJester> ?
2008-04-06 18:09 < NotACow> DEATH!
2008-04-06 18:10 < Messedrocker> LIFE!
2008-04-06 18:11 < mavhc> COMA!
2008-04-06 18:13 < NotACow> VERTIGO!
2008-04-06 18:13 < Messedrocker> CONSUMPTION!
2008-04-06 18:14 < The359> HOT DOGS!
2008-04-06 18:14 < The359> oh, wait...
2008-04-06 18:21 < Antibuddha> does anyone here read the straight dope?
2008-04-06 18:21 < Antibuddha> does anyone here read?
2008-04-06 18:22 < gwern> Antibuddha: what is this reading you speak of?
2008-04-06 18:22 < gwern> we wot not whereof
2008-04-06 18:23 < Antibuddha> what happened to that man who tried to give terry schiavo some water?
2008-04-06 18:23 < Antibuddha> he got pushed out of the window by doctor kevorkian?
2008-04-06 18:23 < gwern> he failed
2008-04-06 18:24 < Antibuddha> did he splash her face with water at least?
2008-04-06 18:24 < Antibuddha> i need details wikipedia, please write article of specific terry schiavo incidents
2008-04-06 18:26 < Antibuddha> im eating canned salmon
2008-04-06 18:26 < Antibuddha> its good that others are getting brain damage from the heavy metals in canned salmon
2008-04-06 18:27 < Antibuddha> but it is bad that i am getting brain damage from it
2008-04-06 18:27 < Antibuddha> what a conundrum
2008-04-06 18:27 < NotACow> people eat canned salmon
2008-04-06 18:27 < Antibuddha> its doubly conundrous, because you guys think it is bad that people get brain damage from metals in canned salmon
2008-04-06 18:27 * Sponge eats pouch salmon.
2008-04-06 18:27 < Antibuddha> and you guys also think its good that i get brain damage from eating canned salmon
2008-04-06 18:28 * NotACow doesn't understand why people eat canned salmon
2008-04-06 18:28 < Antibuddha> and it is now triply conundrous because you guys wont admit this because you dont want to agree with me
2008-04-06 18:28 < gwern> bleh. this master thesis is a reasonbale presentation of the rationale for exo-kernels, but I don't like
2008-04-06 18:28 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: whats so bad about it
2008-04-06 18:28 < Antibuddha> what a conundrum
2008-04-06 18:28 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: it's canned?
2008-04-06 18:28 < gwern> don't they make mit students learn how to spell, or even run a spellchecker???!
2008-04-06 18:28 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: why eat canned when you can get real food?
2008-04-06 18:29 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: hmmm... i dont buy fish myself, so i wouldnt know
2008-04-06 18:29 < Antibuddha> NotACow: because i got some canned salmon to remind me of my homeless days in hawaii
2008-04-06 18:30 < Antibuddha> it tasted like shit back then and it still tastes like shit
2008-04-06 18:30 * NotACow likes salmon, but prefers it fresh
2008-04-06 18:30 < NotACow> not cannnnnnned
2008-04-06 18:32 < Lucifer_Cat> Antibuddha: did you move to Illinois later?
2008-04-06 18:32 < Antibuddha> Lucifer_Cat: i just went camping in hawaii
2008-04-06 18:33 < Antibuddha> for summer vacation, 500 bucks for 2 months :D
2008-04-06 18:33 < SWATJester> Is conundrous actually a word?
2008-04-06 18:33 < Antibuddha> no its not
2008-04-06 18:33 < Antibuddha> that makes it even moreso conundrous
2008-04-06 18:34 < SWATJester> What would the correct word for conundrum-like be?
2008-04-06 18:34 < Antibuddha> "conundrous"
2008-04-06 18:34 < Antibuddha> because it is self-referencing
2008-04-06 18:34 < Antibuddha> there's only one word for conundrum-like and it is itself a conundrum because it is not a right word
2008-04-06 18:34 < Antibuddha> so it is doubly true
2008-04-06 18:35 < Antibuddha> two wrongs make a very solid right
2008-04-06 18:35 < Sponge> conundrumatic?
2008-04-06 18:35 < Antibuddha> 1x1=1, but 1 squared is spread over an area of dimension 1x1
2008-04-06 18:36 < Antibuddha> therefore conundrous is the square word for conundrum-like
2008-04-06 18:37 < Antibuddha> but dont worry too much about it, conundrous wont catch up because it is self-referencing- mortal minds cant handle mirrors for fear of seeing themselves
2008-04-06 18:37 < Antibuddha> that's why they killed jesus
2008-04-06 18:43 * Cream pokes ST47 in a extremely hard way
2008-04-06 18:44 * ST47 stabs Cream
2008-04-06 18:45 * Cream kicks ST47
2008-04-06 18:45 * Mike_H pets Thehelpfulone2
2008-04-06 18:46 * Thehelpfulone2 wonders why o.o
2008-04-06 18:46 < Thehelpfulone2> oh XD
2008-04-06 18:46 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-04-06 18:54 * Lucifer_Cat drops everyone into fire and brimstone cocktail.
2008-04-06 18:57 < nsh-> wow
2008-04-06 18:57 < nsh-> just made the mistake of going to #ed
2008-04-06 18:57 < nsh-> never have i seen a moar wretched hive of fail and lamery
2008-04-06 18:58 * Cyrius gets nsh- a blanket and a hot drink
2008-04-06 18:58 < nsh-> thanks mang
2008-04-06 18:58 * Cyrius schedules PTSD counseling for nsh-
2008-04-06 18:59 < nsh-> on the plus side, i learnt that charlton heston died today
2008-04-06 18:59 < Lycurgus> canned salmon is way cheaper
2008-04-06 18:59 < nsh-> unfortunately for the sake of ironies everwhere, no guns were involved
2008-04-06 18:59 < Lycurgus> hey you know he had alzheimers.
2008-04-06 19:00 < Lycurgus> in the 50s and 60s he was a liberal.
2008-04-06 19:00 < nsh-> age does that to people
2008-04-06 19:00 < nsh-> winston churchil proved it using rhetoricmaths
2008-04-06 19:00 < Lycurgus> he was just a fucking actor after all.
2008-04-06 19:00 * nsh- imagines if maths worked like rhetoric
2008-04-06 19:00 < Lycurgus> rhetoricmaths?
2008-04-06 19:01 < nsh-> it's when you say things eloquently, thereby proving some point
2008-04-06 19:01 < Lycurgus> in some peoples minds there's no difference
2008-04-06 19:01 < Lycurgus> it's all egghead doodoo
2008-04-06 19:01 < nsh-> except unlike logicmaths, it tends to fail as often as succeed
2008-04-06 19:01 < Lycurgus> you're not a native speaker of English are you, nsh?
2008-04-06 19:02 < nsh-> nah mang
2008-04-06 19:02 < nsh-> i'm just so native that i transcend the rule and protocol
2008-04-06 19:02 < Lycurgus> just testing my senses. As a person trying to break out of English only.
2008-04-06 19:02 < nsh-> essentially, english conforms to my usage
2008-04-06 19:02 < Lycurgus> no it doesn't.
2008-04-06 19:03 < nsh-> you're just not reading the right sources blakey
2008-04-06 19:03 < Lycurgus> it doesn't even have a standardizing body like some lesser european langs.
2008-04-06 19:03 < Rinn> Lycurgus is right. It conforms to my usage.
2008-04-06 19:04 < nsh-> the cutting edge has waked all over your lateness
2008-04-06 19:04 < i123Pie> why is it locked down?
2008-04-06 19:04 < Lycurgus> *unlike
2008-04-06 19:05 < i123Pie> ok nevermind
2008-04-06 19:07 < Enterprise_Cat> Hello Chris_G
2008-04-06 19:08 < Chris_G> Hi
2008-04-06 19:09 * Cream puts Rinn in a box full of silica gel
2008-04-06 19:11 < Antibuddha> how did V from V from Vendetta pay for shipping all those packages?
2008-04-06 19:11 < Lycurgus> *for
2008-04-06 19:11 < Antibuddha> no
2008-04-06 19:12 < Lycurgus> yes
2008-04-06 19:12 < Antibuddha> if it was v for vendetta
2008-04-06 19:12 < Antibuddha> it would be "V" is for "Vendetta"
2008-04-06 19:12 < Antibuddha> they made a huge mistake from the original manuscript author's title
2008-04-06 19:13 < Antibuddha> and i didn't see V hold pom poms and making a V sign
2008-04-06 19:13 < Lucifer_Cat> Enterprise_Cat!
2008-04-06 19:14 < Luna-San> Could be he forged or stole documentation.
2008-04-06 19:14 < Lucifer_Cat> charlton heston... cool dude gone bad?
2008-04-06 19:14 < Cream> Epic Fail Guy?
2008-04-06 19:14 < Antibuddha> speaking of cheerleaders, i had a dream once where five cheerleaders made a human totem pole
2008-04-06 19:14 < Luna-San> Interesting that the packages bother you, but his massive underground lair, tunnel network, and apparently unlimited supply of explosives doesn't. >.>
2008-04-06 19:14 < Cream> speaking of cheerleaders
2008-04-06 19:14 < Antibuddha> i was like, i didn't know cirque du soleil did high school cheerleading
2008-04-06 19:14 < Lucifer_Cat> Antibuddha: he stole the money from the government
2008-04-06 19:14 < Cream> I will go to a audition:)
2008-04-06 19:14 < Lucifer_Cat> Luna-San: lol
2008-04-06 19:15 < Antibuddha> where did he get all those domino pieces
2008-04-06 19:15 < Luna-San> Heh
2008-04-06 19:15 < Lycurgus> speaking of cheerleaders, my theory is that those noises some wimmen make when they may or may not be faking orgasms are cheerleading
2008-04-06 19:15 < Antibuddha> did he spend ten years making it
2008-04-06 19:15 < Lucifer_Cat> Antibuddha: toys-r-us?
2008-04-06 19:16 < Antibuddha> he wouldnt be allowed at toys r us unless he dressed up as a clown and pretended he had to get dominos fast for someone's birthday party
2008-04-06 19:16 < Antibuddha> and then he'd have to go to a dozen or so toys-r-us so as not to raise suspicion
2008-04-06 19:16 < Antibuddha> difficult to fathom
2008-04-06 19:16 * Lucifer_Cat cant believe we are even discussing a movie's loop holes
2008-04-06 19:17 < Cream> I know the song Mickey's routine
2008-04-06 19:17 < Lycurgus> would you rather have a dead channel?
2008-04-06 19:17 < Luna-San> Every story has its plot holes. Even Casablanca has a few.
2008-04-06 19:17 < Antibuddha> casablanca was the greatest chess player in history
2008-04-06 19:17 < Antibuddha> after bobby fischer, of course
2008-04-06 19:17 < Lucifer_Cat> Lycurgus: i'd rather talk about something intelligent
2008-04-06 19:18 < Lycurgus> wrong channel
2008-04-06 19:18 < gwern> heh heh. I am pleased with myself. I was arguing with a friend about The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya; she said haruhi has brown hair, and I said it was black, definitely black
2008-04-06 19:18 < Lucifer_Cat> Lycurgus: i was being sarcastic
2008-04-06 19:18 < gwern> so we eventually found the fan translation of the first book
2008-04-06 19:18 < gwern> and lo and behold! she is described as having sleek black hair
2008-04-06 19:18 < Antibuddha> you guys want to talk about that 2005 movie Lord of War?
2008-04-06 19:18 < gwern> she's not happy since the anime is clearly brown :)
2008-04-06 19:18 < Antibuddha> that movie was kick-ass
2008-04-06 19:19 * Lycurgus is now sure Antibuddha is under 18.
2008-04-06 19:19 < Antibuddha> they had that scientologist Nicholas Cage play an emotionally flat psychopathic arms dealer, he played it perfect
2008-04-06 19:20 < Antibuddha> scientologists are great actors, so long as they act inclusive to characters that lack range of facial expression
2008-04-06 19:20 < Antibuddha> lord of war was 20 minutes of nicholas cage staring, and it was awesome
2008-04-06 19:20 < Messedrocker> Antibuddha, you just reminded me of "Lindsay Lohan doesn't change facial expressions"
2008-04-06 19:20 < Antibuddha> speaking of scientology, how's katie holmes?
2008-04-06 19:21 < nsh> expressions come from thetanblockage
2008-04-06 19:21 < HumbertHumbert> http://216.127.90.69/doodie.com/pics/vcr6.gif.08222007
2008-04-06 19:21 < nsh> katie holmes is under lock and key
2008-04-06 19:21 < Antibuddha> i liked tom cruise's ex wife
2008-04-06 19:21 < Antibuddha> tom and her were both scientologist psychopaths and they played eyes wide shut perfect
2008-04-06 19:21 < Antibuddha> god bless scientologist actors
2008-04-06 19:22 < Antibuddha> they just stare, and stare, and stare
2008-04-06 19:23 < Antibuddha> south park got it right when they made fun of scientology, and scientologist Chef quit in protest and they turned him into a zombie, which im sure was the way his colleagues expressed how they felt about his personality in real life
2008-04-06 19:24 < Lycurgus> one superstition is a good as another in my book
2008-04-06 19:25 < Lycurgus> although scientology is particualarly egregious
2008-04-06 19:25 < Messedrocker> scientology by itself isn't terribly harmful
2008-04-06 19:26 < Messedrocker> but really it's a religion for money
2008-04-06 19:26 < Lycurgus> you can hardly compare the scale of damage it does to the abrahamic cults though
2008-04-06 19:26 < Messedrocker> the abrahamic religions have existed much longer so they've had more time to do damage
2008-04-06 19:26 < Messedrocker> in the 50 years or so scientology has existed they have done a SHITLOAD of damage
2008-04-06 19:26 < Messedrocker> compare to 2000 years of christianity or 4000 years of judaism or 1400 years of Islam
2008-04-06 19:26 < Antibuddha> xenu is angry
2008-04-06 19:27 < Enterprise_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: What?
2008-04-06 19:27 < Lucifer_Cat> nothing
2008-04-06 19:27 < Lucifer_Cat> want some EJ Beans?
2008-04-06 19:29 < Antibuddha> wouldnt it be funny if scientology's religion is a unified theory of the universe
2008-04-06 19:29 < Antibuddha> and they hide it in plain view, under the guise of a money scam
2008-04-06 19:29 < Antibuddha> maybe elrond hubbard really was the Source
2008-04-06 19:30 < Pilotguy> ...
2008-04-06 19:30 < Antibuddha> not to be confused with the Source in satanic terminology
2008-04-06 19:31 < Antibuddha> many religions have advocated poverty
2008-04-06 19:31 < Antibuddha> scientology ensures it
2008-04-06 19:31 < Antibuddha> in fact, they often make it so that you have the opposite of wealth
2008-04-06 19:33 < Antibuddha> maybe those who presumptuously claim scientology is evil are really too base and unenlightened to contemplate going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt for a few sessions of something spiritual
2008-04-06 19:34 < Antibuddha> you'd think tom cruise is a rich man, but in fact he is actually 1.4 million in debt, all told
2008-04-06 19:35 < Antibuddha> he is humble, humbler than the average american by a hundred-fold (using the statistic of 10,000$ debt per human in america)
2008-04-06 19:36 < Antibuddha> isn't anyone enjoying my adhd rant?
2008-04-06 19:36 < Antibuddha> i invented reptilians and david icke stole it from me!
2008-04-06 19:36 < Antibuddha> tell me something to make a conspiracy theory about and i'll give it to you in 30 seconds or less
2008-04-06 19:36 < Messedrocker> sony
2008-04-06 19:36 < Antibuddha> sony is japanese
2008-04-06 19:36 < Lycurgus> i might if you accompanied it with some nude photos
2008-04-06 19:36 < Antibuddha> japanese people are all cultists thats all
2008-04-06 19:37 < Lucifer_Cat> thats too lame
2008-04-06 19:37 < Lucifer_Cat> ok Software Industry
2008-04-06 19:37 < Messedrocker> ooh i know one
2008-04-06 19:38 < Messedrocker> all software has special software secretly embedded in it
2008-04-06 19:38 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: shhh
2008-04-06 19:38 < Lucifer_Cat> damn you