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2008-04-02 18:44 < TheWeasel> Well I woke up this morning/put on my leather pants/yes I woke up this morning/put on my leather pants/took a look at my woman's dirndl/leaving me was a promise for many lents
2008-04-02 18:44 < TheWeasel> (Bavaria Bluese)
2008-04-02 18:44 < TheWeasel> -e
2008-04-02 18:44 < ggreer> Messedrocker: who cares? I think that test is stupid
2008-04-02 18:44 < Lycurgus> falls flat on it's face in someplace like Russia or in China where educated people stopped believing in spirits and demons 2000 years or more ago.
2008-04-02 18:44 * Mike_H NP: Andy Gibb - (Our Love) Don't Throw It All Away (1978)
2008-04-02 18:44 < Mike_H> don't throw it all away
2008-04-02 18:44 < Mike_H> our love
2008-04-02 18:44 < Mike_H> our love
2008-04-02 18:44 < Mike_H> don't throw it all away our love
2008-04-02 18:44 < NotACow> Messedrocker: nope
2008-04-02 18:44 < Messedrocker> i'm really curious what would cause someone's calculations to be constantly off by 1.05 dB each time
2008-04-02 18:44 < TheWeasel> Don't throw your love away/cause you/might need it/some day
2008-04-02 18:45 < Lycurgus> gwern: right, endemic, sorry.
2008-04-02 18:45 < TheWeasel> Different song
2008-04-02 18:45 < TheWeasel> (Searchers, I think)
2008-04-02 18:45 < NotACow> BITE THE PEANUT
2008-04-02 18:45 < ggreer> NotACow: what certification was that test for again?
2008-04-02 18:45 < Mike_H> Andy Gibb was so dreamy.
2008-04-02 18:45 < Mike_H> Too bad he had to
2008-04-02 18:45 < Mike_H> like
2008-04-02 18:45 < Mike_H> die.
2008-04-02 18:45 < NotACow> ggreer: amateur extra
2008-04-02 18:45 < Lycurgus> *entrenched
2008-04-02 18:45 < TheWeasel> Not to mention like women.
2008-04-02 18:45 < TheWeasel> :-P
2008-04-02 18:45 < ggreer> that's some sort of ham license, right?
2008-04-02 18:45 < Demi> yeah, and not the kind you need to sell hams.
2008-04-02 18:45 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: He was related by blood to the Bee Gees. I'm sure he was heteroflexible at the very least.
2008-04-02 18:45 < TheWeasel> Heh, very likely
2008-04-02 18:46 < NotACow> ggreer: correct
2008-04-02 18:46 < NotACow> Demi: i have no interest in selling hams.
2008-04-02 18:46 < NotACow> :)
2008-04-02 18:46 < Lycurgus> everybody is at least microflexible
2008-04-02 18:46 < TheWeasel> all the terrible puns are taken!
2008-04-02 18:46 < ggreer> I just don't get what a bunch of those questions are for. it's almost like the FCC just wants people to jump through extra hoops to get that license
2008-04-02 18:46 < Lycurgus> doesn't take away your commitment to the home team
2008-04-02 18:46 < TheWeasel> "baconster" returns four results on Google
2008-04-02 18:46 < ggreer> kind of like california's handgun safety test
2008-04-02 18:46 < Demi> i'm so heterosexual i need to look through tubes when i have sex so i don't accidentally glimpse my own disgusting genitals
2008-04-02 18:46 < NotACow> ggreer: they're supposed to have something to do with your knowledge of RF electronics
2008-04-02 18:47 < Messedrocker> but NotACow, when operating a ham radio, do you actually need all that knowledge?
2008-04-02 18:47 < Mike_H> Demi: there there.
2008-04-02 18:47 < ggreer> yeah, what Messedrocker said
2008-04-02 18:47 * TheWeasel determines that the goal of proper inebriation has been almost met
2008-04-02 18:47 < Lycurgus> i'm so homosexual i'm really pretty self sufficient
2008-04-02 18:47 < Lycurgus> in that respect
2008-04-02 18:47 < gwern> Lycurgus: nice
2008-04-02 18:48 < NotACow> Messedrocker: operating? no. but you do need it to modify equipment, or build your own.
2008-04-02 18:48 < Lycurgus> gwern: thanks!
2008-04-02 18:48 * TheWeasel yawns
2008-04-02 18:48 < Messedrocker> ah
2008-04-02 18:48 < Messedrocker> that's a good reason to know the stuff then
2008-04-02 18:48 < ggreer> NotACow: so everyone who drives a car should be a mechanic?
2008-04-02 18:49 < TheWeasel> When I listen to Leslie, I sometimes get that feeling.
2008-04-02 18:49 < NotACow> ggreer: if you just want to drive the car, you can use a CB, or family radio, or GMRS.
2008-04-02 18:49 < Demi> it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure everyone who drove a car knew how to change tires, check and fill oil, have a basic mechanical understanding of how it works, fill tires, and that kind of thing.
2008-04-02 18:50 < NotACow> ggreer: amateur radio is supposed to advance the art, not just give people a place to pay
2008-04-02 18:50 < NotACow> er, play
2008-04-02 18:50 < ggreer> NotACow: it just seems like it's trying to be some sort of exclusive club
2008-04-02 18:50 < ggreer> art? it's radio signals
2008-04-02 18:50 < NotACow> ggreer: it is an exclusive club of sorts, but there are solid reasons for that.
2008-04-02 18:50 < NotACow> ggreer: "just radio signals"?
2008-04-02 18:51 < ggreer> yes, and only certain frequencies and modulations
2008-04-02 18:51 * TheWeasel allows RL amateur air traffic control
2008-04-02 18:51 < TheWeasel> "turn right now, that'll do, thanks..."
2008-04-02 18:51 < NotACow> ggreer: actually, in many bands you have a very wide range of modulations.
2008-04-02 18:52 < ggreer> TheWeasel: ham is just communication. obviously air traffic control is more important
2008-04-02 18:52 < TheWeasel> hmya.
2008-04-02 18:52 < Demi> there's nothing worse than a ham gone bad, though.
2008-04-02 18:52 < ggreer> hey wow, you can talk to other people and everybody in your club had to take a stupid test
2008-04-02 18:52 < NotACow> Demi: K1MAN? :)
2008-04-02 18:52 < ggreer> it's like mensa
2008-04-02 18:52 < TheWeasel> I guess it's just one of the fields where newbies get bitten
2008-04-02 18:53 < ggreer> I'm really just annoyed because ham radio operators can get their callsigns on their license plates
2008-04-02 18:53 < NotACow> ggreer: the test gets you access to spectrum. you don't have to talk to other people :)
2008-04-02 18:53 < NotACow> ggreer: hah.
2008-04-02 18:53 < Demi> yeah, and here in oregon they're the old-style "cool" license plates and not the dumb new ones
2008-04-02 18:53 < ggreer> NotACow: can I just run a spark gap machine instead of taking the test?
2008-04-02 18:53 < ggreer> Demi: yeah!
2008-04-02 18:53 < NotACow> ggreer: spark gap machines have been illegal since 1921.
2008-04-02 18:53 < Leslie_S> i am so sick of my mom ;/
2008-04-02 18:53 < Lycurgus> do ham operators still use analog equipment?
2008-04-02 18:54 < ggreer> wow, banned before automatic weapons
2008-04-02 18:54 < ggreer> they must have been really dangerous
2008-04-02 18:54 < NotACow> Lycurgus: uh, yes. and digital equipment too. :)
2008-04-02 18:54 < NotACow> ggreer: they really make a mess. lots of splatter, really hard to restrict.
2008-04-02 18:54 * TheWeasel thinks it's sad that shortwave radio is dying
2008-04-02 18:55 < ggreer> NotACow: I guess I'm biased. I take a cell jammer with me whenever I go any place besides work
2008-04-02 18:55 < ggreer> if somebody is being annoying, bam. end of conversation
2008-04-02 18:55 < NotACow> ggreer: wow, that's thoroughly illegal.
2008-04-02 18:55 < Leslie_S> ggreer I WANT ONE
2008-04-02 18:55 < kingturtle> don't worry, i am fixing it. but how can articles like [[John Geisse]] be sitting around for 18 months like that
2008-04-02 18:55 < Leslie_S> ggreer how do you make it?
2008-04-02 18:56 < ggreer> Leslie_S: I got it from some website that ships them from hong kong
2008-04-02 18:56 < ggreer> the package says "led flashlight" so it can get through customs
2008-04-02 18:56 < Leslie_S> lols
2008-04-02 18:56 < Leslie_S> whatd it cost?
2008-04-02 18:56 < Demi> whenever a call gets dropped, i assume a jammer is in effect and i spend fifteen minutes screaming "HELLO! HELLO?!" into the phone
2008-04-02 18:56 < compwhizii_> whats heppening
2008-04-02 18:56 < ggreer> NotACow: yes, but my blood pressure is so much lower
2008-04-02 18:56 < ggreer> Leslie_S: $50
2008-04-02 18:56 < ggreer> it kills all cell phones within 50-100ft
2008-04-02 18:57 * TheWeasel bothers to read the FA
2008-04-02 18:57 < Demi> i've seen people not only have their phone ring in a movie theater, but *take the call*, which i think is really beyond the pale
2008-04-02 18:57 < Leslie_S> Demi i went to a movie with this chick once....
2008-04-02 18:57 < ggreer> Demi: that is why I bought it. some guy did that and started swearing at me as soon as I asked him to finish his conversation
2008-04-02 18:57 < TheWeasel> I've been at burials where that happened.
2008-04-02 18:57 < Leslie_S> Demi not only did she do exactly that, but she did it MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THE MOVIE...
2008-04-02 18:58 < Messedrocker> TheWeasel, doing it at a burial is infinitely worse than at a movie
2008-04-02 18:58 < NotACow> ggreer: as long as it doesn't jam my 2m HT :)
2008-04-02 18:58 < TheWeasel> Then I got my decorum straight.
2008-04-02 18:58 < ggreer> NotACow: not to worry. it's maybe a 1 watt transmitter, and only from 800-1000mhz and 1800-2100mhz
2008-04-02 18:58 < ggreer> oh, and it gets 2.5Ghz devices as well
2008-04-02 18:59 < Leslie_S> NotACow hey, im starting to fail to pass as a guy. :D
2008-04-02 18:59 < Messedrocker> ggreer, you disrupt wifi! how dare thee!
2008-04-02 18:59 < ggreer> bluetooth and 802.11b/g die
2008-04-02 18:59 < ggreer> but 802.11a is fine
2008-04-02 18:59 < NotACow> heh
2008-04-02 18:59 < NotACow> but who uses 802.11a?
2008-04-02 18:59 < ggreer> well... I do
2008-04-02 18:59 < ggreer> and my work does
2008-04-02 19:00 < ggreer> all macbooks since... 2006 or so have 802.11a cards in them
2008-04-02 19:00 < Messedrocker> << 2006 MacBook \o/
2008-04-02 19:00 < ggreer> although I also run a .g network at home, because my iphone isn't .a
2008-04-02 19:00 * Not_the_NSA runs Messedrocker at home
2008-04-02 19:01 < Messedrocker> ggreer, iPhone! \o/
2008-04-02 19:01 < Messedrocker> ggreer, is yours in jail?
2008-04-02 19:01 < ggreer> Messedrocker: yes, because I'm using it for legit development
2008-04-02 19:01 < ggreer> like, xcode->use iphone for development
2008-04-02 19:01 < ggreer> any app that I have the source to I can build and transfer to it
2008-04-02 19:01 < Messedrocker> ggreer, good reason
2008-04-02 19:02 < ggreer> before the SDK it was jailbroken
2008-04-02 19:02 < ggreer> the thing that sucks about the SDK is that apps don't run as root anymore
2008-04-02 19:02 * TheWeasel yawns
2008-04-02 19:02 * TheWeasel 'll go anon
2008-04-02 19:02 < Messedrocker> ggreer, how much freedom is there re. the SDK?
2008-04-02 19:02 < TheWeasel> anon as in soon
2008-04-02 19:03 < ggreer> Messedrocker: two big disadvantages: 1. your app must exit when the home button is pressed and 2. there are no helper functions for quickly saving/resuming state
2008-04-02 19:04 < ggreer> that kills a lot of potential apps
2008-04-02 19:05 < Messedrocker> no helper functions for quickly saving/resuming state?
2008-04-02 19:05 < Messedrocker> that rules out emulators!
2008-04-02 19:05 < ggreer> for example, you can't have an IM client that just runs in the background and alerts when new IMs come in. every time you press the home button you have to sign out
2008-04-02 19:06 < Messedrocker> that's a load of crap.
2008-04-02 19:06 < ggreer> Messedrocker: no, I mean the user hits home and your program has to save whatever and exit. then it has to load state data to look like it never exited
2008-04-02 19:06 < ggreer> yeah, so jailbroken apps will still be big
2008-04-02 19:06 < TheWeasel> TheWeasel leaving your sector, request frequency change
2008-04-02 19:07 < NotACow> DEATH TO SECTORS
2008-04-02 19:08 < snowolf> hiya SJP!
2008-04-02 19:08 < SJP> hi
2008-04-02 19:08 < ggreer> also now that people can run any code they want as a local user on the iphone, jailbreaking will be super easy
2008-04-02 19:08 < ggreer> because any local exploit is a jailbreak
2008-04-02 19:09 * Messedrocker wipes NotACow's compact discs in concentric circles
2008-04-02 19:09 < Messedrocker> ggreer, when i jailbroke in december, it took like an hour
2008-04-02 19:09 < Messedrocker> when i re-jailbroke recently, it took five minutes
2008-04-02 19:09 * ST47 can never remember which way you're supposed to clean CDs
2008-04-02 19:09 < Messedrocker> ST47, radially
2008-04-02 19:10 < ggreer> Messedrocker: yeah, and every jailbreak exploit means another firmware update from apple
2008-04-02 19:10 < ggreer> they're fighting a losing battle
2008-04-02 19:10 < Messedrocker> they should just open up the FS FFS
2008-04-02 19:10 < ggreer> hmm? if you install a terminal you have full access to the file system
2008-04-02 19:10 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-04-02 19:10 < ggreer> it looks like a typical OS X file system
2008-04-02 19:10 < Messedrocker> and how do you install a terminal?
2008-04-02 19:10 < Messedrocker> jailbreaking
2008-04-02 19:11 < ggreer> yeah
2008-04-02 19:12 < Demi> i just rub the CDs on my belly
2008-04-02 19:12 < Demi> DVDs, too
2008-04-02 19:13 * Cream messes with ST47
2008-04-02 19:14 < TheWeasel> night chaps
2008-04-02 19:15 < Cream> ni ni TheWeasel
2008-04-02 19:15 < Cream> don't let the bed bugs bite
2008-04-02 19:15 < Cream> literally
2008-04-02 19:15 < TheWeasel> only lovingly.
2008-04-02 19:15 < Messedrocker> don't let the bed bugs paralyze!
2008-04-02 19:16 < NotACow> blwa
2008-04-02 19:25 < Leslie_S> NotACow i wish i could get into ham radio, but i really have much more important things to spend money on :/
2008-04-02 19:25 < Leslie_S> NotACow i think i have room to set up a pretty decent CB antenna here though. itd be a cross between a dipole and an inverted v, but i can get away with it, and nobody would even notice it.
2008-04-02 19:30 < ggreer> what is the point of a ham radio when you already have an internet connection?
2008-04-02 19:31 < Leslie_S> ggreer its fun.
2008-04-02 19:31 < ggreer> and in emergencies you would use an AM radio to receive information and a CB radio to talk to people nearby
2008-04-02 19:31 < Leslie_S> ggreer sigh.
2008-04-02 19:31 < ggreer> I don't know, I'd spend my money on something more exciting
2008-04-02 19:31 < Leslie_S> I'm not even going to fucking bother explaining this to morons.
2008-04-02 19:31 < ggreer> like a fast car or a fast bike
2008-04-02 19:31 < ggreer> really anything that goes fast
2008-04-02 19:31 < Leslie_S> CB is full of dipshits, and is extremely short range.
2008-04-02 19:32 < Leslie_S> and ham != internet.
2008-04-02 19:32 < Messedrocker> WE GOTTA GREAT BIG COOOOONVOOOOY
2008-04-02 19:32 < Messedrocker> etc.
2008-04-02 19:32 < Leslie_S> ggreer you know, that was almost like asking why i'd listen to the radio when we have TV>
2008-04-02 19:32 < Messedrocker> that song actually made fun of truckers
2008-04-02 19:32 < Messedrocker> :D
2008-04-02 19:32 < ggreer> Leslie_S: I don't listen to radio
2008-04-02 19:32 < ggreer> but I also don't watch TV except for a few torrents
2008-04-02 19:32 < Leslie_S> ggreer I personally hate TV, but thats besides the point. I listen to the radio because what else am i going to do while driving?
2008-04-02 19:32 < Leslie_S> My engine sounds obnoxious..
2008-04-02 19:33 < Leslie_S> i have XM radio infact.
2008-04-02 19:33 < ggreer> Leslie_S: well when I'm on my motorcycle I have earplugs because the wind noise is so loud
2008-04-02 19:33 < ggreer> and when I'm in my convertible there's that wind noise...
2008-04-02 19:33 < Leslie_S> ggreer It RAINS in my area.
2008-04-02 19:33 < ggreer> oh wow
2008-04-02 19:33 < ggreer> water falls from the sky?!
2008-04-02 19:33 < Leslie_S> you are a fucking idiot
2008-04-02 19:33 < ggreer> that is crazy man. how do you live?
2008-04-02 19:34 < Cream> i tought it was me pissing
2008-04-02 19:34 < Messedrocker> ggreer, not only that, but it falls up on occasion!
2008-04-02 19:34 * Leslie_S giggles at the other idiot
2008-04-02 19:34 < Messedrocker> and not only does it fall up, it does so while being INVISIBLE!
2008-04-02 19:34 < Cream> o really?
2008-04-02 19:34 < Cream> wait
2008-04-02 19:34 < Cream> O RLY?
2008-04-02 19:34 < NotACow> WRKLCH!
2008-04-02 19:34 < Gracenotes> D:
2008-04-02 19:34 < Leslie_S> NotACow stab? poke?
2008-04-02 19:34 < Messedrocker> NotACow stop announcing your call number
2008-04-02 19:34 < Messedrocker> or signal
2008-04-02 19:34 < Messedrocker> call letters!
2008-04-02 19:35 < Leslie_S> caller id?
2008-04-02 19:35 < Leslie_S> :p
2008-04-02 19:35 < Leslie_S> its a callsign.
2008-04-02 19:35 < Messedrocker> callsign!
2008-04-02 19:35 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-04-02 19:35 < Messedrocker> that is it
2008-04-02 19:35 < Leslie_S> it took me a minute to think of that too.
2008-04-02 19:35 < Leslie_S> I'm bored
2008-04-02 19:35 < Leslie_S> i think im gonna go see if i can string my cb antenna up
2008-04-02 19:35 < Leslie_S> im not sure if i have room.
2008-04-02 19:36 < ggreer> anyway, my point is that there are lots of hobbies that are more fun than talking on a radio
2008-04-02 19:36 < ggreer> especially in sunny california
2008-04-02 19:36 < Messedrocker> like sex?
2008-04-02 19:37 < ggreer> not really. the male:female ratio in the bay area is crazy high :/
2008-04-02 19:38 < Messedrocker> then it must be good to be gay
2008-04-02 19:38 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-04-02 19:38 < Messedrocker> that is, if you live in the bay area
2008-04-02 19:38 < Messedrocker> more like
2008-04-02 19:38 < Messedrocker> moar stfu
2008-04-02 19:38 < NotACow> Messedrocker: don't be silly
2008-04-02 19:38 < NotACow> WRKLCH is the deutscher equivalent of O RLY.
2008-04-02 19:39 < NotACow> i don't have a callsign yet, and when i do get one it will probably start with A, not W.
2008-04-02 19:39 < Messedrocker> A for Hamateur
2008-04-02 19:40 < NotACow> AC9QZ was the last group B assigned in region 9
2008-04-02 19:40 < Messedrocker> Qxz you say?
2008-04-02 19:40 < Messedrocker> Who remember Qxz!
2008-04-02 19:40 < gwern> oh pour oh pour the pirate sherry, brew oh brew the pirate brew!
2008-04-02 19:41 < gwern> Hurrah hurrah the pirate king, hurrah hurrah - the pirate king
2008-04-02 19:41 < NotACow> DEATH TO PIRATES!
2008-04-02 19:41 < NotACow> oh, wait
2008-04-02 19:41 < NotACow> DEATH BY PIRATES
2008-04-02 19:42 < NotACow> DEATH BY CHOCOLATE
2008-04-02 19:42 < NotACow> CHOCOLATE PIRATES OFF THE STARBOARD SERVER
2008-04-02 19:42 < Ceiling_Cat> RAMMING SPEED!
2008-04-02 19:42 * Ceiling_Cat runs at Messedrocker
2008-04-02 19:42 * Messedrocker jumps
2008-04-02 19:42 < The359> CHOCOLATE RAIN?!
2008-04-02 19:42 * Messedrocker shoots laser beams out of his eyes
2008-04-02 19:42 < gwern> BETTER BY FAR TO LIVE AND DIE...... A PIRATE KING!
2008-04-02 19:42 < Ceiling_Cat> IT'S RAINING MEN?
2008-04-02 19:42 < NotACow> IT'S RAINING CHOCOLATE BUNNIES!
2008-04-02 19:42 < The359> THE CHOCOLATE WHO WOULD BE KING?
2008-04-02 19:42 < Messedrocker> no, just 10THz gamma rays
2008-04-02 19:42 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: hallujah!
2008-04-02 19:43 < Ceiling_Cat> SO I STARTED PLAYING FIRE EMBLEM:RADIANT DAWN TODAY
2008-04-02 19:43 < Messedrocker> GRRRRREEAAAAT
2008-04-02 19:43 < Messedrocker> AAEEEETHERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
2008-04-02 19:43 < Ceiling_Cat> ME LIKEY. IT'S JUST THE KIND OF OLD-SCHOOL RPG THAT'S SO HARD TO FIND THESE DAYS
2008-04-02 19:43 < Messedrocker> I DISLIKE RPGs GREATLY
2008-04-02 19:43 < The359> NEEDS MOAR LOUD
2008-04-02 19:43 < Messedrocker> TOO MUCH WAIT WAIT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION TURN-BASED COMBAT
2008-04-02 19:44 < Ceiling_Cat> I'M PARTIAL TO TURN-BASED GAMES TOO - LESS CLICKY-CLICKY, MORE THINKING
2008-04-02 19:44 < NotACow> DEATH!
2008-04-02 19:44 * FastLizard4 notes the caps
2008-04-02 19:44 < FastLizard4> So what did I miss in my two day hiatus?
2008-04-02 19:44 < gwern> 'When I sally forth to seek my prey \ I help myself in a royal way: \ I sink a few more ships, it's true, \ Than a well-bred monarch ought to do; \ But many a king on a first-class throne, \ If he wants to call his crown his own, \ Must manage somehow to get through \ More dirty work than ever I do, Though I am a Pirate King. ;
2008-04-02 19:44 < The359> NOTING IS FORBIDDEN
2008-04-02 19:44 < ggreer> Messedrocker: actually terahertz rays are far infrared IIRC
2008-04-02 19:44 < NotACow> FastLizard4: MUCH INSANITY
2008-04-02 19:44 < gwern> FastLizard4: PIRATE KINGS!
2008-04-02 19:44 < FastLizard4> ...
2008-04-02 19:44 < Messedrocker> ggreer, nice
2008-04-02 19:44 < NotACow> ggreer: yeah, i was thinking that
2008-04-02 19:44 < Ceiling_Cat> FASTLIZARD - WE AGREED THAT THIS CHANNEL IS GOING TO BE ALL-CAPS BY DEFAULT
2008-04-02 19:44 < gwern> And it is, it is a glorious thing
2008-04-02 19:44 < gwern> To be a Pirate King!
2008-04-02 19:44 < Ceiling_Cat> ALL CAPS AND ALL CATZ TOO
2008-04-02 19:44 < Messedrocker> i forgot that radio stretched all the way up to GHz
2008-04-02 19:44 < The359> THE CHANNEL IS ON CRUISE CONTROL
2008-04-02 19:45 < gwern> FASTLIZARD$: WERE YOU NOT HERE THAT DAY>
2008-04-02 19:45 < NotACow> Messedrocker: yups
2008-04-02 19:45 * bumm13 stabs Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-02 19:45 < FastLizard4> gwern: I have been gone for the past two days
2008-04-02 19:45 < Messedrocker> I LIKE THE CHARACTER "IKE" FROM FIRE EMBLEM
2008-04-02 19:45 < Messedrocker> I LIKE IKE
2008-04-02 19:45 < FastLizard4> Enough caps now, it's not too funny now
2008-04-02 19:45 < Ceiling_Cat> But he's so bad at smash
2008-04-02 19:45 < Messedrocker> YOU KNOW IF YOU KICK ASS WITH "IKE" A CROWD BEGINS CHANTING "WE LIKE IKE WE LIKE IKE" TRUE STORY
2008-04-02 19:45 < NotACow> Messedrocker: did you forget your electromagnetic spectrum? http://xkcd.com/273/
2008-04-02 19:45 < Ceiling_Cat> my hatred for him carries over from that game
2008-04-02 19:45 * bumm13 stabs MessedRocker
2008-04-02 19:46 < Cream> CAPS CONTROL FOR CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
2008-04-02 19:46 < ggreer> I was totally right on the far infrared
2008-04-02 19:46 < gwern> MESSEDROCKER: DID YOU KNOW NATIONAL REVIEW DID NOT LIKE IKE> THEY SAID "WE PREFER IKE"
2008-04-02 19:46 < The359> KICK THE BABY
2008-04-02 19:46 < Ceiling_Cat> http://xkcd.com/403/
2008-04-02 19:46 < Ceiling_Cat> LOL
2008-04-02 19:46 * FastLizard4 tears out the caps lock key from everyones' keyboard
2008-04-02 19:47 < FastLizard4> Or is it "everyone's?"
2008-04-02 19:47 < Ceiling_Cat> FASTLIZARD4 - SAY IT LOUDER
2008-04-02 19:47 < Messedrocker> DON'T KICK THE BABY
2008-04-02 19:47 < Ceiling_Cat> NOBODY CAN HEAR YOU IF YOU DON'T SPEAK UP
2008-04-02 19:47 < The359> YOU FORGOT MINE
2008-04-02 19:47 < Cream> lots of <big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big>
2008-04-02 19:47 < bumm13> this is asinine
2008-04-02 19:47 < Ceiling_Cat> Sorry :P
2008-04-02 19:47 < gwern> FASTLIZARD$: YOU"LL TAKE AWAY MY SHIFT KEY OVER MY SUPINE BODY
2008-04-02 19:47 * Cream checks his edit count
2008-04-02 19:47 * FastLizard4 nukes gwern and takes shift key
2008-04-02 19:48 < The359> PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGER HOLDING IT DOWN
2008-04-02 19:48 < Cream> 978 edits!
2008-04-02 19:48 < bumm13> you n00b!
2008-04-02 19:48 < gwern> THE#%(: THAT"S THE SPIRIT
2008-04-02 19:48 * Ceiling_Cat steals gwern's innocence while he is distracted protecting his shift key
2008-04-02 19:48 < The359> Amateur
2008-04-02 19:48 * Ceiling_Cat gives gwern's innocence to cream
2008-04-02 19:48 * Cream gives gwern's innocence to Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-02 19:48 < Cream> bumm13, restarting editing
2008-04-02 19:48 < Ceiling_Cat> KIK'
2008-04-02 19:48 < Ceiling_Cat> LOL
2008-04-02 19:48 < The359> KEKEKEKE
2008-04-02 19:48 < bumm13> hiatus?
2008-04-02 19:48 < NotACow> kiki
2008-04-02 19:48 < NotACow> kikikikikikikikikikikik
2008-04-02 19:48 < Cream> second chance
2008-04-02 19:49 < Cream> read WP:AN
2008-04-02 19:49 < Ceiling_Cat> kik = lol shifted left once
2008-04-02 19:49 < gwern> I CAN HAS INNOZENZ>
2008-04-02 19:49 < FastLizard4> Do this if you are running something older than Windows XP
2008-04-02 19:49 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: KEKEKEKE1!
2008-04-02 19:49 < NotACow> Cream: reading wikipedia project pages causes cancer in laboratory humans.
2008-04-02 19:49 < FastLizard4> Press and hold right control and press scroll lock twice
2008-04-02 19:49 < The359> NOOOOOOOOOOOO
2008-04-02 19:49 < The359> ITS A TRAP
2008-04-02 19:49 < NotACow> A TARP! A TARP!
2008-04-02 19:50 < Messedrocker> IT'S A NOTACOW
2008-04-02 19:50 < Cream> shitty memes
2008-04-02 19:50 < Cream> wait
2008-04-02 19:50 * bumm13 kicks FastLizard4 in between his legs
2008-04-02 19:50 < Cream> LOLCOW
2008-04-02 19:50 < FastLizard4> bumm13: But I iz a lizard
2008-04-02 19:50 < Cream> milhouse is not a meme
2008-04-02 19:50 < NotACow> IT'S AN UNTIDY MUSICIAN!
2008-04-02 19:50 < FastLizard4> Heh
2008-04-02 19:50 < The359> PRE-TTY LAME, MILHOUSE
2008-04-02 19:51 < FastLizard4> It took Special:Userlogin 8 seconds less to load on Wikipedia as opposed to the same page on Wikia
2008-04-02 19:51 < Cream> WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
2008-04-02 19:51 < Gently_preborn> WHAT AM I NOW, NOTACOW
2008-04-02 19:51 < gwern> NERDS!
2008-04-02 19:51 < Gracenotes> FastLizard4: the page itself, or the external JavaScript files?
2008-04-02 19:52 < NotACow> that nick makes me think of peeps.
2008-04-02 19:52 < Cream> DESU?
2008-04-02 19:52 < Cream> IT ALWAYS NEEDS MOAR DESU!
2008-04-02 19:52 < FastLizard4> Gracenotes: Everything necessary on the page
2008-04-02 19:52 < NotACow> MUST BURN PEEPS
2008-04-02 19:52 < Gracenotes> FastLizard4: that's a bit too subjective to be helpful :P
2008-04-02 19:52 < FastLizard4> Gracenotes: Everything that normally loads
2008-04-02 19:52 < Gracenotes> like...
2008-04-02 19:53 < Gently_preborn> NotACow, what do peeps have to do with "gently preborn"
2008-04-02 19:53 < The359> SO I HEAR YOU LIKE MUDKIPS
2008-04-02 19:53 < FastLizard4> Gracenotes: The page itself, all images on the page, javascript on the page, etc.
2008-04-02 19:53 < NotACow> Gently_preborn: probably because peeps are made by Just Born
2008-04-02 19:54 < Gracenotes> FastLizard4: *sigh* do you see the page's title render, pause for a few seconds, then display the rest of the content?
2008-04-02 19:54 < Cream> I SO LUUUUUUUUUV MUDKIPS!
2008-04-02 19:54 < FastLizard4> Gracenotes: No
2008-04-02 19:55 < Gracenotes> then what do you see on the page, and when does it change, and when does the whole thing load?
2008-04-02 19:55 < Cream> FastLizard4, THE POOL IS ALWAYS CLOSED
2008-04-02 19:55 < FastLizard4> Cream: eh?
2008-04-02 19:55 < Cream> lolz
2008-04-02 19:55 < FastLizard4> Gracenotes: Just a load and it stops, generally one second after I click the link
2008-04-02 19:56 < gwern> TO-TORO-TO-TO-TO
2008-04-02 19:56 < Gracenotes> Cream: this is a no-stupid-cultural-references zone.
2008-04-02 19:56 < Cream> O RLY?
2008-04-02 19:57 < Gracenotes> I respond affirmatively
2008-04-02 19:58 < Cream> on a serious note
2008-04-02 19:58 < Cream> is there a template to indicate that i have reached 1000 contribs?
2008-04-02 19:59 < Cream> or userbox
2008-04-02 20:00 < Gracenotes> serious note? <.<
2008-04-02 20:00 < Gracenotes> >.> {{User contrib}}
2008-04-02 20:01 < Cream> like
2008-04-02 20:01 < Cream> srsly
2008-04-02 20:23 < Antibuddha> hi
2008-04-02 20:23 < snowolf> hi Antibuddha
2008-04-02 20:23 < Antibuddha> i decided that im going to stop using electricity to fight global warming and i need candles
2008-04-02 20:23 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-04-02 20:23 < Antibuddha> i am very intruged by purelite a company selling to restaurants liquid wax candles
2008-04-02 20:23 < Antibuddha> is this a good substitute for fluorescent lighting?
2008-04-02 20:25 < Antibuddha> wikipedia has failed to provide an article link to "candlelamp"
2008-04-02 20:25 < Antibuddha> does wikipedia presume such a thing does not belong in an encyclopedia?
2008-04-02 20:26 < Ceiling_Cat> candlelamp?
2008-04-02 20:27 < FastLizard4> Antibuddha: Did you try alternative spellings, such as Candle lamp (with a space) and different capitalizations, cush as Candle Lamp?
2008-04-02 20:27 < Antibuddha> yes i need a candlelamp
2008-04-02 20:27 < Antibuddha> let me try
2008-04-02 20:27 < FastLizard4> (Perhaps even a hyphen?)
2008-04-02 20:28 < Antibuddha> no
2008-04-02 20:28 < Antibuddha> this is foolishness
2008-04-02 20:28 < Antibuddha> i need straightforward help in finding an alternative lightsource to my flourescent light bulbs
2008-04-02 20:28 < Antibuddha> if wikipedia cannot provide it then i do not see the point in trying in this area
2008-04-02 20:28 < FastLizard4> Antibuddha: Did you try looking for a section and/or a link in the Candle article?
2008-04-02 20:29 < Cream> LED
2008-04-02 20:29 < FastLizard4> Antibuddha: And if it dissappoints you that much, write an article about it :P
2008-04-02 20:29 < FastLizard4> Then we'll all learn something
2008-04-02 20:30 < Antibuddha> wait i just remembered, candles consume oxygen
2008-04-02 20:30 < Antibuddha> how am i going to combat global warming with candles? inconceivable
2008-04-02 20:30 < Cream> okay
2008-04-02 20:30 < Cream> good night
2008-04-02 20:30 < Cream> <3
2008-04-02 20:30 < Antibuddha> i will read more al gore books and return
2008-04-02 20:30 < Gently_preborn> LoL
2008-04-02 20:30 < FastLizard4> fascinating
2008-04-02 20:30 < FastLizard4> o_O
2008-04-02 20:32 < Gently_preborn> did you know
2008-04-02 20:32 < Gently_preborn> andrew jackson was the only president to wear a cape in his presidential portrait
2008-04-02 20:33 * FastLizard4 would suggest to Antibuddha to try to live without electricity, and without -- the MICROWAVE!
2008-04-02 20:33 < FastLizard4> Gently_preborn: And prey tell where you got this information?
2008-04-02 20:34 < Gently_preborn> hmm
2008-04-02 20:34 < Gently_preborn> i forgot actually
2008-04-02 20:34 < FastLizard4> X-D
2008-04-02 20:34 < FastLizard4> I love my firewall alerts when I update Huggle
2008-04-02 20:35 < FastLizard4> ALERT: Huggle is attempting to access the trusted zone
2008-04-02 20:35 * Ceiling_Cat latches onto FastLizard4
2008-04-02 20:36 * FastLizard4 shoots a phaser at Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-02 20:36 * Ceiling_Cat deposits a xenomorphic facehuggling alien love child in his tummy
2008-04-02 20:36 * Ceiling_Cat unlatches
2008-04-02 20:36 < FastLizard4> :O
2008-04-02 20:37 < FastLizard4> Huggle has an undo button now!
2008-04-02 20:37 < FastLizard4> I likey!
2008-04-02 20:39 * FastLizard4 drops a tsar bomba on Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-02 20:40 < Ceiling_Cat> oh noes! He's in league with the commies!
2008-04-02 20:40 < FastLizard4> You'd better believe it!
2008-04-02 20:41 < Ceiling_Cat> WHO'S YOUR HANDLER??
2008-04-02 20:41 * Ceiling_Cat waterboards FastLizard4 to get information out of him
2008-04-02 20:41 * FastLizard4 dissapears
2008-04-02 20:41 * FastLizard4 drops a neutron bomb on ceil
2008-04-02 20:41 < FastLizard4> err
2008-04-02 20:41 < FastLizard4> * Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-02 20:42 < NotACow> DEATH!
2008-04-02 20:44 * Luna-San slips photos of Ceiling_Cat's questionable methods to the media
2008-04-02 20:45 * Ceiling_Cat watches privatemusings
2008-04-02 20:45 * privatemusings is watched....
2008-04-02 20:45 * privatemusings wants to see luna-sans photos......
2008-04-02 20:45 < Luna-San> I hear they're going live on CNN :o
2008-04-02 20:46 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - she caught me waterboarding FastLizard4 for being a commie spy!
2008-04-02 20:46 < privatemusings> waterboarding huh.....
2008-04-02 20:46 < privatemusings> is that what you kids are calling it nowadays.... ;-)
2008-04-02 20:46 < Luna-San> Oh, somebody in here the other day was saying they'd find NotTheWikipediaWeekly easier to listen to in shorter (but more frequent) segments, I think they were suggesting half as long but twice as often, or maybe short but daily. Told them I'd pass it along to you.
2008-04-02 20:46 < privatemusings> yeah - that's not a bad idea actually.....
2008-04-02 20:47 * Ceiling_Cat does not like that suggestion
2008-04-02 20:47 < Ceiling_Cat> setting aside one hour every 7-14 days is hard... setting aside 30 minutes twice as often will be even harder
2008-04-02 20:47 < privatemusings> oh - i thought Luna san just meant chop it up a bit more....
2008-04-02 20:47 < Luna-San> I'd go either way. Hour-long seems to be fairly standard for most roundtable-style podcasts I subscribe to, and it's not as if you *really* need to listen to the whole thing in one segment, anyway.
2008-04-02 20:48 < Luna-San> I haven't had a chance to listen to it, yet, so probably can't offer much useful feedback, myself. >.>
2008-04-02 20:49 < privatemusings> oh it's great!
2008-04-02 20:49 < privatemusings> full of incisive commentary (and the odd joke...) :-)
2008-04-02 20:50 < Ceiling_Cat> NEEDZ MORE KATZ!
2008-04-02 20:52 < NotACow> MEOW
2008-04-02 20:52 < privatemusings> don't believe her.
2008-04-02 20:52 < privatemusings> she's a cow.
2008-04-02 20:52 < Not_the_NSA> O_O
2008-04-02 20:53 * Not_the_NSA huggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-04-02 20:53 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: Someone has questioned your cat-ness. You will now be put through the Cat Test.
2008-04-02 20:53 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: Meow for the channel
2008-04-02 20:54 * Ceiling_Cat meows lecherously
2008-04-02 20:54 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat is not a cat!
2008-04-02 20:55 < gwern> no cat would meow on command
2008-04-02 20:55 < Not_the_NSA> gwern: exactly
2008-04-02 20:55 < gwern> ecce homo!
2008-04-02 20:55 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: that was a trick question
2008-04-02 20:55 < Not_the_NSA> you're not a cat
2008-04-02 20:55 < Not_the_NSA> I will now strip you of your cat licensed.
2008-04-02 20:55 * Not_the_NSA strips Ceiling_Cat of his cat-ness.
2008-04-02 20:55 * Ceiling_Cat is not an ordinary cat
2008-04-02 20:55 < Gracenotes> lecherous meowing is far too licentious an event for a public channel :|
2008-04-02 20:56 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: In that case you must go to the Special Cat's Board.
2008-04-02 20:56 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: you're no true scotsman, that's for sure
2008-04-02 20:56 < Not_the_NSA> You have an appearance date of ...right now O_o
2008-04-02 20:56 < gwern> better hurry
2008-04-02 20:56 < gwern> they don't like tardiness; delays naptiem
2008-04-02 20:57 * FastLizard4 is done fighting teh vandals
2008-04-02 20:57 < Ceiling_Cat> See [[Category:Famous cats]]
2008-04-02 20:58 * FastLizard4 morphs into a cat
2008-04-02 20:59 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: Thank you for your source. Please submit your 1,000,000 word essay on why you are special.
2008-04-02 20:59 < Not_the_NSA> You have 5 minutes.
2008-04-02 21:00 * Ceiling_Cat is famous because he watches people fap.
2008-04-02 21:00 * Ceiling_Cat is famous because he watches people fap.
2008-04-02 21:00 * Ceiling_Cat is famous because he watches people fap.
2008-04-02 21:00 < Ceiling_Cat> (continue on until 1,000,000 words are reached)
2008-04-02 21:00 < Ceiling_Cat> new episode of south park is starting
2008-04-02 21:00 < Ceiling_Cat> tonight they take their shots at the writer's strike
2008-04-02 21:08 < Antibuddha> ok there is no lightsource that can defeat global warming
2008-04-02 21:08 < Antibuddha> i must devise one of my own
2008-04-02 21:10 < Antibuddha> i must first ask the fine encyclopedias at wikipedia a few questions before i kidnap a few engineers in GE and have them help me save the world with a light source that doesnt contain mercury, consume oxygen, or waste electricity
2008-04-02 21:11 * Gently_preborn thinks
2008-04-02 21:11 < Antibuddha> question 1. do mirrors reflecting sunlight provide adequate photosynthesis of plant life?
2008-04-02 21:12 < Gently_preborn> any bit of sunlight will incite photosynthesis in an organism that supports it
2008-04-02 21:12 < Gently_preborn> the more sunlight, the more photosynthesis
2008-04-02 21:12 < Gently_preborn> though at a point the amount of photosynthesis is constant no matter how much hotter it gets
2008-04-02 21:12 < Antibuddha> question 2. can these mirrors be put in specific locations as satellites of the earth reflecting the sun's light down so that the earth is always illuminated?
2008-04-02 21:13 < Gently_preborn> you will make a lot of enemies if you try to put the earth under constant sunshine
2008-04-02 21:13 < Antibuddha> Gently_preborn: we must defeat global warming
2008-04-02 21:13 < Gently_preborn> with global sunshine?
2008-04-02 21:13 < Antibuddha> and reduce electrical consumption and co2 production and mercury which is found in fluorescents
2008-04-02 21:13 < Gently_preborn> electricity is consumed and carbon dioxide emissions are made regardless of the sun being out or not
2008-04-02 21:13 < gwern> Antibuddha: old idea
2008-04-02 21:14 < Antibuddha> you mean, someone thought about putting mirrors in the sky?
2008-04-02 21:14 < Antibuddha> why did he fail? this plan is infallible as far as i can tell
2008-04-02 21:14 < gwern> Antibuddha: short answer is yes, but there'd be huge transmission losses and if you have that kind of satellite/mirror power, you'd be better off solar sailing around the system or beaming back microwaves for energy
2008-04-02 21:14 < Gently_preborn> how do you keep mirrors suspended in the sky?
2008-04-02 21:15 < gwern> Antibuddha: sure. it's an obvious idea. night and day are consequences of merely being stuck at the bottom of a rotating gravity well
2008-04-02 21:15 < Antibuddha> stop distracting me gwern i must proceed to answer Gently_preborn by reminding him of my question of photosynthesis
2008-04-02 21:16 < Antibuddha> if plants can be developed by monsanto to always photosynthesize, they must produce much more oxygen
2008-04-02 21:16 < gwern> for example, it's been suggested that to solve golbal warming, stick a big fresnel lens at the lagrange point between the eartn and sun
2008-04-02 21:16 < Gently_preborn> Antibuddha, you don't stop global warming by producing oxygen
2008-04-02 21:16 < Antibuddha> why not
2008-04-02 21:16 < gwern> cost a couple dozen billion dollars sure, but if you cut incoming sunlight by a couple percent, that should counteract global warming
2008-04-02 21:16 < Gently_preborn> because a lack of oxygen isn't the problem
2008-04-02 21:16 < Antibuddha> havent you read al gore
2008-04-02 21:16 < Gently_preborn> the high amount of carbon dioxide is
2008-04-02 21:16 < Antibuddha> or are you a philistine pretending to be encyclopedic
2008-04-02 21:16 < Gracenotes> and other greenhouse gases
2008-04-02 21:16 < Gracenotes> notably CFCs
2008-04-02 21:16 < Antibuddha> al gore says you are wrong
2008-04-02 21:17 < gwern> Antibuddha: why did he fail? why has every plan to do something useful in space failed? it's not for lack of incentives, there are trillions upon trillions of dollars of metals in the asteroid belt
2008-04-02 21:17 < Antibuddha> can they be converted into mirrors to reflect sunlight so that the earth is eternally illumined?
2008-04-02 21:18 < Antibuddha> i had a nightmare once where the sun never set, and a river ran the entire vertical length of africa
2008-04-02 21:18 < gwern> Gently_preborn: you keep mirrors in the sky the same way the planets and other satellites somehow keep themselves up there in the sky...
2008-04-02 21:18 < Gracenotes> what would that do? kill all our grops? >.>
2008-04-02 21:19 < Gracenotes> *crops
2008-04-02 21:19 < Antibuddha> but now i know it is not a nightmare, it is the future
2008-04-02 21:19 < Gently_preborn> gwern, they float in space because they have enough inertia to not get sucked in by the sky
2008-04-02 21:19 < Antibuddha> many generations from now there will be eternal sunlight on this planet
2008-04-02 21:19 < Gently_preborn> ellpitical orbits are a compromise between straight-line inertia and getting sucked into the sun
2008-04-02 21:19 < Gently_preborn> sucked in by the sun*
2008-04-02 21:20 < gwern> Gracenotes: I suspect our crops would adapt to this eternal sunshine
2008-04-02 21:20 < capitocapito> Guys, I have a question. I want to link to an old version of a wikipedia page, but not by oldid. I want to link to pages based on date. For example, linking to the page on canada as of April 6th, 2006. Is this possible? I couldn't find a way...
2008-04-02 21:20 < Gently_preborn> capitocapito, basically you'd have to come up with a database that corelates dates with specific wikipedia revisions
2008-04-02 21:20 < Gracenotes> gwern: how? plants adapt to night not only in function, but also structurally
2008-04-02 21:20 < Schrodinger_Cat> gwern: The machinery needed to harvest metals and other minerals from asteroids is prohibitively expensive to launch using current methods.
2008-04-02 21:21 < Schrodinger_Cat> gwern: Also, don't forget that the asteroid belt is hella far away.
2008-04-02 21:21 < Gracenotes> and C4 plants would be entirely wiped out
2008-04-02 21:21 < Antibuddha> gwern: no, all life on earth must be made anew
2008-04-02 21:21 < Antibuddha> no one who has sleep cycles shall be allowed to survive
2008-04-02 21:21 * Gently_preborn wonders how the hell oxygen production would slow down global warming
2008-04-02 21:21 < Ceiling_Cat> lol
2008-04-02 21:21 < Antibuddha> everyone will be genetically modified by the brilliant monsanto scientists
2008-04-02 21:21 < Ceiling_Cat> this episode is pretty good
2008-04-02 21:21 < Antibuddha> no one will exist that does not serve the agenda of fighting global warming
2008-04-02 21:22 < gwern> Gracenotes: yeah, but the selection pressure would be fierce to take advantage of the day being a third longer, so things would adapt quickly
2008-04-02 21:22 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Canada on Strike]]
2008-04-02 21:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Very funny
2008-04-02 21:23 < gwern> Schrodinger_Cat: a matter of patience; you're right that the launch costs of the initial machinery is a big disincentive
2008-04-02 21:23 < Gently_preborn> Ceiling_Cat, does it feature terrance and phillip?
2008-04-02 21:23 < Gracenotes> gwern: in terms of evolution, yes. But we'd still lose quite a few staple crops
2008-04-02 21:23 < Gently_preborn> gwern, what about a one-time launch of a bigass thing into space
2008-04-02 21:23 < Antibuddha> natural selection is flawed
2008-04-02 21:23 < capitocapito> Gently_preborn: Is that seriously the easiest way? I was hoping to make a "time machine" button for firefox that takes users to a page before a set date, and I was hoping implementing a link would be simpler...
2008-04-02 21:23 < Gently_preborn> that creates a whole asteroid belt operation
2008-04-02 21:23 < Schrodinger_Cat> gwern: Also the sheer distance of the thing is daunting. The asteroid belt is almost twice as far away as Mars.
2008-04-02 21:23 < Antibuddha> only through my human intellect have i discovered the path to maximizing photosynthetic potential on a planetary scale
2008-04-02 21:23 < gwern> Gracenotes: and I suspect C4 plants would either change ranges or do respiration periodically
2008-04-02 21:23 < Antibuddha> and only through human intellect shall this new perfect world be made anew
2008-04-02 21:24 < Gently_preborn> capitocapito, that pretty much is the easiest way. revision IDs are issued in the order edits are made, not by date
2008-04-02 21:24 < gwern> if there's no night, there's no real advantage to being C4 unless yourclimate has cool periods
2008-04-02 21:24 < capitocapito> Gently_preborn: Crap... thanks for the help, though!
2008-04-02 21:24 < Schrodinger_Cat> gwern: C4?
2008-04-02 21:24 < gwern> Gently_preborn: sure. and before you spent those billions, how would you develop the robots to autonomously operate that far away?
2008-04-02 21:24 < Gently_preborn> gwern, radio? microwave?
2008-04-02 21:25 < Gently_preborn> the usual way?
2008-04-02 21:25 < Gently_preborn> or how about not relying so damn much on constant communication
2008-04-02 21:25 < Gracenotes> gwern: studies have probably been done on C4s to determine the extent of their adaption... none of which I know of atm :)
2008-04-02 21:25 < Gently_preborn> this thing should be sustainable enough to only require communication every now and then
2008-04-02 21:25 < Antibuddha> and think, just an hour ago i was searching for measly appeasments to the goliath of global climate change by using candles, and now i have discovered how humans will ascend global warming and bring eternal light on all parts of the world
2008-04-02 21:25 < Lucifer_Cat> meow!
2008-04-02 21:25 * Gracenotes nuzzles Lucifer_Cat
2008-04-02 21:26 < Lucifer_Cat> Gracenotes: are you a female?
2008-04-02 21:26 < Schrodinger_Cat> Gently_preborn: Given that the Mars rovers have a hard time navigating relatively flat surfaces on their own, its going to be rather difficult to program robots to handle the extremely jagged surfaces of asteroids in any sort of autonomous fashion.
2008-04-02 21:26 < Gracenotes> no.
2008-04-02 21:26 < gwern> Schrodinger_Cat: a variety potosynthesis specialized for climates with temperature swings and water as a limiting factor
2008-04-02 21:26 < Gently_preborn> Schrodinger_Cat, why can't there be people operating the robots? they will be much closer to the robots
2008-04-02 21:26 < Lucifer_Cat> well then, call me a sexist if you want, but no guys allowed in nuzzleland
2008-04-02 21:26 < Gently_preborn> i was thinking of people on a space station orbiting... mars or something
2008-04-02 21:27 < Antibuddha> im writing my idea to the government now
2008-04-02 21:27 < Lucifer_Cat> Gently_preborn: putting a space station in mars orbit = hard enough
2008-04-02 21:27 < Schrodinger_Cat> Gently_preborn: If we can't even get people to Mars yet, how are we going to get them to the asteroid belt? The belt is twice as far away as Mars, y'know.
2008-04-02 21:27 < Antibuddha> its gonna sell like hot cakes!
2008-04-02 21:27 < Gracenotes> Lucifer_Cat: I'll SCO, just for you!
2008-04-02 21:27 < Gently_preborn> the people would telecommunicate with robots
2008-04-02 21:27 < Lucifer_Cat> plus, getting people to that station = 2years
2008-04-02 21:27 < Cyrius> Schrodinger_Cat: further away, but not in a bigass gravity well
2008-04-02 21:28 < Lucifer_Cat> SCO?
2008-04-02 21:28 < gwern> Gently_preborn: robots are Hard; as Schrodinger_Cat points out, the mars robots are impressively difficult enough in relatively simple conditions. how many decades did it take for roombas to become viable
2008-04-02 21:28 < Antibuddha> infidels, we must rule this planet before we rule outer space
2008-04-02 21:28 < Schrodinger_Cat> Cyrius: Yeah, but we're talking about communications lag, which isn't affected by that.