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2008-04-03 17:32 < Luna-San> The girl was just incredibly apathetic about everything, I think.
2008-04-03 17:32 < Working_Cat> "The model has blamed her temper on resentment of her father who abandoned her as a child."
2008-04-03 17:33 < Working_Cat> thats right...blame the parents.
2008-04-03 17:33 < Luna-San> Heh
2008-04-03 17:33 < Luna-San> Personal responsibility is so 1950s
2008-04-03 17:34 < Working_Cat> accountability is not one of the defining traits
2008-04-03 17:35 < Working_Cat> also, im sure her dad abandoned her cuz both she n her mom were rabid.
2008-04-03 17:35 < Working_Cat> <now dont start a debate over it>
2008-04-03 17:36 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryulong&curid=10736166&diff=203142490&oldid=203142372
2008-04-03 17:36 < Ceiling_Cat> :(
2008-04-03 17:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Ryulong doesn't think Sphynx cats are cute :*
2008-04-03 17:37 < gwern> Beware!
2008-04-03 17:37 < gwern> Beware the IDEs of April!
2008-04-03 17:37 < gwern> (bargle)
2008-04-03 17:37 < Warpath> ahh it ws march and you missed it
2008-04-03 17:37 < Warpath> was*
2008-04-03 17:38 < Working_Cat> the APIs of May?
2008-04-03 17:38 < cimon> gwern, the Ides of April is a day after my fifth anniversary as a wikipedian...
2008-04-03 17:39 < cimon> maybe the Nones of April would be more auspiscious...
2008-04-03 17:39 * Ceiling_Cat shaves Working_Cat bald
2008-04-03 17:39 * Ceiling_Cat huggles hairless Working_Cat
2008-04-03 17:39 < Working_Cat> bald pussy!
2008-04-03 17:39 < cimon> or was it the other way, were the Nones lucky or unlucky?
2008-04-03 17:39 * Working_Cat huggles back... with his claws
2008-04-03 17:39 * Ceiling_Cat throws a freshly shaven pussy at gwern
2008-04-03 17:39 < gwern> Working_Cat: remember mortal, thou art turing-complete!
2008-04-03 17:40 < Working_Cat> gwern: my ex said i am NP complete
2008-04-03 17:40 * gwern catches and cuddles. If only it was a beaver .....I have a river that needs damning
2008-04-03 17:40 < cimon> gwern: There is an interesting play written in Finland, on the life of Turing.
2008-04-03 17:40 < cimon> Getting its premiere just now.
2008-04-03 17:40 < gwern> cimon: did it have him crossdressing as Snow White?
2008-04-03 17:41 * Working_Cat can haz fur?
2008-04-03 17:41 < cimon> gwern, no, but they do build a very rudimentary turing engine using green apples as bits on stage...
2008-04-03 17:41 < Leslie_S> i wore eyeliner to work :) and got away with ity
2008-04-03 17:41 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat did you know?
2008-04-03 17:42 < gwern> cimon: that's... that's silly?
2008-04-03 17:42 < White_Cat> The Ceiling is primarly inhabited by magesticaly sized rats
2008-04-03 17:42 < cimon> gwern: and the whole play is centered around his homosexuality...
2008-04-03 17:42 < cimon> gwern: it is all about the apples... including his last one.
2008-04-03 17:42 < cimon> And the tree of knowledge...
2008-04-03 17:42 < gwern> I still think godel said it best
2008-04-03 17:43 < gwern> he said he thought Alan was unhappy because he wanted to get married but couldn't
2008-04-03 17:43 < Working_Cat> heh, for a moment there i confused turing and chomsky
2008-04-03 17:43 < Working_Cat> just one fleeting moment.
2008-04-03 17:43 < gwern> which is either an extraordinarily naive thing for godel to've said, or deeply insightful
2008-04-03 17:44 < Working_Cat> what was godel good for?
2008-04-03 17:44 < gwern> Working_Cat: destroying dreams.
2008-04-03 17:44 < Working_Cat> what did he do
2008-04-03 17:44 < cimon> heh
2008-04-03 17:45 < gwern> on the other hand, the optimistic interpretation is he guaranteed employment for mathematicians forever
2008-04-03 17:45 < gwern> a bit of a faustian bargain
2008-04-03 17:45 * Mike_H serenades cimon with some Andy Gibb
2008-04-03 17:45 < cimon> I remember a science fiction story that attributed to Gödel a method of infinitely efficient data compression by representing things as factorialisations of compound numbers into their primes...
2008-04-03 17:46 < Working_Cat> gwern: did he just prove that somethings are impossible to do using a computer?
2008-04-03 17:46 < gwern> Working_Cat: not really.
2008-04-03 17:46 < Working_Cat> In mathematical logic, Gödel's incompleteness theorems, proved by Kurt Gödel in 1931, are two theorems stating inherent limitations of all but the most trivial formal systems for arithmetic of mathematical interest.
2008-04-03 17:46 < cimon> and finding a shorter expression of that compound number using sums of highly exponentialized numbers...
2008-04-03 17:47 < gwern> Working_Cat: my advice is to ignore anything detailed anybody says about godel until you spend several weeks reading up on matters
2008-04-03 17:47 < geniice> Working_Cat he showed that some things are true but imposible to prove as true
2008-04-03 17:47 < gwern> and especially if the person is discussing philosophy
2008-04-03 17:47 < geniice> within maths that is
2008-04-03 17:47 < geniice> so far this does not appear to have presented a problem
2008-04-03 17:47 < gwern> philosophers love godel, but they IMHO screw things up all the time, and this is doubly true when the discussion is of AI
2008-04-03 17:48 < Working_Cat> gwern: i'd rather default to my "i have no idea who godel is" stance.
2008-04-03 17:48 < cimon> I kind of like to think of Gödel and Erdös as two sides of the coin (besides having the Heavy Metal Umlaut)
2008-04-03 17:48 < gwern> (there's one particularly egregrious philosopher who should be fired for his abuse of godel, but I won't name names)
2008-04-03 17:48 < cimon> Erdös was all about stuff that can be done, and Gödel was all about limitations...
2008-04-03 17:48 * Ceiling_Cat looks for someone to cuddle
2008-04-03 17:49 * Working_Cat does not like cuddling without fur
2008-04-03 17:49 < cimon> but of course that is a very coarse evaluation...
2008-04-03 17:49 < geniice> But can anyone produce a case where godel's limitations have pevented us from doing something
2008-04-03 17:49 * Ceiling_Cat pets Working_Cat, the bald pussy
2008-04-03 17:49 < Ceiling_Cat> Aha!
2008-04-03 17:49 * Ceiling_Cat cuddles with Not_the_NSA
2008-04-03 17:49 * Working_Cat cries and leaves
2008-04-03 17:49 < cimon> geniice, you read about how somebody has taken a crack at the Riemann thing...
2008-04-03 17:49 < gwern> when I said he guaranteed employment, you can take that as meaning there's no way to mechanize mathematics in a completely satisfactory way; the various logical systems all have tradeoffs, and so you'll need human mathematicians to at least evaluate the tradeoffs, if not for actually doing stuff in the systems or devising new systems
2008-04-03 17:50 < cimon> (a 150 year old uncrackable nut of math)
2008-04-03 17:50 < geniice> cimon no one has managed to prove the Riemann hypothosis unsolveable
2008-04-03 17:50 * Not_the_NSA O_O's Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-03 17:50 < ijustam> questoin
2008-04-03 17:50 < ijustam> in TW
2008-04-03 17:50 < ijustam> what is [rollback (AGF)] ?
2008-04-03 17:50 < cimon> I wonder what the current equivalent of the Fermat is at the moment, Riemann or Goldbach?
2008-04-03 17:50 < ijustam> AGF specifically
2008-04-03 17:51 < gwern> yeah, but it really looks like it'd be independent
2008-04-03 17:51 * gwern go dinner now
2008-04-03 17:51 < nsh> i think it's fermat.
2008-04-03 17:51 < ijustam> oh nm, found it out
2008-04-03 17:52 < nsh> Riemann's hypothesis is the freakin' holy grail of mathphysics
2008-04-03 17:52 < geniice> nsh well the number theory elements anyway
2008-04-03 17:52 < nsh> no
2008-04-03 17:52 < nsh> mathphysics
2008-04-03 17:52 < nsh> all of mathematics and physics
2008-04-03 17:53 < nsh> this will not make sense without some familiarity with the strange parallel's between the behaviour of the riemann zeta function and the interaction of physical objects
2008-04-03 17:53 < nsh> *parallels
2008-04-03 17:54 < White_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
2008-04-03 17:54 < nsh> but as i don't think the notion of "proof" is fundamental enough to solve the riemann hypothesis, i don't expect it to be proven anytime soon
2008-04-03 17:54 < cimon> nsh: I have to admit, I still have a deep disquiet about the geometrization of space, particularly in the manner how gravity is handled.
2008-04-03 17:55 * nsh too
2008-04-03 17:55 < nsh> i have a similar, if not deeper disquiet about the almost universal acceptance of the notions of dark matter and energy
2008-04-03 17:56 < nsh> but i'm not a specialist so what do i know
2008-04-03 17:56 < cimon> yes... things without a clear referent
2008-04-03 17:56 < cimon> same as zero point energy...
2008-04-03 17:56 < cimon> and vacuum pressure
2008-04-03 17:57 < nsh> or the statistical interpretation of the schrodinger wavefunction
2008-04-03 17:57 < cimon> yes
2008-04-03 17:58 < yao_ziyuan> me so stupid
2008-04-03 17:58 < cimon> I would prefer a dynamic model that basically said there are widgets there, but we simply haven't got the instrumentation to establish something as fine as that...
2008-04-03 17:58 < yao_ziyuan> this thing called wikipedia indeed needs no promtion
2008-04-03 17:58 < yao_ziyuan> because whenever you enter a concept in google,
2008-04-03 17:58 < yao_ziyuan> the first result is most likely from wikipedia
2008-04-03 18:00 * Mike_H NP: Mariah Carey - Honey (1997)
2008-04-03 18:00 < nsh> i get the feeling that scale relativity theory is on the right lines
2008-04-03 18:02 < yao_ziyuan> Glory, Glory Wikipedia
2008-04-03 18:03 < nsh> sometimes i wonder if the postmodern movement was not the influence of a latter-day jehovah acting in response to 20th century babelism
2008-04-03 18:03 < yao_ziyuan> Glory, Glory Wikipedia
2008-04-03 18:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Get ready for some chocolate pain, bitch
2008-04-03 18:07 < Leslie_S> nsh Jehovah doesnt exist, and never has.
2008-04-03 18:07 < Leslie_S> and thats really a name that i never want to EVER EVER EVER EVER hear again. :(
2008-04-03 18:08 < Leslie_S> especially if "witness" is in the same sentence.
2008-04-03 18:08 < Leslie_S> I'm going to start punching people in the face if i ever hear those two words used in the same sentence!
2008-04-03 18:09 < nsh> shh
2008-04-03 18:09 < Leslie_S> Atleast i never have to deal with them, ever again.
2008-04-03 18:09 < Leslie_S> :D
2008-04-03 18:09 < nsh> don't be so sure
2008-04-03 18:09 < nsh> they could pop out when you least expect them
2008-04-03 18:10 < Leslie_S> nsh: Its one thing if they knock on my door. It's another if i'm actually going to kingdom hall or hanging out with them.
2008-04-03 18:10 < Leslie_S> but
2008-04-03 18:10 < Leslie_S> i just cannot stand that religion
2008-04-03 18:10 < Leslie_S> it is the stupidest religion ever.
2008-04-03 18:10 < Leslie_S> they are anti-commonsense
2008-04-03 18:11 < Leslie_S> anti-thinking
2008-04-03 18:11 < Leslie_S> and i literally live like 2 miles away from a kingdom hall, ;/
2008-04-03 18:11 < nsh> and anti blood
2008-04-03 18:11 < Leslie_S> theyre also anti social
2008-04-03 18:11 < nsh> think of all the extra blood for you though
2008-04-03 18:12 < Leslie_S> nsh I really could go without the blood.
2008-04-03 18:12 < Leslie_S> I don't even really eat red meat.
2008-04-03 18:12 < Leslie_S> I pretty much eat red meat in the form of thin deli sliced roast beef, which is yummy.
2008-04-03 18:13 < Leslie_S> infact, now that i live on my own, i am definitely never eating it in any other form again.
2008-04-03 18:14 < Leslie_S> I want to go vegetarian but i dont like vegetables.
2008-04-03 18:14 < Leslie_S> see an issue with this?
2008-04-03 18:15 < Messedrocker> http://voice-of-resolution.blogspot.com/
2008-04-03 18:21 < ThePolecat> Nobody is to stone anybody until I blow this whistle.
2008-04-03 18:22 < Lucifer_Cat> meow?
2008-04-03 18:28 * ThePolecat reads about Isadora Duncan's spectacular demise
2008-04-03 18:28 * Cream pokes ThePolecat
2008-04-03 18:28 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-04-03 18:29 * Cream gives catnip to Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-03 18:29 < ThePolecat> Herring is good. Cream is better. How good it must be to have herring with cream!
2008-04-03 18:29 * Ceiling_Cat watches
2008-04-03 18:35 * WilliamH_UK has tarted up his userpage
2008-04-03 18:36 < Mike_H> have you really.
2008-04-03 18:36 < Mike_H> link.
2008-04-03 18:36 < WilliamH_UK> my autograph book is a bit lonely so any entries would be welcomed
2008-04-03 18:36 < WilliamH_UK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WilliamH
2008-04-03 18:38 * nsh- wonders if WilliamH_UK has a family coat of arms
2008-04-03 18:38 < nsh-> and attended public school
2008-04-03 18:38 < Mike_H> <Rjd0060> Last call for [[List of US governors with facial hair]] before I delete it :P
2008-04-03 18:38 < WilliamH_UK> why
2008-04-03 18:38 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Rjd0060: Is Ruth Ann Minner on that list?
2008-04-03 18:38 < nsh-> just a feelin'
2008-04-03 18:39 < WilliamH_UK> nsh-: no and no
2008-04-03 18:39 < nsh-> ah well
2008-04-03 18:39 < nsh-> you're still cool
2008-04-03 18:39 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: I figured you'd like that
2008-04-03 18:43 < WilliamH_UK> la la la
2008-04-03 18:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - amusing
2008-04-03 18:44 < WilliamH_UK> hi CC
2008-04-03 18:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Hello WilliamH_UK
2008-04-03 18:44 < Lucifer_Cat> * Delete Pointless distinction. What;s next? Governors with pubic hair? Edison (talk) 03:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-04-03 18:44 < Lucifer_Cat> * Comment List of current Brazilian Governors with Brazilians. Go ahead. I dare you. --Dhartung | Talk 04:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-04-03 18:44 < Lucifer_Cat> i lol'd
2008-04-03 18:44 < WilliamH_UK> LOL
2008-04-03 18:45 * WilliamH_UK is indeed, lolling
2008-04-03 18:45 < Lucifer_Cat> i lol'd pretty loudly.
2008-04-03 18:45 < Mike_H> <Lucifer_Cat> * Delete Pointless distinction. What;s next? Governors with pubic hair? Edison (talk) 03:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-04-03 18:45 < Mike_H> Is Ruth Ann Minner on that list?
2008-04-03 18:45 < WilliamH_UK> List of Goats with Goatees
2008-04-03 18:45 < WilliamH_UK> ?
2008-04-03 18:45 < Lucifer_Cat> WilliamH_Cat: List of goats with goatses
2008-04-03 18:46 < WilliamH_UK> ew
2008-04-03 18:48 * Lucifer_Cat *shrugs*
2008-04-03 18:48 < Lucifer_Cat> Mike_H: i added a list on uncyc... shes on that list now.
2008-04-03 18:48 < The359> List of governors with assholes
2008-04-03 18:49 < WilliamH_UK> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339270,00.html
2008-04-03 18:49 < Ceiling_Cat> W.... T.... F....
2008-04-03 18:50 < Lucifer_Cat> old story
2008-04-03 18:51 < Xihix> awesome, a new anus.
2008-04-03 18:51 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.kcci.com/news/15762329/detail.html?rss=des&psp=irresistible
2008-04-03 18:51 < Ceiling_Cat> an.... anal transplant?
2008-04-03 18:53 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.kcci.com/health/15777031/detail.html
2008-04-03 18:53 < Mike_H> That's hot
2008-04-03 18:58 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1808778
2008-04-03 18:58 < cimon> Mike_H, just a moment ago. you said you were playing Honey by Mariah Carey.... I know this is totally off topic, but which remix?
2008-04-03 18:59 < ThePolecat> "By contemplating the pierced side of Christ, we can understand that 'God is love.'"
2008-04-03 18:59 < ThePolecat> (Joe Ratzinger)
2008-04-03 19:00 < MECU> anyone know how I get a message on the top of the screen, you know, those annoying messages that have [dismiss] on them?
2008-04-03 19:00 < nsh-> you mean pope palpatine?
2008-04-03 19:01 < cimon> the pierced side of christ... That was when the soldiers wanted to save time by foregoing knee-capping jesus, and instead just make sure he was really dead, by bleeding him a bit to check the consistency of his blood?
2008-04-03 19:02 < cimon> or was it hamstringing...
2008-04-03 19:02 < cimon> anyway istr the roman practise was to make sure the crucified wouldn't walk away...
2008-04-03 19:03 < cimon> with quite a few crucified in fact surviving the crucifiction itself... and only dying much later...
2008-04-03 19:04 < cimon> point of the crucifiction being the suffering..
2008-04-03 19:04 < Lucifer_Cat> yup, most people died of heat strokes, thirst, hunger etc. alot fewer of blood loss
2008-04-03 19:06 * cimon brews coffee...
2008-04-03 19:06 < cimon> now where did I put those filters...
2008-04-03 19:07 * Mike_H turns into Mrs. Olson
2008-04-03 19:07 < dinospamoni> all that caffeine... gives you bad dreams..
2008-04-03 19:07 < Mike_H> cimon: Child, why don't you brew some Folgers
2008-04-03 19:07 < Mike_H> it's MOUNTAIN GRRRRRRRROWN
2008-04-03 19:07 < Mike_H> the best kind of coffee
2008-04-03 19:07 < cimon> right, I used the last one of the little ones... gotta use the 102's
2008-04-03 19:07 < HumbertHumbert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageMaker <-- Shouldn't this article have a screenshot from the original Mac environment rather than an ugly, early Windows port?
2008-04-03 19:08 < cimon> last of the 1x2's
2008-04-03 19:09 < Mike_H> Folgers was known for many years for television advertising, with one of its best-known campaigns involving "Mrs. Olson," a Swedish neighbor to many of the campaign's other characters, who invariably recommended a cup of Folgers coffee as a solution to all of their (minor) problems.
2008-04-03 19:09 < Mike_H> She also invariably reminded her listeners that Folgers was "mountain grown, the richest kind of coffee." Actress Virginia Christine portrayed Mrs. Olson in television advertisements from 1965 to 1986.
2008-04-03 19:10 < cimon> Mike_H, I usually do use dessicated coffee, but I was at my old employers headquarters for a wikimeet recently, and their coffee shop had "ethical coffee" for sale, and I like the arabica blend they had.
2008-04-03 19:10 < dinospamoni> Folgers is awful
2008-04-03 19:10 < cimon> Mike_H: the Finnish Equivalent ot Starbucks is Wayne's Coffee...
2008-04-03 19:10 < dinospamoni> worse even than i might expect
2008-04-03 19:11 < Mike_H> cimon: Mrs. Olson would tell women to make Folgers to solve their dumbest problems
2008-04-03 19:11 < Mike_H> in her "Swedish" accent
2008-04-03 19:11 < Mike_H> One time I read a parody
2008-04-03 19:11 < dinospamoni> does anyone else not like starbucks?
2008-04-03 19:11 < Mike_H> Linda: Mrs. Olson, I have uterine cancer.
2008-04-03 19:11 < Mike_H> Mrs. Olson: Oh, Linda, you need to try Folgers? It's Mountain Grown!
2008-04-03 19:11 < Mike_H> *Folgers!
2008-04-03 19:11 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1758666
2008-04-03 19:11 < cimon> Mike_H: the one I like is Euroshopper... a "non-brand".
2008-04-03 19:12 < Mike_H> cimon: She also invariably reminded her listeners that Folgers was "mountain grown, the richest kind of coffee." Actress Virginia Christine portrayed Mrs. Olson in television advertisements from 1965 to 1986.
2008-04-03 19:12 < Mike_H> er
2008-04-03 19:12 < Mike_H> shit
2008-04-03 19:12 < cimon> generic coffee
2008-04-03 19:12 < Mike_H> cimon: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ed3vswxJKgI
2008-04-03 19:12 < Mike_H> That's a Mrs. Olson ad
2008-04-03 19:12 < Mike_H> just to let you know
2008-04-03 19:12 < dinospamoni> i saw a giraffe today
2008-04-03 19:12 < cimon> Mike_H: there is nowhere to get Folgers here, that I know...
2008-04-03 19:13 < dinospamoni> any questions
2008-04-03 19:13 < Mike_H> cimon: Folgers is the most popular home coffee brand
2008-04-03 19:13 < Mike_H> that and Maxwell House
2008-04-03 19:14 < HumbertHumbert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageMaker <-- Shouldn't this article have a screenshot from the original Mac environment rather than an ugly, early Windows port?
2008-04-03 19:14 < NotACow> what?
2008-04-03 19:14 < HumbertHumbert> Yes.
2008-04-03 19:15 < HumbertHumbert> PageMaker was for Mac.
2008-04-03 19:15 < cimon> Mike_H, You have to understand that coffee is such a big product that native companies here in finland are quite dominant, Nescafe is pretty much the only one to make inroads into the domestic market here... We get maxwells in some very rare shops...
2008-04-03 19:15 < NotASpy> and Windows, HumbertHumbert
2008-04-03 19:15 < NotASpy> I had the great pleasure of using it under Windows 3.1 and it was bloody awful
2008-04-03 19:16 < dinospamoni> i dont think it matters an awful lot
2008-04-03 19:16 < dinospamoni> screens are screens
2008-04-03 19:16 < Lucifer_Cat> Good news everyone! Those asinine morons who AFD'd us, were themselves CSD'd for non-notables
2008-04-03 19:16 < Mike_H> cimon: I found one of the earliest Mrs. Olson ads
2008-04-03 19:16 < Mike_H> it's in black and white
2008-04-03 19:16 < Mike_H> http://youtube.com/watch?v=7x1OOwNyMf8
2008-04-03 19:16 < NotASpy> possibly due to the inevitable 286 processor, lack of a 287 math coprocessor and the 640x480 monitor.
2008-04-03 19:16 < Mike_H> I believe this is from 1965
2008-04-03 19:16 < NotACow> moo
2008-04-03 19:16 < cimon> NotACow, I used Ami-Pro under windows 3.1, since I had no wish to shell out for pagemaker... I liked Ami-Pro quite a bit...
2008-04-03 19:17 < NotACow> cimon: uh, so?
2008-04-03 19:17 < cimon> Mike_H: you keep pasting video to me... please remember I don't have the spare cycles to run video on my computer...
2008-04-03 19:18 < HumbertHumbert> Sigh.
2008-04-03 19:18 < cimon> NotACow, I was commentin to NotASpy
2008-04-03 19:18 < Mike_H> cimon: I thought you just said for me to tell you what the video was before I linked to it
2008-04-03 19:18 < cimon> confusing nicks...
2008-04-03 19:19 < cimon> Mike_H: yes, well, I am not going to waste time to see a coffee advertisement, is what I am saying...
2008-04-03 19:19 < WilliamH_UK> better have 2 nicks than 2 anuses
2008-04-03 19:19 < Mike_H> that's a bit rude.
2008-04-03 19:19 < cimon> MIke_H, I am not going to comment further, because it would indeed be rude...
2008-04-03 19:20 < NotASpy> never used Ami-Pro, only vaguely remember using PageMaker. Our IT classroom was divided between PC's on one side and BBC Micro's on the other side. Half the class had BASIC programming, the other half had Windows familiarization
2008-04-03 19:21 < Mike_H> ...I'll just be back another time
2008-04-03 19:21 < Mike_H> bbl
2008-04-03 19:21 < cimon> Mike_H: by way of explanation, though, perhaps;
2008-04-03 19:21 < cimon> Mike_H, let me explain
2008-04-03 19:22 < cimon> Mike_H: I am somewhat frustrated at the low performance level of my computer, and every time somebody links me directly to video, that kind of rubs it in, that I am on a scuzzy machine...
2008-04-03 19:23 < cimon> Mik_H: I am sure you don't intend to make me feel inferior when you do it, but it does.
2008-04-03 19:33 < Lucifer_Cat> meow
2008-04-03 19:33 < Lucifer_Cat> adobe
2008-04-03 19:36 * Ceiling_Cat shaves Lucifer_Cat bald
2008-04-03 19:36 < Ceiling_Cat> (Yay! Another bald pussy! Working_Cat was getting lonely)
2008-04-03 19:36 * Ceiling_Cat dumps a clean-shaven Lucifer_Cat in the bald pussy barrel
2008-04-03 19:40 * Lucifer_Cat smacks Ceiling_Cat in the head
2008-04-03 19:41 * Lucifer_Cat wonder how Ceiling_Cat watches everyone... being as blind as he is :P
2008-04-03 19:42 * FastLizard4 yawns
2008-04-03 19:42 < Lucifer_Cat> fast lizard for everything
2008-04-03 19:42 < FastLizard4> Lucifer_Cat: huh?
2008-04-03 19:43 * Lucifer_Cat puts FastLizard4 under J2EE framework... Enterprise_Cat was getting lonely in there... he can alteast terrorize the lizard now.
2008-04-03 19:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - get back in the barrel :P
2008-04-03 19:44 * quanticle throws all cats into the barrel
2008-04-03 19:44 * quanticle throws the barrel into the ocean
2008-04-03 19:44 < FastLizard4> :)
2008-04-03 19:44 * FastLizard4 is not catted yet
2008-04-03 19:44 * denelson83 throws quanticle into the North Pacific Gyre
2008-04-03 19:44 * FastLizard4 throws Lucifer_Cat into his school's server rooom
2008-04-03 19:45 < gwern> 'I only got one letter from the general public in this case. A big packet of apparently hand-typed-for-me notes from a Nazi living in Sarnia, Ontario. Not a neo-Nazi, but an "I fought for the Fuhrer in the war" Nazi, saying how great it was that people were telling Jewish jokes on the computer. One of the scariest things I ever got. '
2008-04-03 19:45 < FastLizard4> gwern: Fascinating
2008-04-03 19:45 * Lucifer_Cat sinks the barrel to his home level
2008-04-03 19:46 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - the barrel is only for bald pussies
2008-04-03 19:46 < Ceiling_Cat> if a cat isn't shaved, it doesn't go in the barrel
2008-04-03 19:46 * Ceiling_Cat cats FastLizard4 (per request)
2008-04-03 19:46 < FastLizard4> hehe
2008-04-03 19:48 < Ceiling_Cat> The BBC reports on the sad case of Simon Bunce. Mr. Bunce had his identity stolen, and credit cards were made to capitalize on the theft. Some of those cards were used at sites offering child pornography, and as a result Mr. Bunce was swept up in Operation Ore. The poor man was prosecuted for his 'crime', and was eventually found innocent, but in the meantime he lost his job. It took him six months to find another at a quarter of the salary.
2008-04-03 19:48 < Ceiling_Cat> -- http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/03/2131235
2008-04-03 19:48 * Lucifer_Cat addresses other cats in the barrel.. esp the nude Raul_Cat... mortal katz... you are here because some schrodinger dude didnt get any real sex and resorted to harmonic motion... you have been condemned under the Treaty 2.6 E between Me and God.
2008-04-03 19:50 * Lucifer_Cat wonders how long it will be before someone makes head or tail out of what he just said.
2008-04-03 19:50 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - amusing
2008-04-03 19:51 < gwern> MORTAL CATBAT!
2008-04-03 19:51 < Ceiling_Cat> well, if I'm gonna be nude, I might as well take a page out of Lir's playbook
2008-04-03 19:51 * Ceiling_Cat stabs Lucifer_Cat with his penis
2008-04-03 19:51 < gwern> it has been 7 years since the last Mortal Katbat tourney
2008-04-03 19:51 < FastLizard4> o_O
2008-04-03 19:51 < gwern> Meow Chang has returned to the mortal plane; with him comes tidings, tidings from planes foreign to man
2008-04-03 19:52 < Ceiling_Cat> For those who do not get my reference, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channel_quotes/archives/2004
2008-04-03 19:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Specifically: <bumm13> My guess is that Lir is a he
2008-04-03 19:52 < Ceiling_Cat> <Raul654> I agree - no woman could be that annoying... come to
2008-04-03 19:52 < Ceiling_Cat> think of it, I take that back
2008-04-03 19:52 < Ceiling_Cat> <Raul654> seriously though, I agree that Lir's comments to strike
2008-04-03 19:52 < Ceiling_Cat> me as distinctly masculine
2008-04-03 19:52 < Ceiling_Cat> <OldakQuill> Such as "I'll stab you with my penis"
2008-04-03 19:52 < Chetblong> O_O
2008-04-03 19:52 * gwern remembers that. good times
2008-04-03 19:53 < Mike5> haha
2008-04-03 19:53 < Lucifer_Cat> wtf... all of you were going at it since atleast 2004?
2008-04-03 19:53 < gwern> * gentgeen has joined #wikipedia
2008-04-03 19:53 < gwern> <Raul654> Mav - so you're advocating cartoon porn on the main page now?
2008-04-03 19:53 < gwern> <Raul654> After all, you requested it ;)
2008-04-03 19:53 < gwern> <blankfaze> mav: yes, but titties nonetheless!
2008-04-03 19:53 < gwern> <maveric149> Raul: yep - one step at a time. Soon we will have Mickey and Minney...
2008-04-03 19:53 < gwern> <gentgeen> this is an interesting conversation to come into the middle of
2008-04-03 19:53 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: I was, and Ceiling_Cat, and a number of others
2008-04-03 19:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - yah
2008-04-03 19:54 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: #wikipedia is... something of an institution shall we say
2008-04-03 19:54 * Ceiling_Cat is an oldie here
2008-04-03 19:54 < Lucifer_Cat> heh, i dont think i even considered wikipedia awesome in 2004
2008-04-03 19:54 < gwern> (not quite as vibrant as it used to be as more newbies come in and dilute the geek pool, y'know? also, cabal channels)
2008-04-03 19:55 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: was that a snide remark at me?
2008-04-03 19:56 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: nothing is so but thinking makes it
2008-04-03 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - what year did you join Wikipedia?
2008-04-03 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> If it was after 2003, that makes you a newb
2008-04-03 19:56 < Lucifer_Cat> 'join' as in?
2008-04-03 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> your first edit
2008-04-03 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> when was it?
2008-04-03 19:56 < Mark_Ryan> didn't you join in 2003, Ceiling_Cat?
2008-04-03 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Yes
2008-04-03 19:56 * Lucifer_Cat would rather not say
2008-04-03 19:56 < gwern> Mark_Ryan: that's kind o the joke
2008-04-03 19:57 * Mark_Ryan doesn't like it when people pull the "I've been here longer than you" card, because I beat them all
2008-04-03 19:57 * Mark_Ryan smacks Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-03 19:57 < Lucifer_Cat> i added some trivial fact to [[Eye of the tiger(song)]] last year
2008-04-03 19:57 < Lucifer_Cat> and i created an account in Jan 2008
2008-04-03 19:57 < Ceiling_Cat> Mark_Ryan - if we ignore your first 2 edits, you got here way after everyone else ;)
2008-04-03 19:57 < geniice> 29 April 2004
2008-04-03 19:57 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat: 4 edits :P
2008-04-03 19:57 < Ceiling_Cat> you edited in 2002, then went missing for 2 years :P
2008-04-03 19:58 < Ceiling_Cat> then you came back and I later nominated you for adminship
2008-04-03 19:58 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat: no, that's not right. I edited 4 times in 2001, then came back in january 2002, went missing for 1 year, then came back and edited consistently since 2003. except half my contributions are stuck at [[Special:Contributions/Mark Ryan]]
2008-04-03 19:58 < gwern> standards were lower then
2008-04-03 19:59 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - I got adminship with 2 supports and no opposes :P
2008-04-03 19:59 < Ceiling_Cat> my only regret is that I didn't get adminship on wikien
2008-04-03 19:59 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: a record for unanmity?
2008-04-03 20:00 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - possibly
2008-04-03 20:00 < gwern> wikien?
2008-04-03 20:00 < Mark_Ryan> you used to just request it on wikipedia-l
2008-04-03 20:00 < Mark_Ryan> before RfA existed
2008-04-03 20:00 < gwern> ah
2008-04-03 20:01 < FastLizard4> Mark_Ryan: In your opinion, which is better: Direct request to a 'crat or RFA?
2008-04-03 20:01 * gwern had sort of assumed rfa came into existence with the admit bit and blocking and deletion
2008-04-03 20:01 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern is a yougin, but we'll school him yet :P
2008-04-03 20:01 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat, do you nominate many people for adminship these days?
2008-04-03 20:01 < Ceiling_Cat> Mark_Ryan - no, actually, I don't
2008-04-03 20:02 < Mark_Ryan> FastLizard4: direct request to a bureaucrat? lol, there were no bureaucrats then
2008-04-03 20:02 < Ceiling_Cat> When I nominated Raymond_Arritt last year, someone pointed out that they had never seen me nominate anyone
2008-04-03 20:02 < NotACow> heh
2008-04-03 20:02 < Mark_Ryan> a developer simply went in and clicked the switch
2008-04-03 20:02 < Ceiling_Cat> I went back and checked, and my last nom had been in 2005, maybe 2004
2008-04-03 20:02 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: come on, I joined when 2004 was young, that's not 'young' >.<
2008-04-03 20:02 < NotACow> i've nominated exactly one person for adminship
2008-04-03 20:02 < FastLizard4> Mark_Ryan: OK, then a dev then, which do you thing is better?
2008-04-03 20:02 < Mark_Ryan> I've nominated a few, but I think most of them have turned out to be disasters
2008-04-03 20:02 * Lucifer_Cat remembers reading about Wikipedia in a computer mag when it was quite new, and going "bah, bullshit. another one of those doomed to fail overestimating the power of internet ideas. these idiots think internet is some sort of magic wand"
2008-04-03 20:03 < Mark_Ryan> FastLizard4: probably RfA, at least, RfA a few years ago
2008-04-03 20:03 < Mark_Ryan> before the nutjobs set up camp
2008-04-03 20:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - wikipedia? On the internet? Since when?
2008-04-03 20:03 * Ceiling_Cat mumbles something about everything going onto the internets
2008-04-03 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> Mark_Ryan: nominate me... i promise wont let you down.
2008-04-03 20:03 * FastLizard4 morphs into cat
2008-04-03 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: what?
2008-04-03 20:03 < Lucifer_Cat> err... Ceiling_Cat .. what?
2008-04-03 20:03 * Ceiling_Cat shaves Enterprise_Cat, puts him into the bald pussy barrel
2008-04-03 20:04 < Lucifer_Cat> Enterprise_Cat needs moar soa
2008-04-03 20:04 < Mark_Ryan> Lucifer_Cat: the blurb I read about Wikipedia which got me in, pointed out that you could even edit the wikipedia front page
2008-04-03 20:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - n/m, bad joke
2008-04-03 20:04 < Lucifer_Cat> SOA = Shaved On Arrival.
2008-04-03 20:04 * Enterprise_Cat drops tesla bomba on Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-03 20:04 * Ceiling_Cat puts a rim, backboard, and automated cat shaver on top of the barrel
2008-04-03 20:04 < Lucifer_Cat> Mark_Ryan: hmmm.
2008-04-03 20:05 * Ceiling_Cat throws a cat in from the 3 point line
2008-04-03 20:05 * Enterprise_Cat shaves Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-03 20:06 < Lucifer_Cat> just curious, whats the criteria for getting ops on the channel
2008-04-03 20:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - Mark_Ryan and I know you
2008-04-03 20:06 < Ceiling_Cat> and trust you
2008-04-03 20:06 < Mark_Ryan> there's also some sexual requirements
2008-04-03 20:06 < Lucifer_Cat> i could never figure out how ops were made
2008-04-03 20:07 * Ceiling_Cat hands Lucifer_Cat a large container of crisco
2008-04-03 20:07 < Lucifer_Cat> Mark_Ryan: is there some female in the cabal i could make up to
2008-04-03 20:07 * Ceiling_Cat points at the crisco
2008-04-03 20:07 < Enterprise_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: The most important thing is to have friends in very high up places
2008-04-03 20:08 < Lucifer_Cat> i know a couple of dudes in tibet
2008-04-03 20:08 < Lucifer_Cat> well atleast one.
2008-04-03 20:08 < Lucifer_Cat> i havent heard from the other one for a week now
2008-04-03 20:08 < Enterprise_Cat> Lucifer_Cat: No, I mean someone with level 49 access :P
2008-04-03 20:08 < Ceiling_Cat> on a more serious note, Lucifer_Cat, Mark and I will take your request under consideration
2008-04-03 20:09 < Lucifer_Cat> no no im not putting a request
2008-04-03 20:09 * Ceiling_Cat is confused
2008-04-03 20:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Were you asking just to know the process?
2008-04-03 20:09 < Lucifer_Cat> i will when i feel like i understand what people are talking about.
2008-04-03 20:10 * NotACow will vote for anyone who nominates her for admin :)
2008-04-03 20:10 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: yeah. as i said.. Curious_Cat
2008-04-03 20:10 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: i thought u were banned. also, moo.
2008-04-03 20:11 < gwern> why would NotACow be banned?
2008-04-03 20:11 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: for not being a cow.
2008-04-03 20:11 < gwern> then ban me as well!
2008-04-03 20:12 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways, i was saying something... damn i forgot
2008-04-03 20:12 < gwern> I am NotACow!
2008-04-03 20:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Mark_Ryan - were you here when I mentioned the horrible (read: hilarious) new joke I heard earlier today?
2008-04-03 20:12 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: banned?
2008-04-03 20:12 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: why would i be banned?
2008-04-03 20:13 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: nevermind i said that.
2008-04-03 20:13 < cimon> haha, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_Transnistria
2008-04-03 20:13 < Lucifer_Cat> i did read something about your account being blocked on your blog. though im sure it wasnt the regular wiki account,
2008-04-03 20:13 < Lucifer_Cat> i thought u had a falling out with someone
2008-04-03 20:13 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: i haven't been blocked in a LONG time.
2008-04-03 20:13 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways, heres what i was gonna ask....
2008-04-03 20:14 < NotACow> the last time i was blocked it was lifted within minuts
2008-04-03 20:14 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight all!
2008-04-03 20:14 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-04-03 20:14 < Lucifer_Cat> if some person...lets say NotACow ..
2008-04-03 20:14 < Lucifer_Cat> CEILING_CAT WAIT
2008-04-03 20:14 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: NotACow's already fallen out. she's fallen out so much she fell right smack into the middle of the cabal
2008-04-03 20:14 < Ceiling_Cat> ...yes?
2008-04-03 20:14 < Lucifer_Cat> hear my Q then go
2008-04-03 20:14 < Ceiling_Cat> ok
2008-04-03 20:14 < Ceiling_Cat> what's up?
2008-04-03 20:14 < Lucifer_Cat> if some person...lets say NotACow, vandalizes/does something to get blocked. lets say user is blocked, so is IP
2008-04-03 20:15 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: the world is not at peace! what can we do?
2008-04-03 20:15 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - there is nothing that can't be solved with suffecient numbers of cats
2008-04-03 20:15 < Mark_Ryan> Lucifer_Cat: is it really necessary to use someone present in the conversation as an example of someone who would do that?
2008-04-03 20:15 < Lucifer_Cat> now the same person can move to a different place, and under a new nick lets say KM, can create an account?
2008-04-03 20:15 < gwern> Mark_Ryan: it's hilarrific
2008-04-03 20:15 < Ceiling_Cat> different place?
2008-04-03 20:15 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: 'different place'?
2008-04-03 20:15 < Lucifer_Cat> Mark_Ryan: making it sound real
2008-04-03 20:16 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: basically get a new IP
2008-04-03 20:16 < Lucifer_Cat> accomplish it in any way possible
2008-04-03 20:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - what do you mean by "different place"? A different WMF wiki?
2008-04-03 20:16 < Ceiling_Cat> A different non-WMF wiki?
2008-04-03 20:16 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: well sure. you're blocked on IP and name. move to a different IP and name and necessarily you can get in, unless we're dealing with a range block
2008-04-03 20:16 < NotACow> i only vandalize through open proxies
2008-04-03 20:16 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: that was not very well framed. i meant a different IP
2008-04-03 20:17 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: ok thank.
2008-04-03 20:17 * Lucifer_Cat makes a note for future use.
2008-04-03 20:17 < Ceiling_Cat> if someone is blocked for vandalism, and gets a different IP and comes back, that could lead to a re-blocking
2008-04-03 20:17 * Enterprise_Cat pushes NotACow into a tor proxy
2008-04-03 20:17 < gwern> I mean, philosophically, how could one still be blocked on a new account and a new IP? in what sense is that still the same person from the server's view?
2008-04-03 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> if the person totally refrained from the old behavior that got him/her blocked, only a checkuser could
2008-04-03 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> could tell
2008-04-03 20:18 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: my point was, does it happen often?
2008-04-03 20:18 < gwern> omnisciently, we see the same person typing, but how could a computer ever know? it just sees bits and more bits
2008-04-03 20:18 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: oh sure. it's a standard vandal tactic
2008-04-03 20:18 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: dude, i know. im not that bad a noob.
2008-04-03 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> im supposed to be a computer scientist.
2008-04-03 20:19 < gwern> yeah, you name it and vandals've tried it
2008-04-03 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, only someone with checkuser access could tell, and to be frank, I have bigger fish to fry than small time vandals
2008-04-03 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> ah.. that reminds me... i meant to look up [[Scientist]] the other day
2008-04-03 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> brb
2008-04-03 20:19 < gwern> except the attacks we keep secret
2008-04-03 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Does that answer your question?
2008-04-03 20:19 < gwern> and the ones that need elevated permissions
2008-04-03 20:19 < nickynacky> hi, anyone ever emmbedded wikipedia articles at ure own homepage?
2008-04-03 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> yup
2008-04-03 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight
2008-04-03 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> nickynacky: that wasnt for you sorry
2008-04-03 20:19 < nickynacky> np
2008-04-03 20:19 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: thanks. cya later. sleep now.
2008-04-03 20:19 < nickynacky> that were too fast
2008-04-03 20:19 < nickynacky> :)
2008-04-03 20:20 < Lucifer_Cat> heh, [[Scientist]] has the pic of only good looking female bioscientist in the world
2008-04-03 20:21 < cimon> heh, the president of Transnistria is [[Igor Smirnov]]...
2008-04-03 20:22 < nickynacky> or do u guys know how i can check, if a picture in wikipedia is licensed GNU ????
2008-04-03 20:24 < nickynacky> automaticly check, not by watching the page of its discription
2008-04-03 20:24 < Cyrius> automatically? you can't
2008-04-03 20:24 < Cyrius> the information is on the description page
2008-04-03 20:25 < nickynacky> so i must cache this page too, if i want to embedd the picture ?
2008-04-03 20:25 < Lucifer_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratibha_Patil
2008-04-03 20:25 < Lucifer_Cat> damn
2008-04-03 20:25 < Cyrius> if you want to reuse the picture, you have to say what license it is (unless it's public domain)
2008-04-03 20:25 < nickynacky> i know
2008-04-03 20:26 < nickynacky> so i can embedd the
2008-04-03 20:26 < nickynacky> copyright (c) pictures too?
2008-04-03 20:26 < Cyrius> GFDL pictures _are_ copyrighted
2008-04-03 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> compare THAT.... with THIS... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Kalam
2008-04-03 20:27 < Lucifer_Cat> now that is one cool dude.
2008-04-03 20:28 < nickynacky> yes i know, but the main question is, if i can embeddthe Pictures in GFDL and if i can find out automaticly the License of the picture
2008-04-03 20:28 < Lucifer_Cat> "He has received honorary doctorates from as many as thirty universities " lolwut?
2008-04-03 20:29 < nickynacky> so that i do not embedd the other licensed pictures
2008-04-03 20:29 < Cyrius> embed in what?
2008-04-03 20:30 < Lucifer_Cat> well i guess i'll wait till someone interested comes along
2008-04-03 20:30 < nickynacky> in a blog or homepage
2008-04-03 20:30 < Cyrius> why does it need to be automatic?
2008-04-03 20:30 < nickynacky> and that shall done automaticly by php
2008-04-03 20:30 < nickynacky> the idea is to build up a search mask
2008-04-03 20:31 < Cyrius> a what?
2008-04-03 20:31 < nickynacky> and cache the requested Articles
2008-04-03 20:31 < nickynacky> a SEARCH area in the homepage
2008-04-03 20:31 < Cyrius> I honestly have no idea what you're talking about
2008-04-03 20:31 < nickynacky> hehe
2008-04-03 20:31 < nickynacky> np
2008-04-03 20:32 < nickynacky> i cache the webpage of an article and reproduce it on my own homepage with my layout
2008-04-03 20:32 < Cyrius> ...why?
2008-04-03 20:32 < nickynacky> as i said
2008-04-03 20:32 < Lucifer_Cat> isnt that kinda breaking like 23 copyright laws?
2008-04-03 20:33 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: nope. we let people do that
2008-04-03 20:33 < nickynacky> i want to change the layout of wikipedia
2008-04-03 20:33 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: thats no fun
2008-04-03 20:33 < nickynacky> no its legal
2008-04-03 20:33 < nickynacky> if u cache the webpage
2008-04-03 20:33 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: it'd be more fun if people actually believed us
2008-04-03 20:33 < Lucifer_Cat> nickynacky: good luck with that :)
2008-04-03 20:33 < nickynacky> and not building up a mirror
2008-04-03 20:33 < Cyrius> you can mirror wikipedia
2008-04-03 20:34 < Lucifer_Cat> hmmm this guy really knows his stuff.
2008-04-03 20:34 < nickynacky> no
2008-04-03 20:34 < nickynacky> thats forbidden
2008-04-03 20:34 < Cyrius> we even provide the data for download
2008-04-03 20:34 < nickynacky> yes
2008-04-03 20:34 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: i thought pulling and mirroring current articles was not allowed
2008-04-03 20:34 < nickynacky> but my homepage size is about 100 MB
2008-04-03 20:34 < nickynacky> so
2008-04-03 20:34 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: _that_ is not allowed.
2008-04-03 20:34 < Cyrius> because it costs us money
2008-04-03 20:34 < nickynacky> yes
2008-04-03 20:35 < nickynacky> but caching
2008-04-03 20:35 < nickynacky> is allowed
2008-04-03 20:35 < Lucifer_Cat> ok. so you can take the current article... and cache it... and its fine
2008-04-03 20:35 < Cyrius> try #mediawiki
2008-04-03 20:35 < Cyrius> if there's a way to do what you want, they're more likely to know
2008-04-03 20:35 < Cyrius> if they're awake
2008-04-03 20:35 < Lucifer_Cat> but you cant hotlink something
2008-04-03 20:36 < Lucifer_Cat> on a side note, i think Tina Fey is totally tappable.
2008-04-03 20:36 < Ral315_> That was the most random Tina Fey reference I've seen in a while.
2008-04-03 20:37 < nickynacky> actually this is only availeable in german i think:
2008-04-03 20:37 < nickynacky> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Weiternutzung
2008-04-03 20:37 < nickynacky> this article i mean
2008-04-03 20:37 < Ral315_> Lucifer_Cat, I agree, though.
2008-04-03 20:37 < Ral315_> WEITER NUT ZUNG!
2008-04-03 20:37 < nickynacky> ah thanks Cyrius
2008-04-03 20:37 < nickynacky> I try
2008-04-03 20:38 < Cyrius> we don't like sites that load our articles and change the look (and put ads on)
2008-04-03 20:39 < Cyrius> the server people have been known to block that stuff at the router
2008-04-03 20:39 < Lucifer_Cat> can one do it without putting ads on?
2008-04-03 20:40 < Cyrius> we don't like that either, but it's even worse
2008-04-03 20:40 < Cyrius> making money while costing the foundation money
2008-04-03 20:40 < Lucifer_Cat> ok so explain to me.... how is nickynacky 's scheme different.
2008-04-03 20:40 < Lucifer_Cat> as in im sure hes in the clear...
2008-04-03 20:41 < Cyrius> I don't think it is
2008-04-03 20:41 < Lucifer_Cat> im just saying i cant see the difference.
2008-04-03 20:41 * Lucifer_Cat is now confused :S
2008-04-03 20:41 < Cyrius> I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because he had not clearly communicated what he was doing
2008-04-03 20:43 < MECU> has there ever been a "Wikipedia is <x> <Month>"? like "Wikipedia is Stub Cleanup April"?
2008-04-03 20:43 < nickynacky> actually its on a webpage with NO ads at all
2008-04-03 20:44 < nickynacky> and its more meant to me
2008-04-03 20:44 < nickynacky> so
2008-04-03 20:45 < nickynacky> is it now allowed to do sp
2008-04-03 20:45 < Cyrius> MECU: it has probably been tried
2008-04-03 20:45 < nickynacky> so or not ?
2008-04-03 20:45 < nickynacky> MECU ?
2008-04-03 20:45 < Cyrius> nickynacky: if you just want to change how things look for yourself, you can create a user account and change your CSS
2008-04-03 20:45 < nickynacky> what does that mean
2008-04-03 20:45 < MECU> nickynacky: ?
2008-04-03 20:45 * Lucifer_Cat facepalms.
2008-04-03 20:45 < nickynacky> ah ok
2008-04-03 20:45 < nickynacky> but i want to integrate it into my webpage
2008-04-03 20:45 < Lucifer_Cat> nickynacky: yeah that a LOT better way of doing things.
2008-04-03 20:46 < nickynacky> where i have other things that i use
2008-04-03 20:46 < Lucifer_Cat> i'll be back after banging my head against the wall.
2008-04-03 20:46 < jaymacdonald> how do i delete page?!?!/!
2008-04-03 20:47 < Cyrius> jaymacdonald: you probably can't
2008-04-03 20:47 < Cyrius> if you tell us what page is the problem, we can try to help you
2008-04-03 20:47 < psychcf> don't you need to be a mod to do that?
2008-04-03 20:48 < cimon> Lucifer_Cat, just for a moment there I thought Tina Fey is the drummer-gal, but I guess that is Tina Weymouth...
2008-04-03 20:48 < jaymacdonald> i thought i was a mod
2008-04-03 20:48 < jaymacdonald> i made account
2008-04-03 20:48 < nickynacky> Cyrius Is this now allowed or not
2008-04-03 20:48 < nickynacky> ?
2008-04-03 20:48 < Cyrius> jaymacdonald: you're not an admin, you can't delete pages
2008-04-03 20:48 * Lucifer_Cat looks up Tina Weymouth
2008-04-03 20:48 < Ral315_> Same as it ever was...
2008-04-03 20:49 < jaymacdonald> your mom is my wikipedia nub
2008-04-03 20:49 < Cyrius> that was fun.
2008-04-03 20:49 < Lucifer_Cat> uh oh