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2008-04-03 10:40 < Lycurgus> your moments of brillance are unlikely to have much chance in the typical private corporate tyranny
2008-04-03 10:41 < Demi> they amuse me, though
2008-04-03 10:41 < Lycurgus> maybe in a company like ibm, hp, 3m or at least what they used to be
2008-04-03 10:41 < bumm13> morning Demi
2008-04-03 10:41 < Demi> for the most part, i get to make decisions about stuff, now, so it's pretty good (even though i work in a typical private corporate tyranny)
2008-04-03 10:41 < Demi> good morning, bumm13
2008-04-03 10:42 < nsh> anyone plugged into electronic journal land right now?
2008-04-03 10:46 < Working_Cat> "tautologicoriffic" i like that word. i'll add it to my vocab. right above wikiality
2008-04-03 10:47 < Working_Cat> nsh: you mean to ask if anyone is reading blogs?
2008-04-03 10:48 < Lycurgus> no e wants access to journals
2008-04-03 10:48 < nsh> no
2008-04-03 10:48 < Lycurgus> such as you can get at a uni library
2008-04-03 10:48 * Demi wonders if you have read his recent paper, published in Live Journal and the Proceedings of the American Society of Blogspot.
2008-04-03 10:48 < nsh> i mean to ask if anyone has access to electronic journals
2008-04-03 10:48 < nsh> by virtue of being at an academic establishment
2008-04-03 10:48 < nsh> or rich and stupid
2008-04-03 10:48 < nsh> or working for elsevier
2008-04-03 10:48 < nsh> (ie, rich stupid and evil)
2008-04-03 10:49 < Lycurgus> i find most people stupid
2008-04-03 10:49 < Lycurgus> objectively
2008-04-03 10:50 < Lycurgus> and subjectively
2008-04-03 10:51 < Lycurgus> for instance don't understand why don't just make arrangement to go to an academic institution with such journal access
2008-04-03 10:51 < Lycurgus> in the US and most western countries such an institution will be readily available
2008-04-03 10:52 < Lycurgus> and it's unlikely any individual on an IRC channel is going to have comparable capabilities at hand and anyway why would they act as your factotum
2008-04-03 10:52 < Working_Cat> nsh: which one
2008-04-03 10:55 < Lycurgus> and especially not this channel
2008-04-03 10:58 < Working_Cat> Lycurgus: i think his idea was "fuck it, i'll ask anyways
2008-04-03 10:59 < Lycurgus> perhaps we're about to find out
2008-04-03 11:00 < Demi> oh right, i hate java
2008-04-03 11:01 < Working_Cat> Demi: what did it do now
2008-04-03 11:01 < Demi> it appeared in my editor window
2008-04-03 11:02 < Lycurgus> requesting that you upgrade?
2008-04-03 11:02 < Demi> existing
2008-04-03 11:02 < Demi> because i have to write some java now
2008-04-03 11:13 < Working_Cat> heh heh heh
2008-04-03 11:13 < Lycurgus> mateus rose
2008-04-03 11:32 < NotACow> whee
2008-04-03 11:35 < Working_Cat> whaa
2008-04-03 11:35 < Working_Cat> brb.
2008-04-03 11:39 < Ezequiel> HI
2008-04-03 11:39 < Cream> Hello!
2008-04-03 11:39 < Lobster> O_o
2008-04-03 11:40 < Lobster> [[WP:1.0]] links to #wikipedia-1.0
2008-04-03 11:40 < Lobster> doesn't exist
2008-04-03 11:40 < Lobster> is there a specific 1.0 channel or did it die?
2008-04-03 11:40 < snowolf> wait
2008-04-03 11:41 * Lycurgus wartet
2008-04-03 11:41 < snowolf> I don't see any on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels
2008-04-03 11:42 < Lobster> the link was to freenode
2008-04-03 11:42 < Lobster> just realised it is registered on chanserv
2008-04-03 11:42 < Lobster> guess just abandoned :/
2008-04-03 11:42 < Working_Cat> hey Zoidberg!
2008-04-03 11:44 < Working_Cat> ...
2008-04-03 11:48 < Working_Cat> meow?
2008-04-03 11:48 < NotACow> MEOW!
2008-04-03 11:48 < Cream> lol
2008-04-03 11:48 < Cream> there's a drawball raid saturday
2008-04-03 11:49 < Working_Cat> a what?
2008-04-03 11:51 < Cream> drawball
2008-04-03 11:51 < NotACow> RUN! HIDE! CHICKEN ATTACK!
2008-04-03 11:52 < Working_Cat> karynn?
2008-04-03 11:52 < Working_Cat> whats a drawball
2008-04-03 11:53 < Cream> giant free drawing ball
2008-04-03 11:53 < Cream> in flash
2008-04-03 11:54 < Working_Cat> hmmm
2008-04-03 11:54 < Working_Cat> ugh. im blinded
2008-04-03 11:55 < Working_Cat> real smart on my part to rub my eye with fingers that prolly have enough peppers on them to make your average american die of heartburn
2008-04-03 11:56 < Cream> okay
2008-04-03 11:56 < Cream> I'm off toodles
2008-04-03 11:58 < Vike91> 249 users? Wow, that's a lot.
2008-04-03 11:58 < slimmie> Yup
2008-04-03 12:05 * Vike91 HAS LEFT #WIKIPEDIA
2008-04-03 12:06 < Demi> ugh, i really hate java
2008-04-03 12:08 < Lycurgus> but you like being employed, no?
2008-04-03 12:08 < Demi> to an extent
2008-04-03 12:09 < Lycurgus> and being able to irc on your employers time?
2008-04-03 12:09 < Lycurgus> surely you enjoy that?
2008-04-03 12:09 < Demi> java isn't that valuable, it's easy to find java programmers
2008-04-03 12:09 < Demi> yeah, when people aren't backtalking! :)
2008-04-03 12:10 < Lycurgus> if scarcity were at a premium haskell and prolog programmers would make the same a lawyers and surgeons
2008-04-03 12:10 < Lycurgus> *as
2008-04-03 12:11 * Lycurgus lets Demi monopolize the channel for a change
2008-04-03 12:12 < Demi> heh
2008-04-03 12:15 < ThePolecat> Goodness me, [[Christian Patriot movement]] is awesome
2008-04-03 12:18 < ThePolecat> especially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Patriot_movement#Legal_claims
2008-04-03 12:37 < ThePolecat> "can be a useful tool for groups to broadcast political, religious, or terrorist messages..."
2008-04-03 12:37 < ThePolecat> That teaches us that there are three spheres of public life, politics, religion and terrorism
2008-04-03 12:55 < Phoenix-wiki> Bertie Ahern has announced he will resign next month
2008-04-03 12:55 < Cometstyles> woo hoo \o/
2008-04-03 12:55 < Cometstyles> who ?
2008-04-03 12:56 < Phoenix-wiki> Bertie Ahern = Irish Prime minister
2008-04-03 12:56 < Cometstyles> aww
2008-04-03 12:56 < Cometstyles> it thot someone important ;)
2008-04-03 12:56 < Cometstyles> i*
2008-04-03 12:57 < Phoenix-wiki> lol
2008-04-03 12:57 < Phoenix-wiki> technically called "Taiseach", though it's the same job as prime minister
2008-04-03 13:13 < OverlordQ> arg, stupid amavis doesn't like bdb4.6
2008-04-03 13:29 < Working_Cat> no one cares.
2008-04-03 13:33 < Working_Cat> moew?
2008-04-03 13:35 < Lycurgus> CBS is running a pregnant man story.
2008-04-03 13:36 < Cometstyles> :O
2008-04-03 13:36 < Lycurgus> in Bend, OR noless.
2008-04-03 13:42 < jaspre> hello?
2008-04-03 13:42 < Cometstyles> hey :)
2008-04-03 13:43 < jaspre> I skipped school to edit Wikipedia best day ever
2008-04-03 13:44 < gwern> jaspre: that's stupid. WP will be around for a long time
2008-04-03 13:44 < gwern> there's no hurry
2008-04-03 13:45 < Working_Cat> gwern: you should be encouraging future dissidents and edit war heroes... not discoraging them.
2008-04-03 13:45 < gwern> Working_Cat: school is more important than WP anyday. it's better to become bill gates and spend a billion hiring people to edit WP than idle away your life adding stuff which is small pototatoes
2008-04-03 13:45 < Lycurgus> depending on the school, could be a better use of time
2008-04-03 13:46 < jaspre> waht
2008-04-03 13:46 < Lycurgus> maybe not
2008-04-03 13:46 < Working_Cat> gwern: i detect that you have trouble detecting rhetoric and sarcasm.
2008-04-03 13:46 < jaspre> no see the information from my cell & molecular biology class is what will be useful in editing wikipedia, who cares about today's classes (communication and pol sci)
2008-04-03 13:47 < gwern> Working_Cat: I do
2008-04-03 13:47 < Working_Cat> happens. i suffer from cluelessness too from time to time.
2008-04-03 13:48 < gwern> jaspre: political science is of practical use. consider how many people were killed in the 20th century when they couldn't recognize their government becoming evil in time to escape?
2008-04-03 13:48 < Working_Cat> gwern: sometimes - often rather - escaping isnt easy/possible
2008-04-03 13:49 < Mike5> anyone feel like AfDing all these articles? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kamen_Rider_characters
2008-04-03 13:49 < jaspre> is that godwin's law
2008-04-03 13:50 < gwern> Working_Cat: true; once the border controls are down, you're in trouble. but many jews survived because they took heed of the early warning signs in nazi germany
2008-04-03 13:50 < Working_Cat> thats true
2008-04-03 13:51 < Antibuddha> hi
2008-04-03 13:52 < Antibuddha> i know how to save the american economy- lower fuel cost
2008-04-03 13:52 < Working_Cat> jaspre: that law is invoked when someone is unreasonably or casually compared to the nazis. not when its used as an example.
2008-04-03 13:52 < Antibuddha> someone send a memo to president bush i have saved this country
2008-04-03 13:52 < Working_Cat> Antibuddha: great. you just won the Nobel Prize for Life, Universe and Everything.
2008-04-03 13:52 < Antibuddha> yay
2008-04-03 13:53 < Antibuddha> here is my bank account number please forward nobel prize funds there
2008-04-03 13:53 < Golbfoo> Antibuddha- how do you lower fuel costs?
2008-04-03 13:53 < gwern> lower fuel costs is a recipe for higher fuel costs
2008-04-03 13:53 < Antibuddha> Golbfoo: i work at a bp gas station, i use a stick with a suction cup on the end of it to change gas prices
2008-04-03 13:53 < Golbfoo> ok but then if you lower them too much you go out of business
2008-04-03 13:53 < Golbfoo> how will that save the american economy
2008-04-03 13:53 < Antibuddha> then lets raise gas prices so we get lower gas prices
2008-04-03 13:54 < Mike5> seriously? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamen_Rider_Faiz_Blaster_Form
2008-04-03 13:54 < gwern> Antibuddha: unfortunately, that sort of pigovian tax takes time to lower gas prices. there's a lot of inelasticity in the system
2008-04-03 13:55 < Antibuddha> gwern: ok fine if i cant get any cooperation from wikipedia chat to save this country how are we going to put mirrors in space and achieve eternal sunlight
2008-04-03 13:55 < gwern> Antibuddha: we do not yet have spotless minds
2008-04-03 13:55 < Antibuddha> apparently wikipedia is not the vehicle by which the world will be changed by my human intellect
2008-04-03 13:55 < Antibuddha> farewell
2008-04-03 13:55 < Working_Cat> gwern gwern gwern ... you need more work on your humor modules.
2008-04-03 13:56 < gwern> Working_Cat: can I help it if I like to make 'Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind' jokes?
2008-04-03 13:57 < gwern> THAT IS WHO I AM
2008-04-03 13:57 < Working_Cat> gwern: it was about you not detecting jokes to start with.
2008-04-03 13:58 < gwern> antibuddha was serious chatter. Eternal sunshine are serious topic
2008-04-03 13:58 < gwern> weren't you here last time antibuddha brought it up?
2008-04-03 13:58 < Working_Cat> thankfully no i guess.
2008-04-03 13:59 < morwen> eternsl sunshine won't work through giant mirrors
2008-04-03 13:59 < morwen> what if the sun goes out
2008-04-03 13:59 < morwen> eh eh
2008-04-03 13:59 < morwen> lasting 10 billion years is not eternal!
2008-04-03 13:59 < gwern> THEN THE MIRRORS WILL REFLECT THE COSMIC BACKGROUND
2008-04-03 13:59 < Working_Cat> morwen: in that case exception handling will be the least of our concerns.
2008-04-03 14:00 * White_Cat puts gwern on a miror
2008-04-03 14:00 < morwen> Working_Cat: catch (Exploding_Sun s) { s.explode(false); }
2008-04-03 14:00 < White_Cat> suns?
2008-04-03 14:00 < White_Cat> there is one sun
2008-04-03 14:01 < morwen> Of course there is more than one sun
2008-04-03 14:01 < gwern> I thought our sun was Sol
2008-04-03 14:01 < morwen> otherwise how can the Sentry have the the power of a "thousand exploding suns"?
2008-04-03 14:01 < Working_Cat> morwen: its clearly supposed to be catch(ExpoldingSunException ese){ ese.toStringTheory(NaN);}
2008-04-03 14:01 < morwen> you cannot be saying Marvel comics have it wrong
2008-04-03 14:01 < White_Cat> there are many stars
2008-04-03 14:01 < White_Cat> one sun
2008-04-03 14:01 < White_Cat> sun is our star
2008-04-03 14:02 < morwen> White_Cat: anyway. who said otherwise?
2008-04-03 14:02 < morwen> you can have a class just have one instance
2008-04-03 14:02 < White_Cat> Sol is the Solar System
2008-04-03 14:02 < White_Cat> abribiated
2008-04-03 14:02 < White_Cat> our own star has a special status
2008-04-03 14:02 < morwen> make the constructor private, and only called from from one static initialiser in the class itself.
2008-04-03 14:02 < Working_Cat> abbreviated *
2008-04-03 14:02 < White_Cat> as we didnt know it was a star
2008-04-03 14:02 < gwern> hm. The [[Sun]] article says Sol is just the latin name for the Sun
2008-04-03 14:03 < White_Cat> right
2008-04-03 14:03 < Working_Cat> White_Cat: cosmic fail
2008-04-03 14:03 < White_Cat> hence Solar
2008-04-03 14:04 < jaspre> i have to edit wikipedia for my writing portfolio anyway
2008-04-03 14:05 < White_Cat> gwern the sun must be deleted
2008-04-03 14:05 < White_Cat> its too hot
2008-04-03 14:05 < Working_Cat> jaspre: youre the one whose aunt wants you to make edits?
2008-04-03 14:05 < jaspre> yes
2008-04-03 14:05 < White_Cat> and they make regular nuclear explosions on it
2008-04-03 14:05 < White_Cat> talk about WMDs
2008-04-03 14:06 < White_Cat> US should invade the sun
2008-04-03 14:11 < jaspre> is working_cat ceiling_cat
2008-04-03 14:12 < Working_Cat> jaspre: maybe
2008-04-03 14:13 < jaspre> meh
2008-04-03 14:16 < Working_Cat> jaspre: what gave it away
2008-04-03 14:16 < jaspre> dick
2008-04-03 14:16 < bumm13> ok.....
2008-04-03 14:17 < Working_Cat> ewww
2008-04-03 14:17 * Working_Cat feels voyeurized
2008-04-03 14:17 * Working_Cat bats bumm13 's ankles
2008-04-03 14:18 * bumm13 's ankles are batted
2008-04-03 14:18 * Working_Cat digs his claws into bumm13 's ankles.
2008-04-03 14:21 < gwern> '0V0O' <-- wow, that was a fun captcha.
2008-04-03 14:24 < kingturtle> gmorning
2008-04-03 14:26 < enok|walker> Is there a way to randomize Google search results
2008-04-03 14:27 < Mike5> hi kingturtle
2008-04-03 14:27 < enok|walker> I mean either for regular google or sites like google scholar
2008-04-03 14:29 < enok|walker> oh sweet www.shmoogle.org
2008-04-03 14:30 < Antibuddha> hey, do you guys think doctor kevorkian actually enjoyed his execution?
2008-04-03 14:30 < Antibuddha> i can imagine that hannibal character hissing with joy as his consciousness faded
2008-04-03 14:30 < gwern> 'Here’s the basic problem: you’re writing a text editor. Stop doing that. It’s 2007. Saying to yourself “I’m gonna build my own text editor” is as silly as saying “I’m gonna build my own build system” or “I’m gonna build my own amusement park.” Blackjack and hookers and all that. Writing a great text editor is insanely difficult. There is a certain class of software that sounds easy but is actually insanely ...
2008-04-03 14:30 < bumm13> "A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred."
2008-04-03 14:30 < gwern> ... difficult. I call it “garden path software.” If I ever start a software company, I’ll name it “Garden Path Software,” but until then, just stop.'
2008-04-03 14:30 < bumm13> :P
2008-04-03 14:31 < Antibuddha> i want to make an ISO program called ISOpowerful
2008-04-03 14:31 < Antibuddha> but that requires me to learn many things such as what iso stands for and how to program
2008-04-03 14:31 < geniice> I want an open source text reader
2008-04-03 14:32 < geniice> with pony
2008-04-03 14:32 < enok|walker> I wish I knew this programmering stuff then I make my own programs to do all the obscure tasks I want done :/
2008-04-03 14:32 < bumm13> ok, I now just mistyped shmoogle's URL as .com and got "Shmoogle - your jewish source" :#
2008-04-03 14:33 * bumm13 recreates the .org error using K-Meleon
2008-04-03 14:34 < enok|walker> Now I need to remember why I needed a google randomizer in the first place
2008-04-03 14:34 < geniice> tried to learn a bit programing a few times but due to messing around with BASIC have a hard time thinking without numbered lines
2008-04-03 14:34 < enok|walker> oh tits brb
2008-04-03 14:36 < Golbez> ooh, the burj dubai is now the world's tallest structure? nice
2008-04-03 14:38 < Demi> you and that burj dubai
2008-04-03 14:38 < Golbez> Demi- i'm a skyscraper geek, what can i say
2008-04-03 14:39 < enok|walker> OK now I remember, I'm so uninspired for things to write about that I am looking for a way to randomly search google scholar
2008-04-03 14:39 < Working_Cat> god.. 'burj dubai' always reminds me of burji
2008-04-03 14:39 < geniice> Golbez has been for a while just not completed so doesn't ccount
2008-04-03 14:39 < Working_Cat> which is like an indian version of scrambled eggs
2008-04-03 14:39 < Golbez> geniice- no it hasn't
2008-04-03 14:39 < bumm13> it always reminds me of Benji
2008-04-03 14:39 < Golbez> it's been taller than the CN Tower for a while
2008-04-03 14:39 < Working_Cat> a lot more yummy and spicy :D
2008-04-03 14:39 < Golbez> but it apparently just got taller than the KVLY-TV mast in the last few days
2008-04-03 14:39 < bumm13> mmm, Indian food.....
2008-04-03 14:40 < Working_Cat> worlds tallest strucutre?
2008-04-03 14:40 < Golbez> i don't know if it's taller than the Warsawa mast yet
2008-04-03 14:40 < Golbez> and geniice, it doesn't matter if it's not completed yet, it's still the world's tallest structure. =p
2008-04-03 14:40 < bumm13> that radio mast in North Dakota, USA?
2008-04-03 14:40 < Golbez> yeah
2008-04-03 14:40 < Working_Cat> whatever happened to Petronas and Taipei 101
2008-04-03 14:40 < Golbez> now it's not the world's tallest *building* yet but it will be when finished
2008-04-03 14:40 < Working_Cat> or is that a different category
2008-04-03 14:40 < Golbez> Working_Cat- left in Dubai's dust about 350 meters ago
2008-04-03 14:40 < bumm13> those are buildings ;)
2008-04-03 14:40 < Working_Cat> ahhh see
2008-04-03 14:41 < Golbez> Taipei 101 = 509m, 101 floors
2008-04-03 14:41 < Working_Cat> isnt the burj hotel a building too?
2008-04-03 14:41 < Golbez> CN Tower = 553m
2008-04-03 14:41 < Working_Cat> oooo
2008-04-03 14:41 < Darth_Oompy> Hello.
2008-04-03 14:41 < Golbez> KVLY-TV mast = 628m
2008-04-03 14:41 < bumm13> hi
2008-04-03 14:42 < Golbez> Burj Dubai at last check = 630m, approximately 150 floors complete
2008-04-03 14:42 < Golbez> Burj Dubai at final height = ~800m, around 170 floors, sometime late this year
2008-04-03 14:42 < Golbez> "The one and only remaining record to be broken is the height of the collapsed Warsaw radio mast, which used to be 646.38 metres tall until August 8. 1991 ."
2008-04-03 14:43 * Working_Cat <3 s Skidmore, Owings and Merrill (SOM)
2008-04-03 14:43 < Messedrocker> i evaluated the article on lemons
2008-04-03 14:43 < Messedrocker> and gave it a D
2008-04-03 14:43 < Messedrocker> not because it was poorly written
2008-04-03 14:43 < Messedrocker> but because it very infrequently cites its sources
2008-04-03 14:43 < Messedrocker> EDITORS BEWARE
2008-04-03 14:43 < Demi> sour pumpkins, man
2008-04-03 14:43 < Golbez> Working_Cat- the Burj al Arab is the world's tallest hotel, yeah, a short distance from the Burj Dubai
2008-04-03 14:43 < HumbertHumbert> Seriously. You MUST make the redirections actually redirect. I can't begin to count the number of times I have to manually edit the URL when pasting it somewhere else. Or, if this is out of the question, AT LEAST link to the proper article in the title or something. (I am talking about how there is no actual HTTP redirect when it "redirects" internally, leaving the URL ugly.)
2008-04-03 14:44 < Golbez> in fact
2008-04-03 14:44 < Golbez> here's a picture with both: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/liver4eva/New%20SSC/2008/April/April%202%20Marina%20and%20PJ/Photo19.jpg
2008-04-03 14:44 < Working_Cat> Golbez: i realized that yeah. i mixed the two up. since after hearing 'Burj' only thing i can think of is food.
2008-04-03 14:44 < Golbez> you can see the burj dubai in the distance on the right
2008-04-03 14:44 < Messedrocker> 64.5% to be exact
2008-04-03 14:44 < Darth_Oompy> I'm not... really...
2008-04-03 14:44 < Golbez> HumbertHumbert- ask that in #wikimedia-tech, maybe they have info or something
2008-04-03 14:45 < Working_Cat> Golbez: saw that. its cool.
2008-04-03 14:45 < Golbez> http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3439/98112438ph4.jpg
2008-04-03 14:45 < Golbez> and that's only at its *current* height
2008-04-03 14:45 < Golbez> it'll be another ~200m taller when it's done
2008-04-03 14:45 * Mike_H NP: Andy Gibb - (Our Love) Don't Throw It All Away (1978)
2008-04-03 14:46 < Demi> how high will it be when it falls over?
2008-04-03 14:46 < Golbez> wah this even makes me dizzy, a photo from the top: http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2008/Inside_the_Burj_Dubai/burj_dubai038.jpg
2008-04-03 14:46 < NotACow> http://static.pyrzqxgl.org/38x77.jpg < heh
2008-04-03 14:46 < Golbez> haha, they have a sign on the 140th floor taunting Taipei 101: http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2008/Inside_the_Burj_Dubai/burj_dubai117.jpg
2008-04-03 14:47 < NotACow> first person to guess what that is gets a cookie
2008-04-03 14:47 < Golbez> my first guess would be some river system, second guess is some organ or tissue or something
2008-04-03 14:47 < Working_Cat> heh, makes empire state look like 7 WTC
2008-04-03 14:47 < NotACow> Golbez: WHICH river system :)
2008-04-03 14:48 < Golbez> my first thought was the chesapeake bay
2008-04-03 14:48 < NotACow> close
2008-04-03 14:48 < Golbez> second is eastern North Carolina
2008-04-03 14:48 < NotACow> not as close
2008-04-03 14:49 < NotACow> it's the lower potomac; washington is in the upper right corner
2008-04-03 14:49 < Golbez> gah i was going to say 'chesapeake/potomac/james'
2008-04-03 14:49 < Golbez> is north up?
2008-04-03 14:49 < NotACow> yes
2008-04-03 14:49 < enok|walker> dang I can't create an account
2008-04-03 14:50 < NotACow> that's actually 38 to 39 n, 77 to 78 w
2008-04-03 14:50 < NotACow> the weird white square is a section of the potomac that has been dredged to below sea level
2008-04-03 14:50 < Golbez> ok so right at the top right, is where it splits into the potomac and anacostia?
2008-04-03 14:50 < NotACow> Golbez: i think so, yes
2008-04-03 14:51 < enok|walker> This blows, I need a new accountzor
2008-04-03 14:51 < NotACow> the river at the bottom is the james, and the chesapeake is off the right edge.
2008-04-03 14:51 < Golbez> SO I WAS RIGHT
2008-04-03 14:51 < Golbez> it WAS the James!
2008-04-03 14:51 < Golbez> I should get a cookie.
2008-04-03 14:51 < NotACow> i think so
2008-04-03 14:51 * NotACow is playing with the USGS database
2008-04-03 14:51 < enok|walker> bye fuckfaces
2008-04-03 14:51 < bumm13> ...
2008-04-03 14:52 < ST47> ...
2008-04-03 14:52 < Working_Cat> ...
2008-04-03 14:52 < Working_Cat> too late?
2008-04-03 14:52 < bumm13> may as well ban AOL then ;p
2008-04-03 14:52 < Golbez> er wait no, the james empties out into the bay, nowhere near the potomac
2008-04-03 14:52 < Golbez> that might be the York River
2008-04-03 14:52 < ST47> That's true
2008-04-03 14:52 * ST47 bans aOL
2008-04-03 14:52 < Golbez> or no, the Rappahannock
2008-04-03 14:52 * NotASpy bans ST47
2008-04-03 14:53 < Golbez> yes, I think it's the Rappahannock
2008-04-03 14:53 < NotACow> Golbez: i'm not terribly good at virginia rivers
2008-04-03 14:54 < Golbez> i thought it was a wider view, which would make the james possible, but that goes through Richmond I think
2008-04-03 14:54 < Golbez> either way, cookie pls.
2008-04-03 14:54 < NotACow> Golbez: you can download elevation maps of the US at 30 meter resolution now
2008-04-03 14:54 < NotASpy> NotACow: don't let that stop you from wading right in...
2008-04-03 14:54 < Golbez> nice
2008-04-03 14:54 < NotACow> Golbez: hell, i think they have them down to like 5 meter resolution
2008-04-03 14:54 < NotACow> that image was generated from a 1 arc-second DEM
2008-04-03 14:57 < Mike_H> NotACow: :(
2008-04-03 14:58 < Mike_H> summer's come early
2008-04-03 14:58 < Mike_H> Current conditions as of 3:40 pm EDT
2008-04-03 14:58 < Mike_H> Partly Cloudy
2008-04-03 14:58 < Mike_H> Feels Like:
2008-04-03 14:58 < Mike_H> 91��
2008-04-03 14:58 < ST47> >.>
2008-04-03 14:59 < bumm13> Mike_H: head to northerly lands :-)
2008-04-03 14:59 < NotACow> http://static.pyrzqxgl.org/EN61ev.jpg
2008-04-03 14:59 < NotACow> Mike_H: nice weather
2008-04-03 14:59 < Paine> serious question time
2008-04-03 14:59 < NotACow> that's a much smaller image :)
2008-04-03 14:59 < Paine> would you hit it: http://moezilla.newsvine.com/_news/2008/04/03/1408695-beauty-queen-dares-not-to-be-thin
2008-04-03 14:59 * NotACow hits Paine
2008-04-03 15:00 < NotACow> Paine: dude, she's jailbait.
2008-04-03 15:00 < Paine> 17 is legal here
2008-04-03 15:00 < Working_Cat> 176@jailbait is crap
2008-04-03 15:01 < Working_Cat> atleast she should wait till 25 to go 150+
2008-04-03 15:01 < Gracenotes> NotACow: it's Britain, tho
2008-04-03 15:01 < yetifoot> is there some way to see what powers an admin has, like checkuser, oversight, etc ?
2008-04-03 15:02 < Mbimmler> [[Special:Listusers/NAME]]
2008-04-03 15:02 < NotACow> why?
2008-04-03 15:02 < NotACow> she looks fine to me
2008-04-03 15:02 < yetifoot> Mbimmler, thanks
2008-04-03 15:02 < yetifoot> wow, not as many people have checkuser as i expected
2008-04-03 15:03 < Working_Cat> NotACow: tricks of photography
2008-04-03 15:03 < Working_Cat> im sure she cute... but 176
2008-04-03 15:03 < Working_Cat> even im not 176
2008-04-03 15:03 < Working_Cat> and im 6'1
2008-04-03 15:03 < NotACow> Working_Cat: dude, my gf is 300+. i don't ahve a problem with it :)
2008-04-03 15:03 < Working_Cat> NotACow: <Cow joke suppressed>
2008-04-03 15:03 < lucasbfr> Working_Cat: and in cm and kgs?
2008-04-03 15:04 < bumm13> lucasbfr: google.com :-)
2008-04-03 15:04 < lucasbfr> too lazy :P
2008-04-03 15:04 < geniice> 12.5 stone
2008-04-03 15:04 < bumm13> *shrug*
2008-04-03 15:04 < Working_Cat> 185cm
2008-04-03 15:04 < geniice> hmm
2008-04-03 15:04 < Working_Cat> kgs... dunno
2008-04-03 15:04 < lucasbfr> 176 = roughly 80 kgs I immagine
2008-04-03 15:05 < Working_Cat> i suppose yeah
2008-04-03 15:05 < yetifoot> 2.2 pounds to the kg, 14 pounds to the stone IIRC
2008-04-03 15:05 < lucasbfr> 2.2? that many?
2008-04-03 15:05 < NotACow> yup
2008-04-03 15:05 < Paine> Oh... my god.
2008-04-03 15:05 < Paine> Totally no longer hittable
2008-04-03 15:05 < Paine> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/ChloeBikiniHELLO_468x840.jpg
2008-04-03 15:05 < yetifoot> lol
2008-04-03 15:05 < bumm13> 80 kg exactly
2008-04-03 15:05 < Paine> Jebus.
2008-04-03 15:05 < lucasbfr> Paine: irk
2008-04-03 15:05 < Paine> What has been seen cannot be unseen.
2008-04-03 15:06 < yetifoot> hah, nice image
2008-04-03 15:06 < yetifoot> she;s 17?
2008-04-03 15:06 < Working_Cat> im thinking thats not worksafe
2008-04-03 15:06 < Working_Cat> so not clicking.
2008-04-03 15:06 < yetifoot> it's just a bikini shot
2008-04-03 15:06 < yetifoot> and it's the daily mail, they only post boobs if it's about breast cancer or something
2008-04-03 15:06 < lucasbfr> hahaha
2008-04-03 15:07 < lucasbfr> that's a good quote
2008-04-03 15:07 < Paine> Cue the "DO NOT WANT" pics.
2008-04-03 15:07 < Messedrocker> NotACow, i got tired of waiting for a new Wikipedia Quality post so I made one of my own
2008-04-03 15:07 < ST47> rekab1: Hello there
2008-04-03 15:07 < rekab1> Guys I need to get a Good Article superquick can you help me
2008-04-03 15:07 < Working_Cat> NotACow: see... she totally blows out like a bloob absorber below ribs
2008-04-03 15:07 < ST47> Why yes, you may evade my ban
2008-04-03 15:07 < Messedrocker> NotACow, for your reviews, how much weight have you been putting on citing sources?
2008-04-03 15:07 < Working_Cat> blood*
2008-04-03 15:07 < ST47> On the condition that you not call us fuckfaces
2008-04-03 15:07 < nsh> yo!
2008-04-03 15:07 < nsh> when is the democratic candidate nonsense going to finish?
2008-04-03 15:08 * nsh is getting bored of waiting
2008-04-03 15:08 < yetifoot> when obama gets shot by the kkk
2008-04-03 15:08 < ST47> nsh: At the convention, or sooner
2008-04-03 15:08 < lucasbfr> when they go in the mud
2008-04-03 15:08 < Working_Cat> nsh: not anytime soon apparently.
2008-04-03 15:08 < nsh> when's that?
2008-04-03 15:08 < ST47> August?
2008-04-03 15:08 < yetifoot> for nonsense, i prefer the republicans
2008-04-03 15:08 < nsh> meh
2008-04-03 15:08 < nsh> that's a brazillion miles away
2008-04-03 15:08 < Paine> Working_Cat: you were right about the tricks of photography, yerch
2008-04-03 15:09 < nsh> can't someone just shoot/debotox/unmask-in-public hillary?
2008-04-03 15:09 < ST47> Miles are not a measure of time
2008-04-03 15:09 < Phoenix-wiki> wouldn't it be great if we brought in a blanket ban on userboxes that have anyting to with religion or politics?
2008-04-03 15:09 < ST47> Days are a measure of time
2008-04-03 15:09 < ST47> It's probably more than 100 days and less than 200
2008-04-03 15:09 < Phoenix-wiki> too much drama with them
2008-04-03 15:09 < rekab1> "wouldn't it be great if we brought in a blanket ban on userboxes" <-- yes
2008-04-03 15:09 < nsh> you don't tell me what measures what
2008-04-03 15:09 < Working_Cat> NotACow: what? ure a les and not the cool kinds?
2008-04-03 15:09 < nsh> you don't have a degree in measureology
2008-04-03 15:10 < yetifoot> but if they were blocked, how would i know who to contact when i need puppets
2008-04-03 15:10 < Phoenix-wiki> lol
2008-04-03 15:10 < rekab1> durn myspace kiddies
2008-04-03 15:10 < ST47> rekab1: I can unban your primary nickname if you can confirm that you understand basic civiliry
2008-04-03 15:10 < nsh> are there no more primaries?
2008-04-03 15:10 < Demi> there are more
2008-04-03 15:10 < Phoenix-wiki> some userboxes are useful, ofr example I have one that says if I'm logged in or not
2008-04-03 15:10 < ST47> nsh: There are like 10
2008-04-03 15:10 < Demi> mine, for example
2008-04-03 15:10 < ST47> Notably pennsylvania
2008-04-03 15:10 < nsh> when's that?
2008-04-03 15:10 < ST47> In a few weeks
2008-04-03 15:11 < nsh> oh cool
2008-04-03 15:11 < Phoenix-wiki> rekab1 = enok|walker, he;s fine
2008-04-03 15:11 < nsh> enough delegates for a potentially conclusive result?
2008-04-03 15:11 < yetifoot> heh, delegates don't stop people, ron paul has about 1000 less than mccain, but he's still in the game :P
2008-04-03 15:12 < nsh> right..
2008-04-03 15:12 < morwen> he's dead
2008-04-03 15:12 < morwen> it's just the body hasn't stopped moving yet
2008-04-03 15:12 < Messedrocker> http://voice-of-resolution.blogspot.com/2008/04/wikipedia-quality-lemon.html
2008-04-03 15:12 < Demi> mccain? paul?
2008-04-03 15:12 < yetifoot> i really hope the paul guys manage to fix the delegates, like some of them have been trying, it would be great the 'truth and justice' candidate winning by gaming the weak system
2008-04-03 15:12 < morwen> yetifoot: heh
2008-04-03 15:12 < Golbez> mmm paul
2008-04-03 15:13 < Golbez> yetifoot- i was hoping for paul to get enough delegates to force a brokered convention :(
2008-04-03 15:13 < yetifoot> unlikely, but apparently, the paul guys numbers are so big they are trying entering stuff into the rules, like making delegates non-binding
2008-04-03 15:14 < nsh> at what stage in the process does the law come in?
2008-04-03 15:14 < nsh> that is, at the moment, the parties can do what they want
2008-04-03 15:14 < nsh> but at some stage there's the official election process
2008-04-03 15:14 < Demi> when the supreme court picks the next president.
2008-04-03 15:15 < nsh> but don't they themselves have to follow some legal protocol?
2008-04-03 15:15 < nsh> or just convention?
2008-04-03 15:15 < yetifoot> i dunno, the whole delegates, and electoral college stuff just smells like two huge breaches in the system
2008-04-03 15:15 < morwen> nsh: i have yet to see a coherent explanation of how the primary system developed
2008-04-03 15:15 < nsh> you can't breach a fishnet
2008-04-03 15:15 < yetifoot> two disconnects from the public vote
2008-04-03 15:15 < Demi> the electoral college is an unnecessary evil
2008-04-03 15:15 < morwen> state legislatures set voting dates?
2008-04-03 15:15 < bumm13> indeed
2008-04-03 15:15 < morwen> and then the national party decides to ignore them?
2008-04-03 15:15 < morwen> eh?
2008-04-03 15:16 < morwen> what the fuck is the state legislature doing setting the dates in the first place?
2008-04-03 15:16 * nsh feels more and more that the whole shebang is a joke/diversion/show
2008-04-03 15:16 < bumm13> it is idiotic
2008-04-03 15:16 < bumm13> it potentially undermines the entire system in its early stages
2008-04-03 15:16 < yetifoot> heh, this is too deep, i better go read prisonplanet to find out the 'real truth'
2008-04-03 15:16 < nsh> yeah mang
2008-04-03 15:16 < bumm13> (as we've seen with the DNC-Florida/Michigan fiasco)
2008-04-03 15:17 * nsh hums thatguy theme music
2008-04-03 15:17 < thatguy> noooooooooooooo
2008-04-03 15:17 < yetifoot> heh, the banhammer is fast round here
2008-04-03 15:17 < nsh> it's springloaded
2008-04-03 15:17 < nsh> and well greased
2008-04-03 15:17 < yetifoot> lol
2008-04-03 15:17 < MZMcBride> Lots of experience. ;)
2008-04-03 15:17 < nsh> with the blood of a thousand workers
2008-04-03 15:18 < nsh> mmmm, worker blood
2008-04-03 15:20 < Demi> bbl, need to run out for food
2008-04-03 15:20 < Pilotguy> ./whois Bill Clinton
2008-04-03 15:21 < yetifoot> the whole bill clinton thing meant it was a great time to cheat on my wife, she was such a staunch support /larry david
2008-04-03 15:22 < geniice> 3263827
2008-04-03 15:22 < ST47> oh my, look, it's someone under cover
2008-04-03 15:22 < ST47> I wonder who it is
2008-04-03 15:22 < nsh> guys
2008-04-03 15:22 < yetifoot> woah, don't blow an agents deep cover, that's a terrorist offence now
2008-04-03 15:22 < nsh> i have had to reveal my secret identity, to bring you this vitally important bit of news
2008-04-03 15:22 < ST47> Go ahead
2008-04-03 15:22 < nsh> be careful, it may shatter your reality
2008-04-03 15:22 < ST47> We'll arrest you afterwards.
2008-04-03 15:23 < geniice> http://www.extrememortman.com/ive-no-idea-how-to-categorize-this-one/dorkiest-wikipedia-ever-single-word-sentences/
2008-04-03 15:23 < nsh> there are not carrots in heaven.
2008-04-03 15:23 < ST47> *gasp*
2008-04-03 15:23 < nsh> and there are not cabbage either
2008-04-03 15:23 < ST47> geniice: why is that a redirect?
2008-04-03 15:23 < nsh> but i think everyone suspected that
2008-04-03 15:23 < geniice> ST47 number of a garbage compactor
2008-04-03 15:24 < yetifoot> i guess i am not geek enough to know the relation of death star and 3263827
2008-04-03 15:24 < geniice> ST47 pure numbers should be years though per MOS
2008-04-03 15:24 < Golbez> geniice lol
2008-04-03 15:24 < ST47> Is it a fairly popular/well known number?
2008-04-03 15:24 < Paine> http://thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article992387.ece
2008-04-03 15:24 < Paine> kinky bastard
2008-04-03 15:25 < geniice> ST47 11 K results on google
2008-04-03 15:25 < yetifoot> 'The Sun'.... would that could as a reliable source?
2008-04-03 15:25 < yetifoot> count*
2008-04-03 15:25 < geniice> 3263827 "death star" 396
2008-04-03 15:25 < geniice> yetifoot not normaly
2008-04-03 15:25 < ST47> prodded
2008-04-03 15:25 < yetifoot> would wiki block those papers, the sun, the daily mail, the express, etc, i would hope so
2008-04-03 15:26 < yetifoot> i remember the classic daily mail front page, about vegetables causing cancer
2008-04-03 15:27 < geniice> yetifoot they do
2008-04-03 15:27 < yetifoot> knowing modern 'science' i could probably find some RS for that claim with enough trawling though i guess
2008-04-03 15:27 < geniice> yetifoot da look into some of the anti-oxidant research
2008-04-03 15:28 < yetifoot> well, i feel they may do, in the same way just about everything gives you cancer, i don't think it should be front page, it's just alarmist crap
2008-04-03 15:29 < yetifoot> hmm, i wonder if the wiki article on vegetables has the cancer link, as the research is there, maybe it should be added if not, i will check
2008-04-03 15:30 < yetifoot> hmm, looks like it's in the broccoli article, but another articles seems to state the anti cancer properties of vegetables
2008-04-03 15:30 < nsh> goddamnit
2008-04-03 15:30 < nsh> how do you kill all ants in a thirty yard radius?
2008-04-03 15:30 < nsh> i could live with them on the floor
2008-04-03 15:30 < nsh> i got used to them on the tables
2008-04-03 15:30 < nsh> i even put up with them on the sink
2008-04-03 15:30 < geniice> nsh very big kettle
2008-04-03 15:30 < nsh> but when i have to pick them off my goddamnfood
2008-04-03 15:31 < nsh> i'm putting my foot down
2008-04-03 15:31 < yetifoot> hmm, the Cruciferous_vegetables states the anti-cancer link, but brocolli falls into that catagory it seems
2008-04-03 15:31 < nsh> i don't even have a kettle :-/
2008-04-03 15:31 < Working_Cat> nsh: yeah. that will kill them
2008-04-03 15:31 < Working_Cat> put your foot down
2008-04-03 15:31 * nsh chuckles
2008-04-03 15:31 < nsh> this is not a laughing matter
2008-04-03 15:31 < nsh> a chuckling matter, maybe
2008-04-03 15:31 < Working_Cat> yetifoot: i've heard crap bout broccoli being good against cancer
2008-04-03 15:31 < nsh> but mostly an indiscrimately killing matter
2008-04-03 15:31 < Working_Cat> well...
2008-04-03 15:31 < geniice> nsh hmm put ant powerder around whatwever you want to protect and double sided tape on your table legs
2008-04-03 15:31 < Working_Cat> flamethrower...
2008-04-03 15:31 < yetifoot> ah, old version of article or something, the current article says anti-cancer
2008-04-03 15:32 < Working_Cat> and use the ant baits
2008-04-03 15:32 < nsh> these all sound like american solutions
2008-04-03 15:32 < yetifoot> i'm calling PETA on you guys
2008-04-03 15:32 < Working_Cat> and ant chalks - i dunno if theyre available where u are
2008-04-03 15:32 < nsh> which is to say, solutions where you have to spend money
2008-04-03 15:32 < nsh> i'm thinking more of third-world solutions
2008-04-03 15:32 < nsh> no consumerism required
2008-04-03 15:33 < Working_Cat> nsh: find their hole and seal it.
2008-04-03 15:33 < yetifoot> do PETA actively engage in the ant genocide cause?
2008-04-03 15:33 < Working_Cat> the hole from which they come out in droves
2008-04-03 15:33 < Working_Cat> yetifoot: im sure u'll find enough nutcases to makes nsh miserable
2008-04-03 15:33 * nsh tries to think of something sealy
2008-04-03 15:33 < yetifoot> Working_Cat, hah, yeah
2008-04-03 15:33 < nsh> any peta member is enough to make me miserable
2008-04-03 15:33 < nsh> DIE FUCKING ANTS
2008-04-03 15:33 < nsh> brb
2008-04-03 15:34 < yetifoot> i can find supporters for anything thanks to the internet
2008-04-03 15:34 < yetifoot> usually i just use wikipedia pages to promote my crackpot theories
2008-04-03 15:36 < Working_Cat> yetifoot: foot in mouth.
2008-04-03 15:36 < snowolf> hiya Cbrown
2008-04-03 15:37 < yetifoot> foot and mouth? created by the NSA and jews, clearly, in order to institude the FEMA camps and new world order
2008-04-03 15:38 < HumbertHumbert> Seriously. You MUST make the redirections actually redirect. I can't begin to count the number of times I have to manually edit the URL when pasting it somewhere else. Or, if this is out of the question, AT LEAST link to the proper article in the title or something. (I am talking about how there is no actual HTTP redirect when it "redirects" internally, leaving the URL ugly.)
2008-04-03 15:39 < snowolf> uh?
2008-04-03 15:39 < geniice> I think you want #mediawiki
2008-04-03 15:39 < geniice> they call this close up?
2008-04-03 15:39 < geniice> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Desert.locust.arp.jpg
2008-04-03 15:39 < yetifoot> geniice, that's a cool picture
2008-04-03 15:40 < geniice> yetifoot I'ver got a bigger one
2008-04-03 15:40 < geniice> oh and never try and use a dead locust as a stand in for a live one
2008-04-03 15:41 < morwen> geniice: i hear the locusts union get pissed off if you do that
2008-04-03 15:41 < yetifoot> hehe, i've never actually been in a situation where that was needed.... now the whole weekend at bernies idea, i've used that many times
2008-04-03 15:42 < kibble> heya snow
2008-04-03 15:42 < geniice> morwen they will need to get better and standing up to choloform poisening before I worry about that
2008-04-03 15:42 < yetifoot> man 'locusts union' is such a good phrase, makes me think of 'locust union busters' and so on
2008-04-03 15:44 < modargo> is there a good way to download a subset of the wikipedia articles (including revisions, and that stuff)? i found the link to download all of wikipedia, but there's so much data there that i just can't store all of it on what i have available
2008-04-03 15:44 < geniice> yetifoot that would be a dish of choloform soaked cotten whool. Takes about 30 seconds
2008-04-03 15:44 < geniice> modargo how many and how many revisions?
2008-04-03 15:44 < yetifoot> geniice, do the locusts put up a fight?
2008-04-03 15:45 < modargo> ideally, a couple thousand, and the full history
2008-04-03 15:45 < geniice> yetifoot about 5 seconds of frantic running around
2008-04-03 15:45 < geniice> modargo yes how long are the histories
2008-04-03 15:45 < modargo> varying length; i'm not looking for any particular subset of articles, just a good bunch to run some machine learning stuff on
2008-04-03 15:46 < yetifoot> run the machine learning on talk pages, and learn about the irrationality of mankind
2008-04-03 15:46 < Antibuddha> what do you guys think of this deal http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?reconfigure=true&vw=list&cart=ActiveCart&id=fb0eabe4-efa3-4303-a562-ed71f1604f17&ecomm=ecomm2.dell.com&c=us&l=en&cs=19&pg=review
2008-04-03 15:46 < geniice> modargo then chose a wikipedia in a language other than english
2008-04-03 15:46 < Antibuddha> wait is my link working
2008-04-03 15:47 < yetifoot> Antibuddha, Error encountered
2008-04-03 15:47 < Antibuddha> sorry
2008-04-03 15:47 < Antibuddha> hmm i wonder how i can link it, i saw someone do it on a website
2008-04-03 15:47 < yetifoot> 'activecart' i guess that is a url only for you while logged in or something
2008-04-03 15:47 < modargo> no other way than that? we don't know any other languages particularly well, would prefer english
2008-04-03 15:48 < yetifoot> could you get an older version of the database modargo ? before it got too huge?
2008-04-03 15:49 < yetifoot> or maybe the V1.0 CD or whatever it was, i don't know if that was actually done, but that would mean it's only 700mb or so of data, i guess then it's a poor cross section though
2008-04-03 15:50 < Antibuddha> ok i think you guys can see this it worked for me when i logged out http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/print_summary_details_popup.aspx?~lt=print&c=us&cart=ActiveCart&cs=19&ecomm=ecomm2.dell.com&fb=1&id=fb0eabe4-efa3-4303-a562-ed71f1604f17&l=en&oc=dddadgx&vw=list&leadtime=4/11/2008&showleadtime=True
2008-04-03 15:50 < modargo> did the cd have article histories?
2008-04-03 15:50 < yetifoot> ah, yeah, sorry, i doubt it would have the histories
2008-04-03 15:50 < yetifoot> i don't know if there even exists a CD, i just know that was a project
2008-04-03 15:51 < Antibuddha> it has free shipping
2008-04-03 15:51 < geniice> modargo no no histories
2008-04-03 15:51 < ggreer> Antibuddha: are you lucky enough to live in a state where dell isn't? because no sales tax is even better
2008-04-03 15:52 < geniice> modargo is simple english an acceptable size?
2008-04-03 15:52 < yetifoot> hmm, having the 1.0 CD with no history, or talk pages would seem a bit poor to me, in any subject of controversy, i like to look at the histories and talk page as part of my reading
2008-04-03 15:52 < Antibuddha> i have to pay sales tax
2008-04-03 15:52 < Antibuddha> its like 45 bucks
2008-04-03 15:52 < ggreer> lame
2008-04-03 15:52 < Thehelpfulone2> Antibuddha - hmm, that's a strange nick :)
2008-04-03 15:52 < geniice> yetifoot the wikipedia for schools CD was aimed at schools and most stuck to non contiversal stuff
2008-04-03 15:53 < yetifoot> heh, i wonder if they included intelligent design
2008-04-03 15:53 < Antibuddha> someone called me a retard and said the comp i linked sucked