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2008-04-03 23:55 < tobago> hah werdna it wasnt an insult. i just havent met any yet
2008-04-03 23:55 < xsillysteve> my, you're looking mighty acute today
2008-04-03 23:55 < Ral315_> You're looking very acute.
2008-04-03 23:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Werdna - 60 degrees?
2008-04-03 23:55 < Werdna> dammit
2008-04-03 23:55 < xsillysteve> pwned.
2008-04-03 23:55 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: I'll have to remember to write all my paper titles in caps from now on :3
2008-04-03 23:55 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - that's how latex does it
2008-04-03 23:55 < Ceiling_Cat> (side note: I both love and hate latex)
2008-04-03 23:55 * Werdna told that in math one day
2008-04-03 23:55 < uberpenguin> latex is for old neckbearded curmudgeons
2008-04-03 23:55 * Krimpet loves latex too ;s
2008-04-03 23:56 < uberpenguin> the new generation fights valliantly with word processors
2008-04-03 23:56 < Ceiling_Cat> so anyway, my advisor gave me some very long test runs to do on the MTA
2008-04-03 23:56 < Ceiling_Cat> I started them up at 2:00 PM tuesday
2008-04-03 23:56 < Ceiling_Cat> by 6:00 PM, the MTA-2's raid system had crashed
2008-04-03 23:56 < Ceiling_Cat> I killed it
2008-04-03 23:56 < uberpenguin> congrats
2008-04-03 23:57 < uberpenguin> when it comes back up, you want to run some COMSOL simulations on your compute time for me?
2008-04-03 23:57 < uberpenguin> they take my PC a few days :(
2008-04-03 23:57 < Ceiling_Cat> there's not many people who can say they have access to a one-of-a-kind computer. There's even fewer people who can say they've murdered a one-of-a-kind computer.
2008-04-03 23:57 * xsillysteve starts a rousing cheer and chorus of applause
2008-04-03 23:57 < uberpenguin> untrue, go into embedded design :3
2008-04-03 23:58 < Ceiling_Cat> although it did get far enough for me to make estimates for the total runtime
2008-04-03 23:58 < Ceiling_Cat> the 128 stream version, I estimate, would have finished in 4 more hours - about 8 hours total; the 64 stream version would have taken twice as long, the 32 stream version twice as long as that....etc etc
2008-04-03 23:58 < nokmar> you work in the naval research labratory?
2008-04-03 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> I estimate the 1 stream version would have taken 43 days
2008-04-03 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> nokmar - no (although I did work for the ARL). The MTA-2 was sent back to cray several years ago
2008-04-03 23:59 < uberpenguin> I read that as 'navel research laboratory'
2008-04-03 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - you read it correctly
2008-04-04 00:00 < uberpenguin> I know
2008-04-04 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> the MTA-2 used to be NRL
2008-04-04 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> They sent it back to cray
2008-04-04 00:00 < uberpenguin> which ARL? we have people going up to ARL in Maryland all the time
2008-04-04 00:00 < nokmar> your program is embarrassingly parallel?
2008-04-04 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - Yes, that ARL
2008-04-04 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> nokmar - yes
2008-04-04 00:00 < uberpenguin> ah, cool... my buddy just got back from there yesterday
2008-04-04 00:00 * Mike_H NP: Andy Gibb - (Our Love) Don't Throw It All Away (1978)
2008-04-04 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> That place is going to pot
2008-04-04 00:00 < uberpenguin> I know why
2008-04-04 00:01 < Ceiling_Cat> My job became a casualty of the iraq war
2008-04-04 00:01 < Ceiling_Cat> and I wasn't the only one
2008-04-04 00:01 < uberpenguin> you should see the ludicrous amount of semiconductor research equipment they have
2008-04-04 00:01 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - WMRD?
2008-04-04 00:01 < uberpenguin> like, there are people with MSEEs who have their own MOCVD reactor
2008-04-04 00:01 < uberpenguin> there are only two or three MOCVD reactors on our entire campus
2008-04-04 00:01 < Ceiling_Cat> That sounds like WMRD
2008-04-04 00:02 < uberpenguin> I suppose... I don't go to ARL
2008-04-04 00:02 < Ceiling_Cat> basically, anytime something needs to get fabricated, they're the ones who do it
2008-04-04 00:02 < uberpenguin> they have stupid amounts of equipment and cleanroom space
2008-04-04 00:02 < Ceiling_Cat> and anytime something needs to get blown up, it gets sent to the explosivies and ballstics guys
2008-04-04 00:02 < uberpenguin> all of it class-10
2008-04-04 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> (I - literally - had explosions going off outside my window on a daily basis)
2008-04-04 00:03 < uberpenguin> Kevin didn't mention that
2008-04-04 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> working on a military testing range is a little like working in downtown baghdad
2008-04-04 00:03 < uberpenguin> he was still upset at having to explain what a high speed pulse generator is to airport security
2008-04-04 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> only a *lot* safer
2008-04-04 00:04 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.arl.army.mil/www/default.cfm?Action=17&Page=239&TRAction=GetAbstract&ReportID=1527&Topic=TechnicalReports
2008-04-04 00:04 < Ceiling_Cat> That's mine
2008-04-04 00:04 < Werdna> hmm
2008-04-04 00:05 < Ceiling_Cat> you can find the benchmark code in the appdendices
2008-04-04 00:05 < Ceiling_Cat> or on my website
2008-04-04 00:05 < uberpenguin> ah
2008-04-04 00:05 < Ceiling_Cat> (oh, that reminsd me!)
2008-04-04 00:05 < Werdna> Why, why, why does Wikipedia's April Fools Day suck? And why, why, why do people get all self-righteous and blocky about it?
2008-04-04 00:05 * uberpenguin doesn't speak moonspeak
2008-04-04 00:05 < Ceiling_Cat> Joseph owes me some Cell code
2008-04-04 00:05 < Ceiling_Cat> (he ported Mstack to the Cell BE)
2008-04-04 00:05 < Ceiling_Cat> he's in the deep, deep south right now on spring break
2008-04-04 00:06 < uberpenguin> the last time I did anything at all with parallel processing it involved MPICH
2008-04-04 00:06 < gwern> what was the WP april fools stuff?
2008-04-04 00:06 < uberpenguin> that was like, three geological eras ago
2008-04-04 00:06 < Ceiling_Cat> eww... MPI
2008-04-04 00:06 < gwern> I didn't see anything besides a tame site notice
2008-04-04 00:06 < uberpenguin> yes I know, no need to rant abou tit
2008-04-04 00:06 < uberpenguin> *about it
2008-04-04 00:06 < Ceiling_Cat> even ewwwwier, distributed memory
2008-04-04 00:06 * Ceiling_Cat needs a shower
2008-04-04 00:06 < Werdna> gwern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:April Fools Day
2008-04-04 00:07 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ryulong#Your_talk_page
2008-04-04 00:08 < Ceiling_Cat> Ryulong didn't like the pussy pics I left for him :(
2008-04-04 00:08 < uberpenguin> what the...
2008-04-04 00:08 < uberpenguin> why is there a spanish commercial on the history channel
2008-04-04 00:08 < uberpenguin> I thought I had flipped to telemundo
2008-04-04 00:11 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: for the record, the font your advisor uses on his CV sucks
2008-04-04 00:11 < uberpenguin> F-
2008-04-04 00:11 < SynergeticMag> my talk page is broken :(
2008-04-04 00:11 < uberpenguin> hmm... Tsinghua... we have some folks from there
2008-04-04 00:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Tsinghua is the best university in china
2008-04-04 00:12 < Ceiling_Cat> imagine harvard, MIT, princeton all rolled into one
2008-04-04 00:12 < Ceiling_Cat> that's what Tsinghua is to china
2008-04-04 00:13 < uberpenguin> I know, as I said, we have people from there
2008-04-04 00:13 < Ceiling_Cat> well, that doesn't exactly mean the same thing :P
2008-04-04 00:14 < uberpenguin> the Ph.D. student I work the most with went there
2008-04-04 00:15 < uberpenguin> ours is a pittance
2008-04-04 00:15 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - I guarentee ours is less
2008-04-04 00:15 < Ceiling_Cat> (for reasons I can explain)
2008-04-04 00:15 < uberpenguin> ours runs around $13k a year
2008-04-04 00:15 < Ceiling_Cat> ours is 14k a year
2008-04-04 00:15 < nokmar> Ceiling_Cat must pay to do research
2008-04-04 00:15 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: beat you
2008-04-04 00:15 < Ceiling_Cat> (not counting tuition, which is covered)
2008-04-04 00:15 < uberpenguin> same
2008-04-04 00:15 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin- although, FYI, Georgia is a much cheaper market
2008-04-04 00:16 < Ceiling_Cat> the cost of living there is substantially less
2008-04-04 00:16 < uberpenguin> though they deduct your health insurance from the stipend if you don't have it by other means
2008-04-04 00:16 < Ceiling_Cat> (my ARL salary was +15% location adjusted because of local prices)
2008-04-04 00:16 < uberpenguin> rent in atlanta is just as bad as most major cities
2008-04-04 00:16 < uberpenguin> my friend who lives near LA pays atlanta-comparable rent
2008-04-04 00:17 < xsillysteve> or you could move into kansas, purchase a billion hectacres for 1000$, and start a farm
2008-04-04 00:17 < uberpenguin> so what's your school's excuse for robbing you blind?
2008-04-04 00:17 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, a friend of mine called around. THe EE/CPEG grad students get the least of any science majors in the university
2008-04-04 00:17 < xsillysteve> thereby in the process robbing the nation and our government blind through protective "subsidies"
2008-04-04 00:18 < uberpenguin> well, I know that MEs get about double what we do :/
2008-04-04 00:18 < uberpenguin> at our school
2008-04-04 00:18 < Ceiling_Cat> bio gets like 18k, physics 19k, mech engineering 21k, chem 24k
2008-04-04 00:18 < Ceiling_Cat> compsci is around 18-19k
2008-04-04 00:18 < uberpenguin> dammit, and ME is a cushy degree
2008-04-04 00:18 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, the reason we get so much less has to do with who sets the stipend
2008-04-04 00:18 < Ceiling_Cat> te department chair and the graduate advisor
2008-04-04 00:18 < Ceiling_Cat> both of who are signal processing guys
2008-04-04 00:18 < Ceiling_Cat> which is why they are so low
2008-04-04 00:19 < Ceiling_Cat> signal processing research money is hard to come by
2008-04-04 00:19 < Ceiling_Cat> so they set the pay low so they can afford grad students
2008-04-04 00:19 < uberpenguin> huh
2008-04-04 00:19 * Enterprise_Cat is now going to bed, good night!
2008-04-04 00:19 < uberpenguin> our school just uses a terrible excuse; namely, the stipend is SUPPOSED to be for about 15 hours of work per week
2008-04-04 00:20 < uberpenguin> most of us semiconductor people do about 60-80 hours a week
2008-04-04 00:20 < uberpenguin> the RF and analog people work almost as much... I dunno about DSP and "the others"
2008-04-04 00:22 < Ceiling_Cat> WHOA
2008-04-04 00:22 < Ceiling_Cat> how the hell?
2008-04-04 00:22 < uberpenguin> well, you don't sleep much
2008-04-04 00:22 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, this officially makes no sense
2008-04-04 00:22 < uberpenguin> and you fail your classes
2008-04-04 00:22 < Ceiling_Cat> 07:07, 6 March 2008 Raul654 (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "205.212.0.0/16 (Talk)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 year ? (Range used by Scibaby) (Unblock)
2008-04-04 00:23 < Ceiling_Cat> And yet, IP 205.212.77.207 registered 3 scibaby socks a few days ago
2008-04-04 00:23 < uberpenguin> time to write an MPI program to figure out why
2008-04-04 00:25 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: how much time do you have left before you're finished?
2008-04-04 00:29 < Miranda> hi bishonen
2008-04-04 00:32 * fajro is away: Gone away for now.
2008-04-04 00:40 * Lycurgus scans dialogue for possible signs of intelligent worker life forms and nascient class consciousness or its opposite
2008-04-04 00:40 < Miranda> Lycurgus: you might want to try #defocus
2008-04-04 00:40 * gwern invests in the stock market. boyo, this Ownership Society seems like a great idea
2008-04-04 00:41 < Lycurgus> Hi Miranda! Checking it out now.
2008-04-04 00:43 < Lycurgus> hmmm, didn't see the relevance to anything.
2008-04-04 00:44 < Miranda> Lycurgus: it's called "general chat"
2008-04-04 00:46 < Lycurgus> that would seem to imply that this one was focues on wp and wasn't primarily general chat which is what I've observed it to be.
2008-04-04 00:46 < aliensarecoming> wp is boring
2008-04-04 00:48 < Lycurgus> completely idle chat without some grounding with people whose opinions and thinking I have no reason to consider any better than the common crowd ... (rhetorical ellipsis)
2008-04-04 00:48 < aliensarecoming> sorry massa
2008-04-04 00:48 < aliensarecoming> i go back to the shed now
2008-04-04 00:48 < Miranda> and that's why there are more people in there than in here.
2008-04-04 00:49 < Lycurgus> aliensarecoming: what's that all about?
2008-04-04 00:49 < aliensarecoming> the common crowd? isnt the common crowd what wikipedias all about
2008-04-04 00:49 < aliensarecoming> concensus not truth?
2008-04-04 00:50 < Lycurgus> yes, I can if i have an appropriate basis to do so, hold such a thing contemptible. I don't see how that is enslaving said ignorant masses. Just the opposite I should think.
2008-04-04 00:51 < aliensarecoming> hold what contemptible
2008-04-04 00:51 < aliensarecoming> the masses, the idle chat, or the process by which wikipedia determines what to write
2008-04-04 00:51 < Lycurgus> that common ground usually includes the common mindset of properly controlled population so the enslavement is within it, not in my rejection of it
2008-04-04 00:52 < aliensarecoming> yes and talk like that is acceptable if you're a freemason of considerable rank
2008-04-04 00:53 < Lycurgus> Pftt. Maybe that would have worked in the 18th century. A lot of christian bullshit tantamount to elks or rotary or something at this point.
2008-04-04 00:55 < aliensarecoming> are you saying the population should be controlled?
2008-04-04 00:55 < aliensarecoming> by a central entity?
2008-04-04 00:55 < aliensarecoming> preferably you?
2008-04-04 00:55 < Lycurgus> Binghamton had a lovely abandonded masonic lodge in the Egyption style a few blocks from the tenement I lived in there.
2008-04-04 00:56 < Lycurgus> no, by themselves. I may be able to help but prolly not.
2008-04-04 00:56 < aliensarecoming> aye, no problem here then
2008-04-04 00:59 < pengo> can someone get this SUL thing working for me?
2008-04-04 01:00 < bishonen> Hi, Miranda
2008-04-04 01:00 < Miranda> pengo: are you an admin on wikipedia or wikimedia projects?
2008-04-04 01:00 < SWATJester> Anyone available to block a troll for me?
2008-04-04 01:00 < Lycurgus> *focused
2008-04-04 01:00 < pengo> Miranda: on en, yes
2008-04-04 01:00 < aliensarecoming> an irc troll?
2008-04-04 01:01 < Miranda> pengo: you should go to Special:MergeAccount
2008-04-04 01:01 < SWATJester> no, wikipedia troll. I'd do it myself but it'd be inappropriate because he's reverting my edits.
2008-04-04 01:01 < aliensarecoming> well we cant have that
2008-04-04 01:01 < bishonen> link, SWATJester
2008-04-04 01:02 < SWATJester> [[Multicam]]
2008-04-04 01:03 < aliensarecoming> okay. someone is going to explain to me. once and for all. why people hate jews so much
2008-04-04 01:03 < SWATJester> He's removed the bit about it being in use by the military 3 times, though it's well sourced
2008-04-04 01:03 < aliensarecoming> please
2008-04-04 01:03 < aliensarecoming> i beg of you
2008-04-04 01:03 < aliensarecoming> whats the deal
2008-04-04 01:04 < SWATJester> aliensarecoming: didn't you hear? They did wtc.
2008-04-04 01:04 < SWATJester> :P
2008-04-04 01:04 < aliensarecoming> did they?
2008-04-04 01:04 < Demi> i'll never forgive them for what they did to my boy. no wait, that's klingons.
2008-04-04 01:04 < aliensarecoming> i missed it on fox news
2008-04-04 01:04 < Demi> aliensarecoming - type WTC into Word, then change the font to dingbats. you'll see the truth.
2008-04-04 01:04 < Lycurgus> aliensarecoming: maybe it's their breath.
2008-04-04 01:05 < Demi> what could possibly be filling up my disk?
2008-04-04 01:05 < aliensarecoming> thanks for all the help. next time ill go to conservapedia
2008-04-04 01:05 * Luna-San has doubts that Demi would support the Gorkon initiative
2008-04-04 01:05 < pengo> there are other pengo's on fr: and de: ... wonder if they're active..
2008-04-04 01:06 < Demi> ah, an infinitely recursive grep
2008-04-04 01:06 < Lycurgus> I don't think *most* people hate jews.
2008-04-04 01:06 < Demi> that would do it
2008-04-04 01:06 < aliensarecoming> i didnt say most
2008-04-04 01:06 < aliensarecoming> i said whats the worlds boner about hating jews
2008-04-04 01:06 < Lycurgus> no you didn't.
2008-04-04 01:07 < aliensarecoming> thats what i say now
2008-04-04 01:07 < Demi> it's because the world's boner is arabic
2008-04-04 01:07 < Lycurgus> you might rather ask the general question why is any ethnic group viewed negatively.
2008-04-04 01:07 < aliensarecoming> is it an alpha dog kind of thing
2008-04-04 01:07 < SynergeticMag> let me ask a dumb question: when did we start allowing pictures to be used as references?
2008-04-04 01:07 < aliensarecoming> no its not the same
2008-04-04 01:07 < aliensarecoming> jews are different
2008-04-04 01:07 < aliensarecoming> the whole deal makes no sense
2008-04-04 01:08 < Demi> even jews hate jews!
2008-04-04 01:08 < aliensarecoming> what did they do
2008-04-04 01:08 < Lycurgus> the jews just get more attention because they're a highly accomplished group, concentrated in areas that are hot spots (us and isreal) and otherwise spread out and thus the catching the flack than any group in that position would.
2008-04-04 01:08 < SynergeticMag> SWATJester: i say, let me ask a dumb question: when did we start allowing pictures to be used as references?
2008-04-04 01:09 < ggreer> SynergeticMag: when blindness was cured?
2008-04-04 01:09 < pengo> SynergeticMag: example?
2008-04-04 01:09 < SynergeticMag> the first three references in the multicam article you just provided
2008-04-04 01:09 < Lycurgus> that and the extent to which they hold themselves seperate and are intolerant of and refuse to assimilated into cultures they enter are a natural formula for the observered phenomenon, i.e. antii-semitism.
2008-04-04 01:10 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiCam
2008-04-04 01:10 < SWATJester> SynergisticMag: I'm not aware that they're disallowed.
2008-04-04 01:10 < SynergeticMag> :/
2008-04-04 01:10 < aliensarecoming> oh. okay
2008-04-04 01:10 < aliensarecoming> good enough for tonight
2008-04-04 01:10 < aliensarecoming> thanks
2008-04-04 01:10 * SynergeticMag scratches head
2008-04-04 01:10 < SWATJester> I didn't see anything about them in WP:NOR or WP:RS
2008-04-04 01:10 < aliensarecoming> but blacks hardly assimilate either
2008-04-04 01:11 < SynergeticMag> well generally, if i quoted a tree, it also doesnt specify that in NOW or RS either
2008-04-04 01:11 < aliensarecoming> o rite! we hate blacks too
2008-04-04 01:11 < SynergeticMag> but i cant use them
2008-04-04 01:11 < aliensarecoming> im dumb
2008-04-04 01:11 < bishonen> aliensarecoming: stop trolling the channel please. this is #wikipedia. your questions are irrelevant and provocative.
2008-04-04 01:11 < Luna-San> http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/196636,malaysian-woman-sues-husband-over-lost-virginity.html
2008-04-04 01:11 < SynergeticMag> since they arent reference
2008-04-04 01:11 < SynergeticMag> s
2008-04-04 01:11 < bishonen> and dumb, yeah.
2008-04-04 01:11 < aliensarecoming> whos trolling now
2008-04-04 01:11 < bishonen> you are
2008-04-04 01:11 < aliensarecoming> personal attack
2008-04-04 01:11 < aliensarecoming> you turned my sarcasm into hate
2008-04-04 01:12 < bishonen> haha. good one.
2008-04-04 01:12 < aliensarecoming> i wasnt trolling. i was talking about anti-semitism
2008-04-04 01:12 < SWATJester> SynergeticMag: If the sentence being referenced is something like "X is in use by the army", a picture of the army using X, hosted on a n army.mil server, should suffice by any reasonable standard
2008-04-04 01:12 < pengo> SynergeticMag: well, ignore all rules and all that
2008-04-04 01:12 < aliensarecoming> and made a satiric remark about hating blacks
2008-04-04 01:12 < SWATJester> and I'm not aware of anything that says that it doesn't.
2008-04-04 01:13 < bishonen> aliensarecoming: would you rather chat with an op?
2008-04-04 01:13 < aliensarecoming> i was chatting with an op
2008-04-04 01:13 < SynergeticMag> SWATJester: and where does it say its allowed?
2008-04-04 01:13 < aliensarecoming> he agreed. people do hate jews
2008-04-04 01:13 < aliensarecoming> he told me why
2008-04-04 01:13 < aliensarecoming> you did nothing
2008-04-04 01:13 < bishonen> sigh. op, please?
2008-04-04 01:13 < aliensarecoming> you stroked your e-dick
2008-04-04 01:14 < Luna-San> aliensarecoming: That's quite enough
2008-04-04 01:14 * bishonen looks for her e-dick. is confused.
2008-04-04 01:14 < pengo> SynergeticMag: the first photo link doesn't work for me
2008-04-04 01:14 < SWATJester> SynergeticMag: it's implied within WP:V. Since WP:V does not define what constitutes a source, etc.
2008-04-04 01:14 < SynergeticMag> oh jesus
2008-04-04 01:14 < Demi> the image i see in the citations section is from photobucket
2008-04-04 01:14 < aliensarecoming> tellher off the mighty high horse of IRC Police
2008-04-04 01:14 < SynergeticMag> pengo: then remove it
2008-04-04 01:14 < pengo> SynergeticMag: you're the one complaining
2008-04-04 01:14 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-04 01:15 < SynergeticMag> its not a complaint really, just questions
2008-04-04 01:15 < SynergeticMag> its the discussion before the removal
2008-04-04 01:15 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-04-04 01:15 < SWATJester> SynergeticMag: also, WP:NOR specifically allows images.
2008-04-04 01:15 < pengo> SynergeticMag: i dont think linking directly to an image is ideal, but it seems to suffice in this case
2008-04-04 01:15 < Lycurgus> someday I'll come into a channel and it'll be like a 100 kangaroos boxing
2008-04-04 01:16 < pengo> except for the broken link
2008-04-04 01:16 < SynergeticMag> pengo: true, if it were an external link, but this is being used as a reference
2008-04-04 01:16 < Demi> does it? how is photobucket any better as a source than, say, a serviceman's blog?
2008-04-04 01:16 < SWATJester> Actually, according to WP:NOR, pictures are acceptable as sources
2008-04-04 01:16 < SynergeticMag> well let me go check
2008-04-04 01:17 < SynergeticMag> actually, which section
2008-04-04 01:17 < aliensarecoming> who interprets what information the pictures satisfactorily convey?
2008-04-04 01:17 < SynergeticMag> it would make it easier
2008-04-04 01:17 < pengo> SynergeticMag: "multicam is used in this video game" and then there's a link to a photo of it as a reference.. makes sense
2008-04-04 01:17 < SWATJester> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Original_images
2008-04-04 01:17 < pengo> SynergeticMag: not ideal, but better than no reference
2008-04-04 01:17 < Demi> a photo without context is not useful; this pattern has presumably been photographed through all kinds of phases of trials and demonstrations.
2008-04-04 01:17 < SWATJester> wrong section
2008-04-04 01:17 < SWATJester> sorry
2008-04-04 01:17 < SWATJester> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources
2008-04-04 01:17 < SWATJester> under primary sources
2008-04-04 01:17 < Demi> there's nothing in those photographs that support the assertion that the pattern is in use by the U.S. Army.
2008-04-04 01:18 < SWATJester> Demi: the photographs are from army.mil and are of soldiers from 75th Ranger Regiment
2008-04-04 01:18 < SynergeticMag> Demi: i tend to agree here, i dont think a photo can be used
2008-04-04 01:18 < SynergeticMag> SWATJester: yeah? and how do we know this?
2008-04-04 01:18 < SynergeticMag> by you telling us of course
2008-04-04 01:18 < Demi> one photograph is "from army.mil", the rest are from photobucket; and they don't say anything like that
2008-04-04 01:19 < SWATJester> Or by looking at it
2008-04-04 01:19 < SWATJester> Demi: They are wearing identification
2008-04-04 01:19 < Demi> and who cares, anyway? i just told you that a photograph without context supports nothing.
2008-04-04 01:19 < pengo> SynergeticMag: probably worth bringing it up on the talk page
2008-04-04 01:19 < aliensarecoming> as photoshopping gets better, allowing images as sources will fall apart
2008-04-04 01:19 < SynergeticMag> i'm bringing it up here, right now, to talk about, i don't have to bring this to the talk page
2008-04-04 01:19 < Demi> i'm sure you could photograph a ranger in front of an old dodge dart, too, and it would be genuine, and even hosted at .mil, but it doesn't mean "dodge darts are in use by the u.s. military"
2008-04-04 01:20 < Demi> i'm not saying the thing is false, i'd be surprised if it was, but the "sources" don't support the assertion.
2008-04-04 01:20 < SynergeticMag> come to think about it, the majority of the references are pictures Demi
2008-04-04 01:20 < SWATJester> Demi: but if the ranger is driving the dodge dart.
2008-04-04 01:20 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-04 01:20 < SWATJester> Then it is correct to say that dodge darts are in use by the US military
2008-04-04 01:20 < SWATJester> and in this case, he's wearing the camoflauge i.e. actively using it
2008-04-04 01:21 < SynergeticMag> SWATJester: you got 3rd party sources?
2008-04-04 01:21 < SynergeticMag> besides the pics
2008-04-04 01:21 < SynergeticMag> as it were
2008-04-04 01:21 < Demi> in any case, like i said, a photograph without provenance or context supports nothing.
2008-04-04 01:21 < SWATJester> SynergeticMag: I do, but they're OR at the moment.
2008-04-04 01:21 < SynergeticMag> i might take thist to AfD tonight
2008-04-04 01:21 < SynergeticMag> brb
2008-04-04 01:21 < SynergeticMag> -t
2008-04-04 01:21 < SynergeticMag> brb
2008-04-04 01:21 < SWATJester> One of which being my own eyes having seen guys from 5th SFG in multicam
2008-04-04 01:22 < SWATJester> uh. AFD on multicam? Srsly?
2008-04-04 01:22 < Demi> right, well verifiability demands that the reader not care what you've seen.
2008-04-04 01:22 < SWATJester> Demi: They can verify it via the picture
2008-04-04 01:22 < Demi> AFD? don't be silly. the idea is to decide how better to support the article.
2008-04-04 01:22 < Demi> you cannot verify anything with a picture that has no context or provenance.
2008-04-04 01:22 < Lycurgus> only if they trust the image is real
2008-04-04 01:23 < SWATJester> Except it does have context and provenance
2008-04-04 01:23 < Demi> "real" isn't the point.
2008-04-04 01:23 < Lycurgus> i.e. an image of a "real" event
2008-04-04 01:23 < Demi> ah, then link to that, not just the picture
2008-04-04 01:23 < SWATJester> The context is within the picture.
2008-04-04 01:23 < The359> what is the image of exactly?
2008-04-04 01:23 * Demi shakes head
2008-04-04 01:23 < Lycurgus> not one created by the image
2008-04-04 01:23 < The359> A uniformed officer beside a Dart?
2008-04-04 01:23 < SynergeticMag> it may be real, it may be garbage, but where are the REAL references here?
2008-04-04 01:23 < Demi> The359 - we're talking about the citations for "It is currently in use by some units of the US military's Special Operations Command," in [[MultiCam]]
2008-04-04 01:24 < SynergeticMag> if its not needed, i dont see why it cant go to AfD
2008-04-04 01:24 < Demi> you can take a "real" picture but that doesn't mean it supports anythingin particular
2008-04-04 01:24 < aliensarecoming> a soldier off duty is not "the us military"
2008-04-04 01:24 < SWATJester> Synergetic: Because a quick google check shows you nearly 1 million hits for multicam. It's obviously a highly notable camoflauge pattern.
2008-04-04 01:25 < SynergeticMag> ok, then source it
2008-04-04 01:25 < SynergeticMag> without pics
2008-04-04 01:25 < SWATJester> demi: that picture comes from a military exercise at Natick Test Center
2008-04-04 01:25 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Moon_Crescent_-_False_Color_Mosaic.jpg Too much LSD...
2008-04-04 01:25 < SynergeticMag> hah
2008-04-04 01:25 < Luna-San> Oh, dear. My parents got a Wii.
2008-04-04 01:25 < Demi> SWATJester - right, so that documentation would improve the reference
2008-04-04 01:25 < SWATJester> The test itself is around and sourceable, however the multicam was a small part of the test
2008-04-04 01:25 < The359> wouldn't the fact that the uniform is being used at a Test Center possibly imply that the camo is being used on a testing basis, and not on active duty?
2008-04-04 01:26 < SWATJester> and is not referenced in the test
2008-04-04 01:26 < Demi> ah,
2008-04-04 01:26 < SWATJester> The359: SOCOM is the ones doing the testing.
2008-04-04 01:26 < SWATJester> demi: except for the picture.
2008-04-04 01:26 < Demi> and, that doesn't tell us whether it's an evaluation or not
2008-04-04 01:26 < SWATJester> It doesn't matter whether it's an evaluation or not.
2008-04-04 01:26 < Demi> sure it does
2008-04-04 01:26 < The359> it changes what you can say about it
2008-04-04 01:26 < SWATJester> the sentence doesn't say "combat units"
2008-04-04 01:26 < SWATJester> It just says "In use by SOCOM". Without defining for what purposes.
2008-04-04 01:26 < Demi> unless you want to support the statement "it has been tested by the u.s. military"
2008-04-04 01:27 < The359> Then your statement is vague
2008-04-04 01:27 < The359> and gives a false impression
2008-04-04 01:27 * SynergeticMag is enjoying the conversation
2008-04-04 01:27 < SWATJester> the statement is accurate
2008-04-04 01:27 < SynergeticMag> this is what a conversation should be like in here mind you
2008-04-04 01:27 < tobago> i hate the yankees
2008-04-04 01:27 < SynergeticMag> actually "talking" about wikipedia
2008-04-04 01:28 < tobago> i hate them i hate them
2008-04-04 01:28 < Demi> i disagree. a (technology/pattern/piece of equipment) that is tested and rejected is not "in use." and there's no way to distinguish, from the "source" between in use or not.
2008-04-04 01:28 < Demi> if all you want to support is that it was tested, then that's what ought to be said.
2008-04-04 01:29 < SWATJester> You have to use it to test it.
2008-04-04 01:29 < Lycurgus> tobago sounds disgruntled
2008-04-04 01:29 < The359> if it was a training exercise, could it not have been a distinguishing camo designed to represent an enemy?
2008-04-04 01:29 < tobago> what on earth did they do with a dodge dart?
2008-04-04 01:29 < SWATJester> And beyond that, SOCOM is free to procure however they want
2008-04-04 01:29 < Demi> that's honestly kind of silly
2008-04-04 01:31 < SynergeticMag> hmmm
2008-04-04 01:31 < tobago> send it to arbcom
2008-04-04 01:31 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-04 01:31 < tobago> lets talk about the yankees
2008-04-04 01:31 < SynergeticMag> rejected
2008-04-04 01:31 < SynergeticMag> jpgordon told me it was rejected
2008-04-04 01:31 < SynergeticMag> so no way
2008-04-04 01:32 < SWATJester> fuck the yankees
2008-04-04 01:32 < SynergeticMag> wait wait wait
2008-04-04 01:32 < tobago> woot
2008-04-04 01:32 < SynergeticMag> the first reference is selling something
2008-04-04 01:32 < tobago> amen /b/rotha
2008-04-04 01:32 < SynergeticMag> thats spam
2008-04-04 01:33 < SynergeticMag> reference removed
2008-04-04 01:34 < Demi> http://armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=31816 <- this board is sort of interesting, in particular the quoted letter from crye
2008-04-04 01:34 < Demi> maybe a press release from the company would be an improvement
2008-04-04 01:35 < SynergeticMag> maybe
2008-04-04 01:35 < SynergeticMag> it should
2008-04-04 01:35 < Demi> anyway, night all, an especially good night to bishonen
2008-04-04 01:35 * Demi &
2008-04-04 01:36 < SWATJester> yeah, except we can't use it because its a forum
2008-04-04 01:36 < SynergeticMag> night Demi
2008-04-04 01:37 < SynergeticMag> ok, i've cleaned it up enough
2008-04-04 01:37 < SynergeticMag> now go find real references
2008-04-04 01:40 < tobago> what's it like 90% of google users don't look past the first page? how do thye keep the top ten from reinforcing themselves indefinitely?
2008-04-04 01:41 < SynergeticMag> idk, i look past the first page
2008-04-04 01:41 < SynergeticMag> unless theres like, 30 pages
2008-04-04 01:41 < tobago> how often?
2008-04-04 01:41 < SynergeticMag> all the time
2008-04-04 01:41 < tobago> 9/10 searches?
2008-04-04 01:42 < SynergeticMag> i don't go "all" the way through
2008-04-04 01:42 < SWATJester> don't the top 10 entries reinforce themselves anyway
2008-04-04 01:42 < tobago> hah well thats because youre looking for information in general
2008-04-04 01:42 < tobago> for wikipedia
2008-04-04 01:42 < tobago> most people want something specific
2008-04-04 01:42 < SynergeticMag> yeah, to determine whether the links are of use or not
2008-04-04 01:43 < SynergeticMag> its how i found out this one candidate for the socialist party was an ex republican,and the editors for the article weren't adding the info
2008-04-04 01:43 < SynergeticMag> because it would look like a scandal
2008-04-04 01:43 < SynergeticMag> and he's running in 08
2008-04-04 01:43 < tobago> i searched for an animal a few weeks ago, 300000 hits. top result was the wikipedia page (per usual)
2008-04-04 01:43 < tobago> except
2008-04-04 01:44 < SynergeticMag> my info was found past the first page
2008-04-04 01:44 < tobago> there was no wikipedia page
2008-04-04 01:44 < tobago> it was a red link
2008-04-04 01:44 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-04 01:44 < SynergeticMag> then make it
2008-04-04 01:44 < tobago> the top google search was an invitation to start the wikipedia page
2008-04-04 01:44 < tobago> below it. national geographic, time
2008-04-04 01:44 < tobago> others
2008-04-04 01:44 < SynergeticMag> thats not a bad way to create pages
2008-04-04 01:44 < tobago> whats that tell you about how google weights wikipedia
2008-04-04 01:44 < Luna-San> tobago: Heh, that's pretty bad. XD
2008-04-04 01:45 < tobago> ive only seen it happen once
2008-04-04 01:45 < tobago> if i see it again
2008-04-04 01:45 < tobago> im makin a tizzy
2008-04-04 02:45 < me9374> hello?
2008-04-04 02:46 < nokmar> impatient
2008-04-04 03:04 < Luna-San> hello?
2008-04-04 03:06 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> MISTAH SHEFFIELD
2008-04-04 03:27 < Lubaf> http://nothired.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/bbc_skank_ho.gif <- Another item to add to your "How not to get hired" list...
2008-04-04 03:28 < mavhc> old
2008-04-04 03:52 < Lubaf> mavhc: How old?
2008-04-04 03:52 < Lubaf> And why is the channel dead tonight?
2008-04-04 03:52 < Lubaf> I mean, you never see this level of inactivity except on a Sunday.
2008-04-04 03:53 < AdamBishop> everyone is hiding from you
2008-04-04 03:53 < Lubaf> AdamBishop: Insufficient explanation.
2008-04-04 03:54 < Lubaf> People have ignored me, but I'm not the type to cause fear in others.
2008-04-04 03:54 < Lubaf> Other than fear of a bad joke, of course.
2008-04-04 04:02 < SynergeticMag> dead?
2008-04-04 04:14 < Chetblong> how do i list the invite exemption list on a channel?
2008-04-04 04:34 < Lubaf> SynergeticMag: Given that half an hour has passed with only one line between yours and this one, I'd say this channel is pretty dead.
2008-04-04 04:36 < SynergeticMag> Lubaf: nah
2008-04-04 04:37 < SynergeticMag> they're just asleep
2008-04-04 04:37 < SynergeticMag> earlier we were actually talking about wikipedia
2008-04-04 04:38 < Mike_H> oh my God
2008-04-04 04:38 < Mike_H> I am SO HAPPY right now
2008-04-04 04:38 < Mike_H> I found LOVE BOAT clips on YouTube
2008-04-04 04:38 < Mike_H> oh my God
2008-04-04 04:38 < Mike_H> I'm gonna die
2008-04-04 04:38 < Lubaf> SynergeticMag: That, if it had happened, would've been more than an hour ago.
2008-04-04 04:38 < Mike_H> of happiness
2008-04-04 04:38 < Lubaf> Mike_H: Eat Gopher and die.
2008-04-04 04:38 < mavhc> Lubaf: I'll guess 2002
2008-04-04 04:38 < SynergeticMag> ick, i hate that show
2008-04-04 04:38 < Mike_H> Lubaf: I'll eat Gopher if you drown Vicki.
2008-04-04 04:38 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-04 04:39 * SynergeticMag found his favorite authors video footage on his death bed just now
2008-04-04 04:39 < SynergeticMag> its sickly
2008-04-04 04:40 < Mike_H> SynergeticMag: I know what will cheer you up
2008-04-04 04:40 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icAwcByaNtY
2008-04-04 04:40 < Lubaf> SynergeticMag: It's a trap!
2008-04-04 04:40 < SynergeticMag> that
2008-04-04 04:40 < Mike_H> No, it isn't
2008-04-04 04:40 < Mike_H> it's an open smile
2008-04-04 04:40 < SynergeticMag> is the last time i trust a link from u
2008-04-04 04:40 < Mike_H> on a FRIENDLY SHOREEEEEEEEE
2008-04-04 04:40 < Chetblong> hahaha
2008-04-04 04:40 < SynergeticMag> fucker
2008-04-04 04:41 < bumm13> :/
2008-04-04 04:41 < Mike_H> SynergeticMag: Now, that's not Pacific Princess language!
2008-04-04 04:41 < SynergeticMag> bah
2008-04-04 04:41 < SynergeticMag> neither is trickery
2008-04-04 04:41 < SynergeticMag> princess?
2008-04-04 04:41 < SynergeticMag> i'm male!
2008-04-04 04:41 < Mike_H> bumm13: I linked him to a clip from The Love Boat
2008-04-04 04:41 < Mike_H> SynergeticMag: It's the name of the damn ship
2008-04-04 04:41 < Mike_H> get with it
2008-04-04 04:41 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-04 04:42 < SynergeticMag> ah
2008-04-04 04:42 < SynergeticMag> man
2008-04-04 04:42 < SynergeticMag> i havent seen that show in 20 years
2008-04-04 04:42 < Mike_H> I haven't seen it in 20 seconds.
2008-04-04 04:42 < Lubaf> What's next? Charlie's Angels?
2008-04-04 04:43 < Lubaf> Starsky and Hutch?
2008-04-04 04:43 < SynergeticMag> i hope you get sea sick
2008-04-04 04:43 < bumm13> I vaguely remember The Love Boat still being on TV when I was really little
2008-04-04 04:43 < Mike_H> Lubaf: No, those shows suck
2008-04-04 04:43 < Mike_H> The Love Boat is actually good.
2008-04-04 04:43 < SynergeticMag> bumm13: please do not contribute to a conversation leaning toward the love boat
2008-04-04 04:43 < SynergeticMag> for gods sake
2008-04-04 04:43 < bumm13> it seems like our TV was planted on ABC a lot in the evening back then (1983-ish)
2008-04-04 04:43 < bumm13> SynergeticMag: hush :P
2008-04-04 04:44 < Mike_H> bumm13: Well, that would be about right
2008-04-04 04:44 * SynergeticMag goes back into hiding
2008-04-04 04:44 < Mike_H> it was on the air for nine years.
2008-04-04 04:44 < bumm13> it's typical Aaron Spelling
2008-04-04 04:44 < Mike_H> 1977 to 1986
2008-04-04 04:44 < SynergeticMag> oh look, werdnabot made its first archive
2008-04-04 04:44 * SynergeticMag checks
2008-04-04 04:44 < bumm13> first?
2008-04-04 04:44 < SynergeticMag> to my talk page
2008-04-04 04:44 < Lubaf> Aaron Spelling: Crap by any other producer doesn't smell as ripped off.
2008-04-04 04:44 < bumm13> oh, heh
2008-04-04 04:45 < Mike_H> Lubaf: Well, you don't have to worry about that anymore
2008-04-04 04:45 < Mike_H> since he's dead
2008-04-04 04:45 * Lubaf hated Charmed with a white hot passion that was normally reserved for political figures.
2008-04-04 04:45 < SynergeticMag> jesus, an rfa with two co noms
2008-04-04 04:45 < Lubaf> Good god that show sucked.
2008-04-04 04:45 < Mike_H> I still think his death is karma for Tori stealing some other woman's husband, btw
2008-04-04 04:45 < bumm13> I only remember seeing CBS and NBC around 1984
2008-04-04 04:45 < Mike_H> ...and not the fact that Aaron Spelling was like
2008-04-04 04:45 < Mike_H> 153.
2008-04-04 04:45 * SynergeticMag is trying desperately to ignore these shows
2008-04-04 04:45 < AdamBishop> poor [[Mary Jo Eustace]]
2008-04-04 04:45 < Lubaf> Mike_H: No, it's karma for making Charmed.
2008-04-04 04:45 < bumm13> Tori is a hobag
2008-04-04 04:46 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: If she wasn't on The Love Boat, I don't know her.
2008-04-04 04:46 < SynergeticMag> please define hobag
2008-04-04 04:46 < Lubaf> That show was horrible beyond description.
2008-04-04 04:46 < AdamBishop> Mary Jo and Tori almost got into a fight at the MuchMusic Video Awards
2008-04-04 04:46 < Mike_H> Oh, her.
2008-04-04 04:46 < Mike_H> I didn't know her name
2008-04-04 04:46 < Mike_H> all I knew was that she was "that poor woman"
2008-04-04 04:46 < bumm13> SynergeticMag: *cough*
2008-04-04 04:46 < Mike_H> which I'm sure she gets a lot
2008-04-04 04:46 < SynergeticMag> wait wait, theres a coffee cup calling my name
2008-04-04 04:46 < Chetblong> O_O
2008-04-04 04:46 < AdamBishop> yeah she was more famous than Dean, in Canada
2008-04-04 04:46 < Chetblong> pinged me with coffee
2008-04-04 04:46 < Lubaf> Does anybody here not understand my loathing for Charmed?
2008-04-04 04:47 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: Well, here he's famous for being Donna Martin's "first."
2008-04-04 04:47 * Chetblong gets SynergeticMag to give him some coffee
2008-04-04 04:47 < Lubaf> Because I hated that show. And still do.
2008-04-04 04:47 < AdamBishop> she had a cooking show with her tiny gay co-host [[Ken Kostick]]
2008-04-04 04:47 < SynergeticMag> chetblong: don't you have secret pages up for deletion?
2008-04-04 04:47 < Chetblong> hmm?
2008-04-04 04:47 < Chetblong> oh the MFD?
2008-04-04 04:47 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: A spoiler, btw
2008-04-04 04:47 * Mike_H whispers
2008-04-04 04:47 < Lubaf> I can't think of any words to describe how godawful it was.
2008-04-04 04:47 < Mike_H> Donna Martin graduates.
2008-04-04 04:48 < SynergeticMag> yeah
2008-04-04 04:48 < Lubaf> Bad bad bad bad bad.
2008-04-04 04:48 < Chetblong> SynergeticMag: yes why?
2008-04-04 04:48 < AdamBishop> and then she married David!
2008-04-04 04:48 < Lubaf> BAD.
2008-04-04 04:48 < Lubaf> TERRIBLE.
2008-04-04 04:48 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iunYmHH0UNI
2008-04-04 04:48 < Lubaf> HORRID.
2008-04-04 04:48 < Mike_H> DONNA MARTIN GRADUATES
2008-04-04 04:48 < AdamBishop> hey speaking of nostalgia, did you know that New Kids on the Block are reuniting?
2008-04-04 04:48 < bumm13> ewww
2008-04-04 04:48 < bumm13> ewwwwwwwwww
2008-04-04 04:49 < bumm13> ick
2008-04-04 04:49 < Chetblong> ewwww
2008-04-04 04:49 < bumm13> that's horrible
2008-04-04 04:49 < Lubaf> To what end?
2008-04-04 04:49 < SynergeticMag> Chetblong: out of respect is all, i try to bring it to a users attention in case they didn't know
2008-04-04 04:49 < SynergeticMag> just checking
2008-04-04 04:49 < Lubaf> I'm trying to remember if they had more than two hits.
2008-04-04 04:49 < bumm13> nevermind that they're not, like, *kids* anymore
2008-04-04 04:49 < AdamBishop> to make money from middle aged women who loved them as children, surely
2008-04-04 04:49 < Mike_H> Aren't they like 40 now
2008-04-04 04:49 < bumm13> probably
2008-04-04 04:49 < Chetblong> SynergeticMag: I've deleted my own page already... they're worthless
2008-04-04 04:50 < SynergeticMag> NotACow: you must heat up my coffee
2008-04-04 04:50 < Chetblong> O_O
2008-04-04 04:50 < Chetblong> coffee!
2008-04-04 04:50 * Chetblong wants some
2008-04-04 04:50 < SynergeticMag> yeah and chetblongs too
2008-04-04 04:50 < Chetblong> hehe
2008-04-04 04:50 < AdamBishop> my sister has shitloads of New Kids stuff
2008-04-04 04:50 < SynergeticMag> Now NotACow! ;p
2008-04-04 04:50 < Mike_H> NotACow: DONNA MARTIN GRADUATES!
2008-04-04 04:50 < bumm13> Adam: older or younger?
2008-04-04 04:50 < SynergeticMag> :?
2008-04-04 04:51 < AdamBishop> younger
2008-04-04 04:51 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: My sisters were too old for New Kids on the Block
2008-04-04 04:51 < Mike_H> they were more in the "Wham!" demographic
2008-04-04 04:53 < AdamBishop> whatever happened to The Other Guy From Wham
2008-04-04 04:53 < bumm13> Andrew Ridgely? who knows
2008-04-04 04:53 < SynergeticMag> moby dick ate him
2008-04-04 04:53 < Mike_H> Just assume he's dead
2008-04-04 04:53 < Mike_H> like the Brady Bunch kids you never hear from again
2008-04-04 04:53 < Mike_H> like Susan Olsen
2008-04-04 04:53 < AdamBishop> ah, Ridgely. I always forget his last name
2008-04-04 04:54 < bumm13> hard to imagine ;)
2008-04-04 04:54 * SynergeticMag hands chetblong a cold cup of coffee and a few Entenmann's Donuts
2008-04-04 04:54 < Chetblong> yum
2008-04-04 04:54 * Chetblong eats
2008-04-04 04:55 < SynergeticMag> don't bother Mike_H, you don't get none
2008-04-04 04:55 < SynergeticMag> i mean
2008-04-04 04:55 < Mike_H> SynergeticMag: Whatevs.
2008-04-04 04:55 < SynergeticMag> any
2008-04-04 04:55 * SynergeticMag grumbles about evil love boat watchers
2008-04-04 04:56 < SynergeticMag> i wonder what the outcome of this MfD will be
2008-04-04 04:58 < SynergeticMag> ok we went dead again?
2008-04-04 04:58 < Chetblong> hopefully delete
2008-04-04 04:58 * Chetblong goes to close it as such XD